WOTM: The Complete Cumulative Case Against Christianity
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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This was originally released in three parts. After several requests, I decided to edit the three separate videos into one video for my patrons. Now, I'm releasing it for everyone as a resource to share. Enjoy!!!
i'm still enjoying tomorrows show.
Ah, I thought I'd heard this before and that it seemed like a Bri-Bri from the recent past. This is definitely a more easily shared format, so thank you!
@@HarryNicNicholas LOL!!!
What I always wonder, I always ask, and never get a straight answer about, is if God INTENDED for apologists to make a cumulative case.
Especially for recently found pieces of evidence.
Isn't that weird?
Did God want for a specific piece of evidence to go missing for thousands of years, condemning thousands of people to the hell of the unconvinced, and make the evidence appear just now?
Is God hiding compelling evidence that will appear in the future, after I'm already dead and presumably burning?
DID GOD WANT APOLOGISTS???
Apologists disagree about how compelling the evidence is. But they all agree it's fine. This is the right amount of evidence.
Less evidence, nobody believes.
More evidence, our free will gets violated (or something).
So the evidence is fine tuned to be precisely this. 🤔 Compelling to some, and not compelling to others (especially the most educated).
So why are there apologists?? Why don't they just shut up? God already put the right amount of evidence at our disposal, to convince the percentage he wanted to convince, so maybe they should shut up forever. Otherwise they're violating our free will (or something).
@@misterdeity At 13:48, you said "Mark and Luke" but probably meant Matthew and Luke. Is it too late for adding an onscreen correction?
Brilliant sir.
Agreeing with Dalton here..
Yeah, you can't have something be BEFORE the first instance of time, because time is the distance between events. It must exist as soon as you assert anything to have happened.
Craig knows how legless his argument was/is.
When WLC claims that there was nothing, before there was something, then claims there was a god, he has already shot himself in the foot; for a god is not nothing.
Surprised that Bill can still walk.
If he tries to chew gum and walk his peristaltis shuts down. Not enough brain power for all systems. The guy is like hard plastic crocs. Ugly and uncomfortable. Yet he still exists. Proof that god is evil.
"Excuseagists" is a great word.
"...if you think about it, but even more so if you don't."
- Excuseagetics quote for the -ages- instantaneous timelessness.😂
I have spent countless thousands of hours debunking every aspect of Christianity over a period of over 60 years, and i finally came to the key reason i can't believe in it:
It's just so stupid.
Yep, that covers it.
@itsROMPERS..., I completely disagree with you!! It's NOT stupid! It's incredibly Stupid. With a side of "Childish". Other than that, Peace and health to you :)
@@Reason1717 oh.... _YOU!_
God told me you would say that. Which proves gods existence. I bet you feel terribly foolish right now. 🤣🤣jk
The mental gymnastics of William Lane Craig attempting and failing to exploit the logic of retrocausallity combined with the video edits is hilarious 01:48
@@mistahtom I'm partial to the classic Christian "bait and switch" of doggedly arguing for the essential requirement of a prime cause and then casually remarking, "and oh yeah, it's Jesus".
Nice try.
"dogs: best species ever"
*Cats have entered the room*
😼
the universe is fine tuned for the cat's whiskers.
"Christian excusagist" instead of "Christian apologist" as they call themselves. I love it! 🤣
This whole mess is due to a guy named Moses, who probably ate too many mushrooms, thought he was having a conversation with a talking burning bush.
The Moses character was a brutal killer though.
@@eatfrenchtoast Do not forget Joshua...
You can't use temporal articles "Like 'before' or 'yet'".
Somehow, still manages to use "prior". Without realizing it's not a tenseless verb.
Can’t wait until this is public and can be shared!
I'm gonna release it in August when the month is long and I need an extra video. Thanks for reminding me about this on Patreon! Blessings to you. Indulgences as well!
I stand in awe of the stunning word salad mastery of Mr. Craig.
He needs to team up with Jordan Peterson & Deepak Chopra for a trifecta lecture tour of _holy_
_quantum spiritual meta insight_ in to the vast consciousness of the universal mind of God.
"brilliant, really, when you think about it, but even moreso when you don't." LMAO *that* was brilliant
Just wondering- how are we (people, men, women, black, white, yellow, red, brown, tan) made “in the image” of something “timeless, space less, without form?” 🧐
@@theunknownatheist3815 We’re hate-filled, ignorant tribalists…(?).
@@theunknownatheist3815 TheraminTrees made video about how "made in image of god" doesn’t work in any way, no matter how this image is defined.
Don’t worry bout it…just believe it. 🤣🤣
The like is for Sparky and Mr. Twiggles, RIP.
Christian apologists sound like me when I was 6 years old, explaining to my parents that it didn't happen like their eyes are seeing it but like such and such.
William Lane Craig's preposterous exercise in logic is akin to the Three Stooges explaining quantum mechanics. Of course, the Three Stooges knew they were perfecting buffoonery as an art form, Craig is just a maroon, as Bugs Bunny would say.
@@kentjensen5216 Bonus points for the Bugs reference. He was my favorite!!!
I thought, though I could be wrong that at least one of the Three Stooges was very highly educated, science wise. Admittedly smart enough to do comedy rather than science as a profession.
( I was trying to think of another 'ough' to put in there but came up blank. only got 3. )
You joke about God turning off his all-knowingness, but my JW family member actually believes he does. Anyway, I love your work and sense of humor.
@@milohilltop3691 WLC believes that shit, too.
Brian at his most passionate and altruistic. Lovely!
wow, what a beautiful sermon. Amen Mr Deity
I never cared for Sparky, but when they killed Mr. Twiggles, they crossed a line.
Ouch! I almost hurt for believers after that perfect, mind bending take-down. After I left Christianity, it took me several years before I became embarrassed for the absurd BS that I once believed, but it happened. I realized how foolish, ridiculous, and unfounded my beliefs had been and that's when I went to work studying religion, only to find that all religious scholars know that Moses didn't write the Pentateuch. Most don't believe the Exodus story or that Moses was a real person. Most believe that the Israelite's were Canaanites... and so it goes. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John weren't written by disciples. Interpolations are everywhere in the Bible. What I was told in Church is BS and most educated pastors know that.
I had all the Mormon stuff on top of that!!! 😬
I don't feel the need to argue *against* Christianity since Christianity has *in no way* demonstrated that it is based in reality. I only argue against what Christians say the rest of us should have to do because of their beliefs.
BTW, God has clearly been many from the beginning (pun intended), hence their name as Elohim, a reference to plural gods.
I’m working on a video which includes that subject right now. Look for it next month.
I've never really understood why Christian philosophers phrase it as God existing outside of time, when all they need is God existing outside of our time.
Why couldn't God exist in a different time line? Heck he could create time lines as much as he liked on a whim.
I think they would be better off saying their God is not constrained by our time. To imply that he would not be constrained by any time, sounds like a philosophical dead end.
I suppose the concept isn't in the bible, but then neither does it have the concept of God creating time.
I can imagine a different timeline or the existence of a god/s outside of our time, sure, no problem, but that still doesn't answer where this god/gods came from ?
Blame Aquinas. His God has to be the creator of absolutely everything - including time. Otherwise, there’s a Being theoretically greater the Him who created time. It’s all a bunch of mental masturbation.
@@misterdeity It's phenomenally stupid. They don't want God to have a creator, and yet literally everything else needs a creator?
The special pleading is literally out of this world. And I maintain the Craig's shifting the goalposts with that "everything that begins to exist has a cause" just shifts his problem down a chain without addressing it. Oh and I'd love to see him prove that his God didn't begin to exist. Defining a God that doesn't need to begin to exist, doesn't make such a thing real.
We ask for proof of God, and we get yet more stacks of unsupported claims, that the arguments require.
And even still, if their God wasn't needing a creator, his qualities and aspects also wouldn't need a creator. And if existing requires time, that time is intrinsically necessary for that God's existence. They don't even need to say that time was created, since it could have been as eternal as their God, They might even claim that time to be an intrinsic aspect of their God.
At least that would give their absurd claims a loophole.
If God can be love, why couldn't God also be time?
All the yearning for a "perfect" deity, just yields a logical impossibility. And the more perfect, the less logical things get.
Let me save you all 17+ minutes...
The "case against christianity": "Faith" is defined as "belief without evidence"... "Moron" is defined as "person of faith"... (you are welcome...)
Other than those nitpicks it all makes perfect sense.
Well done. It's fascinating how stupid Christianity appears to anyone outside of it. But please... please tell me Mr. Twiggles made it out alive.
That was awesome, Mr D. Laid it all out with their stories and words (ooops, Gospel, I mean). Thank you!
Poor old Low Bar Bill, he does try. He is not a philosopher, he is a "Christian philosopher". Which is an entirely different species.
Oh no, not Mister Twiggles. The bastard!
Oh, hey guys, I’ll be right back. The most important thing that ever happened to me (in 1989) needs to be written down. I’ll send you a fragment of what I wrote, so that you may remember. 🙄
That would be swell. I'll take that fragment and make an oppressive religion out of it.
In 1989 the lord your god (me) will see my prophecy come to pass as the wall of Berlinia will tumble to the ground as the lord your god (me) commanded. What other proof do you need? 🤣🤣
15:48 and they keep coming to our doors two by two, as if to prove how thoroughly they fail to live up to this promise
Lol. They obviously didn't read the manual.
Matthew 18:19 "truly I tell you that if 2 of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven".
In the best of cases if the apologists' god exists it would be an immensely complex unfathomable being, which makes all the profets' and apologists' confident B essing self defeating.
3:33 look; i've taken huge doses of psychedelics and have watched the clock tick backwards. however, i've never heard so much nonsense from a supposedly intelligent person, as i just witnessed at that timestamp, from WLC, apologist/excusigist extraordinaire. i think he is often disingenuous, a charlatan, who is clearly intelligent, but practicing deceit, but has that gorgeous stentorian voice, and he looks like david lee roth...
WLC's fumbling makes a perfect case for why people should be humble about human fallibility in comprehending "outside" of time and space and err on the side of "I don't know".
The alternative is to spout useless nonsense like an idiot and be shown to simply be talking yourself up, as WLC does with all his question -begging in the use of temporal words.
Physicists and mathematicians have been seeking to answer these questions, they are not going to be solved by an apologist who claims to have all the answers yet his very words contradict themselves on the logic before they even venture into claims of evidence.
Excellent summary!
I’ve always said my deconstruction was a cumulative case against God. It wasn’t one thing, it was a hundred things, big and small, that said a tri-omni God could not exist.
HOORAY! I’ve been waiting so long for this!!!!
@@CharlesPayet I told you I’d get it out this month!!! Promises made… LOL! Thanks for the encouragement. I probably wouldn’t have released this to the general public without your calling for it.
2000 years in the making.
As an ex-Catholic you hit on most of the doctrinal points I struggled with, great laundry list of why Yahweh makes no sense. I'll add one more point, Yahweh is understood to be a perfect being. To me that means all aspects of god's personality are maximized. So this begs the question why did god have the need or desire to create the universe? Unlike mere mortals who gain knowledge and/or satisfaction from doing stuff that is impossible for Yahweh, as all aspects are already at maximum. In addition this triple-omni notion of Yahweh does not square with how the bible describes his actions.
Yes, and on top of that, he created a world filled with the stuff He hates (sin), and knowing that He’d be causing the eternal suffering of sentient beings if He created the world as is! Ridiculous!!!
@@misterdeityWell god was bored so created his own horror movie; even sadistic gods must get their entertainment somehow!
Let's not forget that Yahweh has an origin story that of being a son of El, had a wife (Asherah) and was at one time a minor god in the Canaanite pantheon of gods and goddesses.
God is a prankster?
That would make sense!! The Germanic Gods are real and Loki hasn't been killed by Heimdallr yet, so he created Christianity as a prank, but before Loki could reveal that it was all a prank, his prophesied fight came to pass and he was killed by Heimdallr. And so, Christians have no idea that their God was really a prankster and their whole religion was just a prank!
WLC is as slippery as an eel in a bucket of snot.
We have all been Holy Ghosted. Time to get over him, no matter how much you want him back.
OH NO! Not Mr. Twiggles!😭😭😭
"just don't vote, Please" that was epic!
Absolutely Awesome!! The contradictory beliefs are staggering when combined like this.
I've told Yahweh every day for about a week now to appear next to me and prove it exists in a meaningful way. For some reason, nothing happens every time. Hmmm....... 🤔
So basically time won’t give me time, and time makes lovers feel like they Got something real, but you and me know they have nothing but time. You know, kind of a Clock of the Heart thing.
LOL!!! So... Boy George was a Christian(?).
Brilliant! Very entertaining and interesting! Thank you! ( I love the one liners that flashed up on the screen! lol! Very innovative)
Why can god just exist but the universe can't?
Because the totally self-sufficient God decided He was lonely and wanted people to worship Him. But only of their own free will. Or else!
@@poigntless because priests need your money.
Because universe doesn’t make them feel special and is bad safety blanket.
@poigntless haha totally misread your question! Because God is magical and the universe isn't. The universe can't just exist because it doesn't make us feel special enough. It's not going to let us live forever in a safe and loving place. And that's so sad.
I can't remember how I stumbled across your channel probably 9 months back, but honeslty have no clue why you have such little traction on this platform. Your content is much more palatable than most atheist/agnostic channels that aim to be humorous (in my opinion). Wish I could support other than viewing but sadly can't for now. Hope the content can continue to flow though.
You can and are supporting the channel. Sub, like, comment, get notified, and share! And I agree with you completely! 😊
This is a brilliant refutation of the foolishness engendered by religious belief.
The older I get, the more firmly I agree with Hitchens that religion really does poison everything.
@@markgordon5266 it steals everything, too. Minds, money, land, morals and credit.
You can't know what's going to happen tomorrow if you can change your mind at any moment. Omnipotent and omniscient at the same time, nah, can't happen.
@@BeenDownSoLong... and can’t be omnipotent if you can’t give yourself foreknowledge.
I think that the omnipotence means God knowing every possible result of every possible event, including results of choices and decisions. This would allow free will. It is a ridiculous concept, but the religionists get round it with the magicality of God. I seem to remember some apologist (possibly Low Bar Bill) saying something like this.
@@lidbass I mean, it still doesn't allow free will because we still couldn't freely do anything, only and always following paths known before we were born. But yeah, Billy doesn't understand the problem because he's paid not to understand but to give excuses to Christians.
@@lidbass More verbal masturbation.
@@archapmangcmg Well said.
Glad to see Alex O'Conner make a cameo, one of the new horsemen.
Except he would likely consider keeping and riding horses unnecessary suffering, so would be opposed to being a horseman. He’s probably more of an electric scooterman.
@@InigoMontoya-LOL!!!
Faith is not a virtue.
no! no! not mister twiggles!! i DO hate god, i DO iDO!
Great video, Brian!
Sorry to have to nit pick, but the terminator T1000 wasn't able to walk through walls, it was able to pass through the holes in a barred gate.
Jesus was born of two virgins. That's a knee-slapper right there! ; )
ABSOLUTELY love the sarcasm!!
you're doing the lord's work
I still think WLC would make a great Batman villain.
Batman growls: Why did you kill those kids?
Low-Bar Bill: God wills it!
Nazi solders: Gott mitt uns!
The Baffler
The Bumbler.
eyebrowman.
@@whlewis9164 that’s Peterson!
Funny how god seems to always be upping sticks and moving to a more exclusive neighborhood whenever we send up a new satellite! We finally drove him beyond space and time!! Like we are shitty neighbors!
Saw an article on how many galaxies there are, and the article stated that we only observe 3 percent of the universe!
we can only see what is effectively a (very large) bubble, thanks to the speed of light, outside of that bubble could be infinite, and even if it is not infinite, it could be so big you can't tell the difference. and, as it's expanding too, "the edge" is moving away too fast to be reached anyway.
@@adamstrange7884 3 percent is a low estimate of the total universe. I mean, some of the models have it infinite but excluding that, the 42 billion light year radius we can see may only be 1/250th of the total radius, making the volume of the total millions of times larger than we can see. There’s just no way at the moment to tell how big the total universe is, only the Hubble bubble,
But other than that, it’s 100% true.
This Jesus culture didn't use the number 0 in their math. No wonder their calculations were off.
Thank you for your gentle Shock and Awe.
Thanks for all your work and entertaining presentation. (sincerely, but primarily for the 'algo', which I've learned is even more helpful than my thanks alone)
Waidaminute! I thought I coined the term "excusagist" two years ago...and now I am seeing it pop up everywhere.
Great minds!
I've come to the conclusion that our universe and all in it was the result of someone having a wank out in the shed in the next universe over. Realizing he was about to have "the Big Bang", he stuck his member into what he thought was a knothole. It was actually a small tear in his spacetime, and it was into this that he jizzed our universe into being. Of course, he hasn't given our universe a thought since then, but why would he? He didn't know that his "Big Bang" was going to be the start of another universe . . . .
Believe me, I'm trying REALLY HARD to not make any jokes about a particular popular Christmas song here . . . .
If I WERE to believe in a god, I'd be inclined to believe in a character like Red Green, puttering around in The Handyman's Corner, sticking stuff together with The Handyman's Secret Weapon (tm). That would explain a lot -- like duckbill platypuses.
What you described, even if it's low brow is something not to dissimilair to many other 'creation myths' of ancient cultures.
Some Asian cultures it's about some god monkey birthing the world.
Some indiengious believe reality is the result of a dream of greater sleeping beings.
Others have it as the world rides on 4 giant elephants on top of a cosmic god turtle.
The Abrahamic Religions are of course also unbelievable, but I find them boring and a lot less interesting then the prior religions they ripped off.
E. G. God and Satan, Satan is nothing more than a rip off from the Persian Zoroastrian Religion.
The flood is a rip off of Gilgamesh
Catholicisms trinity is a rip off of Hiduism's God heads.
Sorry, STILL not as weird as Scientology's story.
I confess. It was me. But in the upstairs bathroom. The weed makes me horny. What can I say?
@@misterdeity, I don't know what you WOULD say, but I CAN suggest what you MIGHT say . . . You may remember a cartoon superhero called "The Tick". At one point, he laid eyes upon an eating utensil with a handle and a smallish, shallow bowl on the end and decided that "Spoon!" would be his superhero battle cry. Maybe the next time you're about to create a universe, you could shout, "Spooge!"
@@AdmiralBison, I guess Catholicism ripping off Hinduism's godheads is better than ripping off Oppenheimer's Trinity?
Just remember: "Luxembourg is next to go/And, who knows? Maybe Monaco/We'll try to stay serene and calm/When Alabama gets The Bomb!/Who's next/Who's next/Who's next?
"The *instant* the decision is made, time *comes into being* ." Does WLC not understand how that is begging the question?
This reminds me of the people who say they can't "understand" singular "they" while literally using it without thinking, in the sentences right before and after that statement.
At 13:50 should be - "the authors of Mathew and Luke".
Well, when you put it like that...
Said no theist ever.
LOL!!!
One cannot exist outside of time but still be confined to it's constraints...that is a non sequitur.
The best single, rational, and logical reason that the "good god of Abraham" can't exist is reality itself...that god nowhere fits the actual reality in which humanity has always existed.
Well said!
All powerful all knowing and a three-piece until it's not😂
I have often wondered just how long it took Gawd to decide to create time.
Also, terrible Sagan impression.
Thanks, man, for what you do here.
I did warn you. 😉
You sir are a shining light
Thank you
So nice of you!!! You’ve made my fortnight!
@@misterdeity most welcome
William Lane Craig struggling to explain the first instant of time only needs some Jordan Peterson to make it even more illogical and insanely stupid.
You hit the nail on the head and wrists and feet...I'll pass it along
Yes he was running around in circles and then running up a set of steps that started nowhere and led to nowhere.
An Escher painting comes to mind.
Yay!
Another interesting, informative presentation!
❤🎉😊
Here’s a thought for you, just a lil bit of a tangent…
Social media is responsible for presenting new lines of thought to what were once “closed off“ (concerning alternative/liberal/ progressive lines of thought) communities. This is wreaking havoc on the traditional cultural norms, including Christian patriarchal authority.
As a reaction, cries for tying religious beliefs into legislative action are being implemented. An attempt to “enforce” faith? Ironically, according to many Christian theologies, during the “pre-existence”, there was a great battle in heaven, and a no holds barred, guarantee of adherence to a “divine path” was Lucifer’s plan. Supposedly, Lucifer was defeated.
Apparently not.
Absolutely! It's why the internet is where religion goes to die.
Ahh. I'm so sorry that you lost your little friend. I bet he had the best home ever.
The first image of god is DarkMatter25, right? If so, well played!
Luna, The Crunchy Cat makes more sense than William Lane Craig. And all that Luna does is eat crunchy foods.
absolutely great job as always.
The Exodus - angels must have trotted after the people with giant pooper scoopers. Tah-dah! Evidence handled.
As a Jew, I'm glad we stopped at Book 5. This is just all too confusing and nonsensical. Thanks for the clarification I think. I think Mike Johnson's ancestors were involved in all of this.
@@iglapsu88 stopped at book 5? King David doesn’t show up until book 7 or 8.
@@roebuckmckinney I wouldn't know. I stopped at 5
Another home run. Hilariously brutal! LOL at your facial expressions.
Wow! The first 'cumulative case' that actually does what it promises to do.
Of course, Make Eden Great Again would be MEGA, so... 😁
Sorry, but Victor Orban already took that one--Make Europe Great Again. 🙄
@Crimethoughtfull they can share.
Or, wait, maybe they can't.
I've downgraded all apologist thought to the LLM level.
They're just stringing words and concepts together until they come up with something that just makes sense semantically and justifies their preconceived notions.
Their minds must be a mess of swirling concepts battering against reality.
The worldwide flood thingy was very effective at ending evil; that's why the 6 O'clock news is filled with heart warming stories about compassion and puppies. The Creator is prone to changing his mind though; he got very mad at people for "un-aliving" their kids in the Old Testament, but as years went by, he decided "un-aliving" your kids was such a good idea, he did it himself to please himself. Now we all patiently wait for his un-alived kid to come back and "fire" everyone that didn't accept the flimsy and deeply flawed stories he expected us to believe. Have a Nice Day. 🌄
Next Sunday I'm BBQing shrimp wrapped in linen and wool. Over sticks.
Don't forget the snake handling!
I'm an atheist and I could make a better explanation of a deistic creation than WLC.
yep.
I love you Christians. I'm not Christian, but I love you Christians. Get out and vote. You'll never have to vote again.
All a gullibility test for cult membership. You are just supposed to just pretend to understand the nonsense. Kind of like MAGA.
How time actually works, courtesy of Pink Floyd:
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way
Tired of lying in the sunshine, staying home to watch the rain
And you are young and life is long, and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
Sun is the same, in a relative way, but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death
Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught, or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say
i went to a friend's brother's house one day back in 1970 and when i walked through the door i was given a tab of acid a pair of headphones and told "listen to this" and that was the first time i heard dark side of all the way through. one of the best record productions of all time.
a similar thing happened the first time i heard simon and garfunkel "bookends" _that_ was trippy.
Tenseless verbs?
@@helenaconstantine yeah, can’t expect Billy to know English or cosmology or anything else, though he thinks he does.
He meant you should use atemporal speech but since he don’t words good, he couldn’t even live down to Low Bar Bill.
Snake talks to lady about a magic tree. What's hard to believe about that?
god designs dumb woman - sounds like religion to me.
Why was it called a serpent BEFORE the supposed punishment that MADE it a serpent? Chew on that one a bit and EVERYTHING else the morons spout becomes even more retarded... #RetardedIsNotAnAttackOnTheDisabled