Sometimes things slip the patch notes in other games, but this kinda feels too specific to just be missed or overlooked by whoever was writing the pat notes.
Obviously, it would make them look bad announcing all their exploits, and ppl would complain they didn't had the chance to use the exploit while other had. Still the DR was way to exploitive might aswell just cheat/ God mode. Had one of those guys in my lobby he was tanky af but dealt less damage than my far underlevelt mate.
@@chuckfinnley4397 Godmode you would likely tank and deal crazy dmg, the tank builds are just that... tanks! Not meant for dps just to survive lol! I hear ya though!
@@NottheWinnerGamingyeah really unfortunate. The Idea of me giving my teammates buffs, shield, and reviving is so much more rewarding than just shredding a boss. This sucks.
I made it up to root earth post patch, lots of bosses one shot you with the stupidest attacks now, but most of the apoc is still viable with this build, until we get something better or they fix whatever is fudged with DR atm
The reason they nerfed nightfall is because of the 500 build videos on RUclips for this game 40 of them try to make you live longer, and 460 of them are HUGS with Nightfall. Nightfall was a GREAT gun. It was meta as hell. Are there other good guns? Absolutely. Were there better guns? Maybe? I haven't scienced enough to know the answer to that. But just off of pure visibility alone Nightfall was dominating the meta. I personally disagree strongly with nerfing stuff in a single player game. And this game (in my humble opinion) has stuff it needed to iron out way before they got to balance changes. 25% enemy damage done per additional player down to 15% is a useless change that doesn't fix the core issue with damage scaling in multiplayer. But let's not address that and nerf 2 guns because they're in everybody's videos. Edit: alsot at 4:58 you have 3 stacks of curse with grey health setup.
Many better guns than nightfall, it was just nice for the no recoil lol! I get the reason for the nerf but I just didnt think that one needed it as much as enigma lol!
@@NottheWinnerGaming It was not for the lack of recoil. It had the best longterm dps as well as best burst dps in the game. Infinite ammo with good weakspot.
@@NottheWinnerGaming The engima nerf also was kinda called for cause it was a little dumb to run anything else for insane add clear. Personally I like nerfs to guns just not ones that kill weapons. The first game was way too darn easy so I can see them balancing top meta.
At 4:56 you had 3 stacks but said multiple times you couldn't get more than 2 with the grey health. You said it both in that moment and later after claiming you reviewed the first video. There may be something going on with the grey health causing you to not gain curse as fast but you def can go above 2 stacks.
Yeah grey health, but also I tried this today with a totally different build and I seemed to stay around 2 stacks max, killed them too quick in the test though lol so cant be sure!
New Tank setup 186 Health / 18 Reg/s / 80% Total DR / 200+ Res Primary class Alchemist for 4 Buffs - Mudtooth's Tonic - Root Water - (New Change) Sanguine Vapor but need 10% more Total DR - Strong Drink (if need weight loss) - Dark Cider you can stack more items for over 200 resistances like e.g. Mud Rub if you die you lose the resistance Secondary Medic/Engineer Gear: Full Leto Mark I or II whichever preferred here (weight,style) both have 80% Total DR. Amulet: -Nimue's Ribbon / Red Doe Sigil Ring : - Ring of Crisis (like before) - Reserve Boosting Gem - Ring of Grace - Encrypted Ring Relics : - Tranquil Heart with (15% Health / 20% Healing Effectiveness / 5% Damage Reduction) - Resonating Heart switch for more active heal 15 Health /s for 20 sec only the Heart he's not quite as strong as the build before, but he's still playable, have fun with it I'm out
Misty step shield/life regen tank still working fine. Wasnt unkillable before patch but still takes very little damage so long as you maintain your shield
Yeah restriction is useless, so is hardened coil and amber moon stone. Even shield at 25% hp becomes way weaker now as you can just get bodied. The Regen also felt slower too which means they just forced everyone to focus on pure dps builds for now unless there is something else special we are missing!
Yeah but they should've been clearer about the calculation. Does this affect bloodbond as well on top of dr? Making it a total of 80+10absorb to summon?
@@MyrtDFY the 10% absorb to summon I would assume takes the total dmg after dr then transfers 10% of the remaining amount, so it would not be capped in this change (in theory)!
I don’t have this build complete but pre and post patch I was fighting the abomination in putrid pits. Pre-patch I was trading blows fine. Post patch his 1-2-3-4 melee attack killed me. So it feels like dr got nerfed or bugged. Somethings changed.
Discovered a new tank build that works really well, even in apocalypse! Its about stacking max hp and armor. Comment if you want me to give details on gear.
Wow. I really struggled to complete apocalypse difficulty even with a tanky build, given how many attacks are one shots, only to get screwed and not get any of the completion rewards. Now, with being as tanky as possible I can barely survive against trash mobs, and forget about running a melee build on APOC. I get that APOC should feel hard, I know that's the point, but I feel as squishy as a light build, and really doubt I can complete APOC with this patch.
Yea i never understood the Nightfall nerf... I liked the gun but it could never out dps my wifowmaker build... So that seriously made no sense to me when they did that... Then they stealth nerfed dr which at first i didnt mind... But now while im always last standing on apocalypse.... As a tank my dps sucks and i cant outheal venom or annihilation anymore... Its weird as hell coming back to the game but im still loving it... Just feels wrong somehow
Could you try (not sure what builds you make) but if you could try one for healing that would be great cause I like the medic part and the relic that does aoe healing when you heal Pulsing Heart but not sure if its good or it just seemed good when I first used it. Also do look forward to more tanky stuff too just wanted to try a support one for when my friends play if not i'll prob just figure things out some point later on.
I will be working on a dps build tonight, but I can do a healer build! Honestly just need ring of the divine while running max regen stuff and run full party! If you each run builds like that with ring of the divine then you get crazy hp per second from each other!
@@NottheWinnerGaming ok well when my friends play they wont know anything about the game really and I dont want to show them anything unless they ask since I have been farming so many secrets :P still trying to get that damn heart you have but I had to reset my campaign after 5 hours because I got the wrong lom world for it (also did get 2 secret weapons though which is prob why it took so long lol)
They also patched out most tanky builds in general making many rings and armor combos near useless! Not a huge deal, Remnant 1 Broke builds all the time! Just time to build something newer and better!
Question about the patch, has anyone tested to see if they patched out that ring with the amethyst that increases mod generation by elemental damage that let you generate mod uses while the mod was active?
With 75 you only get heavy roll and not a flop! You can no longer just tank everything since that patch but heavy roll lets you dodge! Or you can wear a ring for the lightest dodge and chill at 90 encumberance!
dunno if it was mentioned but i believe being cursed reduces your maximum health so when you had 5 curses and were at 40% life/bar that is your maximum hp pool all it does is reduce overall health even though the bar isn't fall hence why you've only taken a smidge of damage but have 3 hardended coil stacks
Luckily me and a friend finished apoc right before the update went live using tanky setup with gamer pride ring. Take turns taking hit and regen/lifesteal up. It was hilarious to see 😂
I’m guessing those 3 bosses deal curse damage every swing and having your resistance to +70 made you tanky as hell vs them. I’m assuming the first fight vs them you didn’t bug the resistance hence why you took way more damage compared to when you fought them the 2nd time but with 70+ curse resistance.
Yes 100% it may barely save you once if you are very lucky but 99/100 times your dead immediately! They decimated 99.9% of tank builds for the moment, but i have a new shock build up that works well!
Thanks for the update. I noticed that im taking more damage as well with this setup. So all in all, do we change our elixer setup to run grey health conversation? or Just wait for the new setup?
I tried with grey health and died easier with that for some reason, so I might avoid grey health completely for now. 80% DR shield builds might be back in, or high lifesteal with 80% DR.... otherwise go low dr and insane damage... I will see what I can make though!
Ahh I made a video on the build i was using in this video. The High Hp High DR build! Basically Hp, Hp Regen, Armor. 4th doesnt matter but the grey hp one seemed to get me killed faster!
Hey! I know DR build is nerfed to the ground, but I recently watched another video of yours, and I changed it a little bit. It is working for me in apocalypse. It is the misty engineer... Basically it is engineer/challenger, heavy armor to take a little bit of dmg here and there, amulet: necklace of flowing life, Rings: dread font, ring of crisis, ring of omens, generating band, heart: tranquil heart (is my way to go, you can use whatever you want) Traits: Regrowth 10, Triage 10, Vigor 10, expertise 10, Siphoner 10, barkskin 10, Fitness 8 Weapon merciless + twisting wound Insane build. I already tested it with a bunch of bosses. If I knew I couldn't dodge some attacks I just take the hit and start dodging like crazy, the health will be up so quickly (keep in mind I dont use any potions to get more life steal or dmg or resistance)
Why merciless and not nightfall? Well... I just want to say... when you don't have enough ammo for your turret, you already used the infinite ammo, and you have a dumbass friend. You want to use your hearts reviving him than using it for yourself. I'll say seeing a boss die because of the bleeding while he is chasing you and you are reviving your friend, and the boss dies in front of you feels soo great. That's the only reason I use merciless, I know the build will be much better using potions, but even on remnant one, I refused to include potions in builds. Hopefully, you guys enjoy it ❤️. I also enjoy the anti-stagger that the challenger gives, I use this all the time to keep my buddy alive.
If it was just to stop invincible build then that would apply to a very specific build not all DR in general... It should be laid out with far more information than that if it covers all tanky builds not just invincible... It should also mention DR
I think the patch also said that DR is changed to not go past 80% anymore. So im thinking just stacking a bunch of DR is pointless. You probably get the choice of wearing heavy armor and put on a bunch of damage jewelry or wearing lighter armor and wearing a couple DR rings. As long as tanks can still take a few hits, its fine. You should never feel invincible anyways.
ngl folks whilst this is unfortunate for you, it's not like you're not plenty tanky. Just dodge some and throw in some lifesteal you should be good As other comments indicate, this was granting like 99% DR not capping as intended
AY don't get so salty! you're playing on the hardest difficulty and surviving what would typically be one shots for more agile / dps focused play! got forbid you now need to roll one or twice! that build still looks like its a unit and can take all the punishment for missplay....
I honestly dont mind the change at all, I just wish it was included fully in the patch notes. Patch notes help us figure out changes and test new things accordingly! I have plenty of builds I am cooking up :)
They seem to be forcing a glass cannon meta fair enough i dont want to be invincible but i want to be able to tank more than 4 hits. Also boss fights with a tank build take forever to do any sort of real damage.
Hear, hear, well said. Looking forward to your brilliant solution to this sneaky conundrum the devs have slipped into the game. Surely they're not that stupid that they'd think nobody would notice. Perhaps it was an unforeseen consequence that they missed; if so, I hope they rectify it asap. Cheers, Harry.
Yeah lets hope for the best, that they fix it so tanks are viable. If not we gotta crush the bosses before they even see us :P! Thanks for watching as always Harry!
No one snuck anything into the game. We don't do that at Gunfire Games. We mentioned in the notes that we fixed an issue with Fortify. Any other issue with DR would be unrelated as no other changes were intentionally made. What we ARE finding, however, is that people that used the invuln DR builds (which did use Fortify), are actually taking damage now, which, on Apocalypse, can be a lot of damage. We are doing some internal tests to make sure that's the only issue. Again, we don't intentionally sneak anything into the build. We tell players up front what we are doing. If something misses the patch notes, it's unintentional. We also forgot to put in 2 fixes as well (Hardcore Scripted Deaths no longer count as true deaths, and the Engineer Weapon Swap bug).
@@bencureton Thanks for the heads up. My apologies, I did not mean to offend you. It's hard not to be jaded as many of your competitors are without honour or integrity - Profits B4 People, seems to be the policy of many gaming companies. Love Remnant from the Ashes and love this game too.
@@harrysynnott2379 Not a problem, my friend! We are getting to the bottom of the DR issue. It looks like it is working as intended but is not representing the proper info. I'll have an update soon as we do more tests!
I really hope they leave lifesteal, health regen builds alone, ive been running a Challenger/Gunslinger with lifesteal and health regen and having a blast, not unkillable but it feels like it at certain points.. I tried to do a DR build today but it doesnt feel as good as it did like a few days ago.. Hoping regen and lifesteal stays untouched.. That nightfall nerf was unnecessary, the weapon wasnt even that strong, its mod is the only reason it was being used so much.. For 10 sec u became a dps machine but once that was over, its just a semi fire long gun that does less dmg than the other single fire guns.. Merciless i guess might be the next to get nerf by this logic
@NottheWinnerGaming It's an awesome build, so far nightmare isn't too bad.. Misty step with this build is just *chefs kiss 💋 lol... U have so much health regen and the free rez from challenger and then all that extra dmg from challenger and gunslinger.. It feels good and I hope we can somehow bring DR builds back but balanced I guess with the other builds available.. the zero dmg build is what caused these DR builds to take a hit and I feel bad for some of ya.. Hope u have a great day and thx for replying and stuff man, got a sub off me
I dont understand why they cant balance DR in remnant games. Theres no point in wearing armor at all in a 3 man game on apoc. Now even if you fuily commit amulets/rings to DR and no increased damage you get one shoted anyways.
@@NottheWinnerGaming Little off topic but i also dont understand why being on Flop weight does not give you a -1 to stagger. Now not only will you die on apoc but you get stunlocked and unable to melee because 2-3 Losmn peasant Drans hit your 300 pounds armor with a machete.
It's not a hidden nerf and it is in the patch notes. DR now functions as it should and caps out at 80%, instead of going to 99.9% like before Edit; nevermind, your comment about NF+DW not being overtuned showed the level of ignorance. HUGS NFDW had the single highesr DPS in the game You were only surviving the damage you were in in your previous videos because you had 90%+ DR. Just spreading false information at this point.
Never used Hex Ward but it's supposed to prevent curse, maybe sacrifice a slot to keep the benefits of everything else? I try it out later once I get back home Thanks for the update, I have not seen anyone talking about it yet o7
Yeah preventing the curse would make you likely able to facetank this! Most other fights it wouldnt be enough though, so I will work on something to just melt the bosses!
Unfortunately DR is now completely broken for some people. I'm glad its been changed to not be too OP, but I'm getting one and two shot on Veteran by normal enemies with 80% DR on a life regen build that I was using for Apoc co-op.
Yeah, it’s pretty sad. The game is pretty hard itself and one thing I hate about video games is that they don’t tell you the full description of their stats and it’s pretty sad because this tells me that someone else knows how to play their game better than the developers
In my high HP high DR build I show it off against a shield build with around 80% DR! You should consider that for now. They basically have attempted to make it impossible to facetank now and made most heavy builds obsolete other than that one... Might be time to focus on skilled dodges with high dps to end the fight fast :) Basically what you end up doing for speedruns in remnant 1. I will see what I can think of for facetanking, but I think they may have ruined that option for now unless you run INSANE levels of lifesteal and keep the damage flowing nonstop!
@@NottheWinnerGaming Solid development choice. "Hey, loyal customers! We have 11 classes in the game! Some of them are support. Some of them are DPS. But they are all viable and all great for team play! Except that the obvious gameplay loop penalizes playing support and rewards playing high DPS glass canon builds! Why play a tank that does very little damage and isn't a proper tank when you can just quintuple your DPS output and still die in just a few more hits!? Why play a healer or support class when DR is capped and healing skills are a wasted DPS buff slot!? Play Remnant 2 today and see just how many builds aren't nearly as viable as the HUGS meta! Thank you for you purchase, and enjoy!" - Gunfire Games (probably)
Keeping yourself at half health for all bonuses then using the reprocessed heart to have 1health and the rest as grey health. Then hold engineer turret and get 9points into barkskin to be at 100% Dr. Can run naked or with whatever armour. Just remember, puting the turret down will keep you at 100% but you have to be close to it. So it's mainly just turret ammo/grey health management. I used this to kill cancer on my apoc run which had spiteful and hearty mod. If you need item names lmk
it's not worked before the patch too, The Venom can 1 shot with flying spear, sometimes can 1 shot with the red AOE attacks. Also with Venom ground twisters when his low life@@NottheWinnerGaming
Interesting, normally the red aoe can only deal a certain amount, then the ground dot kills people. Third spear/thrown spear might be able to 1 shot with the right affix though!
Think I'ma take a break. Rip my apocalypse run. Got to Cancer before work, but oh well. Maybe I'll get lucky and by the time I get off work the patch still won't be available on PS5, and I can still try to beat it then, but oh well. Super annoying
@@TheOmnipotentBeing I guess even then it's pointless, my shops are bugged so I wouldn't even get the items without the update. Didn't even think about that till just now. Oh well, guess I wait for a new build to come out
get the 3% max hp regen when you have a shield active ring, ring of crisis, the under 30% hp dr ring, and the heavy metal band ring, with amulet that increases armor effectiveness by 30% and reduces encumbrance by 15: alchemist/challenger, you're welcome :)
That no longer works since patch! Some people said console has not gotten this patch yet so that build and all my other tank builds would work fine! I am just assuming your console if your still running that build though, if PC then with update it wouldnt perform well anymore :(
@@NottheWinnerGaming im on pc, and it definitely isn't as good as it was, but with ring of crisis(RoC) not having an internal cooldown, and me having 140%+ dr when under 30% without using a relic or skill, my health regenerates to above 25% before any enemy can break my shield, which, when broken is reprocced because hp is above 25% again.
You didnt fight a boss at all. The Council Members are just elites enemies not actual bosses. Make a video testing it against an actual ingame Apoc boss please and thank you.
@@NottheWinnerGaming I see lots of nerf but where is hunter ,anchon armor and mudtooth xp potion because the sellers that supposed to sell them still not have them
I'm running a full DR build very similar to yours. Have been for about 60 hours. I was tanking everything. Now even on Veteran, I get 1 or 2 shot. There is a player side bug for sure.
Lmao being able to stand around and take hits like it's nothing is for sure not how the devs intended this game to be played. You being able to take multiple hits seems like DR is still bonkers.
Lol I did not use exploits and they even said DR is still not working as intended now! If I was going for a full invincible build breaking the game sure but building a tank is not an exploit lol! Have a great day
@@NottheWinnerGaming I wasn't referring to your build, about exploits I was referring to the people who were using exploits in their build videos and also the reason for the nerfs. However with how bad the scaling is in this game at higher difficulties and the extreme limitations of builds due to the need of being tanky I think the nerfs were BS. Nerfs should never take priority when there are game breaking bugs. Good video by the way
Joined some random gamers to flex/help them on their veteran story mode with my op DR build,got my ass kicked by some trash mobs. alt+f4 cuz of shame,went straight to your channel. You gotta think of something new dude i'm dying here >:(
@@insomnisnack650 Damn thats rough! They fully patched the feast too! I thought they only patched doing it multiple times per fight not doing it in general until I tried today :P
This is so dumb... WHY its just PVE game I finally had build that worked fairly in Nightmare and they completely ruined it, now even cube enemies in Labyrynth one shot me wth their rush attacks... so disspointing
Yeah, they are just forcing us towards high dps high mod builds! Same as what crushed by the end of the final balance patch in remnant 1! I am sure they will work on more balance though!! I want tanks to still be a thing!
@@NottheWinnerGaming Hopefully devs will see our dissatisfaction and throw us a bone :) Thanks for your vids man, I learned a ton with your builds and looking forward to seeing more ^^
Sometimes things slip the patch notes in other games, but this kinda feels too specific to just be missed or overlooked by whoever was writing the pat notes.
Right! It is almost like they tried to hide it lol
Obviously, it would make them look bad announcing all their exploits, and ppl would complain they didn't had the chance to use the exploit while other had. Still the DR was way to exploitive might aswell just cheat/ God mode. Had one of those guys in my lobby he was tanky af but dealt less damage than my far underlevelt mate.
@@chuckfinnley4397 Godmode you would likely tank and deal crazy dmg, the tank builds are just that... tanks! Not meant for dps just to survive lol! I hear ya though!
@@NottheWinnerGamingyeah really unfortunate. The Idea of me giving my teammates buffs, shield, and reviving is so much more rewarding than just shredding a boss. This sucks.
@@NottheWinnerGamingI also believe this kills melee builds too
Well there goes any chance I ever had at beating Apocalypse mode
Yeah was about to start my run after finishing nightmare but the patch made me reconsider to just take it easy for a while lmao.
I made it up to root earth post patch, lots of bosses one shot you with the stupidest attacks now, but most of the apoc is still viable with this build, until we get something better or they fix whatever is fudged with DR atm
The reason they nerfed nightfall is because of the 500 build videos on RUclips for this game 40 of them try to make you live longer, and 460 of them are HUGS with Nightfall.
Nightfall was a GREAT gun. It was meta as hell. Are there other good guns? Absolutely. Were there better guns? Maybe? I haven't scienced enough to know the answer to that.
But just off of pure visibility alone Nightfall was dominating the meta.
I personally disagree strongly with nerfing stuff in a single player game. And this game (in my humble opinion) has stuff it needed to iron out way before they got to balance changes.
25% enemy damage done per additional player down to 15% is a useless change that doesn't fix the core issue with damage scaling in multiplayer. But let's not address that and nerf 2 guns because they're in everybody's videos.
Edit: alsot at 4:58 you have 3 stacks of curse with grey health setup.
Many better guns than nightfall, it was just nice for the no recoil lol! I get the reason for the nerf but I just didnt think that one needed it as much as enigma lol!
@@NottheWinnerGaming It was not for the lack of recoil. It had the best longterm dps as well as best burst dps in the game. Infinite ammo with good weakspot.
@@NottheWinnerGaming The engima nerf also was kinda called for cause it was a little dumb to run anything else for insane add clear. Personally I like nerfs to guns just not ones that kill weapons. The first game was way too darn easy so I can see them balancing top meta.
Use Resonating Heart every 20 seconds on bossfights as a medic
You can keep it up the entire fight and it keeps you tanky
Good to know, Will need to try it!
Invincible DR build still works. Been using it all day.
:P They tried to remove that and broke all tank builds except that one!
At 4:56 you had 3 stacks but said multiple times you couldn't get more than 2 with the grey health. You said it both in that moment and later after claiming you reviewed the first video. There may be something going on with the grey health causing you to not gain curse as fast but you def can go above 2 stacks.
Yeah grey health, but also I tried this today with a totally different build and I seemed to stay around 2 stacks max, killed them too quick in the test though lol so cant be sure!
New Tank setup 186 Health / 18 Reg/s / 80% Total DR / 200+ Res
Primary class Alchemist for 4 Buffs
- Mudtooth's Tonic
- Root Water
- (New Change) Sanguine Vapor but need 10% more Total DR
- Strong Drink (if need weight loss)
- Dark Cider
you can stack more items for over 200 resistances like e.g. Mud Rub
if you die you lose the resistance
Secondary Medic/Engineer
Gear:
Full Leto Mark I or II whichever preferred here (weight,style) both have 80% Total DR.
Amulet:
-Nimue's Ribbon / Red Doe Sigil
Ring :
- Ring of Crisis (like before)
- Reserve Boosting Gem
- Ring of Grace
- Encrypted Ring
Relics :
- Tranquil Heart with (15% Health / 20% Healing Effectiveness / 5% Damage Reduction)
- Resonating Heart switch for more active heal 15 Health /s for 20 sec only the Heart
he's not quite as strong as the build before, but he's still playable, have fun with it
I'm out
Sounds good! Similar to some of the builds I tested and ran! Its just not tanky enough for me but the regen is amazing :) Great build!
at 4:55 you actually had more than 2 stacks btw. Its just a visual glitch that the bar wasnt going up
Ah I gotcha! Thanks!
Misty step shield/life regen tank still working fine. Wasnt unkillable before patch but still takes very little damage so long as you maintain your shield
Yeah shield builds are back and so is pure dps!
What's the build for this?
If DR is now truly maxed at 80% Restriction cord builds are probably dead then. Even at veteran you can so easily get clipped and bodied.
Yeah restriction is useless, so is hardened coil and amber moon stone. Even shield at 25% hp becomes way weaker now as you can just get bodied. The Regen also felt slower too which means they just forced everyone to focus on pure dps builds for now unless there is something else special we are missing!
@@NottheWinnerGaming How is restriction cord useless when there are other affects in game that give non-tank stats below 100 and below 50% health?
It might be an unintentional change. The patch addressed a ton of stuff, so it may have fixed one thing that broke another.
Very true!
Yeah but they should've been clearer about the calculation. Does this affect bloodbond as well on top of dr? Making it a total of 80+10absorb to summon?
@@MyrtDFY the 10% absorb to summon I would assume takes the total dmg after dr then transfers 10% of the remaining amount, so it would not be capped in this change (in theory)!
Any build u can stand in 1 spot and not die doing absolutely nothing will be patched out
Lol Fair enough!
You weren't limited to 2 cursed stacks on the grey health conversion. You had 3 before dying.
Fair enough lol
@@NottheWinnerGaming No Hate, my man. Just pointing it out 👍
The point is that is still 5 the max LMAO
So I heard that DR was "fixed" but it also re-broke it. It is not currently working as intended still apparently.
Yeah its not 100% fixed, but fixed enough for sure!
I don’t have this build complete but pre and post patch I was fighting the abomination in putrid pits. Pre-patch I was trading blows fine. Post patch his 1-2-3-4 melee attack killed me. So it feels like dr got nerfed or bugged. Somethings changed.
It 100% got nerfed!
@@NottheWinnerGaming then they have destroyed tanks and reduced build diversity.
Yup
DR was bugged going past the 80% cap anyways
Then it should be in patch notes but yeah I agree!
Discovered a new tank build that works really well, even in apocalypse! Its about stacking max hp and armor. Comment if you want me to give details on gear.
I do wanna know xD
Feel free to give details, but we have already stacked max hp and armor in this video and it didnt change it. What did you do different?
Don't hold out on us, give us the gear!
give the details!
Wow. I really struggled to complete apocalypse difficulty even with a tanky build, given how many attacks are one shots, only to get screwed and not get any of the completion rewards.
Now, with being as tanky as possible I can barely survive against trash mobs, and forget about running a melee build on APOC.
I get that APOC should feel hard, I know that's the point, but I feel as squishy as a light build, and really doubt I can complete APOC with this patch.
Damn, only half way through my Apoc run trying to get that melee weapon. Looking forward to your build updates!
Thanks! Time to go back to shield tanks lol!
Maybe just don’t update the game if you have a dope build.
Could also just be a bug that they didn't realize they created
Could 100% be the case! But I will be working on builds that avoid passing 80% for now untl fixed!
@@NottheWinnerGaming looking forward to it
Damn i was just starting to get into dr builds too 😅 oh well back to dodging lol
Lol!
There goes the severed hand glitch.
There goes mostly any tank build lol!
Did you put the severed hand in the night web thing? free relic fragments and free upgrades to regal. It was nice.
@@neckrofkr I did. I wanted to do it again on Apocalypse difficulty but I didn't have it unlocked.
@@neckrofkr OOO good to know!
Yea i never understood the Nightfall nerf... I liked the gun but it could never out dps my wifowmaker build... So that seriously made no sense to me when they did that... Then they stealth nerfed dr which at first i didnt mind... But now while im always last standing on apocalypse.... As a tank my dps sucks and i cant outheal venom or annihilation anymore... Its weird as hell coming back to the game but im still loving it... Just feels wrong somehow
Yeah I hear you! I might be coming back to the game soon! Will be interesting to see the changes!
Could you try (not sure what builds you make) but if you could try one for healing that would be great cause I like the medic part and the relic that does aoe healing when you heal Pulsing Heart but not sure if its good or it just seemed good when I first used it.
Also do look forward to more tanky stuff too just wanted to try a support one for when my friends play if not i'll prob just figure things out some point later on.
I will be working on a dps build tonight, but I can do a healer build! Honestly just need ring of the divine while running max regen stuff and run full party! If you each run builds like that with ring of the divine then you get crazy hp per second from each other!
I'd appreciate that healer vid too as I enjoy the class!!
@@NottheWinnerGaming ok well when my friends play they wont know anything about the game really and I dont want to show them anything unless they ask since I have been farming so many secrets :P still trying to get that damn heart you have but I had to reset my campaign after 5 hours because I got the wrong lom world for it (also did get 2 secret weapons though which is prob why it took so long lol)
Have you tried sporebloom and bandit combo its ridiculous
Not yet! I will need to check it out!!!
Patching unkillable builds doesnt sound like a bad thing to be honest
They also patched out most tanky builds in general making many rings and armor combos near useless! Not a huge deal, Remnant 1 Broke builds all the time! Just time to build something newer and better!
Yea but the glass cannon build die to fast now any can kill you in one hit
It’s not unkillable
Question about the patch, has anyone tested to see if they patched out that ring with the amethyst that increases mod generation by elemental damage that let you generate mod uses while the mod was active?
I am not sure yet on the ring
Its still work i think
How can you play with 75 encumbrance? Do you just tank everything and not roll?
With 75 you only get heavy roll and not a flop! You can no longer just tank everything since that patch but heavy roll lets you dodge! Or you can wear a ring for the lightest dodge and chill at 90 encumberance!
@NottheWinnerGaming I've been trying to get that ring but I can't get it to spawn.
The bright steel ring you just need to finish 15 biomes (so 1 adventure run= 1 biome)! Then Reggie sells it!
Now i got native -10% DMR and i dont know why My character is bugged or its nerf ?
Not sure what is causing that to be honest!
dunno if it was mentioned but i believe being cursed reduces your maximum health so when you had 5 curses and were at 40% life/bar that is your maximum hp pool all it does is reduce overall health even though the bar isn't fall hence why you've only taken a smidge of damage but have 3 hardended coil stacks
Yeah it was mentioned in the video! I tested a few builds on this boss pre update and thats why were testing on this one!
Luckily me and a friend finished apoc right before the update went live using tanky setup with gamer pride ring. Take turns taking hit and regen/lifesteal up. It was hilarious to see 😂
Thats awesome! Congrats!!! I am still having a blast with the game, so many more builds to try now!
I’m guessing those 3 bosses deal curse damage every swing and having your resistance to +70 made you tanky as hell vs them. I’m assuming the first fight vs them you didn’t bug the resistance hence why you took way more damage compared to when you fought them the 2nd time but with 70+ curse resistance.
That does make sense!
I went from a tanky God to getting 1 shot left and right...
Yeah it is a little bit rough!
Damn so is Amber Moonstone just a wasted ring slot now?
Yes 100% it may barely save you once if you are very lucky but 99/100 times your dead immediately! They decimated 99.9% of tank builds for the moment, but i have a new shock build up that works well!
Thanks for the update. I noticed that im taking more damage as well with this setup. So all in all, do we change our elixer setup to run grey health conversation? or Just wait for the new setup?
I tried with grey health and died easier with that for some reason, so I might avoid grey health completely for now. 80% DR shield builds might be back in, or high lifesteal with 80% DR.... otherwise go low dr and insane damage... I will see what I can make though!
PS Can you give us a heads up on what concoctions are the best to use. I've watched the video section several times and can't make out your choices.
Ahh I made a video on the build i was using in this video. The High Hp High DR build! Basically Hp, Hp Regen, Armor. 4th doesnt matter but the grey hp one seemed to get me killed faster!
Hey! I know DR build is nerfed to the ground, but I recently watched another video of yours, and I changed it a little bit. It is working for me in apocalypse. It is the misty engineer...
Basically it is engineer/challenger, heavy armor to take a little bit of dmg here and there, amulet: necklace of flowing life, Rings: dread font, ring of crisis, ring of omens, generating band, heart: tranquil heart (is my way to go, you can use whatever you want)
Traits: Regrowth 10, Triage 10, Vigor 10, expertise 10, Siphoner 10, barkskin 10, Fitness 8
Weapon merciless + twisting wound
Insane build. I already tested it with a bunch of bosses. If I knew I couldn't dodge some attacks I just take the hit and start dodging like crazy, the health will be up so quickly (keep in mind I dont use any potions to get more life steal or dmg or resistance)
will try this. I prefer the anti stagger that challenger gives and the engineer weapon
Why merciless and not nightfall? Well... I just want to say... when you don't have enough ammo for your turret, you already used the infinite ammo, and you have a dumbass friend. You want to use your hearts reviving him than using it for yourself. I'll say seeing a boss die because of the bleeding while he is chasing you and you are reviving your friend, and the boss dies in front of you feels soo great. That's the only reason I use merciless, I know the build will be much better using potions, but even on remnant one, I refused to include potions in builds. Hopefully, you guys enjoy it ❤️. I also enjoy the anti-stagger that the challenger gives, I use this all the time to keep my buddy alive.
Dr change is in patch notes . It's not specific but I figured it was to stop invincible build.
If it was just to stop invincible build then that would apply to a very specific build not all DR in general... It should be laid out with far more information than that if it covers all tanky builds not just invincible... It should also mention DR
I think the patch also said that DR is changed to not go past 80% anymore. So im thinking just stacking a bunch of DR is pointless. You probably get the choice of wearing heavy armor and put on a bunch of damage jewelry or wearing lighter armor and wearing a couple DR rings. As long as tanks can still take a few hits, its fine. You should never feel invincible anyways.
ngl folks whilst this is unfortunate for you, it's not like you're not plenty tanky. Just dodge some and throw in some lifesteal you should be good
As other comments indicate, this was granting like 99% DR not capping as intended
Yeah I have a new build I am working on at the moment for everyone. Less tanky but way more power so that should help!
AY don't get so salty! you're playing on the hardest difficulty and surviving what would typically be one shots for more agile / dps focused play! got forbid you now need to roll one or twice! that build still looks like its a unit and can take all the punishment for missplay....
I honestly dont mind the change at all, I just wish it was included fully in the patch notes. Patch notes help us figure out changes and test new things accordingly! I have plenty of builds I am cooking up :)
They seem to be forcing a glass cannon meta fair enough i dont want to be invincible but i want to be able to tank more than 4 hits. Also boss fights with a tank build take forever to do any sort of real damage.
Yeah but thats the whole point of tanks to take hits not deal damage! Oh well though!
something isn't right post patch, boss all have one shot me with this build ^^;
So at this point just hit your 80 dr and focus everything else where?
I have a new build video up that should help a little for now! Will be improving as I go!
Hear, hear, well said. Looking forward to your brilliant solution to this sneaky conundrum the devs have slipped into the game. Surely they're not that stupid that they'd think nobody would notice. Perhaps it was an unforeseen consequence that they missed; if so, I hope they rectify it asap. Cheers, Harry.
Yeah lets hope for the best, that they fix it so tanks are viable. If not we gotta crush the bosses before they even see us :P! Thanks for watching as always Harry!
No one snuck anything into the game. We don't do that at Gunfire Games. We mentioned in the notes that we fixed an issue with Fortify. Any other issue with DR would be unrelated as no other changes were intentionally made. What we ARE finding, however, is that people that used the invuln DR builds (which did use Fortify), are actually taking damage now, which, on Apocalypse, can be a lot of damage. We are doing some internal tests to make sure that's the only issue.
Again, we don't intentionally sneak anything into the build. We tell players up front what we are doing. If something misses the patch notes, it's unintentional. We also forgot to put in 2 fixes as well (Hardcore Scripted Deaths no longer count as true deaths, and the Engineer Weapon Swap bug).
@@bencureton Thanks for the heads up. My apologies, I did not mean to offend you. It's hard not to be jaded as many of your competitors are without honour or integrity - Profits B4 People, seems to be the policy of many gaming companies. Love Remnant from the Ashes and love this game too.
@@harrysynnott2379 Not a problem, my friend! We are getting to the bottom of the DR issue. It looks like it is working as intended but is not representing the proper info. I'll have an update soon as we do more tests!
Thank you for the update! Hopefully you can fix the invincibility build soon and still give tanks a viable option to play as tanks!! :)
I really hope they leave lifesteal, health regen builds alone, ive been running a Challenger/Gunslinger with lifesteal and health regen and having a blast, not unkillable but it feels like it at certain points.. I tried to do a DR build today but it doesnt feel as good as it did like a few days ago.. Hoping regen and lifesteal stays untouched.. That nightfall nerf was unnecessary, the weapon wasnt even that strong, its mod is the only reason it was being used so much.. For 10 sec u became a dps machine but once that was over, its just a semi fire long gun that does less dmg than the other single fire guns.. Merciless i guess might be the next to get nerf by this logic
Yeah I really hope they leave lifesteal and regen alone, that wil some solid dmg should be easy claps!
@NottheWinnerGaming It's an awesome build, so far nightmare isn't too bad.. Misty step with this build is just *chefs kiss 💋 lol... U have so much health regen and the free rez from challenger and then all that extra dmg from challenger and gunslinger.. It feels good and I hope we can somehow bring DR builds back but balanced I guess with the other builds available.. the zero dmg build is what caused these DR builds to take a hit and I feel bad for some of ya.. Hope u have a great day and thx for replying and stuff man, got a sub off me
Thank you, I'm a little hurt, or should i say my character is a little hurt by this patch, not gonna lie, hahah
Hahaha I feel ya! i got a video on the way... a little squishy but packs a punch!
How do you have the patch? I don’t
It’s online.
Yeah same for my Build. Everything is so F... Up. I dont know what they did, but its Sh..
Its rough for sure!
I dont understand why they cant balance DR in remnant games. Theres no point in wearing armor at all in a 3 man game on apoc.
Now even if you fuily commit amulets/rings to DR and no increased damage you get one shoted anyways.
Yeah I like diversity in options and forcing dps feels rough :(
@@NottheWinnerGaming Little off topic but i also dont understand why being on Flop weight does not give you a -1 to stagger. Now not only will you die on apoc but you get stunlocked and unable to melee because 2-3 Losmn peasant Drans hit your 300 pounds armor with a machete.
Yeah the 0 stagger from armor/weight feels insane to me... like guys if I wear heavy stuff it should knock me back less, or flat on my ass :P
It's not a hidden nerf and it is in the patch notes. DR now functions as it should and caps out at 80%, instead of going to 99.9% like before
Edit; nevermind, your comment about NF+DW not being overtuned showed the level of ignorance. HUGS NFDW had the single highesr DPS in the game
You were only surviving the damage you were in in your previous videos because you had 90%+ DR. Just spreading false information at this point.
I read the patch notes in another video and that was not listed. They said they fixed the invincible build, not every tank build!
I used my orb and it disappeared. I thought it could be used over and over. And are the trait points correct?
65 is the new total and the orb should not disappear anymore but if it does that is a bug!
I don’t think the update is on console yet if you are playing on those, could be the issue
Never used Hex Ward but it's supposed to prevent curse, maybe sacrifice a slot to keep the benefits of everything else?
I try it out later once I get back home
Thanks for the update, I have not seen anyone talking about it yet o7
Yeah preventing the curse would make you likely able to facetank this! Most other fights it wouldnt be enough though, so I will work on something to just melt the bosses!
They bugged it a dev talked about it in reddit
Yeah the patch hurt for sure!
I’m gonna go with health regen, if I can. Nimue’s Ribbon, Tranquil Heart, Regen Rings.
Regen could work, but I think lifesteal stomps that now!
@@NottheWinnerGaming How about both? Both is good!
Unfortunately DR is now completely broken for some people. I'm glad its been changed to not be too OP, but I'm getting one and two shot on Veteran by normal enemies with 80% DR on a life regen build that I was using for Apoc co-op.
Yeah kinda wild! Just gotta get dps to where you 1 shot everything :P
@@NottheWinnerGaming yea fr lol I’m working on that right now
legit just got everything for my tank builds at 3 am the night before the patch =( fun detected
Ouch!
Yeah, it’s pretty sad. The game is pretty hard itself and one thing I hate about video games is that they don’t tell you the full description of their stats and it’s pretty sad because this tells me that someone else knows how to play their game better than the developers
It’s impossible to anticipate every interaction or how players will behave. You do the best you can and then make adjustments when stuff pops up.
Lol, well I will figure out a new setup! Should be fine!
Kinda sucks i was toying around with a fun tank build in nightmare i guess they just want these things usless in nightmare for some reason.
Yea! Hopefully they fix it soon!
@@NottheWinnerGaming I feel bad for anyone that got on yesterday in a hardcore run for the rewards and got nuked
Yeah honestly that must have been brutal for some!
Max curse stacks are still 5 dude try it on the chess puzzle… 🤦♂️
They are still 5 but I cant seem to reach 5 with certain builds now!
My tank build is much weaker now, need some new ideas, anyone wanna share new ideas/syngergies?
In my high HP high DR build I show it off against a shield build with around 80% DR! You should consider that for now. They basically have attempted to make it impossible to facetank now and made most heavy builds obsolete other than that one... Might be time to focus on skilled dodges with high dps to end the fight fast :) Basically what you end up doing for speedruns in remnant 1.
I will see what I can think of for facetanking, but I think they may have ruined that option for now unless you run INSANE levels of lifesteal and keep the damage flowing nonstop!
@@NottheWinnerGaming Solid development choice.
"Hey, loyal customers! We have 11 classes in the game! Some of them are support. Some of them are DPS. But they are all viable and all great for team play! Except that the obvious gameplay loop penalizes playing support and rewards playing high DPS glass canon builds! Why play a tank that does very little damage and isn't a proper tank when you can just quintuple your DPS output and still die in just a few more hits!? Why play a healer or support class when DR is capped and healing skills are a wasted DPS buff slot!? Play Remnant 2 today and see just how many builds aren't nearly as viable as the HUGS meta! Thank you for you purchase, and enjoy!" - Gunfire Games (probably)
You can still hit 100% immortality with 0 armour on. pretty sure they just nerfed the armour dr values
Interesting, so they didnt fix invincibility bug just nerfed DR and tried to play it off :P thats funny!
How does this build work?
Keeping yourself at half health for all bonuses then using the reprocessed heart to have 1health and the rest as grey health. Then hold engineer turret and get 9points into barkskin to be at 100% Dr. Can run naked or with whatever armour. Just remember, puting the turret down will keep you at 100% but you have to be close to it. So it's mainly just turret ammo/grey health management. I used this to kill cancer on my apoc run which had spiteful and hearty mod. If you need item names lmk
But you have to have the turret out to maintain this Invincibility?
@@YlgPeace holding the turret also gives 15%dr.. or being near it
I use this but the Venom stil can 1 shot me
Can or cant? They just weakened DR builds today!
it's not worked before the patch too, The Venom can 1 shot with flying spear, sometimes can 1 shot with the red AOE attacks. Also with Venom ground twisters when his low life@@NottheWinnerGaming
Interesting, normally the red aoe can only deal a certain amount, then the ground dot kills people. Third spear/thrown spear might be able to 1 shot with the right affix though!
Think I'ma take a break. Rip my apocalypse run. Got to Cancer before work, but oh well. Maybe I'll get lucky and by the time I get off work the patch still won't be available on PS5, and I can still try to beat it then, but oh well. Super annoying
Yeah it is annoying for sure! I am going to see what I can figure out for all of us!
Just don't download the update and play offline
@@TheOmnipotentBeing I guess even then it's pointless, my shops are bugged so I wouldn't even get the items without the update. Didn't even think about that till just now. Oh well, guess I wait for a new build to come out
@@Arkale893_0 I'm not sure what I've triggers the bug state but I've got full clear in apoc before update and had everything
get the 3% max hp regen when you have a shield active ring, ring of crisis, the under 30% hp dr ring, and the heavy metal band ring, with amulet that increases armor effectiveness by 30% and reduces encumbrance by 15: alchemist/challenger, you're welcome :)
dont forget max barkskin and the grey health regen trait
That no longer works since patch! Some people said console has not gotten this patch yet so that build and all my other tank builds would work fine!
I am just assuming your console if your still running that build though, if PC then with update it wouldnt perform well anymore :(
@@NottheWinnerGaming im on pc, and it definitely isn't as good as it was, but with ring of crisis(RoC) not having an internal cooldown, and me having 140%+ dr when under 30% without using a relic or skill, my health regenerates to above 25% before any enemy can break my shield, which, when broken is reprocced because hp is above 25% again.
@@NottheWinnerGaming i did swap from challenger to medic for the grey health perk
Pan A See Uh
Thanks! I was really struggling haha
@NottheWinnerGaming Ha ha! Happy to help
You didnt fight a boss at all. The Council Members are just elites enemies not actual bosses. Make a video testing it against an actual ingame Apoc boss please and thank you.
You should check out my other videos as these patch notes are now outdated and in many of my build videos I fight multiple bosses!
Lol me dps build feel like is made of butter ,any hit can kill me now in one hit 😅 is a bug or what the fcked
I am working on a dps build right now that should shred! Just need to dodge a little :P
@@NottheWinnerGaming bleeding one is good and hunter gunslinger build using the aphelion do 2500 easy per hit
@@NottheWinnerGaming the problem is not the build is that you are made of paper ,any can one hit kill you 😂
@@NottheWinnerGaming I see lots of nerf but where is hunter ,anchon armor and mudtooth xp potion because the sellers that supposed to sell them still not have them
@@yunielalfonso773 Heard those are still bugged :(
I'm running a full DR build very similar to yours. Have been for about 60 hours. I was tanking everything. Now even on Veteran, I get 1 or 2 shot. There is a player side bug for sure.
Lets hope so! For now Iwill make builds that fit this patch!
I am pay for a game coop for fun .and now nerffing stuff
Yea it is really unlucky! Lets just come up with even better builds!
Nightfall was busted don't act like it wasn't.
Engima was busted, nightfall just needs more recoil to be fixed, not slower shooting :)
Lmao being able to stand around and take hits like it's nothing is for sure not how the devs intended this game to be played. You being able to take multiple hits seems like DR is still bonkers.
DR is still alright, but time to move to insanely fast kills instead now i think!
Teach me Senpai!
New build soon! Less Tank more Spank!
@NottheWinner Gaming I think the Tranquil Heart gives you resistances also.
Yeah possibly! If the Panacea stacks from each source it would make sense!
Yeah stealth nerfs arent ok, and its extremely disrespectful to your player base. However usin exploits isnt cool either consider this punishment
Lol I did not use exploits and they even said DR is still not working as intended now! If I was going for a full invincible build breaking the game sure but building a tank is not an exploit lol! Have a great day
@@NottheWinnerGaming I wasn't referring to your build, about exploits I was referring to the people who were using exploits in their build videos and also the reason for the nerfs. However with how bad the scaling is in this game at higher difficulties and the extreme limitations of builds due to the need of being tanky I think the nerfs were BS. Nerfs should never take priority when there are game breaking bugs. Good video by the way
Joined some random gamers to flex/help them on their veteran story mode with my op DR build,got my ass kicked by some trash mobs. alt+f4 cuz of shame,went straight to your channel.
You gotta think of something new dude i'm dying here >:(
Try dodging. Maybe it'll fix your problems
Ill bring power on this next one!
@@Krovet sometimes you just wanna chill and just swing your sword,already beat the game on apoc,now it's time to explore op stuff
Thought they were doing some shady shit lol
Super Shady lol!
Chimney patched as well
@@insomnisnack650 Damn thats rough! They fully patched the feast too! I thought they only patched doing it multiple times per fight not doing it in general until I tried today :P
Pretty lame i hope its a bug and they fix it
Yeah, if its a bug then it makes sense why its not in the notes, if not then it should of been in the notes...
This is so dumb... WHY its just PVE game I finally had build that worked fairly in Nightmare and they completely ruined it, now even cube enemies in Labyrynth one shot me wth their rush attacks... so disspointing
Yeah, they are just forcing us towards high dps high mod builds! Same as what crushed by the end of the final balance patch in remnant 1! I am sure they will work on more balance though!! I want tanks to still be a thing!
@@NottheWinnerGaming Hopefully devs will see our dissatisfaction and throw us a bone :) Thanks for your vids man, I learned a ton with your builds and looking forward to seeing more ^^
Glad I could help man :) I will keep working and hope they fix it soon!
10% flat DR ?? The rest from armor. Raise flat DR and try again ??
I have some other ideas I am cooking up!
they patched it for sure. the difference is very noticable.
Agreed!