It’s almost like a qb who the best team he played was a hurt Boise st in a Covid year and only put up good numbers when he played fewer games with no fans against no good teams
small ball. I blame the OC as well. A rookie QB is going to be overwhelmed most of the time. They will need to check down a whole lot and rely on the run. The big play capability is just for play action IMO
Something a lot of these rookies (not just Zach) don’t understand is they’re talented, and they have been on the best teams with the best teammates at the best schools their whole career. They’ve been brought up around excellence that’s it no small part contributed by the law of huge numbers. So when they get picked by last years lowest 5 teams they’re suddenly not on the best team and they’re in a league where their talent alone isn’t enough anymore. And they’re faced with the first real time in their careers where they have to get better and improve MANUALLY
or they are just young and the nfl defense is way faster than the college defense and it takes time for some qbs to develope or the right system . alex smith , geno smith , ryan tannehill ,. hell peyton manning , troy aikman sucked there first seasons. cant just give up that quickly sometimes on players , you also have to understand some of them are very early 20s and thee brains are not even fully developed yet
not a jets fan or do i care for zach wilson but when did players become offical busts before two years ? some players take more time to develop than others and lets be real jets havent developed a good qb in decades, some qbs are not in the right systems and the jets systems clearly suck and geno smith is a good example of that , hell brett farve even sucked when he was on the jets, again i wouldnt judge a qbs career so early especially when he hasnt even finished two full seasons yet
It was over for Wilson the second he was asked in a press conference if he felt like he let the defense down and he just said “No.” Even if that’s how he felt, his answer should have been more diplomatic.
As an nfl qb and leader of a franchise esp in New York you shoulder the blame and take blame for things that aren’t even your fault. It’s what a good leader does.
That one answer turned the entire franchise against him, defence was pissed, fans couldn't believe it offensive players complaining about the terrible plays. All he had to say was I needed to play better, etc. If he wasn't a 2nd overall pick, he wouldn't have been given another chance after that game.
Even though his response was ridiculous at least he was honest. Never mind the fact it was delusional but I’m sure a lot of athletes wish they could be more honest.
Yes, I agree. Once a relationship is broken, you can't fix it unless you put in tremendous effort and that would have meant to play so good and to win in order for the teammates to forgive him.
I would add to this that guys coming out of college have to often figure out how to be a great teammate on a team that isn't that great and I think many struggle. It's probably a lot easier to be a good teammate when you are "THE DUDE" on a team that also has had some success. Guys have to also be able to do it when they are just another guy on a mediocre or worse team.
@@timkinley1779 None I could think of, that also falls under them being able to evaluate and choose the right QB to fit their system. They can and do build good talent, just not at the more vital positions.
@@davidv6588 if their offensive coordinator and offensive gameplans are going to be similar to what they are now then that is a really bad idea, because the system now is predicated on fundamental quick game mechanics which is what zach is currently struggling with. better for him to be in somewhere like arizona where it is simple reads and everyone is ready to break off and play backyard ball once the plan breaks down.
They better hurry up and get him out of there before the damage done is too much to reverse. A 3rd season spent in NY would probably be too late (see Sam Darnold).
@@Jay-ci4to On that 4th and 2 when they threw I was hoping it would be a QB power run because that would have given them major momentum. But they threw and...
something as simple as Pat saying “playoff checks” gives more insight into how stuff works in the NFL than most people are aware of. it’s obvious but also not something you consider when teams miss the playoffs
Not really all it takes is knowing about playoff incentives. You people treat pat like some genius when he's just a frat boy who was average at football talking to his buddies that still think he's great.
@@SirRavixofFourhorn word? The insight pat gives us marks is news to us. Reflect on how negative your comment was, about someone who gives 0 thoughts about you. Turn this around brother. Positive vibes!
@@SirRavixofFourhorn i see what you mean that’s why i said it’s obvious, i don’t think he’s einstein. i’m an occasion watcher it’s just something i noticed and found interesting
@@SirRavixofFourhorn Question, why are you here my guy? Look, I used to watch things I hate to make me angry and hate watch all the time. But then I went to therapy and got put on antidepressants!! And buddy, it helped so much. You don’t gotta watch people you hate and spread negativity, you can be happy man!! :))
same, i had a brief moment in my early childhood, meaning 4-5 age range, where they were good, I was instantly hooked on the sport and team. My entire adult life has been nothing but heartache
Look into Zach Wilson’s background and where he went to school and who some of his family are, you’ll realize pretty fast he’s entitled and probably didn’t have to work to hard for his spots on his HS or college roster. Takes zero accountability. He’s a bust because of his character not his athletic ability
He put up good numbers at byu… that wasn’t handed to him… he’s over rated & comes from a incredibly rich family. He just hasn’t had success at the NFL level. He should have never been drafted in the 1st round. Scouts have no clue what they are doing.
@Mitab Praga just checked the Seahawks record today. They started hot but are now 7-8. I'm happy for hum and his hot start. We will see what happens next year but I have my doubts. Truly happy for him having some maturity and success. Also happy Empkali broke that first rounders jaw for not paying him back a measly $500, which is like $15 to me but $5 for a lawn mowing kid without expenses.
@@preussianblau5595 Got to agree re Geno Smith. I never rated him, didn't think he was starter material at NY, most of the time he looked like a rabbit in the headlights. That said he had to deal with the double whammy of being at the Jets and with Wrecks Ryan as HC, which is enough to traumatize anyone. This season, instead of watching him with a bag of popcorn to hand I've mostly been eating humble pie. He's clearly worked hard and trained hard, and I wish him every success.
I think “shined” is a bit of an exaggeration. He underthrew a TE really bad when he was so wide open no one else was on the screen, cost em a TD. He didn’t score once on any of his drives (had opportunities for FGs but went for it 3x, the Jets were desperate ) He looked like Taysom Hill. This isn’t gonna be repeatable, nor consistent. Not a Zach Wilson fan in the slightest but I found it hilarious when he completed a short pass the fans booed him, then Streveler completed a four yard pass and the stadium erupted 😂😂😂
The dude had 25 complete passes in the NFL and came into a game where it was absolutely pouring rain and freezing out. My god, you're such a pathetic sports fan.
The tape had shows in it was Lawrence at 1 and Fields at 2 since they were in high school up to the end of college. Then between that some teams got tricked by a pro day. Not even a film, a pro day
@@maddoxguliani Cool, but once again, ever since HS it was 1. Lawrence 2. Fields. It seems like that's the way it should have gone. Fields is doing great things in Chicago considering his supporting cast. I would love to see what he would be doing with what seems like a really great young team this year in the Jets.
Bruh!! Fields did some tricking oh his own. The man is a gazelle on the football field. But he ain’t no NFL QB. He can run for sure, but he’s thrown for 200 yards only twice this season. His low in passing yards is 71 this season. The dude is straight trash.
@@chrisault2004what are those great things? Not passing for 200 yards? Or passing for 71 yards against Green Bay? He sure can run though. Too bad he’s a QB and not a RB.
It's a Jets QB...the only good one they've picked since Joe Namath was Chad Pennington...and they gave up on him after his shoulder exploded the second time.
1982? LOL One of my few childhood memories: "Mom! The game's not over yet. Why are they switching to stupid Heidi??!!" I was 14 yrs old. Now I'm an old man and still waiting for a second SB appearance.
@@steveguse4481 There's a coda to the story. Years later, when I was working for a 3-letter company, my boss pulled me aside one day, knowing I was a Jets fan. He'd been an intern at NBC in 1968 up north somewhere. Remember, this was pre-computer controls. "I don't admit this to many people," he confided. Turns out he was the guy who actually pulled the switch to make the change! "I remember asking at the time," he recalled, "You sure they wanna do this?"
Watched a video breakdown on him at BYU, and he would never throw a ball where he had to anticipate his player being open, he would always wait until they were wide open before he threw the ball, which doesn't work in the NFL. All the talent in the world can't overcome not knowing when to throw the ball.
@@darnellwilliams8783 what? LOL Justin FIelds stinks. He's a good RB but he's even worse than Wilson at reading a defense. He can only complete passes on a rollout 1st read or a broken coverage. There is a reason they only got 3 wins...and it ain't the "Team around him". Fields had a chance to win the game like 8 times this year in the 4th quarter..he failed...every...single ..time. Yuk.
If he had taken accountability in the post game interview a couple of weeks ago I’m sure that there would be more love for him in the media and public (NY fans will probably still boo cause they have a good team that’s being held back). I hope that he can grow not only as a player but as a person as well
In the same city, Daniel Jones is my quarterback. He hasn't been the best but you've never heard anyone in that organization talk badly about him. And I watch every interview by the Giants
I saw a few series on Thursday. It ain't Zach. The Jets had good intentions getting a legend QB coach for him last year, but he died. You have no one that has developed a QB, nor establish an identity on offense. I saw Zach towards end of half. He converted to 3rd and long plays, he shouldn't have, due to offensive penalties, plus doomed sweep or screen passes, that everyone knew was coming. No run game, inconsistent blocking, receivers dogging it, that could have been completions, or running wrong routes. The intersection at end of half was a hailmerry, due to offensive penalties, and poor play calls. Started 2nd half. He completed first pass, on first play. Then a quick sack, thanks the no blocking, penalties. Sound familiar? If they sit him down. I hope it is to regroup. It is lack of coaching. I think that Zack's present for Christmas this year should of been Braveheart, Patton, or movies of that sort, instead of scooters. They need an offensive coordinator, and find a QB coach.
He was literally the wall that blocked any qb controversy between White/ Streveler and Zach. Thats the only reason Flacco even started week 1. They just didn't want the crowd chanting everyone else's name other then Zachs lol
To be fair the Jags embarrassingly knocked Indy out of the playoffs last year and Indy was way better of a team and the Jags were WAY WORSE of a team. Strev outshined Wilson and the RBs as well. The Jets offense laid a total egg and Wilson is getting all the blame. He clearly has to step it up though but not going to be with jets that's for sure.
@@jasonfocacci9234 He’s lost respect in the locker room after not taking responsibility for his horrible game against the Patriots. He got benched because of it. It’s his attitude that’s gonna cause him to be traded not development but that’s just my opinion.
Pat I think this is spot on. But Mike White wasn’t getting wins. Let’s be honest about it.. their receivers are all rookies or 2nd year guys. 0 pro bowlers on offense. Sometimes they run the wrong routes. Zach wasn’t good, by any stretch. But he also made some huge plays and won them 5 games this year. Zach was part of those wins. Mike White won 1 game against Chicago, that is it.
Mike white came back vs the Vikings on the road and the game winning td was dropped and then got broken in half vs the bills on the road in a tundra throwing twice the yards Zach did at home vs the bills on a nice day.
The offensive system in place now is entirely different than the offensive system from back then. Geno has also been on multiple teams other than the jets and done nothing anywhere except for the Seahawks and I think it's coaching. pete Carroll is an amazing coach and Russ without him has looked bad this season. Geno also has Lockett and Metcalf to throw to
The Quarterback position has become so overblown in importance because of the otherworldly stuff that Peyton, Tom and Aaron did so that protection rules have been implemented which overemphasise QB play. QBs are important, but up until the mid 2000s, teams could win without Top 5 or even Top 10 Quarterback because they were stacked at other positions and had great coaching. Just think of the Jets in 2009/10 who went back-to-back to AFC Championship games. Franchises can be very successful without excellent QBs (see 49ers) and they can fail in spite of great QB talent (see Chargers). Also, QB contracts have been so overblown that the pressure is gigantic on these rookie QBs. Zac Wilson still stinks, but you know.
I feel sorry for the people that listen to Gary vee without recognizing he grew up rich. Kind of like those Elon stans that don't realize his father owned an emerald mine
Fields still has no damn accuracy he was ranked 33rd last ye for accuracy and same thing this year. If the bears get him a couple good recievers I think fields could really turn it up.
@@annetteavery4930 He's young and can get better at that. Wilson was over drafted after 1 good year at BYU. Same with Lance in SF. Kyle outsmarted himself. Justin's resume crushed both of the QBs drafted before him. Lawrence and Fields had been the # 1 or 2 QB since high school. How they didn't get drafted in that order of that draft still baffles TF out of me.
My think is this.. you’re the jets, you have all new staff, first time head coach.. why would you draft a project? Draft the most ready guy in Mac Jones. Idk just a thought.
As I said at the time, the Jets should have kept Darnold and used that pick to build up the team. Probably could have gotten 3 pretty high draft choices for that pick.
My buddy and I were just talking about that at work. He said he couldn't think of a single decent QB on the Jets in his lifetime. Had to remind him about Brett Starve the Poor because he forgot about his Jets stint.
Zach wilson is still a pro caliber qb, in terms of arm talent. The problem with so many nfl scouts picking qbs is that they look at arm talent solely sometimes. You will see this in the 2023 draft too. Will levis has a crazy arm, and if he gets on the right team he will shine, but the odds are slim. Justin fields isn't even that good tbh lol he's just looking the best out of all the qbs drafted with him, along with Lawrence. Lamar was barely a 1st rounder, should of been a 2nd, and won mvp. The scouts are awful at determining qb talent.
The thing with Zach Wilson and the announcers made the point already, it would be one thing if he was drafted way down the line in the draft. He was the #2 overall pick. And what's crazy is you can look at these other guys, forget where Mahomes and Josh Allen, and Lamar were picked. Just the scope of Baker, Trevor, Kyler. Exclude Kyler and his CoD, and just think about it. The yards and scores that can be put up in a game. And then look at Zach Wilson, and how much he really has actually put up recently. After that one week with the Pats, I don't know.
Ive heard comparisons with jamarcus russell.. Russell was famous for not working hard, not being into the preparation at all. From what ive heard wilson is a workaholic. By working really hard he managed to match Jamarcus Russell
One of the core tenets of leadership is accountability (& Wilson has demonstrated clearly he is lacking in that) He needs a new team (& better go there with a transformed attitude) otherwise his career with join the likes of guys like Akili Smith or Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell - a QB with a lot of promise drafted high who ended up being a bust.
Streveler went out there and showed why he's called Streveler the Leveler! Unfortunately, he also went out there and showed that he can't throw a ball over 10 yards.
They were comparing him to Asron Rodgers AND Pat Mahomes.. 😂🤦♂️ I don't even know what games they saw to draw that conclusion, I thought I was starting to have a mental breakdown.
It always kind of baffled me when people considered as one of a great QB prospect coming out of the draft. I never saw him as number 2 pick let alone 2nd rounder.
@@scottchegg828 wilson was polarizing, there were people pre draft who liked it him more than Lawrence and many more people who thought he was vastly below fields
@Scott Chegg alot of people including myself that actually watched BYU and saw him play and understood that he wasn't a first round metrial QB. Many agreed that he should have waited and not declared for the draft. And for the thought that he was supposed to be a top 2 QB competing with Lawrence is a terrible judgement call. He wasn't that complete and had many issues to work out already before he was drafted. The only polarizing thing about him was that he had the potential to be an all around QB. A Swiss army knife. That failed. It was agreed that the two best qbs in the draft that year where Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields.
Not saying it was intentional, but it just seemed like that Jags pass rush was getting to Zach much quicker than usual. I just think the team has no faith in him and that translates to the play on the field. I know it's been talked about a lot, but it's alarming when you go back and look at that BYU schedule of the year he balled out.
I feel sorry for these QB’s that comes through these bottom of the barrel organizations and are expected to fix the titanic mid sinking and everyone starts to hate the QB !!! Damn man give the guy a chance in a better situation!! These guys aren’t bust they just have a much bigger mountain to climb
“No.” When asked if he let the defense down by scoring only 3 points when the defense let up only 3 points. That was the moment Zach Wilson lost his career. No accountability whatsoever.
Strevler played for the Gophers and was absolute hotdog water, good for him he must've put in some serious work I never thought he was a NFL quarterback.
put him as a backup behind a PM, JA, or some other established veteran, see how he grows after a year or 2 and gets another chance to earn a starting job elsewhere with a different team.
He's young, makes a few too many bad QB decisions, and really immature off the field too, but he also hasn't played a whole lot. Some guys take longer to develop, and it's harder when you don't have a bigger dog in the meetings. At this point, he could still be a good or even great starter... or he could be Blaine Gabbert and just never quite get there and be a backup. Baker is in the same situation. Kyler. Drew Lock. They've all shown flashes, but have glaring things to work out and the clock is ticking.
It would be insulting if he continues to get starts when TWICE now his backups have greatly out preformed him. The increase in play from the backup (don’t even remember his name) was night and day compared to Wilson. I think he’s lost the entire team too, for what that’s worth.
Yeah, Hue Jackson called out Baker on Hard Knocks for everyone to see, and then people wondered why Baker had such a problem with Hue Jackson LOL Hue Jackson could've/should've spoken to Baker about that in private. But he knew the cameras were on them and he was constantly playing up to them. Hue Jackson was one of the worst HC's ever, far worse than Nathaniel "can't" Hackett imo
Just shows how decision making and seeing the field quickley is more important than crazy throws on pro day
Every single gm knows this
It’s almost like a qb who the best team he played was a hurt Boise st in a Covid year and only put up good numbers when he played fewer games with no fans against no good teams
small ball. I blame the OC as well. A rookie QB is going to be overwhelmed most of the time. They will need to check down a whole lot and rely on the run. The big play capability is just for play action IMO
Brock Purdy is a perfect example of this.
@@mistahozzy you would think.
Something a lot of these rookies (not just Zach) don’t understand is they’re talented, and they have been on the best teams with the best teammates at the best schools their whole career. They’ve been brought up around excellence that’s it no small part contributed by the law of huge numbers. So when they get picked by last years lowest 5 teams they’re suddenly not on the best team and they’re in a league where their talent alone isn’t enough anymore. And they’re faced with the first real time in their careers where they have to get better and improve MANUALLY
or they are just young and the nfl defense is way faster than the college defense and it takes time for some qbs to develope or the right system . alex smith , geno smith , ryan tannehill ,. hell peyton manning , troy aikman sucked there first seasons. cant just give up that quickly sometimes on players , you also have to understand some of them are very early 20s and thee brains are not even fully developed yet
You sound like Colin cowherd
Yeah but the Jets are loaded w talent on BOTH sides now. Wilson is THE reason they are losing. Mike White was throwing for 300 yards a game.
@@ssjgoat2786
you forgot John Elway
But Zach just su*ks
2 backups have outshined him back to back. Kid is done. Everyone aren't NFL material that's all it really is.
3 if you wana include Flacco starting the season off well
mike white only beat the bears he lost to the vikings and bills
But let’s be honest when have the jets been known for developing quarterbacks
@@ec5018yeah he only lost to 2 of the top 4 teams in football
not a jets fan or do i care for zach wilson but when did players become offical busts before two years ? some players take more time to develop than others and lets be real jets havent developed a good qb in decades, some qbs are not in the right systems and the jets systems clearly suck and geno smith is a good example of that , hell brett farve even sucked when he was on the jets, again i wouldnt judge a qbs career so early especially when he hasnt even finished two full seasons yet
It was over for Wilson the second he was asked in a press conference if he felt like he let the defense down and he just said “No.” Even if that’s how he felt, his answer should have been more diplomatic.
As an nfl qb and leader of a franchise esp in New York you shoulder the blame and take blame for things that aren’t even your fault. It’s what a good leader does.
That one answer turned the entire franchise against him, defence was pissed, fans couldn't believe it offensive players complaining about the terrible plays. All he had to say was I needed to play better, etc. If he wasn't a 2nd overall pick, he wouldn't have been given another chance after that game.
Even though his response was ridiculous at least he was honest. Never mind the fact it was delusional but I’m sure a lot of athletes wish they could be more honest.
Yes, I agree. Once a relationship is broken, you can't fix it unless you put in tremendous effort and that would have meant to play so good and to win in order for the teammates to forgive him.
@@CarlosCastro94360 1000 percent, people always fail to mention that. Dude actually played bad, all-time bad.
When he played for the CFL’s blue bombers we called him Streveler the leveler cuz he trucked dudes everytime he ran for that 1st down
He’s a QB out of BYU. Why is everyone surprised he is a bust….
You ain't lying! Have they produced any good qb's in the past 4 centuries?
@@deweyfinn1497 Steve Young 🤷🏿♂️
Hahahaha I guess Steve Young never went to BYU
@@deweyfinn1497 yeah, Steve Young.
Jim McMahon
I would add to this that guys coming out of college have to often figure out how to be a great teammate on a team that isn't that great and I think many struggle. It's probably a lot easier to be a good teammate when you are "THE DUDE" on a team that also has had some success. Guys have to also be able to do it when they are just another guy on a mediocre or worse team.
I think a recent example for this one is Joe Burrow. One of the main reasons for the resurgence of the Bengals.
Let's not get it confused. Its the Jets. How many QBs (recently) have had any success at that cancerous franchise?
@@timkinley1779 None I could think of, that also falls under them being able to evaluate and choose the right QB to fit their system. They can and do build good talent, just not at the more vital positions.
@@mratl2k3 The 'them' you are referring has been replaced numerous times. Head Coach, GMs and administration is in constant turnover.
@@timkinley1779 That doesn't explain why Wilson has been outplayed by 2nd, 3rd and 4th string Qbs this season. That's gotta be some kind of record
Pat is terrified of ZW coming to Indy 😂
I wouldn't mind seeing if the Pats could fix him. You know Bill is never going to pay the going rate for a good QB.
@@davidv6588 if their offensive coordinator and offensive gameplans are going to be similar to what they are now then that is a really bad idea, because the system now is predicated on fundamental quick game mechanics which is what zach is currently struggling with. better for him to be in somewhere like arizona where it is simple reads and everyone is ready to break off and play backyard ball once the plan breaks down.
@@davidv6588 the pats ain’t fixing nothing on the offensive side of football
AAron to Indy. Washed old whites 4 years in a row.🤣
Pat is right though he aint going to the colts. He'll be in Washington or Atlanta as a backup.
As a Texans fan, Zach Wilson makes me feel thankful for Davis Mills.
It’s about to be Bryce Young time in Houston 👌🏽
Colts trading for Zach is def happening haha
They better hurry up and get him out of there before the damage done is too much to reverse. A 3rd season spent in NY would probably be too late (see Sam Darnold).
How many fifth round picks are they going to give up?
They'd be better off getting Gardner Minshew
They need to draft a qb lol. It’s time.
@@TheeUnknown420 Gonna need at least a 1st for MILF Slayer Minshew. Could you imagine the Eagles with 3 first round picks?
The backup had me yelling Tebow, Tebow, Tebow! 😂 I wish we could hear all the sound on the field.
I swear I thought I was the only one who noticed dude play and look like Tebow, they even have the same number lol
@@Jay-ci4to On that 4th and 2 when they threw I was hoping it would be a QB power run because that would have given them major momentum. But they threw and...
Can you have Strevler for a guest? Would be Awesome!!
🙏🙏 That convo would be so fun!!
LMAO the ending when they said its too cold for a garage sale and the "oh no.." killed me
something as simple as Pat saying “playoff checks” gives more insight into how stuff works in the NFL than most people are aware of. it’s obvious but also not something you consider when teams miss the playoffs
I agree. I had not even considered that angle before.
Not really all it takes is knowing about playoff incentives. You people treat pat like some genius when he's just a frat boy who was average at football talking to his buddies that still think he's great.
@@SirRavixofFourhorn word? The insight pat gives us marks is news to us. Reflect on how negative your comment was, about someone who gives 0 thoughts about you. Turn this around brother. Positive vibes!
@@SirRavixofFourhorn i see what you mean that’s why i said it’s obvious, i don’t think he’s einstein. i’m an occasion watcher it’s just something i noticed and found interesting
@@SirRavixofFourhorn Question, why are you here my guy? Look, I used to watch things I hate to make me angry and hate watch all the time. But then I went to therapy and got put on antidepressants!! And buddy, it helped so much. You don’t gotta watch people you hate and spread negativity, you can be happy man!! :))
Grandma is up from Florida and she said she heard Wilson's going to Indy.
Surely not. I'm thinking one of the 49ers QBs coming to the Colts
Pat describing the job of a pro QB: “…you can’t have any fkups off the field..”
Deshaun Watson: 💅🏾
Yeah and he's made the browns pairahs to the rest of the league
Gary V is exactly how I felt as a Cowboys fan also losing to the Jags last week
same, i had a brief moment in my early childhood, meaning 4-5 age range, where they were good, I was instantly hooked on the sport and team. My entire adult life has been nothing but heartache
Gary v might be the most annoying human being on the planet
😂😂😂
Dak is another Carson wentz
Look into Zach Wilson’s background and where he went to school and who some of his family are, you’ll realize pretty fast he’s entitled and probably didn’t have to work to hard for his spots on his HS or college roster. Takes zero accountability. He’s a bust because of his character not his athletic ability
He put up good numbers at byu… that wasn’t handed to him… he’s over rated & comes from a incredibly rich family. He just hasn’t had success at the NFL level. He should have never been drafted in the 1st round. Scouts have no clue what they are doing.
@@jackwilliams7738he had one good year at BYU during Covid… this is important because BYU did not have to play competition outside of the conference
The New York Jets - where a QB's dreams go to die.
Mark Sanchez has entered the chat
@@preussianblau5595 Geno Smith says hi as well
@Mitab Praga just checked the Seahawks record today. They started hot but are now 7-8. I'm happy for hum and his hot start. We will see what happens next year but I have my doubts.
Truly happy for him having some maturity and success. Also happy Empkali broke that first rounders jaw for not paying him back a measly $500, which is like $15 to me but $5 for a lawn mowing kid without expenses.
@@preussianblau5595 Got to agree re Geno Smith. I never rated him, didn't think he was starter material at NY, most of the time he looked like a rabbit in the headlights. That said he had to deal with the double whammy of being at the Jets and with Wrecks Ryan as HC, which is enough to traumatize anyone. This season, instead of watching him with a bag of popcorn to hand I've mostly been eating humble pie. He's clearly worked hard and trained hard, and I wish him every success.
I think “shined” is a bit of an exaggeration. He underthrew a TE really bad when he was so wide open no one else was on the screen, cost em a TD. He didn’t score once on any of his drives (had opportunities for FGs but went for it 3x, the Jets were desperate ) He looked like Taysom Hill. This isn’t gonna be repeatable, nor consistent.
Not a Zach Wilson fan in the slightest but I found it hilarious when he completed a short pass the fans booed him, then Streveler completed a four yard pass and the stadium erupted 😂😂😂
Straight off the bench tho
Zach Wilson is a bum
Lol for sure. A backup QB from the Canadian league isn’t going to be the answer
The dude had 25 complete passes in the NFL and came into a game where it was absolutely pouring rain and freezing out. My god, you're such a pathetic sports fan.
The 4 stringer had more yards passing and rushing in 1 quarter vs Zach 3 quarters of clowing
“he looks good in blue and white” 🤣🤣
The tape had shows in it was Lawrence at 1 and Fields at 2 since they were in high school up to the end of college. Then between that some teams got tricked by a pro day. Not even a film, a pro day
He was projected number 2 a month before the pro day
@@maddoxguliani Cool, but once again, ever since HS it was 1. Lawrence 2. Fields. It seems like that's the way it should have gone. Fields is doing great things in Chicago considering his supporting cast. I would love to see what he would be doing with what seems like a really great young team this year in the Jets.
Every year, you see mock drafts change between the end of the college season and the draft. GMs that buy the media hype should be fired
Bruh!! Fields did some tricking oh his own. The man is a gazelle on the football field. But he ain’t no NFL QB. He can run for sure, but he’s thrown for 200 yards only twice this season. His low in passing yards is 71 this season. The dude is straight trash.
@@chrisault2004what are those great things? Not passing for 200 yards? Or passing for 71 yards against Green Bay? He sure can run though. Too bad he’s a QB and not a RB.
It's a Jets QB...the only good one they've picked since Joe Namath was Chad Pennington...and they gave up on him after his shoulder exploded the second time.
1982? LOL One of my few childhood memories: "Mom! The game's not over yet. Why are they switching to stupid Heidi??!!" I was 14 yrs old. Now I'm an old man and still waiting for a second SB appearance.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@steveguse4481 There's a coda to the story. Years later, when I was working for a 3-letter company, my boss pulled me aside one day, knowing I was a Jets fan. He'd been an intern at NBC in 1968 up north somewhere. Remember, this was pre-computer controls. "I don't admit this to many people," he confided. Turns out he was the guy who actually pulled the switch to make the change! "I remember asking at the time," he recalled, "You sure they wanna do this?"
Whiffing on Sam Darnold and Wilson is brutal. 2 top picks flaming out like that is so hard to overcome.
Watched a video breakdown on him at BYU, and he would never throw a ball where he had to anticipate his player being open, he would always wait until they were wide open before he threw the ball, which doesn't work in the NFL. All the talent in the world can't overcome not knowing when to throw the ball.
Boy finally realizing you can’t buy a NFL position
AJ its almost like the Jets should've drafted Justin Fields the best QB in that draft and coming out of Ohio State imagine him with that offense
Should of put in Flacco
The jets haven't been good since Pennington and even then they had Pennington. Who was a crybaby
@@darnellwilliams8783 Justin Fields is not the best QB out of that class.. Trevor Lawrence is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best QB in that draft class.
@@darnellwilliams8783 what? LOL Justin FIelds stinks. He's a good RB but he's even worse than Wilson at reading a defense. He can only complete passes on a rollout 1st read or a broken coverage. There is a reason they only got 3 wins...and it ain't the "Team around him". Fields had a chance to win the game like 8 times this year in the 4th quarter..he failed...every...single ..time. Yuk.
I don't understand why he doesn't run more. He will scramble to try and make a throw, but not take off for some easy yards
Because he blew his knee twice. He’s injury prone and sucks in the pocket. Hardly anything you can do with that
If he had taken accountability in the post game interview a couple of weeks ago I’m sure that there would be more love for him in the media and public (NY fans will probably still boo cause they have a good team that’s being held back). I hope that he can grow not only as a player but as a person as well
In the same city, Daniel Jones is my quarterback. He hasn't been the best but you've never heard anyone in that organization talk badly about him. And I watch every interview by the Giants
I saw a few series on Thursday. It ain't Zach. The Jets had good intentions getting a legend QB coach for him last year, but he died. You have no one that has developed a QB, nor establish an identity on offense. I saw Zach towards end of half. He converted to 3rd and long plays, he shouldn't have, due to offensive penalties, plus doomed sweep or screen passes, that everyone knew was coming. No run game, inconsistent blocking, receivers dogging it, that could have been completions, or running wrong routes. The intersection at end of half was a hailmerry, due to offensive penalties, and poor play calls. Started 2nd half. He completed first pass, on first play. Then a quick sack, thanks the no blocking, penalties. Sound familiar? If they sit him down. I hope it is to regroup. It is lack of coaching. I think that Zack's present for Christmas this year should of been Braveheart, Patton, or movies of that sort, instead of scooters. They need an offensive coordinator, and find a QB coach.
Why aren't they using Flacco 🤔
Flaacco is dead food
He was literally the wall that blocked any qb controversy between White/ Streveler and Zach. Thats the only reason Flacco even started week 1. They just didn't want the crowd chanting everyone else's name other then Zachs lol
I hate to see the guy fail like that but damn he's been terrible
Said it from the start, the Jets best chances were when Joe Flacco was starting. But the Jets are a clown organization and it's hilarious.
The thing is the Jets have a good football team and coach.It’s just the QB position again proves to be key.
They can't develop a QB. They have failed the last 4 times. Sanchez, Geno, Claussen and now this guy.
They can't develop a QB. They have failed the last 4 times. Sanchez, Geno, Claussen and now this guy.
Facts, I’ve enjoyed watching them this season but the QB has been poor. But with white playing it was no doubt enjoyable
OC is crap, Oline is crap, and everyone blames the young QB
@ascott6328 the offense puts up points when Mike White is playing.
I also blamed the HC and offensive coordinator to
Went to college with Chris Streveler at USD (go yotes) guys a beast, league better watch out if he gets a chance
Havent missed a snapped since 1982. What a champ gary.
Snap* xD
“Tyrod gets here 6:30”
“Well he should be here 5, cuz that dude sucks!!” 😂
To be fair the Jags embarrassingly knocked Indy out of the playoffs last year and Indy was way better of a team and the Jags were WAY WORSE of a team. Strev outshined Wilson and the RBs as well. The Jets offense laid a total egg and Wilson is getting all the blame. He clearly has to step it up though but not going to be with jets that's for sure.
I called him a BUST from DAY ONE
ive always thought, jets drafted him 2nd just cause of one highlight via combine
giving him the #1 in the jersey swap picture was a nice touch ;D
I believe the Jets will move on from Zach after this season.
They better not. Dude has played in 20 NFL games. That’s less than a season and a half. Give him 5 minutes to develop a little
@@jasonfocacci9234 Ok then sit him for a few years.
@@jasonfocacci9234 He’s lost respect in the locker room after not taking responsibility for his horrible game against the Patriots. He got benched because of it. It’s his attitude that’s gonna cause him to be traded not development but that’s just my opinion.
@@jasonfocacci9234 he’s trash
@@mshell1959 a few years? That’s too long. Maybe the coaches could just call better plays more suited to his skill set instead.
He'll be brought in as a backup for either Kyler or Lamar, calling it now.
Kyler ain’t it either 🤣
The Jets got too impressed watching Zach Wilson throw on air
Pat I think this is spot on. But Mike White wasn’t getting wins. Let’s be honest about it.. their receivers are all rookies or 2nd year guys. 0 pro bowlers on offense. Sometimes they run the wrong routes. Zach wasn’t good, by any stretch. But he also made some huge plays and won them 5 games this year. Zach was part of those wins. Mike White won 1 game against Chicago, that is it.
Mike white came back vs the Vikings on the road and the game winning td was dropped and then got broken in half vs the bills on the road in a tundra throwing twice the yards Zach did at home vs the bills on a nice day.
Now I’m hoping the colts take a chance on Zack Wilson 😂😂
What are they giving up..
AJ quitting smoking cigars lasted like 2 weeks 😂😂😂
Broncos fan here. We’ll take em!
“Shines” is a big overstatement.
Strevler made a couple running plays which the team struggled to do all day.
Jerry Russo would have a heart attack with this Jets team 🤣
Geno Smith was written off to when with jets too. I think some of the blame goes to the jets system
But did anyone expect geno Smith to do what he's doing this yr?
The offensive system in place now is entirely different than the offensive system from back then. Geno has also been on multiple teams other than the jets and done nothing anywhere except for the Seahawks and I think it's coaching. pete Carroll is an amazing coach and Russ without him has looked bad this season. Geno also has Lockett and Metcalf to throw to
Geno Smith fits Carroll’s offense perfectly. It’s not a coincidence Russell Wilson is blowing
@Josh Sloan he's been on other teams not as a starter . Sorry jets are the jets
completely different coaching staff completely different offense do you understand how football works?
This has brought the damn Justin Fields fan boys out of the woodworks.
The Quarterback position has become so overblown in importance because of the otherworldly stuff that Peyton, Tom and Aaron did so that protection rules have been implemented which overemphasise QB play. QBs are important, but up until the mid 2000s, teams could win without Top 5 or even Top 10 Quarterback because they were stacked at other positions and had great coaching. Just think of the Jets in 2009/10 who went back-to-back to AFC Championship games. Franchises can be very successful without excellent QBs (see 49ers) and they can fail in spite of great QB talent (see Chargers). Also, QB contracts have been so overblown that the pressure is gigantic on these rookie QBs. Zac Wilson still stinks, but you know.
Go Bills
Have fun choking it away again early in the playoffs. 👍🤪
I feel sorry for the people that listen to Gary vee without recognizing he grew up rich. Kind of like those Elon stans that don't realize his father owned an emerald mine
Not defending ZW but the O line was giving him next to no time do make any plays all night
conner with the great take as usual
I never thought he would be good. Was really surprised more teams didn't want Justin Fields in that draft!
Agreed, I was so surprised when Fields slipped down the draft. His game against clemson was insane.
Fields still has no damn accuracy he was ranked 33rd last ye for accuracy and same thing this year. If the bears get him a couple good recievers I think fields could really turn it up.
@@annetteavery4930 He's young and can get better at that. Wilson was over drafted after 1 good year at BYU. Same with Lance in SF. Kyle outsmarted himself. Justin's resume crushed both of the QBs drafted before him. Lawrence and Fields had been the # 1 or 2 QB since high school. How they didn't get drafted in that order of that draft still baffles TF out of me.
Fields is average.
My think is this.. you’re the jets, you have all new staff, first time head coach.. why would you draft a project? Draft the most ready guy in Mac Jones. Idk just a thought.
I mean he looks like he’s about 12 and acts like it too, so maybe in about 10 years he’ll be ready to be an adult.
yeah yeah Charger Fan know all about it
Boston Connor with the golden monologue
As I said at the time, the Jets should have kept Darnold and used that pick to build up the team. Probably could have gotten 3 pretty high draft choices for that pick.
Pat. Your wrong. Live in Charlotte. Baker is hated in this city. We wanted him gone!
😂😂😂
5:18 these are the skills that helped Boomer Esiason develop into the hardest worker in America
It’s crazy to me that the best QB the Jets have had in damn near 20 years was an old Brett Favre
My buddy and I were just talking about that at work. He said he couldn't think of a single decent QB on the Jets in his lifetime. Had to remind him about Brett Starve the Poor because he forgot about his Jets stint.
Zach wilson is still a pro caliber qb, in terms of arm talent. The problem with so many nfl scouts picking qbs is that they look at arm talent solely sometimes. You will see this in the 2023 draft too. Will levis has a crazy arm, and if he gets on the right team he will shine, but the odds are slim. Justin fields isn't even that good tbh lol he's just looking the best out of all the qbs drafted with him, along with Lawrence. Lamar was barely a 1st rounder, should of been a 2nd, and won mvp. The scouts are awful at determining qb talent.
Justin Herbert > Joe Burrow > Trevor Lawrence > all other QB’s drafted since 2020
i’ve been saying this since last year… we need to go after gardner minshew!!!!
The thing with Zach Wilson and the announcers made the point already, it would be one thing if he was drafted way down the line in the draft. He was the #2 overall pick. And what's crazy is you can look at these other guys, forget where Mahomes and Josh Allen, and Lamar were picked. Just the scope of Baker, Trevor, Kyler. Exclude Kyler and his CoD, and just think about it. The yards and scores that can be put up in a game. And then look at Zach Wilson, and how much he really has actually put up recently. After that one week with the Pats, I don't know.
Perfect example of why trading away a first round pick isn’t always a train wreck. They don’t always pan out
Ive heard comparisons with jamarcus russell.. Russell was famous for not working hard, not being into the preparation at all. From what ive heard wilson is a workaholic. By working really hard he managed to match Jamarcus Russell
Imagine getting benched for the walmart version of taysom hill
One of the core tenets of leadership is accountability (& Wilson has demonstrated clearly he is lacking in that) He needs a new team (& better go there with a transformed attitude) otherwise his career with join the likes of guys like Akili Smith or Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell - a QB with a lot of promise drafted high who ended up being a bust.
Streveler went out there and showed why he's called Streveler the Leveler! Unfortunately, he also went out there and showed that he can't throw a ball over 10 yards.
I remember how the scouts and every talk show gassed him up for this
They were comparing him to Asron Rodgers AND Pat Mahomes.. 😂🤦♂️ I don't even know what games they saw to draw that conclusion, I thought I was starting to have a mental breakdown.
@@c.t.7289 The Pro Day was it... Biggest April fool's joke ever
Do we ever think it’s the jets that are bad at developing Quarterbacks? This trend is unbelievable lol
They have a quarterback coach and an OC and a head coach. Easy to lay down the rules.
It always kind of baffled me when people considered as one of a great QB prospect coming out of the draft. I never saw him as number 2 pick let alone 2nd rounder.
convenient
@@scottchegg828 wilson was polarizing, there were people pre draft who liked it him more than Lawrence and many more people who thought he was vastly below fields
That's just silly. Most of the analysts were saying he could be the next Pat Mahomes or a total bust.
@@samrosendahl392 But now any thread related to him is littered with "I told you so" hindsight merchants. Some if not most are telling lies.
@Scott Chegg alot of people including myself that actually watched BYU and saw him play and understood that he wasn't a first round metrial QB.
Many agreed that he should have waited and not declared for the draft. And for the thought that he was supposed to be a top 2 QB competing with Lawrence is a terrible judgement call. He wasn't that complete and had many issues to work out already before he was drafted.
The only polarizing thing about him was that he had the potential to be an all around QB. A Swiss army knife. That failed.
It was agreed that the two best qbs in the draft that year where Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields.
Not saying it was intentional, but it just seemed like that Jags pass rush was getting to Zach much quicker than usual. I just think the team has no faith in him and that translates to the play on the field. I know it's been talked about a lot, but it's alarming when you go back and look at that BYU schedule of the year he balled out.
I feel sorry for these QB’s that comes through these bottom of the barrel organizations and are expected to fix the titanic mid sinking and everyone starts to hate the QB !!!
Damn man give the guy a chance in a better situation!! These guys aren’t bust they just have a much bigger mountain to climb
Zach has the best situation of any year 2 qb
This is the best receiving corp the Jets have ever had by a landslide. Just tell us you don't watch the games.
@@BestKingChin ok I can agree cuz y’all fast and young but also after the receivers the team as a whole is trash bruh
“No.” When asked if he let the defense down by scoring only 3 points when the defense let up only 3 points. That was the moment Zach Wilson lost his career. No accountability whatsoever.
the jets not tanking for lawerence will haunt their team for decades to come.
Seeing Mormons fail puts a sparkle in my eye
“Maybe with weapons around him” Breece hall, garret wilson, Elijah more, aren’t apparent to you?
Strevler played for the Gophers and was absolute hotdog water, good for him he must've put in some serious work I never thought he was a NFL quarterback.
put him as a backup behind a PM, JA, or some other established veteran, see how he grows after a year or 2 and gets another chance to earn a starting job elsewhere with a different team.
Love you Gary
Cleveland was ungrateful. Plain and simple
Streveler did not shine lol
Jim Irsay is doing the Birdman hand rub at the thought of trading for Zach Wilson and have a different QB come and ruin our season next year
In his own mind he's great... it's just everyone else minds ain't the same
He's young, makes a few too many bad QB decisions, and really immature off the field too, but he also hasn't played a whole lot. Some guys take longer to develop, and it's harder when you don't have a bigger dog in the meetings. At this point, he could still be a good or even great starter... or he could be Blaine Gabbert and just never quite get there and be a backup. Baker is in the same situation. Kyler. Drew Lock. They've all shown flashes, but have glaring things to work out and the clock is ticking.
It would be insulting if he continues to get starts when TWICE now his backups have greatly out preformed him.
The increase in play from the backup (don’t even remember his name) was night and day compared to Wilson.
I think he’s lost the entire team too, for what that’s worth.
Yeah, Hue Jackson called out Baker on Hard Knocks for everyone to see, and then people wondered why Baker had such a problem with Hue Jackson LOL
Hue Jackson could've/should've spoken to Baker about that in private. But he knew the cameras were on them and he was constantly playing up to them. Hue Jackson was one of the worst HC's ever, far worse than Nathaniel "can't" Hackett imo
NY sports fans are a different breed. They love sports. Haha.
So happy to see Gary V angry
He’s done in New York but he’s the 2 overall pick so he’ll get a chance somewhere else.
weird how it seems none of Zack’s teammates respect him yet he was voted to be a captain by them 🤔