So so true! Been through interviews and I still have difficulty navigating around this question. Job descriptions don’t paint the whole picture and only after you know what’s on your plate should that conversation be had. Thank you for this tip though John! Appreciate it
Every company that I got hired at did not discuss salary until after they were ready to extend me an offer of employment. In rare cases, I have had some initial phone screenings with companies that insisted that I provide them with a salary expectation before proceeding to an interview with the hiring manager. For one of the companies, I responded by asking what the budget was for the position. The person refused to disclose that information to me so I gave a very high number and was not able to proceed further in the hiring process. I told another company I wanted to postpone salary discussions until after the interview and they also insisted that I provide them with a salary range before proceeding. What frustrated me was neither of the companies disclosed the salary information in their job postings and I ended up wasting PTO because of it. Does anyone know how to handle this situation if it comes up again because it seems like I am getting weeded out of jobs before I even get to the actual interview?
I hate this question so much. So so much. In my country, asking the recruiter their range is apparently misconstrued to mean that you do not know your value and at the same time, quoting a rather high value makes the recruiter think you're over confident. I actually prefer if this question would be scrapped. I have an interview shortly and really hope it is not asked. I'd rather negotiate based on the offer that they'll give me if it is below my range, rather than answering upfront.
These are such wonderfully insightful and educational videos! Much of the approach, though, seems to be tech biased. I just finished with the Amazon loop and, based on how it went, I am confident I should receive an offer. However, the role is with data center real estate. I’m not sure that I have as much leverage as some of the tech folks. And, these types of roles in Amazon are so few they don’t show up on lists that, level has. Is there another way I could I try and negotiate the offer? Is it perhaps to say “I am coming in with twice as much as experience desired in the job description “Preferred” qualifications. I need to think on this a bit and will get back to you.” I’d ask what the range is for the role, is the recruiter going to answer and answer honestly? If they do, should I perhaps shoot for a percentage, say 80%, of t to bay compensation? Thanks for all of your awesome insights!
I really appreciate this John as I also feel that it's a difficult situation to be placed in at the get go. But now I can more confidently navigate this question. Thank you. Do you have advice for the next stage after this? Now a word of advice from me..you should start a hat business. 🤩
I made this mistake. I was offered $18,000 less because I gave them a number. Plus I was offered a bonus that’s $15,000 less than a person graduating in my class with the same MBA. I get that I should take since they gave me what I asked but it’s brutal to know I’m making that much less.
This is good advice for about 90% of those looking but one you reach the top tier of earning power this approach can lead to a lot of wasted time because very few companies can afford to pay for that kind of talent. There's little worse then going through round after round of interview only to get a lowball offer that you could have walked away from on day 1.
Thank you for this informative video John! What if recruiter gives range from $X to $Y, and so you told them you'd expect $Y? Are you still cutting yourself short in this scenario? Or is there any way to backpedal once you've passed all interview cycles and get an actual offer? What would you do moving forward?
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So so true! Been through interviews and I still have difficulty navigating around this question. Job descriptions don’t paint the whole picture and only after you know what’s on your plate should that conversation be had. Thank you for this tip though John! Appreciate it
Every company that I got hired at did not discuss salary until after they were ready to extend me an offer of employment. In rare cases, I have had some initial phone screenings with companies that insisted that I provide them with a salary expectation before proceeding to an interview with the hiring manager. For one of the companies, I responded by asking what the budget was for the position. The person refused to disclose that information to me so I gave a very high number and was not able to proceed further in the hiring process. I told another company I wanted to postpone salary discussions until after the interview and they also insisted that I provide them with a salary range before proceeding. What frustrated me was neither of the companies disclosed the salary information in their job postings and I ended up wasting PTO because of it. Does anyone know how to handle this situation if it comes up again because it seems like I am getting weeded out of jobs before I even get to the actual interview?
I hate this question so much. So so much. In my country, asking the recruiter their range is apparently misconstrued to mean that you do not know your value and at the same time, quoting a rather high value makes the recruiter think you're over confident. I actually prefer if this question would be scrapped. I have an interview shortly and really hope it is not asked. I'd rather negotiate based on the offer that they'll give me if it is below my range, rather than answering upfront.
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These are such wonderfully insightful and educational videos! Much of the approach, though, seems to be tech biased. I just finished with the Amazon loop and, based on how it went, I am confident I should receive an offer. However, the role is with data center real estate. I’m not sure that I have as much leverage as some of the tech folks. And, these types of roles in Amazon are so few they don’t show up on lists that, level has.
Is there another way I could I try and negotiate the offer? Is it perhaps to say “I am coming in with twice as much as experience desired in the job description “Preferred” qualifications. I need to think on this a bit and will get back to you.” I’d ask what the range is for the role, is the recruiter going to answer and answer honestly? If they do, should I perhaps shoot for a percentage, say 80%, of t to bay compensation?
Thanks for all of your awesome insights!
I really appreciate this John as I also feel that it's a difficult situation to be placed in at the get go. But now I can more confidently navigate this question. Thank you.
Do you have advice for the next stage after this?
Now a word of advice from me..you should start a hat business. 🤩
I made this mistake. I was offered $18,000 less because I gave them a number. Plus I was offered a bonus that’s $15,000 less than a person graduating in my class with the same MBA. I get that I should take since they gave me what I asked but it’s brutal to know I’m making that much less.
This is good advice for about 90% of those looking but one you reach the top tier of earning power this approach can lead to a lot of wasted time because very few companies can afford to pay for that kind of talent. There's little worse then going through round after round of interview only to get a lowball offer that you could have walked away from on day 1.
Good advice. Like your name, by the way.
Thank you for this informative video John! What if recruiter gives range from $X to $Y, and so you told them you'd expect $Y? Are you still cutting yourself short in this scenario? Or is there any way to backpedal once you've passed all interview cycles and get an actual offer? What would you do moving forward?
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John, can you suggest a range is for a senior Customer Solution Manager (Senior) role?
So what would you reply if they directly ask you the expectation (given a range you got online or perhaps a range from the recuriter)
The best way to handle this is to simply say "I'm interesting in finding a good match for myself. We can discuss salary later."
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