Carrying an extra magazine is more for a magazine failure rather than needing the excess ammunition, in some cases it can be faster to reload then to try and fumble with a malfunction
@@MaxZen1968 Then you have the problem of only having 6 rounds. If you are met by multiple attackers you will need to one shot everyone or face death. I understand a shootout with 3+ attackers is extremely rare but I want the best chance at surviving. Spare mag for me.
@@MaxZen1968 revolvers are over sized, over weight, and under capacity. I’m sorry, but after the advent of the Sig 365 and the Springfield Hellcat, The era of revolvers is over. I mean if you like them for their appeal, and familiarity, sure. But to say they are anywhere near as advantageous as modern offerings in almost any regard is just ignorant
@@very7962 I think you're over-stating the case and just wrong in some instances. Firstly, you don't have to resolve FTF or FTE situations with a double-action revolver, all you have to do is pull the trigger again. Secondly, there's plenty of snub nose revolves on the market. Hell, you can buy N-Frame S&W revolvers that can be loaded with 8 rounds of 357 Mag and are only 3/4 longer than a glock 43. Considering that you just watched a presentation on how uncommon reloading is how most situations can be resolved with less than 3 shots; what's your argument for an auto-loader?
I realize I'm a bit late to the talk, but a video from Garand Thumb that I recently saw showed the effectiveness of a .22lr pistol for self-defense. The primary reason I point to it as a more than capable defense round is for the point made at about 8:30 in this video: no overpenetration. Yet, it's a DEVASTATINGLY effective considering the up-close-and-personal scenarios that often play out in defense situations, as also shown in the video and in Garand Thumb's video mentioned showing just how effective .22lr is in self-defense carry situations.
When buying a hand gun, recoil control is essential. If you can't control the recoil, you'll never hit your target. Rational Preps puts out the best videos on RUclips. Rational Preps made a great video titled Busting Handgun Caliber Myths.
If you can't hold the recoil on a. 45 tell your wife she has a wife, there are so many high Caliber low recoil weapon it's unbelievable, it's 2021 guys damn near 2022, this is the future. And yes shot placement is key, just always better in a. 45.
I don't really ever disagree with any of the data being presented in this type of video. Where I start to disagree is with the idea of doing only the minimum because that's almost always all that needs to be done. No, I don't believe that I'm ever likely to get into a situation in which a speed reload is required. That said, why not be capable of it, just in case? I don't believe that I'm going to be in a situation in which I need to hit a target, with a small handgun, outside of 12 feet, but why not be capable of it, just in case? These videos always have this weird undertone of "why bother?", and I disagree with that philosophy. I never once needed to affix my bayonet to my service rifle, as an infantryman, but they trained me on the process anyway. Can you guess why? Yeah, you probably can. It's "just in case".
The saying is "hope for the best, but plan for the worst." This video seems to be saying "hope for the best, and plan for the best." The stuff he mentions as low priority should not just be afterthoughts.
So one thing he gets right... training that involves escalation of force. This is very wise. Knowing when it's appropriate to verbally challenge someone, when to get your gun out, and when to shoot, are necessary skills.
I'm not watching your video I'm watching his you know how that works right? I didn't come here to get information from you I came here to get information from the video he has evidence for what he is saying and you just said one thing he got right he got everything in this video right you're one of those people that just simply like to argue with somebody and that's a mighty Goofy name and picture that you picked for your RUclips judging from that I wouldn't want much information from you at all
For God's sake, don't chase criminals. If they flee, let them go. The mere fact that he brings this up appears to taught this as sound advice. It's dumb, don't do it.
But why would you anyway? If they're running away you won right? Isn't that the objective? The reason courts look badly on it is because it wasn't necessary. If someone tries to f*ck you over and you end up on top - don't be a dick - they failed...
@@MattRiddell well imagine if some dirtbag robber accidently killed one of your family member then flees while you are armed and has a good shot. I'm just saying it really incentivise people to choose violence, blood lust and revenge can drive people to do things.
@@meatykyun5981 Bro, obviously that's different - you're straight up going to jail for it, but I can'y argue I may choose the same option. I'd hope that I had the fortitude to incapacitate and rely on mates once he gets to prison but yeah I get what you're saying. It's hard as a man to block off those primal instincts and the society we live in will punish you if you fail to do so. I primarily shoot a glock and I'm pretty happy with it.
@@meatykyun5981 Oh and by the way, before you give me shit for using a polymer weapon, obviously as a programmer I can't lift anything heavier 😂 Have a good day/night bro wherever you're at
One super important fact is how much you can carry in your weapon because each shot fired increases your chances of winning and also let’s not forget people will miss shots even if they are close
The #1 lesson to keep in mind is to not draw from the drop, unless you're absolutely sure that the other guy will pull the trigger, in which case it wouldn't matter and you wouldn't lose anything by trying your best.
This video reminds me of the story about how the Air Force wanted to improve their bomber's survival rate during WWII. They looked at all the planes that returned and fortified the areas where they saw the most damage. What they failed to realize is that they needed to study the planes that did not come back as those were the ones that where being hit in critical areas. In this video, we are studying the successful cases of self defense when in reality, you should be looking at the failed cases of self defense to prevent those failures. If the odds of you crashing your car is 1%, do you wear your seatbelt 1% of the time? Or do you wear your seatbelt 100% of the time to be prepared for the 1% chance it goes wrong.
Good points ! I was face with a situation several days ago were a man with road rage got out of his truck and headed towards my car , as he approached I sternly shook my head with pure confidence “ don’t do it !!! “. My Glock was right there in its holster ready for draw and I was prepared mentally that if he came and tried busting my window and attacking me then I was committed to do what I had to do to protect my life and property . I always carry a round in the chamber and pistol in the holster for this very reason , you don’t need to ad layers to a high stress situation. I thank God that man turned around and got back in his truck , the life he saved was his own that day . I pray I’m never in a situation where I have to pull and take action but if need be I will ! After I got home I had to reflect and I asked myself “ would you have fired if he came in your car ? “ and I answered “yes and until the threat was over “ . If you are going to have a gun and or carry as I do ( I have my CCW permit and carry insurance). Then you must confront the very fact that you may actually have to use the damn thing and cause someone else to no longer be here, I think this is a very important part of training and a necessary mindset for you coming out alive in an attack . Godspeed 😁✌️🇺🇸
Could you have just driven away. More than half the time that's all you need to do. Unfortunately people tend get the deer in the headlights mindset and think they have to stay and fight it out. Your right, if you carry a gun you need to get your mind around the f
Amen! I've been preaching situational awareness and avoiding/evading for years. Nobody wants to hear it. I guess it's more fun to buy expensive toys and imagine you're a superhero or a militia commander leading an assault on Area 51 and FEMA HQ. So frustrating. One legit reason to stockpile ammo isn't because of a prolonged firefight with hoards of murderous have-nots, but rather the very certain, imminent possibility of ammunition bans and restricted sales. (I'm not smart enough to know if 100 or 10,000 rounds of my favorite caliber would be enough to last me, my children and grandchildren through that unholy experiment.) Thanks for your rational explanation of real world self defence!
It is absolutely more fun to imagine you're Rambo than to acknowledge the reality that nobody cares about you outside your small circle of F&Fs . Nobody makes superhero movies about guys who try to accomplish their mission _without_ shooting anyone.
Regarding 3:52: The fact that a majority of successful self defense shootings involved smaller caliber guns IN NO WAY supports the narrator's opinion that this means smaller caliber guns (9 mm, .38, .380 etc.) are better for self defense than .40 or .45 caliber weapons. Those results merely align with the fact that the majority of people have smaller caliber weapons.
That’s an excellent point, but we could conclude that most people have smaller caliber at this time because it’s well known that using modern defensive ammo, 9 mm is just as effective as 40 and 45. What’s funny is most people probably also have 9 mm as a caliber of choice so they can have the higher capacity magazines that this guy also concludes are unnecessary.
even if only three required reloading that still means you need to train and be reado for it. that's just one example but as long as it happens ones that means it could happen to you.
One thing not enough civilians really consider is that your priorities in one of these scenarios are different than a cop/servicemember's. Their job is to END the threat. Your job is to get you/yours out of danger.
He also only analyzed only successful situations. I feel like it's a safe assumption that incidents that required a reload had a much lower probability of a successful outcome. A useful statistic to look at would be how many were unsuccessful where having an additional magazine or a higher capacity magazine would have potentially made a difference. So many mistakes in this video on how to properly analyze data and draw conclusions.
Why in the hell would anybody choose a 454 or a 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum for a self-defense weapon what the hell am I doing going in out to Alaska where I got to worry about getting attacked by a bear.
This is a pretty decent video, despite the obvious survivorship bias problem. The NUMBER ONE skill is avoidance. Period. I get that you can't avoid someone coming into your home. But you can avoid being at a given business at a given time if you aren't its employee. For most situations, the single most important skill is avoidance. Or "aviod" as this video shows. Secondly is de-escalation, where possible. If you're in a business and a dude comes in with a gun, obviously you're past de-escalation and you skip straight to draw and challenge (or initiate "proactive defense") . But just because these steps might not apply, this should still be first if possible to apply them.
In Texas this year there was a large crew of 5, I believe, that were mostly dead after attempting a home invasion that was successfully defended by a sole occupant. There is always a prepare for the worst case scenario but you have to be rational about the chances of that happening and I believe this was one of those cases. I updated after finding article. It was 5 not 7 and 3 died 2 injured. Occurred January 21, 2019
I think these statistics are a prime example of survivorship bias. While you make some good points, this doesn't include the failures of self defense in which some of the points like having a weapon on you or speed reloading or having enough ammunition was a factor.
Exactly Right. Examining the successful incidents is exactly wrong and prone to survivorship bias is the perfectly apt term. The classic example is the case of the WW2 bombers and those who came back with battle damage. They didn't reinforce the areas that had battle damage, but the other areas precisely because if the plane made it home damaged in those areas, it must have been damage in the OTHER areas that caused the plane not to make it home.
@sheparddog117 I don’t think you can get reliable statistics on a failed self defense effort. I think the better approach is “case studies “ line John at ASP does. Certain themes like “never draw on a drawn gun” will become clear.
Honestly, when I'm conceal carrying I like to conceal 1 extra magazine just in case of the super rare instance I have some kind of weird malfunction. Also, on my carry side my firearm and attached mag are subject to a good amount of heat and sweat / bad humidity in the summer which has been known to cause missfires due to faulty primers, even with the special so called "sealed" primer charges like the federal LE-HST's. I usually won't rotate my loaded magazine except for once a year unless something crazy happens like I fall into the water or who knows what but with my concealed extra mag I regularly rotate it when going to the range or trying out new ammo or even when going camping and small game hunting.... I know I have the method backwards but it's just what I do and while agreeing with the majority of points in the video, the extra mags do serve a legitimate purpose.
dude please continue making more videos, you're amazing, theres a crap ton of market in this niche, and you could honestly make this a living. make more, you're amazing
@@marco_marks that's a straw man and you know it. Firstly, meteor strikes are far less likely than protracted gun fights, and secondly, a helmet certainly would not save you from a meteor strike, whereas a spare mag might save you in a firefight.
This freaking guy. He presents all this data as the average minimum effective requirement, so that’s what you should use. Since you’ve worked in most of the time… You should never have a reason or justification to carry a bigger caliber, a bigger, gun, more ammo, or store large quantities of ammo. Get out of here. When able I don’t choose to defend myself with the bare minimum when I can have an overwhelming advantage, which also covers down some on Murphy’s Law.
I agree with you. In my experience I have managed on two different occasions to have an assailant leave my house showing to him my gun, 38 special short barrel revolver, and telling him that I'm going to use it against him if he does not leave. On no occasion did I have to shoot, and I know how to do it well.
P320 in 40 cal is my preferred choice, but it also gives you the option to switch over to 9mm and 357 sig with a different magazine and slide/barrel combo. Giving me the option of using at least 3 different rounds in case of one of the ammo being hard to find.
"P320 in 40 cal is my preferred choice, but it also gives you the option to switch over to 9mm and 357 sig with a different magazine and slide/barrel combo." No. You can only switch between .40SW and .357Sig (with barrel swap) NOT 9mm.
The whole principle of 2A is not for only self defense, it's to safeguard from tyrannical forces, by that logic you can never have enough ammo and ammo capacity
As legit as it mostly is, his whole point is to only troll the gun community. He is using some facts to try to back up what he think to be true. Like how someone trains or would react.
Stockpiling ammunition does not mean that you are expecting to be fighting multiple people. stockpiling ammo means there will be a shortage of ammunition and to keep ammunition around a person will buy a lot of it so if the case of it going out of stock, they will have rounds to use. multiple magazines does not mean the person needs multiple magazines to defend him or her self what it does mean is that they have multiple opportunities to reload if they need to. Having a high capacity magazine depending on the situation may be needed. Also defending yourself does not always mean the person is defending themselves from a human being, so I also take that into consideration. But most of the time shooting a shot at one individual, if that individual is flaky and scared that will stop the attack, but in case of an individual that is already shooting at you with the intent to kill you ,having having more rounds in the chamber is a good thing ,you having a magazine with at least 13 or better rounds inside of it would also be a better chance against you surviving the outcome if your shot placement is good, but this is also situational and can be overruled in other cases . But it is better safe than sorry. Also the most deadliest gun is a shotgun gun. At good range it a no miss and almost always a instant kill if you use buck shot. Now the thing about having a gun will most likely scare most attackers away, this is true cause most attackers want victims not fighters. The smaller caliber thing is true , but with the smaller caliber people shoot until magazines are empty, also most of your small conceal weapons have about 6 to 8 rounds. Now with new firearms coming out it is double that . But smaller the gun lower the amount of rounds.
Why? The NRA training programs are actually one of the things the organization does *right* You’ve got to remember, the NRA is more than just the political lobbying wing of the org.
@@mustangkrillin - Maybe so doesn't change the fact that most people end up arguing something he did not say because they don't care to listen properly before projecting their personal offenses onto the video.....
@@paintballthieupwns Magdumping tacticool neckbeards that dont want to believe that the 15k worth of gear and irrelevant training they got wont matter for anything when shtf.
@@mustangkrillin Please start the conversation. Personally, he is echoing conclusions that I have come to from my own research and personal defensive needs. I would enjoy hearing your take on what we've concluded in error. With that being said. @Rational Preps Loved the video. I appreciate someone going through the trouble to produce videos that educate people on firearms from a fact based and informative manner. Thank you again, and I join the chorus of people encouraging you to keep doing what you're doing.
@@SweetnLulz I posted all the things he got wrong. The data he used is not the issue. It's the conclusions he reaches. A lot of false bullshit that most people who have had a reasonable amount of training can verify.
There's some good info here and a lot of bad, so upon rewatching this, i decided to do several comments instead of one long one. One thing this video gets right is the quality of information used. The source isn't the issue, it's the bizarre conclusions reached that have no basis in reality or common sense.
Yeah, something about the conclusions didn't seem right to me, but I couldn't put my thumb on it. I think I read all your comments. Thanks for posting them.
The person who made the video is a tight ass. That's the issue. He uses the law as a beating stick, instead of fighting for the individual. It's lawyer nonsense. Of which to an extent of course he's right. Good people get screwed over all the time. He just "glorifies" it by exposing the innocently incarcerated.
Finally!!!!! Dude I was so pumped to see a new video from ya, and it's a SIIIIIICK one. Terrific voice, excellent production and I love all the solid and backed up info. Please make more, lots more. Thanks man, have a good one =)
Train as though you We’re going to be in the worst possible scenario you could think of. You don’t under train yourself. you over train yourself. you over prepare. Being under prepared likely will end in tragedy. You train to win against any odds. Remember just because the statistics maybe accurate, does not mean that is the situation that you will run into. Maybe you will be the one who has to reload, maybe you will be the one that needs the extra magazine, maybe you will be the one in the circumstance where the criminal will not flee after being shot. train as though you needed every skill in the book not just one or two.
I carry a Ruger LCP max with a 12rd mag in the gun, and one spare 12rd mag, loaded with 380+P XTP. And it comes with night sights. That's 25rds of ammo that is slightly less powerful than 9mm para. In a gun that is truly small and which only weighs 15oz fully loaded.
Ah yes, everyone's favorite anti-gun propagandist masquerading as a "rational prepper". Let's see what he insinuates. (My response in brackets.) 1. Small caliber hand guns "Instantly Kill" on the first shot 30% of the time. (Gross exaggeration. They might kill in one shot 30% of the time but that doesn't mean that it is "instant") 2. Don't carry, even where legal because you can't always carry. (This makes no sense. Carry when you can.) 3. Don't carry at home because most people don't carry at home. (It will always be faster to deploy your gun if you are wearing it. Most people don't wear it at home because it isn't comfortable. Regardless it should be easily accessible.) 4. Don't use a rifle because rifles aren't used often. (If you want one shot instant kills like was mentioned in #1 a rifle is better then a hand gun.) 5. Don't use a high capacity gun because most defense shootings are 1 or two shots. (Most, not all. If you have a 6 shot revolver and for some reason you didn't kill all the bad guys after the sixth shot now you are really up shit creek aren't you?) 6. Don't have a spare mag. (If you don't need it, you don't have to use it. Doesn't hurt to have it. It's kind of like saying don't have a rainy day fund because you probably won't need it. It's just dumb.) 7. Don't stockpile ammunition. (Stockpiling is just common sense. You should be practicing, so you will use some ammo up on an ongoing basis. I don't know if anyone noticed but there has been an ammo shortage for a couple of years now. Can't practice without ammo. If/when you can find ammo, prices keep going up due to government induced inflation, so ammo purchased in the future will most likely cost more then ammo purchased today. Almost like ammo purchased today, or hell five years ago, is a good investment. Also, if the S ever does HTF might not hurt to have a little extra ammo lying around no?) 8. Mindset and Situational Awareness are more important then equipment. (This I agree with. However I would add being proficient with your weapon, which means you need to practice, which means you need ammo, which means you should have at least a small stockpile. See above.) Mainly what he is doing is assuming that if something was statistically frequent that it is optimal, then expecting you to believe him. This is just asinine. When your life or families life is on the line being just barely adequately prepared for the most frequent encounter is just stupid. This guy is a turd and judging by the production value, a very well funded (as in backed by an anti gun group or government) turd.
You can tell his bias by use of language as well. 72% is "only" and 28% is "whopping"? My math may be a little rough, but I'm pretty sure those descriptions should be reversed.
CARRY WHATEVER YOU KNOW YOURE COMFORTABLE SHOOTING.... WHETHER ITS A .22 OR A S&W 500.... IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN QUICKLY WHIP IT OUT AND GET A ROUND OR 2 TO YOUR TARGET WITHOUT ANY HESITATION....MORE POWER TO YOU. TRAINING IS THE UTMOST KEY TO THESE SITUATIONS.
One of the points I don't necessarily disagree with, but I will certainly not follow, is the one about "If you can avoid killing an intruder, do it". Nope. If you come to my house, uninvited, with ill intent, I'm not shooting to defend myself, I'm shooting to kill you. If I put a bullet in your chest and the threat is neutralized, and you're lying on the floor, in a puddle of your own blood, I'll shoot you again and you'll stop breathing, and I will deal with any and all legal consequences from this point on. A scenario where you come into my home, threaten my life and are then taken to a hospital, and later a courtroom, alive, does not exist. You have signed your death sentence. I want anyone who knows about your criminal activities, your family, your associates, to know that you are playing Russian Roulette by doing what you do. And if they have any bright ideas of trying anything like that, they know what's waiting for them. If you fail, not getting my stuff or getting into legal trouble is not gonna be a problem for you, you won't live to where it will be a problem. And I will stand in front of any judge or jury, hell, I will stand in front of God himself, if he exists, and I will admit this with a clean conscience. When dealing with criminals, you need to understand their mentality, instead of doing what most people do and taking out your brain and placing it into another person's head. These people are persuaded by strength, dominance and the fear of death. They have a "path of least resistance" mindset. There are very few Joker-like nutjobs who will purposely try to rob houses that are more difficult to rob. Most will try and attack softer targets. When you let potential intruders know that they will be shot, and any survivors will be shot again, you can consider yourself crossed off the "desirable target" list. Same goes for people who are mugged at knifepoint and then shoot their mugger in the back. It's not about the cash and phone. It's about the fact that, if that criminal gets away, well, now you have an empowered criminal who thinks they can pull that stuff off again. And again. And again. If they're killed, their fellow muggers know that maybe this isn't as risk-free as previously thought, the self-preservation switch in their brain will be on. Laws are meant for civilized people who will follow them. We're talking about extremely animalistic human beings who haven't evolved past a caveman mentality. Trying to reason with them or showing mercy is like trying to reason with a wild beast. If they were that smart and civilized, they wouldn't be in your house, trying to kill you. I'm talking about the night time burglars, the ones who aren't waiting around for you to leave your house and then steal your stuff when you're not there. I'm talking about the violent monsters who have the unimaginable gall to come to your home, knowing full well you and/or your loved ones are there. These people are ready to spill blood and take lives. They have the full intention to be a threat not only to your belongings, but to your health and life. That kind of individual voids their right to live.
I agree to a point. If someone has the balls to break into my house, knowing that I am home, I'm going to assume he is a deadly threat. In that case I will most likely open fire immediately. On the other hand, I have no intention of going to prison, so there can be a fine line to walk.
@@Life_Is_Torture0000 Due to castle doctrine laws, it's extremely unlikely you'll go to jail for shooting an armed individual who broke into your home, and finishing them off once they were neutralized. A hefty fine is a more likely outcome of that scenario. And even with the scenario of shooting a mugger in the back, if you have no prior convictions, you'll be outta there for good behavior on parole in no time. You're not going to waste 20 years of your life behind bars. I have friends and relatives in law, I've asked them about scenarios like that, it depends from state to state. I'm talking (albeit off the top of my head) about the more pro-gun places.
Shooting targets at 25 yards at the range is not because you expect to defend yourself from that distance. You do it so you can hit targets much closer easily. If I can hit a dinner plate at 50 yards reliably, then I can certainly hit it at 3 yards under stress. your videos seem less focused on reality and more on crapping on ideas you just don't like.
chill out man. the point he's making is that type of training alone isn't sufficient because not all defensive scenarios will have a static target at 25 yards while you are standing in a perfect shooter's pose. He even showed a video of that off duty cop in brazil needing to shoot behind him while sitting in his car. But somehow you think that's less focused on reality? That's about as real as it can get
You need to train under stress to shoot ok under stress. Try running some distance or a few burpees to speed up your pulse. If you end up in real firefight you probably will not be in ideal conditions calm and prepared
But ,but, but , if I don't train to shoot at 50 yards, am able to reload lightning fast, carry multiple guns, knives, extra mags, flashlight, body armor, etc. whatever will I do when a car pulls up beside me and it turns out to be seal team 6 asking me to lend a helping hand?
I’m a truck driver. I may or may not have a pistol in my truck. That’s the thing, people don’t know. Bad guys know their target may have a weapon, so they bring their guns. Now it’s gun vs gun. I don’t want to shoot anybody, at all.
When defending a property (your home) your firearm concern is less about what kind of weapon and more about how many people can defend it at once. Thousands of hours of doorbell camera footage attest that most armed robberies are done by multiple assailants. If you live in a normal house you have multiple doors to watch. Not everyone can use an MSR or shotgun. But even a nine year old child or ninety year old grandparent can use a .22 pistol.
I'll finish with one last positive note. Situational awareness and a mindset of being willing to fight are important aspects that often go ignored. However, a lot of this bs should be ignored and frankly this video very well illustrates why you should be careful of who you take firearms advice from.
Still a good idea to carry a gun when you can and to have extra ammo just in case a wrol situation will be different than the scenarios in this study. As far as big bore calibers 9mm if what I carry except for in the woods where I may run into large aggressive animals and for that I carry a 10mm because I can shoot it more accurately than a 44 and it has more rounds. I do agree with you that situational awareness is the most important thing but telling people they don't need to carry a gun on them at all times and they don't need to carry extra mags because they aren't as likely to use them is dumb because shit happens that is out of the norm sometimes. Also there was guy who stopped a mass shooting this past year by shooting the attacker 40 yards away.
The statistics he quoted we’re not taken from a shit hit the fan scenario. During a shit hit the fan scenario there will be more mobs than a couple of guys coming to your house. So far I have been very unimpressed with this channel. The AR 15 video was 100% garbage.
I generally scoff at anything "prepper." They strike me as people who sit around collecting guns, ammo, freeze-dried food and tools that they will never use and their heirs will have to dispose of when they die of old age. But your videos are interesting and good. And you cover realistic scenarios that might actually happen sometime.
0:50 - 482 self defense cases as reported ovr 5 yrs. 6:12 - multiple attackers, 36% of cases had multiple. Most of these had 2 attackers. If there was a 3rd person they were typically the getaway drivr. No cases did drivers help in shootin. If there was 4th man he was most oftn outside as a lookout. 4th person didn't seem 2b armed. 6:52 - largest group in study was gang of 7. Home ownr w/shotgun killd 2, hurt 1, rest ran awy. 7:13 - armd bandits look 4 victims, not a fight.
So here's where he goes off the rails. The majority of shootings do take place at close proximity. However that doesn't mean training static at 21 or more feet is pointless. One, it teaches new shooters important fundamentals. It also requires using the sights, more on that in a minute but i will say people can, and do MISS at 10 feet or less. Think of slow static shooting as learning the basics of driving in a large empty lot, shooting fast and close as driving in traffic and defensive shootings as the Indy 500. You start slow and work your way up.
I never heard him say aim small, miss small was bullshit. What difference is aiming small, missing small at 10 feet, 100 feet, 1000 feet? I like how he says reload speed reload isnt a real issue. He make 1,2,3,4,5,6 points at then end....they all made sense.
@@dhardy6654 He specifically said point shooting was the way to go, ie not aiming except by feel or instinct, or not using the sights. His points and logic are well laid out, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. Go back and rewatch the video and read my other comments.
@@mustangkrillin point shooting is the way to go. I drill it at home with a laser and look for a star drawen on my point of aim. I like it because point shooting comes come quick off the draw. I like it because it keeps my left hand free. I like it because my field of vision isnt dominated my a front sight focus and the pistol is low out of field of view. I usually drill it at the range and then come up to a two hand...a two hand makes me feel very squard to a target, very based on the ground...i like how point shooting is more free flowing and dynamic in movement. It makes me look like a differt target to the other guy. I have no problem shooting a 6 inch group at 15 feet with my double action only bodyguard 380. I just want to go out to the woods and shoot a 360 degree and work my feet.
@@mustangkrillin its not range stuff i do...its actual shooting with sub compacts and pocket pistols....almost shooting from my pocket is often my goal. I switch from left to right and back and forth. I shoot a ton of trap when in not messing around with pistols...sometimes i hip shoot trap and bust clays. Natural point of aim is something that can be developed if you work for it.
Is no one else picking up on the voice? This dude isn't even a fudd, he sounds like a 20-30 year-old faking a drawl. This is a disturbing level of try-hard from people you really don't want pulling the wool over your eyes.
This seems like a lot of opinions wrapped in some fact. Just because something is less likely to happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen people should prioritize based on your own personal situation
I feel like hes trying to argue that magazines over 7 rounds are useless... 😂 more fuddery... And while I think he makes some decent points, he just uses them to justify fuddery.
His stats bear out that 7+ rounds are rarely required. However, I’d like to have a spare 7 rounder or one 12+ round magazine to boost the confidence level. Adrenaline will be flowing and misses will happen.
@@richardschraf9924 I think as many rounds as can be "on tap" with a reasonable caliber (9mm as at example), in a reasonably sized package is objectively the best way to have your gun set up... Sure you might only have to shoot once, but I don't wanna be shit out of luck if I have to shoot more. Now where you get into the extreme stuff is reloading fast, its not a bad thing to know, but the odds you'll ever use it are so astronomically small, that it doesn't matter if you know how to reload fast. The videos creator is either an extreme fudd, or troll, he warps the facts to fit his own view, this was glaringly obvious in his Ar15 video... In which he outright lied a few times.
Between this video and the AR video, I wonder if they weren’t produced by the government. Perhaps to get folks to stop buying AR’s and to buy smaller calibers with less capacity. This gives their agents the upper hand for the impending gun confiscation. Sorry, but after the last 20 months or so I see a conspiracy under every rock.
I don’t believe he made that case at all. He’s talking about priorities in this video. Prioritizing round count for example may not be as necessary as prioritizing deescalation techniques. Prioritizing draw speed may not be as necessary as prioritizing counter a ambush plan.
I DISAGREE with your conclusion that the low number of rounds fired SUPPORTS the anti gunner's attempts to limit our magazine capacities. It's not that it's ALWAYS necessary, but I don't like having people with no knowledge (the anti gun folks and their ignorant politicians) coming up with arbitrary limitations with no practical knowledge of self defense with a firearm. The idea is to have it when you need it, NOT to need it when you don't have it. Also there is always the scenario where shots are missed (like in rural situations where the stand off distance can be greater). You will STILL need and want the extra round capacity, JUST IN CASE.
3 incidents required reloading. mYtH bUsTeD No not even close. Again for the 3 that did require reloading, it probably mattered to them that they could reload quickly. Also, while rare, there is a chance that a semiautomatic can malfunction and MAY require a new mag to fix. Now i get it. Every decision should be made on a cost/benefit analysis. But what's the cost of practicing reloading quickly? Not much. What's the cost of carrying an extra mag? Well you're already carrying the gun so... Statistically this is unlikely, but if you NEED it the cost of not doing it could be much more detrimental.
I agree with you in that i usually carry an extra mag for my various pocket pistols. Almost never do i carry an extra mag for my double stacks. That being me and you...it doesnt mean that the data about combat reloads he talks about is wrong. I guess i carry extra single stacks because they are easy to pocket and fast to reaload. When i carry revolvers...maybe 10% of the time ill carry a speed strip.
That's a good question. I'd love to see him go into this topic. While relatively rare, it could still happen anywhere. Mass shootings certainly are not the average incident, which means many of the statistics, averages, etc, might not apply. Mass shooters are not the average criminal. I think most mass shooters expect to die. So it's hard to count on them fleeing after 1 or 2 shots. Which might necessitate higher capacities & speed reloads.
One of the very best firearms self defense videos I've yet to see posted on RUclips. It's where I am on the topic. I confess that I arrived here as much out of economic necessity as from research and training. Might also add that my tax payer paid for training was with .38 Special S&W K-frame revolvers, so that's what I'm most comfortable. More videos like this would be great, but I'll take quality over quality of videos.
My Glock 19 is always within arms reach, always. If I can't solve the situation with 16 rounds of 9mm JHP +p then it should buy me enough time to fight my way to the area I have a Remington 870 and an AR15.
Carrying an extra magazine is more for a magazine failure rather than needing the excess ammunition, in some cases it can be faster to reload then to try and fumble with a malfunction
Makes a strong case for a revolver, just thoughts....
@@MaxZen1968 Then you have the problem of only having 6 rounds. If you are met by multiple attackers you will need to one shot everyone or face death. I understand a shootout with 3+ attackers is extremely rare but I want the best chance at surviving. Spare mag for me.
@@MaxZen1968 always carry 3 different type of weapons. Glock, revolver, and truck gun. Lol
@@MaxZen1968 revolvers are over sized, over weight, and under capacity.
I’m sorry, but after the advent of the Sig 365 and the Springfield Hellcat,
The era of revolvers is over. I mean if you like them for their appeal, and familiarity, sure.
But to say they are anywhere near as advantageous as modern offerings in almost any regard is just ignorant
@@very7962 I think you're over-stating the case and just wrong in some instances.
Firstly, you don't have to resolve FTF or FTE situations with a double-action revolver, all you have to do is pull the trigger again.
Secondly, there's plenty of snub nose revolves on the market. Hell, you can buy N-Frame S&W revolvers that can be loaded with 8 rounds of 357 Mag and are only 3/4 longer than a glock 43.
Considering that you just watched a presentation on how uncommon reloading is how most situations can be resolved with less than 3 shots; what's your argument for an auto-loader?
Again i will be nice and give another nod to a good point. Firing until empty is a bad idea (if you can avoid it.) Shoot until the threat has stopped.
Only if law enforcement would follow that rule.
I realize I'm a bit late to the talk, but a video from Garand Thumb that I recently saw showed the effectiveness of a .22lr pistol for self-defense. The primary reason I point to it as a more than capable defense round is for the point made at about 8:30 in this video: no overpenetration. Yet, it's a DEVASTATINGLY effective considering the up-close-and-personal scenarios that often play out in defense situations, as also shown in the video and in Garand Thumb's video mentioned showing just how effective .22lr is in self-defense carry situations.
I always believed you’re better-off shooting a smaller round accurately than getting a bigger gun that you hesitate to fire, or you flinch.
yeah, its way scarier to be chased by an expert with a small calibre than an idiot with a large caliber rifle. In most cases its about shot placement.
Grandaddy carried that pocket 22 in his overalls always said the same
When buying a hand gun, recoil control is essential. If you can't control the recoil, you'll never hit your target. Rational Preps puts out the best videos on RUclips. Rational Preps made a great video titled Busting Handgun Caliber Myths.
If you can't hold the recoil on a. 45 tell your wife she has a wife, there are so many high Caliber low recoil weapon it's unbelievable, it's 2021 guys damn near 2022, this is the future. And yes shot placement is key, just always better in a. 45.
And I always believed that it's better to sling a bowling ball then toss a pebble....
I don't really ever disagree with any of the data being presented in this type of video. Where I start to disagree is with the idea of doing only the minimum because that's almost always all that needs to be done. No, I don't believe that I'm ever likely to get into a situation in which a speed reload is required. That said, why not be capable of it, just in case? I don't believe that I'm going to be in a situation in which I need to hit a target, with a small handgun, outside of 12 feet, but why not be capable of it, just in case? These videos always have this weird undertone of "why bother?", and I disagree with that philosophy.
I never once needed to affix my bayonet to my service rifle, as an infantryman, but they trained me on the process anyway. Can you guess why? Yeah, you probably can. It's "just in case".
@David Stunning well what exactly is he saying?
@@powersww1reset prioritization of the resources you spend on your preparations?
@@kurousagi8155 Sounds like only doing the bare minimum with extra words.
@David Stunning he's not saying that the video said that verbatim it was more of an undertone like he said an underlying message he wasn't quoting.
NOOOO.....you should never train, you should never stockpile ammo for an emergency, and you should never buy anything bigger than a .22
The saying is "hope for the best, but plan for the worst." This video seems to be saying "hope for the best, and plan for the best." The stuff he mentions as low priority should not just be afterthoughts.
So one thing he gets right... training that involves escalation of force. This is very wise. Knowing when it's appropriate to verbally challenge someone, when to get your gun out, and when to shoot, are necessary skills.
It's comical that has to be pointed out.
I'm not watching your video I'm watching his you know how that works right? I didn't come here to get information from you I came here to get information from the video he has evidence for what he is saying and you just said one thing he got right he got everything in this video right you're one of those people that just simply like to argue with somebody and that's a mighty Goofy name and picture that you picked for your RUclips judging from that I wouldn't want much information from you at all
@@Glory_inthe_3rd77 2 years and I stand by every word I said. Be a chucklehead if you want. By all means follow this guy's terrible advice.
For God's sake, don't chase criminals. If they flee, let them go. The mere fact that he brings this up appears to taught this as sound advice. It's dumb, don't do it.
Yeah plenty states will prosecute you for that. Forensics and ballistics tell the truth
But why would you anyway? If they're running away you won right? Isn't that the objective? The reason courts look badly on it is because it wasn't necessary. If someone tries to f*ck you over and you end up on top - don't be a dick - they failed...
@@MattRiddell well imagine if some dirtbag robber accidently killed one of your family member then flees while you are armed and has a good shot. I'm just saying it really incentivise people to choose violence, blood lust and revenge can drive people to do things.
@@meatykyun5981 Bro, obviously that's different - you're straight up going to jail for it, but I can'y argue I may choose the same option. I'd hope that I had the fortitude to incapacitate and rely on mates once he gets to prison but yeah I get what you're saying. It's hard as a man to block off those primal instincts and the society we live in will punish you if you fail to do so. I primarily shoot a glock and I'm pretty happy with it.
@@meatykyun5981 Oh and by the way, before you give me shit for using a polymer weapon, obviously as a programmer I can't lift anything heavier 😂 Have a good day/night bro wherever you're at
One super important fact is how much you can carry in your weapon because each shot fired increases your chances of winning and also let’s not forget people will miss shots even if they are close
I'd be more interested in seeing the study of failed attempts of personal protection, as it would probably teach a lot more.
Thank you
Can I get an AMEN
The #1 lesson to keep in mind is to not draw from the drop, unless you're absolutely sure that the other guy will pull the trigger, in which case it wouldn't matter and you wouldn't lose anything by trying your best.
Indeed. This video has some points but it very likely suffers from survivorship bias.
This video reminds me of the story about how the Air Force wanted to improve their bomber's survival rate during WWII. They looked at all the planes that returned and fortified the areas where they saw the most damage. What they failed to realize is that they needed to study the planes that did not come back as those were the ones that where being hit in critical areas. In this video, we are studying the successful cases of self defense when in reality, you should be looking at the failed cases of self defense to prevent those failures. If the odds of you crashing your car is 1%, do you wear your seatbelt 1% of the time? Or do you wear your seatbelt 100% of the time to be prepared for the 1% chance it goes wrong.
Good points ! I was face with a situation several days ago were a man with road rage got out of his truck and headed towards my car , as he approached I sternly shook my head with pure confidence “ don’t do it !!! “. My Glock was right there in its holster ready for draw and I was prepared mentally that if he came and tried busting my window and attacking me then I was committed to do what I had to do to protect my life and property . I always carry a round in the chamber and pistol in the holster for this very reason , you don’t need to ad layers to a high stress situation. I thank God that man turned around and got back in his truck , the life he saved was his own that day . I pray I’m never in a situation where I have to pull and take action but if need be I will ! After I got home I had to reflect and I asked myself “ would you have fired if he came in your car ? “ and I answered “yes and until the threat was over “ . If you are going to have a gun and or carry as I do ( I have my CCW permit and carry insurance). Then you must confront the very fact that you may actually have to use the damn thing and cause someone else to no longer be here, I think this is a very important part of training and a necessary mindset for you coming out alive in an attack .
Godspeed 😁✌️🇺🇸
Could you have just driven away. More than half the time that's all you need to do. Unfortunately people tend get the deer in the headlights mindset and think they have to stay and fight it out. Your right, if you carry a gun you need to get your mind around the f
Amen! I've been preaching situational awareness and avoiding/evading for years. Nobody wants to hear it. I guess it's more fun to buy expensive toys and imagine you're a superhero or a militia commander leading an assault on Area 51 and FEMA HQ. So frustrating.
One legit reason to stockpile ammo isn't because of a prolonged firefight with hoards of murderous have-nots, but rather the very certain, imminent possibility of ammunition bans and restricted sales. (I'm not smart enough to know if 100 or 10,000 rounds of my favorite caliber would be enough to last me, my children and grandchildren through that unholy experiment.)
Thanks for your rational explanation of real world self defence!
It is absolutely more fun to imagine you're Rambo than to acknowledge the reality that nobody cares about you outside your small circle of F&Fs . Nobody makes superhero movies about guys who try to accomplish their mission _without_ shooting anyone.
Also let's not forget about the ammo shortages like the one we saw in 2020.
Regarding 3:52: The fact that a majority of successful self defense shootings involved smaller caliber guns IN NO WAY supports the narrator's opinion that this means smaller caliber guns (9 mm, .38, .380 etc.) are better for self defense than .40 or .45 caliber weapons. Those results merely align with the fact that the majority of people have smaller caliber weapons.
That’s an excellent point, but we could conclude that most people have smaller caliber at this time because it’s well known that using modern defensive ammo, 9 mm is just as effective as 40 and 45. What’s funny is most people probably also have 9 mm as a caliber of choice so they can have the higher capacity magazines that this guy also concludes are unnecessary.
even if only three required reloading that still means you need to train and be reado for it. that's just one example but as long as it happens ones that means it could happen to you.
One thing not enough civilians really consider is that your priorities in one of these scenarios are different than a cop/servicemember's. Their job is to END the threat. Your job is to get you/yours out of danger.
He also only analyzed only successful situations. I feel like it's a safe assumption that incidents that required a reload had a much lower probability of a successful outcome. A useful statistic to look at would be how many were unsuccessful where having an additional magazine or a higher capacity magazine would have potentially made a difference. So many mistakes in this video on how to properly analyze data and draw conclusions.
@@OtherSarah2 i'm gonna fucking end the threat, if I'm using deadly force. Your advice isn't just bad, it's borerline illegal.
Why in the hell would anybody choose a 454 or a 500 Smith & Wesson Magnum for a self-defense weapon what the hell am I doing going in out to Alaska where I got to worry about getting attacked by a bear.
This is a pretty decent video, despite the obvious survivorship bias problem. The NUMBER ONE skill is avoidance. Period. I get that you can't avoid someone coming into your home. But you can avoid being at a given business at a given time if you aren't its employee. For most situations, the single most important skill is avoidance. Or "aviod" as this video shows.
Secondly is de-escalation, where possible. If you're in a business and a dude comes in with a gun, obviously you're past de-escalation and you skip straight to draw and challenge (or initiate "proactive defense") .
But just because these steps might not apply, this should still be first if possible to apply them.
In Texas this year there was a large crew of 5, I believe, that were mostly dead after attempting a home invasion that was successfully defended by a sole occupant. There is always a prepare for the worst case scenario but you have to be rational about the chances of that happening and I believe this was one of those cases.
I updated after finding article. It was 5 not 7 and 3 died 2 injured. Occurred January 21, 2019
Great point.
I never heard anyone say I wish I had less ammunition.
It happened about 5 blocks from me. Dude had an AK. The intruders never stood a chance
@bali song a 7.62x39 wont go through 4 houses
@@stever8776 heard it once from the guy stuck with the SAW carrying his own ammo. ;)
@@G5Hohn SAW gunners only hated their ammo until they started using it
I think these statistics are a prime example of survivorship bias. While you make some good points, this doesn't include the failures of self defense in which some of the points like having a weapon on you or speed reloading or having enough ammunition was a factor.
Exactly Right. Examining the successful incidents is exactly wrong and prone to survivorship bias is the perfectly apt term. The classic example is the case of the WW2 bombers and those who came back with battle damage. They didn't reinforce the areas that had battle damage, but the other areas precisely because if the plane made it home damaged in those areas, it must have been damage in the OTHER areas that caused the plane not to make it home.
Very true. But there is some value in knowing what worked.
@sheparddog117 I don’t think you can get reliable statistics on a failed self defense effort. I think the better approach is “case studies “ line John at ASP does. Certain themes like “never draw on a drawn gun” will become clear.
"Damn I have too much ammo and magazines" said no one ever once the shooting started.
Exactly.
Honestly, when I'm conceal carrying I like to conceal 1 extra magazine just in case of the super rare instance I have some kind of weird malfunction. Also, on my carry side my firearm and attached mag are subject to a good amount of heat and sweat / bad humidity in the summer which has been known to cause missfires due to faulty primers, even with the special so called "sealed" primer charges like the federal LE-HST's. I usually won't rotate my loaded magazine except for once a year unless something crazy happens like I fall into the water or who knows what but with my concealed extra mag I regularly rotate it when going to the range or trying out new ammo or even when going camping and small game hunting.... I know I have the method backwards but it's just what I do and while agreeing with the majority of points in the video, the extra mags do serve a legitimate purpose.
dude please continue making more videos, you're amazing, theres a crap ton of market in this niche, and you could honestly make this a living. make more, you're amazing
100% agree!
Lol till you see the dumpster fire he just put out about AR15's
@@OIR339 it's true.
Agreed, it looks like the AR video is gone, i hope YT didn't knock it off for mentioning a certain incident in a certain gambling city
This is a shit channel with awful opinions and advice
I'm not going to prepare for what is likely, the whole point of preparing for a self defense scenario is preparing for the worst.
"I'm not going to prepare for what is likely,"
Better always wear a helmet for those UNLIKELY meteor strikes.
@@marco_marks that's a straw man and you know it. Firstly, meteor strikes are far less likely than protracted gun fights, and secondly, a helmet certainly would not save you from a meteor strike, whereas a spare mag might save you in a firefight.
This doesn't take into account, the 500,000-3,000,000 defensive firearms uses, that the 2013 cdc report found.
This freaking guy. He presents all this data as the average minimum effective requirement, so that’s what you should use. Since you’ve worked in most of the time… You should never have a reason or justification to carry a bigger caliber, a bigger, gun, more ammo, or store large quantities of ammo. Get out of here. When able I don’t choose to defend myself with the bare minimum when I can have an overwhelming advantage, which also covers down some on Murphy’s Law.
I agree with you.
In my experience I have managed on two different occasions to have an assailant leave my house showing to him my gun, 38 special short barrel revolver, and telling him that I'm going to use it against him if he does not leave. On no occasion did I have to shoot, and I know how to do it well.
Your house was broken into _twice?_ Where do you live?
@@deusexaethera At that time, 30 years ago, I lived in a very bad neighborhood, to tell it in some way. Now I have my house in a much better place :)
@@oscargustavoarcosruiz8793: Oh good.
The guys with the arm tattoos that used to pack lunches for seal team 3 won't agree with this.
I think it's spot on and refreshingly rational.
Carry what you can shoot. A 22lr center mass is more effective than a 45acp that misses the target
P320 in 40 cal is my preferred choice, but it also gives you the option to switch over to 9mm and 357 sig with a different magazine and slide/barrel combo. Giving me the option of using at least 3 different rounds in case of one of the ammo being hard to find.
"P320 in 40 cal is my preferred choice, but it also gives you the option to switch over to 9mm and 357 sig with a different magazine and slide/barrel combo."
No. You can only switch between .40SW and .357Sig (with barrel swap) NOT 9mm.
"Dieing from wounds or immediately fleeing are the two most common responses criminals have to getting shot." 💀 💀 💀
I bought an AR for self defense. Tell me why I'm wrong, I dare ya
The whole principle of 2A is not for only self defense, it's to safeguard from tyrannical forces, by that logic you can never have enough ammo and ammo capacity
5,000 entries out of the over 3 million a year self-defense shootings sounds like he's cherry-picking incidents that help his theories.
No such thing as a high capacity magazine. They are just called magazines, bbq sauce buckaroo.
Exactly! I am so bloody sick of agenda driven narratives.
Brought to you by Bloomberg no doubt
AWESOMENESS but I'll still carry my 10mm nuke with 20 extra mags .
Amen. My 45 needs lots of ready food.
@Bart Roberts lawyers belong in a deep ocean where my guns went in the great boating accident of 2006.
NAILED IT, its no such thing as to much ammo.
The best self defense weapon is the on you have with you. If it's too big to carry, it will do you no good if you leave you at home.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
@ライナー 🙄
This video actually seems legit. Can never tell with this guy...
As legit as it mostly is, his whole point is to only troll the gun community. He is using some facts to try to back up what he think to be true. Like how someone trains or would react.
Stockpiling ammunition does not mean that you are expecting to be fighting multiple people. stockpiling ammo means there will be a shortage of ammunition and to keep ammunition around a person will buy a lot of it so if the case of it going out of stock, they will have rounds to use. multiple magazines does not mean the person needs multiple magazines to defend him or her self what it does mean is that they have multiple opportunities to reload if they need to. Having a high capacity magazine depending on the situation may be needed. Also defending yourself does not always mean the person is defending themselves from a human being, so I also take that into consideration. But most of the time shooting a shot at one individual, if that individual is flaky and scared that will stop the attack, but in case of an individual that is already shooting at you with the intent to kill you ,having having more rounds in the chamber is a good thing ,you having a magazine with at least 13 or better rounds inside of it would also be a better chance against you surviving the outcome if your shot placement is good, but this is also situational and can be overruled in other cases . But it is better safe than sorry. Also the most deadliest gun is a shotgun gun. At good range it a no miss and almost always a instant kill if you use buck shot. Now the thing about having a gun will most likely scare most attackers away, this is true cause most attackers want victims not fighters. The smaller caliber thing is true , but with the smaller caliber people shoot until magazines are empty, also most of your small conceal weapons have about 6 to 8 rounds. Now with new firearms coming out it is double that . But smaller the gun lower the amount of rounds.
“NRA Certified” Okay, well he just lost allllll credibility.
Yea that's embarrassing
Why? The NRA training programs are actually one of the things the organization does *right*
You’ve got to remember, the NRA is more than just the political lobbying wing of the org.
Going to be fun watching people make arguments against things you did not say in the video :)
There's plenty to criticize with what he DID say.
@@mustangkrillin - Maybe so doesn't change the fact that most people end up arguing something he did not say because they don't care to listen properly before projecting their personal offenses onto the video.....
@@paintballthieupwns Magdumping tacticool neckbeards that dont want to believe that the 15k worth of gear and irrelevant training they got wont matter for anything when shtf.
@@mustangkrillin Please start the conversation. Personally, he is echoing conclusions that I have come to from my own research and personal defensive needs. I would enjoy hearing your take on what we've concluded in error.
With that being said.
@Rational Preps Loved the video. I appreciate someone going through the trouble to produce videos that educate people on firearms from a fact based and informative manner. Thank you again, and I join the chorus of people encouraging you to keep doing what you're doing.
@@SweetnLulz I posted all the things he got wrong. The data he used is not the issue. It's the conclusions he reaches. A lot of false bullshit that most people who have had a reasonable amount of training can verify.
There's some good info here and a lot of bad, so upon rewatching this, i decided to do several comments instead of one long one. One thing this video gets right is the quality of information used. The source isn't the issue, it's the bizarre conclusions reached that have no basis in reality or common sense.
Yeah, something about the conclusions didn't seem right to me, but I couldn't put my thumb on it.
I think I read all your comments. Thanks for posting them.
@@mercifulone7065 I spent WAY too much time on it but I'm glad someone appreciated it.
@@mustangkrillin haha, thx again for your time :)
The person who made the video is a tight ass. That's the issue. He uses the law as a beating stick, instead of fighting for the individual.
It's lawyer nonsense. Of which to an extent of course he's right. Good people get screwed over all the time. He just "glorifies" it by exposing the innocently incarcerated.
You make the absolute best fact based videos. Please continue to educate the wannabe tactical operators out there.
Finally!!!!! Dude I was so pumped to see a new video from ya, and it's a SIIIIIICK one. Terrific voice, excellent production and I love all the solid and backed up info. Please make more, lots more. Thanks man, have a good one =)
Train as though you We’re going to be in the worst possible scenario you could think of. You don’t under train yourself. you over train yourself. you over prepare. Being under prepared likely will end in tragedy. You train to win against any odds. Remember just because the statistics maybe accurate, does not mean that is the situation that you will run into. Maybe you will be the one who has to reload, maybe you will be the one that needs the extra magazine, maybe you will be the one in the circumstance where the criminal will not flee after being shot. train as though you needed every skill in the book not just one or two.
I carry a Ruger LCP max with a 12rd mag in the gun, and one spare 12rd mag, loaded with 380+P XTP. And it comes with night sights. That's 25rds of ammo that is slightly less powerful than 9mm para.
In a gun that is truly small and which only weighs 15oz fully loaded.
You need high capacity magazines to fight a tyrannical government
Ah yes, everyone's favorite anti-gun propagandist masquerading as a "rational prepper". Let's see what he insinuates. (My response in brackets.)
1. Small caliber hand guns "Instantly Kill" on the first shot 30% of the time. (Gross exaggeration. They might kill in one shot 30% of the time but that doesn't mean that it is "instant")
2. Don't carry, even where legal because you can't always carry. (This makes no sense. Carry when you can.)
3. Don't carry at home because most people don't carry at home. (It will always be faster to deploy your gun if you are wearing it. Most people don't wear it at home because it isn't comfortable. Regardless it should be easily accessible.)
4. Don't use a rifle because rifles aren't used often. (If you want one shot instant kills like was mentioned in #1 a rifle is better then a hand gun.)
5. Don't use a high capacity gun because most defense shootings are 1 or two shots. (Most, not all. If you have a 6 shot revolver and for some reason you didn't kill all the bad guys after the sixth shot now you are really up shit creek aren't you?)
6. Don't have a spare mag. (If you don't need it, you don't have to use it. Doesn't hurt to have it. It's kind of like saying don't have a rainy day fund because you probably won't need it. It's just dumb.)
7. Don't stockpile ammunition. (Stockpiling is just common sense. You should be practicing, so you will use some ammo up on an ongoing basis. I don't know if anyone noticed but there has been an ammo shortage for a couple of years now. Can't practice without ammo. If/when you can find ammo, prices keep going up due to government induced inflation, so ammo purchased in the future will most likely cost more then ammo purchased today. Almost like ammo purchased today, or hell five years ago, is a good investment. Also, if the S ever does HTF might not hurt to have a little extra ammo lying around no?)
8. Mindset and Situational Awareness are more important then equipment. (This I agree with. However I would add being proficient with your weapon, which means you need to practice, which means you need ammo, which means you should have at least a small stockpile. See above.)
Mainly what he is doing is assuming that if something was statistically frequent that it is optimal, then expecting you to believe him. This is just asinine. When your life or families life is on the line being just barely adequately prepared for the most frequent encounter is just stupid.
This guy is a turd and judging by the production value, a very well funded (as in backed by an anti gun group or government) turd.
You can tell his bias by use of language as well. 72% is "only" and 28% is "whopping"? My math may be a little rough, but I'm pretty sure those descriptions should be reversed.
Excellent presentation, thank you! I'll be sharing this.
These videos give me brain damage
Your datapoints are over 20 years old, try getting new ones.
@Thomas Foster Yes he said the WEBSITE gets updated, the numbers he is using in the VIDEO are from the old survey, follow the link in the description.
CARRY WHATEVER YOU KNOW YOURE COMFORTABLE SHOOTING.... WHETHER ITS A .22 OR A S&W 500.... IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN QUICKLY WHIP IT OUT AND GET A ROUND OR 2 TO YOUR TARGET WITHOUT ANY HESITATION....MORE POWER
TO YOU. TRAINING IS THE UTMOST KEY TO THESE SITUATIONS.
poor mans' Sam Elliott ~ voice over: CHECK
One of the points I don't necessarily disagree with, but I will certainly not follow, is the one about "If you can avoid killing an intruder, do it". Nope. If you come to my house, uninvited, with ill intent, I'm not shooting to defend myself, I'm shooting to kill you. If I put a bullet in your chest and the threat is neutralized, and you're lying on the floor, in a puddle of your own blood, I'll shoot you again and you'll stop breathing, and I will deal with any and all legal consequences from this point on. A scenario where you come into my home, threaten my life and are then taken to a hospital, and later a courtroom, alive, does not exist. You have signed your death sentence. I want anyone who knows about your criminal activities, your family, your associates, to know that you are playing Russian Roulette by doing what you do. And if they have any bright ideas of trying anything like that, they know what's waiting for them. If you fail, not getting my stuff or getting into legal trouble is not gonna be a problem for you, you won't live to where it will be a problem.
And I will stand in front of any judge or jury, hell, I will stand in front of God himself, if he exists, and I will admit this with a clean conscience.
When dealing with criminals, you need to understand their mentality, instead of doing what most people do and taking out your brain and placing it into another person's head. These people are persuaded by strength, dominance and the fear of death. They have a "path of least resistance" mindset. There are very few Joker-like nutjobs who will purposely try to rob houses that are more difficult to rob. Most will try and attack softer targets. When you let potential intruders know that they will be shot, and any survivors will be shot again, you can consider yourself crossed off the "desirable target" list.
Same goes for people who are mugged at knifepoint and then shoot their mugger in the back. It's not about the cash and phone. It's about the fact that, if that criminal gets away, well, now you have an empowered criminal who thinks they can pull that stuff off again. And again. And again. If they're killed, their fellow muggers know that maybe this isn't as risk-free as previously thought, the self-preservation switch in their brain will be on. Laws are meant for civilized people who will follow them. We're talking about extremely animalistic human beings who haven't evolved past a caveman mentality. Trying to reason with them or showing mercy is like trying to reason with a wild beast. If they were that smart and civilized, they wouldn't be in your house, trying to kill you. I'm talking about the night time burglars, the ones who aren't waiting around for you to leave your house and then steal your stuff when you're not there. I'm talking about the violent monsters who have the unimaginable gall to come to your home, knowing full well you and/or your loved ones are there. These people are ready to spill blood and take lives. They have the full intention to be a threat not only to your belongings, but to your health and life. That kind of individual voids their right to live.
I agree to a point. If someone has the balls to break into my house, knowing that I am home, I'm going to assume he is a deadly threat. In that case I will most likely open fire immediately. On the other hand, I have no intention of going to prison, so there can be a fine line to walk.
@@Life_Is_Torture0000 Due to castle doctrine laws, it's extremely unlikely you'll go to jail for shooting an armed individual who broke into your home, and finishing them off once they were neutralized. A hefty fine is a more likely outcome of that scenario. And even with the scenario of shooting a mugger in the back, if you have no prior convictions, you'll be outta there for good behavior on parole in no time. You're not going to waste 20 years of your life behind bars. I have friends and relatives in law, I've asked them about scenarios like that, it depends from state to state. I'm talking (albeit off the top of my head) about the more pro-gun places.
Shooting targets at 25 yards at the range is not because you expect to defend yourself from that distance. You do it so you can hit targets much closer easily. If I can hit a dinner plate at 50 yards reliably, then I can certainly hit it at 3 yards under stress. your videos seem less focused on reality and more on crapping on ideas you just don't like.
chill out man. the point he's making is that type of training alone isn't sufficient because not all defensive scenarios will have a static target at 25 yards while you are standing in a perfect shooter's pose. He even showed a video of that off duty cop in brazil needing to shoot behind him while sitting in his car. But somehow you think that's less focused on reality? That's about as real as it can get
You need to train under stress to shoot ok under stress. Try running some distance or a few burpees to speed up your pulse. If you end up in real firefight you probably will not be in ideal conditions calm and prepared
6:36 How it goes down in South Africa 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
South Africa would make a good case-study. Violent as that place is, we could learn a lot.
You are one of the few who makes sense
This guy is a bad joke. The voice is like the movie trailer guy.
We all have a plan, until the first round wizzes by your head. Than it’s just a mosh pit with lethal consequences
Shooting starts and everybody dives for something to hide in, behind or under and pukes lead until someone runs away.
But ,but, but , if I don't train to shoot at 50 yards, am able to reload lightning fast, carry multiple guns, knives, extra mags, flashlight, body armor, etc. whatever will I do when a car pulls up beside me and it turns out to be seal team 6 asking me to lend a helping hand?
I’m a truck driver. I may or may not have a pistol in my truck. That’s the thing, people don’t know. Bad guys know their target may have a weapon, so they bring their guns. Now it’s gun vs gun. I don’t want to shoot anybody, at all.
When defending a property (your home) your firearm concern is less about what kind of weapon and more about how many people can defend it at once. Thousands of hours of doorbell camera footage attest that most armed robberies are done by multiple assailants. If you live in a normal house you have multiple doors to watch.
Not everyone can use an MSR or shotgun. But even a nine year old child or ninety year old grandparent can use a .22 pistol.
HA!!! Jokes on you! I've been carrying all magazines! No gun! Ha!!! J/K Great Video!
I’d always go with a 9mm or a 45 acp for pistols or 12 gauge for home defense and 308 against multiple invaders.
I'll finish with one last positive note. Situational awareness and a mindset of being willing to fight are important aspects that often go ignored. However, a lot of this bs should be ignored and frankly this video very well illustrates why you should be careful of who you take firearms advice from.
Still a good idea to carry a gun when you can and to have extra ammo just in case a wrol situation will be different than the scenarios in this study. As far as big bore calibers 9mm if what I carry except for in the woods where I may run into large aggressive animals and for that I carry a 10mm because I can shoot it more accurately than a 44 and it has more rounds. I do agree with you that situational awareness is the most important thing but telling people they don't need to carry a gun on them at all times and they don't need to carry extra mags because they aren't as likely to use them is dumb because shit happens that is out of the norm sometimes. Also there was guy who stopped a mass shooting this past year by shooting the attacker 40 yards away.
I have to wonder how successful Mr Shotgun would have killed with a handgun. He’d have taken more than three shots.
Much more better when twelve people judge than four carry.
did your "five-year study" include smoking weed ?
The statistics he quoted we’re not taken from a shit hit the fan scenario. During a shit hit the fan scenario there will be more mobs than a couple of guys coming to your house. So far I have been very unimpressed with this channel. The AR 15 video was 100% garbage.
100% anti-gun propaganda
Did you actually take down the AR15 video? I was hoping for some real discussion on that one!
yeah me too but I would guess it contained too many little mistakes like stamped ars to keep it up like this
Not to mention the fact that all his arguments against the AR were dumb, boomer tier FUDD logic.
It's back in all it's fudd glory
How does this match or apply to the Greenwood Park Mall shooting?
I love the back round music. What’s it called?
Badass gunslinger shit nyuga
Chris Haugen - Tumbleweed texas
I generally scoff at anything "prepper." They strike me as people who sit around collecting guns, ammo, freeze-dried food and tools that they will never use and their heirs will have to dispose of when they die of old age. But your videos are interesting and good. And you cover realistic scenarios that might actually happen sometime.
Yeah, make more videos. You make the flat earthers seem like geniuses! We could use the laughs.
LMAO agreed
basp 2005 That’s a tricky thing to do
0:50 - 482 self defense cases as reported ovr 5 yrs.
6:12 - multiple attackers, 36% of cases had multiple. Most of these had 2 attackers. If there was a 3rd person they were typically the getaway drivr. No cases did drivers help in shootin. If there was 4th man he was most oftn outside as a lookout. 4th person didn't seem 2b armed.
6:52 - largest group in study was gang of 7. Home ownr w/shotgun killd 2, hurt 1, rest ran awy.
7:13 - armd bandits look 4 victims, not a fight.
So here's where he goes off the rails. The majority of shootings do take place at close proximity. However that doesn't mean training static at 21 or more feet is pointless. One, it teaches new shooters important fundamentals. It also requires using the sights, more on that in a minute but i will say people can, and do MISS at 10 feet or less. Think of slow static shooting as learning the basics of driving in a large empty lot, shooting fast and close as driving in traffic and defensive shootings as the Indy 500. You start slow and work your way up.
I never heard him say aim small, miss small was bullshit. What difference is aiming small, missing small at 10 feet, 100 feet, 1000 feet?
I like how he says reload speed reload isnt a real issue.
He make 1,2,3,4,5,6 points at then end....they all made sense.
@@dhardy6654 He specifically said point shooting was the way to go, ie not aiming except by feel or instinct, or not using the sights. His points and logic are well laid out, but that doesn't mean it makes sense. Go back and rewatch the video and read my other comments.
@@mustangkrillin point shooting is the way to go. I drill it at home with a laser and look for a star drawen on my point of aim. I like it because point shooting comes come quick off the draw. I like it because it keeps my left hand free. I like it because my field of vision isnt dominated my a front sight focus and the pistol is low out of field of view. I usually drill it at the range and then come up to a two hand...a two hand makes me feel very squard to a target, very based on the ground...i like how point shooting is more free flowing and dynamic in movement. It makes me look like a differt target to the other guy. I have no problem shooting a 6 inch group at 15 feet with my double action only bodyguard 380. I just want to go out to the woods and shoot a 360 degree and work my feet.
@@dhardy6654 I'm glad you like your terrible technique and results from the terrible technique.
@@mustangkrillin its not range stuff i do...its actual shooting with sub compacts and pocket pistols....almost shooting from my pocket is often my goal. I switch from left to right and back and forth. I shoot a ton of trap when in not messing around with pistols...sometimes i hip shoot trap and bust clays. Natural point of aim is something that can be developed if you work for it.
Is no one else picking up on the voice? This dude isn't even a fudd, he sounds like a 20-30 year-old faking a drawl. This is a disturbing level of try-hard from people you really don't want pulling the wool over your eyes.
You should do a video on 5.7×28 round vs 9mm
This seems like a lot of opinions wrapped in some fact. Just because something is less likely to happen doesn't mean it doesn't happen people should prioritize based on your own personal situation
You gave lots to think about and information.
Where did your AR video go? I agreed with it . As an ex-Ranger, I already concluded with your points. Like your video style.
What shotgun, semi-automatic rifle, rifle, and any other gun do you think a person would need if in a apocalypse situation?
Archmage J He already gave that one.
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@@rbm6184 the one you've got that you're familiar with and can reach in time.
I feel like hes trying to argue that magazines over 7 rounds are useless... 😂 more fuddery... And while I think he makes some decent points, he just uses them to justify fuddery.
His stats bear out that 7+ rounds are rarely required. However, I’d like to have a spare 7 rounder or one 12+ round magazine to boost the confidence level. Adrenaline will be flowing and misses will happen.
@@richardschraf9924 I think as many rounds as can be "on tap" with a reasonable caliber (9mm as at example), in a reasonably sized package is objectively the best way to have your gun set up... Sure you might only have to shoot once, but I don't wanna be shit out of luck if I have to shoot more. Now where you get into the extreme stuff is reloading fast, its not a bad thing to know, but the odds you'll ever use it are so astronomically small, that it doesn't matter if you know how to reload fast. The videos creator is either an extreme fudd, or troll, he warps the facts to fit his own view, this was glaringly obvious in his Ar15 video... In which he outright lied a few times.
Between this video and the AR video, I wonder if they weren’t produced by the government. Perhaps to get folks to stop buying AR’s and to buy smaller calibers with less capacity. This gives their agents the upper hand for the impending gun confiscation. Sorry, but after the last 20 months or so I see a conspiracy under every rock.
@@richardschraf9924 i doubt it... But I cant blame you for thinking that.
I don’t believe he made that case at all. He’s talking about priorities in this video. Prioritizing round count for example may not be as necessary as prioritizing deescalation techniques. Prioritizing draw speed may not be as necessary as prioritizing counter a ambush plan.
Wait so who's says you need a "big bore" to defend yourself? Most people I've heard or talked to recommend 9mm most of the time
I DISAGREE with your conclusion that the low number of rounds fired SUPPORTS the anti gunner's attempts to limit our magazine capacities. It's not that it's ALWAYS necessary, but I don't like having people with no knowledge (the anti gun folks and their ignorant politicians) coming up with arbitrary limitations with no practical knowledge of self defense with a firearm. The idea is to have it when you need it, NOT to need it when you don't have it. Also there is always the scenario where shots are missed (like in rural situations where the stand off distance can be greater). You will STILL need and want the extra round capacity, JUST IN CASE.
This guy sounds legit but the conclusions he draws are as intelligent as something you'd see on CNN
Ok but that's not going to stop me from use hicap mags
With a last name like yours, this comes as no surprise. ;)
3 incidents required reloading. mYtH bUsTeD
No not even close. Again for the 3 that did require reloading, it probably mattered to them that they could reload quickly. Also, while rare, there is a chance that a semiautomatic can malfunction and MAY require a new mag to fix. Now i get it. Every decision should be made on a cost/benefit analysis. But what's the cost of practicing reloading quickly? Not much. What's the cost of carrying an extra mag? Well you're already carrying the gun so... Statistically this is unlikely, but if you NEED it the cost of not doing it could be much more detrimental.
I agree with you in that i usually carry an extra mag for my various pocket pistols. Almost never do i carry an extra mag for my double stacks. That being me and you...it doesnt mean that the data about combat reloads he talks about is wrong. I guess i carry extra single stacks because they are easy to pocket and fast to reaload. When i carry revolvers...maybe 10% of the time ill carry a speed strip.
@@dhardy6654 Then you entirely missed the point about fixing the gun.
@@mustangkrillin i read what you said....i just didnt acknowledge it.
@@dhardy6654 I think you meant "comprehend." You read what i said, you just don't comprehend it.
I got an ar to protect from preppers and magas
in 2023 we have more than one bad guy be prepared and practice know what you have to deal with especially legal
He's retired fudd... licks WLP's boots, and does foreplay with Mariann Hammer on dates.
Thank God because he is an idiot
Excellent points and presentation
The comment section is full of "experts."
Good advice - no qualms
Why didn't he look into mass shootings?
He probably did, but the results would get RP on YT's hit list.
That's a good question. I'd love to see him go into this topic.
While relatively rare, it could still happen anywhere. Mass shootings certainly are not the average incident, which means many of the statistics, averages, etc, might not apply.
Mass shooters are not the average criminal. I think most mass shooters expect to die. So it's hard to count on them fleeing after 1 or 2 shots. Which might necessitate higher capacities & speed reloads.
@@mercifulone7065 Not to mention I don't think he realizes gun owners prepare for the worst.
I have a whole playlist for your videos
It’s called Elmer Fudd
One of the very best firearms self defense videos I've yet to see posted on RUclips. It's where I am on the topic. I confess that I arrived here as much out of economic necessity as from research and training. Might also add that my tax payer paid for training was with .38 Special S&W K-frame revolvers, so that's what I'm most comfortable.
More videos like this would be great, but I'll take quality over quality of videos.
All these people were armed with .454/.45LC/.410 greatest apocalypse gun ever made! (funny, no info on alien invaders.....)
@Jerrod Wertman 😜
My Glock 19 is always within arms reach, always. If I can't solve the situation with 16 rounds of 9mm JHP +p then it should buy me enough time to fight my way to the area I have a Remington 870 and an AR15.