NCR vs Legion - Who will ultimately win America?
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Put your point into Speech
- Sun Tsu
You’re stupid and ugly - my mom
and i think he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it
@@rustyshackelford3590 Gonna cry?
- Spiderman
Yo man, youre strong and all that, but the NCR is big, literally BIG and its a waste of your resource to fight em
-mailman
"wtf bruh i didnt say that" - Sun Tzu
NCR started as this tiny, shitty village called shady sands
-a fallout 1 player
chewchewtrain Wrong person, kill Tandi.
Matheus Cossuol Tandi would probably pack her bags and explore the world, so I guess killing Aradesh would work too
LiekIFYou CriEVERYTIEM Actually, in Fallout 1 If Aradesh is dead and Tandi lives, the ending says that Shady Sands keeps growing under her leadership.
General! Once you're done talking about this NCR, they're settlements that need your help! I'll mark it on your map babe.
"We just want to be left alone" A Shady Sands resident
The real battle is between : The Republic of Dave vs. The Tunnel Snakes
Real talk:One of these groups thrived next to deathclaw hell,the other is dead before leaving the vault.
It's not a fair fight.
Mastema Howard Dave probably has a herd of death claws if we’re being honest. He’s a powerful, intelligent and I must say sexy leader.
The second battle of this video’s comment section
That would involve a lot of eastward expansion for the NCR to reach the Capital Wasteland which would take a lot of time. More than enough time for the Tunnel Snakes to grow and develop into a force capable of standing up against and maybe even defeating the NCR. That would have made for a much better game than Fallout 76.
How about the Garys
And the battle can be turned in either favor by a damned MAILMAN!!
Up to this point nobody knew that postman pat was the ultimate savior
Moral of the story : Don't fuck with the Mailman
I mean a mailman that's been to the big empty is a God to everyone else with all his tech
*Courier
Roki vulovic
How to defeat Ceasar:
1. Get in a Vertibird
2. Fly above Ceasars tent, but make sure you're out of reach of their spears and machetes
3. Drop a mini-a-bomb on Ceasars head, thus making the tumor the least of his cranial problems
4. Fly back home as what is left of the Legion falls apart on it's own
as soon as i got to the camp i just killed caesar and ran
“Least of his cranial problems”
lol
Mini a bomb? You mean Mini nuke...
alvi syahri Very outdated and not many, though.
I equipped T51 with CZ75,All-American and Boone with NCR Veteran Ranger armour. Kill everyone from Cottonwood Cove to the inside of Fort and free slaves. I lured Ceasar outside and me and Boone just mow him and his guard down with Minigun. Such an epic battle
The winner is obviously tunnel snakes
amen
WE'RE THE TUNNEL SNAKES!
+Josh Lexcelius yeah and we rule
That's us!
Mud Crab`s on the way to victory!
When a mailman with physiological brain damage has a better understand in military logistics than your best general
before he had brain damage he was a follower of the apocalypse who did nothing but study the art of war
aniro and Mr mailman who was shot in the head and forgot everything
@@aniro5204 Mailman=Courier.
Caesar has precious little understanding of much of anything. He can throw great speeches and drop big words, but he has no clue about the actual Roman Empire, or Rome in general.
then why does his legion look like the centuries of Rome, why is his currency currency a denarius why does his army follow roman gods such as mars and jupiter? the followers are not stupid people..... his brain damage kinda fucked with his head little bit on military tactics in that of not using bullets grenades or the ladder, idc how smart you are a 5.56 will go right through you football armor, this is why the ncr will win
@@aniro5204 "durr if they have no understanding of rome, then why are they adopting it's aesthetics?"
If they knew about ancient rome, then they would know not to repeat it's mistakes. Edward sallow was nothing but an egomaniac dictator who adopted roman aesthetics to give his regime a false sense of legitimacy.
When you try to make the Roman Empire but you accidentally make the Macedonian Empire
No, you make the
Italian (under Mussolini) Empire
No, Caesar's Legion embodies the Huns. A vast army of dozens of subdued tribes.
The NCR embodies the late West Roman Empire.
That is essentially what the game is mirroring. The role-reversal of the Legion (who are trying to be Romans) as Huns is briliant.
@@leeham6230 khans are the huns actually
@@winstonchurchill7822 what because they're called Khan's?
EG - XXFurkanXX Wouldn’t that make them mongols?
Your'e all wrong. The Republic of Dave will rule the world.
Hurricane in Dave we trust
all hail
Now I know what you're thinking, and no that is not a brahmin skull, because brahmins have two heads snd there would have to be two skulls.
Hurricane What about GARRRRRRRRYYYYYYY
You mean the Gary Empire?
Don't forget that one side wears football pads for armor and uses slightly large knives while the other side uses guns and actual armor
The DT in-game for the faction armors is pretty much the same, centurion amor gives 18 and ranger veteran amor gives 20. Besides that, rangers just wear regular clothes and NCR recruits don't get body armor.
Nate the Gamer looks better? the ncr veteran ranger armor looks way better then any legion armor
Kamden I respect your opinion, and I will still stand by mine.
Nate the Gamer +Kamden i'd say they both look great.
Vault-Tec finally a sensible person.
also I keep running into you in every comment section
"General Lee Oliver prepared a trap in Boulder City..."
No. Not at all. It was *Chief Hanlon* who prepared the trap and basically saved Oliver's ass. If you talk to some characters throughout the mojave, they hint that Oliver is hoping that by increasing military presence at the dam he can lead a more crushing and final victory against the Legion to overshadow Hanlon's tactical ingenuity.
This distinction is important because it shows how ineffective the NCR's high command is. It showcases how rampant the nepotism and corruption is among the NCR government. Such ineffectual leaders like Lee Oliver and President Kimball can somehow gain power there, which is one of Caesar's main arguments against democracy as a whole.
An so that means EVERYONE in the NCR is a corrupt, greedy and only in it for themselves?
Caesar respects Kimball and blames the NCRs System, because it weakens them.
And how exactly does that show corruption?
Mehlau it's implied kimball promoted Lee because they are golfing buddies or whatever instead of comptent leaders like hsu
Personally, I side with Mr. House as a leader over the NCR and the Legion. In a House victory, the Legion is done away with and the NCR is forced to make concessions. Given his track record of surprisingly accurate predictions and his technological genius in terms of robotics manufacturing, he has both the ability to produce the equipment needed and the smarts to be an effective leader. If the NCR can accept that and work with House rather than try to undermine him, the two forces could do a lot of good in the Mojave.
Corruption and nepotism aren't exclusive to democracies. Both corruption and nepotism are typically much more widespread within authoritarian governments than in democratic ones. At any time Caesar can and does choose to be above the laws he creates, like when he uses an auto doc to remove his brain tumor. The entirety of Caesar's Legion is built on him oppressing others, ensuring virtually no one has any rights except for him and those close to him, and forcing everyone under him at the threat of death to regularly meet standards that he does not have to meet. For him to attack democracies for being prone to corruption is ridiculously hypocritical considering he can choose to transcend the rule of law at any time to any extent he pleases and not even have to worry about facing any repercussions.The fact that democracies have leaders regularly being voted in and out along with having separate branches of government to regulate one another also severely limits the impact one corrupt leader can have. Plus, I'd take incompetent leaders propped up by nepotism over a man arbitrarily declaring himself a god as a means to justify his authority as he forces others to endure everything from slavery to rape. A man who then has the audacity to attack other forms of government for being prone to corruption as he disregards his own nonsensical laws for his own benefit, the epitome of corruption.
I always liked the ending where you use barter to defeat the legion. Since there is a historical context for that ending. That being when Pope Leo and Attila the Hun had a meeting and he was able to get Attila to turn around and leave Italy and save Rome.
I didnt know that that's really cool! History is crazy sometimes
Woah
@Bgsleo Attila was already extorting both Western and Eastern Rome for gold so it's highly unlikely that the Pope could have enough wealth to convince Attila to move his entire horde back north. By the time the Pope talked to Attila, Western Rome had no more gold to spare which is why Attila invaded in the first place. The real reason was likely that Rome was going through another plague so the Pope told Attila that he'd probably die the moment he reached the Aurelian Walls. Attila dying of a nosebleed shortly after leaving would have proved the Romans right had he killed the Pope and marched onto Rome.
@Bgsleo It’s not
it's a good story.
And this whole time I thought it would be the stormcloaks
😂😂😂 The empire will be victorious!!
Let me guess someone stole your sweet role
Stormcloaks over Thalmor
Skooma,friend?
"JUSTICE!"
Rewatching this a year later really makes me want a sequel to New Vegas which we'll probably never get.
PhazonMercenary There already exists a New Vegas sequel, it's called 'Dust.'
PhazonMercenary There are some great mods coming out, Im looking forward to Frontier
New Orleans is prob next fallout game, done by Indian so will be simialar
PhazonMercenary only if Obsidian is handed the keys again
Justin Frazier All the people from obsidian that made new Vegas and fallout 1 and 2 have left the company, obsidian probably worse than Bethesda at this point :/
Basically , all the training and war experience of a veteran legionary doesn't mean shit against machine guns or a stray bullet
Plus when ceaser dies there empire falls
Plus when there empire falls, it falls on a psychopath
Yea or power armour
SGT Mango... Totally agree with ya dude. these legion twisted lunatics, doesn't matter how many they've killed or how seasoned they are in combat, their swords and spears and stuff are no match for Hecate 50 cal rifles, M249 machine guns or M16 rifles... an their armor and tactics are no match for that stuff the NCR has either...
You cannot stop DEMOCRACY
You hit the nail on the head. I think it was Marcus who stated: "Once The Leagon reaches the Pacific, it will collapse upon itself."
It was Ulysses actually. This is more scary for the Legion as he was a frumentari, and he was sent West by Caesar himself
yeah,and both marcus and Ulysses are right the legion is doomed to fail once they can find no more land to conquer.
And Caesar wept for there were no more worlds to conquer
@@gamepad3153 no because that's not the end goal of the legion, but rather a catalyst to its end goal of owning all of resources and rebuilding the world trough autocracy and fascism, caesar sees that the world ended with democracy and wants to see if it won't fail trhough fascism and autocracy
@Ethan Schultz Marcus would know especially since that's how the Unity dissolved overnight without the Master. Funny parallel, I suppose.
Do more of this.
Way, WAY MORE OF THIS.
Yeeeeeeessssss more!
so much MORE. lol
Do one on mlp plz🦄
jac of harts . . .
no words
agreed
I killed house I killed the general I killed ceasar and I killed my campaign manager, then I created my own faction "the kids treat brocoli unfair" and we took the mohave
Mojave
Plagiarism
you're not the Killian experience
Moyave that makes no sense... its mohave
nice joke u got from Kilian
Let's be honest
Patrolling the Mojave just makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Never wish for nuclwear winter ( it's a video title from Rimmy, look it up )
Thats why i bombed the NCR in LR
nah, *almost*
This is the equivalent of Arrow in the Knee
Maybe...
Rather than support the NCR as a whole, I support it's army, they have good intentions, it sucks that their general and Government only care about power.
They just wanna keep things civilized and safe! The NCR government prevents them from doing that and abuses its power
By supporting the army you support the NCR
i mean the ncr is somewhat mirror of the old world america, convoluted bureaucracy, corrupt politicians and senators alike, and a huge ass military
Josue Barboza that’s like saying someone’s a nazi because they don’t the the German army were nazis in WW2
I agree but as someone that always ends the fallout games with highest good karma and the only bad ending that I get is fallout 3 which I think is dumb because I do things based on logic and fawkes being able to survive the rads I send him in saving Sarah and myself
This is why Caesar wants a “Rome” aka Vegas. If he can find somewhere to station himself and somewhere to really control will allow him to grow strength
This video makes good points but I don’t think the Legion defeating the NCR is impossible.
J 19 Except the NCR has the obvious advantages of firearms, body armour, and medical equipment. While the Legion have a few guns, Caesar specifically prefers his troops to use melee weapons and probably bows. That alone puts them at a disadvantage. If they invaded the NCR borders then the Republic would waste no time in committing all their might to wiping out the Legion.
No Rome was Shady Sands, Caesar wants to crash the Legion into NCR capital and see the result, which would be a fusion of two cultures, he knows the Legion cannot survive beyond his death, he wants to shake the NCR to its foundation and see what becomes of it, even if one side was annihlated, there would've been massive change.
Same problem, he's delayed getting an heir up and running for too long and has killed or driven off all the possible replacements, IE Joshua Graham. He's left with Vulpes Inculta and Legate Lanius, once he dies, the civil war will start. It will be a small purge likely initiated by Inculta, but New Vegas' streets will run with blood by the end of the night, and there will be nothing to stop the NCR from rolling back in, rested and refreshed.
the Long 15 works both ways, its too narrow and vulnerable, the legion can't push past it into the teeth and guns of the NCR, with an insufficient frontage to outflank the normally outnumbered NCR. As long as the NCR lives, the Legion is on borrowed time.
Blood Raven it was planned that Caesar would mint a coin with the Courier on it if they sided with the legion after the Battle of Hoover Dam. This takes inspiration from how Julius Caesar minted a coin with Augustus on it after some of his campaigns, apparently hinting to how Caesar would choose the Courier as his heir
ironically Romans were highly technologically advanced
And were always trying to develop new technology.
+Federico MUNERATO +Canonreeve Oncano This is a bit of a half truth. The Romans did use some of the best technology, tactics, doctrines, and strategies in that part of Europe, but they weren't known to be the ones that developed these things very often. It was more common for them to find a technology or idea they liked, pilfer it, and exterminate/assimilate the culture that created it. This worked well for them up until a point, the attempted conquest of Britain. Usually when Rome's aggressive expansion exposed a military weakness they had time to study that weakness and the surrounding tribes to see who had a technology, tactic, doctrine, or strategy they could adopt. Because the people who best knew how to defeat whichever tribe the Romans were having trouble with were rival tribes from the area. Once they had a candidate they would try to "hire" a local warchief as a "consultant" so they properly understood what it was they were trying to adopt. And that;s ignoring the fact that the Legions weren't mainline infantry themselves. They were heavy infantry with a minimal light infantry compliment that usually couldn't take a conventional army head on even if the Legionaries outnumbered them. The Legions were supporting units that specialized in providing fire support (via slings and lead bullets), countering enemy infantry and cavalry charges (via the javelins they carried at the expense of proper thrusting spears), and breaking through weak and/or disrupted points in the enemy formations (via their standard issue swords and heavy armor) who acted as a force multiplier for the conventional forces that the Romans often hired from surrounding tribes who had more to gain by working with them than against them. When these tribes were accultured into Roman society but weren't Roman enough to be part of the Legions they fought in the Auxiliaries, Rome's domestic conventional military branch.
By the time Rome tried to conquer Northern Britain they were taking too many casualties to novel technology and tactics to gain a proper understanding of what had gone wrong, to the point were they lost an entire Legion with no known cause. In Southern Britain and Germany, the Romans had been making asses out of themselves politically on such a regular basis, they were making enemies out of their allies. In one battle in Germany, the Auxiliaries that were supposed to have been covering a number of Legions betrayed them and attacked, delivering such a devastating and decisive defeat the Romans were never able to fully recover.
the Roman empire fell because of there outdated technology
Giles Trollston Obviously.
+UrsaOrigin There were a ton of reasons why the Roman Empire fell. Don't over simplify history.
Anyone else find ironic that actually it's NCR (during Kimball presidency) which resembles ancient Rome more than Legion?
How so?
Huge bureaucratic empire, maintained through law and administration, expansionist, and whether you like it or not you can't deny they are beacon of civilization in the wasteland.
On the other hand Legion is more like asian nomad hordes, united only by their leader.
Even the problems people mention in the game about NCR - corruption, beeing stretched too thin, making it sometimes unable to effectively defend it's citizen - sounds like Rome ;P
Caesar states that he wants to create a totalitarian military dictatorship, the size of the bureaucracy will be bigger as totalitarianism attempts to control literally everything. Its also not just tribes under a leader, when they forcibly integrate a tribe into there society they strip it of any previous identity and they are also expansionist.
The NCR is trying to be a real world modern nation state than Rome.
Caesar also says that the NCR looks like the Roman Republic. And that as a Caesar wannabee he desires to usher in the Empire which he sees as stronger.
"Who will ultimately win America?"
Easy Pete. Easy Pete will win America
No, Its Dave who will destroy both Pete and Oliver. All hail the Republic of Dave.
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Nah Man, Benny for the win
@@ericmalfoy4872 nope MR NEW VEGAS WINS
Vulpes Incarta, that guy always unnerved me. Listening to him talk was like listening to a snake hiss.
He sounds like he's eating baby for a breakfast
Vulpes Inculta
Stormcloaks vs Imperials from Sykrim, I'd like to see who'd win that without the help of the Dragon Born. I'd imagine the Imperials would, they have far more resources. However the Stormcloaks know the land, which is a particularly harsh one, and if fought with the right tactics and the Dominion acting the way it has, it could lead to other parts of the Empire getting fed up with Elves secretly pulling the strings. And although they were able to conquer the Empire. Many of the Stormcloaks in Skyrim state the reason the Empire lost is because the Empire surrendered. And not only would suppressing rebellions across several regions at once would be hard. It would place economic strain on the Dominion, causing possible civil strife, making it possible that it would weaken enough for the Empire to wrestle free of their rule and push them out.
+Imperial Dog - In regards to removing the leaders the one thing I always keep in mind is that without Tullius the Thalmor would come crushing in. The question is, would this actually empower the Stormcloaks even if Ulfric were to die? If both sides lost their leader at the same time the immediately obvious victor is the Imperials. Even without Tullius, just like the NCR, their government isn't going to collapse just because a single general dies. There will be shockwaves but compared to Ulfric where a large portion of the Stormcloaks would fall apart without him, the Imperials on the other hand would at most suffer morale loss before Tullius is replaced. However, what the Stormcloaks have on their side is conviction, compared to the Imperials where most soldiers sense of loyalty is nebulous, the Stormcloaks on the other hand have a very clear intent and strongly believe they are in the right (this can also be seen as a weakness though as if you remove that belief they start to fall apart). But that's why I think the moment the Thalmor show up in force is the moment the Stormcloaks go on to fight even harder, Ulfric alive or dead.
That said the Empires size and resources will probably still win the day. But I think the war would be much longer than its presented as. They make it seem like if you side with the Imperials the war is over as soon as Ulfric dies, but history has proven the reality is that even if they're losing the Stormcloaks would continue guerrilla activities for years to come, and their cause may be rejuvenated under a new banner when more and more outside pressure is put on Skyrim by foremost the Thalmor, but honestly any outside government..
I suppose I misspoke. I didn't necessarily mean that a Thalmor army would come in and start some fascist rule. I was speaking more that they would gain more room to manipulate and insert agents. Tullius himself admits that by maintaining the appearance of Imperial control they're keeping the Thalmor from taking a heavy handed stance against the rebellion.
As for the treaty when in the world has that stopped them from extending their reach into pieces of the pie they aren't supposed to be in?
The stormcloaks are all being manipulated though
Fuck the empire fuck the storm cloaks fuck the thalmor all hail the bro army
The fact that ulfric can use dragon shouts is pretty substantial. And that the StormCloaks hold Whiterun at the games start.
9:55 actually, if you kill ceasar with Boone, he mentions that the legion had successors planned in the event that ceaser dies
True, but they dies out and scattered in the end.
Big Bruh But just like Alexander the Great, when Caesar dies those generals will divide and splinter the entire faction until they’re more like a collection of independent tribes.
in short term yes, but from longer perspective they need ceasar
@Hi How Are You? Well said nations weren't overexpanded, had dozens of conflicting ethnic identities nor had their unity dependent by their charismatic leader
@@TheMelancholicWriter exactly
Obviously the enclave the enclave is absolute
God bless America. God bless the enclave
god of smite god save the President, we shall resurface (again) and exterminate all who oppose us (again).
god of smite
God bless America and no one else.
Thanks, God
There's only like 6 people in the enclave now based on the events of New Vegas
@@crazyaf12 We are in the space. GOD BLESS THE ENCLAVE!!!
I think I want Obsidian to make another NV, consider it was done in a year in a half. It was well done. I love Fallout 4 but was missing the Western RPG feel to it.
+JMoDrak Indeed
Obsidian has plans to make fallout in new Orleans like they did with NV
When MATN tweets to Obsidian asking for something in the Fallout 4 engine: "nope"
I would play the shit out of a Fallout: New New Orleans.
+Ethan Waters The trailer song would probably be "What a wonderful world". I'm also really hoping for some kind of Voodoo faction that is similar to the Legion, if the game ever happens.
I'm wondering what it looks like in Europe during fallout....
It kills itself 17 years before the events of the Great War essentially becoming ruins, the only reason any part of the US survived was superior defenses, the only region that has an unknown fate is Africa and maybe Australia (though it may have been associated with europe in the fallout universe) But Europe, Russia, the Middle East, and China are completely destroyed.
+Ares Krieger I imagine that Fallout and Mad Max happen at the same time (mad Max being Australian
+Ares Krieger do they ever mention what happened to the Caribbean and South America? Would be kinda cool to have a Fallout game in the Caribbean. Think of all the dangerous animals that live there right now, then imagine them irradiated.
mostly gone, it was fallout before the war due to the UN breaking up, most of it wouldve been covered by water
Worst state that US. Almost all of Europe was fighting each other over the few remaining resources, their defenses were damaged or destroyed before the bombs. Unlike the US there wasn't any form of large scale vaults or FEV, both of which helped humanity and nature survive and adapt to the radiation.
we need a fallout around the Great lakes and Chicago
Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, took place in the Midwest, even having a mission in the ruins of Chicago, and is semi-cannon(It's debated to no end). The Midwest brotherhood is even mentioned in 3 and NV. I think visiting them would be cool, but I doubt it would happen just to avoid cannon issues. We are more likely to get Kansas city, or Minneapolis then Chicago at this point.
I live in Michigan I whould love to see what it whould be like in this separate timeline
Upon thinking about that, Michigan with cars and all the culture of Motown would be super cool to see, I really wanna see the great car factories and steal plants like we got to see in the Pitt.
and the great lakes don't forget about that
We need fallout around China.
The NCR would win because they help settlements unlike you general.
*laughs in Scorpion, valle Bandit, mojave settler councile*
I mean...
1. Searchlight got hit with a rad bomb
2. Nipton got burnt down and slaughtered
3. Nelson also got burnt down (or so I assume) and slaughtered
But I do understand the point of the fact that Legion destroys villages and cities left and right
*LAUGHS IN CPG*
I’ll get to it when I get to it Preston
Well, the NCR didn't make one person run around the entirety of California to solve everyone's problems single-handedly.
Im asian
- Sun Tsu
And this is why we remember his book right here.
do them dirty in front of they dad
-sun tzu
Shi
Bang their mom and make their family watch - Sun Tsu
Who said that
It's sad that like 75% of fallout players don't know that NCR wasn't always NCR. Does Shady Sands sound familiar?
Kill all of the Shady Sands people. No Shady Sands, No NCR. Huzzah!
JKerman511 Who cares, theyre NCR. Filth :P
And Legion wasn't always Legion
Does you know that too?
no country's always the same country
JKerman511 I do I mean this is shoddy cast and I regularly watch the storyteller who mentions it multiple times
Your videos are always so impressive Austin, you are absolutely my favorite part of Shoddycast. The formatting and scripting is so creative, well thought out, and well spoken.
10/10
And not just for this video, all your videos. Even Where you poop in Skyrim.
:')
+Twenty-Something Nerd hey there potty mouth. XD just playing.
I agree!
+Twenty-Something Nerd
woot! personal account! subscribed!
cough storyteller cough
This isn't necessarily true. You, as the courier, can address these specific things with Legate Lanius at the end of New Vegas to obtain a nonviolent speech ending. When you do Lanius realizes the implications of taking the Hoover Dam at that point in time and the repercussions of their plans to expand. He retreats East to restrategize, probably taking into account all of the things you mentioned in this video, with the promise that he will return west to take it the right way. Lanius' revelation at the hands of the courier could potentially lead to an outcome that contradicts everything in this video.
I always thought the barter option's implications were exaggerated, especially relative to the NCR. There are a couple of good reasons why the logistical burden is very different for the Legion. It has the tribal knowledge of sourcing food and medicine from the land, doesn't require the same technological support to remain combat effective, and actually has robust trade routes in the East that presumably would be linked to Vegas and the outerlying towns upon their consolidation-- something the NCR never achieved.
Yeah but there's also the chance of the way the do things changing completely to from that
Even so, the NCR has technology, they will ultimately win
@@soysquid4312 The NCR will win but the Legion probably won't die out
“The NCR has technology” isn’t a good argument. Not only because the legion do in-fact have technology, and are willing to use it but because technology is a weakness in the wasteland; the NCR is reliant on its supply lines, factories and power supplies. You damage or destroy even a few of those and their ability to wage war fractures.
The legion on the other hand isn’t dependant on any of those nearly as much, while they’ll use such things and take advantage of them when they do, they aren’t dependant on them like the NCR.
Obviously this doesn’t prove that the legion would win but to further my point; there have been dozens of cases in our own history when a technologically superior or larger opponent is defeated or held off because of reasons like these, and an especially prominent example in fallout itself:
The Brotherhood of Steel didn’t win because “they had technology”.
you know it'd be really cool is the NCR and the Brotherhood of Steel from the East ended up fighting in the middle of the country over territory
The Brotherhood would wipe the NCR from the face of the earth. All they have to do is point Liberty Prime in their direction and watch the fireworks
FlyingPaladin not point just say i saw commies there
Christopher Tuttle the eastern BoS would annihilate the NCR, trust me.
Brotherhoods would get their ass kicked, they dont have access to Liberty Prime, only the east coast one has (and those wouldnt help them, they completely distanced themselves from the rest), also, they dont have exactly huge army (cuz fucking codex).
Jan Bittner the East Coast and West Coast BoS are currently allies and the West Coast BoS changed some of their methods, which means that they probably invite outsiders in their ranks now.
imagine a game in new york taken place 50 years after project purity, and the republic of dave is a giant army rivaling The eastern BOS and their armor all has pictures of dave
The existence of a Caesar itself is a disavantage that contributed to Rome's downfall. In Rome's glory days when it was on the rise it was governed by an elected Senate. A Dictaor was appointed during times of war to act as president of sorts for 4 years maximum. The point being in the golden age of Rome loyalty came from the benefits of citizenship and love or Rome not the fear of Ceaser.
sounds more like the NRC to me.
Rome never needed a dictator to rule for life. His adopted son simply capitalised on the death of his father and snagged power never to let go. sometimes it worked out okay like for Augustus Marcus Aurelius or Hadrian. other times it was a complete and total f****** disaster Niro for example, was nightmare just like his grandfather.
Didn't Rome have two consuls at any given time during the Senate?
Marcus Pacheco What many people like to forget is that it was exactly the same during the republic. It had its shitty and its good moments. But Caesar and Augustus saw that Rome was during their time simply too huge and complicated to be run by a group of greedy egoists. Sure there were fair few shitty Emperors as well, but historians generally agree Rome reached its zenith during the reign of Augustus.
But the people loved Caesar. It made sense for him to rule forever, as no one really hated him :/
Oliver wasn't the one who tricked the Legion into Boulder city then destroying it, it was Chief Hanlon.
Before the video: Neither. The Courier takes all.
After the video: The Courier DEFINITELY takes all.
Also, Legate Lanius shows that he is more than ready and able to take over the Legion when Caesar bites it. He is a great strategist, and the Legion fears/respects him plenty.
Most of the other leaders can't stand Lanius.
You'd be looking at a Civil war.
Khgfd Zhgtfdr More like a civil slaughter. Lanius is stronger, tougher, and generally a better warrior than any of the rest of the Legion, hence why he is Caesar's right hand. Vulpes and the rest wouldn't stand a chance, especially because...
Even if the leaders don't like Lanius, the soldiers have shown that they will follow him to the Battle of Hoover Dam, and even return to the East if the Courier convinces Lanius that the Legion wouldn't immediately accept him, and that he should leave to stabilize the Legion, while also allowing the Mojave time to become a worthy foe for the might of the Legion.
Whoever the Courier sides with is the one who wins. Ulysses is probably the only one who understands what a huge impact the Courier seems to have on anywhere he/she has been to.
I would sooner spit on the grave of my dead mother than let some Sci-Fly-Guy walk-the-wasteland fuck speak to me like that.
NCR.
Because they got the sexiest armor in the entire franchise and you can spread some democracy. You can get some democracy for free if you got oil. XD
David Chang ikr For the Republic!
Elite riot gear, best armour style defence all together for medium armour
NCR for the win!
HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE!
Are you implying that the Sorrows Adorned outfit isn't the sexiest armor in the game? Stats be damned, i dare you to find another armor that's a speedo/bikini!
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the answer is obvious who would win America
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I love the Legion, but I’ve always said that once Caesar dies, the Legion is done for. Nobody could lead that faction like Him or if they could, they wouldn’t rise to power fast enough to save It.
Thing is mate, Caesar is probably gonna bang a woman (slave or otherwise) and probably have a child.
communistcheeseroll 420 yeah but Caesar is already up there in age and dies without the couriers help. The kid wouldn’t have enough time to grow up to become the proper heir.
@@daltonanderson929 their are monarchies that have had like 3 year olds as the leaders
gamer master978 Yes, but the three year olds require a regent. There’s no way any regent could hold it together until Caesars child comes of age.
Now I'm picturing Lucius and Vulpes scrambling to figure out how the fuck to raise a kid into another Caesar. Hilarious.
This game was so much fucking better than fallout 4.
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New Vegas is my favorite fallout game.
Finally someone who isn't a idiot
Inferno Cop It actually had a an interesting story with a past and lore that actually matters!
Republic of Dave would obviously win
Augustus Mussolini how dare you say this against your uncle Augustus
tsk tsk tsk Yes man pls throw dave in the river
How about The Garrys?
No doubt, did you see the deathclaw skull they had
first time I arrived there, half of the army was wiped out by a Yao Guai
Rule one of post apocalypse: don’t get involved in a land war with the NCR
Christopher OBrien Don't invade Colorado in the winter, as learned by the Legate.
House had the right idea, force them into making a deal. I don't like the NCR path because it sort of gives into their totalitarianism but most of the actual soldiers have good and noble intentions so, with a House/Yes Man victory where the NCR is intact but humbled is my preferred outcome.
MetroidJunkie NCR wouldn't be intact though. It's one of the biggest misconceptions I see whenever they're brought up. The NCR is suffering from an acute resource shortage and a failing economy. The Mojave isn't just expansionism for the sake of it, it's to help stabilize the nation and prevent imminent collapse. Water is becoming scarce and a famine is set to hit in a decade, but funding can't be put forward into projects to prevent these issues because of how unstable the economy is. By gaining the Mojave, they get electricity, water, farm space, and a revitalized economy due to the wealth of Vegas and the ability to back their currency with something tangible (water from Lake Mead). With the elimination of threats in the area (thanks Courier), all forces can be deployed to guard the Dam and hold their territory. The collected tax money can help build infrastructure and fund long term solutions to NCR's resource issue (the Vault 22 data) allowing them to become fully self sufficient. Lastly, on the subject of their corruption, Kimball and his administration are already on their way out of office, as the public are ready to oust them. The benefits of the Mojave likely aren't going to be enough to turn public opinion in his favor fast enough, and considering that there's now an entire state that despises him (the Mojave was to become the sixth state in NCR), he's not going to be around much longer. Once a new president is voted in, likely with actual public majority (everyone at home hates Kimball and the corruption to, it's not just Mojave residents) then the laws Tandi made to restrict land ownership and separate business from politics can be reimplemented. Overall, helping NCR has the ability to aid the absolute most amount of people and produce the best results for all involved. Thus, I side with them.
The People's Republic of Utah
The Dam isn’t rightfully theirs, they muscled it away from House. If they can’t survive without it, then blame the BOS for destroying their gold reserves, not House for taking his property back. Do you think the NCR is entitled to everyone else’s private property just because they’ve got good intentions? Sorry, but there’s some real corruption among their higher ups, they feel entitled to land that’s not rightfully theirs. I side with House because I like their charitable efforts but they need to get over themselves.
MetroidJunkie Technically, the Desert Rangers owned the Mojave, but then unified with NCR if they agreed to defend the land from the Legion. House only popped up after, and the Dam wasn't occupied by anyone, so it's perfectly fair game. Plus, are you actually suggesting all of NCR and everything they've work towards should collapse because 'they don't own the Dam.' Because spoilers, House doesn't either, he only defended the Strip, YOU don't, and the Legion certainly doesn't. NCR's claim is the most official out of all of them, so if it's an issue of who lawfully owns what (in a lawless wasteland, no less) NCR wins out. As for all other towns, in the actual ending for the NCR in NV, provided you've done everything the best you can, Goodsprings gets it worst, and that only involves a few old timers (Easy Pete) to migrate elsewhere. Novac stays independent, Jacobstown stays independent, the Kings play a prominent role in Freeside along with the Followers, who both help NCR, Sloan is already NCR, Nipton, Nelson, and Searchlight are currently wrecks, so they don't count, and Primm gets more revenue from trade. Literally everyone comes out on top at the end.
P.S.- It's not entitlement and pure greed driving them, as I've said, it's a last ditch effort to save everything that has been built in the last two hundred years, and keep hundreds of thousands from starving before a long term solution can be implemented (the Vault 22 data you can get for the OSI). NCR doesn't deserve to die because of one bad administration. Following that logic, the US never would've made it past John Adams, the *second* president.
Hey!
Try to play HEARTS OF IRON "Old world blues" mod to experience it by yourslef
Did it, ended up winning against the NCR
@@lifemythanimations6606 NCR AI is very weak. They just keep spamming weak infantry
@@Enclave_Engineer The FEV and inciting mass rebellions helps too...
the brotherhood gets their ass kicked most of the time when they attack the shi or the ncr
Hey, where are your troops Enclave?
Duh, the Courier.
Hmmm...I wonder who the official canonical winner of the New Vegas conflict actually was.
mrhouse lol
Independent New Vegas
+Sain agreed it's the best ending.
That depends who sided with in Fallout: New Vegas. I intended to side with Mr. House or create an independent New Vegas, but eventually I ended up siding with the NCR. They're the closest thing to what the United States used to be in the Fallout universe, I'd side with them out of all the factions in the game series, even if that meant going through another manifest destiny to bring back America.
I'd bet NCR, of all the factions I feel that the most time was spent on them. I like Independent, but it just wasn't as fleshed out by the devs, what would happen next and so on. Obsidian couldn't even be asked to finish making Ulysees the original pro-Legion conpanion,, so I can't see Legion winning the canonical conflict. And House needs to die quite rapidly in every faction path not his own..doesn't seem their style to keep him if he can be removed so easily
(This is just my opinion though) (y)
The BoS? Legion? NCR? The fucking Khan's?
No... No! For the Enclave!
All the Enclave needed to do was join with the NCR to form The new united states of america. NCR already has the skeleton, and the enclave can provide the muscle to retake the whole continent.
Though, because those assholes kidnapped, tortured, raped, and slaughtered their grandparents, NCR probably won't be too fond of the enclave now.
Pfft! Lies! That's just communist and NCR propaganda? Every intelligent and 'pure' man/woman alike would know that the mighty, generous and forgiving Enclave would never do such a thing!
Tah! Those NCR radio channels! Mr New Vegas needs to get his information right, his sources must be foiled again...
The enclave got destroyed by ncr and the bos
The Enclave destroyed? Tah! No worries! We still have our trusty troops up in Chicago and our Enclave remnant bases scattered around up north. Do not listen to this NCR/BoS ridicules! They spout the false truth!
+Jerembi Jerebski You guys have like fucking 2 chapters left cut the shit
Legion Fans:
NOOOOOO! The Legion would win because
NCR Enjoyers:
We won't go quietly, the Legion can count on that
“heehee, service rifle go DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA”
Legion Greekaboo fans: "NOOOO, YOU CANT USE GUNS ITS NOT HONOR"
Desert Rangers: "Hehehe snip snip go pop"
But...but Shoddy...Lake Mead, right against the Hoover Dam also has completely clean and radiation-free water. It's the most important resource in the Mojave. That makes it threefold as important, doesn't it?
...am I just missing the point?
And Eletricity from the Dam itself...and the food from the sharecrop farms...Shoddy missed a LOT of details.
purifying water was never really an issue in past games. It was trouble in the first just cause of a lack of water chips.
The dam is the NCR's main power supply, that's true. However, the food from the Sharecropper Farms is irrelevant, the farms were mostly constructed to give NCR citizens more jobs, the NCR has more than enough food production further west. Lake Mead is important because its water is used to irrigate the sharecropper farms, and the NCR DOES have more than enough water, as seen by the water-standard currency being devalued due to water becoming more common and accessible within NCR territory.
As stated by that guy in camp golf, Nevada is now more fertile and green than all of California, which has been reduced to mud and sand from overuse of natural resources. Holding Nevada and the dam will buy more time for the NCR to feed it's population.
Duttle The guy from Mccarren who sends you to Vault 22 said himself that the NCR government has calculated that there would be a food shortage in the homelands (California) in about 10 years after the events from Fallout New Vegas.
Could you talk about what would happen if there was an independent Vegas with an army of robots?
yes
+NCR Trooper NCR would send shit bounty hunters
You nuked him? For shame. At least take him out in style by using throwing spears to cripple him, the decapitate his crippled body with a ripper or a combat knife.
Then you steal Maria from Benny and get your long-sought revenge. With that, you clear the camp of fancy-dressed raiders, turn on the Securitrons, upgrade them, then return to House to use Nephi's driver you looted when taking his head for a bounty to show Mr. House there are no gods.
From there you keep the NCR on good terms so when you inevitably turn on them and take the Mojave for New Vegas they won't be too miffed in a few years to not want to continue commerce and tourism with the jewel of the Mojave.
...or is that just me?
+Sin tanan Gg. Kimbal now knows that.
NCR Trooper Super mutants couldn't kill me. The Sierra Madre couldn't kill me. The Brotherhood couldn't kill me, despite walking through their heart. Legion assassin squads couldn't kill me. NCR sharpshooters can't kill me. Rawr was nought but a gecko compared to me, and I have his fist as proof.
I have walked the Courier's Mile, I have prospected through Dry Wells. I have faced men and monster, gods and devils. I have survived having my brain, heart, and spine removed.
I have united tribes, saved towns, repaired robots and cyborgs, sent ghouls to the stars, united Freeside under my banner. I have old world science at my fingertips. I have sought revenge, made peace, caused death, ended war, created life, and reshaped the land on my whim. Caesar died at my hand. House died by my will. Kimball lives through my actions. I have traveled the Mojave from end to end and found it wanting.
What say you now, soldier?
Na bruh. NCR ranger armor wins it for NCR. When you have armor cooler than power armor, you know u gotta winz.
Nah nah nah, sports armor is the best, can stop several nukes.
i mean, the helmet can be equipped with the power armor.
I love to mass murder them just for fun.
@@tacocat0436 To be fair the enclave power armor is spectacular.
True That. The NCR Veteran Ranger Armor Is So Iconic, And Looks Really, Really Cool.
I wish there's a small faction or remnants of Desert rangers join-able (Because they're so bad ass) and siding with them along with yes man ending would be lit
Me too mostly because i am born and raised in Nevada and hate California
@@phoneone1371 legion lead by lanius will slap both of them combined
@@phoneone1371
Why you hate California?
@@saintpoli6800 we could start with them trying to push their degenerate pedophile agenda on the rest of the USA and their obscene taxes and hypocrisy
@@saintpoli6800 Commiefornia
Atom cats is gonna rule the whole world of non cool to a world of cool jack
Uncool people belong on a cross.
No the tunnel snakes are doing to take over america
Profligate.
Your Dear Ol' Grandad ave, true to caesar
Your Dear Ol' Grandad enjoy that robot army erupting and destroying ur base!
Sandwich McNugget Ave true to Kimball
hows it going to erupt if it is mine.
RETRIBUTION!
It's interesting that nobody in the game realizes the Legion has just as much of an issue of becoming stretched thin as the NCR. The NCR can absorb anybody willing and to a certain extent already have that cultural homogenous populace Caesar wants for the Legion. The problem is that it is much, much easier to convert disparate groups into members of a civilization homogenous enough to function. Sure, the different towns in the NCR might have different backgrounds, but they're close enough to assimilate just fine. The same may not be said for the Legion, especially when the only thing holding them together are the values and leadership of a man whose time is running out. The NCR assimilating disparate groups that existed under the Legion has better hope than the Legion does of assimilating the NCR because those groups eastward aren't as established, nor do they have the backup to keep them from being assimilated. Back to my original point, the NCR might be on the frontier of its territory, but everywhere behind it is established enough that it'll be a tough fight for the Legion. The Legion doesn't have the time, nor strength to shore up the land east of the dam, so it'll be easier to take for the NCR than the NCR's land would be for the Legion. The Legion is stretched thin everywhere, while the NCR is only stretched thin in that the Mojave is the part they're stretching into.
In legion territory there are no raiders/super mutants/ghouls its mich safer than the NCR.(Remember the legion territory is technically much bigger and yet they've proven very capable of defending it.)
+AnbusKi Instead they have crucificxion, and slavery. I'll take my chances with the super mutants.
AnbusKi There are no "raiders" because the Legion troops are the raiders. They've even shown as much that their methods of policing their own lands and people are on par with their wartime tactics. As for super mutants, I'd be willing to bet that there weren't many in Legion territory to begin with, as the only known groups are Mariposa, Midwest, Vault 87, and Institute super mutants. They are scarce enough in the Mojave, they'd probably be exceedingly rare past that. Even in the Mojave they are almost a negligible threat. The biggest threat you're likely to see in the NCR is tax collectors. In Legion territory your "landlords" could actively beat your ass or rounding up your family for slave labor just because it tickled their fancy that day.
The only claims of security are given by a select few characters and are relatively unsubstantiated at best.
+Avarickan Yes they have some ways that I think we all find deplorable and savage but they don't have the luxury of feeling that way its a militaristic society and its proven in real life Rome is still one of the oldest empires ever.
+Adam McCann They don't harm everyone in their territory because most are citizens and traders.
interesting to think how easy Pete pointed that out. "they're following ceaser not his ideas, once he dies the legion will fall apart. might not happen overnight might take a few years but it'll happen."
One idea I've heard is if the player sides with the legion there is a possibility that Edward would name the player heir to the legion and title of Caesar. Assuming the player character is a man this would probably go alright without the legion as you are the big war hero and all that. Then it's pretty much up to the player character to continue the integration of tribals into the legion, administrating the empire, and continuing its military campaigns.
issue is Lanius chances are he would be pissed since he was Ceasar's second in command and the men would fear him his method of leadership was make the soldiers fear the general behind them more than the enemy in front of them so most would likely follow him out of fear and a schism would occur
That would simply lead to civil war within the Legion. As mentioned, the loyalty of those within the Legion is tied to Caesar, not his ideals. The presence of at least two claims to leadership over the Legion would lead to a divide in support, weakening the unit and allowing the NCR to bide their time to mop up the scraps.
Even assuming a male Courier (a female one would not have a chance) it's unlikely that many who serve the Legion would so readily support a profligate leading their ranks, especially given Lanius technically lead to victory in the second battle of Hoover Dam. The Courier was just a stranger Caesar trusted, but the Legate would only see as a threat.
To be fair, though, the Courier can be quite intimidating, if you consider the possible feats he could accomplish during the course of the game. Therefore, he should be able to gain support if said feats become more widespread.
In that case, the Courier only has to kill Lanius and put his head on a pike, showing everyone that he's the fiercest warrior in the Legion.
Even if the Courier is Caesar and is actually fierce enough to hold the tribes together, that doesn't solve several of the remaining issue. A big one is that there aren't tribes to integrate in the NCR, the Legion might find slaves in the farmers and ranchers of the NCR but they won't have the source of fierce warriors that are easy to manipulate because of their lack of education. Meanwhile, the farther you get into the NCR's territory, the more the problems that the NCR faces in the Mojave - long supply lines limiting equipment, lack of a central purpose, aren't problems anymore. Supply lines are short and Californians will want to defend their homeland moreso than the Mojave.
Oh lordy im on the toilet shiting my guts out right now.
Love ya too Dukie! ;)
lol forgot about this comment, it was like 2am and opened youtube as a coping mechanism.
Holy shit. I am too
Quadrenaro sameee
We take blasts together across the spans of time. The greatest uniter
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There's an error at the beginning of the video. General Oliver was not the one to devise the trap of Boulder City, it was Chief Hanlon. People remark Hanlon's strategic mind in winning the 1st Battle of Hoover Dam, even Ulysses, and credit him and his rangers for the victory. It is because this General Oliver is actually at odds with Hanlon, doing the opposite of whatever the chief recommends. Both men know of the impending 2nd battle for the dam and Oliver wants to win it himself. So he covers only half of the dam, setting up the field of a grand battle. He prioritizes his glory over a sensible defense.
Whoever that zombie mailman chooses.
Dr. Virus 129 you mean that asshole from hopeville?
@@VivaCristoRei9 ayo I nuked the NCR can I get free head now?
i disagree with a bunch of stuff:
Lanius says that the legion will swell with numbers when it conquers the mojave, meaning (unlike the NCR who tax and conscript their occupations) the legion will have plenty of new soldiers to bolster the ranks which lessens the magnitude of being 'stretched thin.'
While many of the legion may remember their tribes, caesar "annihilates" their cultural identity probably to combat the situation you've described, but whether or not annihilation is absolute... :/
Thirdly, Lanius is a commander and probably the next caesar but don't forget about Vulpes! the battle for hoover dam was executed by lanius but was (i think) orchestrated entirely by caesar himself meaning a dichotomy exists, in that, lanius may be caesar but will still be in the field, so planning will be done including lanius (at least in part), but Vulpes (who is the most cunning and alike to caesar) will be a key strategist for the legion's future.
Most importantly, the legion doesn't do all its fighting on the field, rather they have an intricate spy network and undermine their foes before finishing them decisively. in this, their march westward would be easy to seed with frumentarii (under guise of escaping refugees or whatever) and the process can begin again.
All of this while the NCR remains defensive and therfore at a loss of information, and information is even more important than technology, since even ordinary guys with guns and machetes can take over Nevada (shout-out to Felicia Day) and the administration of the legion is more adaptive than you've given them credit for
***** with the courier's help though, House gets removed from the equation entirely and his bots too. And their spy network is more subtle than anyone gives them credit for, the best example being Curtis who made captain in the NCR and likely remains that way for years to come with the courier's involvement. And it's true the NCR can't be assassinated for a decisive blow, they still have supply lines and other priority targets that the Legion can target (the monorail in new vegas for us).
As for how things would go without the courier, no idea but it would probably suck for each side, especially the legion, and benefit House
firstly, that's a very nice closing line!
second, I think the legion wants to burn and enslave the NCR rather than occupy it, but you're right that in doing so, they'd ironically stretch themselves thin and be forced back. i think there'd be a stalemate point somewhere between the mojave and California though, and not between the mojave and arizona.
***** but Rome could never conquer Germany who were nothing but barbarians. in this scenario, Rome is NCR with it's fortifications, siege and sophistication while Germany is the Legion with crude tactics and a homefield advantage.
That was an exorbitantly roundabout way of saying: the legion knows what fights it'll lose, why engage in an open field against vertibirds if there is a forest (?!) nearby for cover. there is a lot to consider outside of technology, otherwise the Enclave would never have lot a war. by the way, this thread is a lot of fun and i'm so glad it's remained civil! :)
+boris daanimal I would disagree with the notion the video put out about the NCR being able to grow back two heads when one is cut off. Although the people of the Mojave generally dislike Caesars Legion, they make it clear in the game that their voices are not really significant. It's those that rule from California and the Hub, who don't really care about some desert miles away. If Caesar can step up his guerrilla game, pull something really audacious like assassinating the families of deployed local NCR troops, or ambushing and butchering an elite Ranger team and displaying their corpses for the profligates to see in Camp McCarren or something, the morale of the NCR govt could be broken and they would pull out of the Mojave. Although the Legion may not make a stable nation state, it would technically then have won the war.
***** Well in that case the NCR definitely holds the advantage. The only way the Legion won Hoover Damn was through pure shock and awe, they overwhelmed the NCR forces stationed there. Which then has me raise the question, what about the north west? Has Fallout Lore ever addressed places like Washington state, Oregon, or Idaho? I wonder that if the legion managed to take these states and totally encircle California if they would then stand a better chance? Or do you figure that regardless of numbers the NCR simply have the technological and tactical advantages?
NCR has guns and is modern. Legion has spears and "Little Caesar's: Tumor Tumor"
The RUclips Phantom Official but legion has a very trained and well supplied army, not to mention that they win against ncr once they get past their range attacks, as legion is much more powerful at close quarters. also ncr soldiers are sent out without training and with little supply.
That Dam Wizard Problem is, they don't quite have the strength to face a stronger opponent. Yes, the NCR is probably at its weakest in NV, but what of the Brotherhood (Given the Courier convinces the Brass to pardon the Brotherhood and agree to mutual surrender), The Remnants of the Enclave (Given the Courier convinces them to help the NCR) the Khans (If the Courier convinces them to help NCR), and The Boomers? If these factions ally with the NCR, it would be very difficult for the Legion to gain the upper hand, especially with the Brotherhood, Boomers and Remnants, as the Legionnaires are notoriously weak to plasma and explosions. The Boomers' B-25 could be fit with a low-yield, full size nuclear weapon akin to the ones used against Japan in WWII to skin the Legion alive. The Remnants and Brotherhood could go in afterwards using their power armor as sort of radiation and damage protection and wipe out any little resistance that's left. The Legion is vulnerable, especially if Caesar and Lanius are killed. All those tribes, as Austin said, are going to want their freedom, their individuality, back, and they'll war over it. That's when to strike, whether with atomic weapons, carpet bombing or just sheer force.
The RUclips Phantom Official not really lol
The RUclips Phantom Official ,lol
that's funny and I like ceasers legíon
Interesting how you first point out how Caesar's legion changed tactics after the first battle of hoover dam and then just assume they would keep using the same methods against the NCR following victory in Nevada.
Also Caesar planned to reform the Legion from what he described as a "nomadic army" to an autocratic state with a standing professional army with their new capital in Vegas. This would probably have made them behaved very different from before.
This is assuming that Caesar survives for long enough to do all that. If he survived for long enough to cement this I think it probable that Vulpes Incuplta succeeds him. Otherwise Legate Lanius seems more probable. They would use very different tactics and have very different priorities.
Lanius would probably have either have engaged in a straight forward war with the NCR or kept expanding east, incorporating tribes. If facing NCR I do believe he'd lose, although he is described as being tactical and devious despite his portrayal so maybe he'd at least not get annihilated . Technologically and politically Lanius would probably not have advanced from how the Legion is shown in Fallout New Vegas.
Vulpes however would not have engaged NCR in symmetrical warfare. He would also almost certainly have been a societal and technological reformer to try to even the playing field. This together with his manipulative skills, terror tactics shown in Nipton and indirect genocidal/area denial attack on Searchlight would make him very dangerous to an already politically unstable NCR. Sowing dissent and creating unrest in NCR from within, like shown in the quest to bomb the monorail with the frumentarius Curtis, would also do tremendous damage to the NCR.
All in all the NCR has an advantage in technology, industry and manpower. But the Legion is much more efficient in using theirs, and are more unified and motivated. I would personally bet on the Legion to be the winner, but NCR winning is a perfectly reasonable guess as well. I do however feel you give undue credit to the NCR.
Viktor if Caesar could have made New Vegas his capitol he probably could've became a greater more stable power but yes assuming first that he survives long enough and he is somehow able to take control of Vegas its self. Unless there was an inside man such as the player himself. If you were to so choose too help the legion. The legion would need someone to hand over Vegas to them flat out. Otherwise Mr. Houses robots would obliterate them in huge waves as they were to try and over run the city. Especially after their weapon systems have been upgraded and seeing as how their is a huge army of them.
First you point out the Legion needing an inside man like the courier and then assume Mr. House would get upgraded Securitrons (which was the courier's doing). I'm arguing based on a world without the courier as it's quite pointless if we talk about all the possible things the courier might do.
Without the courier Mr. House probably wouldn't manage much (he hadn't before the arrival of the courier), especially with Benny still there undermining him. Also remember that the Omertas were already in service to the Legion, so they do have a faction inside working with them. The Legion/Omertas alliance was secret to the other factions so they would have wreaked havoc on the strip in one way or another.
And whilst the Securitrons are formidable in straight forward combat, there's nothing forcing the Legion to engage in that. They are incredibly inflexible apart from just standing in the open shooting at a target. Also Mr. House is not a military strategist and is alone in directing the actions of the Securitrons, thus could probably be overwhelmed by simultaneous attacks. All in all I feel people constantly underestimate the value of the zeal within the Legion and their unrestricted approach to warfare.
Viktor the NCR has one last Trump card. As the legion marches west, the BoS is going to find itself having to choose between letting the anti technology and backwards legion run roughshod over the NCR or once again sign an uneasy alliance with the NCR. With the BoS I'd say they're smart enough to go with the devil they know.
Sure, that is true. Although at least in New Vegas they are shown to have been reduced drastically in strength. I think it is possible they decide to go underground or migrate as well as help the NCR, they do have deep historical grievances.
If I remember correctly, the NCR pretty much destroyed the Brotherhood on the west coast. The group you find in NV are basically the last remaining BoS members west of the Mississippi river. and without an independent operator (aka "the Courier") the Brotherhood is a non threat to everyone. The real question is, who gets the Boomers on their side and in what capacity. If the Legion can recruit them peacefully/conscript them, then, the NCR's technological advantage is negated and their major cities and outposts will eventually fall to a combination of high altitude bombing runs and ground invasion. At least until either the NCR starts to engage in guerrilla warfare or, the NCR citizens demand a peace negotiation. BUT, if the NCR can get the Boomers to join them, they will use the B-52 to destroy Legion outposts and eventually conquer enough of the midwest US to threaten the BoS/Enclave on the east coast. NOW, before you start with..."but it's the player that gets the bomber from the lake!"... ANYONE trying to get the Boomers on their side could do perform that task. All that's necessary, is the first contact between the NCR/Legion and the Boomers. after that, the scenario plays out like it would in-game just without the Courier.
Mr. House will rule..."'cause House always wins"...
How dare you not side with the legion!!!
legate lanius I am the legate
@@wakeup1789 ur a ranger not a legionary
@@zogar9169 sorry, I was an NCR spy hidden within the ranks of the legion posing as legate lanius
@@zogar9169 nah fuck mr house the legion and the ncr go to optimistic robot instead
Even if it's not the Storyteller, I still love Austin's videos.
Too true. I love his voice!
during my first playthrough, I actually joined the brotherhood when told by Ceaser to destroy their bunker, then proceeded to murder Ceaser and his army. Coinsidingly, I was hated by the NCR for essentially the same reason, murder. You can imagine how the battle went.
Ooof. Say, what do ya think of the Enclave? To me personally when they helped pushing the Dam i really hoped there was a way to give them amnesty for their redeeming service for pushing over the dam and it's been decades since fallout but oh well..
Most of what has been said here can be said of the Islamic State too. One thing I've observed from watching conflicts in the Middle East is that terrorism is the tactics of the weak and desperate. If you have enough resources to win the war you just attack strategic points: it's a cheaper strategy and it produces even more resources over time. Terrorism, in other hand, spends resources and manpower and you get nothing concrete in return: Al Qaeda didn't get any resources from 9/11 and the Islamic State also didn't get any resources from the attacks in Paris, on the contrary, they've spent resources and made communication lines more vulnerable. The only thing you get from terrorism is morale, but morale doesn't pay wages, doesn't make guns, doesn't make food, doesn't fuel vehicles...
Exactly. Terrorism, partisan and guerilla warfare are very potent weapons to employ against an occupying force (see Vietnam), but once a state abandons traditional warfare in favour of guerilla warfare, well, there's not much left to do. Such irregular forces aren't able to hold or administer territory, which is the entire point of war.
+Keith Killner Yeah, but you're forgetting one thing I mentioned: terrorist attacks make your own communication lines vulnerable. After a terrorist attacked the following investigations reveal spies, means of communication, bank accounts that financed actions... Also, the attacker inflict minimum damage and makes the adversary more aware of their own vulnerabilities, giving them time to reinforce those weak points.
Middle Eastern paramilitary groups don't intend to win a war against infidels, that war is pretty much lost to their commanders. The intention of terrorist attacks by those groups is to boast their strength to other local groups and governments.
Yeah, it's a ridiculous notion the Daesh are a threat to western nations. It isn't easy to drive to NY in a Toyota pickup from Iraq. Though I don't think they suffer from an iconic leader issue.
But guerrilla warfare is exactly the tactics of the weaker force, that's why it's there. And not to open a con of worm, but one man's guerrilla freedom fighter is another man's illegal terrorist insurgent. The Geneva convention was written by nations with military might.
mavis cruet you misunderstood me. Terrorist groups are definitely a threat to civilians BUT as a war tactic it is innefective - the Daesh won't make a western nation surrender with terrorism, they're not gaining resources nor territory... The attacks only serve as a propaganda to make them look strong, but if you look closer they're like a frog inflating itself to look bigger and more menacing, but it's just full of air.
Didi Andrade It's effective and proven to be so when you're defending your own nation. It's not an effective way of attacking one. During the 2nd World War Greece had quite a lot of success in the north, they disrupted and harried the Germans. Would it have beaten them in time? Maybe not, but they were hugely outgunned. But if the goal of the invader is occupation then it's effective because the can't stop using military occupation rather than a civil one, which basically means a never ending war. It worked in Vietnam, it worked in Afghanistan.
The Commies are The Winner
*LIBERTY PRIME INTENSIFIES
C o m m u n i s t s d e t e c t e d
The Liberty Prime has killed nothing but American though.
Composition, sand, rubble, and communism.
*DEATH IS A PREFERABLE ALTERNATIVE TO COMMUNISM*
Caesar actually talks about this in the game. His goal after taking Vegas is to reform the Legion from a mere army into a proper nation. No mention of how he would accomplish this, but he is aware of the Legion's many weaknesses and failures. He even created some of them deliberately, like the commanders always leading from the front so that the most zealous and bloodthirsty have a higher chance of dying and leave the more levelheaded ones behind to act out his eventual longterm plans.
Yeah people look pave little details like this. Of course it wasn't expanded on as much in the game but that was obsidian a fault for not providing enough exposition about the legion yet having way more exposition for the NCR. And I do not believe their time limits had a huge effect on that. Anyways, the legion is way more than meets the eye.
+ClovenSinger19 because obsidian only had 1 year to develop NV ^^;
+Josh Lexcelius I don't think that excuses how the second largest faction isn't given any light to shine. No it wasn't time, they just favored the good guys
Shoddycast is full of shit.
Are you saying that
I tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter?
If you do skyrim, you are the greatest person. Long live the empire.
And down with the Aldmeri dominion.
ikr
Send all Stormcloaks to Oblivion!
Isabella Regaldo No. They go to Sovngarde. We send the elves to Oblivion's embrace.
***** Exactly. When you think about it the elves are banning history with outlawing the worship of Talos, or his name in life Tiber Septim. The guy who founded the freaking Empire.
How to defeat the Legion
Step 1: Convince the Enclave Remnants to fly on top of Ceasars tent
Step 2: Drop a mini Nuke
Step 3: Just wait til the NCR Rangers Snipers to just shoot the Legion Soldiers at Hoover Dam due to Legate Lanius Gun Ho tactics.
Step 4: Profit
I don’t think wars would be a thing if all it took was a bomb and some snipers...
ncr could use vertibird and drop couple of mini nukes sent couple of veteran rangers and boom thats it
If i remember correctly, didn't House calculate that the Legion has like a lowish 70% chance of defeating the NCR at Hoover Dam without the Courier's or House's intervention?
That's pretty damn sad on the NCR's part when considering they have better and more of literally everything except for the physical conditioning of their standard troops. The mere fact that the Legion even has a chance at winning (made even worse by the fact that they're the more likely of the 2 to win) shows just how incompetent the NCR are, since i'm pretty sure that it takes a special kind of idiot military to make those odds despite having better weapons, armor, numbers, and defending advantage.
petargrad
Not entirely true. Both sides amassed a large portion of their troops for Hoover Dam, giving the NCR the defensive home field advantage as both sides have about half of their entire armies defending their other territories.
And if i remember correctly, Legate Lanius only states that the Legion isn't good at defensive battles so they need to make Hoover Dam as decisive of a victory as possible (so that they won't have to defend it later). By all means and purposes, the courier's importance is comical since the NCR actually has no disadvantage aside from individual physical fitness.
Ya, but I'm going to say this (and u do have to admire this) there training is almost better then veteran Rangers and they fight to the death
I Twine
From my experiences of seeing NCR and Legion patrols clash, i'd say that's highly unlikely since NCR troopers drop like flies to mere machetes while Legion Recruits seem to eat service rifle bullets shockingly well.
The NCRs equipment itself is also terrible.
petargrad
The problem here is that Legionanaries don't really seem to have a standard gear kit. They have a crapload of ranks, and each rank gets bigger and better weapons while also varying in numbers to a really confusing extent.
The recruits (aka noob troops) get a pistol, a few spears, and a machete, while everyone above has arsenals ranging from SMGs to assault carbines. Hell, the Centurians use all of THE most powerful non-laser weaponry in the game which includes AMRs, marksman carbines, motherfucking thermic lances (aka the "run-like-hell-and-shoot-that-fucker-before-he-1shots-you weapon) and other things that cost a fortune to get/find.
Skyrim's Independence would be its downfall
Im worried about trade I mean Skyrim isn't exactly a breadbasket
+Dusty Burkybile Mabye I could thrive in skyrim if people would stop stealing my sweetroll.
+Andreas Hägg If Skyrim became independent, hammerfell would have no reason to keep trade with them, as they were acting and trading via the ports of solitude and were still acting under the treaties and govern of the empire. thusly, if Skyrim became independent Hammerfell would see no point in trading with the storm cloaks as the gold they made was of a higher quantity with the imperials. not only that but remember most storm cloaks and Ulfric himself are xenophobes so trading with Hammerfell still wouldn't work either way.
Jomobram Strickland The people of Hammerfell would respect the Stormcloaks for fucking up the Thalmor. So they would trade with them, because any coin is better than no coin.
+Robert Faucher keep in mind while the storm cloaks own the landmass of Skyrim that the imperials have a pretty impressive fleet of hardened naval officers. not only that but hammerfell has entered a treaty of sorts with the empire.
Imperials vs stormcloacks
YES I would love to see him evaluate this. In NV both the moral choice (despite the corruption and tactics) is the NCR, compared to the Legion's barbaric ways. As stated here, they are also the smart choice. In Skyrim, the answer is much less clear because both sides are abject bunches of pawns run by very questionable leadership and serving under values that circumvent themselves. Add into that mix the inevitable conflict with the Thalmor and you have one very interesting debate.
I honestly think Empire vs Aldmeri is more important To be honest, the war in Skyrim, like the Mojave is just a part of the greater struggle in Tamriel and its outcome, although important, is only a factor in that larger conflict.
+Thomas Small
Skyrim would likely be a catalyst for a rebellion. If the Stormcloaks win then it shows that a (relatively) small force can defeat the combined might of both the Empire and Aldmeri. This could lead the Empire, or at least more of the people in it. Into considering a rebellion against the Aldmeri.
On the other hand if the Stormcloaks lose they were still a smaller force (That likely doesn't have much training. Compared to the Empire or Aldmeri anyways.) going up against 2 world superpowers, and getting pretty close to winning. This could once more cause the Empire to consider a rebellion against their elven overlords.
So while the actual war in Skyrim may not be that important strategically it is very likely that it would lead to the fall of the Aldmeri dominion, or at least freedom for most of the people under it.
Avarickan Firstly, the Aldmeri have a minor presence at best in Skyrim and so it isn't really the combination of Empire and Aldmeri, it's just the Empire, and even then not its whole strength.
Secondly, the Elves aren't 'overlords', the White Gold Concordat was a Treaty, not a surrender, the Empire is still independent, even if weakened and vulnerable.
Thirdly, the idea that the war in Skyrim would spark a declaration of war from the Empire (it would be a war not a rebellion since the Empire aren't subjects of the Aldmeri) is purely opinion, I personally don't think it would do so whether the Empire win or lose against the Stormcloaks.
The Aldmeri have an active interest in the Stormcloak Rebellion, they likely demanded the banning of Talos worship in the White Gold Concordat specifically to spark such a reaction in the devout province of Skyrim, because forcing the Empire to fight a second war, and possibly lose a province will only weaken the Empires position when war inevitably does break out again,
Win or lose, the Stormcloak Rebellion drastically weakens the Empire and leaves a bared throat for the Aldmeri to bite whenever they please. I agree that the events of Skyrim will likely lead to war between the Empire and Aldmeri again but I think it'll be on Elven terms, not Imperial ones.
Thomas Small Whether the Aldmeri presence is minor or not doesn't really matter. Just seeing that you can fight back, and even win could spark a war.
While the White Gold Concordat may not technically be a surrender it basically was. The elves were given a large portion of Hammerfell, worship of a god was banned, the Blades the best fighting force in the Empire (based on skill.) were disbanded, and the Thalmor can do whatever they please within the Empire as long as it has to do with one of these things.
The Empire has been cowed into submission by a superior force, and Skyrim fighting back could be the spark that sets them off. Seeing that they don't need to fear the elves could lead the Empire to a war.
Looking more into the lore it makes sense that the elves outlawed Talos worship to get Skyrim to leave the Empire. It had already lost Hammerfell due to the Redguards not liking the idea of giving up a large portion of their land.
It seems like the best solution would be to just hire a lot of assassins to kill off high-ranking officers in the Aldmeri army, as well as any other leaders they have. Even if two more will grow back you might have time to burn off the stump.
The real question is who will win republic of dave or tunnel Snakes
I think the answer is clear
A single radroach
Gary!
enclave vs the brother (without the lone wanderer)
brotherhood
Enclave.. The only reason they lost is because of the Demi-god player.
At this moment yes, but if you would check it from fallout's time and without interverings of the wanderer, it would probably have turned out the other way.
(not english so sorry)
"Enclave Armor is made of lead." - Storyteller
Gabrielli Andolana Unfortunately, anything he says must be considered noncanon unless verified by official sources.
Imagine in the final Fallout game (a terrible thought I know) the BOS, the Enclave, Caesar's Legion, and the NCR all face-off for total domination of the US. That would be the most badass Fallout ever.
Perhaps a cross franchise work?
Fallout: Total War
what about the institute, they are the future right
***** true, they would be like "war doesnt find the institute, the institue finds the war" or some bs
It would be cool if the Institute was involved too, but I think given that they get blown up in four out of the five possible endings in F4, they are problem blown up in the established canon.
The BOS would most likely win. The Enclave may have technology and numbers, but basically collapses in Fallout 3. Ceasers legion Would fail because of numbers, leadership, tech, and morals. Considerably the most ill-equipped "faction" for those reasons. The NCR has little foothold in possibly the most important areas. They also would not have enough supplies to move location. If they tried, it would most likely lead to a death march. Because The BOS is so wide spread, they would do fine. They have the best tech too. They could also pull out LIBERTY PRIME. Remember "CHAIRMAN CHENG WILL FAIL...CHINA WILL FALL!"
As one person put it in a fanfic, I believe:
"The Bull's going to push the bear too far, and then it'll get the attention of BOTH heads."
Didn't Ulysses say something like that in Lonesome Road?
No idea, never went through lonesome road.
My only critique in this video, is one slight little thing. Caesar adopted Augustus. Augustus gained more power, land, wealth and respect than Caesar ever dreamed of. (Off the back of Caesar) if he was smart enough to fully form a nation state in a number of decades, then I trust his ability to choose a successor (As Caesar did)
Edward wouldn’t be the first conqueror to have his empire fall apart from lack of a heir, or at least a poor choice of heir.
See Alexander the Great or Charlemagne.
@@baneofbanesAlexander didn’t think he needed an heir yet because he was so young
either that or he literally just didn’t care because he just said “to the strongest”
@@Sgt_ioiwsl doesn’t change a single goddam thing I said. Doesn’t matter how old you are, if you die with out or with too many heirs your empire will fall apart.
And Alexander’s empire was dismantled piece by piece by its neighbors in Rome and Parthia. The same would happen to Caesars empire after his death.
@@baneofbanes In this case his plan is for his heir to be the courier
also Caesar isn’t dying any time soon, he was the one with the information on literally everything do you think he’d just lie down and die? without the Courier he literally just sends someone else
@@Sgt_ioiwsl that his empire only survives due to the player character that in game he meets at most a few weeks before the battle of Hoover Dam isn’t really that great of an idea dude. That’s like giving a hobo you just met the keys to your house.
Again Caesar’s empire is doom to fall. He’s literally got a brain tumor that requires operation.
Caesar isn’t really that smart when his entire fucking empire won’t last past him.
This is a great idea, I'd definitely love to see more like this, personally.
Wordwall time, with my own input on the matter.
I've always been pro-NCR so this evaluation suits me well, but the best thing about this video is that it isn't just "NCR wins cause they're NCR". You gave very legitimate reasons they'll win in the long run; they've even been tested by history itself. It definitely makes sense that the NCR can out-attrition the Legion in the long run; sure, they're stretched thin in the Mojave... but that's the frontier; the tip of the spear for their expansion.
I mean.... The Legion can easily handle the NCR in the Mojave; on the fringes of NCR territory. It's a far cry from most of NCR civilization; they're the scouts, the Forward Operating Bases, the Outposts and Ranger Stations. Of course the regular NCR Army has presence here, but for the most part it's still frontier land. Bring the fight to the NCR heartland, things won't be so peachy. Especially since factions like the Brotherhood and maybe even Enclave remnants will get involved; "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" etc. This has already been proven through gameplay in New Vegas with both of those particular factions. They may not love the NCR but their ways of life would be at risk with the Legion's presence, too. Most of NCR land is "civilized" (non-tribal) now. Nobody wins if the Legion takes control, so everybody in the area would have some stake in seeing them pushed back. And, like you said, they'd be pushing directly into the heart of the NCR's supply network and manufacturing capabilities; running headlong into a fountain of lead, weapons showering down into the hordes of waiting conscripts and fresh recruits. Plunging straight toward all the shiny Brotherhood and Enclave tech the NCR recovered after their respective wars; all the vertibirds, plasma weapons, gatling lasers.... it would be a mess for the Legion, especially since they've got no air capabilities. One Vertibird outfitted for attack instead of transport could ruin an entire line of Legion defense. NCR may even have some pre-war fixed wing aircraft running, for all we know. And it goes without saying, they'd have the blessing of artillery support in their homeland; something even the Legion has in limited measures, but a nomadic group such as they are would never be able to last against long-standing fixed emplacements with well-trained crews.
The Legion may be able to win Vegas... but there's no way in hell they can kill the Bear.
who will ultimately win America?
The Super mutants
seems legit
Vault dwellers
"Stupid humans"
"You made us and now you shall suffer"
+julian ray please tell me that's a joke lmao...
The brotherhood of steel would never lose to super mutants.
Having the ritches of the Sierra Madre, the tecnology of the Big Empty, Nuclear bombs from the Divide, maybe a independant New Vegas can hold it'self from the NCR
maybe but eventually the tunnelers would ruin it all.
@@Blasted2Oblivion who are the tunnelers?
@@GoBIGclan The tunnelers are a monster in one of the DLC areas that are slowly making their way to the new vegas area. They are an apex predator that even a deathclaw cant match. Once they make it there, the entire region will be overrun and nobody can do a damn thing about it. Even the courier was only able to kill enough of them to stay alive.
Maybe with knowledge of the tunnelers, they can set a defence against them
@@Blasted2Oblivion We only ever see a tunneler kill a deathclaw in a scripted scene. I doubt it'd be that way in an actual fight.
leigon: "you cant defeat me"
NCR: "I know but he can"
(Time)
*"the Tunnelers"*
*~Ulysses*
This was a really great video, this really broadened my view on fallout no and military tactics in general. I got to say this was spectacular and I don't know if my words can be enough to show my enthusiasm to the great production quality and cohesiveness of this well edited video.
Anyone else wanna see east coast bos vs NCR?
NCR they have numbers and more technology(more vertbyrds and thanks) because of their size so the BoS have 20 vertbirds the NCR will 40 BoS have some thanks the NCR will have the double the NCR have some units of power armor and they have conditions to construct more the strong of the NCR are they resources and numbers their victory is inevitable
liberty prime am done
I'd love to see the East Coast BoS become a more national power.
yes
the East coast BoS is allmost exterminated at the beggining of New Vegas, and it doesnt seems like is going to get better after the game ending.
The way he says oregon makes me sad to live here
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I love the high stakes every situation in New Vegas has, then in Fallout 4 you're worried that you keep running out of aluminum
Yeah, the situations in FNV had a lot more gravity. Screw finding Shaun
I really liked the graphics you used with the map and showing the potential expansion/collapse of the legion. It was simple but looked great and really got your point across!
Let’s remember that while the NCR is waging war against Fiends and Twitter Nazis, there fighting a war in Baja California “shooting ghosts” of Bandits and Cartels
Kimballs presidency relies on those victory’s, but ultimately the NCR will win the battle of outlasting the Legion, while Lanius pilages the East and Caeser sends frumentari to facilitate the incorporation of the White Legs, they will slowly stretch themselves thin
The Legion doesn’t fight for its ideals, it fights for Caeser, when he dies the larping Empire goes with it
Its implied by the Legion ending that your character is being signaled as a potential heir after the death of Caesar. To have your likeness minted onto the coins of the legion makes your character one of the most well known individuals in Legion territory.
pretty sure a lot of factions are bunch of larpers, medieval knights with star wars weapons, cowboys, tony stark, mongolians, las vegas mob, etc
Legion WILL slowly spread too thin but the NCR is already spread too thin
@@taxult
The cowboys are less larpers and more desert people honestly.
@@saintpoli6800 but but but democracy pre war usa larpers!!!!11111111111111111111111
When the Republic of Dave allied with Easy Pete making the Kingdom of Davey Pete, it was over for both the Legion and NCR
"Cut off one head, two more will take its place"
HAIL HYDRA!
HYDRA DOMINATUS!
The hoover dam doesn't just give a vital road however, it gives control of it's electricity, and that can lead to the rest of the Mojave and the strip, which Caesar said he would make his 'Rome' out of. The NCR would be hard pressed to take the Mojave from the Legion even with a weak leadership, until the Legion has enough of an identity to start pressing again. I reckon Caesar has thought of that command issue, but is waiting until he is more secure in the Mojave to start passing on the leadership. For now at this critical stage, it is important for the troops to be loyal to him and him alone as an ideal. He is, after all, educated and knows the history of the original Rome, do you think he would plan to make the same mistake?
It was built across a great source of clean, rad-free water too.
Except he likely won't live long enough to see any of that.
How exactly is Caesar going to build his power, sure he can assimilate the great khans and any of the people on the strip that don't resist, but other than that his army is stretched pretty much as thin as it can be. To the north there is the New Canaanites and hostile Raider tribes, to the east there is only the endless flats of Texas, to the South the barren wastes of Mexico, and to the west a wall of resistance. And while he can send men any of these directions to try and assimilate others, the small amount of men Caesar will get from the Mojave is not enough to cover the cost of finding more tribes. And the Legion really has no other way to build strength, sure they may make trade safer but that's only for those that survive. Caesar lays waste to so many of the communities that could create any potential wealth through taxation. In fairness slaves could be doing more for the Legion than what we see in the game but as far as we know the slaves aren't being used for farming, or building anything beyond shanty camps. Who in Caesar's ranks is equipped to build anything, no one, that's who.
Nuclear fusion technology exists in this world. Who gives a crap about hydroelectricity?
We never hear anything about Caesar except his rise to power. We have no idea if he has heirs that he has groomed to be competent rulers. Legate Lanius is the assumed heir because 1 the devs ran out of time and couldn't flesh out the Legion and 2 because he's their best warrior. Just the warrior thing is irrelevant though as being the most badass warrior isn't cause to be in charge or Lanius obviously would have already unseated the old man Caesar. Obviously there's more to it than just being combat effective as an individual.
I do agree with the video's take that invading the NCR would be totally different than swallowing up independent tribes but I don't believe for a second that the NCR would be infallible just because they're a democracy. If Caesar's heir or heirs (depending on how long it takes) the Legion could absolutely defeat the NCR. Not quickly but over time they could definitely annex territory bit by bit until they reach the ocean.
A true Roman would never use the Bull as their symbol. It's more of a Minoan thing, but that's not why.
Despite the fact the 10th legion used the bull as their symbol?
Aquila jupiteri urbem internam regat usque fine orbis.
Isn't it strange how in the Fallout setting, bulls have two heads and bears still have one, yet the NCR flag has a two-headed bear and the Legion flag has a mono-headed bull?
I think their logos are meant to be symbolic. The NCR has more than one leader, hence two headed bear that can still function even if one head is removed, while the Legion puts all of their eggs into one basket.
That's a brilliant analysis.
"Stay strapped or get clapped"
-Sun Tzu