I like that Angela said that the question to ask is not "Will I make the summit?" but, "Will I get safely back?". If you feel shame in turning around, you don't belong on the mountain.
I have never climbed in the Himalayas, but I’ve lived in the Rocky Mountains and have climbed many 14ers in my day. Always remember: the summit isn’t the destination, it’s the half way point. Descents are riddled with danger and being constantly cognizant of that fact instead of basking in the post-coital glow of a minor accomplishment is in your own best interest. You can pat yourself on the back when you’re back at home.
@@Mt.Everest.: You are quite literally passing judgement while simultaneously telling others to not pass judgement. If lacking self awareness was a sport, you’d be an Olympian draped in more gold medals than Michael Phelps.
The rivalry and competition between these two women led directly to their deaths. Personally, I would not be any more impressed by a person who had climbed fourteen 8000m peaks than I would be by someone who had only climbed one. Great channel you have here. Liked and subscribed from Canada!! 🇨🇦🙏
Thank you for watching and thanks so much for subscribing. I will be following the story about the planned retrieval of the four bodies that are still up on the mountain in the spring of 2024. Good having you here
Are you nuts? A rivalry caused their deaths? No. Failure to read the conditions caused their deaths. Pressure to beat a record caused it. Stupidity and selfishness caused it. Why in the world would the Sherpas led/guided this? SMH. RIP Llama Sherpa and all the others who died. So sad.
I absolutely LOVE her! This woman is not afraid to be honest instead of gentle and calls a spade a spade. I hope this will lead to saving lives. Go Angela!! I loved this interview and thank you for bringing it to us.
@@Mt.Everest. Thank you for your input, but I consider her to be heroic. There is nothing that leads me to believe she is a gossip. 4 lives were lost. Perhaps if folks realize the truth might be told, they won't engage in dangerous behavior putting not only their lives at risk but their sherpas' as well. Remember none of the pros went up for a reason.
@@tsjackson72not necessarily a gossip, though quite likely... I think she gave her real motive with her "72! too many people summiting" statement... whether a good climber or not, calling a spade a spade, she is quite clearly reaching retirement in her career as a mountaineer... and the fact that climbing the Sacred-Chalices of mountaineering is becoming so commonplace clearly bothers her... what are her achievements if hundreds of climbers have summited the highest most esteemed peaks??? what people think of as healthy or unhealthy competition is questionable... genuinely, big sportsmen/sportswomen often have a nemeses in achieving there goal.... this is probably unhealthy but normal for that high tier. one can even say that, arguably, healthy sane people do not go climbing the most dangerous mountains they can set their eyes upon... it is insane to think that going to the mountains is safe, and ones who hire young Sherpa are usually the kind of people who want the help but ultimately make their own decision rather than rely on a guide.
@stanislavkostarnov2157 wow... Annapurna being one of thecmost. And arguably is the most dangerous mountain eith k2..you don't need to be a mountain trainer to know lineups is a death sentence in the death zone, in close areas, avalanche zones and the remoteness. 72 people is absolute insanity when statistically around 30%, that 22 people on the mountain could die.. no more info is needed to make that assessment. To go after her age and ego isn't called for. No one knows anything so best not make any assumptions on either side.
I feel like a Sherpa's job should be to guide you on your route, give recommendations on rather its safe to climb, set your timeline, double check equipment and safety apparatus, tell you when to go or turn back.... Specifically "GUIDE" you up the mountain. If you require a Sherpa to pull you up with a short rope or physically carry you down the mountain then you probably have no business making these climbs.
Maybe. But if you have people who worship the dollar because a trivial amount to you or I could change their future, don't depend on them carrying too much about your health. You better get a guide who deals in the same currency you do. The sherpas and guides know better. What about that? Just because you don't like a certain type of person and will always support another type renders one incapable or honest discourse.
I think there should be some kind of insurance for people who die. They should put down $30K in down payment in case they don't make it. If they can afford the money to climb then they can afford insurance. No one should be compelled to retrieve their bodies or to carry them physically down the mountain so they don't die.
I hope Angela Benavides comes back for follow-up interview after subsequent coverage. Obviously, a very important topic that needs broadcast. Thank you for video.
I recently watched a documentary of an experienced mountain climber who trained really hard for Everest, including lots of breathing exercises to get his oxygen levels up and he still struggled on the mountain. Then you have people with no mountaineering experience who think they can just go and climb Everest no problem. It's absolutely crazy!
Thanks so much for sharing this story. This story made my ears twitch when I read it originally, it just seemed odd. Knowing that there was competition, and not friendly makes it all the more tragic. I really mourn the sherpas and appreciate that you stress their presence.
I wrestled with this story and this video for some time, as I feel it's important to truly explain what's happening in the world of mountaineering now. Angela is very honest, and puts the right words into the 8000 meter peak scene. Thanks so much for your support of this channel, and thank you for watching!
Guiding is not viewed the same way in. Himalayas Asia as Europe, North America, Australia or other locations. Labor and route finding and summits are more of a focus. They viewed as being accountable from other guiding communities around the world. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments.
There's something lacking in the education system there are many works of art and literature warning about the dangers of hubris and obsession yet here we are...
Another great interview. The mountain doesn't care how beautiful you are or how competitive you are. It doesn't even care about how much or how little experience you have. But,the mountain should be respected and it doesn't look like that's the case here. RIP
Sherpas out there in front of the group running rope to the peak, in some cases towing "record setters" tied behind them .....how is any of that a record.
@@angelmartin7310 problem is, the client has to comply with the sherpa guides when they’re advised to go back. Shriya Shah-Klorfine, for instance, refused to take no for an answer when her guides told her she was going to die if she kept going. Her guides had to choose between leaving her there, dragging her down, or going with her. Their consciences wouldn’t let them abandon her, and while you might be able to carry a corpse, you can’t drag someone down Everest against their will-it’s physically impossible. So her guides went with her and she died. Many people blame the guides, but what could they have done when she absolutely refused to turn around? Part of the danger of an immature climber is that they won’t accept their limitations, even when their guides are begging them to.
Great interview. Been following Angela's coverage carefully during this whole bizarre, needless tragedy. Really sad. Thanks for the thoughtful, insightful interview with Angela and all your fascinating videos.
We love you Thom! You continue to make quality videos about Everest and often include interviews. Don’t know why you sometimes get negative feedback. Just letting you know your content is much appreciated👍
I really appreciate your kindness and for taking the time to comment. It means a ton to me. Having been at it for awhile now, the negative comments represent an extremely small slice of those that visit the channel. Thank you so much, it's good having you here!
What a senseless tragedy. Two people who were ready to die to feed their egos. I hope this is a message to people who put getting likes on social media above their own safety.
Love your channel. When I saw the news, I thought was so oddly that there was two women after the same record. Thank you for explaining and thanks for being kind telling the history. I will dig more to your channel bcs I want to learn more about your life too!
Great interview. It is a sad state of affairs, these races. If a climber puts themselves at risk by stubbornly going against the conditions that is one thing, we can all make assessments of conditions that turn out to be wrong. But if it involves the health and safety of others, caution should always prevail.
I always look forward to, and appreciate, Angela’s experienced, well-balanced reporting reporting on mountaineering news, especially in the Himalayas/Karakoram regions. Yes, the pressure of summit successes for commercial outfitters contributes to the statistics. But also just individuals’ competitive need for ever more individualized, extreme “firsts,” to elicit notoriety and sponsorships. “First ascent, first American ascent, first American ascent of all 8,000ers, youngest American, to whatever- youngest American amputee with asthma who skis and BASE jumps in a wing suit off the summit,” increases urgency and risk in an already hazardous sport.
Thank you for watching and for your thoughts. Angela is spot on....damn good writer and super thoughtful and insightful. You can be assured I'll ask her for another interview sooner than later. Thanks again : )
I agree with some of perspective on commercialized guiding. and for recorded achievements. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments. I add they may have in fact been chasing first American woman to summit all 14 , but elite definitely not. They have been guided through there ascents.
I’m a climber and mountaineer that always follow Ueli Steck’s words: “Climbing is not a competition”. Because I think mountaineering is too dangerous to start getting “rivalries” or trying to push your limits to much etc
Exactly. A very good example was the 'race' to become the third person to summit all fourteen 8,000ers between Polish climber Kukuczka and Frenchman Chamoux. Kukuczka couldn't have cared less but Chamoux turned it into a bit of a circus arriving at Kanchenjunga base camp with journalists in tow. Chamoux set a speed record on K2, climbing from base camp to the summit in just 28 hours, an incredible feat, so he was no slouch. However, he arrived at base camp ten days after Kukuczka and was not sufficiently acclimatised before following Kukuczka on his summit bid. Both climbers left base camp around the same time but Chamoux fell behind. Once Kukuczka had reached the summit, Chamoux should have turned around because he was late and conditions were deteriorating. Pride cost him his life. He was not seen again.
Thank you Thom ! I see real people who know real things on your posts. The real people you put on make me ashamed for the people who twist things. Thanks again.
I think we can agree....this should not be called an accident. They didnt want that outcome but they did little to ensure their safety....tho call it an accident is to minimize their responsibility
Everest expeditions without Sherpas are ABSOLUTELY impossible, but they never get the credit they deserve!!! THEY are the critical factor! And the same applies for all the others involved in logistics (porters, cooks, medics, pilots, etc), which in another way are also essential in all the effort. It would be interesting to know how much they are paid to do such dangerous and indispensable job, is it a fair share of the earnings? And the Nepali Government? how does it spends the money collected in permits and the like? Does it benefit the local communities? perhaps in providing clean water, education or medical facilities? That is a report I would want to see! Greetings from wild, wet, windy and wonderful Western Patagonia, Chile
These two woman clearly had no business being up there in the first place. Even if they did make it to the summit of all 14 peaks, the accomplishment would always be undervalued by the fact that a Sherpa had to pull them up the mountain. They may stand on the peak, but can someone like that really say that they conquered the mountain. The people in this category definitely deserve an asterisk in relation to their supposed "accomplishment"..
I think the phrase, "The mountain doesn't care." is the key to understanding the issue. It doesn't matter how experienced and fit you are or how much you paid to be guided up the peak. The mountain can kill you just as dead. I'm not a climber myself; but, I understand how you can become obsessed with a goal. In mountaineering, I believe it's called summit fever. If a person let's it control them, they can end up endangering or killing themselves and others. This isn't about heroes and villains. It's about knowing your limitations.
Just found this channel by the grace of the Gods of Algorithms. The stories are riveting and fascinating, your presentation is fair, insightful, honest, and delivered with humility, empathy, and grace. (Plus a very pleasant voice for listening. Anyway, thank you for great content. 🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota
Thom, I recently discovered your channel and have enjoyed your videos so much! I love how you present the facts and your story telling. I enjoy mountaineering videos, but have fobia of high altitude, so your channel gives me the content I need in the safety of 150ft above sea level, 😂. Thank you for being awesome, you are one of a kind!!
I don’t think a mountaineer dying at 8000 mtrs is a tragedy. Dying at over 8000 mtrs is actually quite expected and completely normal. A tragedy is whilst walking to work of a Monday morning a tree falls on you.
Thom, thank you for posting. “What we have here is a failure to communicate.” -Cool Hand Luke movie Clearly, there was a lack of leadership and a chain of command in this instance. “Leadership isn’t one person leading a team. It is a group of leaders, working up and down the chain of command to lead” -Jocko Willink (Nims should have known this better than anyone.)
Excellent insight....yes. A bunch of little mistakes and oversights led to the loss of four lives. It was very careless and unnecessary. Thanks for watching Trish!
I've been fascinated by mountain climbing since the early 1960's when I learned of the 1st successful summit of Everest. However since the 1996 tragedy, with the rare exception, I've looked with disdain at most climbers, who aren't actually climbers, but more like baggage. Large sums are paid to haul that baggage up to the top and back. No lessons were learned from '96 and none have been learned in the tragedies that have occurred since. And I don't have much compassion for those who suffer the consequences. Exceptions maybe for those who are trying ti earn a living and feed their family.
These were professional climbers not rich people being dragged up the mountain so I’m not sure what you’re even blathering about. Most these 8,000 peaks you’ve always needed help …..weird you’re AOK with it even with the 1st summit of Everest….
The two women were not professionals. They were being guided Asian guides and being lead in short roping technique. The guides share responsibility for the accounts. I invite you all to read my 2 posted comments.
One needs to park their ego at Basecamp if they are attempting to climb to the summit. Myself - I park my butt in front of the YT video about climbing there.. and enjoy it immensely - Thank you!
It seems like some people climb with their ego, experience or not if you cannot put the ego aside, the mountains will humble you. And unfortunately, some of these people only learn the lesson when it's too late. Reminds me of the events on Everest in 1996.
I just came off Manaslu and for fun I checked the weather as climbing season on Manaslu ends on October 3rd. BC was already dismantled on September 30th. So no one actually went to the very end... Well, turns out local have a good sense of weather as when I checked the weather few days after it was terrible - not just Manaslu, Cho Oyu but also Shishsapangma. Winds were terrible - like up to 100km/h suspended. There was lots of snow. No sane person would have gone in such bad conditions. Fresh snow + heavy wind + 30+ slope. Come on. The two avalanche death shows total ignorance. Going straight for the summit is standard after doing 8000er on oxygen. They were on oxygen even in BC (some say camp 1). The both could have raced later or even next season in spring. 18:14 the problem here is not as she describes - a lot of guides will use "safety" to simply not go to the top, its a big problem.
Super cool that you were on Manaslu. I have some pretty cool videos and shorts about Manaslu on this channel, starting with the horrible weather last year in the fall, and the loss of Hilaree Nelson from the summit. Sounds like you know your stuff, it's good to have you here and for you to share your thoughts. Thank you
I totally agree and I'm a couch mountaineer! Kudos to your mountain tain successes/therapy. It's totally new to me to hear guides are refusing g to summit when it's possible to go-- do you think word of mouth is not enough in this community and to go elsewhere? Do you have any specific examples (really curious). But this seems like a suicide mission and the only logic seems to be competition. RIP
Very interesting. I wrote two comments posted early I invite to read . I believe you will find my take of interest. I have been critical of both women, but was sure to give them credit for physiological adaptations based on prior ascents of other 8000 meter ascents. But participating in using oxygen early question myself, their decisions early on or even their physical status. I presume they were using oxygen early as an additional advantage and not recovering still from a previous climb or not allowing enough time for acclimatization. It’s important to track what the body is doing at lower altitude before oxygen is used or needed at high altitude. It’s been recorded the more used the possibility of higher complications if you run out. Debatable. Using oxygen early would improve performance through ascent but I believe would have a negative effect on acclimatization. Also performing with that aid negates any credit I was giving them for being physiologically well adapted!
This exact conversation has been going on since the mid/late 90s after the 96 disaster and Krakauers book "into thin air" came out. How do we stop this from happening? What went wrong?, why are so many undersigned climbers on that mountain? These 2 ladies were nit climbers they were riders... being short roped isn't climbing and should not count as a legitimate summit .. it won't chance until the country's that issue permits to climb decide to do something... guide companies won't self police ..
with my experience with backcountry skiing its always astounding how many risks some people take with avalanches in the himalaya and karakoram. to me its like having a death wish. you look at the south face of anapurna for example, its so exposed, how could a rational human who understands avalanches decide to go up there. crazy risk tolerance
Competition is so old school 1980s to me . Whilst teaching kids tennis i realised the damage competition causes. Great interview and presentation . Its a pity how they can call themselves professionals . If you die its not a profession. Especially tracking a record . But with that said , personal determination is such a difficult thing to turn off . RIP
Competition isn’t for everyone but ultimately it’s quite healthy. Many factors in play; determination, skill, and the ability to be okay with “losing”.
I am not a mountaineer, but am a big outdoorswoman-all with minimal danger. I watch videos like this because I’m interested in learning about decisions these mountaineers make and try to understand why they choose to take such risk when are not prepared. This interest goes beyond mountaineering. Why do people make drastic decisions; ones that will change your life and those around you and you can’t take them back.
I understand that some folks have a bucket list as they get older. We need to understand that when we do these activities, we not only put ourselves at risk but that puts others in your party at risk.
These 2 are experienced climbers and have lived to see a good age, because they respected the mountain and allowed the mountain to dictate the next move. I personally don't see the appeal of doing what climbers do. So I will nor be putting myself in any such risk. But to those who do such adventures be safe and listen to the mountain
Maybe unpopular opinion: If they wanna risk their life (bc of ego), why bothering? Why should there more precautions? Why should there be restrictions? They wanna risk everything to make it into history. Let them. There are many very risky sports out there. Less complaints about them. Some do it especially bc of that. Shark diving, motorsports, climbing in general etc. If their families can't stop them why should strangers do it? There is still self-determination right? 🤔 (*real interested)
Well if I may present my opinion, the commercialization put in danger real mountaineers. I saw an interview with retired high altitude mounteneer who climbed all 14 highest mountains withiout oxygen and he said, that he would not go to those mountains now because there is so much people who create litterally traffic jams and put others in danger.
@@Ali_Ali509 I think I have seen this too. And sure, if you are a danger to others, you should be removed. But if you are only a danger to yourself, it's just on you.
Ones again ego money and search of fame have caused a tragedy None of these are a reason to climb any mountain and will always result in outcomes like this
Everyone is focusing on 8000 meters. These conditions and weather exists at 800 meters. Yes 7,200 meters less. 8000 meters specifically designates oxygen levels in air composition. Understanding this changes evaluation of environment at any altitude. Both women had needed physiological adaptations proven with other 8000 meter ascents. They still lacked overall experience and technical skills and experience. They have been guided through all of their other ascents. Former IMCS Guide, Ice and Rock climbing instructor, White MTN MRS
David, thank you, great having you here....you are absolutely spot on with your observations. Really cool you were with IMCS....that's what got me started in this thing, many moons ago back in the 80's. Cheers and thanks for being here!
Absolutely I could agree, just as a tree climber myself, I can say I was told a very important lesson from one of my foremen I look up to who said, you can climb all the trees in the world with no problem, get to the top of 100'-200' Oak tree but it's the 20' Mulberry that could end you with simple mistakes! Lots of lessons to be learned for sure, and I continue to learn !
I worked serch and rescue on the mountains..It does not matter how good you are once you get beyond 8000 feet you are dieing or dead.And if you push it too far and cross that line you will stay up there.Most of the best climbers in the world are dead. It is nature and bad calls.Now it is money getting people killed. If you have never climbed a mountain before in your life and jump on everest well your chance of staying alive is slim .And if you make it to the top and come back down you are a bad ass in my book and hats off to you.And they say the death zone is 26.000 feet.😅 It starts way before that .
17:00 this pearl made me think of it a bit like this if we have been conditioned over time to “queue” and be more compliant and if the climbers aren’t the trailblazers that they once were… if you need a certain amount of success financially it could mean you need to succeed within certain frameworks so a level of compliance… there’s some sort of equation here I’m sure but I’m rubbish at maths 17:33 they havnt got the memo that they aren’t the trailblazers maybe because of the advertising
Irresponsible women who were chasing a false dream of being the first woman to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter mountain peaks. Irresponsible expedition companies and possible questionable leadership. Collaboration and cooperation was not their game -- which is the opposite of mountain climbing. You cannot celebrate the summit until you are down. Personally, I don't like summit celebrations at the top, because the goal is not over until you have returned safely. This competition for record breaking and being the first at this and that has definitely proven to be a liability not only for mountain climbing, but for backpackers and people in other sports. There are more and more stories of people dying needlessly. Not bringing the right equipment, not making logical decisions and being selfish. The families of the Sherpas who died and got injured hopefully have contacted a good American ambulance chaser. Climbers must always collaborate. We don't know what casued the avalanche, but we do know both women walked off theregular route in new snow and very dangerous avalanche conditions. It is not unusual to trigger an avalanche by walking on unstable snow. I have seen avalanches, but thankfully never got caught in one. They are beautiful and extraordinary to watch from a safe distance. We must remember the collaboration of Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay! They shared the glory and got bac k down to celebrate with their friends and families....
I think you summed the situation pretty well. I wonder if people who want to climb with a commercial climbing service should be required to demonstrate a level of fitness and expertise before being allowed to climb with the group. Also, perhaps part of their fee should be an insurance policy to provide for the guides and their families in case of an accident.
No thanks, I prefer sea level, 72 degrees F and a barometric pressure of 29.92. The mountains sure attract some Darwin award winners. Great stuff thanks . Get ready to bust out your bird feeders.
Inexperienced individuals, social media driven stupidity. Sad-sad, sorry I do not feel sorry for those women, but heart breaking for those young Sherpa’s that did not say “No”. No means no. Agree with if you feel shame in turning back you are not qualified to climb.
Its disgusting what climbing has become over the last 20 yrs. These peak baggers are a stain. Most big peak climbers do it because they love the mountains. These "All 14" types dont belong. They wreck it for everyone. Go climb Rakaposhi, Masherbrum or The ogre. Why is always the 14. For their business venture mostly. Their seminars on "how to conquer that mountain" and get rich. Sick of hearing these stories of self ambition. Gives us all a bad rep
The ‘without supplemental oxygen’ thing always strikes me as odd. If the Sherpa are genetically predisposed to function at high altitude then that gives them an at-birth advantage over most others. So why do non-Sherpa climbers think it’s a badge of honor to not use oxygen canisters when they actually probably should?
This is tragic but I must mention it reminds me of the kid on the Tinan sub. He wanted to solve a Rubix cube 4000m under the ocean for a world record. Instead of going to Titanic for the experience he also wanted to be famous for something so he took the cube. Don't let vanity control your actions people.
@@mattk8810 That's right, we do not know what really happened, his mother gives a very different account than his aunt, the rubik's cube thing is really stupid and vain, but I think that he wasn't that serious about it and it seems it was more about father's day and making his dad happy. We will never know, so we shouldn't judge. One thing is for sure, his mother makes him look like a rich spoiled sucker by telling the rubik's cube detail with so much pride, as if he achieved something (that said, solving a rubik's cube is impressive enough for me, I wish he could have lived to do that on sea level for many decades to come, poor lad).
@@mattk8810 I know light-years more than you about that sub and Rubix cubes ..... and I'm allowed to voice opinions online. Now if you want to report me to RUclips for voicing an opinion based on facts go right ahead snowflake.
@@orfamayQshe was supposed to go on the Titan and when she changed her mind the son took her place. She probably wants to believe he really wanted to go so she doesn't feel guilty
Summit fever seems to be getting ahold of even the more elite expedition company’s. Summit fever is a real thing, but there always has to be the expedition leader making the big decisions.
Seriously? Shouldn’t be expected to stand up to a cruel and demanding employer. They are in a position of power, and as an employee, I am at their mercy. The porters are victims.
as a nepali i would say not only completion with other climbers but also the record set one after another and everyone wants to be the person to set record they fail to take in safe concerns
Climbing has been a money industry for the last 2 decades. The only way to save climbing now is to either close everything done or do the opposite and open everything up and not care who lives and dies. Just like car accidents.
Let's just face it, the only mistake that the Sherpas made here was to go along with the insanity of the two women. Often we feel discriminated against when certain truths are pointed out; for instance that women are mostly ruled by emotions and feelings, making them unsuitable to lead certain projects or activities, ever heard of a similar incident involving male climbers? And what part of success is attributable to you if you have to be short roped to the summit of a mountain like some injured donkey?🙄
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I like that Angela said that the question to ask is not "Will I make the summit?" but, "Will I get safely back?". If you feel shame in turning around, you don't belong on the mountain.
@@Mt.Everest. which part of that comment is gossiping? People die on mountains all the time. They have a phrase 'summit fever' for a reason.
@@Mt.Everest. I'm annoyed with you not understanding the definition of gossip.
what a clown..@@Mt.Everest.
I have never climbed in the Himalayas, but I’ve lived in the Rocky Mountains and have climbed many 14ers in my day.
Always remember: the summit isn’t the destination, it’s the half way point. Descents are riddled with danger and being constantly cognizant of that fact instead of basking in the post-coital glow of a minor accomplishment is in your own best interest. You can pat yourself on the back when you’re back at home.
@@Mt.Everest.: You are quite literally passing judgement while simultaneously telling others to not pass judgement.
If lacking self awareness was a sport, you’d be an Olympian draped in more gold medals than Michael Phelps.
The rivalry and competition between these two women led directly to their deaths. Personally, I would not be any more impressed by a person who had climbed fourteen 8000m peaks than I would be by someone who had only climbed one. Great channel you have here. Liked and subscribed from Canada!! 🇨🇦🙏
Thank you for watching and thanks so much for subscribing. I will be following the story about the planned retrieval of the four bodies that are still up on the mountain in the spring of 2024. Good having you here
It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posts
Are you nuts? A rivalry caused their deaths? No. Failure to read the conditions caused their deaths. Pressure to beat a record caused it. Stupidity and selfishness caused it. Why in the world would the Sherpas led/guided this?
SMH. RIP Llama Sherpa and all the others who died. So sad.
I feel the same, fellow Canadian 🇨🇦🤣
And I just recently found this channel and LOVE IT!!😊
Ego kills !
I absolutely LOVE her! This woman is not afraid to be honest instead of gentle and calls a spade a spade. I hope this will lead to saving lives. Go Angela!! I loved this interview and thank you for bringing it to us.
Angela is a rock star! Unsung hero 🔥 thanks for watching ~ I’m glad you enjoyed it
@@Mt.Everest. Thank you for your input, but I consider her to be heroic. There is nothing that leads me to believe she is a gossip. 4 lives were lost. Perhaps if folks realize the truth might be told, they won't engage in dangerous behavior putting not only their lives at risk but their sherpas' as well. Remember none of the pros went up for a reason.
@@tsjackson72not necessarily a gossip, though quite likely...
I think she gave her real motive with her "72! too many people summiting" statement... whether a good climber or not, calling a spade a spade, she is quite clearly reaching retirement in her career as a mountaineer... and the fact that climbing the Sacred-Chalices of mountaineering is becoming so commonplace clearly bothers her... what are her achievements if hundreds of climbers have summited the highest most esteemed peaks???
what people think of as healthy or unhealthy competition is questionable...
genuinely, big sportsmen/sportswomen often have a nemeses in achieving there goal.... this is probably unhealthy but normal for that high tier.
one can even say that, arguably, healthy sane people do not go climbing the most dangerous mountains they can set their eyes upon... it is insane to think that going to the mountains is safe, and ones who hire young Sherpa are usually the kind of people who want the help but ultimately make their own decision rather than rely on a guide.
@stanislavkostarnov2157 wow... Annapurna being one of thecmost. And arguably is the most dangerous mountain eith k2..you don't need to be a mountain trainer to know lineups is a death sentence in the death zone, in close areas, avalanche zones and the remoteness. 72 people is absolute insanity when statistically around 30%, that 22 people on the mountain could die.. no more info is needed to make that assessment. To go after her age and ego isn't called for. No one knows anything so best not make any assumptions on either side.
@dana102083 absolutely agree with you!
Wow i didnt realize it was Lama Sherpa that died. He had just summited the 14 peaks. What a man. Damn so tragic.
Yeah, it's tragic, man.
This was so unnecessary
I'm confused about a "Sherpa". I'm not a mountain climber and am not familiar with the terms but I thought a sherpa was a guide not a man's name.
@@darlenekorson3716 It can be both or one. or the other.
He wanted to get paid. He took money over safety just like the women took fame over safety
I feel like a Sherpa's job should be to guide you on your route, give recommendations on rather its safe to climb, set your timeline, double check equipment and safety apparatus, tell you when to go or turn back.... Specifically "GUIDE" you up the mountain. If you require a Sherpa to pull you up with a short rope or physically carry you down the mountain then you probably have no business making these climbs.
Maybe. But if you have people who worship the dollar because a trivial amount to you or I could change their future, don't depend on them carrying too much about your health. You better get a guide who deals in the same currency you do. The sherpas and guides know better. What about that? Just because you don't like a certain type of person and will always support another type renders one incapable or honest discourse.
@@19thnervousbreakdown80???
There’s a lot of people in the mountains that have no business being there, but the have the wealth to buy their way in, at least for a time.
I think there should be some kind of insurance for people who die. They should put down $30K in down payment in case they don't make it. If they can afford the money to climb then they can afford insurance. No one should be compelled to retrieve their bodies or to carry them physically down the mountain so they don't die.
and if you cant get a Sherpa get a really good golf caddie
I hope Angela Benavides comes back for follow-up interview after subsequent coverage. Obviously, a very important topic that needs broadcast. Thank you for video.
Angela is a rock star. I'll certainly have her back again sooner than later.... Thanks for watching
If nims purja and mingma g turn back on their last mountain before the record, u know its time to get the hell out
I recently watched a documentary of an experienced mountain climber who trained really hard for Everest, including lots of breathing exercises to get his oxygen levels up and he still struggled on the mountain. Then you have people with no mountaineering experience who think they can just go and climb Everest no problem. It's absolutely crazy!
That is altitude sickness in one sentence. Also, younger people tend to die from it more because they ignore the symptoms
Thanks so much for sharing this story. This story made my ears twitch when I read it originally, it just seemed odd. Knowing that there was competition, and not friendly makes it all the more tragic. I really mourn the sherpas and appreciate that you stress their presence.
I wrestled with this story and this video for some time, as I feel it's important to truly explain what's happening in the world of mountaineering now. Angela is very honest, and puts the right words into the 8000 meter peak scene. Thanks so much for your support of this channel, and thank you for watching!
Guiding is not viewed the same way in. Himalayas Asia as Europe, North America, Australia or other locations. Labor and route finding and summits are more of a focus.
They viewed as being accountable from other guiding communities around the world.
I invite you to read my 2 posted comments.
Great interview.
I feel that egos on a mountain can be dangerous.
RIP.
New Zealand 🇳🇿
Thank you for watching.....so true about the egos on a mountain...and sad!
There's something lacking in the education system there are many works of art and literature warning about the dangers of hubris and obsession yet here we are...
Another great interview. The mountain doesn't care how beautiful you are or how competitive you are. It doesn't even care about how much or how little experience you have. But,the mountain should be respected and it doesn't look like that's the case here. RIP
Angela is always very detailed, authentic and unbiased.
So glad I found this channel
I'm glad you found it, as well! Thanks for being here
As opposed to Hilary and Tenzing, who told everyone they had summitted simultaneously.
Sherpas out there in front of the group running rope to the peak, in some cases towing "record setters" tied behind them .....how is any of that a record.
Many ask the same.... thanks for watching!
Can the sherpas not refuse to continue when things get too dangerous?
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@@angelmartin7310 problem is, the client has to comply with the sherpa guides when they’re advised to go back. Shriya Shah-Klorfine, for instance, refused to take no for an answer when her guides told her she was going to die if she kept going. Her guides had to choose between leaving her there, dragging her down, or going with her. Their consciences wouldn’t let them abandon her, and while you might be able to carry a corpse, you can’t drag someone down Everest against their will-it’s physically impossible. So her guides went with her and she died. Many people blame the guides, but what could they have done when she absolutely refused to turn around? Part of the danger of an immature climber is that they won’t accept their limitations, even when their guides are begging them to.
Let's start making safety rates more important than Summit rates...
Excellent, no nonsense presentation. Seems vanity will, on occasion, win out over humility and maturity.
Thanks so much, I agree. I'm glad that you took the time to watch!
Great interview. Been following Angela's coverage carefully during this whole bizarre, needless tragedy. Really sad. Thanks for the thoughtful, insightful interview with Angela and all your fascinating videos.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. It means a lot and keeps me stoked to continue bringing more
"I've said it a thousand times; emotions have no place above 8,000 meters" - Dave Hahn
It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posts
Please say that again,🙄
Indeed, especially women.
We love you Thom! You continue to make quality videos about Everest and often include interviews. Don’t know why you sometimes get negative feedback. Just letting you know your content is much appreciated👍
I really appreciate your kindness and for taking the time to comment. It means a ton to me. Having been at it for awhile now, the negative comments represent an extremely small slice of those that visit the channel. Thank you so much, it's good having you here!
Two sentences have got etched on my mind.
1. The mountain dictates the next move
2. It brings a false sense of invulnerability
Thanks again, Thom. Be well.
Thanks, you too! Thank you for watching
What a senseless tragedy. Two people who were ready to die to feed their egos. I hope this is a message to people who put getting likes on social media above their own safety.
I believe social media may have influence them as well. I believe other contributing factors. I invite you to read my two post comments
Love your channel. When I saw the news, I thought was so oddly that there was two women after the same record. Thank you for explaining and thanks for being kind telling the history. I will dig more to your channel bcs I want to learn more about your life too!
Thank you and welcome! There is some good content on the way ~ good to have you here
Great interview. It is a sad state of affairs, these races. If a climber puts themselves at risk by stubbornly going against the conditions that is one thing, we can all make assessments of conditions that turn out to be wrong. But if it involves the health and safety of others, caution should always prevail.
I appreciate Angela's clarity and wisdom regarding this incident.
I always look forward to, and appreciate, Angela’s experienced, well-balanced reporting reporting on mountaineering news, especially in the Himalayas/Karakoram regions.
Yes, the pressure of summit successes for commercial outfitters contributes to the statistics.
But also just individuals’ competitive need for ever more individualized, extreme “firsts,” to elicit notoriety and sponsorships. “First ascent, first American ascent, first American ascent of all 8,000ers, youngest American, to whatever- youngest American amputee with asthma who skis and BASE jumps in a wing suit off the summit,” increases urgency and risk in an already hazardous sport.
Thank you for watching and for your thoughts. Angela is spot on....damn good writer and super thoughtful and insightful. You can be assured I'll ask her for another interview sooner than later. Thanks again : )
I agree with some of perspective on commercialized guiding. and for recorded achievements. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments.
I add they may have in fact been chasing first American woman to summit all 14 , but elite definitely not. They have been guided through there ascents.
Respect & gratitude for the info, honesty and sharing! This was an excellent interview. 🙏💙
Thank you for watching!
Great conversation, thank you for this
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love your videos bro. I'm obsessed with mountains, lol
Not sure why YT turned this up for me but it was great, much food for thought.
I’m a climber and mountaineer that always follow Ueli Steck’s words: “Climbing is not a competition”.
Because I think mountaineering is too dangerous to start getting “rivalries” or trying to push your limits to much etc
Exactly. A very good example was the 'race' to become the third person to summit all fourteen 8,000ers between Polish climber Kukuczka and Frenchman Chamoux.
Kukuczka couldn't have cared less but Chamoux turned it into a bit of a circus arriving at Kanchenjunga base camp with journalists in tow.
Chamoux set a speed record on K2, climbing from base camp to the summit in just 28 hours, an incredible feat, so he was no slouch. However, he arrived at base camp ten days after Kukuczka and was not sufficiently acclimatised before following Kukuczka on his summit bid.
Both climbers left base camp around the same time but Chamoux fell behind. Once Kukuczka had reached the summit, Chamoux should have turned around because he was late and conditions were deteriorating.
Pride cost him his life. He was not seen again.
Thank you Thom ! I see real people who know real things on your posts. The real people you put on make me ashamed for the people who twist things. Thanks again.
These mountains are no place for hubris and egos. The lack of respect these climbers are showing towards them is the antithesis of mountaineering
Exactly my thoughts. Couldn't have said it better.
I think we can agree....this should not be called an accident. They didnt want that outcome but they did little to ensure their safety....tho call it an accident is to minimize their responsibility
Well done interview!
Thank you, I'm happy you enjoyed it!
Great Initiative ! Thankyou so much for sharing this !
Everest expeditions without Sherpas are ABSOLUTELY impossible, but they never get the credit they deserve!!! THEY are the critical factor! And the same applies for all the others involved in logistics (porters, cooks, medics, pilots, etc), which in another way are also essential in all the effort. It would be interesting to know how much they are paid to do such dangerous and indispensable job, is it a fair share of the earnings? And the Nepali Government? how does it spends the money collected in permits and the like? Does it benefit the local communities? perhaps in providing clean water, education or medical facilities? That is a report I would want to see! Greetings from wild, wet, windy and wonderful Western Patagonia, Chile
Small groups and individuals have summited with no support.
Wow Incredible Interview...Incredible Woman. Respect 🙏🏻 ❤
She Needs To Lead The Way In Rulings For Positive Change 🌎✌🏻🕊♥️🙏🏻🏔
These two woman clearly had no business being up there in the first place. Even if they did make it to the summit of all 14 peaks, the accomplishment would always be undervalued by the fact that a Sherpa had to pull them up the mountain. They may stand on the peak, but can someone like that really say that they conquered the mountain. The people in this category definitely deserve an asterisk in relation to their supposed "accomplishment"..
I agree. There should be 2 categories of summiting. Those short roped should not be on the same list as though who climb it themselves.
Nobody can conquer a mountain.
As soon as I heard they were ‘short roped’, it was an accident waiting to happen.
I think the phrase, "The mountain doesn't care." is the key to understanding the issue. It doesn't matter how experienced and fit you are or how much you paid to be guided up the peak. The mountain can kill you just as dead. I'm not a climber myself; but, I understand how you can become obsessed with a goal. In mountaineering, I believe it's called summit fever. If a person let's it control them, they can end up endangering or killing themselves and others.
This isn't about heroes and villains. It's about knowing your limitations.
Just found this channel by the grace of the Gods of Algorithms. The stories are riveting and fascinating, your presentation is fair, insightful, honest, and delivered with humility, empathy, and grace.
(Plus a very pleasant voice for listening.
Anyway, thank you for great content.
🙏🏽✌🏽💙 from Minnesota
Thom, I recently discovered your channel and have enjoyed your videos so much! I love how you present the facts and your story telling. I enjoy mountaineering videos, but have fobia of high altitude, so your channel gives me the content I need in the safety of 150ft above sea level, 😂. Thank you for being awesome, you are one of a kind!!
It's very hard to turn around on a mountain. I really enjoyed Angela's podcast.
I don’t think a mountaineer dying at 8000 mtrs is a tragedy. Dying at over 8000 mtrs is actually quite expected and completely normal. A tragedy is whilst walking to work of a Monday morning a tree falls on you.
🤔wasn't it about the landslide 🤔
Exactly 🤷🏼♀️
It’s not about 8000 meters. I invite you to read my 2 posted comments
@@davidrioux611 Yes. It is.
It's most definitely a tragedy when a Sherpa dies working as a guide to support his family.
Excellent,informative content
I really appreciate that you took the time to watch, thank you
Thom, thank you for posting. “What we have here is a failure to communicate.” -Cool Hand Luke movie Clearly, there was a lack of leadership and a chain of command in this instance. “Leadership isn’t one person leading a team. It is a group of leaders, working up and down the chain of command to lead” -Jocko Willink
(Nims should have known this better than anyone.)
Excellent insight....yes. A bunch of little mistakes and oversights led to the loss of four lives. It was very careless and unnecessary. Thanks for watching Trish!
I've been fascinated by mountain climbing since the early 1960's when I learned of the 1st successful summit of Everest.
However since the 1996 tragedy, with the rare exception, I've looked with disdain at most climbers, who aren't actually climbers, but more like baggage.
Large sums are paid to haul that baggage up to the top and back.
No lessons were learned from '96 and none have been learned in the tragedies that have occurred since.
And I don't have much compassion for those who suffer the consequences.
Exceptions maybe for those who are trying ti earn a living and feed their family.
These were professional climbers not rich people being dragged up the mountain so I’m not sure what you’re even blathering about. Most these 8,000 peaks you’ve always needed help …..weird you’re AOK with it even with the 1st summit of Everest….
@@6Haunted-Days Perhaps a reading comprehension course would help, or maybe mental health treatment
Exceptions maybe?
I've only seen the beginning of story yet, but those two women look very arrogant.
I do feel very bad for the Sherpas.
The two women were not professionals. They were being guided Asian guides and being lead in short roping technique. The guides share responsibility for the accounts. I invite you all to read my 2 posted comments.
One needs to park their ego at Basecamp if they are attempting to climb to the summit. Myself - I park my butt in front of the YT video about climbing there.. and enjoy it immensely - Thank you!
It seems like some people climb with their ego, experience or not if you cannot put the ego aside, the mountains will humble you. And unfortunately, some of these people only learn the lesson when it's too late. Reminds me of the events on Everest in 1996.
yes, so true.... I think we will be hearing more about this story in the spring when teams go searching for their bodies....
Worse I believe. I invite you to read my posted comments.
I just came off Manaslu and for fun I checked the weather as climbing season on Manaslu ends on October 3rd. BC was already dismantled on September 30th. So no one actually went to the very end...
Well, turns out local have a good sense of weather as when I checked the weather few days after it was terrible - not just Manaslu, Cho Oyu but also Shishsapangma. Winds were terrible - like up to 100km/h suspended. There was lots of snow. No sane person would have gone in such bad conditions. Fresh snow + heavy wind + 30+ slope. Come on.
The two avalanche death shows total ignorance.
Going straight for the summit is standard after doing 8000er on oxygen. They were on oxygen even in BC (some say camp 1).
The both could have raced later or even next season in spring.
18:14 the problem here is not as she describes - a lot of guides will use "safety" to simply not go to the top, its a big problem.
Super cool that you were on Manaslu. I have some pretty cool videos and shorts about Manaslu on this channel, starting with the horrible weather last year in the fall, and the loss of Hilaree Nelson from the summit. Sounds like you know your stuff, it's good to have you here and for you to share your thoughts. Thank you
I totally agree and I'm a couch mountaineer! Kudos to your mountain tain successes/therapy. It's totally new to me to hear guides are refusing g to summit when it's possible to go-- do you think word of mouth is not enough in this community and to go elsewhere? Do you have any specific examples (really curious).
But this seems like a suicide mission and the only logic seems to be competition. RIP
Very interesting. I wrote two comments posted early I invite to read . I believe you will find my take of interest.
I have been critical of both women, but was sure to give them credit for physiological adaptations based on prior ascents of other 8000 meter ascents. But participating in using oxygen early question myself, their decisions early on or even their physical status.
I presume they were using oxygen early as an additional advantage and not recovering still from a previous climb or not allowing enough time for acclimatization. It’s important to track what the body is doing at lower altitude before oxygen is used or needed at high altitude. It’s been recorded the more used the possibility of higher complications if you run out. Debatable. Using oxygen early would improve performance through ascent but I believe would have a negative effect on acclimatization. Also performing with that aid negates any credit I was giving them for being physiologically well adapted!
Great talk you two. Thank you.
This exact conversation has been going on since the mid/late 90s after the 96 disaster and Krakauers book "into thin air" came out. How do we stop this from happening? What went wrong?, why are so many undersigned climbers on that mountain? These 2 ladies were nit climbers they were riders... being short roped isn't climbing and should not count as a legitimate summit .. it won't chance until the country's that issue permits to climb decide to do something... guide companies won't self police ..
with my experience with backcountry skiing its always astounding how many risks some people take with avalanches in the himalaya and karakoram. to me its like having a death wish. you look at the south face of anapurna for example, its so exposed, how could a rational human who understands avalanches decide to go up there. crazy risk tolerance
Competition is so old school 1980s to me .
Whilst teaching kids tennis i realised the damage competition causes.
Great interview and presentation .
Its a pity how they can call themselves professionals . If you die its not a profession. Especially tracking a record .
But with that said , personal determination is such a difficult thing to turn off .
RIP
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your thoughts. I agree....
Competition isn’t for everyone but ultimately it’s quite healthy. Many factors in play; determination, skill, and the ability to be okay with “losing”.
Seems to me there was a strong dose of narcissism in the mix as well.
Wow. I'd like to know the story of exactly how it came to be that they both ended up with this one mountain to conquer. Same day.
Foolishness if a person must rely on someone else to get them to the top. If they're not strong enough, don't go!
They beat each other alright. At the end neither one of them won instead it's Kristin Harila, a Norwegian climber who made all 14 8,000 meters peaks.
I am not a mountaineer, but am a big outdoorswoman-all with minimal danger. I watch videos like this because I’m interested in learning about decisions these mountaineers make and try to understand why they choose to take such risk when are not prepared. This interest goes beyond mountaineering. Why do people make drastic decisions; ones that will change your life and those around you and you can’t take them back.
Ditto on every point!
Angela nailed it, Strength of mind is nothing compared to a mountain
Angela is a rock star and can really put it into perspective. Thanks for watching!
"What do you mean avalanches don't discriminate. But I'm rich!"
I understand that some folks have a bucket list as they get older. We need to understand that when we do these activities, we not only put ourselves at risk but that puts others in your party at risk.
CORRECTION: Anna and Mingmar were recovered after the first avalanche. Gina and Tenjen are still missing on the mountain. 💔
I must not have been paying attention when doing the narration, as I do know this. Thank you for mentioning it and thanks for watching the video!
These 2 are experienced climbers and have lived to see a good age, because they respected the mountain and allowed the mountain to dictate the next move.
I personally don't see the appeal of doing what climbers do. So I will nor be putting myself in any such risk. But to those who do such adventures be safe and listen to the mountain
Ego can kill!
It certainly hinders good vision and decision making! Thanks for watching
Blows my mind they were on the same mountain going for the brass ring? RIP ladies.
Maybe unpopular opinion:
If they wanna risk their life (bc of ego), why bothering? Why should there more precautions? Why should there be restrictions? They wanna risk everything to make it into history. Let them.
There are many very risky sports out there. Less complaints about them. Some do it especially bc of that. Shark diving, motorsports, climbing in general etc.
If their families can't stop them why should strangers do it?
There is still self-determination right? 🤔
(*real interested)
Well if I may present my opinion, the commercialization put in danger real mountaineers. I saw an interview with retired high altitude mounteneer who climbed all 14 highest mountains withiout oxygen and he said, that he would not go to those mountains now because there is so much people who create litterally traffic jams and put others in danger.
@@Ali_Ali509 I think I have seen this too. And sure, if you are a danger to others, you should be removed. But if you are only a danger to yourself, it's just on you.
@@CarLa-dn9ms Yeah, but you never know in advance.
Ones again ego money and search of fame have caused a tragedy
None of these are a reason to climb any mountain and will always result in outcomes like this
So ridiculously tragic. Nature doesn’t care.
They were both greedy in getting to the top & ‘conquer’ the mountain. But the mountain had to humble them. They both put caution to the wind.
From all that I've seen and heard, you are correct....and two fine guides were pulled into it.
Everyone is focusing on 8000 meters. These conditions and weather exists at 800 meters.
Yes 7,200 meters less.
8000 meters specifically designates oxygen levels in air composition.
Understanding this changes evaluation of environment at any altitude.
Both women had needed physiological adaptations proven with other 8000 meter ascents.
They still lacked overall experience and technical skills and experience. They have been guided through all of their other ascents.
Former IMCS Guide, Ice and Rock climbing instructor, White MTN MRS
David, thank you, great having you here....you are absolutely spot on with your observations. Really cool you were with IMCS....that's what got me started in this thing, many moons ago back in the 80's. Cheers and thanks for being here!
Absolutely I could agree, just as a tree climber myself, I can say I was told a very important lesson from one of my foremen I look up to who said, you can climb all the trees in the world with no problem, get to the top of 100'-200' Oak tree but it's the 20' Mulberry that could end you with simple mistakes! Lots of lessons to be learned for sure, and I continue to learn !
Nimsdai and team had brought Anna and mingmar down to camp 2, he’s returning April 2024 to retrieve the bodies and bring them home!
I worked serch and rescue on the mountains..It does not matter how good you are once you get beyond 8000 feet you are dieing or dead.And if you push it too far and cross that line you will stay up there.Most of the best climbers in the world are dead. It is nature and bad calls.Now it is money getting people killed. If you have never climbed a mountain before in your life and jump on everest well your chance of staying alive is slim .And if you make it to the top and come back down you are a bad ass in my book and hats off to you.And they say the death zone is 26.000 feet.😅 It starts way before that .
Awesome to hear from a rescue professional...thank you for taking the time to watch and to share your insights!
17:00 this pearl made me think of it a bit like this if we have been conditioned over time to “queue” and be more compliant and if the climbers aren’t the trailblazers that they once were… if you need a certain amount of success financially it could mean you need to succeed within certain frameworks so a level of compliance… there’s some sort of equation here I’m sure but I’m rubbish at maths
17:33 they havnt got the memo that they aren’t the trailblazers maybe because of the advertising
Irresponsible women who were chasing a false dream of being the first woman to climb all fourteen 8,000 meter mountain peaks. Irresponsible expedition companies and possible questionable leadership. Collaboration and cooperation was not their game -- which is the opposite of mountain climbing. You cannot celebrate the summit until you are down. Personally, I don't like summit celebrations at the top, because the goal is not over until you have returned safely. This competition for record breaking and being the first at this and that has definitely proven to be a liability not only for mountain climbing, but for backpackers and people in other sports. There are more and more stories of people dying needlessly. Not bringing the right equipment, not making logical decisions and being selfish. The families of the Sherpas who died and got injured hopefully have contacted a good American ambulance chaser. Climbers must always collaborate. We don't know what casued the avalanche, but we do know both women walked off theregular route in new snow and very dangerous avalanche conditions. It is not unusual to trigger an avalanche by walking on unstable snow. I have seen avalanches, but thankfully never got caught in one. They are beautiful and extraordinary to watch from a safe distance. We must remember the collaboration of Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay! They shared the glory and got bac k down to celebrate with their friends and families....
I think you summed the situation pretty well.
I wonder if people who want to climb with a commercial climbing service should be required to demonstrate a level of fitness and expertise before being allowed to climb with the group. Also, perhaps part of their fee should be an insurance policy to provide for the guides and their families in case of an accident.
People's hubris has no limits...
hubris.....without a doubt
There's a fine line between a hero and a fool.
No thanks, I prefer sea level, 72 degrees F and a barometric pressure of 29.92. The mountains sure attract some Darwin award winners. Great stuff thanks . Get ready to bust out your bird feeders.
Bird feeder season is upon us....haven't seen many bears this year, so the feeders should be safe Thanks for watching!
So their ego selfishness killed them
Inexperienced individuals, social media driven stupidity. Sad-sad, sorry I do not feel sorry for those women, but heart breaking for those young Sherpa’s that did not say “No”. No means no. Agree with if you feel shame in turning back you are not qualified to climb.
Some people think like they were clawing at each other on ropes ten feet apart. It wasn't like that at all. Sad loss for all involved.
Its disgusting what climbing has become over the last 20 yrs. These peak baggers are a stain. Most big peak climbers do it because they love the mountains. These "All 14" types dont belong. They wreck it for everyone. Go climb Rakaposhi, Masherbrum or The ogre. Why is always the 14. For their business venture mostly. Their seminars on "how to conquer that mountain" and get rich. Sick of hearing these stories of self ambition. Gives us all a bad rep
Were both women at the same point in their list of summits ? Was Shishi the final peak in the ckmpetition form both of them ?
It was their final summit. I did a livestream about their fateful climb, linked here: ruclips.net/user/liveY64H6mr6m6w
Thanks for watching!
Physics!! Truth!!!
The ‘without supplemental oxygen’ thing always strikes me as odd. If the Sherpa are genetically predisposed to function at high altitude then that gives them an at-birth advantage over most others. So why do non-Sherpa climbers think it’s a badge of honor to not use oxygen canisters when they actually probably should?
Climbers are using Sherpas for personal glory when they are not capable of climbing
Two egos that won’t have to out-ego each other any longer…a shame two highly skilled Sherpas went with them.
This is tragic but I must mention it reminds me of the kid on the Tinan sub. He wanted to solve a Rubix cube 4000m under the ocean for a world record. Instead of going to Titanic for the experience he also wanted to be famous for something so he took the cube.
Don't let vanity control your actions people.
The kid was pressured to go by his dad and made something of it.
Do you research before talking nonsense
@@mattk8810 That's right, we do not know what really happened, his mother gives a very different account than his aunt, the rubik's cube thing is really stupid and vain, but I think that he wasn't that serious about it and it seems it was more about father's day and making his dad happy. We will never know, so we shouldn't judge.
One thing is for sure, his mother makes him look like a rich spoiled sucker by telling the rubik's cube detail with so much pride, as if he achieved something (that said, solving a rubik's cube is impressive enough for me, I wish he could have lived to do that on sea level for many decades to come, poor lad).
@@mattk8810
I know light-years more than you about that sub and Rubix cubes ..... and I'm allowed to voice opinions online. Now if you want to report me to RUclips for voicing an opinion based on facts go right ahead snowflake.
@@orfamayQshe was supposed to go on the Titan and when she changed her mind the son took her place. She probably wants to believe he really wanted to go so she doesn't feel guilty
@@Kizzabell That could very well be what's behind that behavior, yes!
Summit fever seems to be getting ahold of even the more elite expedition company’s. Summit fever is a real thing, but there always has to be the expedition leader making the big decisions.
Seriously? Shouldn’t be expected to stand up to a cruel and demanding employer. They are in a position of power, and as an employee, I am at their mercy. The porters are victims.
I can understand wanting to climb but I cannot understand ignoring the rules or warning signs. Life is to precious to take that many risks.
The sherpas very experienced...their clients very experienced and all making a simple and lethal mistake...its not a game climbing these tops
as a nepali i would say not only completion with other climbers but also the record set one after another and everyone wants to be the person to set record they fail to take in safe concerns
So glad you took the time to watch and to share your thoughts. It's wonderful having you here! thank you
Climbing has been a money industry for the last 2 decades. The only way to save climbing now is to either close everything done or do the opposite and open everything up and not care who lives and dies. Just like car accidents.
Let's just face it, the only mistake that the Sherpas made here was to go along with the insanity of the two women. Often we feel discriminated against when certain truths are pointed out; for instance that women are mostly ruled by emotions and feelings, making them unsuitable to lead certain projects or activities, ever heard of a similar incident involving male climbers? And what part of success is attributable to you if you have to be short roped to the summit of a mountain like some injured donkey?🙄
I have one word for this. Ego
Reckless ambition led to foolish and selfish decisions~May the Sherpas RIP☆♡☆!!
18:45 she is talking about NIMS PURJA
Essentially, yes....