The Problem With Smartbomb Gatecamps!! || EVE Online
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The "two braincells fighting for third place" line slew me. 🤣
Haha thank you!!
I didn't get it......uh that means.....Oh no !! I'm a Smooth Brain !!
Someone actually had the four braincells to invent smartbomb gatecamps
And oh man Benzie, the way u explained is hilarious
Nailed that intro and that line should win the Oscar!
"vie for third place" but yea, hilarious. I also laughed at "salt farming." I'd not heard that before.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence.
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You quoted Hanlon's Razor, which is all fine and well, but consider Grey's Law: "Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
If something attributable to ignorance or stupidity benefits the actor, though, there's always the chance they've been made known of what they're doing and simply don't care, then it becomes malice.
the ship to take out smartbomb gate camps is the friendship
True, but if you're not in a PvP corp, what do you do? And even then, they have eyes so just dock up when they see a fleet approaching. So many smartbomb fleets have zero losses because it's near impossible to functionally counter.
@@captainbenzie While fully recognizing the investment required, the perfect counter is covops drop. 2-5 stealth bombers, at least 2 with scram to prevent MJD, would kill any bomber fast. As long as the drop isnt within smartbomb range lmao. I had a few bombers try that once on me, it was hilarious lmao.
Thank you for your continued open, honest and playful content. Your vids have been a massive help in so many ways, uncluttering the noise that is Eve for the newbie and making it an enjoyable playing experience rather than a stress filled swearing match at my screen as I have no idea what I am doing and why I keep losing ships. Keep up the great work, and yes I will build on of these with the 2 brain cells I have remaining. Many thanks
Glad you're enjoying! Are you part of a corp?
@ibrahimhpkv9665 What is your in-game name will help you however I can Commander...👍
@@braddow3673 Captain Benzie - I keep it simple 😂
@@captainbenzie my main yes in nullsec but I have a dormant alt that I intend to move to Catskull 😎
@@braddow3673 Thanks help and advice is always welcome, ign Kannen Sunji
TBH gate camping in general is a lil smoothbrained. Btw would love to see some content talking about good pve uses for T1 battleships since it's a common goal for players. Also wanna see the Claymore showcased since claymore is pure love.
We need some sort of smartbomb countering module that can be equipped, which does something like reflections 150% of smartbomb damage back to the attacker, nullifying or greatly reducing the damage to the ship equipped with the counter.
That would be amazing
If only we could group these weapons…
Even fewer Braincells required!!
Second that 😂😂😂
Straight up the best description of smart bombing I have heard. Laughed my ass off and am fitting up a smart bombing ship first time ever. You talked me into trying it. Hilarious!
Lmao good luck
I think there is actually a lesson to be learned from gatecamps in general- using the "ships / pods destroyed in the past hour" map filter and zkill to check your route and to not just warp zero jump when you're traveling through dangerous space (including hisec, if you're going through a place with hisec gatecamps).
Yeah the lesson is people are scumbags
Yeah, awesome. So today I can't fly through a system because there are zero counters available once the camp is up.
True, I didn't say that it was a counter or fix just- a lesson 🙂 the high traffic chokepoint systems around Jita are places I stay well clear of.
I think it keeps the game interesting and is even fun in a weird sort of way. If there's a gatecamp in the way I find a way around, do something else, or go jump in a wormhole. My favorite thing about Eve is the multitude of things to do and how the universe is so alive with people who find creative ways to make their mark, even if it's something low effort like smartbombing a gate.
im pretty sure there's gatecamp trackers to track ship kills at individual gates so you can avoid them
A question for you, do you think the new Suppression system will disallow the ease of smart bombs due to the turrets being stronger? I don't remember if the suppression system (new anti pirate system coming in november) will change the sec status of the system or not, but if it doesn't does that mean its more advantageous for players to keep specific key systems (for hauling or even mining) free of corruption inorder to prevent these gatecamps / smart bombing traps?
It's possible that Suppression may do something like this, yes.
@@captainbenzie If it does, it gives players more of an incentive to side with the empires, especially from the trade perspective.
We will see soon.
@@Gamerznation704or, side with pirates and turn systems into low sec.
Laughed so hard to the intro. On a serious note, though I totally agree with you, been a victim of them as well and when you have to go outside the game to RUclips or reddit to find out what the hell happened and essentially be told how to survive sucks. No personal learning experience, nothing to figure out just learning form a book.
Exactly this and thank you 😂
Here's a lul idea. At random intervals have two Concord Battleships spawn somewhere between two gates (prioritizing high traffic gates) and they each warp to opposite gates. Maybe make them invisible to d-scan.
Couple of days ago i was at a low sec system on the exit of Frat space and there was a traditional gatecamp on the exit to highsec. Blaster fit gnosis with boost, maulus NI to point and a logi to protect the maulus from the gate guns. Didn't seem to have a scout on the other side of the gate and just took any fight that came through. Very experienced cynabal pilot warped through and proceeded to mop the floor with them. Want to know what they said in local after warping off in their pods?
"That was fun!"
No salt, no bad feelings, just fun.
See THATS a good camp, a good fight. The folks I'm talking about are lazy idiots who warp off at the first sign of anything. Too easy to set up, too hard to counter, that's not EVE.
The guys that fly firewall ships in fleets are better pilots than the mainline F1 monkeys. They have a lot to consider especially if both fleets are missile based. Also pipe bombing or whatever Rooks and Kings called it is so funny, just to watch an entire fleet get smoked.
If something in EVE works really good, it will be always combined with some effort and knowledge. Even ganking 🤮😂
If it works to good, there will be always ppl complaining about it. The Question should be; Can i counter it with putting some effort into a tactic. And not how can CCP make it for me safer.
having been on the receiving end a couple of times, the best counter to a "serious" lowsec gate camp is a nice little hotdrop :)
A serious lowsec gatecamp has eyes posted and just warps off at the first sign of a threat
I dunno.. that slamming my face into the keyboard might improve my performance..
Boy do I feel that sometimes 😂
The 🥄 spoon feeding is seriously dripping off the spoon of serious salt and sarcasm here 😂
Was travelling in a shuttle from Amarr to Jita. Everything fine. Travelled back, got blammed. All my implants gone. When that made up over 50% of my networth at that time... I am going to be honest, I just ragequit. I hadn't gotten into exploration back then, so it was not easily replaceable for me and an investment.
After logging back in later that day, I put that system into my avoidance list and I am not travelling through it. Even if I went for a tankier ship, that could tank the damage, I won't, because chances are that this tankier ship would get tackled while aligning out and then swarmed by several of them.
And yes as you mentioned, I can't create those bookmarks, because they are there 24/7 (going by the zkillboard).
sounds like Captain Benzie loathe Captain Bombzie😂
Clever wordplay
I was thinking, having the spawn point in the same place is somthing normal, but what if, it is just my opinion, the ships somehow could make the spawn point change, be it way farter from the gate or in a different location near the gate?
If you warp to zero, or ten, or twenty, you rarely land on that. There's a +/- 10km
Dscan is your friend here
Love sneaking through gate camps in a Nereus 2.
Aww I was hoping to see those mechanics in action
Couldn't get decent footage in time
@@captainbenzie Why not? I thought it was so braindead easy, how hard can it be to get decent footage?
@@tonyth9240 look this guy is a smooth brain.
"Sweaty try-hards". Awesome!!
Right?!
You've got a mocking tone this whole video, but I've had good success CLEARING the gate camps in K-QWHE (Angel epic arc) set up by the NulSec haters trying to derail Havoc before it even begins. I've gotten a lot of saber kills.
Yeah, that's with a fleet though. The Lowsec guys have eyes around that watch for incoming fleets so the campers just warp off and never lose anything
Hi Benzie are there any high sec corps that specialize in anti gate camp operations of low/null sec, it's definitely the sort of pvp I'd be interested in
Thing is, a decent gatecamp, like the "professional" Abhazon crew, just dock up at the first sign of anything incoming
@@captainbenzie Is there an anti smart bomb fitting option?
@@sikkouvol.1996 full tank, basically, but better to just avoid
8 weeks into the game and just had this happen to me for the first time with 1 billion in exploration goods lol. i startled googling the thing that killed me and found this video. expensive lesson and wish it happened when i didnt have that much isk but knowledge is the most important so ty for this video
Glad it helps and good luck!!
Omg Im so stoned watching this and thinking its a great idea but Im constantly getting roasted by the video xD I'm gunna piss from laughing so hard
😂😂😂
Hey what about real footage of smart bombing pvp? 😂 btw there is a twitch channel that shows most of the ganking systems, including the system where you died twice.
Yeah, but again, external tools to handle something that's so easy to set up.
And what footage? "Here's me warping to a gate and here's the death screen'
I neither gate camp or even play EO and even I felt attacked by this intro 😂😂😂
Lmao 😂
I'm still new to the game and haven't had it happen to me, but how can warp literally take you through the middle of planets but somehow you're still able to get hit by bombs?
When you're going through a planet, you are "in warp". The bombs get you as you arrive on grid, having dropped out of warp to sub light speeds
@@captainbenzie odd.. the bar still says "warping" until it doesnt... :P
Very condesending at the start but funny AF!🤣🤣🤣
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I’m rather new to Eve and have learned loads from you. Is there a way to track down gate camped smart bombers and deal them back a little destruction? I mean, retaliation should be a legitimate form of discouraging this type of gameplay.
Not really. I mean, if you go take a fleet to them, they tend to just warp off when you're a system out. Most of these corps have zero losses... Which kinda proves my point
Yes you are right.
It's true, 7 is the highest number a gatecamper can count to.
Even then, only if they still have all their fingers 😂
As a rather new player (have some experience but I still feel like a bloody noob) I do have an opinion on this aswell… Gatecamps, the traditional ones, are okay. You can penetrate them with covert ops and so on pretty easily to get to where you want to go. If you want to move something more valuable you can scout ahead for them, have a trailing scout and an escort. That works like a charm. But smarties are just stupid. Even with a pretty fast non cloaked ship you are basically insta dead and as you said, there is just no counter. I hate losing stuff and I lost a lot in my early days, I became careful and now it’s okay. But what is bugging me, is the whole “high sec” ganking and even gate camping. I agree with you that in general it should be possible to gank someone in high sec, but the cost of it needs to be a lot higher. The mechanics to trick gate guns and stuff like that is just stupid…. Also people who do have “enough” ISK don’t even care about losing their ship vs someone who just got into the game. So the investment for any new player will always be higher even just flying around in high sec and that’s a big problem. IMHO EVE needs a massively punishing system for high sec ganking, and increase punishment for low sec ganking or PvPing in general aswell. Something like confiscating assets on a factions station of a player if they start committing crimes in high sec. Maybe even start blocking said player from even entering systems through Gates if the security status drops below a certain point, at least when it comes to high sec systems.
That will lead to PvPers actually choosing their targets by value of the ship or stuff like that instead of just killing EVERYTHING that comes along their way in Low or Highsec. But in Null Sec it’s still FFA. That would lead to PvP being more selective and make it less appealing for players to just go after a newbies Retriever since the consequences might not be worth it. I’d just like to see the PvP style in low and high sec change to a more SpecialOPS like scenario where you’d actually have to plan for you attack, scout properly and take a risk to score a good kill instead of just waiting for anyone to blast away again and again
I kinda see where you're coming from but you can't tell before you kill in EVE. If you just looked at a T1 Probe as a new player, then experienced players will fly those ships to avoid being ganked. When I spot a Gila running Abyssals 2AU off a gate, my first thought isn't "this could be a newish player using a Povertila fit" it's "that could be a T6 running guy with 500m of red loot in his hold"
Hisec Ganking is hard to set up and it is fairly easy to avoid.
Car down missing work. At least I have 200 hours to cover missing 12. I have coffee and you made me laugh. Thanks. lol
Glad you enjoyed it! Hope things improve for you soon!
I am actually waiting on red frog to deliver 2 Rohks with 16 smartboms when I saw your video. Rohk has 8 high slots, but higher skill requirements for new peeps.
As always love your videos,
Cheers!
I guess this is one of the "meltdown" videos you mentioned a couple of posts ago? I got a chuckle out of it, as I tend to agree with the point of view that the smart bombers are really not putting out any effort into the game. I've done some hunting in the past and it's more exciting for me to actively search for and track a target. I've never really enjoyed the gate camping, when I've participated in one.
Gate camps to defend space, like in Nullsec, are fine. Plenty of counterplay. Used to love running a good gatecamp as an Explorer or Hauler. But not smartbombs. And no, the meltdown videos are my EVE Echoes Dev Q&As 🤣
@@captainbenzie In EO groups can control in space assets in low sec. Why should they not be able to defend them?
@@dragoslove oh they should. But like everything in EO, the risk reward balance should exist. Which it doesn't right now.
@@captainbenzie I guess I'm just not seeing the issue, it's been years since I've landed in a smartbomb passing through low.
How do you smartbomb exactly? At which point do you need to stand?
Ah, I'm not gonna teach that, it's super easy to work out based on Smartbomb restrictions, and how warping works.
@@captainbenzieAlrighty, I guess stand where people are landing after the warp. It's that simple?
@@Metin2Original yup
Gatecamps really are the worst in low sec. In null sure, they're part of territory control but in low sec they really do drive people away in a manner that being scanned down in a mission doesn't.
What about gatecamps in FW circumstances in lowsec to try to keep a system clear as much as possible. Or gatecamp in Highsec (for Havoc reasons)?
lmao that opening paragraph
Thank you!
introduce concord into low sec, but only respond to certain actions that include smartbombing
Ha, jokes on you, I have a single brain cell !
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Lol i ve lost like 4 dst in ... goofy system between Jita and Amarr, the .4 in the last few weeks , to be fair tho i think only once was smartbombson dst, others were cloakie frigates i was in.
OMG love this! Very funny. I do agree with you on this, I think there should be some sort of hit from repeated action such as these. Loss of standing should not be so easy to repair as well, maybe that is the key, Low sec could also have some kind of impact based on this, some kind of aura area effect based on it that reduces stats or something.
I think standing repair is fine and necessary for other things... I think the issue is much simpler. If people want to Tornado camp Tama, fine, it has counters. Make smartbombs unusable on grid with a gate.
Love the vid! Are you able to link the fit?
It's a throw together. Not to be taken too seriously
Would have love to see you go out and smash your head on the keyboard. I have fallen pray to this many times and thought that a shuttle would be a way around it. This was very useful to see the amount of damage that is done by smartboms.
My lessons have been to use eve-gatecamp for any of my travels null-low& hi sec. And the in game map to have a look at the amount of kills in the last hour on my route.
Its hard to say to a new bro that you need to use external websites to navigate Eve. Its like telling a new bro that Eve is a minefield ... here are some other tools outside of the game that can give you assistance but as you mentioned not guaranteed.
Even then, you've identified a gatecamp. Now what? You still can't COUNTER it, you can only ignore it. To actively handle it, you need to know the system COULD be camped, be there WHEN IT ISN'T camped, and set up functional pings.
Once the camp is up? The only thing you can do is ignore it. That's not EVE. EVE is all about counterplay.
@@captainbenzie I treat each system as it might be gate camped, if I haul high value items I go super anal and warp to a close celestial d-scan the gate. If i spot something I try look for a different angle but that can also give then a heads up and just wait for you on the other side of the gate (This is more for the more active campers and less the brainless button smashers). Basic ways I try to get around it is to warp to a random celestial and never to the sun ... past experience show that its also covered.
Only when the systems are empty I brave to warp directly. But saying that have been caught in a bubble in null sec that makes the heart-rate spike.
So been thinking, its Eve and smartbomb gate camping is part of the sandbox. In the beginning missions there are some missions that force you to lose a ship. Think this should be part of the learning path. It's an inevitable loss, not one we like but its going to happen.
@@PaulWaldemarVonZeuner okay, so you warp to a celestial, scan the gate and it's camped. What now? What is your next play? How do you counter the camp? And what if you then find your exit back is camped too...?
Losing ships in PVE and PVP is inevitable, but there are ALWAYS things you can do. Venture in lowsec or ratting in wormholes? D-Scan and fit stabilizers. Exploring? Set up perches, D-Scan, fit for purpose.
Even bubble camps - Interdiction nullifiers. Just smartbomb gatecamps have no viable counter ONCE THE CAMP IS UP.
And "treat every system as if it's camped"? Cool, so every new player should fly to EVERY lowsec system, EVERY gate in that system and set up multiple pings on each??
All of that effort to be able to ignore something that takes seconds to set up and is 100% safe if you have a single set of eyes nearby to tell you to warp off at the first sign of a response fleet.
No mate, you're bending over backwards to legitimise the one form of "PvP" in this game that is utter cancer. Ganking, Nullsec gatecamps, hunting, all of these are fine. They have counterplay. Lowsec Smartbomb gatecamps do not. That's not EVE.
@@captainbenzie yea then I'm buggered. If both gates are camped its game over for me for a week. If eve-gate shows 2 -3 systems with gate campers on it I wait it out or look at a different route... 50 jumps more to go past it. Past experience shows me that if I really want to travel that route and its a know gate camped route I wait for less people to be on or time it close to after server down time.... again .. not all ways successful.
Yip I am bending over backwards, for being the victim to this to many times to count. I have learnt the hard way and as much as im also super salty about it, it's what makes Eve more like real life than any other games. For a solo player like myself this is the world I live in.
Typically the only way I see to anything about it is to form a fleet and go take them on. I have yet to find a corp that is willing to form up and go and do something about it. Maybe if there were greater incentives from Concord to clear gate camps? ... Maybe an idea for a module ( sorry shuttles ), hight slot that takes maybe a script charge, that allowed you to survive a singel charge of a smartbomb, wait till it reloads then you make next jump to hopefully counter that as well? This will then also force gate campers to setup more than just one gate camp. Vicious circle of life.
I'm in Null can you make up a smart bomb fit for a Praxis please Cpt
Got one here in the video 😂
i hate smartbombers - Still.. its hilarious and i cant help but laugh about myself when falling for it xD more power to it :))
i love the first half... laugh so hard :-D but you are 100% correct. I would say all gatecamps are kinda not fun. Its same thing, if you dont know other side of gate is camped, you got pretty low chance to escape (yes, you can try cloaktrick, but thats not 100%). Oh... and hs suicidal station camps. I dont have a great gpu, few days ago I just undocked right into capsule, only heard ding while my screen was still loading. Not fun as well.
If you get caught in a Nullsec gatecamp, or in a wormhole, or usually means you've entered somewhere you shouldn't really be 😉
I don't mind bubble camps for that reason, they're usually territory defense, and if you're gonna be cheeky enough to go places you shouldn't, a covert ops cloak and some good piloting skills (or a nullifier) is kinda all it takes to avoid them
@@captainbenzie yeah, ns or wh camps are completely ok. But im talking about ls gatecamps. With proper instalock, you cant rly get out, especially if there are no good aligns. And avoiding jita station campers is pretty much only depended on your hardware - I know I cant click anything before I die after undocking (unles I got some ridiculous passive tank), so at weekends, I cant visit Jita pretty much :-D. I wish we had something like 1s invulnerability after undock, or till first click, same as for gates. Anyways, great video, captain
Honest question: What, in The Nine Hells of Valeria, are pings (in EVE context) ?
I know what it is wrt network (ICMP packets for diags etc - and NO it's not Packet INternet Groper - that's just urban network legend)......But people keep talking about it in-game.
Do we have SSH/SCP as well ? Can we NFS mount someone's personal locations directory to our client ?
Can we echo a string to /dev/
A bookmark on grid that you can warp to
@@tonyth9240Thanks!! That kinda shocks me....that is the last thing I would have thought it was (given my understanding of the term as above, I thought there may have been some similarity).
Sb camp are super easy to avoid, you just need to break line of warp in dangerous systems
And if you don't have premade bookmarks and they have enough SBs to block the lines from celestials etc?
@@captainbenzie nobody actually block all celestial, and you can quickly check local before warping (several people with criminal timer is huge red flag)
@@bifibloust2240 okay, so your first point is simply untrue in places like Abhazon. And your second point still doesn't change anything I said in this video - you can't counter it. Cool, so now you have to do 19J around the system because some douchebags have spent 2 mins setting up a totally safe gatecamp in Lowsec. I disagree that should be a thing, and telling me how to deal with it (yeah, I know how to avoid them, I've been playing since 2012) simply doesn't address the fact that they are very low risk for very high reward and have ZERO active counter.
At least interdiction spheres have interdiction nullifiers etc
I can't really think of a good reason besides easy kill mails. But smartbombing frigate gangs who are gate camping is certainly a good use for a smartbomming battleship.
Teehee, boom boom!
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This comes strangely after my suggestion of Not Smartbomb Vagabond
1km orbit gf
Thanks, I agree, well said
What I can't understand is how the devs team is smart enough to create such vast universe but can't see gate camping is so ridiculous and needs to be fixed. Btw Benzie, what kind of fix you think could be implemented. I'm leaning toward something that's not erasing gate camping but provide players some kind of counters.
Gate camping in Nullsec is fine to me, but not Lowsec. Lowsec provides too many safety considerations for the bomber.
Either, smart bombs can't be activated on grid with a gate, or add a fiver minute timer from the moment one is activated that stops docking or safe log off.
I tried to activate a Dumbomb once...it told me to naff off because I'm an Alpha. Tough....
Love the Smooth Brain reference......a nod to all the koalas out there....
Would love to see your content from this fit good luck
There's really no content to be made in Lowsec Smartbomb Gatecamps. We did one to prove a point, the previous campers ran and docked the second they saw a fleet moving their way, and then we sat and got a few easy kills, reimbursed everyone we popped, and then decided it was freaking stupid and went home.
Imagine the video "Here's me sitting 10km off a gate for four hours, activating smart bombs and doing nothing else" 😴
A sound argument I guess. @@captainbenzie
What's the point of censoring the powergrid bar when the number is still there? 19,125
Just where my censor happened to fall 😅
Very sharp and fun, Captain. I like your style. Smarbomb camps are like old fashioned minefields. Evil and coward. Loosing a ship is the real learning experience. You know they exists after you encounter one.
True, but you still have to go back to that system when it's not camped and set up the pings. So much effort to counter something that's so easy and risk free to set up
@@captainbenzie i totally agree. Too much effort to counter. But this viciusness is intriguing for a traveller I think.
@@captainbenzie This content is good especially for the fact that explain in such a brilliant manner a new eden threat to newbros!
I saw the POS corp doing this yesterday. F those guys.
I dunno, they seem to have upped their game of late. Covering celestials seems to be a recent effort, almost got me in Tama (took a frigate on a whim and had just enough tank) but got caught by a cloaky one when the gate was in D-scan range and only a single pilot in system. Didn't even have the dead giveaway alt parked on the approach gate.
Yup
warp in with 20 alliance bros to clear em out, then wait for em to come back and do it again
Look at their killboards. The ones in Abhazon have scouts a jump out and dock up the second they see signs of a fleet
How to avoid being killed by gatecamps, with or without smartbombs; Use scout alts, if you dont have any -> warp to pings, if you dont have any -> warp at range like 100km and see if there is something if the gate was not in dscan range.
If you are worried to be caught at the other side, use ships with align time under 2 sec to be safe.
If it´s in space where bubbles are allowed, use ships with nullifier. T2 Transport ships can use them too.
Never ever travel in Pod´s or Corvette´s. Use at least shuttle´s.
My last tip, if you know the area is hot use zkill to check if there were some kills with gatecamps, you can use a ingame tool, too. But i believe that is not that much helpful compared to zkill.
All this needs some effort and you need to know the options and maybe need the skills to use some of the ships to pass trough, but dangerous space should not be to much accesable for any newbie anyway so i think it´s kinda ok.
The only thing i would maybe complain about is this proteus pod hunter thing. But i mean could even avoid that with warping to a safe first so he can´t see where you are warping at with your pod. And that things die frequently, too.
I mean you can talk to CCP change these and that, but the game is so old by now i dont think they will make changes to make the game really safer by now. So try to find tactics to avoid what you can´t fight. The golden rule is, if it is possible you will see someone doing it sooner or later.
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All of this is "proactive" countering and is exactly my point. The only way to beat it is to know it exists in the area you're going, have all the things set up ahead of time, and have the right ships available. All of this to handle something that takes seconds to set up, and is completely safe to do.
That's not the risk/reward that EVE is supposed to represent.
@@captainbenzie it is not completely safe.
If you Look at zkill you will see that a smartbomb mach costs billions and they Lose them time to time. Even snuffed Lose ships and caps.
@@kiritokun7474 lmao - okay, so 99.9% safe then. They see a fleet coming, they just dock up. Not hard.
@@captainbenzie i believe RUclips dont like zkill links, check out zkill and look at who is camping tama and look at their losses. their is no safety and low effort in EVE.
@@kiritokun7474 check out the Abazhon gatecamping community. I forget their name. Not a single smartbombing battleship loss in the ENTIRE CORPORATION.
Tama isn't a big smartbombing system. It's a lot of tornadoes and fleet actions. Abazhon. Rancer. These are the kinds of systems I'm talking about.
Dont Travel in a shuttle. Use a plated geddon for Travel. Be aware of the sec status of the systems you are traveling thru. I’ve lost billions in implants on smartbomb camps. But it’s part of the game. The countermessures to be taken, is to remove the gatecampers with force.
Ah yes. Because everyone has a plated geddon just to avoid dickheads who warp away at the sign of a fight. Rather than apologizing for the cancer, it needs fixing. PvP is fine. Piracy is awesome. This is just too easy to set up, too hard to counter and that is anathema to everything in EVE.
@@captainbenzie ofc all has that 😉😆 I agree to some point. Yes it’s easy to setup and hard to impossible to counter. But it’s still part of the game. You always has the choice to a safer route. God knows How many bills I’ve lost on implants to smartbombing. But it made me more aware of Where I’m flying.
@@hrthomas2022 none of that helps newer players. Telling them "just avoid that system and do 32 jumps rather than 13" kinda shows that it's a problem. There's no good solution.
@@captainbenzie I think it helps new players understand the risks they are taking. All games has risks and some of them are not “fair”. Gatecamps with smartbombs are not fair, But they easily avoided with a few tools. But I agree that it would be nice to have some kind of anti-smartbomb-thingy or mechanics that could counter it. 💪🏼
@@hrthomas2022 no, I disagree. It doesn't teach them anything other than "sometimes this game just fucking sucks and people are dicks".
Standard PvP teaches you to fight or escape. Smartbombs teach you that sometimes there's nothing you can do. They are not the same thing. That's NOT good game design.
Easier way to pad killboard (for the risk averse :)
Grab a Vigil and throw on a target painter and some sensor boosters. This bad boy will lock onto gank Tornados at an insanely long distance (175km at max skill). Just hang out up there at the top of Jita 4-4 and paint those flashy targets. The range of the painter doesn't matter; as long as you can lock on and activate the painter, you'll get on the killmail.
High power
2x 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I
Medium power
4x Sensor Booster II
1x Target Painter II
Low power
2x Signal Amplifier II
Rig Slot
2x Small Targeting System Subcontroller II
1x Small Targeting System Subcontroller I
Set your safety to yellow so you don't paint anything that isn't flashy by mistake.
That's... Actually really funny 😅
An anti-gank smart bomb would be hilarious. Warp scram and a web and just pumble them down while laughing. Might try this later tbh
Smartbombs, they're smart so you don't have to be!
Ive collected thousands of corpses smartbombing, my single favorite kill though was blowing up some poor guys leopard carrying a 30-day plex. He was rather displeased. But even a two braincelled smartbomber knows you warp to pings when flying through systems like rancer.
I mostly did it for corpses. I liked to RP a little and carry a load of corpses in every pvp ship. This was how i funded that lmao.
Honestly learning how to avoid smartbombs is good practice for survivability.
-Hes smartbombing ping warps
--Have more than one ping
Take the long way. I live in low sec and still take my alt the long way to jita.
Day one noob flying to low sec (there are warnings by default) is tantamount to going to an area much higher your level in any other rpg.
Its lazy pvp, 100% and you can kill them easily.
Never assume a gate in low sec is safe.
My alt got smartbombed the other day while my main was hunting the other end of the pocket lmao. So it happens to us too =P
Another great video, thanks Cpt
Retaliation video for having more losses than kills.
Lmao, no, just got blapped, stopped and thought about it, and thoughtpiece video.
100% Agree. There should not be a mechanism that allows one player an absolute advantage over another player with zero countermeasure or defense. It is for the same reason new players start in safe, 1.0 security systems- so they are not easily prayed upon. FWIW, I use EVE gatecamp check before I travel through low sec systems, and while it isn't 100% perfect, it can give you a little extra information before you travel. Love the video, and yes, I laughed several times.
Perhaps align and warp acceleration has gotten too fast. This sadly becomes the compensation for that. Personally I don't think the penalties for ganking are expensive enough. Imagine your local police department sitting at an intersection where 2 guys were smashing car windows stealing cell phones and coffee mugs from the vehicles that stop at the light. They arrest them, they are back on the corner doing the same thing 20 minutes later. Arrest them and they return 20 minutes later and do it again. Hummm... something seems off.
Nothing to do with align and warp acceleration. Smart bombs were designed for anti-drone/missile use with some anti-frigate capabilities also. This is one of those "players found a way" things, but one that, like you said, is just too safe and not punished.
@@captainbenzie I was thinking of it in a power creep thing...the aligning and warping out has gotten so much easier unless your side is using a 3 ship team for 'catching' someone at gate camp. Power creep is a thing in games and a ship like the T3's that can do it all in game...yes they can be beat but without lots of help or prior knowledge as you pointed out in your vid.
@@darkarcanum1814 T3Cs really aren't that powerful and they absolutely cannot do everything, certainly not by fit.
Polarized weapons are in the same boat tbh
Those I don't mind since they have one heck of a downside and a price tag.
Wha??? Blinky on OV … check. Button … check. Boom … check. … But wtf is a „fryjend“???? Smth like a snacky thingy???
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Smart bombing near gates in highsec and lowsec should be treated as a war crime by concord, and because concord own the marshal black ops ship. Tell me again why they can't cyno in a swat fleet.
Hahahaha!! Knowing what happened the other day makes this even more amusing 🤣🤣
I lost two cheap pods. This isn't salt (I lost a 7bn Mamba and laughed and I get ganked frequently enough) but that incident got me thinking about it
the mini-doomsday ships now in lowsec .. are much worse i think ..
making systems like Tama unusable for traveling. i can live with smartbombs, but those thngs are much worse, as there is no defence or way arround them, you just going to die.
Which ships?
@@captainbenzie usually Hubris or other Dread's armed with Disruptive Lance weapons, no chance of passing, regardless of what you flying. you can;t jump so they can take any time they need to decloak and hit you with everything they got. you can;t hide, can;'t run and can't jump either, worse than nullsec bubbles in my opinion. just go to tama in a stealth bomber or something else thats cheap and can covert-cloak, then perch the gate, and enjoy the show, NOONE is going to pass.
Wait until you find out about smart bombing people mid warp. Now give me my crayons back please
Pipe bombing at least requires skill and set up
Haha. Gate perimeters go BOOM!
I can feel the salt in this 😂. Just perfect
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New players shouldn't expect to go anywhere they want in the game safely (such as Ahbazon). "Players should learn" that Ahbazon and Tama are very dangerous places best avoided and never risk-free even for vets. Space is big enough for gentlemen and dicks alike. I operate in Aridia and the people ganking me on gate camps are some of the better PvPers in Eve - check out Chloroken's ANT #14.
There is no counter that you can do once the camp is up. It's just a "guess I'll die then" with little to no counter. These Lowsec campers usually post eyes around so they can dock up if a fleet is approaching. Zero risk.
My issue is simply that there is nothing you can do once the camp is up except avoid it. You have to know a system is likely to be camped, and have set up functional pings at a time when it's NOT camped.
Please do also note that I'm talking about Lowsec. You just linked a Nullsec camper. I have no issues with that.
The vid shows him in lowsec taking on resident corps in Aridia - I'm not referring to Chloroken himself. These guys are good PvPers, not scrubs. Just because a gang wants to shut down access to an area by all means possible does not mean they aren't skilled players. You say you like pirate role play in your mamba videos but pirates don't fight fair. It's part of what distinguishes low sec. Pretty much every MMO has no go zones for all but endgame players. Smart bombs are not new to the game.
Most people feed pirates with easily avoided kills . Orbit in fast inty scramming smartbombers and watch them bleed to gate guns is ok especially with some arty friends . If you have good pings pre organized you can get the arty back up aligned to them to warp to if the inevitable pirate response comes then they can continue shooting .. Everyone should know about rancer etc . Losing ships is eve economy . Long live pirates ! We have all lost to sb camps . Big deal lol . Get organized is the whole point of eve .
Sorry, apologising for shitty behaviour is shitty behaviour. Check zkillboard on these folks, zero losses because they warp off at the first sign of any actual fight. It's a cowards tactic, like landmines. And what's the counter to knowing about Rancer? You have to get there WHEN IT ISNT CAMPED and set up pings. That's not gameplay.
PvP is good for EVE, yes. This is just lazy bullshit that's way too safe and easy to set up and way too hard to counter effectively. That is anathema to what EVE stands for.
there used to be public intel channels and people prepared to sit around and report when clear . But yeah warping away is deffo a thing with pirates :)@@captainbenzie
@@MyKharli you can't warp away from a Lowsec Smartbomb Gatecamp. You're dead on arrival. Instantly.
i meant the pirates warping away , but with intel and people bothering to report they give up with no targets . Fly dangerous and only in things that rile you when you lose it :)@@captainbenzie
I can't wait to try this, thanks for the tutorial 😅
* They place a jusy Marchael for us to warp , they have'd a Bubbler cloaked , as soon Marchael was pointed ;; they was already on a Titan rdy to go ...Oooo cyno !!! , decloack >bubble is up, drop a Cyno down...warping us to the gate anyway....and then : Pulsing....14 000 dps from those 10 Battleships .....and you have a Triade 'Carrier rdy to jump to come back on that cyno if something bigger lands* // aka Rooks and Kings: Clarion Call 4 video ;)
Long live ..the Expert !! .to explane what was happening , whille it was happening !
Disco Fleet pretty mutch kill all of us o7
In Nullsec I have no issues with it. In Lowsec it's just too safe, too easy to set up, too hard to counter
@@captainbenzie ....you can allways bring More to the grinder :)
@@Spiritt_Daphiti nah. Whilst these campers are all proof that evolution CAN work in reverse, they're at least switched on enough to post eyes in neighbouring systems so that they can run like the cowards they are when a response fleet shows up. Check their Zkill, very few losses if any. That's why I hate this rancid playstyle. No risk, but all the bragging rights.
Zkill buddy may bait you ! :) tip: Force Recon Ship or HAC , and abit of Armour Plating
I'm not sure how that's worse than high sec ganking. You can kill the smartbombing ships. Assemble a small fleet, obliterate them. They are not protected by CONCORD. You can't defend from high sec ganking. You may "avoid", but not "defend". You can hardly bait, as they can scan ship, bump ships, while still fully protected by CONCORD. I've seen people say "have intel on nearby systems", "watch local", "D-scan". Basicly you must - according to them - deploy all three tactics from null, low, WH *combined* in HS. But wasn't it all about risk/rewards? Something doesn't add up.
And BTW all you get is loosing anyway. Yes because loosing / winning in high sec ganking isn't about killmails. It's about disrupting operations. Intel, local, D-scan are useless, since you can't PvP the shit out of them if you wanted to. In null you have reds nearby? Dock your mining ship, get your PvP alt, hunt them. Can't do that in HS. Your local is up? Get ready your bait skiff is about to make you day. Or theirs. Not in HS. HS ganking is the only PvP you can't counter with PvP.
That's the only criteria. When counter-PvP is denied. Smartboming BSes don't qualify. You lost some pods to them. Show me the km when you got back and killed those sitting ducks. It's not like you don't know exactly where they are and what they're doing and probably how there're fitted.
Also, I spent loads of time instructing newbies in a HS corp. We lost members to HS grief-ganking Nobody that ventured in low sec (sometimes literally - in a venture) ever quit for a loss.
They were instructed. Go there if you love danger (we won't stop you) be prepared to loose your ship. You to die with honor is all we ask. And/or make us laugh when you tell your story. Pretty much everybody understood the concept of PvP and PvP areas, where you can shoot at me and I can shoot at you. It's the "they can shoot at us but we can't shoot at them (*)" concept that's harder to grasp. And add griefing on top of that.
(*) well, only after they've already decided to loose their ship on their terms
Hard disagree
Hisec ganking requires setup and it requires skill. It also has high risk due to CONCORD response and players can actively counter you (burn away, break warp with stabilisers etc)
Check out any smartbomb gatecamper. No losses. Why? Because you put eyes in the neighborhood and on the first sign of a response fleet, you just dock up or warp to safe and log. Simple.
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There's zero risk in HS ganking, as they dictate the engagement to the very last second. They have all the time in the world to ship scan and do the math on EHP. You can't run, you can't kill them.
What do you mean stabilisers BTW. Stabs do absolutely nothing if you're bumped. And anyway even when stabs were passive, no barge had enough low slots to counter scrams from the right number of catas used to kill it (the procurer has 3 low slots but it also requires more catas to kill). Today, just 3 catas are +6. You can't counter that with a stabilizer.
All it takes is a no-name venture. In HS you can't warp an entire fleet op out just because a newbie in a venture shows up in the same belt. Or because a stabber shows up in D-Scan.
Again the goal is to disrupt operations, not get kills, and it's op success for the gankers if a venture or a stabber gets the job done just by showing up. The stabber is a good bumper but it's nowhere the only possibile choice. I've seen gankers use T3Cs to bump. High mass, high speed, brick tanked so that it's totally impractical for you to gank them. Stabbers are dirty cheap, hard to catch due to raw speed and anyway require 10x the ISK to kill with catas. And there's not SRP for you.
I might agree on competence, a minimun of math on EHP is required, but it's not that typical barge fits are complicated. Other than that, once the stabber (or any mass+speed ship good at bumping) is on grid, you're done. They have 3 hours to scan your ship, log in the right amount of catas and gank you. And good luck trying to counter-bump. And BTW for at least 2 barges, the max amount of EHP is known and relatively low, even with boosts from an Orca, so scanning isn't necessary - just bring 1 or 2 catas more. They are free after all. Usually everything is over in less than a minute after the 1st bump.
What people don't seem to realize is that CONCORD is there to protect the gankers mainly and deprive others of PvP content. They can bump you, scan you, and there's abolutely nothing you can do to stop them because of CONCORD. Anywhere else that would lead to content. Instantly.
A stabber can follow your fleet for hours, and there's nothing you can do about it. And bumping costs nothing.
Nothing like that can happen in low or null, because you have PvP options to stop it. People can be baited, can be dropped, there's a lot you can do. You have PvP options.
Simple solution - limit the number of SB's that can be fitted. CCP *could* fix it if they thought it was a problem...
I don't agree that's a simple solution as it inadvertently nerfs legitimate use too. Using Smartbombs to catch a cloaked seeder on a wormhole? Fine. Using Smartbombs for ratting? Also fine. Reducing the number of Smartbombs that can be fitted would negatively affect these things as well.
The solution needs to deal only with the problem.
@@captainbenzie meh.. i don't agree with you at all. The entire reason smartbombs are a thing, is for larger ships to counter drone swarms during fights. Just because people have adopted mass-smartbomb spamming as a lazy mechanic to do other things, doesn't make them legitimate gameplay.
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As a nullsec and bloc player smartbomb gatecamps are semi effective at helping prevent mass projection and delay formups during strat ops.
In Nullsec, fine. Lowsec is my issue
@@captainbenzie skill is your issue
I hate how I thought about this years ago but never acted on it.
For it to be a thing now...
I guess this is less of an economic issue, but a cultural issue.
It's been a thing for a long time. Too long.
it does require some vigilance to make sure you aren’t counter ganked by stealth bombers or something. even some gate camps can get nuked by blops. it’s easy enough to avoid being killed by smartbombs. Warp to a ping first. Watch killboard or check map for kills in the last hour. You can also sit on a gate for a long time and get no kills. Or pods with 10k.
You don't need to explain how to "survive" these things. I literally talk about it in the video - but a newer player has no idea how to do that. And there's no "counter". That's just avoidance, and even then not guaranteed (Abazhon often covers the Celestial approaches too)
Nothing you've said counters my point that "They are too easy to set up, too hard to counter, and do too well". They break the EVE design philosophy of Risk:Reward ratios.
Everything is new and lethal to newer players. Duh.
@@Robertsmith-un5cu and still you miss my point - those other things have obvious counters and play into EVEs Risk:Reward ratio.
Contrast the scene of a guy warping into a mining belt, locking you down, and destroying you (clear cause and effect, you can see what happens and can see ways out) to the scene of warping to a gate and being instantly on the podded screen with no clue as to what even happened.
This does not. You have not addressed any of the points I made not made any of your own currently.
Smartbomb Gatecamps are bad design and fundamentally go against EVEs design philosophy.
@@captainbenzie So you think some noob should be safe from warping into 0.4 to the most dangerous heavily pirated system in eve online and NOT get killed? You know it does take a lot of skilled characters with machariel smartbomb fitted ships, covering every single warp in on a stargate. Its not like a noob spawns 1 jump away from these systems. You seem to think that EVE should be fair all the time. Ultimately thats what youre complaining about. Sometimes if you jump into shark infested waters YOU WILL get ripped apart. The point is not to jump in at all.
@@Robertsmith-un5cu and now you're taking my argument and extrapolating things I haven't said.
No, I don't think newbies should be completely safe, it's almost insulting that you think I could believe that, especially since I literally say so in the video.
My point is, normally in EVE the shark infested waters have ways that you CAN swim if you're quick on your feet. Normally there are signposts telling you that it's dangerous. And normally the sharks have to put effort into getting into those waters and getting kills.
Smartbomb Gatecamps aren't hard to set up. I've done enough in my time. And they're almost impossible to effectively counter. Those Abazhon guys, as an example, check their killboard. Mostly zero losses because it's so easy to just warp off and dock up at the very first sign of any resistance.
Again, please watch the video and READ my comments. My issue is that:
A) There is no ACTIVE counter to one. You have to know about it, and how to counter it, ahead of time. Nothing else in EVE requires this.
B) The ease of setting one up and getting kills is massively disproportionate to the amount of kills and loot one can get doing it. Again, this is an outlier in EVE. Normally, high reward comes from high risk. Here, it's high reward, low risk.
C) Most folks who encounter it are killed, ship and pod, instantly. They don't even get a learning opportunity to see WHAT killed them. Again, in EVE, this is unheard of.
Baseline point: Smartbomb Gatecamps break many of the core EVE design principles and are the ONLY system in the game that does so.
That's my point. Stop trying to extrapolate beyond that or tell me "what I think" etc. that's my point. Counter those.
This is the best kind of salt
Except it's not salt. I don't care about losing a few million in plugged in implants. The incident got me thinking about it.
I don't think it's fitting for EVEs core gameplay concepts that a Lowsec gatecamp is so easy to set up, so hard to functionally counter (they have eyes that see incoming fleets so they just dock) and impossible for players to handle once it's up. You need to know a system COULD be camped, go there WHEN ITS SAFE, and set up functional pings ahead of time.
That's not EVE.
Im not using smartbombs and lost alot of shuttles to them, my favorite was when i had multiple billion in my t1 frigate realizing im running my scout behind when i heared the heart atttack causing sound of the hull alarm. My ship was fitted to tank one sb Machariel. Cant say whats what for the game, just have my humble personel opinion that lowsec have to be dangerous to be fun.
Did you hear the part in the video where I pointed out that it's PERFECTLY POSSIBLE to set up a gatecamp and align to the celestials? Covering those approaches too lmao
@@captainbenzie i did, but in reality the campers only cover the most frequented direction, traveling rancer ahbazon amamke at daily bases and not had any issues so far with that, yeh its possible but ppl want to get as much kills as possible so they dont care about some few that slip threw their fingers, also, a good gate ping is not aligned with anything warpable
I have to agree, smartbomb gatecamps are nothing but saltfarms and almost had me quit the game in my first month. I'm glad I stuck with it but I'm sure there are many who didn't and just quit.
Exactly my point. Glad you stayed.
I'm one of those who left the game 13 years ago. Just got an Apocalypse with very hard earned ISK and lost it within hours to a smart bomb gatecamp. Left the game, never looked back, and just recently returned
Yeah I lost a travel ship moving from Amarr to Jita from a bullshit smartbomb setup. They need to do away with the lowsec system between the two hubs honestly...
Niarja? That was player caused during the Triglavian invasion
There are some cowardly douchebags (Safety Set to Red) that do this on the short route from Minmatar space to Jita. They fancy themselves as Elite if you can believe that.
Rancer. Yup, horrid place
Simple solution, remove smart bombs from the game. They are only used for gate camps which is clearly an exploit.
You mentioned ratting with them... Ehhhh, rat some other way it's not hard.
Smart bombs are useful for PvP (anti-drone), PVE (Nullsec krabbing, and I use them on Marauders for C5)
Removing the module isn't a smart idea. Just restrict their use - like how can't anchor bubbles in Lowsec or some things can't be dropped near gates. Just make it so smart bombs can't be used within 100km of a gate or station in Lowsec. Fixed.
fun fact: ahbazon exist only because edentard complaining that niarja was unfair, making all the triglavian player who put sweat and tears utterly useless, and the smartbombers campers very happy
I stopped for 6 years because I got killed a lot in the past do to my unpreparedness, lack of skill and being a just a genuine noob who had difficulty with accepting the losses of his ships.
This year I thought about giving the game a chance again.
You know ever since I started again this has happened to me twice now the first one wasn't that big a deal lost a shuttle mid warp.
But the second one I did a courier contract with high risk an high reward it made my heart beat with excitement for a moment.
I know pvp is part of eve but this brainless strategy that is very hard to counter did indeed for a moment made me think about quitting the game right then and there when I lost my cargo at the last gate that separated null sec and low sec.
After all losing 1.8 billion isk in collateral losses is a hard pill to swallow when your space poor I got too greedy 36 million isk for transporting a mere 0,01 m3 and just 22 jumps was too tempting an offer.
Luckily age has grown me into man who can handle these type of losses now and walk it of on his own.
But I learned from that I am gonna need to improve my skills and that I should avoid doing jobs in null sec and low sec for a while and I will only enter those places from now on when I either have buddies watching my back or having overwhelming firepower and a ship fitted to tank the shit out of these smart bombs.
But more importantly I must improve my abilities to gather information and will need to plan ahead more and have backup plans should things go awry when I enter those places again.
It was so easy to enter yet when it came to leaving the trap was already set.
I also need to become more comfortable again with combat and cloaking I am way to inexperienced in those fields and that should have been an indicator that I am not ready to enter those places yet.
Glad you've taken it well and learned the lessons - sad that these gatecamps are so easy and lucrative, though.
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You know it ain't that bad it is just game after all I can take the loss and I will look forward to getting them back some day when I am in a better position.
What was worse in my opinion wasn't the isk loss though.
What was worse in fact was that when I tried to contact the people who killed me in a polite calm manner.
I got zero response.
Truly disappointing at least most earnest pvpers and gatecampers have the courtesy to respond.
But these smart bomber gatecampers they are a truly toxic bunch who are just out to hurt you.
It is no wonder most are temped to quit when faced with them.