A couple notes from Jeff @ JTR: For some reason, people think we put bedliner on our speakers however, it's a specially developed non-reflective lacquer paint. Custom finishes are available. Crossover point is 850hz at 24db/oct.
haha. Man, I drug that stinking chair out of my house to the driveway. And I had to take the door off the hinges to get it through the doorway! I thought about just not even going through with it but I couldn't *not* do it. So, I grabbed the drill and got to work. Dedication! 😂😂😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner Treat yourself; have a high quality black/white poster sized print made off your capture ... then have that print matted/framed... and, voilà; the perfect decor for your home theater, etc.
Best review of these speakers I have seen. Subscribed The heavy HF output and narrowed coverage angle are helpful for those who put them behind screens.
I remember fellow A/V enthusiast Youthman featuring full JTR home theaters on his RUclips channel in the past. One as crazy as an 11.6.6 Dolby ATMOS setup!!!! He has a full LCR/ subwoofer setup with the Noesis 212s and a pair of the sealed dual 18" subs and he loved the setup so much that he SOLD his Klipsch LaScallas that he had as the LCRs IN FAVOR of the JTRs. Jeff also makes 18" subs in different shapes and sizes with one or 2 driver configurations and the company may be young but it sure has a promising future ahead of it. If someone wants a set of speakers that would piss off the neigbors, JTR would be a great place to look as they would get to party levels of loudness WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT. If i were to be a mobile DJ, i woulsd DEFINITELY look at JTR as a louspeaker option.
Excellent video Erin. I enjoy learning about this sort of stuff. I've never been too heavy on the technical, more on the construction/building aspect of speakers. I really like the design of JTR speakers. Having a similar setup for my HT, the 1299s, I can attest that these designs get stupid loud! Would be fun to take a trip with one of them to your place one of these days... For science!!
Dude! Bring it!!!! I'd need your help to lift the ridiculous things on the Klippel. LOL. Thanks for watching, man! And feel free to ask any questions if/when something doesn't make sense.
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks man. I just need to watch more of your videos. You know, drive up that view count! Lol always learning... and yea I'll need help leading them in the truck on my end 😅 stuff that big isn't the easiest! Keep it bud 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Hey Erin I have a quick question. I currently have an svs ultra center channel and was thinking of buying one of these for my home theater. Do you think this speaker would be a good upgrade for getting more detail in movies? I want to be able to hear a pin drop in quiet parts. Did you find yourself hearing things in movies that you didn't hear before? Thanks. Love your channel by the way. 😃👍
I demo'd these speakers and found them to be harsh. Everyone was raving about them in the demo, but they were all older guys and I think maybe their high frequency hearing may be compromised and that's why they liked them so much. I also think maybe the guys that are drawn to this are the types who listen extremely loud and are most likely to have damaged high frequency hearing. The fact you had hearing protection on for the loud tests shows me you take care of your hearing. Really interesting points about applying smart EQ though, maybe if someone is doing a four or five row theater these may be a good choice because of their power handling and sensitivity. In a small room (say 2 row theaters) I think having wider radiation wayyyay better, makes the room sound bigger. For that reason, even the Harman stuff that measures way better than these JTR speakers, still aren't my preference in small theaters. Great review, Erin!! You're the best on RUclips.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 These 210s may be JTRs most modest offering, but they're still 2,000USD. For that price, they should measure and sound better. To answer your question: In 2019, at AXPONA, I heard the 212RTs... so basically the tower version of that. They were good performers for such a large space, but nothing I'd put in a typically sized home theater. Everyone there was blown away by their performance, but I really am starting to believe a lot of these guys are older and have been getting bigger and bigger speakers and are starting to damage their hearing (or it's just from old age). The 212RTs narrow dispersion worked much better in the large AXPONA demo space though, basically reiterating that these would be a better choice for very large rooms where people are seated far away. In the average basement people are putting these into, IMO it's a bad choice in speakers. Obviously I'm a minority in this opinion, because people overall love them. I think the subwoofers are excellent, I think the iterative approach he does to design on the speakers is a little concerning and makes me think that he's not really validating his designs very well before putting them out. IMO he should design a speaker for smaller rooms that will have a wide dispersion and sound more spacious, but I imagine the margins are better in making larger and larger stuff. I saw now there is RTJ which is for installers and it's an even bigger speaker. Maybe in a theater with 5+ rows they make sense. 20-30ft seating distances, etc. But I see the tiny little theaters people on AVS toss these into and I just have to assume they're deaf lol.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 Yep! It can come down to preference. I just noticed a lot of the people loving them were older in that demo. They weren't all VERY old, but you could also tell the people in love with them were loudness junkies that probably already messed up their hearing. I have JTR subs with focal mains. So, I'm not anti-JTR. I think their subs are great, their speakers are just getting put into too small of rooms and are too bright. He could design a wider dispersion speaker that is still high sensitivity and voice it more neutral. I say the people loved it, but, it was a very focused group of people. I think if you got a wider sample people would prefer better measuring speakers... at least that's what the research says.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 Yeah, that's kind of my point. social media becomes an echo chamber where bad products get a big following just because they're loud and used to be reasonably priced. bright speakers tend to wow people in demos, but are awful to actually own. so now you have people paying 2 grand each for speakers that measure like this. Glad you like your speakers though, i don't really g.a.f. as long as you're happy (it's become obvious your posts are copes)
Looks like all the issues are around the crossover frequency and the integration of the HF & LF. I would have thought a better driver layout would be for the HF to be on top followed by the 2 LF units below. A layout used extensively in cinemas.
My neighbor also looks at me weird when I work on my car for hours. He thought I was crazy when it was 50 degrees here in Florida and I'm in shorts and a T shirt.
Any plans to review 212htr and the 110’s. It seems like they are wildly popular in the HT community, and are at the top of the consideration list, but would really like to see some data. Thank you
No immediate plans. Jeff did mention sending me some stuff for review but I don't recall what it was. You can contact Jeff to see if he'd be willing to send me some loaners.
Sorry for asking an off topic question. Your most center channel suck video really hit home for me. Do you have a list of center channel speakers that are really good based on the data. The kef 650c went on my list due to that video. I was saving up for the heco Aurora speakers but their center is 2 way and I knew that would be a no go. So I'm thinking just have hecos auroras all around with kef center in white. P.s. I now understand the spl radiation pattern because of you. Thank you so much for that.
If you have to go with a horizontal center channel, then I think the Q650c is worth your consideration for sure. Generally, I suggest ordering from a retailer you can return it to if you don't like it (for some reason).
@@ErinsAudioCorner Follow up question, I just checked on FBMP and someone in my neighborhood is selling the KEF R11,R2C, R5(bookshelf) for ~$4K, he still has the boxes. Is this deal well worth it? I haven't heard you mention the R2C yet
Please try and get the 212HTR I think they would blow you away compared to these. These are the only main stage speaker in the lineup to not have the ultra high end coaxial compression driver the rest of Jeff’s speakers have.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 If you guys want me to test those then I suggest also reaching out to Jeff and asking if he would be willing to loan me some for review as well.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Ok will do. Thanks for all the content Erin appreciate it greatly. Have you ever heard the JTRs r series with the coaxial compression driver?
@@ErinsAudioCorner one other quick question do you think an Arendal 1723 thx system or a JTR 212 system would have the make up for a better dedicated home theater?Vocal clarity and output are a huge concern to me and my lady.
Its funny becuase if this were a Klipsch speaker, with that frequency measurement, it would get bashed to no end unfortunately in the comments. Hope you can get the RF7's ij for measurment one day
I'm so glad to know that you wear hearing protection. As you well know 83 db is used for a level to check mixes and and masters (as well as lower and higher levels) since it is where the average person's ear/brain has the most flat response . Please don't damage your ear.
For the same $1,100 as my SVS SB3000, I have a RCF 702 12" PA sub. It shakes the walls down and can go much louder than the SVS . What is your feeling about using PA subs for home theatre? I know PA subs only go down to 40Hz but the guys going with quad 18" subs seem to be looking for max volume.
JTRs 18’s play crazy decibels like the PA but with all the content down to below 10 hz in room. Depends if you want to not only hear Godzilla but feel Godzilla.
When you get into 15” or 18” territory you can really save money on diy builds. If you’re going that big, there’s no reason to compromise on low end frequency extension. Start with two subs and you may not need more. If you love movies and haven’t experienced authoritative 20hz and below, you’re truly missing out. Once you hear it/feel it, you’ll understand. Doesn’t even have to be crazy SPL to really appreciate it either.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 I found a couple Dayton ultimax um18-22’s for sale for $500 for the pair plus a 1kw crown amp. Crazy score. Then paid like $120 a piece for the sealed flat packs. Picked up one more crown amp used xls1502. I don’t even look at subs anymore. I LOVED my used SVS sb2000 all by itself for quite a while. It hit below 20hz in my room but ran out of steam when I was really cranking it.
Erin, another great video. Often the videos are so dry, just by the nature of content (data heavy) itself, I think the skits add a lot to the video as a whole. Loved the Maxell homage. It’s good to get good hard data AND a little Levity in the same place. I’m sure it’s extra work but I think it will Pay dividends in subscriptions and viewership!
Great review. Glad to see these perform as well as they do. I am curious how their 10" coaxial speaker perfoms. Didn't realize they had something within my price range haha. However the fact that the woofer has five and a half mm xmax each way makes me wonder if there would be some issues with the response due to the "waveguide" moving so much. Assuming I figure out I can make these work and get significant other approval I'll probably contact Jeff about them. I either need to make a custom TV cabinet or cut a hole in my wall and recess part of it as it's awkward with USTs trying to get them to fit a center.
@@TylerStout I think I misunderstood what you were saying. The 110HT is a coax with a moving waveguide, so IMD issues do apply. Also, a speaker waveguide generally isn't the ideal shape. The 210HT is not coax, so no moving waveguide issues. the 210HTR has a large fixed waveguide, and that coax driver seems to be designed so well that the distortion numbers are incredibly low. I'm not sure how much of a concern the moving waveguide is in practice, though. I think it's more useful to focus on frequency response, off-axis response and dispersion, and output capability. I actually have some 110HTs in boxes soon to be used as surrounds, but I haven't had a chance to hear them, yet.
Erin, Do you have a video or link to anything that can help me understand and interpret the data you create ? Thank you for what your doing, great content !!!
I would love a review of anything from the JBL studio 6 line of speakers. Half the price of the HDI's, with a very similar cabinet design, and a compression driver also used in the studio 5's
I did reach out to JBL to see if they'd be willing to provide me with a loaner set of some of the 6-series. No reply as of yet. But I do know other ways to get them from dealers so it should be a possibility.
The reason people want these speakers is the output but I would prefer fidelity over output. Ive never heard a horn I like other than the higher end jbl speakers. For the price I think you can do alot better personally but some people prefer higher output they provide
No. I’m not sure about these new 210hts. Once you step up from this bottom tier to any of the 6 models of the r series even psa owners will tell you JTR is an upgrade.
That was suggested by someone else so I'll just copy/paste my reply: I don't think the screen would provide enough attenuation. Certainly not for me. I use a DIY screen for my HT and when I tested it some years back, it didn't result in more than 1-2dB of attenuation, max. I did a quick google search to see what data is available for more popular screens and it looks like that still holds true. Now, a combination of toe-out / in + a screen with enough attenuation might work to provide what is needed but I doubt it would be enough. Especially not 3-5dB of attenuation (a screen with such attenuation would be a terrible design). I wouldn't rely on the screen to be enough on its own if you wanted to aim the speakers on-axis. With all that said, the majority of installs I see with the JTR speakers have them aimed into the room which would cause HF attenuation at the MLP (and some a larger degree of attenuation at the side seats from the opposite side speaker).
Good EQ would get you the normalized response, but in practice, the lowest end model is less likely to be used with good EQ. The 3-way "reference" models have exceptionally good midrange behavior (on and off axis), which puts them in a different league. I run the 3-ways with Dirac, which turns out to be a stunningly good combination. I agree with the narrow soundstage comment. I found the best solution to that is wider placement with some extreme toe in. That gives you a big soundstage, incredible imaging, and a large sweet spot. I didn't like them toed out. The 3-ways don't sound bright to me. Smooth and detailed. I've only heard the older 2-way models, but I also perceived them as bright sounding.
To be honest, I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping that these would look more like the measurements that Matthew Poes took for the JTR Noesis 212RT. Granted, Matthew's measurements were free-field instead of with the Klippel, but the 212RT seems to be be much smoother than the 210HT and doesn't have the same problems with brightness.
Ya I was hoping for measurements from the 212HTR or Rt. I wish they would have agreed on doing one of Jeff’s higher end rendering considering most people going JTR want the best. The 212’s measure super flat and super clean through all ranges.
Matthew is a JTR kiss***. Even his measurements show as you move off axis the speakers have a tilted up response. In a typical home theater this isn't what you want. You need wide dispersion that falls off evenly. Average dude with JTRs has maybe two rows that are three or four seats wide... these speakers are a bad choice for that. And they're bright.
@@commanderrussels2612 Matt's videos on Audioholics show he has a preference for narrow speakers and those work well/best with surround sound home theater. He's also backed this up with the whys. So your comments about wide dispersion with HT seem at odds with this. Usually with strictly 2 channel setups there may be a preference for wide dispersion.
@@SorikuXIII Yeah, he's wrong. Wider dispersion is better in smaller rooms, generally speaking. You want nice off-axis response to create reflections that help make the room feel bigger. With JTRs speakers you get bright off-axis response until you get muffled off-axis response. That designs would work better in an auditorium than a home theater.
The V-smile tuning is rather disappointing. on-axis linearity is nothing to write home about either. With the cult following this brand has i expected much more. Oh well thanks for the review Erin!
Tbf I'm not sure how many people own this model. Most people are going for the R series and/or the subwoofers. The subs being a different can of worms.
Did you test the Paradigm SUB2 in your room before purchasing the JTR? (supposedly the best subwoofer in the world, still), Goes down to 7Hz(much lower than JTR :) ) , no bass reflex, at 10Hz it has 112dB, and weighs about 107Kg, but is smaller than S2, 9000W Peak, 4500W RMS :) Much more power than this JTRs
😂 1. Horn Speakers 2.Always has been. 3.Always will be. All other speakers exist only because of space or budget limitations You can't get around the fact that they just sound better because the driver barely move and the directivity takes the room somewhat out of the equation. PWK was right, PWK was right and also PWK was right. (-:
A couple notes from Jeff @ JTR:
For some reason, people think we put bedliner on our speakers however, it's a specially developed non-reflective lacquer paint. Custom finishes are available.
Crossover point is 850hz at 24db/oct.
Great review. I want to give this a second thumbs up for that Maxell homage 🤣
haha. Man, I drug that stinking chair out of my house to the driveway. And I had to take the door off the hinges to get it through the doorway! I thought about just not even going through with it but I couldn't *not* do it. So, I grabbed the drill and got to work. Dedication! 😂😂😂
@@ErinsAudioCorner
Treat yourself; have a high quality black/white poster sized print made off your capture ... then have that print matted/framed... and, voilà; the perfect decor for your home theater, etc.
Best review of these speakers I have seen.
Subscribed
The heavy HF output and narrowed coverage angle are helpful for those who put them behind screens.
2:34 with equalization these speakers are fan freaking tastic🔥🔥🔥🔥❤❤❤
I remember fellow A/V enthusiast Youthman featuring full JTR home theaters on his RUclips channel in the past. One as crazy as an 11.6.6 Dolby ATMOS setup!!!! He has a full LCR/ subwoofer setup with the Noesis 212s and a pair of the sealed dual 18" subs and he loved the setup so much that he SOLD his Klipsch LaScallas that he had as the LCRs IN FAVOR of the JTRs. Jeff also makes 18" subs in different shapes and sizes with one or 2 driver configurations and the company may be young but it sure has a promising future ahead of it. If someone wants a set of speakers that would piss off the neigbors, JTR would be a great place to look as they would get to party levels of loudness WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT. If i were to be a mobile DJ, i woulsd DEFINITELY look at JTR as a louspeaker option.
Excellent video Erin. I enjoy learning about this sort of stuff. I've never been too heavy on the technical, more on the construction/building aspect of speakers. I really like the design of JTR speakers. Having a similar setup for my HT, the 1299s, I can attest that these designs get stupid loud! Would be fun to take a trip with one of them to your place one of these days... For science!!
Dude! Bring it!!!! I'd need your help to lift the ridiculous things on the Klippel. LOL.
Thanks for watching, man! And feel free to ask any questions if/when something doesn't make sense.
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks man. I just need to watch more of your videos. You know, drive up that view count! Lol always learning... and yea I'll need help leading them in the truck on my end 😅 stuff that big isn't the easiest! Keep it bud 🤜🏼🤛🏼
This needs to happen! Hopefully you guys can get something worked out.
Hey Erin I have a quick question. I currently have an svs ultra center channel and was thinking of buying one of these for my home theater. Do you think this speaker would be a good upgrade for getting more detail in movies? I want to be able to hear a pin drop in quiet parts. Did you find yourself hearing things in movies that you didn't hear before? Thanks. Love your channel by the way. 😃👍
I have the 210RT's and after calibrating with Dirac, they sound absolutely incredible. Also Jeff
has amazing customer service.
Do they sound good for music?
@@tweedpenguin712 They sound amazing
@@adam631 do you use subs? What would you recommend on placement? How big is your room?
I demo'd these speakers and found them to be harsh. Everyone was raving about them in the demo, but they were all older guys and I think maybe their high frequency hearing may be compromised and that's why they liked them so much. I also think maybe the guys that are drawn to this are the types who listen extremely loud and are most likely to have damaged high frequency hearing. The fact you had hearing protection on for the loud tests shows me you take care of your hearing. Really interesting points about applying smart EQ though, maybe if someone is doing a four or five row theater these may be a good choice because of their power handling and sensitivity. In a small room (say 2 row theaters) I think having wider radiation wayyyay better, makes the room sound bigger. For that reason, even the Harman stuff that measures way better than these JTR speakers, still aren't my preference in small theaters. Great review, Erin!! You're the best on RUclips.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 These 210s may be JTRs most modest offering, but they're still 2,000USD. For that price, they should measure and sound better. To answer your question: In 2019, at AXPONA, I heard the 212RTs... so basically the tower version of that. They were good performers for such a large space, but nothing I'd put in a typically sized home theater. Everyone there was blown away by their performance, but I really am starting to believe a lot of these guys are older and have been getting bigger and bigger speakers and are starting to damage their hearing (or it's just from old age). The 212RTs narrow dispersion worked much better in the large AXPONA demo space though, basically reiterating that these would be a better choice for very large rooms where people are seated far away. In the average basement people are putting these into, IMO it's a bad choice in speakers. Obviously I'm a minority in this opinion, because people overall love them. I think the subwoofers are excellent, I think the iterative approach he does to design on the speakers is a little concerning and makes me think that he's not really validating his designs very well before putting them out. IMO he should design a speaker for smaller rooms that will have a wide dispersion and sound more spacious, but I imagine the margins are better in making larger and larger stuff. I saw now there is RTJ which is for installers and it's an even bigger speaker. Maybe in a theater with 5+ rows they make sense. 20-30ft seating distances, etc. But I see the tiny little theaters people on AVS toss these into and I just have to assume they're deaf lol.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 Yep! It can come down to preference. I just noticed a lot of the people loving them were older in that demo. They weren't all VERY old, but you could also tell the people in love with them were loudness junkies that probably already messed up their hearing. I have JTR subs with focal mains. So, I'm not anti-JTR. I think their subs are great, their speakers are just getting put into too small of rooms and are too bright. He could design a wider dispersion speaker that is still high sensitivity and voice it more neutral. I say the people loved it, but, it was a very focused group of people. I think if you got a wider sample people would prefer better measuring speakers... at least that's what the research says.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 Yeah, that's kind of my point. social media becomes an echo chamber where bad products get a big following just because they're loud and used to be reasonably priced. bright speakers tend to wow people in demos, but are awful to actually own. so now you have people paying 2 grand each for speakers that measure like this. Glad you like your speakers though, i don't really g.a.f. as long as you're happy (it's become obvious your posts are copes)
Nice data sir more detailed than others.
Would you recommend an average seating distance with these…??
My MLP is about 3meters
whenever you show that clip of the klippel scanner, i immediately think "is that a dentist office?!"
Looks like all the issues are around the crossover frequency and the integration of the HF & LF. I would have thought a better driver layout would be for the HF to be on top followed by the 2 LF units below. A layout used extensively in cinemas.
$2000 you better be blown away
My neighbor also looks at me weird when I work on my car for hours.
He thought I was crazy when it was 50 degrees here in Florida and I'm in shorts and a T shirt.
Fellow Floridian here
That Maxwell parody was awesome.
:)
Any plans to review 212htr and the 110’s. It seems like they are wildly popular in the HT community, and are at the top of the consideration list, but would really like to see some data. Thank you
No immediate plans. Jeff did mention sending me some stuff for review but I don't recall what it was. You can contact Jeff to see if he'd be willing to send me some loaners.
Sorry for asking an off topic question. Your most center channel suck video really hit home for me. Do you have a list of center channel speakers that are really good based on the data. The kef 650c went on my list due to that video. I was saving up for the heco Aurora speakers but their center is 2 way and I knew that would be a no go. So I'm thinking just have hecos auroras all around with kef center in white.
P.s. I now understand the spl radiation pattern because of you. Thank you so much for that.
If you have to go with a horizontal center channel, then I think the Q650c is worth your consideration for sure. Generally, I suggest ordering from a retailer you can return it to if you don't like it (for some reason).
@@ErinsAudioCorner Follow up question, I just checked on FBMP and someone in my neighborhood is selling the KEF R11,R2C, R5(bookshelf) for ~$4K, he still has the boxes. Is this deal well worth it? I haven't heard you mention the R2C yet
Thanks Erin, Will you be reviewing any other JTR speakers?
No idea. Nothing currently planned. If Jeff is willing to send me other stuff then I will.
Please try and get the 212HTR I think they would blow you away compared to these. These are the only main stage speaker in the lineup to not have the ultra high end coaxial compression driver the rest of Jeff’s speakers have.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 If you guys want me to test those then I suggest also reaching out to Jeff and asking if he would be willing to loan me some for review as well.
@@ErinsAudioCorner Ok will do. Thanks for all the content Erin appreciate it greatly. Have you ever heard the JTRs r series with the coaxial compression driver?
@@ErinsAudioCorner one other quick question do you think an Arendal 1723 thx system or a JTR 212 system would have the make up for a better dedicated home theater?Vocal clarity and output are a huge concern to me and my lady.
I sit 4-6' away from my speakers. Are JTRs gonna work for me? Or do I sit too close?
Hey, some of us still own Maxell tapes (cassette and reel to reel). Can I play them?? Well.... LOL. Thanks for the blast from the past.
haha! You're welcome!
Its funny becuase if this were a Klipsch speaker, with that frequency measurement, it would get bashed to no end unfortunately in the comments.
Hope you can get the RF7's ij for measurment one day
I'm so glad to know that you wear hearing protection. As you well know 83 db is used for a level to check mixes and and masters (as well as lower and higher levels) since it is where the average person's ear/brain has the most flat response . Please don't damage your ear.
For the same $1,100 as my SVS SB3000, I have a RCF 702 12" PA sub. It shakes the walls down and can go much louder than the SVS . What is your feeling about using PA subs for home theatre? I know PA subs only go down to 40Hz but the guys going with quad 18" subs seem to be looking for max volume.
JTRs 18’s play crazy decibels like the PA but with all the content down to below 10 hz in room. Depends if you want to not only hear Godzilla but feel Godzilla.
@@JoshuaPeters3036 OK get it, I want to feel Godzilla!
When you get into 15” or 18” territory you can really save money on diy builds. If you’re going that big, there’s no reason to compromise on low end frequency extension. Start with two subs and you may not need more. If you love movies and haven’t experienced authoritative 20hz and below, you’re truly missing out. Once you hear it/feel it, you’ll understand. Doesn’t even have to be crazy SPL to really appreciate it either.
@@NakeanWickliff What woofer are you using for your builds?
@@JoshuaPeters3036 I found a couple Dayton ultimax um18-22’s for sale for $500 for the pair plus a 1kw crown amp. Crazy score. Then paid like $120 a piece for the sealed flat packs. Picked up one more crown amp used xls1502. I don’t even look at subs anymore.
I LOVED my used SVS sb2000 all by itself for quite a while. It hit below 20hz in my room but ran out of steam when I was really cranking it.
ty!
Erin, another great video. Often the videos are so dry, just by the nature of content (data heavy) itself, I think the skits add a lot to the video as a whole. Loved the Maxell homage. It’s good to get good hard data AND a little
Levity in the same place. I’m sure it’s extra work but I think it will
Pay dividends in subscriptions and viewership!
Great review. Glad to see these perform as well as they do. I am curious how their 10" coaxial speaker perfoms. Didn't realize they had something within my price range haha. However the fact that the woofer has five and a half mm xmax each way makes me wonder if there would be some issues with the response due to the "waveguide" moving so much. Assuming I figure out I can make these work and get significant other approval I'll probably contact Jeff about them. I either need to make a custom TV cabinet or cut a hole in my wall and recess part of it as it's awkward with USTs trying to get them to fit a center.
I prefer the 3-ways for sure. The moving waveguide thing can be a concern on some coaxial drivers, but not in this case.
@@robcohen how so? Is the tweeter moving with the cone instead of being fixed?
@@TylerStout I think I misunderstood what you were saying. The 110HT is a coax with a moving waveguide, so IMD issues do apply. Also, a speaker waveguide generally isn't the ideal shape. The 210HT is not coax, so no moving waveguide issues. the 210HTR has a large fixed waveguide, and that coax driver seems to be designed so well that the distortion numbers are incredibly low. I'm not sure how much of a concern the moving waveguide is in practice, though. I think it's more useful to focus on frequency response, off-axis response and dispersion, and output capability. I actually have some 110HTs in boxes soon to be used as surrounds, but I haven't had a chance to hear them, yet.
What would you say this speaker or klipsch rf-7iii for LCR home theater?
Erin, Do you have a video or link to anything that can help me understand and interpret the data you create ? Thank you for what your doing, great content !!!
Sure thing! Here's a link to a series of videos I have on this very thing:
ruclips.net/p/PLnIxFR_ey0b37Ex4KV2mBz-kYB7QLffR1
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks again !!!
I would love a review of anything from the JBL studio 6 line of speakers.
Half the price of the HDI's, with a very similar cabinet design, and a compression driver also used in the studio 5's
I did reach out to JBL to see if they'd be willing to provide me with a loaner set of some of the 6-series. No reply as of yet. But I do know other ways to get them from dealers so it should be a possibility.
😂😂😂😂😂 awesome Erin.... !!! Even more than the review i like the long hair Erin sitting on the couch 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
I wonder if JTR's active designs fix some of the issues you bring up. Those are intended for pro applications but hey, if it's good it's good.
So will these sound good for 2 channel listening to music with EQ?
Bookshelf speakers .. =)
The reason people want these speakers is the output but I would prefer fidelity over output. Ive never heard a horn I like other than the higher end jbl speakers. For the price I think you can do alot better personally but some people prefer higher output they provide
Oh would be great to see your review on JBL 4722N :-)
have you considered to review a reference series? from JTR
You guys would have to talk to Jeff @ JTR about that. But I'd be down if he wants to loan me a pair to review.
How do they compare to the DIY Sound Group HTM12 ?
Great vid. Are PSA and JTR on the same level? BIC 4️⃣ LIFE.
No. I’m not sure about these new 210hts. Once you step up from this bottom tier to any of the 6 models of the r series even psa owners will tell you JTR is an upgrade.
I heard the PSAs, they're garbage. I'm not a huge fan of the JTRs either, but I'd rather have the JTR by far.
BIC4LYFE! 😁
What do you suggest then?
Maybe the frequency response was designed for behind a screen placement?
That was suggested by someone else so I'll just copy/paste my reply:
I don't think the screen would provide enough attenuation. Certainly not for me. I use a DIY screen for my HT and when I tested it some years back, it didn't result in more than 1-2dB of attenuation, max. I did a quick google search to see what data is available for more popular screens and it looks like that still holds true. Now, a combination of toe-out / in + a screen with enough attenuation might work to provide what is needed but I doubt it would be enough. Especially not 3-5dB of attenuation (a screen with such attenuation would be a terrible design). I wouldn't rely on the screen to be enough on its own if you wanted to aim the speakers on-axis.
With all that said, the majority of installs I see with the JTR speakers have them aimed into the room which would cause HF attenuation at the MLP (and some a larger degree of attenuation at the side seats from the opposite side speaker).
BTW, I'm guessing your screenname is in reference to the band and I love that band. 😉
If it's in reference to the firearm, then disregard.
@@ErinsAudioCorner A tribute to the lovely .38 special cartridge! Never heard the band.
The frequency response graph indicates however that they are not accurate. +/-10db is not impressive.
They're not linear but I don't know where you're getting ±10dB.
@@ErinsAudioCorner in the graph at 5:29 green line(top) its pluss minus 10db from 100hz to 20khz, dip at 500hz to 87db and peak at 20khz to 97db.
Awesome review!! Can you do more JTR reviews? 212 RT or any of the Captivator 400ulf?
Thanks again!!
I think so. Jeff said he is going to send me some more stuff. Not sure when. But be on the lookout!
@@ErinsAudioCorner Will do!! Thanks again!!
Both 212RT and Captivator 4000ULF have already been reviewed.
Any plans to test PSA MTM-210 or MT-110?
No plans, per se. But if someone wants to send me some to test then I will.
Good EQ would get you the normalized response, but in practice, the lowest end model is less likely to be used with good EQ. The 3-way "reference" models have exceptionally good midrange behavior (on and off axis), which puts them in a different league. I run the 3-ways with Dirac, which turns out to be a stunningly good combination. I agree with the narrow soundstage comment. I found the best solution to that is wider placement with some extreme toe in. That gives you a big soundstage, incredible imaging, and a large sweet spot. I didn't like them toed out. The 3-ways don't sound bright to me. Smooth and detailed. I've only heard the older 2-way models, but I also perceived them as bright sounding.
To be honest, I'm a little disappointed. I was hoping that these would look more like the measurements that Matthew Poes took for the JTR Noesis 212RT. Granted, Matthew's measurements were free-field instead of with the Klippel, but the 212RT seems to be be much smoother than the 210HT and doesn't have the same problems with brightness.
Ya I was hoping for measurements from the 212HTR or Rt. I wish they would have agreed on doing one of Jeff’s higher end rendering considering most people going JTR want the best. The 212’s measure super flat and super clean through all ranges.
I am no expert but those seem to measure better than the RTs.. Off axis seem to more uniformly follow the on axis allowing for better EQ.
Matthew is a JTR kiss***. Even his measurements show as you move off axis the speakers have a tilted up response. In a typical home theater this isn't what you want. You need wide dispersion that falls off evenly. Average dude with JTRs has maybe two rows that are three or four seats wide... these speakers are a bad choice for that. And they're bright.
@@commanderrussels2612 Matt's videos on Audioholics show he has a preference for narrow speakers and those work well/best with surround sound home theater. He's also backed this up with the whys. So your comments about wide dispersion with HT seem at odds with this. Usually with strictly 2 channel setups there may be a preference for wide dispersion.
@@SorikuXIII Yeah, he's wrong. Wider dispersion is better in smaller rooms, generally speaking. You want nice off-axis response to create reflections that help make the room feel bigger. With JTRs speakers you get bright off-axis response until you get muffled off-axis response. That designs would work better in an auditorium than a home theater.
The V-smile tuning is rather disappointing. on-axis linearity is nothing to write home about either.
With the cult following this brand has i expected much more. Oh well thanks for the review Erin!
Tbf I'm not sure how many people own this model. Most people are going for the R series and/or the subwoofers. The subs being a different can of worms.
Nice. I see it blew your hair right off. Lol
Oohh
Oh sh*t!!! 😂😂😂
Did you test the Paradigm SUB2 in your room before purchasing the JTR? (supposedly the best subwoofer in the world, still), Goes down to 7Hz(much lower than JTR :) ) , no bass reflex, at 10Hz it has 112dB, and weighs about 107Kg, but is smaller than S2, 9000W Peak, 4500W RMS :) Much more power than this JTRs
Jtr much better
Dude… I need to interview your neighbors so we can figure out wtf going on with you 🤣🤣. Great video as always man you’re killing it
It’s already been proven by people that good measurements don’t equal good sound quality and vice versa.
The first one: no.
The second one: yes.
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1. Horn Speakers
2.Always has been.
3.Always will be.
All other speakers exist only because of space or budget limitations
You can't get around the fact that they just sound better because the driver barely move and the directivity takes the room somewhat out of the equation. PWK was right, PWK was right and also PWK was right.
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How do you forget a speaker that big? Lol 😂
6:40 Why can't JTR design a crossover to "EQ" the issues away?
Seems like a nominal cost for a lot of benefit.
1:40 These sound great for car audio enthusiasts.
Son, I am disappoint.