They Animated Trombone Correctly!?
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2022
- This video brought me back to all the wonderful lessons I had with Andre Hayward at UT Austin :).
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Thank you Pixar at Disney and the Animators behind the movie "Soul". They actually went out of their way to hire Andy Martin to play trombone and animate everything correctly... more or less. Still a couple of very nitpicky discrepancies but I guess we can let it slide... Get it? Especially since I missed a couple of small details myself, but I blame the faulty transciption I was reading because I don't like taking responsiblity for my own actions.
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Andy Martin was the trombone player for the movie Soul. They let him improvise and they precisely matched the animation to his actual movements.
woah that’s so cool that they let him improvise; i wouldn’t expect that from disney since they’re so strict and corporate and stuff.
@@StarSCTEBunToaster Andy Martin has played on over 350 movie soundtracks including the trombone work at the start of monsters inc. He is a session legend as well as a top west coast big band jazz player. Very much the safest pair of hands you could get in that situation.
Hoyt Curtin's Johnny Quest brass section
They did the same with Coco - filmed a professional guitarist playing the songs and then copied the finger movements when animating
@@StarSCTEBunToaster technically Pixar, Disney just owns them
But still, in Encanto they animated almost every single musical instrument correctly, so they can do it too.
of course they got it right, the whole movie made insane progress in the field of animated instruments
Ikr
It all started with Coco.
nice profile picture
@@warri0r624 thanks
@@warri0r624 bro I thought you just complimented yourself then thanked yourself u till I realised u 2 just have the same pfp
My band director would probably be more mad that the kids stopped playing rather than made fun of her lol
My band director would be equally mad
Same. But not for the same reason. She made me play the drums for 45 min straight. No pause, no dropping the beat, no changing the beat, no using anything but base and snare for 45 min. I don't even play drums. She'd yell at me if I even thought of doing anything else but the basic beat. She's propably single handedly responsible to why most of my classmates chose to quit instruments.
@@eclipseifynightsong my band director would have been mad at everyone but would have also started teaching her personally after classes, my band director/music teacher was very much into looking for talented students and helping them hone their craft. my brother and i were among them, i learned violin while my brother learned the acoustic guitar, and she actually scouted us after we went for extra-curricular piano lessons as a club activity after school, we were slow at learning the piano so she had us try other instruments instead. unfortunately she passed away just a year later due to gross malnutrition (caused by an unverified illness).
As a jazz trombonist, this makes me so happy and their spotlight on trombone made me so happy as well. They even got the scoops!
The fact they got the scoops were impressive tbh. Trombone finally getting more recognition in the film industry makes me joyous
no one cares tbh
@@SecreteRed
@@NDTimmy_0to be actually honest, there's at least two comments before you (that you're responding to) showing that they care.
I started band this year and play trombone and I wanna be a jazz trombonist :D
@@NDTimmy_0i care. you must be a fun person to talk to :)
Soul was very precise on musical instruments, I think they did tracking or just copied an actual trombone player
I think they did both I could be totally wrong though
I think they used motion capture for scenes that involved instruments, that or Disney has pretty talented animators.
@@MFS_Is_All_Of_MFS i mean, they did make Beauty and The Beast, so most likely both
Yeah .... They did not do motion capture. Or tracking. I am a 3D animator(don't bother looking at my RUclips channel everything is private). Pixar doesn't do motion capture. What they do is referencing someone from multiple angles. If you are a animator with previous experience with an instrument the better, but if not you still study the movements you put the keyframes copping the timing of the reference, then you look at the arches you can exagerate, then add anticipations, the correct ease in, ease outs and that's it. You adjust the curves for the automatic in-betweening that Maya makes. Its a really well though and manual and suttle exaggeration of real life, motion capture can't do that
@@angelharris3727 O
Not just the trombone, but actually all instruments are correctly animated. The first time I watched the movie, I got so glad to see the drums animation matching the song.
they filmed the musicians while they were recording so they could get it right, my dad knows the double bassist from soul
@@fnibbit ok.
@@fnibbit that’s pretty dope!
Bro no need to lie. Its inhuman to visibly match noises in an amimated movie on your first viewing.
@@4guysinatub286 They did mostly point out the drums. For all you know, they know how to play the drums. When someone practices an instrument for that long, they can look at others play and instantly pick it up even if they've never done the song before. Who knows, maybe you are right.
it makes me so happy she loves what shes doing and it makes me so sad that she keeps being discouraged by others
As a trombone player, ditto
Of course it’s animated correctly. Pixar doesn’t mess around even in Coco when Miguel plays the guitar he’s playing the correct notes. Also in Ratatouille when Colette is showing Linguine how to properly cook, that is the proper way of how chefs work in the kitchen. Heck that scene is even shown in culinary schools
Me wondering if the stick he is pushing goes into his MOUTH??
Doesnt
@@alex.k6710what??? no why would you think that lol, it’s an attachment kinda
@@FunniEmi uh like a folding TV stick mechanism?
@@alex.k6710 ??? you’re comparing a tv to a trombone
Fun fact: For the Disney theme intro, Pixar had an actual high school band perform it. It was so perfect, they had to re-record it, but make it purposefully bad.
High school bands are underrated.
they should’ve asked a middle school lol
@@alex_exists My husband was in our high school marching band. Seriously talented groups of kids that really aren't given enough credit
@@minakiel2930 I was in middle school orchestra (first year) and our concerts were surprisingly good, granted, we were playing some fairly easy pieces, but it was really cool to see that we actually cared enough to make it good.
@@MarsheIIo That was my experience as well but it seems like it’s not the norm. We played in many competitions but were the only school in our category because of the difficult repertoire. The other schools would’ve done a great job at playing badly 💀
Soul is one of the most detailed films in the Pixar era, it's obvious that they were gonna animated it right
Yeah, super sad that it didn't get nearly as much attention as other Disney movies like Luca, Encanto, Turning Red, etc. Soul is my favorite.
@@tatteryt Yeah, it had more _Soul_ put to it.
@@goldfish425 NO SHUT UP YOU MADE ME LAUGH
@@goldfish425 👏🏼👏🏼😭😂
@@tatteryt It got a ton of awards, actually. I think it got a lot of attention
I love that not only can you tell the crew/animators cared about their work and put in the effort to actually animate all the music scenes correctly, but they’re also being shown appreciation for actually doing it properly
I feel like animators don’t get enough credit so this just makes me really happy to see
Anyone else get uncanny vibes to how oddly realistic this movie is?
FORRRREALL it’s actually so relatable I cried
My guess is that they wrote a script that moves the slide within relation of what ever note is being played and then they cleaned up the animation. So much more efficient than actually animating the slide by hand.
surprises me that the kids laughed at her for playing her instrument better than all of them lmao
EDIT: I get it, kids are cruel
if someone did that to my middle school band back in the day, they would be the most popular person in the band. Which isn't that popular overall, but still
She slayed
Trust me it happens lol, a girl who was in the same section as me got laughed at because she played the entire thing flawlessly. (They called her a music obsessed b*tch)
@@cupio-stardust what the fuck
@@cupio-stardustyikes! they sound envious af
Just in terms of the actual film. I love the fact that she stands up when she gets lost in her music. She could easily just sit there and play the sheet music, but once she loses herself she stands up to make use of her diaphragm subconsciously. Just a subtle use of physicality to indicate emotion.
Man do I love Pixar.
theya ren t
yess! i totaly get that
fard is a substance that is made of poop the poop is brown and mushy which is converted to air buy our butt and we toilet it in toilet.Fard is exothermic subtance and is very hot and smelly
Yeah in a way I do that too when I'm singing. Such a beautiful feeling. Nice to see it in a movie like that 🥰
At least when they actually try. For every Soul, we get a Toy Story 4 Incredibles 2, Lightyear and the good dinasour and onward, was it? I know those crappy cheap messes pay for the good ones, but seriously, what was the last good Pixar movie before Soul, Coco? And we haven't gotten any good one after Soul. At this point they have as many crappy ones as hits.
This video is amazing! And I also loved the description. I'm going to use "I don't like taking responsibility for my own actions" for everything right now, for real
During Covid, my band class did a full complete analysis on the music and soundtrack of this movie, along with other movies, music, and video games. Just absolutely beautiful, it always amazes me when animators take the time to carefully craft the experience of their art to create an almost mirror image of life, but it is so beautiful on the screen it makes me so happy
Damn you’re in school band? My condolences
Fun fact: when animating the piano keys, they had to create an entirely new computing system to calculate the weight of the piano players fingers in order to get the right sound. This along with a new hand tacking software to make it as accurate as possible.
Computing system as in a program or did they seriously create a whole new OS??
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa I’m not a huge computer head so I’m not sure, this info is from a behind the scenes I watched I’m an animation class I believe. Pixar and Disney often create their own animation software and mechanics to handle bigger tasks, but the nerds there are the best in the game and no doubt have the intelligence to do either.
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa As a software developer, when we refer to a computing "system", we are referring to a suite of related software, not necessarily an Operating System (like Windows).
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa it is called an algorithm. as in, they created a new algorithm to calculate movement.
Is this any good if the story is not that great? Other than a few minority of people, no one would have cared about the piano weight and all but everyone cares about the story and other stuffs..not saying its not appreciable but disney movies are strictly for kids other than a few..
It’s Pixar! Of course it’s accurate with there amazing animation
Most Pixar animated instruments are inaccurate… watch any of them playing piano
@@dandogamez yeah, but not in Soul
@@gerrard1144 yeah Soul was definitely an exception
@@dandogamez almost like the entire movie is based on a piano and finding soul in music
@@HomeTVPS5 Then there's Sing by Illumination. *Sigh*
I feel so happy knowing at least one movie got the trombone right as a trombone player
We've all had this moment once in our life OR will have it. That one moment where after years and years of practice and mastering our instrument, you take control and lose yourself in that moment and just sail with the notes. This movie emphasized it so well
Not a musician
The most occurring problem I’ve seen with animated brass instruments is the musician basically swallowing the mouthpiece
That's only for reed instruments and even then, they don't put the entire mouthpiece in their mouths.
@@theresachacon1122 unless your one of *those* kids as a Bb Clarinet player, this is very true
With Brass, they tend to forget that the mouthpiece is on your lips-
And with Woodwind, they just inhale the mouthpiece, when the closest you ever come to doing so is when playing high notes, of which you have to bite down farther in the reed, but even then half way is the absolute max
Pixar did so good with soul it’s amazing
@@berries.0f.blu3 my brother used to put half of the mouthpiece of his flute inside his mouth
@DOLLHAUS 🎗 it was a recorder flute, so the one you blow directly into:'). In his defense, he was a beginner but still lmao right
@@plobclop I- you- huh-? With a flute your mouth doesn’t even touch the mouthpiece 💀
I think your brother was on something-
Edit: my dumb brain didn’t see the other comment saying it was a recorder flute, I just thought of my immediate knowledge on flutes seeing as I’ve tried to play it multiple times :))
Edit 2: apparently I forgot how to spell (this is a 3rd place spelling bee winner… how tf did I get third-?)
It doesn’t surprise me that Disney is so true to detail like this. Coco’s guitar playing was accurate even to the vibration frequency of the strings. In Soul they actually mapped out the movement of the tendons in John Baptiste’s (the musician who did most of the music in Soul) hands as he played piano so they could make sure it looked right animated onscreen. For all its faults, Disney sure puts in the work for the important details in a story.
no they dint
I think it’s really important to note that although Pixar is part of Disney, this is Pixar’s stellar work, not Disney’s.
john baptiste??? thats crazy my section leader has a flute made by him/his company
I believe Pixar has almost always been the pioneer of 3D animation from a technical perspective. Though maybe they have fallen behind in originally of ideas or complexity of the story (To me, Elemental feels like the romantic plotline that was scapped from Zootopia), but Pixar walks out with new technology so other can jog.
Disney couldn't choreograph a fight to save their stocks in the market.
Pixar puts a lot of research and effort into making things like this accurate. It's this kind of attention to detail that makes Pixar even more awesome.
I'm a musician myself and seeing her play her instrument with such passion and joy was a feeling I know too well and when she said she wanted to quit it made me so mad cause talent ane passion like that shouldn't ever be ignored, the way she stands up and closes her eyes every time she plays is amazing to watch
The only animation studio to care enough about their art to correctly animate instruments. They also got the guitars in Coco correct.
Edit: WOW I made some people mad with my comment. I'm not gonna debate something over a comments section, but I will say that my point was about the studio as a whole, not the individual animators. If given the time and encouragment by the execs, I'm sure animators in more studios would have the same attention to detail.
@@inaseparatesky yes the music is amazing and the show is generally a good drama but its also sometimes slow and a bit boring but then… BAM AMAZING SOLO
what abt studio ghibli
@@PilotCharlesCalvin I'm not actually sure how accurate their instruments are, but I can't really think of too many examples of someone playing an instrument in a ghibli movie. To be fair I haven't seen one in years.
Idk what studio it was but kids on the slope is the best animation of instruments ive seen
I mean this movie was about music so no shit lmao
Had to reupload due to some technical issues. Also I’m not sure why RUclips is automatically disabling my comments again :(. UPDATE: It's because RUclips thinks this video is endangering children? I guess the other videos similar to mine with thousands of views aren't endangering children?
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Oof sorry about that, I hope you get real big some day so you don't have to deal with these kinds of stupid issues.
There are some trombone players who might agree that trombone can be hazardous to one's health.
well youtube is prettty darn low iq (read:stoo-pit) with censoring. they don't process report quickly and kept on disabling comments on a whim. there are videos where youtube just decided "you know what ? I'm gonna take away all the audio in the video", and the audio wasn't even copyrighted music or anytthing, all pure original from creators.
i just love soul so much, they actually cared enough to match the sound and instruments 😣
it's amazing how precise the movie is
each note matches perfectly
Pixar has always stated that they will never use motion capture. I don’t know if they’ve stayed true to this sentiment, but as far as I know they use reference video, photo, or animation to help with the animation, but never directly use motion capture. That’s what makes this so inspiring and incredible!
The reason for this is that the last time they used motion capture, the Academy denied the film from being nominated for Best Animated Picture (although I don't remember which film it was.)
@@ctyoung0271 they never used it, if i remember happy feet used mocap and won over ratatouliie which didnt have mocap and was just a better movie overall.
That makes sense, for an animated movie, you kind of want some elements of cartoon movement, and animators can convey body language in ways than real people have a hard time replicating (and vice versa).
@@bigtonybruiser RATATATOULIIE LOST TO FCKING HAPPY FEET!? OMG THE LACK OF RESPECT
@@antoniomv9444 It won against cars. Ratatouille won the year after.
I mean, it's Pixar what did you expect? That's what they do, I bet cooks feel the same way about Ratatouille
Chefs? Lol
@@Auto718fan No cookers
@@Auto718fan sorry dude, english is not my first language, idk if it's right to say cookers or not
@@AAAGamesMaster
The correct term is chef. A chef is a person that makes food.
@@AAAGamesMaster A cooker is another word for a stove
As someone in high school band with an older brother who’s a drumline director there as well, this movie’s animation just makes so damn happy
got damn that's amazing!! I loved the way they animated the piano scenes. absolutely mind blowing.
Every movie production team that includes a trombone in a movie should now be told "'Soul' got it right. Please stop with holding it wrong and showing the instrument as no real player would ever play the instrument."
i was always embarrassed of playing trombone it’s always felt like a "masculine" instrument and i never saw any female play it in my ensemble but this movie made me feel a little comfortable with playing it
masculine probably wasn’t the best word to use, but i couldn’t think of anything else.. ive always seen trombones be associated with guys
That's good! The trombone is a beautiful instrument.
I was the only tenor sax in band until I taught my friend to play it so she switched from clarinet. No instrument is masculine or feminine. True, most of our brass were boys but many of them were friends before band who wanted to hang out.
The most notable trombone we had in middle school became a drummer in high school and was even better (he switched because of his friends being in percussion.) I think of him almost every time I see a trombone though. He only had a finger (technically two fused on one side) and a thumb on each hand and knowing he could play an instrument or two at such a young age for me really showed me how inclusive music can really be.
It also cemented the reality of if someone really wants to accomplish something, nothing will stand in the way as long as the person themselves believes they can. Don't give up your instrument because you are worried about what it implies. Love the experience and if another instrument catches your eye, feel free to try it. I took piano lessons in elementary before I played tenor and when I stopped the latter, it was because I had no soul; I am a technical player, which doesn't work well with jazz.
When I was in band class the trombone player was a girl lol. The only other person I've seen play trombone in person was my friend will, and he had that perfect pitch thing that let him play and tune every instrument.
It’s because males have larger lungs than females, but my brother’s old marching band had a few girls doing the wind instruments too.
that stairway scene hits home for many jazz musicians constantly in the shed. brought a tear to my eye.
I love Soul and I hope they make a sequel
Finally, justice to the trombone!!! Honestly one of the most underrated instruments in brass.
What about euphonium?
Baritone/euphonium is the only underrated brass instrument
@@tren7730 yeah almost nobody knows about them 😔
trombone is literally overrated in brass but ok lol
@@ptyw. lol I don't know what your on cuz there are 3 trombones in our low brass section and I'm one of them-
I feel like soul is one of those situations where it is almost mandatory that a small detail like this is done correctly
I love that an animated film is much more accurate depicting musical instruments than live action…
She stands up when she gets lost in the music. Such an amazing detail :D
This makes me super happy. Much respect to pixar!!
Pete Docter was very particular about getting Soul's musical scenes accurately, so they actually tracked jazz musicians and used it to animate the characters, and Jon Batiste, who wrote original compositions on the piano, actually played full sessions for their reference. It's remarkable the amount of effort they put into it really.
Brilliant. Good work to the animation team.
He's so good doing the trumpet! Keep up the great work!!
In animation we don't animate based on nothing, we always use reference. In a film environment like this for anything technically complicated we get people in and film high quality reference. For speaking / moving we usually film ourselves and use this as reference.
I like how people seem “surprised” when instruments in general are animated correctly. Like for this film, it’s like, the only thing that the animators have to get right lol
Detail wise I mean
Well, it's just that many people who happen to be executives or directors didn't care about these details, so there you go
Because a more often than not , the animation doesn't actually match what is being played...
"the only thing the animators need to get right" I know you aren't a 3d guy but what the film does ain't easy by any means, they have to articulate the rig down to each finger joint 30 times per second of animation
U don't know what you're talking about lol
making it sound easier than it is
I really love the detail of the trombone case. I know it’s simple, and sounds kinda silly, but its like the same case that I used to see everywhere in my middle school band hall and its super nostalgic for me
i love that we are living this far into animation as a medium to see musical instruments being animated correctly. bless.
The girl who voiced Connie goes to my middle school!! She’s actually super nice and was ‘discovered’ at a school play.
Kids (under 20) nowadays playing Trombone or Trumpet have my full respect!!!!! What an incredible instrument to choose! Such sass, power and voice! - hope to see more!❤
They be the most annoying kids tho💀
Thank You!!! I am a 16-year-old who plays trombone, mallets, and piano by the way!
Why thanks! Currently a 14 year old trumpet player
Learning to play trumpet, thanks!
13 year old trumpeter here! Thanks for the respect, it comes to you as well!
Man this made me remember about trombone-drum vs violin animation fighting over a coin.
I knew why something just felt right when I saw the instruments being played throughout the movie! There's so much attention to detail
my dad knows the guy who played double bass for souls and they filmed him as well during recording so they could copy his movements exactly. that's what they did for all the instruments
Fun fact: they actually had several musicians of different variety play and be recorded on video so the animators could make 3D renders for it
The absolute beauty of rotoscoping
Pixar was always really good about making sure the sounds, visuals & movements of everything they did were accurate to an incredible depth- the sound of an instrument being no exception. Of course this is so spot on. ❤
Disney has been proud to show of their new instrument tracking and water tech lately, and both are looking beautiful!..
Pixar
This video got me teary eyed and idky. I’m clapping right now. It’s all beautiful!
I love the detail of how they animated the instrument, I own one and it is so cool see here put the main part of it on the tightening it!
Every band i have been in, everyone loves the trombonist, and they are typically pretty high on the social ladder.
I am glad they did all the instruments accurate. They love music.
They got the piano playing perfect too! For a piano player it's nice to see it's not just some random hand and finger movements!
I used to play in my school band. Started in 6th grade. Left after sophomore year. Now that I'm a senior, thinking of bigger and better things, I realise I would give anything just to play with that group again. Trombone was never my favourite to listen to but I'm so glad I picked it up. I never knew they were the best years I could ever have.
So nice to see some actually good animation to match the music on my instrument
That’s the crazy thing with soul, everything, even during Joe Gardner’s “zone” improvisation, was animated perfectly down to the frame.
As a former trombone player (not professional just for school), I’m glad that they were accurate with how fast the characters arm was moving since you would realistically have to do that to quickly change notes, especially when going from B/F to E, D, or C
I was a first chair trombone, and seeing this just fills me with so much joy! Makes me miss those days.
As a fellow trombonist (in the making), I’m pleased to finally see that an animation studio FINALLY animated a trombone correctly and it wasn’t just slide between first and seventh positions 😂
A movie about music can’t be wrong about how instruments work
*I saw a behind the scenes clips about Soul. No tracking was used. They just studied musicians very carefully, in order to animate the characters. 🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️*
It’s so cool to see a Disney movie have real slide movements for a scene. Usually, they would just put what ever sounds right then have people expose them for trying to play The Entertainer but instead spamming the keys on the piano.
Wow this makes me wanna bust out my old trombone again! I haven't played that thing in years but I used to love just playing around to see what sounded cool
Pixar animators spent weeks filming at Berkeley college to get all fingerings and slide positions accurate
They animated the trombone correctly but you are not supposed to puff your cheeks.
Tbf, the character is like 12 years old. It could have been intended to show that while she's good, she's still learning and her technique still needs work.
@@BambiTrout yeah that's true bro
Pixar puts so much into there film to be perfect and feel real there’s so much that they did like for inside out , cars, the red family that I forgot the name of etc
I can’t beleive you can just mimic it like that! Cool man
What she’s doing wrong is puffing her face (unless her face is just like that)
I know. I play trombone for the school band and one of the other trombonists always slouches, bends over, and puffs their cheeks to play which ends up making it sound horrible, quiet, and unintellegable.
exaggerated for the cartoon effect maybe
The hardest part of playing the trombone is not the articulation… *it’s reaching to the 7th position on the slide perfectly*
Brings me back to when I played trombone years ago
I am glad that they finally animated whatever instruments in this movie :)
Pixar has always been obsessed with getting little details right. I remember holly hunter spent 3 months learning military pilot lingo so she could use accurate terminology during the plane crash/SOS scene
i loved the music-centered parts of this movie, and really all of the segments in real life. the animation, emotions and storytelling were just on point! but the soul world bored me so much :(
Yeah the "real life" world is more interesting than the soul world
The video description is just pure *Gold*
As a beginner trombonist, I am glad that the animators took the time to see how to put together a trombone, what the case looks like (on the outside) and how you play it.
On faster passages the animation lags behind, but ti still gets there. Better than 99% of musical animation.
That's what sets apart Pixar from illumination (besides Pixar having actually great stories with an animation quality that improves on itself): they do care enough about what they are telling to actually do their research.
The reflections on the saxophones blew my mind.
I love that they paid that kind of attention to details...
I guess you could say this movie has a lot of SOUL put into it.
Trombones are the one instrument I would expect animators to get right
He looks so happy at the end :3
Yes. The animation and the movements match perfectly. Thank you very much for sharing. Guess who is going to watch this movie within some minutes. 🤟🏼😁
I play Trombone myself and the fact they got the sound and movement right is amazing, PLUS THEY EVEN HAD HER ASSEMBLE IT CORRECTLY!
I swear the 2nd one beginning sounds like the burning memory song
Omg they finally did it righttt
This is my favorite music movie
great movie. those two scenes brought me back to wanting to play tbone again. just nice!!
I know it’s not the same movie, but in the Bonus videos of Coco, they showed how they animated the guitar playing scenes by copying the musicians!
It’s a technique called rotoscoping. When done right, it can make musical scenes look incredible. There’s this anime called Kids on the Slope that does rotoscoping, and the animation on the instruments is fantastic.
@@Caddynars i didn’t know that! Thanks for the info.
The amount of work people put in from animation to editing, sound department
Is LAUDABLE
The animators for soul took great care to make sure that the instruments were as accurate as possible. It’s part of why the movie is so brilliant.
This is so nice to see in a movie, I’m a trombone player and I almost never see instruments animated correctly