Do Speaker Cables Make a Difference 🎶
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2022
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This was the most straightforward video on cables I've ever seen 😂. Thanks for sharing 👍
FWIW... I participated in a test where cables were 'changed' and the brand/type of cable was stated at each change. EVERYONE could hear the difference that the "better" cables provided. BUT, when the results were announced, it turned out that NO cable changes had been made - the cheapest cables had been in place the entire time yet literally all 11 participants stated how much better the "$2000 cables" sounded as opposed to the $30 cables that were in place the entire time.
;)
You've hit the nail on the head. They've done similar experiments with wine and other things and folks invariably "prefer" what they're told are higher priced, more glamorous products even though they're drinking the same wine with a fake label. It confirms their good taste don't you know. The only reliable way to do any testing is totally blind so you don't know what product you're experiencing and have to give your honest assessment without the built in bias of your brain and ego interfering. This test above, and the comments below, clearly exemplify this point. To have people claim to have heard a "definite difference" though a RUclips video with no knowledge of how the recording was made or its quality is quite humorous. We humans have weak minds, thus you have many that believe that the earth is flat and Donald Trump isn't a liar. So it goes.
So did you hear a difference in these tests?@@sixdogbob543
That being said I didn’t mess with looking into 12 gauge. I still got 14 gauge OFC because the headroom and peace of mind was worth it. I learned recently not to cheap out especially when it’s something where you have to pull a bunch of panels out that you may break (car audio application)
No cables Change its not even a test its just a joker you cant do a test like that
If you look at the cable running to the speakers behind the stereo, you can actually see that the entire video shows the big white 12 ga cable running to the speakers. He never changed the cables!
Thank you
It swapped left channel with right, this is amazing, I didn't knew that cable do this. 🤣🤣
You need to do a hand stand with that one.
I noticed that the left and right volume levels seem to differ in some songs when using a 12AWG cable in this video. In particular, the right side is louder. I am using headphones with a volume of around 50dB. It is difficult to say for sure if this is a difference in the cables
Exactly. Came here to say the same. I think quite possibly the recording conditions are not the same (moving even a couple of inches makes a difference, especially at MID/HIGH frequencies).
You could try a comparison with the thinnest wire you could use that doesn't melt with the power supplied, that should be funny!
Thank you for this video man! I have 16 gauge going from an Adcom to my 901s. Im going to experiment now thanks to your video!
If you look at the cable running to the speakers behind the stereo, you can actually see that the entire video shows the big white 12 ga cable running to the speakers. He never changed the cables!
Thanks
Will there be a test with 12awg CCA wires which may be as good as 14awg OFC?
12 gauge really jumps out to me, I was very surprised,
Cheers for the vid.
Good review. I liked the 12 guage sound
I have access to 350 mcm copper wire (single conductor) I could use for speaker cables. I just can’t find terminations from 350 mcm to banana plugs for my speakers & amplifier?
I’ve always used QED 79 strand speaker cables since the’90s and I’m definitely satisfied with them and don’t see any need to try anything else.
me too
It is very interesting cables audio test.. I would like to recommend one thing, same brand with different Gagues will be more justice evaluation.
Thank you
For short lengths maybe not so important. However, the longer the length, the more important quality copper and thicker gauge matters.
over 1500 metres you might notice a difference
The 16-gauge wire in this test is made of copper clad aluminium (CCA). Aluminium has only 61 percent of the conductivity of copper. The 12-gauge OFC stands out as the winner.
I have the micca 14 gauge cables, I recently tried 12 gauge cables and they are a little better than the 14.the miccas are good cables
Believe it or not, on my iphone i could tell the difference between 12 and 14 if listening carefully. The 14 and 16 sound the same but I'm amazed that 12 can sound that different even listening on a phone. I have ordered 12 gauge cable thanks to this test. I know for me it will definitely pay off as i've just started to build a system and currently only have 22guage lying around to use! Thanks
14 and 12 Are basically the same thickness there is very little almost insignificant difference in thickness. I use 14 but ordered real Germán copper wire. I think it depends on the wire if it's full copper or not and the connections too. And also what stereo equipment you have.
You could tell the difference on your iphone ?
iPhone 14 Max Pro here. And as much as it pisses me off to say it…. The 12 clearly sounded better… even just thru my phone speaker. It is noticeably brighter. Where the switch to the 14/16 sounded almost like it was being held back. I don’t know how to explain it, but it was like it could breathe.
@@LEDFOOT49where can I order this wire?
@@levijessegonzalez3629 I got mine at Amazon
How about increasing the volume to compensate?
Which wire gives better sound? Tinted copper or Bare copper for speaker?
Bare copper!
what id like to know is what mic did you use.. im listening on mordaunt short MS912's and they all sound the same to me , also the music choice was terrible. but im just over 50 years of age and spent a good few years at raves sat in bass bins. anyway i could not tell any diff.... Also listen to a quality mix !!!!
Unfortunately, due to copyright, I'm restricted to the RUclips music library. Not much Rave music in there I'm afraid. Most of the differences can be heard in the upper mids and treble. If you've spent years having your ears pounded by rave music, you probably won't hear the difference. 😄
Built my huge speakers back in 1978. I used 12 gauge dual wires for speaker cables, but I also took no chances. The positive side, (RED), uses the 12 gauge with the two wires tied together at both ends, and the negative side, (BLK), also uses the 12 gauge dual wire with the two wires tied together at both ends. So what does that make it, 6 Gauge ? LOL
Just got done watching this video. I did not hear any difference between the 3. Im curious though. I was watching the back of the right speaker when the songs and cables were changed and noticed the cables behind the speaker were never swapped out as the songs where being played. Where we just listening recorded audio only
the difference is not in the cable gauge but the power the amp needs to use to push the signal. The resistance is greater on when you go up in gauge. Your amplifier needs to work harder to push the same level of sound. You wont (IMO) notice it as much on lower volume but could hear it at a more moderate volume if you have a weak amp.
Would there be a more pronounced difference on a longer run of cable, to rear surrounds for example?
Potentially, especially with runs over 3 metres/10feet.
Obviously, a listening session via youtube may be questionable.
However, the only variable here was the speaker cabling.
So I woould submit that thhis was a fair test.
The only issue is that one's ears are not sensitive enough to detect a difference.
I wonder what would have been the difference with 22 AGW wire.
I submit that there might have been an audible change.
I have never seen a power amplifier with the speaker cable included in his feedback.
Including the speaker in the feed back would yeld interesting results.
What if the preamplifier would include the power amplifier, the speaker wires and the speaker. in his feedback?
That would provide active correction across the whole audio chain.
Instantly noticed a difference!! I have high end speakers on my PC, and noticed the jump from 12awg to 14awg, and the clarity change. Just now building a new system, and this great video made up my mind on speaker wire size!!
If you look at the cable running to the speakers behind the stereo, you can actually see that the entire video shows the big white 12 ga cable running to the speakers. He never changed the cables!
maximum lenght of wire per speaker?
i test some cables and fat cables are better in bass and a little bit in mids, but its not always people expect, same with rca to dac
Next copper vs silver or stranded vs solid core cable
Heard them from my cheap active speakers, and I love the 12 gauge.... 😋, 14-16 nearly similar.
so 14 and 16 gauge makes sound "brighter" more top end. 16 gauge deliver most top end notes. 12 gauge got more base to it and topend is has a tiny bit of topend removed. How i could hear ? i use my 3 way speakers with crossover and could isolate each bandwith in 3 parts.
Maybe it makes a bigger difference over a longer distance
12 to 14 there's a decent difference, that's if there aren't external factors affecting the recordings. I could tell the difference in a blind test. 14 to 16 has much less of a difference. Don't think it's so crazy to be able to tell there's at least a difference assuming nothing else affected the recordings
To me the 12 sounded a little more full range and deeper. The 16 was brighter and brought out the highs. To me the 14 sounded the worst it just seemed caught in between and was just boring. It’s all just personal preference and can be tuned to what you like.
First off nice no nonsense video. Secondly i have always found 12, 10 and even 8 ( I found the best!) canhave incredible improvements in resolution, dynamics and control. If you ever get the chance to try some silver plater 8 AWG wires I think you'd be in for the biggest surprise yet!
16 gauge pure copper @8ohms is good for 400 Watts. The formula is inverse proportion (4ohm = 800 Watts.) That's all you need to know - speaker (rated) + cable (measured) = total ohms. 16g also a whole lot easier to twist into a noise-free cable if you need one (electric motors or other high frequency pollution - are you a ham radio guy? Have fluorescent lights? Live in Nebraska storms?) 14G for extremely long runs like in commercial settings or out to the barn. Maybe protect the cable well with a poly sleeve for trenching? Kids? That's where I got to with this. Biggest tell: the wires inside the speakers. Watch GR-Research chan = great insights.
I was using 16 but then purchased a 12 gauge. I immediately notice a difference in clarity. Sounds more alive.
m listening on a quality system right now and i cant hear a difference. i think you have to go up in power for it to really stand out but it would matter at higher power levels
Those saying they could hear the difference I would invite to a double blind listening test.
None of the high end cable manufacturers will ever agree to such tests.
Solid core best immediate noticeable. F orget the connectors straight wire to speakers.
You need to run this test again. Ensure the wires are properly terminated. I detected a difference in channel levels which could make a difference to the recording. That said, there did seem to be a difference, BUT it could be attributed to the quality of the termination. If the connection in the plug is high-resistence (bad connection) this alone can trash the output.
12 gauge sounds clear,good for tweeters
Try salver cable QED and you will feel defrant it is expansive
I have mission M31 8 ohms 25/75 watt bookshelf speakers. Will 12 gauge make a difference, or is it overkill. If so, what gauge should i use?
What cable are you using at the moment?
@UTILITARIANTVUK
Not exactly sure. They came with the speakers. They are tiny and the cover is brittle and cracking. Looking to upgrade and not sure what to use. Thinking about 16 guage pure copper until I seen your video on 12 guage
It also is the amount of strands in the wire. Electrons flow along the outside of the wire, not through it like water in a pipe. The higher the strand count the less resistance. I use 10 gauge OFC
Come on man.....that system with a Meter or 2 length, Any type metallic Conductors (barbed Wire, welded Chain, copper or cast iron plumbing Pipe, etc) will sound Identical unless you have Hallucinations or chase sonic Unicorns !!
@@tomstrum6259 It is a good thing to be skeptical, but if you have good hearing first, and good equipment that can resolve fine details then you can hear a difference. I used to be like you but hearing is believing.
Listening on a pair of mission 753's and the difference was huge.
I also noticed but . Any Microphone position change?
No, mic was in the exact same position.
I would like to hear a demo with classical or jazz as your choice was too bass heavy for me. Thanks for the comparison though. Ps, you can start trading copper futures 😅
In this vid 14 and 16 are the same to me. But 12 gauge is more open sound and more treble. But for my tastes I need the cable for Home theater I think 16 is the best for me lol
But for music, I think 12 is a better choice. BTW I'm listening on Klipsch RP-8000 II So maybe it's very sounds different with other speaker because my speaker's horn itself is very serious making treble already
i use 10 gauge Van Damme LC-OCF cable, cost £10pm for 4m and worth every penny, terminated with self locking banana plugs, that's the kind of cable you should invest if you have Marantz gear, especially from the budget end. if that amazon cable was £61 for 60m you've been fleeced, that's too cheap a cable for that setup. also, i recommend you get some off the reel Van Damme Locap55 guitar cable for interconnects, £8pm off ebay and put plugs on yourself, you can get a decent half meter cable for just over £20 if you terminate them yourself and it's just as good as a £200 off the shelf lead
I"m installing four speakers in my car, they're 75W each. Connecting to an amp that will push 75W to each speaker. I decided not to use the factory car speaker cable, and instead going to use 12AWG OFC speaker cable
The simple truth is that cables do make a difference. That's not to say that you need to go out and spend a ton of money on over priced cables. There's a point of diminishing returns.
The reason you won't hear much of a difference is going to be based on your equipment and speaker positioning. (If you're in the room.)
Over the net via RUclips... depending on the quality of the recording... most likely not.
The other thing you have to consider is how long the cable run and the amount of electrical noise exists in the room.
You can go on RUclips and watch videos on how to make your own cables. They are more expensive than bare wire, but not the crazy prices you see for some of the over the top cables. They will be worth it... then take more money and upgrade your components. Do room treatments and your music will sound better. Proper speaker placement also helps. If that's the room layout... yeah its no wonder your kit sounds like 'carp'. [sic]
The 12 gauge wire you got is good. Put good connectors on them and its pretty much all you need.
Go out and buy a rug for the floor. Move the speakers more into the room and try to get better placement. (Having the door there isn't helping. )
Again there are videos and blogs out there.
12 Gauge sounds wider you can hear less bass (even bit like if you change the polarity on one side), 14 and 16 sound very similar, maby 14 has a bit more high sounds. I would not even say better, but different.
I honestly didnt think i would hear a difference ,but i did now im wi derung if cca 12 and 14 will sound different 😳
Not sure about 12 CCA Vs 14 CCA but definite difference in OFC.
Great vid and enjoyable presentation. Here's the thing, if anyone wants to actually determine if they are hearing a difference, you cannot listen AND watch the screen as the gauges change. That will influence your psychological reaction...when you see the gauge number change on the screen, you will subconsciously try to hear a difference even if there isn't one. To take this test properly, you must listen without seeing the gauges on the screen change.
I agree. When I was a HIFI nut I spent a load on o2 free cable and gold-plated cable plugs , and thought it sounded better. Then I got my brother to switch cables and did a blind test where I was out of the room. I came in twice not knowing if my standard cable was connected or my expensive gold plated stuff. I chose the standard cable on the blind test. Proving it was "kings new clothes" effect.
I am not saying this is the same for everyone, but fanatics do spend a lot to squeeze out he last bit of performance that perhaps only an oscilloscope would notice.
@@markenetube Good points Mark, an analogy would be the current TV screen "ultra super mega high definition" stuff. The human eye can only perceive resolution and definition to a certain degree; beyond that, any "improvement" in picture quality cannot be perceived. If one is 10 feet away from a 65-inch screen, he will not be able to discern any difference whatsoever between a 4k and an 8k. The returns have diminished to microscopic levels.
@@kennethwilliams4874 I agree. I have seen laptops dumped because they would only go to 720p. When I look at 1080 compared to 720 it looks slightly clearer, but would it stop my enjoyment of watching a video on RUclips? No. You would probably have to go as low as 240 for that to happen.
It is the same with music. You can refine your system until you hear the conductor breathing on the quite parts, but does that make you enjoy it more? It is the same as saying your car system sounds awful. Which compared to your home set up, it may well do, but do you not use it?
@@markenetubeooffff. It’s hard to go back tho after you’ve been on a nice 1080 screen. I’ve been running 3440x1440 for sometime now, and it’s a night and day difference to my old 1080 screens. Forget 720p, lol. Would kill my eyes.
@@kennethwilliams4874oh but Kenneth! Don’t you want to sit on the floor infront of your 165” 8k TV, 2.5’ away, while watching a (maybe) High Def stream of Monday Night Football? We can all huddle around and kink the ever lovin’ piss outta or necks as we try to take in all 165” inches of upscaled bullshit.
12 g ofc to my untrained ears more clarity…best easily! Cheers
Open up even the most expensive speeker and the wires inside are always cheap 22 gauge wire. I challenge anyone to take a blind test with cheap vs. expensive wire and no one can tell the difference.
Speaker cables make a huge difference. I purchased 3 meters of 16 gauge cable and couldn’t hear a thing. So I bought 5 meters of 12 gauge cable and it sounded great. Probably due to the fact that my speakers are 4 meters apart!
If you have that amp and distance the 12 gauge even 10 gauge 99% pure copper is a no brainer. but placebo affect is real as well. so I would never be happy with an alloy wire.
From India - 12awg is little better over the others. I am still using 16awg OFC for my Hi fi audio set up, it works fine. Looking forward to change these with 12awg OFC professional grade cable for more refinement.
Bless you - From USA
bro pls suggest me 12awg cable. i live in delhi.. provide me any online or offline shop
Not a simple comparison here as you've mixed gauge and wire type for each; probably brand as well, which introduces other variables. In theory gauge would not matter for your very short runs - at least with the 12-16 gauges used here. Smaller size wire will have higher resistance and you'd, at minimum, hear a volume decrease with long runs. Wire type is more significant. CCA is crap. I believe that specifics of wire type (with oxygen free being part of that) is way more significant than the gauge.
I Listened to your video. I am having trouble with to much base on a new set of Dynaudio emit 20 , I think I bought speakers to big for my room . But having said that I did find the 12 ofc cable was more to my liking . So being a taff myself living in Clydach Swansea would you consider selling me 6 mts of cable seeing as you have so much. I understand p&p would be included in the price if you would sell me some . Many thanks Gerald
I'm not sure that the cable will make much difference with too much bass. Have you tried pulling them further out into the room or, if you can't do that, using a bass port plug?
yes they make a difference when i listen to my 12awg cables and my 9awg cables they both sound nice but my 9awg cables sound more fuller better bass and midrange. i can hear the difference immediately no doubt i think it depends a lot on the speakers you have and what kind of sound you prefer.
I forgot 12 gauge is larger than 14, and yet I had some draw towards the 14 over the 16 or 12. I think the distortion the cables add can almost act like an equalizer, sometimes tuning the speakers for better or worse.
Same here, I am listening thru my headphones. I am hoping they are all the same length. I scrolled down so I am not biased with seeing which cable was being used and 14 gauge cable sounded the best for me.
Is just my humble opinion, at close range it doesn't make much of a difference, if you're using cables longer than 6 feet then you might notice a slight change, eg. AWG16 is going to have a higher voltage drop than AWG12 over long distance, but the thicker cable is going to have more power handling capabilities at any distance
And now the neighbors are mad at you !!!! 😅
there is difference, very noticable in 12 and 14 and little bit in 16 and 16 and 14 sound best.
I would’ve did this test with R&B
In my phone the ofc cables sounds much better than the cheaper on. More open and detail. The cheaper on sounds really bad, I not even won't explain it.
16 n 14 slightly duller with 12 brighter IMO
You have a very tiny separation between your speakers, so it won't make a difference. For long runs and difficult to drive 4 ohm speakers I use 10awg OFC cable.
I have 16 awg in my bedroom and 10 awg ofc on my other 2 listening rooms.
14 then 16 for me, but barely. It helps to listen with headphones on.
In my experience, 16 gauge on short runs is adequate for most people for 8 ohm speakers. Now if your a high end audiophile you probably want to go to 12 gauge and if you have 4 ohm speakers and are an audiophile you probably should go to 9 gauge.
Hi , here in Australia we use aluminium with copper layer in mains supply. It's cheap it meets requirements. But big BUT it breaks easily compared to plain copper. Its not something to screw in and change your mind too often.
The other thing standard electrical copper is 99.9% . They claim audio is 99.99 %. If anyone can hear that I'm Russian. The gauge is the big problem especially the longer you run it and the lower the impedance of the speaker , check voltage distribution over system. You want the volts across the speaker not the cable. There are many claims but no oscilloscope patterns.
The Stereophile magazine had speaker cable tests with oscilloscope patterns.
You have to remind yourself that a receiver or amp is a computer. It knows that the speakers are too close. With those gauges 16,14 and 12, that was a waste of testing. Speakers that close are 18 gauge. Only a sub that close can use 16awg.
and why not 8 or 10 AWG? the expensive cable speakers use 10 awg
At short runs, I'm not sure it would make much of an improvement.
not much between 14 and 16 but noticeable on 12
Good info. I have a big coil of 12 AWG pure (99.99%) copper power cable lying around the house. Think it will use that now. Also I want to know if twisting two cables together will improve the sound? Cheers from Kolkata, India.
It is said that twisting cables together can reduce interference. However, if your run of cable is less than 3 metres, you probably won't hear much difference and modern amps are pretty well shielded. Also, copper is prone to corrosion, so you would need to make sure it's well insulated.
@@UTILITARIANTVUK Thanks for the reply. Yes, the distance from speakers to amp is a bit more than 3 meters. The cable is an insulated one (used for electrical purposes), but I got the idea. Thanks once again.
10 gauge copper lamp cord beats all three.
It's all about resistance.
I call bullshit on the whole testing process. Placebo effect in play here
yes if your system is resolving enough and your hearing is good and yourre using lossless streaming source like Apple Music instead of compressed Spotify.
My video: ruclips.net/video/8mxQ2BIjsws/видео.html
16 givs a slite differens looks like sounts some what flatter. If its the good word fore it
I've had Monster Ultra 1000 THX cables on my front speakers for years. I added some new gear, and decided to put in new cables. I installed Blue Jeans Canare 4S11 cables and was VERY disappointed. The Canare cables were detailed, but had limited highs and lows compared to the Ultra 1000s. The difference was VERY obvious, and my expectation bias had been in in favor of the 4S11. Testing was same equipment, same distance, same settings, same digital audio source material. ONLY variable was the cables.
What gauge did you use?
The 12 was noticeably better even listening on the phone.
I absolutely heard a difference. Main difference was between the 12 and the 14. The 14 & 16 sounded almost the same. Maybe the 16 was thinner at the high end. The 12 was less compressed and more space between the instruments.
Acoustic Research, 45 years ago, for the top model AR9: night lamp cord will be fine
Yes, I could here the difference. The 12 G OFC sounded more open
i want to see 8 gauge ofc at 4 ft length vs 28 gauge string at 80 ft length
No brainer, the string would win easily!
@@UTILITARIANTVUK its surprising no one on the internet has done a test to REALLY see how much a wire can effect your sound, like will sound die at some point? probably not, when you think about old telephone wires going continents away...
Huge difference to my ears. I did not expect it would be that pronounced. 16 AWG had decent highs and midrange but was somewhat lacking lows. 14 AWG had some lows but sounded dull in comparison. 12 AWG had good lows, way better midrange and good highs. It was better by all means.
Its just because 12 can carry more amperage more power
Next up? Room treatment.
Treated it for cockroaches last week! 🪲
The 12
I dont really care about speaker cable, i use chord rca and speaker cable right now. They sound warm and nice, thats enough for my 55 yo ears..
BTW where is ur Wharfedale 230? I decided to buy after watch ur vid about it.
I upgraded to the Dali Oberon 5s. I loved the 230s especially for the price but the Dali's are even better!
A lot of people don't care, but I do from experience. If someone is in car audio and competing and pushing the limits they need ofc. In car audio cca will corrode. It also can get too hot and catch on fire. You will never see the full rms power of your amplifier with cca. Most don't care and this is why cca will always outsell ofc. I use ofc power wire, speaker wire, and rca wire. The crazy thing is some the best speaker manufacturers out there use cca voice coils. I guess if you never play it loud for extended amounts of time then maybe cca is ok.
10 AWG all the time for me.
14 gauge ofc better mids (b+/8} and slight improvemant bass.
12 gauge ofc better mids (a+/10} and deeper bass.
and that over you tube.
12 Gauge OFC
You can easily hear the difference between the three wires through a cheap set of headphones, I just feel sorry for the people who argue that wires don't matter. "Go clean your ear wax" is the only advice I can give. I recently bought 2 pieces of 8 AWG boating cables with tinned copperwires just to check how they would sound, I was shocked by the difference I heard, they give most branded speaker cables I have spent much more on a run for their money.
It depends on the distance. People who don't hear that big of a difference don't need to "clean their ear wax". Is there a difference? Yes, but variables like distance, equipment, and the environment may play an even bigger role.
@@wasteddude I agree. There is a comparable difference between amplifiers with the same cable set,
@@paniofvetfac1987 you're 100% correct.
The difference between 12 and 14 is so obvious that i am really thinking that there is more than a different cable... Maybe you got the polarity wrong on the 12 gauge cable
IMO speaker cables doesn't necessarily make your speakers sound better but what they do, is ensure the speaker gets a necessary signal it requires to make them sound their best 🤔
The reason why I spent over £1,000 on 9 channels of speaker cables was not just for better performance but also to lower the noise floor!
I had been experiencing an electrical current sound for over a year and it was only when auditioned 3 receivers, that it finally became apparent that it was actually my unshielded cables (one set being the 14 awg Amazon basics) that were the problem.
Got to remember unshielded cables act as antennas for attracting RF/EMI and sadly the longer the cable the better the antenna! That probably explains why, when I look back, I remember I used to have to disconnect my height channels to reduce the electrical current sound! (Probably not describing the sound correctly but that's the only way I know how) well anyway after testing my base level speaker cables and when I was confident enough that they were indeed the problem, I moved on and changed my height speaker cables as well, my room is now over 50% quieter, I've actually just finished shielding my HDMI cables and it's become another 10% to 15% quieter.
Conclusion;
as well as enjoying my setup at medium to high volumes, I can also enjoy my setup at low volumes too. 🥳
If interested you can click on the red dragon twice and see the set-up for yourself.