Ocarina of Time - World Record History and Progression (Any% Speedrun, 1990s-2017)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Read the description for a brief description of the video, a few minor corrections of slight editing errors, notable links, and new record improvements since the release of the video:
𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐟 𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧:
This video provides a history of Ocarina of Time's any% speedrun from the game's release until November 2017. It should not be considered extremely detailed or comprehensive - going through all of the contributions and discoveries would take too long and wouldn't flow particularly well. However, I cover all of the major discoveries and provide simplified explanations of the technical glitches. I also cover some of the more obscure but interesting details.
The video was somewhat rushed near the end of production and I didn't polish it as much as I would like. Hopefully you will enjoy it anyway, there are just some minor issues and editing errors (documented below). I will aim to improve my quality for future videos (this one is definitely a step up from my previous video).
𝐂𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬:
I referred to Mitjitsu as "Mitijitsu" at multiple places in the video. I wrote his name slightly wrong in the script and failed to double check - sorry about that!
At 4:05, a corner card appears for a clip from Marc Rutzou that I removed, but forgot to delete the corner card for.
At 26:49, there's a slight error where I accidentally show an entrance table screenshot of 0166 instead of 0165 for the Fire Temple.
At 27:18, I forgot to add a corner card for the clip from Exodus which shows the credits warp.
At 32:48, I accidentally said "March" instead of "May".
At 45:02, the date in the corner card reads 07/00/2014 while it should be 07/09/2014.
At 47:42, I said "there's only a 12.5% chance that a deku nut drop will occur from this enemy". I actually should have said "these enemies" rather than "this enemy", because you actually get the opportunity to kill two enemies which cumulatively give you a deku nut drop chance of 12.5%.
At 51:43 onwards, I accidentally wrote 2016 instead of 2017 in the corner cards.
Beyond these small errors, I am very confident that there are no other errors in the video. However, please feel free to let me know if you spot anything and I will add it to this section.
𝐑𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬/𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐠𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐬 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞:
Check out www.speedrun.co... to see all of the most up-to-date times, including new world records that have happened since the release of this video.
𝐌𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐝𝐞𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐠𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐜𝐡 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬:
Bottle Adventure: zelda.speedruns...
Reverse Bottle Adventure: zelda.speedruns...
Wrong Warp: zelda.speedruns...
Get Item Manipulation: zelda.speedruns...
𝐎𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐤𝐬:
WR History Google Doc: docs.google.co...
Archived page shown at 10:08: web.archive.or...
Entrance Table: wiki.spinout182...
Credits music by Professor Kliq under Creative Commons license (creativecommon...) (the credits music is Satellite 2 by Professor Kliq).
![State of Play | September 24, 2024 [ENGLISH]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/fVs0suPHAX8/mqdefault.jpg)
As always, I recommend reading the description. If you notice any errors in the video let me know and I will add it under corrections in the video description. This video is not fully detailed (that would take way too long), nor is it as polished as I would've liked with a few minor issues, but hopefully you will still enjoy it a lot! Please feel free to leave any criticism that I can incorporate into future videos.
I feel that trying to do history and progression at the same time ruined the video because you didn't focus on either well enough.
Ebonmourn I disagree. Its good to explain why these things make it faster. Might have made it a bit long, but its fascinating to see how game design allowed for this kind of speedrun.
A little bit more music would be good! And the ending was indeed a bit rushes but I understand this took a ton of work
Great video, happy to see more speedrunning content!
Pls do 100%. I know itd be alot of work i guess but thatd be so cool. Hundo is such a cool category.
I don't think it's my place to do 100%. I believe that ZFG is considering making a 100% history video at some point and it would be much better done by him.
2015:"Ocarina of time is dead at 18,10"
2020: yo lets do a sub 10
one of the few good things to come out of 2020, ACE in OoT
And now it is at 7:13
@@TheDarkMaster90 That’s insane. 20 hour game reduced to 7 minutes.
2021 let's do sub 7
Every time someone say a game is dead it ages badly.
But to be honest I guess when ppl use that expression they actually mean that it's dead *if no new strategies are discovered.*
(which happens all the time 😂)
The fact that you first asked summoning salt if you could use his video concept already deserves a like
Not sure why he did that. He obviously has no ownership of the concept.
@@Uebeltank out of respect for summoning salt. The speedrunning community isnt super large, and summoning salt is known for making content like this. This is essentially treading on summoning salt's territory of content creation, and so asking for permission first, although not fully necessary, can reduce a lot of potential unnecessary drama.
@@VocalMabiMaple respect for Salt is one thing but Uebel is right, saying WR progression concept belongs to him is like saying the concept of speedrunning belongs to Narcissa or like trying to take out trademark on the word "We"
@@shoutplenty Summoning Salt has put in the hours and research when creating videos in this format. He doesn't "own" this WR progression video format, but he originated it and gained respect in the community with his professionalism and hard work with it. Any respectful person with any amount of humility would ask his permission when doing a video of this format.
@@dustinbiester4401 I feel like this WR prog video that predates Salt by 5 months (ruclips.net/video/pNYZ7OiNvjY/видео.html ) speaks louder than any amount of virtue-signalling in a YT comments section lmao
I’m sad this dude didn’t take off and produce speedrunning content full time. He dropped a handful of bangers that I’ve come back to multiple times over the years. It’d be cool to see a video showing the progression since the making of this video
Right?
His vids are meh at best
You can have your opinion iam, you’re wrong but that shouldn’t stop you!
Great work!
Oh hey, it’s you
Yoooooo!
I hope you have an Beautiful Life.
yes, *an* beautiful life.
Are you the guy who got Apollo Legend to kill himself lol
I've always heard bits of information about the history of this game from people like zfg and narcissa, but it's nice to see it all put together into a well-made video. Very well researched, explained, and edited!
AverageTreyVG you did a fantastic job on the SMS history too, man.
AverageTreyVG Yeah, the SMS video was great.
AverageTreyVG did u really just call cosmo narcissa lmao
artisticSass yeah that was his name at the time
I think you inspired of lot passionate speedrunners to record and recall the history of their most dedicated games after making that amazing SMS WR history video. It's nice for a newcomer like me to have an idea of how the dark ages of speedrunning was like, and the improvements that have been made since then so that I can learn from it. Or just appreciate the history lesson, either one is just fine. XD
wow this has been so long ago that I completely forgot about that race where I told him to leave skype lmao
really informative video good job retro
Thank you for finally making me understand the wrong warp and why it behaves differently in fire temple and the child dungeons with easy to understand graphics of the areas being loaded.
Znernicus ya he did a great job
it's good for a basic understanding, but doesn't explain why you don't get stuck in a cutscene after the wrong warp :)
I've always wanted to do a full video on how wrong warp works, but it's very hard to get everything together in one big picture
Bismuth has a 2 part video going more in depth on wrong warping. Check it out!
@@mzxrules bismuth did a2 part one all about it
@@PolarBailey I know, I collaborated with him on it :)
Great video!. Always wondered about why the iQue stopped being used. This must have taken forever to make, very well researched.
It took me just over 2 weeks. Honestly I probably should've waited and put more time in to polish it more, but thanks a lot!
true fact: I killed the iQue
Yeah, like you don't even explain the fastest time to beat Ganon, or the fastest way to slide across the map.
Jrose11 hi
@@mzxrules you mean apple?
Where did you go buddy!? I liked your videos
Hey guys we have this great new idea for improving how you play games-
Twin Galaxies: *BANNED!*
The thing that pisses me off about Twin Galaxies is their stubborn adherence to "no exploits". In the competitive pinball scene, entire strategies are developed around exploits; for a perfect example, look up "Bowen vs the right ramp". This particular game features a cannon on the playfield that is fed from the right ramp. It can be aimed to various features, including the right ramp. You can probably guess where this is leading.
That’s just one of the many reasons it’s considered a joke
I like how you did the progression of finding glitches and warps first and then the world records. I liked that.
I've watched this whole video now the second time, It's just that good. :) thanks for making.👍
nice dragon double flip
This video was fantastic! Such an in depth and thorough retrospective! It's fascinating to see the lineage of discoveries this game gave to people, even 20 years later people were still playing the game, and like you said it's almost like it was all by design. I think in may ways this game is still the greatest game of all time, not only because of how revolutionary it was, but because of how perfect or imperfect the programming was that allowed people to do all these things. I think it's beyond a work of art, it's a thing of beauty.
At the end of this video he's hoping for a sub 17 minute time in any%
Now we're hoping for sub 7
sub 3
1 year anniversary for this video and 378k views. Well deserved, this was really good
Your explanation of the wrong warp glitch was PERFECT! Ive never understood it until now! Thank yo so much!
Great video. Good to see someone from the UK making content on speedrunning.
BA requires bottle on B and bottle on B causes RBA. i still don't know how they found BA first. i wish RBA was BA and BA was RBA lol
What's the difference anyways?
BA is getting any items on B from bottle on B. RBA is manipulating inventory with bottle on B.
Speak English please
sva !
A.bit late here I guess, but oh well.
BA (Bottle adventure) let's you put items on your sword button. So, pressing B could let you pull out bombs, a bow, deku sticks, etc.
RBA is when you get items you shouldn't from having a bottle on B. So, if you had RBA set up and were still using the normal ocarina, you could use RBA to just replace it with the ocarina of time. You could also just give yourself bombs, bombchus, etc.
I've stopped watching Oot Any% runs around 2015, and this video explained all the new cool strats invented since then really well. Great video!
I have been waiting for summoning salt to do this and you made my wish come true. Thank you good sir.
This is SO INTERESTING! I love finding out the history of the breaking of a game over time. It's like this hidden history that only a few people know about. I'm glad there are more youtubers making this kind of content.
I have to say thank you for this Video. Even if i dont really in to speedrunning, I love the World Record History and Progression Videos.
I would speedrun but I dont have the time to dedicate to one game. I don't know how i will change but it is still a dream to speedrun The Fast and the Furious (2006) for the PS2.
We will see how life goes.
pandavova You can do it man! Hope life goes well and allows it!
You should make it happen! I think you’ll do great at it!
Wow, this was a great rundown. The kind of depth and quality I'd expect from a SS progression video, and you're awesome for being so respectful to Narcissa as to run everything by her first.
waluigiwithachainsaw at least it works. What does not being a dick have to do with politics anyways?
waluigiwithachainsaw low effort troll. Sad. You could do better.
Spencer Fowler that's one of the most original insults I've read in a long time. Kudos o3o
Excellent video!!! I was around to see Narcissa (Cosmo) set WRs but have been a bit out of touch with route updates since then, but your thorough explanations cleared things right up. Cheers
This video was fucking amazing. Simply fucking amazing. I'm a 32 year old Zelda fan and grew up playing it but no where near touched or found the glitches. I was on the edge of my seat the whole video wondering what crazy thing these guys had to do to get their times down. This is just epic and it's because of this any% video that I'm a fan of this genre. Video game speed-runnning. It's like video-game hacking but it's fucking legal!!!!!!!
And now TSA has gone on to win every category in every game ever after he changed his name to TAS
46:08
Made me almost tear up, congratulations dude! I know the feeling when you’re so happy/excited/proud that you don’t even celebrate you just throw down whatever you’re doing & put your head in your hands
This channel had so much potential
Mom: we are leaving in 20 minutes
Touji: ok just let me beat oot real quick
I love the summoning salt eps, but you really went above and beyond in researching this, even finding old MTV news articles! Well done
very well done, inspired me to dust off my old copy of OoT and remember how awful I am at the game. lol
Great walkthrough of the history. A close friend of mine is really into Speedruns, but I knew nothing about OOT speedruns going in to this video. It was incredibly accessible and informative.
Why does 2007 look like it was 10 years ago...
...wait
Jacopo Barberis haha 😂
I've been hooked on different games speedrun history.
id love an updated version of this someday, as things are still being discovered and we’ve had to split the categories into “any%” and “defeat ganon” thanks to the finding of SRM.
The story of OOT is truly amazing. Thank you for making the great video.
...And then ACE happened.
Ive watched full fledged films shorter than this and yet most of them arent made this well, I wouldnt be surprised to see you boom up in popularity with videos as properly edited and paced as these, had me interested all the way through and I dont even pay attention to oot runs, 99% of the information I know now I learned from this video. awesome job man!
Wow. What an amazing video. Watched it from start to end and never got bored while watching it. You should upload more often if you can. Your videos are wonderful
retro
@@retro-meister 😬
I’m a huge fan the summoning salt channel. I dig that you’ve taken up the world record progression premise. Keep it going.
Sad to see what happened to Cosmo tbh, used to enjoy watching runs of this game back in the day. Great video dude, very comprehensive.
...not sure if transphobic asshole or just well-meaning dunce
@@LithiumThiefMusic
Once the transition happened she became a huge asshole. Changing all of her content she streams and banning people and claiming they are against her now and her transition because they unsubscribed because they didn't like the new content. I believe she came to her senses however and now starting what she (I believe atleast) enjoys playing games like smash and Zelda again. Not sure if she does runs though. And apparently she was money begging for a bit though.
You sir, deserve my like as it is clear that you have done much research and have a lot of knowledge about this topic. Bravo, retro, bravo.
2017: 17 MINUTES WONT GO DOWN!!!
2021: look at how stupid we were
not enlightened might be a more accurate word Lol
Retro, youre very good at this. You and Summoning Salt both are great speedrun historians. Thanks for making these videos!
Dude I respect you so much for researching all this to find all the sources. You truly are a legend sir!
I've lost count of how many times I've watched this video now 😂 it's just so good
I'll never forget watching Cosmo's 18:10 wr live as it happened. Never seen a man so on top of the world.
"Any% is dead!"
Oh Lord…
The higher you rise, the harder you fall
I had been waiting for summoning salt to make this video, but you beat him to it. Great job, but that ending tho
Outstanding video. Loved this game, and now the record is somehow a staggering 16:34.200 by Lozoots
What? The record is like less than 7 minutes
Thank you for making the video I almost made myself. Like you, watching SummoningSalt's history videos inspired me to start thinking of an OoT history video, but then today I got the thought to just search to see if it had been done in great detail, and it was. So thanks for basically making my video for me, saves me time XD.
This is some incredible work right there, cannot imagine the amount of time that you've put up on this.
omg. finally. ive been waiting for this game to be covered in the 'history of THIS speedrun' series that is covered by various channels and runners in numerous spaces on yt
To think that a 5 hour run would be absolutely broken into a much, MUCH slower time. That's my favorite thing with these world record progression videos, seeing the ridiculous improvements made over time. Funny enough this game's history reminds me WW and it's barrier skip glitch. Incredible to say the least.
Slower?
That was awesome i enjoyed the video. i had fun watching how all the runs were done and beaten. as of today iheard theres one called ACE.😀
imagine being robbed of a fishing rod from a “hero”
12:23
Couldn’t be me
Great video, watched in one sitting! I've been a bit worried that the scene is a bit dead, but glad to hear Torje is making discoveries!
Absolutely amazing video. Thank you for all the time and work you put into this.
Amazing video man, you went back to the roots, all the way to where speedrunning of this game currently is at. You explained everything perfectly and i have learned a lot. Keep up the work man!!!
You got my name wrong BTW.
You're free to use variations if you want, but it's Mit-Jit-Su.
Yeah I've just realised that I wrote your name incorrectly in the script when recording this video. Sorry about that, should've double checked, my fault.
I've added a "corrections" section to the video description to note this. Thanks for letting me know.
Max Montiel My existince is wrong
wrong warp
That was nice of u to nod to narci. As crazy as shes been lately. Still a historical figure in speedruns. Awesome video! I love these history of videos.
We need to bring back the old ways if figuring out tricks and posting them
Amazing video sir! I've always wanted a documentary of OoT as a speedgame, and this fulfills that on every level.
I remember the notorious 18:10 when Narcissa said "Any% is dead" one of the very first speed runs I watched, I'm happy its not dead and sub-17 is on the edge of reality right now...
Narcissa was Cosmo at that time, so you mean Cosmo said
Love how much you focused on the end and didnt just skim forward once you hit Tower skip territory.
Wow really well made video man. Sometimes we tend to watch videos without actually taking in that each of these clips had to be downloaded, organized, edited and put in proper chronological order. This was like watching a documentary. I'll say it again. Really well made dude. And i almost wish I could go 5 years in the future to see the progression of this game.
I am that card game speedunner
Absolutely incredible video I’ve watched oot any% since 2012 and it’s amazing to see how far the community has come. I believe that if the runners and glitch hunters keep at it we can hope to see a sub 16:50 someday! That would be amazing and I hope people never stop enjoying this amazing game with such a complex history
Salt would be proud and jealous
Pickled Hitler I don't think he should be jealous. While this is very informative and thorough.. I think salt's content is a lot more refined and entertaining.
I haven't watched many of his videos but I think he has a much different style that overall tries to be more entertaining to a much wider audience. My videos are not refined by any means because I've only made two videos and haven't much of a chance to get good at it. I would really like to make more videos and improve my quality substantially but I struggle to think of video topics.
Should have let salt make this video. He doesn’t sound like he’s reading out loud the whole time.
He's still free to make his own video that you can choose to watch if you want. Sorry you didn't like mine (and fuck you on the side :P).
retro hahahaha
man this video was abolutely amazing. I was just looking for something in the background while I cleaned but I was just glued to the screen thanks to the magic of your explanation! Thank you for the great hour of entertainment
39:53 - My ears in headphones: "Not all heroes wear capes..."
i’ve watched this at least 5 times... this was a piece of art
When I was 11 years old, I finished Sonic The Hedgehog in twenty minutes. No glitches.
I tried again and again and again later when I was in my teens and I could never even get close. My teenage record was about 45 minutes. Some glitches.
To this day I have no idea how in the universe I managed to do this often as an 11 year old, but Never again later on in life.
if it was in-game time you’d be placed in about 46th-48th in the world or if it was real time you’d place in 8th-17th holy hell young you was insane
Well it's simple you imagined it, it never happened
How someone could put a dislike to such great video... It was awesome thanks for your hard work
this needs a part 2 now that ace exists
Awesome video. It's so cool to see how far speedrunning has come. I remember as a kid wondering as I was playing games what was faster in terms of playing games but never imagined how far this would come.
Great video, thank you so much for making it!! I am a longtime Zelda fan and recently stumbled onto the world of speed running and have really been enjoying watching videos. You should consider making an updated Part 2 2020 edition with all the recent changes!
52:08 This aged well
tsa is like that character whos your friend but in a plot twist he was the main villain the whole time
It's a good video but even if you're referring to a trans person before they transitioned or came out, it is still best to refer to them by what they go by now. How that part of the script should have been written was "and cosmo. It should be noted Cosmo has since transitioned and goes by Narcissa. Even though a lot of the videos were before the transition, I'll be referring to her as Narcissa."
Womp womp Boo hoo cry me a river who cares cosmo or narcissa or anyone does not have the power to dictate how others speak you would have to be an ego filled narcissistic person to think you are so above everyone that you get to tell them how to speak and what to say
What a great video. Thank you for your hard work! Got me through my last hour of the overnight shift like it was nothing :)
Torje's hair makes it look like he's setting WRs with 1 eye
Contrary to popular belief, I do see with both of my eyes
@@Txrje do you piss anything but excellence
This was so nice to watch, so much nostalgia, great work man !
If only the you that made this video could see the absolute madness that is the sub 10 min ACE runs we're doing now.
Great content.
Props to summoning salt for giving you the go ahead. It's cool to see people who inspire RUclipsrs are chill enough to let people copy their video style.
That "pointing somewhere" shit is just from another dimension. It's like a game within a game, really.
Amazing video, dude. I literally knew nothing about this whole scene, so I very much appreciate the effort you have gone to in sharing the insight.
Thanks for doing this. As someone who likes watching speedrunning but would never do it myself it's so awesome to get this wealth of information served on a silver platter.
ooooo, hes back
It's crazy how these glitches were discovered in a progressive manner rather than the final method first. If they weren't discovered in this way a lot of these glitches would be considered unremarkable and forgotten!
Interesting that Michael Damiani was a speedrunner.
Easy allies?
He used to own a couple of Zelda websites back in the early 2000s too. He owned three pretty popular Zelda forums called Zelda Headquarters, Zelda Headquarters 2 and The Hylia (now owned by somebody else). A lot of discussion about his old runs took place there, but sadly little to no archives exist.
No way!
i was so happy for him... then i found a video calling him a cheater for splicing his runs.
So sad... but hey, thank to this runs he talked with miyamoto. :)
Bad english.. sry
Amazing videos, love how well put and informative this is. Keep up the good work man, best of wishes on your RUclips channel. You're an amazing curator and the community need more people like you.
Awesome video. Incredibly interesting and informative. I remember my first experience of speedrunning was those Cheeseoman videos shown early on, and I've been following this category for several years, but there were still tricks in this video I didn't know much about.
One thing that might help you decide on which jokes and asides to keep is something that I used to use to practice tech presentations:
I'd write the script with no humor, maximum information per sentence. Then I'd read it aloud to a couple of people (this is incredibly important), and note any flow issues, or any jokes they or I had told.
Repeat this process a couple of times, with people who have varying levels of interest or knowledge in the subject matter. Your script will end up flowing much better, and sounding more natural in tone.
Remember that you want to be conversational but formal. Varying tone and expressing emotion are okay, but words like "whatever" and other fillers just make you sound bored, unimpressed, or unscientific. Given the vast amount of research you've conducted, that's a tragedy.
Be friendly, but be the authority.
EDIT: oh, and given just how long your videos are, I would suggest you record it in ... two minute chunks? Maybe up to five minutes? That way you have a chance to breathe, drink some water, and reset before filming the next piece, and you can also go back and re-record anything you don't like.
He doesn't need your input, who dafaq are you anyways?
This video is amazing, what a work clearly presented. Good job.
best hour ive had in a while
Excellent video. Didn't even notice it was an hour long, it was very engaging. Well done!
You didn't cover Ganon's Castle early, which is for Light Arrows on B. I discovered that back in 06, but no one ever did it because it was thought to be too hard. It's not just the trick, but it's also the thought of pulling it off and then having your run killed by not being able to one cycle Ganondorf.
There are many things I didn't cover. Going over everything would take far too long and I was pretty scared about going far past the hour mark. I just wanted to cover all of the main stuff and have it flow well. But yeah, I know about Ganon's Castle early being an issue with that route back then, but didn't feel like it was necessary enough to discuss.
OK, I understand. It goes without saying, the trick is bloody hard.
now that's what I call a bomb boosted hover (off a seam) to a backflipped shield-dropped bombchu boost
Is that a quote from an old SDA thread or something?
That is what Acryte called the trick ruclips.net/video/zspn2hqz_vs/видео.html
Awesome that these progression vids are being made. Really entertaining but also good to capture the history in a great docu. GG mate.
I deeply enjoyed this video. A lot of it reminded me of Narcissa Wright's any% run at AGDQ some years ago where she explained the history of the run, except this video is much more thorough. Really liked the scripting on this video, and the delivery. Great work! I also love the meticulous use of archived footage of all these runs. That must have taken a long time to compile.
A few points of critique, only because I like the video as a whole:
-The pauses in game footage seemed out-of-place, and made me think that my video wasn't working.
-The mastering on the audio sounded very uneven. I couldn't listen to this with my headphones because there were times where you would put emphasis on a word and it would be much more powerful of a sound than the rest of the sentence. I don't know if it's a delivery issue, or a production issue, or even a hardware issue, so I can't give more substantial feedback, sorry.
-The use of Wright's old name felt out of place. It's generally accepted when talking about a transgender person that you use their current name & pronouns largely as a matter of courtesy. I think the way that you went about it in this video was tactful and understandable, but it still felt strange for you to refer to a transgender woman as if she was not trans. (edit: the best way to have gone about this I think was to give the explanation of why you are using the name Cosmo, but still use her pronouns.)
zegafregaomega He’s still a guy, regardless of what he wants to label himself as, chromosomes are chromosomes. This guy making the video doesn’t have to refer to cosmo as anything if he doesn’t want to, I’m surprised he even went through the hassle of explaining it.
I always find it aggravating when someone insists that people accept them for who they are and at the same time force them to call them some other pronoun. If I look at you and you look like a guy I’m not going to start pretending to appease you. If you want to be called narcissa, I’ll call you that, but I’m not gonna call you a woman and say “her” when referring to you.
That's really unfortunate. I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people so I won't try.
zegafregaomega I do care about other people, I just choose to follow biology and science. If you want to dress in girls clothing, call yourself a woman and cut your penis off, by all means go for it, it’s your body your life do what you want. But don’t expect me or anyone else to refer to you as a woman, because you’re not a woman, you’re a man.
Do whatever you want to do with your own life, but when it starts affecting MY life and people start demanding to be called a woman even though they have a dick and balls and a beard, that’s where I draw the line.
If someone calls him cosmo, he and EVERYONE else should let it the fuck go, because just because he decided to be a woman doesn’t mean everyone else has to recognize him as a woman, and it just makes you look less tolerable by telling this guy he should refer to cosmo as a woman. Fuck that.
I am the person who politely asked that the content creator be aware of what people consider courteous. You are the person who is offended at the prospect that people expect others to make conscientious considerations. I don't see anyone making demands here, and its alarming to me how volatile this conversation got over a very simple piece of feedback.
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