Tories want to swap ‘rip-off’ degrees for apprenticeships
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The Conservatives were focusing on education policy today, promising to target universities that are "ripping off" young people, and drive a shift towards apprenticeships - with 100 thousand new places by the end of the next parliament.
They have had 14 years to do this and yet they only promise to do anything in 5 years time.
Yep, Labour did the same when they were in power. Both parties are pathetic liars. Vote Reform.
Let's get rid of the PPE course from Oxford and all those useless History, Classical Studies degrees that the Tory Toffs always seems to get.
How many politicians have got a Maths, Science or Engineering degree? a tiny minority. The whole Tory party is built on "Mickey Mouse" degrees! How dare they decide who gets to study higher education and what they study! Johnson and Rees-Mogg studied Classics...great...they can spout a few ancient Greek and Latin proverbs...just what the country needs..
Jam tomorrow! I'm so sick of that message from Tories.
You must tighten your belt, put your shoulder to the wheel, nose to the grindstone and there will be jam tomorrow. We just don't get to taste the jam because they eat it all first.
@monipenny408 Doesn't it just?!
No they haven't. 2010-2015 was a coalition. A different government that encouraged people to go to university, but also raised tuition fees.
2015-2016 was David Cameron. Same guy from the coalition. He and the county were focused on Brexit
2016-2021 was various governments trying to get Brexit done
Liz Truss couldn't do anything because she governed for 1 month. She might have introduced this policy if she had remained PM.
The only leaves Rishi, who's announcing this policy because we have a general election approaching
I have a great idea - end privatisation of education.
Clearly you never had privatized education. Have you had ANY University education?
So make educators government employees?
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 🤦♂
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 Local school and College Educators were government employees up until recently! local schools have been for decades and were run as a societal hub offering activities and further education after hours relatively cheaply.
Where will the children of the labour MP's get educated if we do that?
Here’s an idea , stop investing in wars and put the money into education
But our precious conflicts in Ukraine and Palestine (that 99% of supporters cannot locate on a map) how will our friends in the Military industrial complex get paid 😢
A book you mean ? Tons of them at the local library
Wars make money. Peace doesn't.
@@MichaelHampton-fn5rl they actually don't make money, they redistribute wealth from the poor to the rich. As everything is designed to.
But they set the degree tuition fees...
@Sdakouls3
Good point!
😂 People forget
So why not do that sooner they had 15 years
Why not get rid of the PPE course run at Oxford University? That is the awful course that many of the Tory politicians take in order to "run the country". Liz Truss did PPE at Oxford. Say no more. This is just a cynical attempt to deny young people a higher education. They know that most people who develop a brain - i.e. learn critical thinking skills - do NOT vote Tory. This is a disgusting policy that is trying to take us back to serfdom...as everything the Tories has done over the past 14 years has been designed to. The young are really taking the brunt of the Tories ire. First Brexit denied them Freedom of Movement. Now you have to stay prisoner in this country and do -national service- unpaid slave labour and then straight down t'mines for an apprenticeship.
How do the Tories get to decide what is and is not a "mickey mouse" degree?? I nominate PPE from Oxford. Casestudy: Liz Truss. Classics too! Johnson and Rees-Mogg did useless Classics! Great..you can read ancient Greek!
The Tories are making up policy on the spot, I suspect from the results of focus groups or from gut prejudice, because they are desperate to try and shift those poll figures in their favour. However they have no means or plan or costings to achieve what they are promising and their record in office shows how incompetent and ineffective they are with delivery anyway. I suspect they will target degrees they disapprove of in a philistine way.
Yet another policy that they have not had time to propose in the last 14 years
Appreciships should be paid on minimum wage rates, and not be allowed to be used, as cheap labour by employer's 👍
The Conservatives need to find 885 million to fund this apprenticeship scheme.
Conservative Lady Michelle Mone got PPE contracts for 200 million. Try starting by getting that back.
They did , you'll be paying for it. Not all of it , but some of it😆
Kids dont really know what path to choose. Everyone is different. No one is better. All are needed. All are important!!!
We've lost that mentality.
Basically they don’t want people to learn how to think by being with others of the same vein.
Oh really? Suddenly they care about social mobility right when they were a party built on the antithesis of this?
Is anyone seriously still buying today's politics?
This is all about keeping young people apart in the 'workplace' under the supervision of older Tory voting types. Because if you let them get together they meet people form all other walks of life and ethnic back grounds, which God forbid gives them a sense of empathy and does not turn out good little Tory voters.
Who is this clown? Waffle, waffle, blame Labour, waffle, waffle, academics have studied this... Academics are found where? Universities 🤔 you can't make this stuff up.
And excellent job of calling him out 👏👍👌
The citizens who voted for them unfortunately
The tories won't be back for a while after 4th July.
Thank god
Interesting how they picked Independence Day in America for the General Election.
“Not all Conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are Conservatives.”
- John Stuart Mill, Notes. 1869.
Stupid people tend to put meaningless quotes online in the mistaken belief they look knowledgeable.
"Rip off" says the party that tripled the price.
Football studies? He genuinely insulted Loughborough University! He lost my vote! 😢💜
It's big business.
Didn't have your vote in the first place, did he?
"One of the new Universities in the Southwest"......does this guy seriously believe his party gave enough funds for multiple Universities to be created or think that people would believe that?
itS real but itS a funfair anderton and rowlandS part pay for courses for new Staff o itS bet of both job and School
Should've asked him about "Anglo Saxon and ancient Norse " degree at Cambridge University.....
Start with the useless PPE degree he has (same as the degree Liz Truss has). Both have shown that the Oxford PPE is not fit for the purpose - no expertise in politics, philosophy or economics! 😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆
And less common sense competence 😊
😂😂😂
I would switch to the fact these are tories and no manner of good education will ever help them deliver good policies. Thery're only interested in funneling money to their mates and themselves. Pure greed. The education is irrelevant.
Educating an idiot privately doesn't make them clever, it just makes them (more) arrogant.
If truss had a degree in economics, your country would be MUCH better ! 😆
The Tories: levelling down educational attainment again.
What happened to market choice? What happened to giving students individual freedom?
Sounds like authoritarianism to me. Coupled with the ridiculous national servitude propsal, the tories must really hate the youth of today.
The Tories are the ones who introduced the exorbitant university fees in the first place, never forget that.
If only someone was in charge for the last few years who could have done something about these useless degrees😂
They increase school fees.
They are so out of touch that they are a joke
So are Labour. They're the exact same party and represent the exact same corporate interests.
The politicians or the journalists? 😆
Out of touch sums " up channel 4 news viewers
To be honest, do people still believe what they said ?
'non-graduates- is not the same as apprentices and excluding london from this would further tell a different story
the tory assault on universities - humanities in particular - is as depressing as it is predictable. 'rip-off' degrees? who tripled the tuition fees and removed student caps?
It won't work because of the phrase: 'earn and learn'.
They had 14 years to do something! Anything they say now is empty
He can probably name tens, twenties, fifties even more of these wasted courses but politics denies that truth coming out.
Simply speaking this Government can find money for GIMMICKS at cost to Taxpayers but can't find money important & essentials that make life better for the people.
RWANDA: £169,000 per person (£340mn so far)
National Service: £2.5bn
NHS WORKERS: (£700mn) pay demand- to the Taxpayers
I'm British and have 2 degrees from Poland. No student fees. The problem is the actual cost to start with. But the idea that University-level education needs to be seen only as a financial investment is the main issue I have.
On the other hand, how about not guaranteeing highly paid jobs to talentless oafs from places like Eton?
It makes infinite sense to offer more apprenticeships. I've been saying this for years and years and years.
Anyone remember that misguided thatcher? All technical colleges were to be renamed universities in the pursuit of an MBA for everyone? My redbrick BSc and then later world leading MSc were too expensive for her failed economic future to accommodate. Left UK.
My favourite headline of the day, the Tories saying they’ll be targeting “up to 1 in 8 degree courses”… so potentially zero degree course then?! 😂
Contemporary circus is what the government is doing with us!
I wonder why all of a sudden we become important!
Is it has to do anything with election?
Guys, I have an MSc in Finance and management from one of the top 5 Unis in Uk. Now I’m doing food delivery.
Absolutely disgusting
The Tories have rightly lost all credibility when it comes to prioritising the needs of common people rather than the needs of their cronies.
Higher education is basically free in Germany and Finland. How about that?
I know everything needs to be paid for somehow. But a higher education system that forces 17-year-olds to think about their education first and foremost as an investment to get themselves out of debt while the PM's wife doesn't have to pay taxes in any meaningful sense is a broken system.
Too late to worry about any new initiatives now.
@SomeCrap lol, fat finger syndrome.
Could it be that Tories don't want so many people at Uni because they are taught critical thinking there which means they will see through the Tory party's bull?
He wants better apprenticeships, its taken him all this time to realise that Maggie ruined the traditional apprenticeships replacing them with the YTS which was an absolute joke.
PM Rishi Sunak is making a mistake because no university course in the modern age is useless, and what needs to change is modification of the syllabus to include diversified innovative modules.
For example, I studied management at the postgraduate level, and I benefited enormously from the process and methodology of solving problems via managing information in general terms, which is not confined to computing. Most importantly, university courses must include the process and methodology of innovation, which is likely to transform lives and businesses across the UK and beyond 💡
More of the same 'we're gonna' politics, while bashing the liberal arts.
Education is the point of education - to pass on knowledge and life skills not to turn out robotic money making drones.
Why haven’t done this in the last 14 years
Wonder how many future Tory MPs will have done an apprenticeship
In Germany what we call vocational training is called Applied Science. It’s a degree subject.
Tories cant do anything they are finished....pack your bags Rishi bye bye
Thatcher Thatcher Thatcher!
In July 2020 the then education minister Gavin Williamson pledged to present a whitepaper by September to build up a "Further Education" system, similar to the German dual vocational training system.
What happened with that?
Its because hardly any jobs for graduates now or any jobs
It's not a terrible idea - we have a national shortage of vocational/skilled workers and a lot of people aren't making use of their degrees post university, but it's sort of too little too late to announce this really. Conservatives out.
"Rip off degree". Agreed. Also what percentage of students leave after 1st or 2nd year and are left with life time debt with yearly percentage increase. University isnt anything special. its just sitting in a lecture hall taking notes with little or no support from tutors ...
An apprenticeship in the sixties was different than an apprenticeship now.
experience wins over having a degree or not. Experience is proof you can do the job and degree is merely a certificate you've studied something to do a job. I hold a 1st class degree, but that experience hurdle is still real and there should be honest conversations to young adults about things.
He's a ripped off
Nursing degree is not get pay while working as apprenticeship
Tories know the game is up
A degree in street sweeping maybe ?
Apprenticeships are good unless they fiddle with them, I did mine in a TV repair shop obtaining my City & Guilds at College, whilst earning at the same time, our boss a lady would never take on a University's person, She would say, to needy, always made excuses for bad workmanship, thought they walked on air, so she would never take one on.
So every chat or bit of information read by the reporter was wrong or being interperted wrong. The tories just cant grasp the numbers dont lie
I'm sure I heard Richard Tice proposing a similar policy a few days ago, maybe a bit of poaching going on, also why now and not anytime in the last 14 years, or atleast the last couple of years Rishi has been PM
Child exploitation no pay 🤬
That’s literally what college and uni is lol
@@TheDSSlayermaybe you should have went. What a fucking stupid thing to say 😂😂😂😂
But yes. Getting £2-£3 ph where the owner doesn't treat you with a miniscule amount of respect. Doesn't twach you enough skills to be OK on your own. Byt just enough to make you a useful idiot while they have use for you.
but the college and uni you decide to go to is exploitation.
Jesus christ why do I live in this country. Filled woth fecking eejiots.
Apprenticeship were brilliant for young people to learn a good trade. Uni indoctrinates,
Ego dari kebodohan itu sendiri yang telah melindungi serta memuja secara mutlak pembunuh baginya sendiri!...
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The ego of ignorance itself has protected and absolutely worshiped its own murderer!....
nothing wrong with retraining existing workers.. people with experience advance in their career... young people get the entry roles... they advance and get trained also. Where we have a problem is when they rely on overseas cheap skills and dont bother to pay for Brit workers to be trained at all.
If you really wanted to wreck the uni system you'd make it possible for private companies to offer university courses providing they meet educational standards. Uni is now a racket... and a stealth tax on workers.. they close off the employment market in places where effectively you wouldnt practically need a degree. Luckily that is different in areas of the tech industry where skills are in short supply.. but that in itself is proof a degree isnt as necessary as its being made out to be.
Frankly, whilst uni education has its place for traditional and modern highly academic specialisms.. its ballooned into a get rich quick scheme.. a cash cow for those invested in it... and its a huge block to skills in this country.. precisely the opposite of what it used to be.. and what its supposed to be.. its just another way this country has been turned into a rich persons playground and cash cow.. to the detriment of the common person.. and by common I also means those that come out of uni with massive debt.
How about tackling rip off student visa scams allowing ‘students’ to come here with half their family, do a useless course and never leave again……
Pernyataan dan tindakan yang menjadi fakta:
1. Dia adalah pemimpin kami ( presiden amerika serikat). ... ( hal itu dinyatakan pada tahun 2022, untuk membela kebusukan presiden dari negara itu).
2. Menyetujui anggaran untuk menggerogoti negara dari mitranya sendiri! ( pada tahun 2024, mei). ... ( hal itu dilakukan oleh 'mr speaker').
kedua fakta itu sangat baik untuk membuktikan ketidakterbukaan untuk menutupi ikatan kebusukan yang tidak dapat terhindarkan.
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Statements and actions that become facts:
1. He is our leader (the president of the United States). ... (it was stated in 2022, in defense of the rottenness of the president of that country).
2. Approved a budget to undermine the country of his own partners! (in 2024, May). ...(it was done by 'mr speaker').
those two facts are very good to prove the lack of transparency to cover up the inevitable bond of rottenness.
Inflasi membuat k
emiskinan bertambah!.....tetapi inflasi sesungguhnya sangat menguntungkan bagi 'pemodal'!.....
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Inflation makes
poverty increases!..... but inflation is actually very profitable for 'financiers'!.....
Jika sistem pertahanan dari amerika serikat yang menjadi acuan baku yang dipakai seluruh anggota EU itu?!.....maka predikat barisan terdepan dibalik besi pembatas itu adalah 'our actor'!...(slovakia)
'Almanak' dinas rahasia dari negara (usa) yang dididik untuk tidak memiliki moral itu sendiri, telah mematenkan standart tersebut.
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If the defense system of the United States is the standard reference used by all EU members!.....then the front row predicate behind the iron barrier is 'our actor'!...(slovakia)
The secret service 'almanac' of the country (usa) educated to have no morals itself, has patented the standard.
Proyek jalur (kereta) sutra itu adalah fakta yang sedang dikerjakan !....sedangkan teror 'ketegangan' itu hanyalah skenario untuk menutupinya!...
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The silk road (train) project is a fact that is being done !.... while the 'tension' terror is just a scenario to cover it up!....
HM WELL YEAH. MY FATHER BECAME A ROYAL MARINE FIRST, AND THEN TOOK A DEGREE IN LATER TWENTIES. HE HAD A TOP JOB, AND ALSO HAD INDEPENDENT FAME FOR HIS OWN CREATIVITY. IT DID NOT HARM HIM AT ALL, TO HAVE SOME TOUGH AND CHALLENGING EARLY EXPERIENCE
"Why is it every time I open my mouth some stupid person speaks" Tory mantra!!
If you do a degree in nursing then your salary will just keep going down.
ribuan rakyat Hawaii dibunuh oleh pemerintahnya sendiri dengan cara dibakar hidup-hidup didepan hidung siapapun!!
.......dengan dilarang atau menghalangi untuk menolong penduduk Hawaii yang hanya berjarak 1 (satu) meter dari air laut.
( satu bulan setelah hal itu terjadi mr speaker itu mendapatkan jabatannya, dan sampai saat ini tidak ada satupun dari siapapun.... perwujudan pembelaan/perlindungan kepada Rakyat Hawaii itu)
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thousands of Hawaiians were murdered by their own government by burning alive in front of everyone's noses!!!
....... by prohibiting or hindering to help the Hawaiian people who are only 1 (one) meter away from sea.
(two months after it happened, Mr. Speaker accepted his position, and to this day, no one has .... manifested any defense/protection for the people of Hawaii.)
They must mean Eton. 😊
like the degrees of his friends and relatives? the man is a joke
IF APPRENTICESHIP COMBINES TO THE UNIVERSITY ACCESS, THEN THE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE, AND KNOWLEDGE, AND SKILL SET INTO INNOVATIVE IMAGINATION, WILL BE LIKE NO OTHER. PM SHOULD BE A BIT FLEXIBLE TO THIS THOUGH.
Eropa telah termakan janji manis ekonomi murah jika pendistribusian tunggal melalui jalur kereta api dari camp konsentrasi ''tiananmen' itu, dapat berjalan.
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Europe has fallen for the sweet promise of a cheap economy if the single distribution by rail of the 'tiananmen' concentration camp, goes ahead.
Basis data covid itu berasal dari H5N1.
Bermutasi untuk mendapatkan keuntungan yang besar.
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The covid database was derived from H5N1.
Mutated to make a big profit.
Mengapa covid dapat menambah jumlah (keuntungan) uang (yang fantastis) kepada segelintir 'pemodal' dan 'philantropy' ??...
Dan mengapa negara dapat menambah jumlah utangnya akibat 'proyek' covid itu??...
Lalu dengan apa negara membayarnya??...
Siapa segilintir 'pemodal' itu??.....dan siapa segelintir 'philantropy' itu??....
Lalu dengan hal apa dan oleh siapa serta sarana seperti apa......... dalam memberikan keuntungan itu kepada dua predikat tersebut??...
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Why covid can increase the amount of (fantastic) money (profit) to a handful of 'financiers' and 'philanthropy' ??....
And why can the state increase the amount of debt due to the covid 'project' ??....
And what did the state pay for it with??..
Who is the handful of 'financiers'?? ..... and who is the handful of 'philanthropy'??....
Then by what and by whom and by what means....in giving the benefits to these two predicates??..
it was the tories who took away debt free education, also you cant have apprenticrships without the skilled folk to train them
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Good policy
No one cares.
Agree about the circus degree! WTF 😆
Pleased to know that other people's kids will be doing more practical subjects and not wasting my money on dubious studies.
This bloke is just making it up as he goes along. Name one course. "Er.... I have heard of one in the south west"
Bangladesh market square qualifications
Degrees should be career relevant. Period.
What about the lobsters?
No, the fact the average of apprentice is aged 25, suggests that after having wasted a few years at Uni and then found themselves unemployable, students then turn themselves in to do apprenticeships.
😢Eediot 😢❤
sad
Apprenticeships are a scam howany are apprentice front of house staff? Apprentice waitress in other words. So many apprentice scams out their
A smart idea💡😊
Forgive student debt. Make university more of an option. Stop employers from demanding 20 years of experience before you can get a job. Raise the minimum wage. Vote out the Conservatives.
“Forgive student debt”… sounds very inflationary. Surely that wouldn’t hurt young people right…
@@estebanperez4171 no, it's not inflationary. You don't get money, you just don't have to pay it back.
Debts don't just vanish into thin air. Have you got your brain around who would pay that student debt? Probably not!
I don't fancy paying for someone else's child to go to Uni thanks
@@estebanperez4171 tax the rich and those with their debts forgiven will put more money into the economy.
Universities are not just there to provide vocational education!! What happened to learning for learning's sake!! Being passionate about a subject and loving learning about it is a discipline in itself. Everyone who goes to University researches thoroughly the content of their courses and CHOOSES their course, examining whether it will suit them or not. This guy is just another Tory liar. I'm sick of them gaslighting us ALL the frickin' time!! Their policy on apprentice schemes has been yet another failure in the litany of failures they have presided over.
Yeah... Totally. A passion at a subject should cost you 3-5 years of your life and put you in debt for £35,000. 👍🏻
If you have a passion for learning, you can literally learn whatever you want on the internet FOR FREE.
Not your choice harrym clearly you're not academic nor enjoy education. The uk needs bright educated dynamic people not a load of worker drones
@@bereal6590 I'm an Engineer, thanks for playing though 👍🏻
What happened is they started charging for university education and then everything became about the balance sheet. The thing that makes me really angry about this is that the politicians who did this had grants when they went to university.
They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
I AM VERY PRACTICAL, ONLY BECAUSE I GOT 5O STRAIGHT A DISTINCTIONS IN SCIENCE AND ART. I REALLY NEEDED MY EDUCATION TO KNOW WHAT I AM DOING DOWN TO THE SMALLEST DETAILS. MIND AND PRAGMATISM HAS TO WORK TOGETHER. ESPECIALLY IF HE IS A TORIE AND HE LIKES MONEY FROM BUSINESS. THEN HE HAS GOT TO WANT THE TECH. TECH WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE.
More tripe from the Toffs
We need artists, musicians, philosophers, writers, historians, poets etc, and people who study all these subjects, its called culture. If you are the sort of person that complains British culture is being eroded and then want to replace philosophy, art and music degrees with business and computing apprenticeships then you are part of that problem.
@Sli-ip2fu
We also need mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, marine engineers, civil engineers. Oh and we need these people in politics as well! This will ensure you have a building to study your philosophy in.
I bet he'd support Politics Philosophy economics degrees .... because that's what the country is crying out for, Philosopher Politicians with a minor in Economics that makes them think unfunded mini budgets are a great idea
😂 and all our culture comes from people who have been to university?
Well said, music venues, libraries and art centres being bulldozed for high rise money laundering condos and then people wonder why there’s no British culture anymore. It’s staring them right in the face but they’d rather blame some fella who crossed the English Channel on a door then admit it was the party they’ve voted in for a decade.
Disagree. The UK already has too many mediocre artists who are unemployed or even worse, unemployable. It doesn't need more.
Business & Management Degrees are a complete joke. Running a business or managing a team isn't an academic discipline that you can learn at university. All such qualifications should be scrapped. Indeed, it's criminal that they're even offered.
Instead, vocational training and apprenticeships need to be expanded, especially for jobs in manufacturing and industry, but also training for trades, such as mechanics, plumbers, electricians, builders etc.
There's also a shortage of STEM graduates, who are needed for STEM jobs, which actually contribute to improving the quality of life of people by raising living standards over time.