how could they let this happen to our privacy (warnings in the 1960s)
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- The book is Privacy and Freedom by Alan Westin.
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It's funny, we've conflated advertising with data collection and tracking. The two do not have to be combined. For decades, before the internet, there plenty of ads that didn't collect data on you. For instance, television ads, or newspaper ads. So services that have an "ad-free plan"... that doesn't mean they aren't tracking you, it just means they aren't annoying you with ads.
Exactly! The point I was trying to make that might’ve got missed in this final cut was that I would love if companies gave us the option to pay to opt out of tracking. Instead of paying for a product and STILL having them collect all your data
I went down this rabbit hole during my masters degree research. Its even interesting when you get to the history of privacy. Did you guys know that in the roman empire it was normal to go to the bathroom and shit together side by side without any walls at all? Find it very helpful to understand that every civilization has its own privacy perception and rules. I am NOT wanting to justify a lot of exploitation that is really happening. However, we are experiencing a very powerful shift on privacy perceptions and practices and rules in our own era led by techno-market and also governmental activities.
I've heard there were traditions across Europe in the middle ages to bath outside. You take a shallow barrel outside, with a little curtain maybe, and shower with the others. But that's just a small village anyway, in a modern big city I'd never want to do that.
It’s interesting because physical privacy != social privacy. There are a lot of places where you have very little privacy in terms of having your own space or place of refuge, so physically no privacy. But you safeguard yourself by being more reserved and not speaking your mind. It varies sooo much by culture given that different places also have different histories that shape them. This is such a great point, thank you for mentioning it :)
@@bashbunni yes it is ultra-multifaceted and contextual. So hard topic to follow really.
It's no coincidence that all the tech companies are really close geographically to the biggest military industries.
Outstanding. The open source community has been at the vanguard of protecting these rights, and the best things we can do to maintain privacy and freedom is to advocate and use free software everywhere. If you don't run it, you don't own it. Conversely, if you don't run it, it owns you.
snowden revelations should have opened a lot of peoples' eyes. but it didn't
I think it’s also fallen under the radar. I was too young to be paying attention to privacy stuff at that time. So I don’t even know what he detailed there (planning on reading his book though). It’s been 11 years since that stuff came out, but you’re right. We’ve had constant warnings from leaders in the field for decades and no one is listening. It’s pretty devastating. The book I’m reading is from late 1960s-early 1970s… that’s half a century they’ve known this is something to be beware of
@@bashbunni for somebody who runs linux, uses free software and is a dev, you owe it to yourself to learn about what snowden told the world. good on you for educating yourself. also when I was young, we were always told to not put our personal information on the internet. this is where the idea of handles came from. even youtube and google had that policy. now it's almost demanded. AI mania makes this worse because now there's concerns about who is "real" so I imagine soon, we will have to associate our IP with our actual ID to get online. otherwise you won't be able to use all the big name services.
@@bashbunni I think the main takeaway from your last sentence is that the people in power do not have your best interests in mind and never have.
@@levonschaftin3676how is this not obvious to everyone? why do people trust governments/leaders/experts (i'm also thinking about the whole coofid fiasco we're still feeling the effects of)? is everyone just stoned out of their minds?
@@bashbunni I'd recommend the documentary "Citizen4" and doing your own research in the NSA's "Prism" program and "The Patriot Act" that was signed after 9/11.
As well as "The Shadow Brokers" hack and how those zero days lead to WannaCry.
everything we lose comes down to two fallacies: convenience and security
Did this mean a Lot to you before or after reading the book?
was curious about it before reading, but it definitely gave me a better understanding as to why privacy matters
Super cool book, will read it.
I'm sorry everything is icky, but also, thanks for doing the work.
We wouldn't need privacy if we'd live in a perfect world of everyone being the same, having the same opinions and never exploiting parts of what mades us against ourselves. Our world is not like that, you can be shamed even for liking mac'n'cheese tbh lmao It's really weird for me, when someone says: "So what I don't care if everything I do, write, think is exploited by big corporations and government"...
By the way, in France recently 7 people got arrested for using software, that respects their privacy - Tails, Tor, Matrix and Linux. Judge says: "If you care about privacy, you have likely committed a crime"
It totally feels like entities are trying to convince us we’re “overreacting” for being remotely concerned about privacy
we've already lost our privacy since technology arrived. i.e., early smartphones fitted a device inside and was only discovered after decade, laptops with intel ME was already in existence since early 2000s, when most of us still learning how to press a keyboard and scroll a mouse these spywares are already sniffing our butts(not literally)
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Thing is -- well, one of the many things is -- people who have less $$ and can't afford to pay for privacy -- their data is probably less valuable to advertisers.
I don’t agree that their data is less valuable, they would still be the target demographic in certain contexts. It’s just hard to find a one-size-fits-all solution to stuff like this
I love that you're going down the privacy/freedom/security rabbit hole. It's integral to our industry, but at the same time affects everything in the wider world.
Thank you :) I’m really enjoying reading up on these things. I think it’s so so important to touch on
@@bashbunni read about richard stallman if this stuff is interesting to you.
the data you share is nearly impossible to protect from reuse.
Unless it was through a trusted intimidatory that would only allow an amazon, ms, or meta party a generic algorithm that runs on the trusted parties server. The actual data would not be accessible unless during the algo usage.
Just a thought.
Your privacy is an expression of choice. The choice to remain anonymous.
The ability to choose is a hallmark of freedom.
Therefore if you are denied the ability to choose, you aren't free, you're enslaved. #dataSlaves
We’re in so deep 😭
deffo going to read this now
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Fantastic seeing young people with engagement for privacy and freedom!
It’s important to learn from the wisdom of our elders. I’ve always seen previous generations who have seen war and tyranny protect themselves with privacy. It’s sad to feel that right slipping away from us
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I have one on mastodon.social! Username is bashbunni :)
You lost it over 10 years ago.
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