FROM STUDENT PROJECT TO MASTERPIECE - Outer Wilds Noclip Documentary Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
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• The Making of Outer Wi...
Hello everyone! Today we're doing something a little different! As you know, last week was the FINALE of Outer Wilds, but I'm not ready to say goodbye just yet... one last thing I want to do is to watch the Noclip documentary about the making of the game, something many of you recommended to me! Let's watch it together!
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The ship's gravity crystal can indeed break. I had it happen once in my playthrough, didn't bother fixing it (because once you've lived through a few dozen loops, why bother repairing the ship as long as it can take you to where you're going?) but then made the mistake of unbuckling while autopilot was on.
Turns out having a thing that makes you stick to the floor inside an accelerating ship is really important, because without it, as soon as I got out of the seat I was pinned to the back wall with about half my health remaining, unable to move for a very long dozen seconds or so until the autopilot switched to retrorockets, at which point I was catapulted forward into the canopy and to my death.
Oh geez ahahaha
Noclip also has a podcast episode where they interview the devs about Echoes, it’s really interesting to hear how much the ideas for the DLC changed over time
Do you have a link? 🥺 🙏
Yes, please if you have a link please share it 🥺😊
@@chekote It's right there if you search 'noclip outer wilds'! It's only a podcast, so there's no video footage, but it's a direct and extended conversation discussing lots of details and how the dlc evolved with the devs!
Also! Check out Ian Jacobson afterwards, one of the artists that worked on this game - their website showcases coolass concept art illustrating lots of the older ideas the devs mention in that podcast! Also how the existing assets and designs evolved. It's just awesome
(would link if I could, but think youtube just erases the comment if I try!)
ruclips.net/video/tz8Sw6X-knM/видео.html
52:15 At the center of our planet Earth there's no net gravity. Of course you wouldn't survive the molten core...
57:03 I'd suggest looking up the achievements in your own time, just for fun. I really like Outer Wilds' achievements. They're not like other games, in that most of the achievements don't come from some kind of meaningful progression. There's no achievement for finding the Vessel, or for finding the co-ordinates for the Eye of the Universe, or for getting into the Ash Twin Project, or anything like that. There are *some* completionist-style achievements, like fully completing the ship log, but most of them aren't that. Instead, you get achievements for doing stuff that the game gives you no other incentive to do, but that you might just stumble into anyway, and some of them are pretty funny.
1:14:18 I think the puzzle in the DLC where you have to extinguish candles in the dream tower to turn off the lights in the real world is kind of like the Ash Twin Project puzzle of the DLC. They've made a bunch of changes throughout the DLC's history to try to make the solution more obvious.
Yeah I think it's pretty cool when developers find clever uses for the achievements! Some of them just go with very basic stuff that you have no choice running into, but some will use it as another tool to incentivize players to try weird funky stuff, which is nice!
Regarging your question about gravity:
- At the center of a spherical planet (as opposed to an ovaloid one, which, yes, it's a thing that can happen if they spin too fast), there is no gravity, because all the parts of the planet pull you from every direction, in a way that cancels out and results in you not being pulled at all
- Spin gravity isn't really gravity, it's just centrifugal force. When a container rotates, the things inside it try to move with the rotation, which results in them being "pushed away"
Right! you're correct about centrifugal force, that's what I meant to say but forgot the name in the moment ahaha
1:05 dont worry ive seen No Clips documentary atleast 5 times lol
1:01:00 you definitely see that, mainly in the villages in brittle hollow. You don’t see it often but you for sure do. Also most people find that stuff boring. Also also there is a podcast on the dlc (this was released before it released) if you want to listen to it by noclip
@offisian3282 exactly, like I said, you find some but it’s only a little
Great to see. Thanks.
You asked for recommendations: An interesting indie where you explore an ancient civilization on various worlds by decoding their language is Heaven's Vault. It's very chill, non-violent, and the language stuff is something I haven't seen before.
Never heard of that one, looks quite interesting! will add it to my wishlist
About all movie trailers being the same: There’s a video called “How To Make A Blockbuster Movie Trailer” on the channel Auralnauts. It’s basically a parody of how all modern movie trailers are made. I actually first heard of the video through a podcast called Twenty Thousand Hertz (it’s episode 62 if you’re interested).
Lukael, a story mod for outer wilds called "The Outsider" has recently been released which I'm still playing through. From my small amount of gameplay, I can say that it is simply amazing. You should check it out if you are some one like me who doesn't want their experience with this amazing game to end!
I'd be kinda curious to see what the fans have been able to come up with! I'll have to look into it
One of my favorites thing about the game, technically speaking, is that there is no loading screen in the game as far as i remember. Even when you are transported to the EOTU or to the dream in the DLC
True, that's a great aspect and makes the world feel truly seamless and immersive!
1:01:27 i know what you mean! When i played it i was having a hard time remembering names and which ones worked on a specific project. It’s impressive how some other’s playthroughs remember specific nomai names tied in a specific project
I think that could have helped me remember some of them easier, for example oh “it’s yarrow, the one with the pregnant wife!” “Oh it’s pye, one who loves to bring tea in the office”
Yeah! I'm definitely impressed by people who managed to remember all the NPC names and connect the dots of their personal story, but my memory of names is way too terrible for that lol
I went through the main game myself, I really liked it, but I got a little tired of it, so I did not dare to play Echoes of the eye. So thank you for introducing me to this wonderful DLC with the help of your videos. Now I sit and regret that I did not go through it myself;) But everything is fine, thank you for your attention to detail and for the quality of the videos and editing over it.
Very happy you enjoyed the videos, thanks for watching!
If I may - an indi game without violence named Heaven's Vault I guess could be interesting for you. It's also about discovering a world and history of a place. Also it's about deciphering an ancient language
Heard about this one a few times, looks interesting!
As an indie game dev, I agree with your statement there are many ways to design interesting games not based around violence. Come to think of it, the 2 main ideas behind Outer Wilds (rewarding curiosity, and exploring ever-changing worlds) can be found in a few other successful indie games out there (the first that comes to mind is The Eternal Cylinder, if you haven't played it maybe you should!). However, when I watched this documentary for the first time I was expecting more in-depth developer tricks to be revealed. It may look informative to the public, but for game devs you kind of want to hear more, and go really thoroughly into details. There are so many intricate mechanics you simply cannot guess by just playing the game, and there are so many layers of fixes (including the game design documents) that you can only hear about once the devs tell you they exist... I feel like they barely scratched the surface here, and I needed more. I wanted to know the recipe, basically... But it's understandable they wouldn't share it: a part of the creative process is to come up with your own solutions to your own problems, because every game is different.
EDIT: If you're looking for a new playthrough to watch, right now I'd say @AboutOliver is the hottest. There is so much chaos happening, and the way he thinks fits so well with how the game works. I also noticed a while ago that you have many tattoos, have you considered one about this game? I'm seriously considering my own first tattoo being either the Nomai mask, or the symbol for the Eye of the Universe! And every time I hear the end times theme, I joke about it being the tune I want at my funeral... You never know, it might just work! :D
Never heard of Eternal Cylinder until now, looks interesting! I agree about wanting to learn more about the mechanics and development aspects of the game, but I guess they can only fit so much in a 1 hour documentary like this one ahaha you could make a 10 hour documentary about Outer Wilds I'm sure and there would still be more to say! also yeah, I am considering getting an OW tattoo! I kinda wanted to get it before I was done so I could show it off in the finale or something but I didn't get a chance to.... but I will eventually! getting something from OW as your first tattoo would be really cool I think!
Oh, there is plenty of information the devs have shared, the Noclip doc itself says there is more of the documentary paywalled behind Noclip's patreon - but Kelsey and Alex have both done GDC design talks you can find on the web/youtube on designing a game around curiosity!
If you refer more to the art & technical side of the game, more recently the technical designers also went on a field trip in a Unity feature going in-depth on how they programmed and made things look the way they do on each of the planets, and on things in the DLC too (they turn the river blood red for fun!!)
You can find that in pieces on youtube, but I believe there is also a full vod. (The Art of Outer Wilds: Creator Spotlight)
Oh for real? Two Outer Wilds videos in one day? Kinda pog, if I do say so myself.
4:52 - Someone on reddit asked the devs by email if they were inspired by Le Petit Prince, and they actually responded, they said no and gave this "shortlist of inspirations" (verbatim in this order):
Games:
- The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
- The Legend of Zelda: Majora's mask
- Myst
- Antichamber
Movies:
- Apollo 13
- 2001: A Space Oddysey
5:46 - I appreciate what you're saying about violence being the default interaction in many games of the past decade, you reminded me of this discussion of how playing as a soldier in a war between real-world countries isn't even considered political because war is so needlessly normalized (don't wanna risk posting links): FtCV421T52s
30:00 - The Hearthians speak whatever language you speak, not necessarily English, i.e. the game is translated to many languages. It makes a little bit of sense if you remember that you're supposed to be one of them, so you should be able to understand them without having to translate in any way. Their writing system is basically scribbles to us, which already stretches the role-playing aspect a bit, but I guess there had to be a compromise between the two extremes. Interesting point!
40:01 - I think by "not scripted" he means that the pieces fall after being hit and not on a timer, so if you derail a meteor with your ship, that piece of land won't fall in. But it _does_ happen in (almost?) the same pattern every loop if you don't intervene because the random seed for spawning meteors is the same. They did it in this convoluted way because, like they say later in the video, they didn't want to fake anything.
52:12 - That's a real physics fact that it's 0g inside planets! ::) It's somewhat intuitive: a massive object pulls you towards it, but if there are two equally massive objects on either side of you, neither of them would be able to pull you away from the other. At the center of a planet, there's equal amounts of mass in all directions so it all cancels out. (Edit: ah well, they explain it literally right after you ask; well it's a cool fact so I'm still gonna leave it here!)
57:49 - In case you got confused about the coordinates thing: games store coordinates as floating point numbers - meaning you have a fixed number of digits but the point can float: e.g. 1.23456 or 1234.56 - you can either store a large number or a precise one, can't have both. So if you're far enough away from spawn, the coords get large enough that you lose precision, suddenly you're only colliding with objects when you're already half-way inside them, or they move in imprecise steps which looks like jitter. They solved this by making you the center point so the stuff around you is always close to 0, 0. The trade-off is that they have to move _everything_ around you, and not just you in an independent space.
Aww, what a great way to complete the saga, very cozy video ^^_^^ See ya!
-I thought about Le Petit Prince too! but guess it's just a coincidence then ahaha I was right about Zelda and 2001 at least!
-War and violence are definitely super normalized, and I'm not sure that says anything good about us as a people, but that's just how it is I suppose. We don't bat an eye at killing people in games and movies, but other stuff like sex and such is still super taboo even though it's way more natural? makes no sense honestly
-I guess that's true about the language, for their dialogue at least, but then if I set the game to french, would the little wooden signs in the village also be in french? I'd have to check but I'm guessing not. But yeah, it's an obviously necessary compromise
-That coordinates stuff is wild, makes my brain hurt just reading about it! I can only admire the genius of people who not only understand this stuff, but work it into a marvel like this game!
Thanks for following along my OW saga! ::)
Yay! More Outer Wilds from you. What an unexpected treat ❤
I'm afraid it's truly over now! 😭
@@LukaelPlays I am still going to cling hopelessly to hope 😆
Probably not at all what you had in mind, but Viscera Cleanup Detail jumps to mind as a game where the environmental storytelling is literally what you’re spending the entire time interacting with.
It’s very much the point that the story being told by the environment isn’t deep or original, but it might be good for a just-for-fun one-shot video or stream, if you’re interested in exploring non-combat games that do something different/interesting.
Never heard of that one, that actually looks pretty fun! I'll keep it in mind for the future! thanks for the suggestion
Woah, I had a similar idea. A post apocalyptic world and the goal is to know what happened to the world. I actually thought about this as like a sequel/prequel or a game in the same game universe, not the same universe 😉, as Outer Wilds.
29:59 I like to think that the reason for the hearthians speaking english is that the last universe of outer wilds was our real world, in wich a random english speaking kid with space fantasies discovered and collapsed the eye. Then their memories shaped the themes and language of the outer wilds universe.
I have been playing No Man's Sky currently on the Xbox Game Pass and it is a lot of fun for me personally. The exploration aspect is there right now which is really refreshing to see and it's a good thing Hello Games are continuing to support the game for free even now.
I know you mentioned you might stream Subnautica since it's a long game, but I normally do not watch streams at all. If that's what you wanna do, go for it, but it would be nice the VODs made available here on RUclips so we can watch them on our own time.
I am also excited to see you play Inscription, Firewatch and Return of the Obra Dinn cuz I love them all personally. And Silksong when they finally release it on 2375.
I did get to try No Man Sky again a couple years after release, and they've definitely added a lot! I think it's great that they kept supporting the game, I just wish they had gotten it right on release, as it really damaged their good faith with people...
Most of you preferred edited videos rather than streams so that's probably what I'll be doing with Subnautica! but even if I end up streaming any game, I will of course make the VODs available to watch later!
Just got Obra Dinn on sale actually so will be doing that one soon! and man, I really can't wait to have a release date for Silksong, it's been 84 years it feels
Re: "post-apocalyptic exploration games" (which I really want to call archeology games), the trick seems to be having them still be games, and then having the exploration and the gameplay lead to the same conclusion together.
For a good game with poor exploration, The Witness is a good example. Very interesting and varied puzzles set in an utterly _fascinating_ world... that you don't get to learn anything about. The gameplay does not drive to a deeper understanding of the in-universe lore. Though, the game does bring up a *lot* of interesting philosophy (and if you don't feel like playing the game yourself, I recommend watching Keith Ballard's playthrough).
For a bad "game" with good exploration/story, I think The Beginner's Guide. There is nothing the player can do except walk and observe (arguably, it's not a "game" because there is no "gameplay"), but the narrator weaves a very compelling emotional story which also serves as a meta-narrative about game design, as well as the audience's relationship with an author.
For a bad game with bad exploration, Everybody's Gone to the Rapture comes to mind. Again, just walking and observing, but the observations don't clearly lead anywhere compelling.
For a good game with good exploration, I think I'd say Firewatch (if you turn off the map marker), at which point the gameplay is navigating the world with a real map and compass, and the story is pretty good too, driven by very charming characters.
Obviously, I think there's something to be gained if either the gameplay or the exploration is good, but (as a player) I find games most satisfying when the gameplay drives the exploration and the ultimate goal is learning some kind of "truth".
Lastly, I want to recommend a game, but I'm not sure it would make good content for most creators: Heaven's Vault. The game is about being a linguistic archeologist (in a sci-fi setting), piecing together the past by visiting different locations and deciphering a dead language based on context clues. The settings are gorgeous and the worldbuilding is very well done, but there's arguably too much "gameplay", slowly walking around map areas with awkward 2.5D movement, plus the traversal minigame between locations. Either way, I recommend that everyone checks it out.
Yes, Subnautica please. Waiting for Firewatch also
1:01:01 the Nomai are not non-verbal, it's just the one Nomai you meet who can't communicate with you verbally. I think you talked over the interviewee when she mentions that the projection stones are interplanetary communication (the different colors are receive vs transmit) and that is why you find the duplicate stones. They link each planet to another and have the same conversation.
There are a few instances of written lore text (such as the first city under the escape pod on Brittle Hollow) but they are few and far between as to not confuse the reader about important story facts. You also see quite a bit of children communicating this way as sort of a "message board".
Every time I watch an Outer Wilds playthrough, I think of the Beginner's Guide. Imaging creating such a masterpiece, then following up with a GOTY DLC. How do you even go forward from that?
Thanks for the amazing playthrough!
Oh I know the Nomai CAN talk, we just don't hear their voice in the game (we don't hear the Heartians either tbh) but it was fun getting to hear the Strangers! (kind of) Good point about the duplicate stones! I think I knew about it but it slipped my mind sometimes. Thank you for watching, glad you enjoyed!
I'm going to miss your Outer Wilds videos, thanks for this reaction! Your playthrough has been one of my favorites, and I really appreciated seeing your genuine curiosity when exploring. It's one of the (countless) things that make this game so special!
Have you ever played "OneShot"? It has a similar style of exploration to Outer Wilds, being driven by personal curiosity. Its story is also super knowledge-based and has left me with almost zero replayability, plus the same cursed desire to live vicariously through another person's playthrough lol
Anyways, looking forward to you playing Firewatch!!
Thank you for watching, I'm very happy you enjoyed it! I'd never heard of OneShot, looks interesting, I'll be wishlisting it!
Before OW my favorite game was The Witness. I highly suggest it as it is non violent game too
I tried playing that but I was too dumb to solve any of the puzzles 😭
Possible games that come to mind when thinking of exploring an empty World could be Obduction or the Myst series (both by Cyan Worlds). Myst has been around quite a while so not sure if it hasn't aged well for ppl not having a nostalgic connection. Obduction is relatively new and allowed for free movement e,g, instead of point-and-click like Myst. Possibly more appealing to a wider range of ppl.
Obduction does look interesting!
@@LukaelPlays Just finished binging your Subnautica let's play. Another one of my all time favourites like Outer Wilds. Really like your thoughtful approach in general. You mentioned something about "I like taking notes with pen and paper" or something like that. Obduction is that kind of game, sticking to the tradition just as Myst before. Also another of my Top 5 would be "RiME" by Tequila Works from Spain. Rather short but very rich and deep once you get the concept it follows. Incredible storytelling just by exploring and experiencing which could really fit your taste from what I'm seeing on the channel.
Hopefully KSP2 will eventually get to a stable state. There are elements of a hidden story being made where things on planets piece together a history of another society.
I thought you can enter the Interloper the first time it gets close to the sun.
25:50 I guess i need to go watch Red Eye?
it's a pretty good thriller!
Have you ever played return of the obra dinn? its a very conceptual mystery game that might interest you, has some very interesting "outside the box of the industry" vibes as well despite the art style being pretty jarring at first.
Many people have suggested that one so it's on my list!
You should play "The Light", an obscure post apocalyptic exploration game. Not many people know about it. "What Remains ot Edith Finch" too
Interesting! I'll check into that too
I recommend you try returnal it is a game with a similar concept in a certain way to outer wilds only it has more action but it is interesting in a similar way since you discover more and more as you play and die.. NICE VIDEO!!!
Oh man, I've been wanting to play Returnal ever since they showed the first trailer for it, I'm so excited to play it eventually if I can finally get my hands on a PS5!!
@@LukaelPlays its on pc nowww i hope you play it in this channel!!!
16:41 You might like Horizon Zero Dawn for this. It does have a lot of combat but you can play it on easy just for the story.
I love Horizon!
I binged watched you playthrough of Outer Wilds last night and it was one of the better ones I've watched. My first playthrough was in VR and it was insane so if you have a headset, you can go back and just take in the views of the different planets. Nomai VR is mod you need.
Thank you! damn, Outer Wilds in VR sounds crazy....... hope I can try that someday!
Hell it’s been a long time pal sorry I didn’t comment on now walking dead video had to comment on your most recent instead.
KENNY!! nice to hear from you! I'm starting Walking Dead S2 in a couple weeks, hope to see you there!
You need to play Subnautica. So much exploration.
For sure on my list!
Hace you tried Myst games? The all revolve on player gaining knowledge. Specially Riven, which is like a big single puzzle
Outer Wilds feels like an evolution and refinement of the Myst formula. The game studio that made Myst hasn't yet put out a new game since Outer Wilds came out, but I'm curious to see if they take any influence from it going forward.
@@sashakindel3600 Cyan art Director responded me when I asked about their opinion on Outer Wilds
"It is a sublime masterpiece."
I never have! but I'm intrigued
@@LukaelPlays I second the Myst recommendation, specifically the first three games. Although it's one of those game series where, despite how iconic the first one is, the sequel completely dwarfs the scope of the original. Like a Portal vs. Portal 2 kind of comparison, Myst is good but the second game Riven is a true gem. Myst III: Exile is also a great game.
Cyan has recently announced that they are working on an official remake of Riven, but with no release date given yet. So you may want to wait on that, but if you do it's likely going to be a long time.
You should download the quantum buddies mod and play with a few subscribers
I'm usually really big on coop in games but with Outer Wilds, I don't see much point to it, especially once the game is over I'm not sure what there really is to do in there unfortunately
About “non-violent” world exploration… Have you played Disco Elysium?🤔
I haven't, though I did watch my gf play through the first part of it!