I've Done this A LOT in 10 years - TUbliss Installation
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2024
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In today's video I'm going to show you my process for installing TUbliss. I've done this a lot over the years and it's the first thing I want to do to a bike before riding it.
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Luuuv tubils, had then for 6 years across 3 bikes. I've hit some real knarly rocks at speed and never had a flat. I run 2 psi wet, 4 psi dry. Best traction ever !!
Before levering on the 2nd side of the tire, I recommend thoroughly soaking the red liner while you have easy access to insure it easily slides up the edge of the wheel. It will have a better chance of seating correctly & not having a leak. I've had leaking issues when I failed to do this step. I have 341 hours on my current tubeless setup.
Love the Tubliss system - been running them for years and recently been making trails and going through the gnarliest of gnarl and not a one tire issue. Note: you must check your pressures each day of riding and air up a bit. Listen to Kyle at 26:23 mark here and he's 100% right in this entire video. Better traction, better feel, very dependable but you do have to check your air pressure. I have mousse on the front and it feels completely dead...but I like going with Mousse in the front and Tubliss in the rear. With my tires I run 2 psi and lots of traction.
I use tubliss in all my wheels. I race high speed hare scrambles and enduro. I run my 18" rear tires at 10psi as a good compromise for high speed control and low speed traction. I use copious amounts of spray silicone on the entire tubliss system when I'm installing it and the silicone will leave a film on the red band and the tube for a long time. I run 120lbs in the tube and it seats everything better and the system lasts longer. For failure free operation replace the tube at least once per season, replace the red band every two seasons as the rim lock area gets worn out, and every couple months take one of the tire beads off and empty the old soapy water out of the rim and replace with new soapy water. Never let it get dry.
I tried Tubliss and loved the traction but hated the punture flats, I did some research on dirt bike tire design and learned that dirt bike tires are engineered and designed to be used with a tube, Mouses have no pressure adjust ability, are expensive, difficult to install , don't really last very long, and feel strange when I ran Tubliss at really low pressure I was always worried about slamming a rock at speed and putting a flat spot in my rim, although that never happened, I install Motion Pro plastic rim tape and use extreme duty 4mm tubes and run 7-9 pounds of air, depending on the terrain and conditions, and have had excellent results and have yet to get a flat, granted I'm not racing anymore and I'm not trying to be the fastest guy on the mountain but the 4mm tubes although a bit heavy, they are very resistant against flats, I know plenty of guys that like tubliss, but like all of our tire options, it has it's draw backs and isn't for everybody.
same here. i would just add that to prevent flats from sand or mud leaking inside the tire and rubbing on that HD tube, not only use the rim tape over the spoke nuts... use silicon under both the rim lock nut and the valve stem nut. it needs the silicon because the rim is not really flat and does not seal 100% under the sides of the nut.
while putting silicon under the valve stem nut, it is also smart to leave the nut up away from the rim 1 or 2 mm, so that if the tube shifts in the tire you can see the stem angle change. i like to start out with the stem at a slight leading angle when installing the tire. it normally shifts slightly in the first 10 hrs (as the rim lock distorts the bead a bit) and ends up perfectly straight from then on. but if you break a rim lock you will be able to see the stem at an angle and fix the thing before it wrecks the tube.
I just run heavy duty tubes for the MX track and high speed sandy desert trails. No flats yet 🤞
Thank you! I successfully installed tubliss on my first try thanks to this video. My local shop wanted $250. I laughed at them and walked out. I fix planes, figured I can do this even though I HATE changing tires haha
300 hours on my tubliss only 1 flat , im stoked with it
Only thing i dont like is running super low pressure like 3psi and slamming logs and roots i always stress im going to hit the rim , it will probably be fine but its always on my mind 😅
Yikes, you scratched the crap out of that rim. lol. I wish I could be that nonchalant about scratches..lol.
ive changed out tubliss a fair amount of times. ive gotten pretty good at it now. tire changes are pretty quick and i like the adjustability of it. pretty much everyone i know runs tubliss. theres barely anyone i know who runs bibs and a few who run tubes.
Here waiting on the Thursday 1/18 2 bike giveaway ! 👍
For the different tires and races I run it’s nice to be able to fine tune the pressure, makes a world of difference for me.
I’m with you, never ride a bike without tubeless!!
5:05 so what I did before the tape I degrease my rim and heated it up with hair dryer it sticks much better than on cold rim
Thank you for all the content! Successfully installed Tubliss on my new Husky. Pumped to test these out
Great video Kyle, thanks for showing your tips to novices like myself!
Thank you. I'm definitely getting these for my DRZ400. It's something I always worry about when cruising the back country, especially alone.
Great 👍, does this work on an adventure bike equally well? Main concern is preventing flats on a cross country trip
I have had Tubliss on my last two bikes, I really like them for where and what terrain I ride, I have had no issues. Well lubed during install is everything, I have a bottle of Murphy's oil soap in the shop which is cheap and works well also.
Dualsport bike with tubes: using armorall the last 6-7 years and noticed tires slipping on the rim with rim locks torqued well. Used wd-40 off and on for 30 years before and they seemed to slip less. Seems like the fish oil absorbs into the tire where as the silicone doesn't. Armorall was always nice for field repairs due to the residual.
Trailbike: Tubliss seems to lock everything into place regardless. Nice system, but frustrating when you can't tell where the leak is coming from. Stans tire sealant helps finding the leak with a visual easier.
Great video Kyle, thanks for taking the time to post it.
Yes it is super worth it!! Just installed it a couple months ago
Gotta love TuBliss my choice for over a decade, never a flat @ 8 psi in hundreds of miles over Hawaii's sharp gnarly lava flows, but here on the mainland a front knob got peeled back by rounded Desert rocks creating a big leak that would only hold air for 5 hr a ride, if it went flat so what, I keep going, so I put up with it for 10 rides, adding Slime & Fix-A-Flat would not plug the big puncture, so one morning I was eating Oat Meal and had a red neck~flash~fix, Hey! I bet Oat meal will plug that hole. So using some tubing, and being a human compressor, I blew a cup of cooked oat meal into the low pressure side and Viola! no more leak, I got 700+ miles on that tire that I would have tossed @ 150 Mi.
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Top Ten if a knobby tyre could talk
10. O no! another lava flow?
9. He's roosting rocks all day
8. Shit! he's always on the gas
7. Ha, ha, yea!..I spit my rider off
6. Ouch! Bib Mousse tube installation
5. The bastard locked me up on asphalt!
4. Come on dude not another muddy moto?
3. Damn! he's flicking that clutch lever again!
2. Hooter chick asphalt burnouts are hard on me
1. No shit! I gotta traction a 1,000 mi off road race?
~Gasser Classic~
Frigg'n oatmeal?!?! That's hilarious! What a great idea! HAHAHA! 🤘😎
I prefer tubes hands down. I would go tu bliss in the back and moouse insert in the front if I was competing. Low pressure has a point where it's good and a point where it's bad just like tuning a guitar you can be above or below pitch. A tube keeps my traction to the ground. Just my opinion I'm not arguing with anyone. 🔥
As anyone else wondering when the hard enduro bike giveaway is? And yes I agree tubliss is the shiznit
It’s tomorrow, the 18th.
I am gonna steal that 2 iron finish - great job.
gonna try that pre placeing the last spoon trick next time. that second side when putting it on has always been rough compared to my tubed bikes
I also use tublis since I ride dirtbikes and I am happy with it.
Great informative vid. Good job.
That system looks like a real pain to install, not for me, but good to have options.
Just picked up my first dirt bike, I ahead run tubeless on my mountain bikes so looked at options in the dirt bike world.
I just installed this on my front tire today (waiting for the rear to arrive), what a pain haha. Honestly one of the hardest parts was removing the front tire, maybe because it was new? I dunno.
Excited to try these out though!!
Been using Tubliss since you introduced this system to me via video a few years ago. I use Armor All on and in the tire while first placing the wheel into the tire, and then once the tire is on, I use the Armor All again, in place of the soapy water they show in the instructions; you simply cannot use too much! Also, I've done some experiments with tire sealants since latex based sealants, like Stan's, are not going to be compatible with Armor All. One brand I find is compatible is Flat Out.
Great Video!
Never had a problem with tubliss
Nice work. Was wondering how these were installed.
I raced the RMEC circuit for 10 years on tubes. I ran always 14 in the front and 12 in the rear. I used the new tube inside an old cut tube with baby powder for lube. In 10 years of racing I had 3 flats. Each time I was pushing it too hard in really rocky sections and pinched the tube. But only once did I have a flat in the front. Luckily it was near the gas stop so I rode in and changed the tube at the gas stop. Only lost a few points at the check before. The last flat I had I rode the last 40 miles on a rear flat and came in first in the B class anyway at a national Enduro. (Block and Tackle 1990) As long as you backed off a bit on the big sharp rocks, my setup worked just fine.
I am not sure the Tubliss has enough advantages. Tire changing is no longer easy. (As a bike mechanic and racer I probably changed more like 1000 tires). You still gotta worry about getting a flat and carry a plug kit. (granted that is easier and faster than replacing a tube). I am not about to put that slime in my tire/tube. I hate that stuff. Its so sticky and nasty and a ridiculous mess to clean up. But that means that a cactus spine can give me a flat now. Never had that happen with my setup.
Tubliss wasn't yet invented when I was racing, the Mouse system was just out but after changing tires for customers with this, I didn't like it. Too much effort and way too expensive.
I am also not a fan of Armor all. That stuff is maybe OK if you use it regularly, but like a drug, if you stop using it for a month, it will crack whatever rubber or plastic way faster. I use soapy water on the bead.
I think the best system would be what I have in my bicycles: A tube that had two ends that fit together. It does not go around the full circle (from Gaadi). That means you could change the tube without removing the wheel from the bike. I have done this on our bicycles a few times and it is way easy and fast. Why doesn't anyone make this for Dirt Bikes?
just my 2 cents.
Also, what was that tool you used to insert the tire in? "our little tool here" at 15:11 looked like just a flat piece of aluminum? Does that come with the kit?
The flat piece of metal when he put the rim inside the tire does come with the kit
very helpful, thanks
I hate doing the tape for these too. Other than that part of the install I much prefer the system to tubes.
Nice job👍
I like tubless over moose for th adjustment of it.even finished a race with a tire puncture
I’ve never tried tubliss. I need to order some.
Do you recommend Stans sealant in the low and high pressure side? Just went tubeless...love the added rear traction and pressure flexibility!
Maybe it’s just me, but I find that I always have over spray of Armor Al on the disc brake. I always clean it with brake cleaner before reinstalling.
Have you try the lucioli inn tube , looks interesting
Is mounting the tusk talon easier than there tusk d sport? That d sport is crazy hard.
I agree Michelin bibs do feel dead but the Nitromousse do not.
I run Nitro mousse and so does almost everyone i know who rides seriously here in the Northeast. Tons of rocks here, can't risk the flats charging hard with Tubliss, especially in races.
@@OtisFlint Yeah pretty much everyone I ride with went to mousses too. Some of race and some don't but we ride a lot of rocky trails in the Ozarks and were sick of flats. A couple guys tried the tubliss but then we were always stopping to plug tires.
@@christobey4198 Yeah a few guys i ride with have tried tubliss, some have stuck with it, most have not. Its great for the rear tire, slower speeds to maximize traction, but in the front, not so much. Have seen several failures in front tires, and the tire doesn't always stay on the bead. It happened to one of our guys 5 miles into a 70 mile enduro. He rode 65 miles on the flat.
mousses are the only way to go.
Use a conduit deburring for the drilled hole
Mousse guy myself... Most buddies are now as well... No worries, no plugs, no flats, no reason not to these days.... But to each their own they say, it's good to have options...
Lets look at the value you brought with this comment. You came to a product installation video to comment about how you don't use the product, but it's totally cool if people do. How about you grade yourself, what grade do you think you deserve?
Haha, thanks buddy... I would venture to say you wouldn't grade my comments very highly... And I'm sure Bro theresen doesn't mind the feedback judging by how many DBC t-shirts are in my closet... You may have missed the "to each their own" part in said comment... I really don't give a fu@$ what you use or what you think. I think Kyle makes good content on this stuff and I will continue to watch and possibly throw out some more low grade comments.... So troll away my friend, happy RUclips'n😎
Yes, I'm sure he loves your comment and if he's aware of what is in your closet, clearly you have a very close relationship. Everyone deserves love! @@scottyparutube
I want to try mousse but I have tubliss on this bike. No reason to take off. I am promising myself and you that I will try it on my next bike!
I actually started running a Tubliss/Mousse combo on my front tire this year with a Goldentyre 216 fatty. It means I can air all the way down for crazy traction, or I can add some air for higher speed stuff. So far it's been amazing! Installation is... interesting. @@snowygnome
Almost everyone lost their mind when they saw the scratches on the rim. Not me though. Love my tubeliss system.
Your no Jay Larson but, you got it done.........lol Never had any luck with those things, I just run mousse's.
Mr Wolf Mousse Balls FTW!
I know you're "not allowed" to run them on the street but can you fill the low side to 15 psi so you aren't destroying tires jumping from trail to trail?
Hey. Once the tubeless system is on would you need to take it off and clean it when doing a tyre change? Thanks
Looking to add Tubliss to my soon the be received Ducati DesertX Rally wheels . Question : Can i use the bike on road and highway driving to trails ? If so any speed restrictions ?
i give you a like for the big effort
My rear tire sealed up easy but my front I can’t figure out why it won’t seal, I replaced the tape lubed the hell out of it not understanding why the low side will not seal. Any suggestions?
How u like the talon vs ve33s?
I wonder if I can use the Tubliss system on the front wheel of my TW200? I believe the width of the wheel is 2.5" so not sure if it's possible. Does anyone have experience?
How come your compressor won't do 110 psi? Don't most do around 130 psi or so?
Dude that system looks like a serious faff . Rim tape🤦🏼♂️ 2 air chambers 🤦🏼♂️ . My mates like the nomouse system which is very similar.. I'm all about the lucioli. For me it was a game changer .
100 times at $100 each, woah! Almost as much as a new bike. Just installed them on my new bike, can't wait for the snow to melt so I can try them.
So.... would you say, you would, suggest tubliss?
How is tubeless on sandy terrain
fine. just run a bit more air in it
I am surprised that you are not using a tire changer. So much easier on the back.
Question Kyle or anyone else with tubeless experience …. Bought a used bike with tubeless and every week when I go to ride the tubeless has lost some pressure and I have to pump it back up …. Is this normal for tubeless ?
Yea lol every ride check it and air it up
yes
its because that rim tape cant seal in air perfectly. i'm guessing we could find the perfect glue to apply at the same time as the tape and it would get better. maybe shoe-go. would be messy but would dry once its all installed. only downside may be cleaning the rim later when doing it again. wire wheel on a drill autta work though.
i think using silicon where the stems and the rim lock go through the rim should help with the leaks as well.
Pull the valve core out of the low pressure valve and add 4 ounces of mtb tubeless sealant.
I use Orange Seal and a Stans injector.
That will seal any slow leaks in the tire.
@@yukonjon5964 for my install I had to clean the rim of moose lube. No matter what I did it wouldn’t stick properly but after wrapping it around a couple times it stays in place.
Is say as long as your riding dirtbikes it doesn’t matter.. but for me Bibs!!
Tubeless is 10x harder to change than a bib.. and 3x harder than a tube.
Surprised you don't use that soapy water bead up that Tubliss advises on.
It causes corrosion. Armor-all is better
Appears RM has raised all their prices. Would love to help you out but prices are better at Slavens.
Slavens charges shipping, RM doesn't, and you get a few bucks back with RM cash. I just priced out a large order with both and it was slightly cheaper with RM after you factor in shipping and rewards.
Funny , I just did one too and RM was $45 bucks more including the 15.64 RM bucks I'd receive. $12.50 shipping from Fedx is worth it for me.@@OtisFlint
I ran them for a while then went back to tubes......
I use slim or Stan’s when I do mine . I use slim or Stan’s 8 oz .Punctured a tire and seals hole . Plus it’s a good lube for easier mounting
Be careful not to ArmorAll your brake rotor!
Spend a fortune on bikes then proceed to scratch and chip all the black paint on your wheels. 😂
So he’s done this over 100 times but still can’t install them without scratching up the rims? If I purchased a new bike and requested TuBliss be installed and upon delivery of the bike I discovered the rims were scratched front and rear and on both sides I’d be pretty pissed off. 😡
I was surprised aswell when I saw the damage.
@@rehepeks I’ve only done about half a dozen tyre changes and I can still do it without damaging the wheels. 👍
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No one cares
So you call it “tubeless” but you actually put a “tube” in the tire that didn’t have a tub in it to begin with. Why is it called tubeless then?
Less means take away.
Tubeless are silly why is it called tubeless when it has a bloody tube 😂😂 one thing I have noticed is that the people who run tubeless can't ride lol like they are very slow careful riders wich is not A bad thing , but I think it's the real reason why they run tubeless so they can just bash into things without getting a flat wich is just silly you should learn how to ride instead of making your bike strong enough to handle your abuse, I ride a yz 250 no fly wheel no 18 inch wheel not running 2 psi I run 13-14 psi have never once got a flat tyre in my hole life guess I'm just lucky 😂 last week I was out in a new spot and there was some mad hill climbs, there was 2 older blokes they where on KTM and a Husky 300 they both had tubeless and there Tyers look like they where about to fall apart like Evey single knob was ready to just push off with your finger 😮 I seen this and couldn't help but to laugh out loud 😂 and I said why the bloody hell are those Tyers looking like that for , they both got upset and said they are tubeless and we run really low pressure so we can get up that hill wich he then pointed at and he said that's how the Tyers are ment to look , then he told me to try get up that hill with my 19 wheel and tubes on a motocross bike and he asked what psi I run I said 14 he laughed and said Goodluck you can't make it up , I turned around went up the hill and came back down before they could even load up there bikes they where shocked and just said you must of been riding a long time to be able to get up that , then I told them to pump up there Tyers because you can't ride a motorcycle with 2psi in the Tyers is just not right , people say your contact patch is bigger with lower psi 🤦 yes it is to a point , but if you go too low your Tyer shape will change and just be a flat bit of rubber between your rim and the ground wich may fell like you are getting traction when you are going slow up hill but you really are not getting more traction then you would having your Tyers pump up properly, you need to keep the round shape of your Tyers in any situation for the knobs of your Tyer to actually go into the dirt and grab , he then said I must have a flywheel weight on the bike 😂 keep your wheels as light as possible and keep them pumped up and you will learn more and be a better rider for it , it's the same thing for all the guys out there doing wheelies on sports bike on a flat tyre thinking it's there skill if you can't do it with a pumped up Tyer then you can't do it !
Cool story bro…. It is TUbliss, bliss, you know like joy, delight, etc. Not tubeless.
well then , this story sounds like that 60yo man at the pub 😅
@@enduro-parts-aus yer mate that's why all bikes come with tubes in them 👍 I don't drink nor do I go to the pub so I wouldn't know
just like racing it's always more the rider than the bike. the reason their knobs are ripping off the tubliss tires is that with the low pressure there is more movement as the wide contact patch keeps flexing as it roles. the solid knobs can't flex so the rubber around them gets destroyed. the sidewalls also flex too much and heat up.
if you are going slow on wet rock or on muddy roots then you want a tubliss gummy hybrid. if you can hold some speed and can accept more risk by hitting stuff faster, then you're right, a normal tire works just fine at 12psi rear and 14psi front (depending on tire brand and conditions).
fish on 🎣 and they come with tubes because its more effective for companies to do so, if there was another product they could use that was as cheaper they would use it @@zackiaryruddick701