If you know where the AMD "Fine Wine" claims come from, just look at the 780 Ti vs R9 290x. The 780 Ti was the faster GPU at launch, yet now gets less than half the performance of the R9 290x (37FPS vs 99FPS). Truly baffling performance from Nvidia here
@@matrixfull That's when AMD hit the reset switch on going bigger and bigger, and shrunk the die dramatically. Which let them double performance each generation leading up to the 5870, which dominated performance and only cost $380 at launch. They couldn't quite make the same magic happen with GCN, so nVidia was able to catch up over the next few years, with notable exceptions like the R9 290X, which matched the GTX Titan in performance but cost half as much. RDNA is AMD hitting the reset switch again. With RDNA 2 greatly improving power efficiency, it's looking like a repeat of the Terascale reboot progression might be on the way. We'll have to see how big Navi stacks up to Ampere later this year.
780ti performance start degrading years ago mid Maxwell life cycle (lack of optimisation for sure). once Pascal get on the shelf, it became an abandon hardware. The card performe still nicely on old title, but on anything that come out in the last 2 years, it's utterly trashed.
Kepler was a TERRIBLE uArch! It was Nvidia's transition to fully unified clocks - where with Fermi and earlier, shaders were double pumped (clock rate was 2x GPU clock) - and Fermi was MUCH easier to program for. The biggest problem with Kepler was its AWFUL Memory Crossbar system, second to that was the TERRIBLE setup for the Kepler SMs, with 192 CUDA per SM but just ONE Dispatch processor- it was REALLY very hard to program for max performance out of Kepler. Maxwell fixed all of this. No more memory crossbar setup, the SM was changed to 128 CUDA sub divided into 4 groups of 32 CUDA each with TWO dispatch processors, for 8 dispatch processors per SM! Pascal is simply Maxwell on speed. Sure there were a couple MINUSCULE upgrades, mostly smaller features. In the end though, Maxwell should perform 1 to 1 with Pascal when the same number of shaders and ram are run at the same speeds.
After 7 years... My beloved HD7950 from Sapphire has become the "minimum recommended" GPU in so many games, that's sad.. I appreciate it sooo much that you still include those oldtimers. #BenchmarkKing
I just had to swap back to my 7950 from my gtx 770 to play doom eternal it is by far the best aging graphics card I have owned with drs set to a 60 fps target it works very well bairly dropping below 75% res scale and out of action sits at 100% Might finally be time for a upgrade though.
I have a HD 7950 and have OC it for 5 or 6 years to 1100mhz gpu and 1450mhz vram and get about 25% increase in performance. Awesome card in it's time and I have a gtx 1060 but will never get rid of the 7950.
Bear in mind this is running underclocked (factory 800-900mhz) You should take the HD7970 / 280x (1ghz) performance and do x0.875 Edit also it has 1Tflop of double precision vs a 1060ti which has 0.144, a gtx 980 has 0.179ish AND when it first launched kepler didnt exist and it was fighting fermi GTX580's.
I'm starting feeling it. I'm with you in this one my brother ... My beloved RX 580 was just called "sort of low-end hardware" for today's standards :c .
@@andyfalc I love those Radeon HD's. My 5670 from 2010 is still doing its thing and only cost me £78! Then the RX460 really let me down so I had to go for a GTX 1050Ti (which is still pretty good). Now a GTX 1660Ti and doubt I'll be upgrading for a while. I hope AMD will have great cards again for when I do. It's looking plausible.
Man, Kepler is really getting put out to pasture in a game like DOOM Eternal. Recall if you will the colossal R9 290X vs GTX 780 Ti battles of years gone by. In DOOM Eternal, the R9 290 (non-X, it should be noted) is ~268% faster on average, and 258% faster for the 99th percentile frametime. None of the Kepler-based GPUs put out anything like what I'd consider competitive performance, with even the top of the stack GTX 680 4GB from the 600 series getting crushed by the HD 7790 and HD 7870, neither of which were even remotely in the same ballpark in 2012. The GTX 780 is somehow slower than the GTX 680 4GB. Something weird is going on, it might be VRAM related and it's almost certainly partly due to having zero driver optimisation, but wow. Hell, the Hawaii GPUs (R9 290/X and R9 390/X series) are topping the performance of the GTX 980 in this game. It's not a huge margin, but it's there and fairly impressive given Maxwell was such a huge step forward from Kepler (and it really shows in a game like this). I'm a little surprised the R9 380 and R9 380X did quite as well as they did, being a bit faster than the R9 280X/HD 7970 GHz. It seems some of the architecture improvements in GCN 3 are being put to good use in a game like this. Even the R9 Nano shows a decent jump over the R9 290 and R9 390, and that's showing arguably worst case performance for Fiji. That said, you'd be pretty happy if you bought a Tahiti based card back in 2011/2012, as the HD 7950 and HD 7970 are keeping up pretty nicely in DOOM Eternal, even if it's at the low preset.
Gtx 680 has 2gb vram not 4. Kepler never played well whit vulkan api so no surprise there. From what i see in the benchmark the 780 is on top of the 680, not sure what u talking about.
@@ionitaconstantin1052 there where 4gb versions released there where also 6gb 7970's 4 GB 680 www.evga.com/products/specs/gpu.aspx?pn=E847A80B-4508-46FC-8154-60FE2F163569 6 GB 7970 www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-hd-7970-toxic-6-gb/ As for gcn 1 is asynchronous compute still disabled in the drivers I don't have aots to do a test rn but the big difference between gcn1 - 2+ is more asynchronous pipes I believe it's 3 for gcn 1 and 8 for gcn 2+ although this information is a bit hard to come by.
GTX780Ti - 37FPS average HD7970 - 65FPS average R9 290 - 116 FPS average Remember that the 780Ti used to compete with the R9 290X but it is falling (way) behind even the 7970!
I think this shows just how heavily Nvidia depends on driver tricks to maintain performance. Great when you have the latest and greatest, not so good once they loose interest.
AMD didn't really have a choice since when they optimized drivers for their latest GCN architecture it benefited all their older GCN GPUs too....but yeah it just goes to show how much driver optimizations make a difference....we should all start demanding a 3-5yr optimized driver support warranty when we buy a new GPU! LOL
@@shadowpuppet6707 So Kepler is way past that. Even Maxwell. And Pascal is close to being out (it is 4 years old). Seriously, optimizing for old PC hardware makes no sense, there are too many configurations, unlike consoles. And neither does buying high-end hardware for longevity. You should swap you video card every 2-3 years, no matter which segment it is.
@@THU31 You should swap when you need to, there's no time window you should follow. I would probably use my dead hd 7770 1gb for a while longer cause it was enough for my needs back in 2016.
It's worth noting that when the HD 7970 launched its competition was the GTX 580. And here it is easily beating the GTX 680 and the GTX 780ti. It's only 30% behind the GTX 970. Tahiti is some magic silicon.
The HD 7970 was directly competing with the GTX 680, still very impressive though, given that it now beats the cards that were way more expensive when it was rebranded as the R9 280X, such as the 780.
SuperManBeemerrr Charles well normal people don’t usually do that, and I commend you for doing so cause that’s a lot of work and time that’s dedicated to doing that.
@@SuperLC1010 Most people can technically do that, "test 30 GPUs" in a day. Even in an 8 hour day, that's about 15 minutes with each, with a fiver every hour. The real question is - what is actually being tested, and how automated is it. what does the test procedures, process and QC look like. If the testing doesn't require hands-on "at all times" during the test, you can test just about as many as you have "test systems", simultaneously.
Lol, I literally bought a 290X in late 2013. Considering this is now well more than 6 years old and even the 2011 7970 GHz still holds on strong, I really don't get why anyone would have gotten Kepler other than the lower end stuff. Ofc, back when the 7970 GHz still was like $400 or even $500, buying a $200 660 Ti was more sensible to me - mind you back then Nvidia had a driver advantage. But later on, Radeon all the way.
it was the opposite actually. if you really understand what happen. when future game start using DX12U performance enhancing feature (VRS, mesh shading, feedback sampler) we probably going to see nvidia turing will pull performance ahead of AMD RDNA1 based GPU.
Hd 7790 released H1 of 2013 ~$159 for the 2gb version GTX 780 Ti released in nov 2013 for $699.99 The HD 7790 is faster than the 780Ti in this game. Wtf. (and ppl were recommending a gtx 650 ti boost over the 7790,, I’d like to see where that card would end up on the chart lol)
That's why they're still not done with it. They have a re-engineered Vega going into the Renoir APUs, and have done further work on GCN and renamed it CDNA. They'll be maintaining it in parallel to RDNA. It's a good architecture that they're resolved to keep making better, and I'm happy they're finally able to do so.
Currently listed in CEX (uk second hand retailer) for £65, a GTX780 is £75 (780Ti is £90). Thats what happens we brand loyalty has more power than common sense. Still dont need to upgrade either my r9 290 or my r9 290x spare (just sold my gtx1060, tried a 970 and didnt care for it, also tried SLI 1070's that was overkill, Would really like a nicely designed blower Vega56 or Radeon7 but guess thats not happening), Got a really cheap rx5700 teasing me......but I dont need it so these 290's will probably return to sand before I need to upgrade them.
The old beast HD 7970 it's a real powerhouse in History of gaming, I really like how good get older the AMD graphics cards.With HD 7970 i get 6-7 years 1080p(for that generations GPUs) everything on max settings, i don't believe that current or future generations of GPUs will be capable to achieve this(in current1440p/4k resolutions ) in terms of longevity! I never had such Graphics Card before and don't believe that I will have something similar again.
I guess 560 2gb for 1050 & 560 4gb for 1050ti seeing as that's how even the xx50 cards were released with 2gb & 4gb variants.Also given the fact that this game is on vulkan which always runs better on AMD those results are normal.
Game runs like an absolute dream on my R9 380 4GB with my FX-6300. I had to set my settings to 720p low due to the Steam overlay issue, then when I took it off, I kept turning the settings up gradually and I'm mostly on 1080p high now (with Ultra Nightmare Texture Filtering and Low Texture Pool) and it's SOLID 60 FPS and I can definitely turn it up more without dropping a bit
I really loved the closing sequence with chill music but badass gameplay sounds and visuals. It's kinda mesmarizing and in a weird way very calming but powerful. Would watch 20 mins of that on a bad day easy : p
6:22 I call Nvida shenanigans. After a certain point you are going to be left on your own. The price of dancing with the devil. You typically get better framerates on the front end but you will feel it on the back.
Had the same performance issues with an rx 580, it wouldn't go past 60 fps with dips into high 20's before messing with it and now I can easily get 75 locked. It's like a whole other experience. I thought it was the FX I was using at first but seeing this video cleared it up. Thanks for the amazing work, guys!
DUDE FINALLY Y'ALL DID THESE OLD GPU BENCHMARKS, I CAN FINALLY SEE IF MY OLD 2013 LAPTOP CAN PLAY THIS BEAST. THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU'VE HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE :)
This stuff is why I still don't feel the need to upgrade from my 290x. I didn't have time to play Doom Eternal yet, but I bet I could crank up a lot of those settings without much issue.
The 780Ti was just left behind to rot. It is sad to see how badly Kepler has aged. The lack of driver support and the abysmal vram counts have not helped at all.
I, for one, appreciate all the Ultra-Nightmare headaches you got from testing this game...and any you get from any testing you do. Excellent work as always.
Thank you so much for this final set of benchmarks Steve🙏🏼You truly are a benchmark machine💪I really do appreciate everything you and everyone at Hardware Unboxed do for us viewers, you always go above and beyond. So, thanks again, and please stay safe and look after yourselves👍 PS: My secondary i7 2600+1050ti build has pretty much the same performance as your benchmarks, at the same settings and resolution with and without DRS enabled.
Whhhaaaattttt! I was amazed how your making this. You are definitely a God of Benchmark! Great vids. Thanks for making this kind of vids especially for people like me who cant afford to buy expensive video card or upgrade our old one's. Cheers
Not really, its just Vulkan being Vulkan. Vulkan is based on Mantle, an AMD-supported API from almost a decade ago that was supported by GCN from the beginning. Vulkan only started becoming relevant years later and Nvidia only started caring with Turing.
Well I mean Nvidia used to do like AMD and include all the features including the kitchen sink, they stopped with Kepler because the die size and power consumption figures were getting massive (look at the GTX 480 and 580, some of which had 3 - 8 pin connectors) so they then dropped a lot of features for a smaller more efficient die but with the cost of being not very future proof i.e. GTX 600 and 700 series. AMD on the otherhand still includes the kitchen sink R9 290X with its massive 512 bit memory bus and 300W tdp, Vega with its almost astronomical 400W tdp and even the R9 FuryX. Nvidia didn't intentionally gimp them (well its a debatable thing really), it was just a side effect of making a more efficient architecture, which isn't to say Vega, Hawaii and even Fiji were inefficient its just they were designed for a low overhead api like Mantle, Vulkan and DX12 which were not commonplace like DX11, which was where AMD struggled in the graphics department. Turing on the otherhand is a return to a more Fermi like design which is why its so much more expensive, because the die is massive and it has more than just normal rasterization cores (cuda cores) but the inclusion of tensor and rtx cores. Another example would be their CPU, when they released FX they expected games to become more multicore aware with DX11, but that was proven to not really be true until DX12 and the like, developers always lag 3-6 years behind on features, which AMD plans ahead, which thus far is debatable whether it bites them in the ass or not, because yes while it does make the consumer happier that they can keep their gpu longer, but they also want you to buy a new one so they can make money, because they aren't making money by supporting something several generations old anymore. Not claiming i'm a fanboy of either because I own from both teams, its just Nvidia puts out on the market what is needed now, vs AMD putting out what will be needed, with the exception of Ray Tracing. I upgraded from a R9 290X to a 1080 then to a 1080 ti because that's what was a compelling upgrade for me.
on release the GTX 680 was slightly faster than a 7970, now its a potato gpu and the 7970 is still playable on modern games. i had the 4gb version and it stopped being optimized shortly after the 780 ti dropped...
Well just shows again that the fine wine phrase that was coined for AMD GPUs is still very much true. All cause AMD actually tries to keep supporting their hardware for longer instead of abandoning proper optimization like Nvidia does within 2 or 3 years to sell more of their insanely even more overpriced GPUs.
@Sp3ci3s8472 780ti is a 7 years old card what do you expect them to do it's not on life time support and yet it runs games better than consoles and playable at almost everygame. you are expected tp upgrade after 7 years so...
This one is far more interesting than the last one, even when I consider more than half of these GPUs to be all but irrelevant to me. The Major League cards from last time was pretty much "...and the results are pretty much what you'd expect.". This is lots more interesting to me.
still kicking my self for letting my R9 290 go, i went 290-970-1070-1060-1070ti-1080ti and for what? lols? XD R9 290 would still be kinda viable GPU to this day.
I would've liked to have seen some iGPUs/APUs but honestly you did so much work that I'm worried you might die from exhaustion 😳 Great work now go rest for the next 72 hours, [pretend] Doctors orders!
Now I hope you lads realize the huge advantage of GCN over the competition(at that generation!). I keep one HD7850 just as souvenir backup card, and i know i can just plug it inside with the newest drivers and it work perfectly. Right now I have Vega64 liquid, and Im not even considering RX5700xt or Geforce. It simply doesn't worth the invest. I'll upgrade next gen with highest end card, considering best value. Hope both AMD and nVidia will bring us strong competition and quality products with real value to us, consumers.
Btw guys with low end GPUs check out low spec gamer he did a tutorial to lower some settings while the game still looks good he did run it on an athlon 200GE averaging 50 fps
Also make sure to disable steam overlay, at this moment it gives a fps boost but depending on your system it will give you different results. For my rx 580 and ryzen 2600 i go from 80-90fps to 120+fps
For a possible explanation on why Kepler, Maxwell and Maxwell 2 are so bad I give you two words: async compute. Do you remember when DX12 came out and it became apparent that all the current NVIDIA GPUs do not support it thus tanking performance in DX12 titles (for back then it was just Ashes of the Singularity)? The first architecture from the green team to properly support async compute was Pascal but only Turing truly caught up with GCN in terms of DX12 and Vulkan performance
Stick it in the oven... My 7970 has been ovened 3 times and has lasted at least another year before needing doing again. The last time i ovened it was 3 years ago when i donated it to my Dads rig and has been flawless since.
I've found that the Gorenest level is demanding as well as the fight in the later levels where you have to break apart two chains with enemies spawning in.
AWESOME VIDEO. It's great to see how all these different older cards are performing. It's shocking to see how badly Kepler GPUs are doing vs. the Radeon GCN 1 GPUs :O. I mean, even a 7790 is beating a 780 ti?! WTF. The 7790 was launched at $150 in 2013, and used AMD's smallest GCN GPU. The 780 ti used Nvidia's biggest Kepler GPU and was launched about half a year later in late 2013 for $700! I wonder how much better these Kepler GPUs will run with better optimized drivers?
Damn, you guys are going HAM on this game when it comes to benchmarks, did something happened for this type of single game gigantic benchmark GPU guide to be made?
Paint me not surprised to see ancient AMD GPU's outperforming ancient nVidia cards in a modern title, it reminds me if you used the Beta Crimson driver hack on the pre-GCN AMD GPU's basically all the Terrascale ones, you could play GTA 5 with quite favourable fps using a HD 4870 for example. Heck even HD 3870 can play GTA 5 with hacked drivers LOL
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I really appreciate you reading the results out. I drive a truck and I can only listen.
Keep safe out there mate
@@definitelynotagoodperson5456 Professionals wont matter that so so much but yeah.
RX 550 substantially faster than GTX 780, this is highly amusing.
@@magnusrasmussen951 nvidianis just shit
@@evila9076 Ignorant post.
@@jblank74 1070 is a really good card for being 4 years old
@@thereddog223 I agree. It handles so much and most titles reach 100fps or more at 1080p ultra.
@@evila9076 kepler id shit, nvidia isnt
If you know where the AMD "Fine Wine" claims come from, just look at the 780 Ti vs R9 290x. The 780 Ti was the faster GPU at launch, yet now gets less than half the performance of the R9 290x (37FPS vs 99FPS). Truly baffling performance from Nvidia here
That being said, "FineWine" mostly happens when you compare to Kepler. Kepler REALLY didn't age well.
@@tockar also pascal
Fermi> kepler > kepler > maxwell > pascal > turing
GCN ⁷⁰⁰⁰
> GCN ²⁰⁰ > GCN ³⁰⁰ > GCN ᵖᵒˡᵃʳᶦˢ > GCN ᵖᵒˡᵃʳᶦˢ > GCN ᵛᵉᵍᵃ
Also GCN supported Terascale VLIWS
terrascale...interesting. I kinda wanna learn more about terascale now. why it dropped out and whatnot. could be interesting video : p
@@matrixfull That's when AMD hit the reset switch on going bigger and bigger, and shrunk the die dramatically. Which let them double performance each generation leading up to the 5870, which dominated performance and only cost $380 at launch. They couldn't quite make the same magic happen with GCN, so nVidia was able to catch up over the next few years, with notable exceptions like the R9 290X, which matched the GTX Titan in performance but cost half as much.
RDNA is AMD hitting the reset switch again. With RDNA 2 greatly improving power efficiency, it's looking like a repeat of the Terascale reboot progression might be on the way. We'll have to see how big Navi stacks up to Ampere later this year.
4:37 You didnt mention the GTx 780ti completely getting roasted there. it should be well above the 7970ghz, which was the competitor to the gtx 680.
Yeah, it's sad how awful those kepler gpus are, 7950 kicks all their asses
And The 7790 is faster than the 780 ti which was $400+ more and released half a year later
@@DrFafika In spite of this, techtubers love doing "How well does perform in " videos while AMD cards of the same vintage are totally ignored.
780ti performance start degrading years ago mid Maxwell life cycle (lack of optimisation for sure).
once Pascal get on the shelf, it became an abandon hardware. The card performe still nicely on old title, but on anything that come out in the last 2 years, it's utterly trashed.
Kepler was a TERRIBLE uArch! It was Nvidia's transition to fully unified clocks - where with Fermi and earlier, shaders were double pumped (clock rate was 2x GPU clock) - and Fermi was MUCH easier to program for. The biggest problem with Kepler was its AWFUL Memory Crossbar system, second to that was the TERRIBLE setup for the Kepler SMs, with 192 CUDA per SM but just ONE Dispatch processor- it was REALLY very hard to program for max performance out of Kepler.
Maxwell fixed all of this. No more memory crossbar setup, the SM was changed to 128 CUDA sub divided into 4 groups of 32 CUDA each with TWO dispatch processors, for 8 dispatch processors per SM!
Pascal is simply Maxwell on speed. Sure there were a couple MINUSCULE upgrades, mostly smaller features. In the end though, Maxwell should perform 1 to 1 with Pascal when the same number of shaders and ram are run at the same speeds.
After 7 years... My beloved HD7950 from Sapphire has become the "minimum recommended" GPU in so many games, that's sad.. I appreciate it sooo much that you still include those oldtimers. #BenchmarkKing
I just had to swap back to my 7950 from my gtx 770 to play doom eternal it is by far the best aging graphics card I have owned with drs set to a 60 fps target it works very well bairly dropping below 75% res scale and out of action sits at 100%
Might finally be time for a upgrade though.
I have a HD 7950 and have OC it for 5 or 6 years to 1100mhz gpu and 1450mhz vram and get about 25% increase in performance. Awesome card in it's time and I have a gtx 1060 but will never get rid of the 7950.
Bear in mind this is running underclocked (factory 800-900mhz)
You should take the HD7970 / 280x (1ghz) performance and do x0.875
Edit also it has 1Tflop of double precision vs a 1060ti which has 0.144, a gtx 980 has 0.179ish
AND when it first launched kepler didnt exist and it was fighting fermi GTX580's.
I'm starting feeling it. I'm with you in this one my brother ...
My beloved RX 580 was just called "sort of low-end hardware" for today's standards :c .
@@andyfalc I love those Radeon HD's. My 5670 from 2010 is still doing its thing and only cost me £78! Then the RX460 really let me down so I had to go for a GTX 1050Ti (which is still pretty good). Now a GTX 1660Ti and doubt I'll be upgrading for a while. I hope AMD will have great cards again for when I do. It's looking plausible.
Man, Kepler is really getting put out to pasture in a game like DOOM Eternal. Recall if you will the colossal R9 290X vs GTX 780 Ti battles of years gone by. In DOOM Eternal, the R9 290 (non-X, it should be noted) is ~268% faster on average, and 258% faster for the 99th percentile frametime. None of the Kepler-based GPUs put out anything like what I'd consider competitive performance, with even the top of the stack GTX 680 4GB from the 600 series getting crushed by the HD 7790 and HD 7870, neither of which were even remotely in the same ballpark in 2012. The GTX 780 is somehow slower than the GTX 680 4GB. Something weird is going on, it might be VRAM related and it's almost certainly partly due to having zero driver optimisation, but wow.
Hell, the Hawaii GPUs (R9 290/X and R9 390/X series) are topping the performance of the GTX 980 in this game. It's not a huge margin, but it's there and fairly impressive given Maxwell was such a huge step forward from Kepler (and it really shows in a game like this).
I'm a little surprised the R9 380 and R9 380X did quite as well as they did, being a bit faster than the R9 280X/HD 7970 GHz. It seems some of the architecture improvements in GCN 3 are being put to good use in a game like this. Even the R9 Nano shows a decent jump over the R9 290 and R9 390, and that's showing arguably worst case performance for Fiji. That said, you'd be pretty happy if you bought a Tahiti based card back in 2011/2012, as the HD 7950 and HD 7970 are keeping up pretty nicely in DOOM Eternal, even if it's at the low preset.
Concidering how good this game looks even at low, it really is a fitting swansong for Tahiti.
Gtx 680 has 2gb vram not 4. Kepler never played well whit vulkan api so no surprise there.
From what i see in the benchmark the 780 is on top of the 680, not sure what u talking about.
@@ionitaconstantin1052 there where 4gb versions released there where also 6gb 7970's
4 GB 680
www.evga.com/products/specs/gpu.aspx?pn=E847A80B-4508-46FC-8154-60FE2F163569
6 GB 7970
www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-hd-7970-toxic-6-gb/
As for gcn 1 is asynchronous compute still disabled in the drivers I don't have aots to do a test rn but the big difference between gcn1 - 2+ is more asynchronous pipes I believe it's 3 for gcn 1 and 8 for gcn 2+ although this information is a bit hard to come by.
@@ionitaconstantin1052 There are 4GB versions to, it's even benchmarked in the above video.
I don't think Nvidia tests and optimizes new games on their last gen GPUs.
GTX780Ti - 37FPS average
HD7970 - 65FPS average
R9 290 - 116 FPS average
Remember that the 780Ti used to compete with the R9 290X but it is falling (way) behind even the 7970!
In this game it has even fallen behind low end GPUs like the 7790
Driver optimization likely the culprit. Nvidia, old hardware, vulkan.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Should be investigated for fraud.
I think this shows just how heavily Nvidia depends on driver tricks to maintain performance. Great when you have the latest and greatest, not so good once they loose interest.
AMD didn't really have a choice since when they optimized drivers for their latest GCN architecture it benefited all their older GCN GPUs too....but yeah it just goes to show how much driver optimizations make a difference....we should all start demanding a 3-5yr optimized driver support warranty when we buy a new GPU! LOL
True, but if you look into the other side of that claim, it also means that AMD isn't doing a good enough job in optimizing their drivers.
@@shadowpuppet6707 So Kepler is way past that. Even Maxwell. And Pascal is close to being out (it is 4 years old). Seriously, optimizing for old PC hardware makes no sense, there are too many configurations, unlike consoles. And neither does buying high-end hardware for longevity. You should swap you video card every 2-3 years, no matter which segment it is.
@@THU31 You should swap when you need to, there's no time window you should follow. I would probably use my dead hd 7770 1gb for a while longer cause it was enough for my needs back in 2016.
@@THU31 Swapping a new card every three years? You got money to throw away?
I will pay to see FX CPUs benchmarked on this title. Just send me the bill.
Listen to this man! Let it happen!
Send him the bill for the power used.
Don't trigger steve's fx allergy.
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@@EdU-od5ec it woud be more than 100000$
It's worth noting that when the HD 7970 launched its competition was the GTX 580.
And here it is easily beating the GTX 680 and the GTX 780ti.
It's only 30% behind the GTX 970.
Tahiti is some magic silicon.
Nvidias fault on not updating their drivers
@Zwenk Wiel Someone has to test some old games (AMD vs Nvidia) with newest drivers.
@@aguy3664 I think it's more likely that developers are no longer putting in a great amount of effort to optimize for those nVidia GPUs anymore.
@@TrueThanny They burned through that GameWorks money long ago. 😂
The HD 7970 was directly competing with the GTX 680, still very impressive though, given that it now beats the cards that were way more expensive when it was rebranded as the R9 280X, such as the 780.
40 GPUs!!!?? Holy f**k! That's a lot of brain damage! That's like a PhD level of amount of work 😳
Hardly. I test 30 per day son.
Not as hard but as fustrating
@@SuperLC1010 im sure you do
SuperManBeemerrr Charles well normal people don’t usually do that, and I commend you for doing so cause that’s a lot of work and time that’s dedicated to doing that.
@@SuperLC1010 Most people can technically do that, "test 30 GPUs" in a day. Even in an 8 hour day, that's about 15 minutes with each, with a fiver every hour. The real question is - what is actually being tested, and how automated is it. what does the test procedures, process and QC look like. If the testing doesn't require hands-on "at all times" during the test, you can test just about as many as you have "test systems", simultaneously.
R9 290 still going strong
It's like a 6,5 year old dog. Always with you by your side no matter what. #AMDFineWine
Lol, I literally bought a 290X in late 2013. Considering this is now well more than 6 years old and even the 2011 7970 GHz still holds on strong, I really don't get why anyone would have gotten Kepler other than the lower end stuff. Ofc, back when the 7970 GHz still was like $400 or even $500, buying a $200 660 Ti was more sensible to me - mind you back then Nvidia had a driver advantage. But later on, Radeon all the way.
At this rate the 2080ti will become weaker than the RX 5700XT in 5 years
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Thsnks for validating my 5700xt purchase lolol
it was the opposite actually. if you really understand what happen. when future game start using DX12U performance enhancing feature (VRS, mesh shading, feedback sampler) we probably going to see nvidia turing will pull performance ahead of AMD RDNA1 based GPU.
Plz dear God change the music on your intro the snapping makes me wanna go spread covid to all the old ppl.
Yep, if you allow nVidia to continue their driver fiddling.
The R9 290. Holy crap.
Hd 7790 released H1 of 2013 ~$159 for the 2gb version
GTX 780 Ti released in nov 2013 for $699.99
The HD 7790 is faster than the 780Ti in this game. Wtf. (and ppl were recommending a gtx 650 ti boost over the 7790,, I’d like to see where that card would end up on the chart lol)
We really know how what Ryzen has to offer older Radeons at the chipset level as it also evolves ,
Strange to see how that went, I have a 780TI in one of my PC's and games that are optimised run great games that aren't on the other hand though.
For what I can see the GCN architecture is working very well .
That's why they're still not done with it. They have a re-engineered Vega going into the Renoir APUs, and have done further work on GCN and renamed it CDNA. They'll be maintaining it in parallel to RDNA.
It's a good architecture that they're resolved to keep making better, and I'm happy they're finally able to do so.
HD 7970 release date is December 22, 2011
harbor unboxed :))
The Benchmark King Strikes Again!!!
King in a hoodie p.
R9 290, the card that just keeps giving 😏
Yes! Currently playing Half Life Alyx on my 7 year old Sapphire R9 290 vapor-x driving my HTC Vive VR headset.
Yup, getting that card (Sapphire Tri-X OC to be exact) was probably the best decision when building my rig 6 years ago.
@@Arjun-eb1yc Rtx2080Ti and It looks and plays superb.. Very nice game whit fast gpu..
@@Arjun-eb1yc How does the R9 290 perform on Alyx? I have one a 290x I was thinking of trying.
I really love that this channel always looks out for budget gamers.
I am glad i choose the r9 290 instead of the 780ti back then.
@@Krisztian5HUN It does support DX 12 and if you get a Club 3D mini dp to HDMI 2.0 it will do 4K 60Hz gaming ,
Assuming their memory chips haven't desoldered themselves due to the temperatures the card runs at yet, they're still very solid cards
Currently listed in CEX (uk second hand retailer) for £65, a GTX780 is £75 (780Ti is £90).
Thats what happens we brand loyalty has more power than common sense.
Still dont need to upgrade either my r9 290 or my r9 290x spare (just sold my gtx1060, tried a 970 and didnt care for it, also tried SLI 1070's that was overkill, Would really like a nicely designed blower Vega56 or Radeon7 but guess thats not happening), Got a really cheap rx5700 teasing me......but I dont need it so these 290's will probably return to sand before I need to upgrade them.
Those old Radeon GPUs really did age like fine wine.
The old beast HD 7970 it's a real powerhouse in History of gaming, I really like how good get older the AMD graphics cards.With HD 7970 i get 6-7 years 1080p(for that generations GPUs) everything on max settings, i don't believe that current or future generations of GPUs will be capable to achieve this(in current1440p/4k resolutions ) in terms of longevity! I never had such Graphics Card before and don't believe that I will have something similar again.
My 7970 has just died. It genuinely makes me feel sad. Has been chugging along for years, even done plenty of mining back in the day as well
The RX 560 and 1050Ti being within the margin of error of each other is unheard of until now.
They are the same tier of GPUs tho
@@TheXlen They aren't. RX 560 is the same tier as vanilla 1050
I guess 560 2gb for 1050 & 560 4gb for 1050ti seeing as that's how even the xx50 cards were released with 2gb & 4gb variants.Also given the fact that this game is on vulkan which always runs better on AMD those results are normal.
the r9 280x just refuses to die. I have 2 of them. One 7970 GHz and one 280X Vapor-X. Really good cards.
You guys are one of the best, keep doing what you do!
Game runs like an absolute dream on my R9 380 4GB with my FX-6300. I had to set my settings to 720p low due to the Steam overlay issue, then when I took it off, I kept turning the settings up gradually and I'm mostly on 1080p high now (with Ultra Nightmare Texture Filtering and Low Texture Pool) and it's SOLID 60 FPS and I can definitely turn it up more without dropping a bit
Yeah the 380 is a real surprise in this one.
750Ti outperforming 760...
RIP Kepler
Yeah that was fucking weird. What on earth is up with NVIDIA drivers?
@@UnL1k3 750Ti is Maxwell, 760 is Kepler. As you can see, this game wasn't optimized for Kepler.
Imagine that the 780ti was so much more expensive than the 290 and now it gets 1/3 FPS
I really loved the closing sequence with chill music but badass gameplay sounds and visuals. It's kinda mesmarizing and in a weird way very calming but powerful. Would watch 20 mins of that on a bad day easy : p
6:22 I call Nvida shenanigans. After a certain point you are going to be left on your own. The price of dancing with the devil.
You typically get better framerates on the front end but you will feel it on the back.
Man i really love this Channel. These compasions help people a lot. Thanxs!
Had the same performance issues with an rx 580, it wouldn't go past 60 fps with dips into high 20's before messing with it and now I can easily get 75 locked. It's like a whole other experience. I thought it was the FX I was using at first but seeing this video cleared it up. Thanks for the amazing work, guys!
DUDE FINALLY Y'ALL DID THESE OLD GPU BENCHMARKS, I CAN FINALLY SEE IF MY OLD 2013 LAPTOP CAN PLAY THIS BEAST. THANK YOU SO MUCH YOU'VE HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE :)
I haven't seen a single mobile GPU here. You know that mobile GPUs are quite different from desktops GPUs, right?
actually it can. Mine's from 2014 and it can "run" the game, somewhat stable 30fps
Video's on my channel if interested
This stuff is why I still don't feel the need to upgrade from my 290x. I didn't have time to play Doom Eternal yet, but I bet I could crank up a lot of those settings without much issue.
I am really impressed that you still benchmarked the 600er series. I used to have a 660 Ti and its nice that even today I wouldn't have been neglected
The 780Ti was just left behind to rot. It is sad to see how badly Kepler has aged. The lack of driver support and the abysmal vram counts have not helped at all.
The Benchmarks Gods
How does this channel still not have over 1 million subs? I love Hardware Unboxed. Thanks for putting this together, it's interesting.
Thank you for all that hard work, there is still life in my gtx 980.
I, for one, appreciate all the Ultra-Nightmare headaches you got from testing this game...and any you get from any testing you do. Excellent work as always.
Thank you so much for this final set of benchmarks Steve🙏🏼You truly are a benchmark machine💪I really do appreciate everything you and everyone at Hardware Unboxed do for us viewers, you always go above and beyond. So, thanks again, and please stay safe and look after yourselves👍
PS: My secondary i7 2600+1050ti build has pretty much the same performance as your benchmarks, at the same settings and resolution with and without DRS enabled.
Amd Finewine:D
Whhhaaaattttt! I was amazed how your making this. You are definitely a God of Benchmark! Great vids. Thanks for making this kind of vids especially for people like me who cant afford to buy expensive video card or upgrade our old one's. Cheers
WHAT A SLAUGHTER!!!
Buy Nvidia today, regret tomorrow.
AMD FineWine
Not really, its just Vulkan being Vulkan.
Vulkan is based on Mantle, an AMD-supported API from almost a decade ago that was supported by GCN from the beginning.
Vulkan only started becoming relevant years later and Nvidia only started caring with Turing.
@KarlKlaus vonS about Nvidiots? It's no offense, just a nickname. Nonetheless, negationism against actual facts it's quite illogic.
Well I mean Nvidia used to do like AMD and include all the features including the kitchen sink, they stopped with Kepler because the die size and power consumption figures were getting massive (look at the GTX 480 and 580, some of which had 3 - 8 pin connectors) so they then dropped a lot of features for a smaller more efficient die but with the cost of being not very future proof i.e. GTX 600 and 700 series. AMD on the otherhand still includes the kitchen sink R9 290X with its massive 512 bit memory bus and 300W tdp, Vega with its almost astronomical 400W tdp and even the R9 FuryX. Nvidia didn't intentionally gimp them (well its a debatable thing really), it was just a side effect of making a more efficient architecture, which isn't to say Vega, Hawaii and even Fiji were inefficient its just they were designed for a low overhead api like Mantle, Vulkan and DX12 which were not commonplace like DX11, which was where AMD struggled in the graphics department. Turing on the otherhand is a return to a more Fermi like design which is why its so much more expensive, because the die is massive and it has more than just normal rasterization cores (cuda cores) but the inclusion of tensor and rtx cores.
Another example would be their CPU, when they released FX they expected games to become more multicore aware with DX11, but that was proven to not really be true until DX12 and the like, developers always lag 3-6 years behind on features, which AMD plans ahead, which thus far is debatable whether it bites them in the ass or not, because yes while it does make the consumer happier that they can keep their gpu longer, but they also want you to buy a new one so they can make money, because they aren't making money by supporting something several generations old anymore.
Not claiming i'm a fanboy of either because I own from both teams, its just Nvidia puts out on the market what is needed now, vs AMD putting out what will be needed, with the exception of Ray Tracing. I upgraded from a R9 290X to a 1080 then to a 1080 ti because that's what was a compelling upgrade for me.
Might as well throw in the ryzen 2200g 2400g 3200g 3400g to see how it stands in-between all these GPUs. Just a suggestion. Thanks for the video!
They'll get about 80% of what a GT1030 or 750Ti will. Great integrated chip but still not a true replacement for a dedicated solution.
Would love to see this as well! Being someone who repairs and builds PC its nice to see what CPU/GPU's to recommend to my clients.
They’re about the same as a 750ti
would love to see the OG 2200g too. (or even the LSG's athlon 3000g)
@Stiggy Yes, but in this game everything seems weird. A RX550 is beating a 780 ti in this game. It would be cool to the APUs tested in this game.
Thanks for this. I'm always a bit behind the curve in videocards so this kind of guide is a big help.
The RX 550 now matches the GTX 1050?? Remember when it was beating the 560??
Pascal's expiration date is coming closer...
Your Results look to [High/Low] for my [Insert GPU Name].
You guys are one of the top benchmark videos out there
Favourite Benchmarking site. Will have to consider becoming a patron.
"Favourite Benchmarking site"
*channel
That's some serious Fine Wine situation going on here.
on release the GTX 680 was slightly faster than a 7970, now its a potato gpu and the 7970 is still playable on modern games. i had the 4gb version and it stopped being optimized shortly after the 780 ti dropped...
Well just shows again that the fine wine phrase that was coined for AMD GPUs is still very much true. All cause AMD actually tries to keep supporting their hardware for longer instead of abandoning proper optimization like Nvidia does within 2 or 3 years to sell more of their insanely even more overpriced GPUs.
This video is pure gold
Thank you Steve!
I am happy my 980tis were a worthy investment, even if I can only use one in this game. Here's to four more years.
@Sp3ci3s8472 780ti is a 7 years old card what do you expect them to do it's not on life time support and yet it runs games better than consoles and playable at almost everygame. you are expected tp upgrade after 7 years so...
@@pepela2219 cope.
@@pepela2219 R-290x October 24, 2013
970 getting older
@@pepela2219 R9 2xx series is just as old, but look at how it still performs. There's no excuse for 7xx series doing this badly.
This one is far more interesting than the last one, even when I consider more than half of these GPUs to be all but irrelevant to me. The Major League cards from last time was pretty much "...and the results are pretty much what you'd expect.". This is lots more interesting to me.
Also, when I hear you say, "...now with DRS enabled..." I forget, for a moment, what I'm watching.
Awesome work, I love seeing how older video cards work with the latest games.
Wow GTX680 (2 and 4GB) vs HD 7970 (3GB)!
those are the best benchmarks on the internet thanks for your work it's really interesting !
I had a 970 since launch, sold it recently. That thing was a trooper, loved it.
Now I have a i5-2300 iGPU, best upgrade ever.
What a relief to know that I will have a great experience playing Doom Eternal on my RX 580 8gb. :>
Thank you for testing this on GF10 series and R 400 series.
I've been playing with a 1060 3GB at 1440p. Most settings at medium / low but the game still looks great and has ran pretty smooth so far .
Thanks for your content , really nice
F for 780 Ti
still kicking my self for letting my R9 290 go, i went 290-970-1070-1060-1070ti-1080ti and for what? lols? XD R9 290 would still be kinda viable GPU to this day.
did your 1070 die or something?
why did you go from R9 290 to 970?
Why are you complaining you have a gtx 1080 ti its like ten times faster then the r9 290.
wow you do a lot of sidegrades !
Still having 290, can confirm it's still viable.
I hope u test like this for every game as possible. Ty
Thanks for your crazy work, 40 gpus that awesome.
NICE! I just picked up an R9 390 on eBay for 60 bucks for a living room PC, that is surprisingly good performance for a pretty old GPU!
My dude you are a bench-marking champion! and your accent dammmmm so soixy to listen to as I brood over my buying choices.
I would've liked to have seen some iGPUs/APUs but honestly you did so much work that I'm worried you might die from exhaustion 😳 Great work now go rest for the next 72 hours, [pretend] Doctors orders!
Yay another harbor unboxed video showing Steve doing insane amounts of testing
wow my Hawai GPU R9 290 is rocking.
Now I hope you lads realize the huge advantage of GCN over the competition(at that generation!). I keep one HD7850 just as souvenir backup card, and i know i can just plug it inside with the newest drivers and it work perfectly. Right now I have Vega64 liquid, and Im not even considering RX5700xt or Geforce. It simply doesn't worth the invest. I'll upgrade next gen with highest end card, considering best value. Hope both AMD and nVidia will bring us strong competition and quality products with real value to us, consumers.
The Fine Wine that got too good...
Pretty amazing what the R9 390 can still offer in well optimized games. Comfortable win over the 970, and even beating the 980.
Thank you for this video !
Wow, great work guys.
In the name od people who only have money to buy used GPU's,I SALUTE YOU.Thank you!
40 GPUs. Yeah that's the Steve we know and love!!!
You are really the "Ferrero Rocher" of benchmarking you are really spoiling us.
Btw guys with low end GPUs check out low spec gamer he did a tutorial to lower some settings while the game still looks good
he did run it on an athlon 200GE averaging 50 fps
Great channel already subbed to it - Thanks for reminding me of it!
I don't think I could do your job. I would hate to have all that benchmarking burn me out on a game and not want to play it. We appreciate you Steve!
Impressive work guys.
Thank you for the informative video. 😍👍🥳
Thank you, nice to see the 900 series benchmarks, i usually have to compare my OC GTX970 to the stock 1060
Also make sure to disable steam overlay, at this moment it gives a fps boost but depending on your system it will give you different results. For my rx 580 and ryzen 2600 i go from 80-90fps to 120+fps
DukeoftheAges it's sufficient to turn off Steam's FPS counter
Every now and then the camera angles makes Steve reminds me of Bon Scott.
For a possible explanation on why Kepler, Maxwell and Maxwell 2 are so bad I give you two words: async compute. Do you remember when DX12 came out and it became apparent that all the current NVIDIA GPUs do not support it thus tanking performance in DX12 titles (for back then it was just Ashes of the Singularity)? The first architecture from the green team to properly support async compute was Pascal but only Turing truly caught up with GCN in terms of DX12 and Vulkan performance
Would be great to have some APUs performance too.
The dedication :0 incredible! I had a hd 7950 it was amazing while it lasted! Too bad it died last year... but it was amazing for the price
Stick it in the oven...
My 7970 has been ovened 3 times and has lasted at least another year before needing doing again.
The last time i ovened it was 3 years ago when i donated it to my Dads rig and has been flawless since.
I've found that the Gorenest level is demanding as well as the fight in the later levels where you have to break apart two chains with enemies spawning in.
The R9 290 is really amazing considering it can be had for very cheap
AWESOME VIDEO. It's great to see how all these different older cards are performing. It's shocking to see how badly Kepler GPUs are doing vs. the Radeon GCN 1 GPUs :O. I mean, even a 7790 is beating a 780 ti?! WTF. The 7790 was launched at $150 in 2013, and used AMD's smallest GCN GPU. The 780 ti used Nvidia's biggest Kepler GPU and was launched about half a year later in late 2013 for $700! I wonder how much better these Kepler GPUs will run with better optimized drivers?
Damn, you guys are going HAM on this game when it comes to benchmarks, did something happened for this type of single game gigantic benchmark GPU guide to be made?
thx for doing this
Interesting results thank you ...
Paint me not surprised to see ancient AMD GPU's outperforming ancient nVidia cards in a modern title, it reminds me if you used the Beta Crimson driver hack on the pre-GCN AMD GPU's basically all the Terrascale ones, you could play GTA 5 with quite favourable fps using a HD 4870 for example. Heck even HD 3870 can play GTA 5 with hacked drivers LOL
The 7970 is almost a 9 year old GPU, its fucking Legendary