Terrible Referee Decisions Are Fueling NFL Being Rigged Conspiracies?! | Pat McAfee Reacts
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Some of the calls in the chiefs game were just unbelievable. Funny how the head official of that game, Cheffers, was the same guy Kelce said shouldnt even be able to work at a footlocker years ago. No animosity? Riiight
Was he trying to rig the game? It sounds to me like you’re actually insinuating that he was trying to fix it. Is that what you are saying?
@@adamwolsey8589 go back and watch the calls. Cheffers was also the man behind the roughing the passer call with the raiders. Unironically, Cheffers will take any opportunity to try to make the Chiefs lose.
No definitely the game was rigged when the receiver runs into the safety and they flag the defender for illegal contact there’s something wrong
Check the history on Cheffers….2/3 of the games that crew officiates, the underdog covers…..that to large to be a statistical anomaly. Based on the odds, it should be nearly 50/50 over a large sample size. It is not. You could make a killing just always betting the underdog to cover when Cheffers crew is officiating a game, ANY game.
About time the chefs get some bad calls. They seem to always get live at the end of the game
THERE NEEDS TO BE REF PRESS CONFERENCES AFTER EVERY GAME! REF MAKES BIG MISTAKE, THEY GET DISCIPLINED.
They'll just make one statement, "we are human."
“We need to do better”
Let’s hold a conference for your work and industry first and you tell me if it does better?
@@zacharyhughes1114 people don't make millions of dollars worth of bets in our line of work... not everyone else in our industry has to do press conferences besides us... stupid arguement
@@zacharyhughes1114 the players and coaches are required to do them every week and if they are bad they get asked hard questions. The same should go for the refs. Clear bad call, they should have to answer for it. An apology and acknowledgment that they fucked up is a start. We don’t even get that.
If a player has to hear “how does it feel dropping that game winning catch?” or get fined for not going to the press conference then refs should have to hear “what were you looking at when you made that call?”
No greater irony than the softest ppl in the league policing those with actual mental fortitude and accountability. God help this league
“Games aren’t won on the field” Dwight Smith
@@skeezix8156 facts ppl gotta read it. I certainly did after my team lost the sb last year
@vitamin D Jim Joyce the MLB ump spoke after the game he blew the call at 1st and cost the tigers pitcher a perfect game and he admitted he screwed up. NFL refs have no accountability
@@prestoncurry8017 “my team” calm down, you didn’t play lol and I’m a Seahawks fan (goal line Super Bowl again the Patriots)
The bad calls have driven some of us to just quit watching football.
It won't stop until people get smart and stop betting on the NFL
@@blindjustice8718 exactly they don’t care if you watch it as long as you keep betting, these betting organizations own the NFL.
@@blindjustice8718 You have to bet the rig instead of the game itself if that makes sense
@@mikesilva7523 it does. It requires studying the betting lines on high-action games. SB LV is a good modern example. Everyone went heavy on Chiefs / Over. Only way Vegas didn't take a bath was Bucs straight up / Under. Anyone who bet that late in the week would have made bank.
@Bill Field you haven’t watched football in 20 years, but you still watch/comment on NFL related content?
Have we already forgotten the roughing the passer called against Atlanta that has given the Bucs the entire division?
The NFL always wants Tom Brady in the playoffs. "Good for ratings". Its ridiculous.
And there was an even more egregious play to Mahomes in the same fashion but thrown down by his neck and it wasn’t called
But the Bucs also had some absolutely terrible calls against them in the game against 49ers so idk about that narrative… Tom was choked out and had no call lol bengals game too once the Bucs had a nice lead suddenly BS holding calls start coming in. I think the narrative of them just trying to make every game close makes more sense.
yes 🤣
bucs had 10 bad calls against them in this game....
When there is literally billions of dollars involved don’t expect it to be a completely honest company. Think about it
Off-the-record misconduct has always exist. Presuming nonexistence because the proof hasn’t leaked is naïveté.
Yeah it goes deeper than that too. People have supposedly loss their lives over gambling. One of the situations I heard about was MJ’s dad being killed because MJ didn’t throw a game.
@@tdotvy4579 The rumor actually was that Jordan lost millions in a golf game and didn't pay. AND I give that a 15% chance of being true.
@@davidcorelli556 I stand corrected lol. You know how rumors work
@@tdotvy4579 I've heard the one about Jordan's dad before so I'm going with that one lol
With all these sports betting books becoming legal, with all that money moving around. It does feel that games could be rigged, and with a sport like football, all it takes is one or two plays to change the outcome of a game.
My guess is, it could be a Tim Donaghy situation (infamous NFL ref who rigged games for the mob) I don't think the VAST majority of refs are rigging things, but it wouldn't surprise me if one or two (looking at you Carl Cheffers) are keeping things close for some high profile bettors.
There are a good deal of former players who even say it's rigged. I'm not saying that I think it is, but . . . when the athletes themselves think some shady business is going down . . . You have to wonder.
Ain’t could be …. It is , sadly 💯
same happens with real football (what you gringos call soccer), betting is so infiltrated in the sport that you can't trust what you are watching
online sports betting has grown exponentially past 3 years. Billions and billions of dollars-possibly 10's of billions made since 2020 alone. Wouldn't be too surprising. The timeline fits perfectly.
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The Vikings game was crazy. When they called it not a fumble because the player was already down & the ball carrier had the ball knocked out when he was standing straight up? I was like WTF?
If the official had sounded a whistle, correctly or not ruling forward progress had stopped, since players are supposed to be conditioned to stop play on a whistle, then the play ends.
You can't take it back. There's only one thing to do.
"Carry on bravely."
What's your point? People think the game was rigged because of all the calls against the Vikings, others think it was rigged because the Vikings came back to win. Just seems like people selectively choose "evidence" to support whatever they want to believe
@@TheJester-ct5pi it was rigged.
refs need to be investigated immediately
The book makers were in the 90's. They have planted refs
Why just stop with the refs? If there was ever a real investigation of every institution in this country, then you might get some inkling how rotten the whole mess is.
More than that, the guys who order them those wrong call and non calls.
Whenever there’s money involved, there always something fishy going on.
nailed it
Absolutely, and a lot of people seem to be naive to that
The sportsbetting companies are deep into the operations of all major sporting leagues. If the players aren't in on it, then you have to look at the coaches and refs.
I think it's also kind of odd that the majority of bets on NFL rushing leader for the year was on Saquan Barkley and now in the last 4 games he only gets about10 to 15 touches a game. Went from 1st to 4th place in rushing leaders.
This is what happens when you are promoting online gambling
👍🏼
Then you have to come run damage control for the league.
Right I hadnt thought of that. Now its not just "my team didnt win on that missed call". Its " I lost a big wad of cash on that missed call" Online gambling is going to become a very bad thing before long
In my opinion sports gambling the way it is now is ruining the passion and integrity of the game. It’s all about $$$.. hey my favorite team lost but I still won some money! Yayyy!!
Gambling has made all sports completely junk to watch. Legalized gambling
It’s rigged no doubt, big difference since sports betting has been legalized
Nah just bad reffing. You can't rig a double doinker field goal or a one handed catch on 4th and 18. There's just way too many oddities for games to be rigged. Most of the bad calls don't even change the outcome of the bets
Magnetic gloves are real look it up, magnetic goal posts like magnetic balls and hoops in nba
@@smokeybandit1596 it's all fixed by the numbers an they ensure the outcome by using technology. Look up gematria effect sports
@@JimBowSlice …….bingo! Guys that think games aren’t rigged r so loss. Entertainment has been rigged since the Roman coliseum days😂
@@icebergslim3743 facts... Just the fact sports betting is legale leaves to much money on table for them to leave it to chance...
Cheffers basically dropped a yellow flag on every third down of the Chiefs game, and depending on the outcome of the play, would pick it up, or call the Chiefs for something in order to keep the Texans in the game. Maybe he hates Kelce, or maybe he was making sure the Texans covered. Either way, I wouldn't buy a pair of shoes from him if he worked at Footlocker.
I think anytime a flag needs to be picked up it should automatically go to NewYork and get younger refs too
I seriously hope the Chiefs don't have to play another game this year under "Cheffers Crew"!!! I mean Mahomes gets punched in the face... No call
@@wc1994 yea. Only the superbowl right? Lol
I cant believe so much bull**** happened over a long weekend of football that everyone has also completely forgotten about Bosa's "hit" that nullified a pick-6. Vikes calls thrown in honestly makes me believe that these refs dont even have eyeballs.
And bosa was like “ya that was the right call” I was like ya what if you lost and if that was the right call football is beginning to suck
The NFL is dead. Dead to all humans with a working brain. Anyone else left is a die hard fan with blinders on, that will choose to ignore the truth. No way the NFL continues at this pace and avoids fan outrage & litigation. Sorry, I'm just speaking the truth here.
The “facemask” on the Vikings punt return and both fumbles that were run back by Sullivan were the most blatant forms of rigging I’ve ever seen. Like Ian said, they’re supposed to let those plays go if they can’t see when the rumble occurred. But as usual no one will be held accountable. It honestly makes me less interested in the NFL.
Yet they still won and the Colts would have sealed the game if the refs hadn't blew the whistle too early on the 4th down QB sneak
@@softjones3128 the fact that it didn’t work doesn’t mean there wasn’t intent. You don’t make up a call like that facemask without some kind of motive. They were so blatant that it’s hard to argue there wasn’t at least a portion of the officiating crew with sinister motives.
@@MrsAnalplunger Dumbest thing to think any MLS is rigged, why, what is the point? For what team, people make mistakes, nobody is perfect. Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to talk. *EVER*
Vikings been messed with all year by the refs! Bills game 12 man on the field, Davis catch, Lions with JJ being out of bounds and now the horrible calls with the colts. Needs to be held accountable.
@@changeminds2736 hundreds of millions of dollars on the line and you think it’s crazy to think a part time referee could be corrupted… you’re right that crazy people shouldn’t be able to talk. Thinking that rigging is impossible with the money involved is CRAZY.
We're heading into week 16 and only 4 teams league-wide have been eliminated from playoff contention. This past weekend was also tied for the most competitive weekend in NFL history. 12 of 15 games were within 1 score. All 15 were decided by 11 points or less. Only ever happened one other time, ever. The league wants to keep games close and they want the playoff races to remain close. It keeps fanbases engaged, TVs turned on, and stadium seats filled. Who'd have thought a Jets-Lions game in December would be one of the biggest of the season? My point in all this is that there's more than enough justification to rig games through officiating. They're not necessarily rigging games so one team wins, but so that games remain close and playoff chances remain wide open.
That is so dumb, You don't think someone would talk? It isn't worth the NFL's reputation. Look up the laws around things like "rigging" Roger doesn't want to go to jail for life, neither does anyone else involved. You only need to think one more move ahead and it makes *ZERO* sense.
@@changeminds2736 I can tell what he said went way over your narrow minded little brain 🐑 🐑
@@changeminds2736 you know the NFL is looked at as entertainment. Same as the WWE. So legally they can rig games with no repercussions.
Sorry Nessy but anyone who thinks only four teams are unable to make the playoffs is watching a different season to me. New Orleans, and Atlanta re the bottom feeders in the worst division, Denver and Las Vegas could not score a win if they went into a brothel with $10,000, Houston have been shot Texans for about 10 weeks, the Bears, Packers, Cardinals, Browns, Rams are all down for the count and would need a Rocky style boost in performance to grab the ropes and beat the 10 count. So that is at least 10 teams who are no chance of making it. Tampa Bay and Carolina are lucky they are in a woeful division because one of them will win that division and get a home play off game, when they do not even deserve to be in the end of season matches, so you can add the team from those two who does not win the division.
This is exactly right. If you think differently then you haven’t been betting for 10+ years and seen it happen.
The refs called illegal contact on a chiefs defender and the replay showed the Texans wr shoving him
Called a penalty on Kelce for pushing a guy off him that was holding him down. I think they called like three illegal contact penalties in a row in the redzone. I've never been a believer in refs fixing games, but it really seemed like they were trying to help out the Texans. I think they threw and then picked up three flags in a row too. Almost like they got together and decided it would be too transparent if they didn't pick up the flag. It was bizarre.
Or a crackback block on McKinnon when it wasn't even close to a crackback block.
@@btbarr16 couldn’t have said it better. The multiple flags they picked up was ridiculous. Like they were trying to not make it so obvious. The head ref has been part of multiple games like that against the chiefs
Cheffers has issue with Chiefs and showed it.
Trent Green spent most of the game defending Carl Scheffers. It got so bad at one point he didn’t even know what to say.
They need to let us hear the refs talking. Like the spring football league did. That was very nice.
Yes. 100%
There are a few leaks of this and they discuss making a bad call to fix the game.
Washington got absolutely screwed last week. That Terry Play you covered of course, took back a TD. Then, the next play, an obvious Pass Interference. The Giants defender was literally piggy backing the receiver…no call…smh. That game should’ve been tied and the refs killed that game. It was a shame. It has happened too often in big spots for too many teams
The Chiefs barely defeated Carl Cheffers. The only thing worse than the calls were the non calls. One sided officiating. Carl also reffed the Chiefs vs raiders game where it was so bad it looked like the fans might storm the field. Chanting the refs suck. And they did suck.
Can't protect a QB when he doesn't have the ball...he is no longer a passer then. In comparison to some other non calls on Mahommes, Jones tucked Carr in to bed
it's scripted to keep people watching
Then you agree there was no hold when the chiefs missed the field goal.
And Adams caught that ball.
@@deadraider420 I agree that referees miss calls all the time...and then review them...and for some reason make stuff up. Holding happens all the time, and that isn't reviewable. I will agree that it gets missed...can't say I recall the play you are referencing though
Boston Conner yelling, “DORK!” when Rapsheet says he doesn’t like peanut butter made me LOL
Men eat pb even when they’re allergic to it. This Rapsheet has balls the size of churchbells admitting that publicly.
I've only met one person in my life who actively dislikes peanut butter and she should be institutionalized against her will for SEVERAL reasons, and that one isn't even in the top 10.
It’s 10% peanuts, 40% man made sugar and 50% bad fat. You can keep it.
Smooth Crémeux
@@DrPhill96 Dork!
Ian being an NFL mouthpiece.
tbf the balls at the half yard line and terry is at the two w his back turned to the ref.
yep the NFL is soft rigged just like every other major sports league. just look at last year's super bowl. rams playing good but struggling to get fans in a huge market. lo and behold the refs (after keeping their whistles away all game) give stafford another shot at the endzone on 4th down. im not a bengals fan btw
@@KK----- how could the nfl be rigged? the amount of preparation that would need to be put in place to rig it would be insane. one mistake and the whole script is ruined. one missed catch and the script is ruined. one player leaking the secret and the nfl is ruined. Theres just no way it would be possible with all of the variables that happen in the nfl. I could see the NBA being slightly rigged, cause there's not as much going on. But the NFL? No chance.
@@KK----- lol what if anything the nfl helped the bengals to the SB and tried their best to keep them competitive vs the rams.
@@SKOLVIKINGS you really can’t figure out how games are rigged when the refs stole two TDs from your Vikings against the colts??
All of the crazy come backs and last second games week after week and the horrendous officiating it’s getting harder to believe there isn’t fixes going on.
In a professional league, how does a team comeback from 33-0 at half and win. Makes no sense
@@Sambow23
Interesting that the Colts DC was also the LBs coach when Atlanta blew their big lead in the Super Bowl.
@sam Bowman now imagine a Vikings fan who watched and seen two touchdowns taken away and how that in itself could have changed this game! The refs tried to give the colts every chance to win! They also called a face mask penalty on a punt return, that changed field position by 65 yards! No face mask on field! They gave your colts every chance to stop momentum.
@@seansalisbury8180 I’m not a colts fan 🤣 I’m a fan of the chiefs. Not sure why you assumed I was a colts fan. I stated that it makes zero sense for a pro team to blow a 33-0 lead in one half considering they completely dominated the 1st half. 🤔 Even if it was rigged, still was a very entertaining game to watch. Unfortunately there is too much money on the line due to gambling being more advertised that it’s very unlikely that games aren’t fixed to an extent. It’s hard for people to realize they’ve been lied to for years. Trust me since im a chiefs fan, I was like that after Chiefs won the Super Bowl. But after watching the last few seasons closely I believe it is. Not trying to convince you but if you are intrigued by the topic, I encourage you to research more. Look up Dwight Smith whose a former Super Bowl winner. He says every Super Bowl is illegitimate and says that the games aren’t decided on the field.
@@johnnyripple8972 I didn’t even realize that until now
While the rigging may not be done by the NFL (I believe some is), every season there are absolutely games that are thrown by either players, coaches, or officials. It happens in every sport.
Yes. It's also important to note that it is perfectly legal for the NFL to script their games.
@@chicog6295 it’s also important to note that that is complete false information. It is illegal to fix anything people can bet on
@@orangehighlights it isn't illegal for them to script games for entertainment. Lmao you can bet on WWE matches such as Royal rumble , which is 100% scripted. You have zero clue in what you're talking about 🤣🤣🤣
@@orangehighlights you clearly have no idea. The NFL was sued for allowing teams to purposely lose games and their only argument in court was that as a sports entertainment company they are allowed to predetermine the outcome of games, they then claimed they didn't fix games but could if they wanted. But as long as they provided entertainment then it is legal. And they won that case.
@thechristiannomad6500 NFL clearly rigs games and this one of the many obvious examples. Teams get paid when they win or draw a game and they didn't want to give another payout to two teams that already had draw last week
There were about 20 egregious calls in the Chiefs/Texans game alone
Bunch in the vikings game too. The NFL is definitely soft rigged. It all has to do with gambling companies and the league trying to figure out what brings in the most revenue
@@KK----- And making what will be a blown out game interesting. If it's 40 to 0 people are going to turn the channel. So they are playing both sides of it. Commercials. And I'm hands down with you on gambling. If they continue this it is worthless to even watch. I love a good game. But if it's only good because of the REFS theirs no point in watching!
@@pyrocl0 not necessarily, where I live they changed the eagles game against the niners I believe, cause of the score. They changed it to cowboys game
In every game, so many obvious signs to look for
When the jags needed to comeback against the cowboys, it was third down..you can see the jags lineman hold the cowboys pass rusher, they throw a flag, jags fail the third down still, then they claim it defensive holding, giving them the first down, but it's weird how they didn't show a replay of the penalty like they always do, especially when a defensive lineman getting holding is like impossible
Either the countless terrible calls in games over the years fuels this and or the NFL admitting in court they are a sports entertainment league aka the WWE
Liking this video literally for the minimized video screen for rapsheet 😂 brilliant comedy right there
Magnet gloves, blind refs, 17 game season.. all the betting line
It's really looking like it's fixed, I've never been more pissed in my life. The NFL in 2022 has never looked worse.
Its NOT a "conspiracy", ITS FACT! Look up Brian Tuohy, ...he shows the most thorough, comprehensive and convincing evidence that major sports are rigged! When he started his investigations, he used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire every file the FBI had of investigating sports gambling, from the previous 30+ years. It was boxes and boxes of files.
Why do you think the NFL just spent 3 years setting up the office in NY as a COMMAND CENTER, DIRECTLY CONNECTED BY MICS AND EAR PIECES TO THE REFS! ....and oh yea, ...they got it set up, JUST IN TIME, for NY state, and many other states, to approve legal gambling! ....and oh yea, ...just as all of these new gambling companies, draft kings etc, ...came to prominence!
Its ALL CONNECTED, and ALL RIGGED!
The refs should be obligated to do a press conference, after games, to hold them accountable for their actions….just like players and coaches!!!
uhh you realize the nfl will never allow that? they tell the refs what calls to make. if they try to explain their terrible calls it'll just make it obvious that the whole thing is rigged
I think obviously to anyone that isn’t blind that there is a degree of rigging going on and all you need are some vague rules and refs with nda’s.
NFL players are actors dude, those NDAs keep ‘em quiet until guys like LARRY JOHNSON and DWIGHT SMITH speak out
2 men in motion, illegal man down field.
Its how the rules are applied in certain spots.
Vegas loves it.
I think the refs just suck. Just my opinion, it could be completely rigged.
Refs and umpires are biased especially for the Minnesota teams they always get screwed over at some point that prevents them from winning a championship that second fumble recovery by Chandon Sullivan was clearly a fumble and a recovery and should’ve been a defensive touchdown that was obviously a bad call
I think people only think it’s rigged when their team loses or lose a bet when it’s the other way around nobody complains
Last week when they almost robbed Minnesota was when I became team No Refs should all be done remotely
Refs should just be there to keep peace and call holding
Holding is the one they mess w the most dude
This topic is exactly why my fandom of football has diminished greatly--- it was obvious years ago, and as a Packers fan-- I've seen a lot of calls favoring both my favorite teams & for others.. the integrity of the game has taken away my excitement for the games, and these days I still love to watch the athleticism, but could care less who wins or loses.
Myles Garrett is blatantly held right in front of an official 50% of the time every week and he’s lucky to get one call every third game.
Michael parson too never got a holding call n he call out the refs few times
Look at the schedules when they came out. Before Baker Mayfield's new team was even known week one had Carolina VS Cleveland. It's all about the storylines. Over a dozen guys who have played and not just scrubs Super Bowl MVP's have came out and said its all about the ratings and generating a new fan base. Last two years a team played the Super Bowl in their own stadium, where's the neutrality in that? Or the non-call when the Saints a few years back didn't get the P.I. call that was so blatant...
What are you talking about? The NFL schedule is known years in advance other than like 3 games. You play your 6 division games and then a rotating schedule of a division from the NFC and a Division from the AFC. The other two games would be the teams from your conference in the other divisions you aren’t playing that finished in the same place in their division as you did. Not sure what the new 17th game is. So yeah, Carolina and Cleveland will play again in 4 years.
Deshaun Watson comeback after his suspension was at Houston ! No coincidence ...
@@Zazzaro703he's talking about the week that they a team
Ian trying to spin it and blame it on Terry is incredibly hilarious
It’s not the refs job to make sure the WR is lined up right regardless. You don’t see any other defensive players asking refs, am I good?
@@Nooooahhh because they don’t have to be properly in the line like how WRs do. You haven’t played football and it shows
@@Nooooahhh it’s not strict on defensive players as it is wrs. And they’ve been doing it for years and years asking refs. Literally every game
@@Nooooahhh there’s no alignment for defensive player, they line up on the line of scrimmage. For offense it’s a whole different story with how many down players and on the line and off the line there are.
@@yungingmetroo you never played football in your life stfu kid lmaoo
Pushing Ian off screen as he's talking 🤣🤣🤣 genius had me in tears....
Shout out to the show for calling out Rap on his bs
NFL has considered itself “entertainment” and use story lines to gain viewership. It’s not only officials, the players are in on it as well. They sign a NDA to not talk. There are many players that have said it’s scripted. I hope people do their research
Let’s not forget that before the Bucs won a Bowl in their home stadium it had never happened before in NFL history. Then the Rams accomplished the same task in the following year. Almost like you can just buy championships these days.
The cardinal must have not paid enough following that logic
@@danizel1 they're also the Cardinals. A small market team compared to Tompa Brady and the LA Rams.
Remember Covid during 2020 and from I remember CA was still pretty strict with their covid rules. So how would the NFL make the most money? Have the team play in their own stadium at the Super Bowl
Yeah wonder how much it would cost to put the lion’s in the Super Bowl. 😂
@@Manderenn stop ur ruining the game for me 😂
A weird conversation with someone that will NEVER admit the obvious
We've all heard the famous quote from older coaches "if we loose the game because one bad call, then maybe we weren't good enough to win", but the reality is that one bad call not only affects the teams that are on the field, but it can also set in motion a cascading effect to other teams, specially now when every game matters. Make the right choice NFL and hire professional zebras :)
Agree 100% here… the Bucs bengals game was a good example of this. Bucs had a nice lead first half then right at beginnings of 3rd quarter they get a sack for 25yard loss on 3rd down which got called back for “holding” on players 30 yards away from the play. From that moment the entire game shifted…”momentum” as some say is a very real thing in sports and I imagine having absolutely terrible calls made can 100% change that
If you can look at the Steelers vs Seahawks Superbowl honestly, and don't say the NFL is rigged, I don't know what to tell you. That's the game that woke me up and made me stop calling it a sport.
I knew then I was watching a rigged game. Worst thing I ever saw in sports.
Nothing more than a choreographed circus act like WWE
@@erichonaker5875 I remind myself of that before I get mad about my team losing
@@erichonaker5875 There is not one thing left in this country that is not dirty. Including organized religion.
I am legitimately done with the NFL until they can get their refs figured out. At best its gross negligence, at worst its blatant game fixing
Yeah, sure you are... see you next weekend.
Pat's dumbass excuse "they don't get paid enough, they have 2nd jobs."
What?? They make over 200K per season. If they have second jobs thats their own business but it's not like they're barely making ends meet working 5 months a year.
Bye
@@lomarsweed6604 there’s many people who aren’t watching anymore(: believe me.. courtesy of last years super bowl dick
perfectly put
Yea great job this season ref’s that call on Chris jones ELITE. Record setting in fact. First player in NFL history to be called for roughing the passer while in position of the ball. Hats off to ya
It's almost like this issue and widespread legalized gambling are happening at the same time 🤔
Its NOT a "conspiracy", ITS FACT! Look up Brian Tuohy, ...he shows the most thorough, comprehensive and convincing evidence that major sports are rigged! When he started his investigations, he used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire every file the FBI had of investigating sports gambling, from the previous 30+ years. It was boxes and boxes of files.
Why do you think the NFL just spent 3 years setting up the office in NY as a COMMAND CENTER, DIRECTLY CONNECTED BY MICS AND EAR PIECES TO THE REFS! ....and oh yea, ...they got it set up, JUST IN TIME, for NY state, and many other states, to approve legal gambling! ....and oh yea, ...just as all of these new gambling companies, draft kings etc, ...came to prominence!
Its ALL CONNECTED, and ALL RIGGED!
Americas next big addiction forget opioids it’s GAMBLING !!!
This is not a new issue lmao
gambling isn’t an issue
@@Yourgurtisgood yeah...Im sure 100k are going to die from gambling
Clearly the nfl is definitely COOKED, if you don't think these games are rigged your just as gullible as the next WWE fan.
The NFL told us, in court, that it’s rigged. Or… we do not have the right to expect a fair outcome from games because it’s entertainment.
Yesterday should have drawn a huge light on the replay system. I was watching a 60 year old man looking at only two angles on a five inch screen to see where someone's toe was. That was just mindblowing when I seen that yesterday
Seems odd for a trillion dollar company like the NFL.
@@axe2grind244 Do you know how much money it would cost for them to put a dozen official 4K cameras in key positions in all of the current stadiums?? Probably $2-4M. They'd go bankrupt!!!!
Replays are reviewed by nfl hq in real time. It's not just the ref on the field making the call.
It does seem like the refs are only interested in protecting some of the quarterbacks.
I was no fan of Cam Newton, but he got whacked harder and more often than anyone when he was taking snaps. He had nobody looking out for him.
Falling on a qb by the person who sacked them. This just seems hard to avoid.
Justin Fields gets smacked every week and gets no flags. Breathe on Brady and you'll get flagged
@@billbowers7553not true
Was watching ESPN earlier this season after Grady Jarrett sacked Tom Brady and got called for roughing. When the play was debated on KJM in the morning.. They were defending Tom saying “”you gotta remember he’s not just a QB, he’s 45 years old””… lmao
Every game this year has had pivotal moments turned around by a ref's call.
It's every year
@@jeremiahcole2542 Yep and now that gambling companies are involved it's gotten even worse. Yet another incentive to throw games and make "Bad" calls. The calls are always deliberate
the eagles would be undefeated if it wasnt for these jerkoffs
Eh, I remember a Steelers game earlier in the year where the refs only threw like 3 flags the whole game and none were even pi
Happened to the Bears. Caused us 3 games.
I've basically quit watching football cause of these calls year after year, game after game.
The most blatant I remember was a few years back when the Saints were knocked out of the playoffs by the Rams on the pass interference no-call where the receiver was not only hit two steps before the ball got there, but it was a blatant targeting/helmet to helmet hit. One referee reached for his flag and another ran over and told him to put it away.
Fact is, calls will occasionally be missed or made in error. However, when these calls directly affect the outcome of the game something must be done. Highlighting the Washington game, specifically the last two plays; those refs took a game which at a minimum should have been in overtime. Everyone knows, that game should have been an overtime thriller!
At minimum, huh? What about the 2 point conversion?
Miami had 5+ pi against them and none were called, wich is fine but not when every single penalty was called for the bills.
"Run it up the ladder, Rap please!" Amen, brother!!
There are penalties every play, very annoying when its convenient for your team to have a foul. I often wonder why a players complains so hard at flags and I wonder how many times did they get away with that exact thing prior to make them so upset?
They are definitely rigged. Being able to sports bet has screwed it all up. Clearly these players and coaches are making stupid calls at the wrong times to boost the odds.
HOW are the Referees not full-time. This is not a beer league, this is the biggest, richest sport on the planet, what in the actual F is going on? I never knew that, that is totally outrageous.
There are too many rules in pro & collegiate sports. They have taken the variables out of the hands of the athletes and, in the name of safety and revenue, have put it in the hands of league officials and owners.
i made a similar comment, you said it better than i could. There are way too many rules due to "safety" but it's ended up taking the games out of the players hands. There are too many "roughing" type penalties which materialize out of happenstance and the NFL acts like they're making a difference because the refs issue a 15 yard penalty lol. So many fans are just conditioned to accept it, but it's really hurt the game
@@bigbrytunney8753 I am glad you & others are seeing it too. I’m still not sure where a guy lunging forward to make a tackle is supposed to move his head
@@joshroyale7678 yup, everytime i hear an announcer say "see, he lead with his head there" i roll my eyes. You have no choice to lead with your head when lunging to make a tackle. The funny thing is, ball carriers are the worst offenders of leading with their helmet, but it never gets called
As a raider fan I didn't think that was a touchdown.
Same but i’ll take it 😂 we’re always on the opposite end so it’s nice being on this end for once
@@matthewchhom4999 But wouldn't it feel better if it was for real?
@@davidcorelli556 no. The point counted and we won the game. Dont care how it was done
Interesting.
I think they should put performance bonuses into the refs contract I don't know how it would work exactly but they could figure out that way they are incentives to calling a good game or if not bonuses then make them full time and fine them for bad calls
Hire people to watch each ref and call on the field and measure them against what the analytics show the calls on the field should be. They would each be assessed a percentage of SOP and based on that SOP compared to their peers, they'll be paid bonuses. So some refs will get a tiny little bonus and some will get a lot.
@djbucksd I know that but few things with that. 1 it is limited by how many refs they need for the playoffs. 2 that doesn't solve it because you have to be the top x of refs and if the refs are really bad than there are still bad refs getting it, so you would be rewarded bad refing as well. If the refs get really good then it would demoralize the refs that do really well but just not good enough. 3 I think it would be more effective if there is a direct goal to work for that is known to the ref that they can work towards and it even can be broken up into smaller time frames than the whole season wether that be every week or month or other. It would make their performance feel more rewarding as a bonus is more rewarding than extra shifts. 4 That system should still stay and add further incentive to do a good job and it adds a reason to do even better than the set goals for the bonuses.
Your definition of performance may vary wildly from the league's definition of performance.
You define it as "bad" calls.
The league defines it as "keeping fans vested until the final whistle."
Anyone who has done sports gambling enough, knows there is something going on. No one knows exactly what or how, but it's there.
I mean organized crime has a long history of sports fixing. Soooo whatever is happening, it's along those lines..
The NFL partnering with things like FanDuel opens the door for corruption. Remember the NBA ref years ago that was found to be fixing games with his calls or noncalls?
Actually crazy to me that the NFL doesn't pay handsomely for top notch refs, especially considering the revenue the league brings in.. the main problem with the product is the officiating which is unacceptable
They profit majorly bc of the ridiculous officiating and bizarre outcomes. Refs call the games as instucted, it is entertainment, not a sport
It’s starting to look intentional
I really think some games show obvious bias. When I see competative "touching" on contested plays and no calls, I know the game will be fun to watch. When I see it's 4th quarter and the WR got touched from the tampon string of a blocker and the ref throws either a PI or ruffing the passer, I immediatly begin my ritual of swearing off football.
That ref had money on that Raiders V. Patriots game!!
The Chiefs game Juju had the ball pinned between his arm and torso on the ground, how is he not down, the guy literally took the ball from him while he was on the ground, I don’t understand how that could possibly be a fumble.
This yr has been the worst officiating since the strike. Refs decide almost every game now. You can see it easily. Flags every 3rd down for a specific team. 3rd and 15, they get stopped, wait, illegal contact auto 1st down. They show the replay and NOTHING happened. It's rigged, point, blank period. Edelman agrees lol
Since i saw how brady won vs the chiefs in the 2020 superbowl… i knew the nfl is rigged.
The nfl is the new WWE
Or against the Niners. Bosa was held on every snap practically including the lob on 3rd and long that helped the chiefs get back in it.
Its been downhill since NFL allowed sports betting
I don’t think it’s possible for the refs to fully rig a game. It is undoubtedly possible and likely they’re influencing them and their outcomes. They can call a game 95% right and make 3 calls in a teams favor that dramatically influences win probability. Crazy to think greed and ego doesn’t impact some of these dudes.
It's not hard to imagine Vegas approaching a few of them and paying them large sums of money to assist with the outcome depending on how the spreads come out
I can answer this question directly and swiftly.
Yes.
All penalties should be video reviewed in the booth, like they do in soccer. It does not slow the game down there, and too much is on the line. After Tim Donaghy getting caught betting on NBA games the thought will always be there. And full time officials, why this isn't done already is mind blowing.
"Let's see how honest and upfront they'll be."
Ahahahahah. I've seen a browns player fumble, quickly reaches forward and picks it up. Then Washington players jumped to where the ball was. The Browns player (Duke Johnson) gets up, starts to walk up field. He's literally holding the ball over his head. The refs run right past him. Look at the pile of redskins players for a few seconds. Then signal Redskins ball. The browns challenge. They lose the challenge because it's 'unclear who recovered ball.' The Browns Org proceed to demand explanations from the NFL. The NFL says the same thing.
So, yeah. The NFL are bad actors. The game is rigged to degrees. NFL teams absolutely do not get equal calls, the first call (the one that matters) goes to the favored team in the refs mind 90% of the time. There is clearly some amount of point manipulation with these terrible late game impact calls. And there is no public oversight.
I wouldn't say it's rigged but they are definitely bias toward certain teams and players.
Well it is absolutely scripted athletic theater.
the bills and tom brady get that treatment and a team like the chiefs are screwed over
@@aaravshah235. Tom Brady was choked out against the 49ers and didn’t get a call this narrative is over lol the Bucs had some absolutely terrible calls against them against bengals and 49ers
I mean you can pretend it's not rigged but the NFL has a long history of their games being fixed, particularly by organized crime. That is a fact. So you can't just say it can't be rigged. It has been before...
This has been going on since mob bookies figured out how to make a profit from it. Watch Michael Franzese talk about how the mob handled professional athletes when they got into debt with them.
YEAH BECAUSE THEY MAKE SO MUCH $
Wow. If I had a $ for every time that loser lied, I'd be rich.
The mob has been dead for 20 years at this point.
Yup, people say the NFL can't be rigged but it's literally on paper that organized crime fixed sports🤣 they even testified to it.
I've always thought the nfl rigged conspiracies were complete bullsh*t until this season particular,it's hard to explain away the things we've been seeing across all games
That Vikings comeback was absurd. Thinking it’s not rigged is also absurd.
the scary terry thing and missed PI were just the icing on the cake of that game. i got no dog in a fight between giants and skins, but those refs were on a mission and it was to not have washington win. also great job not letting ian say anything lol not sure if you know its cuz he's gonna say what the nfl wants him to say or because you're on your high horse this one, but dang i do enjoy what he has to say regardless
Yeah that felt very on purpose. Not to mention the giants being in one of the largest metropolitan areas and the commanders having the least liked owner in the league. Pretty easy to see why the refs wouldn’t give them a call when the game was on the line.
NFL doesn't want Snyder to get into the playoffs, the Refs did the same stuff in previous match. Makes me wonder how they will be in the 49ers game with Washington
@@calebmahoney2448 its kind of funny how both bad new york teams rise from the ashes the season after the rams win a super bowl and still can not sell out their stadium. they went all in on the la market and left 2 behind, gotta make up for it. or maybe its all just 1 big coincedence
The last drive at the goal line is all people will remember, but the refs were seriously horrible to Washington all game and completely one-sided. No call on an obvious early hit against a receiver that shouldve given Washington 1st and 10 at NYG 25. Instead they punt. No call on blatant helmet to helmet that shouldve given 1st and 10 in NYG territory. Instead they punt. Nonsense holding call negates 15 yard run by Robinson, instead of 1st and 10 at their 35 gives them 2nd and 18 inside their 10... Next play is a strip sack fumble TD that probably doesnt happen if they didnt blatantly put Washington into an awful spot from an awful call... This is all just what happened in the 1st half that people wont remember or talk about, not to mention how this game ended. I dont care what anyone says this game was either rigged, or massively botched, and the Giants did not deserve to win at all.
NY and LA teams always get official help in every pro sport. It’s a part of the game at this point
watching packers and they made a huge deal about packers scoring after 1st half, then packers break the streak of 21 games. then later they put up a big stat of the rams not having a touchdown with a tight end all year and the very next play the rams tight end ran the most basic dig route where jaire did not even contest the throw to be their first. i was just sweating profusely waiting for an 18 point comeback to top the 3 17 point comebacks
Last 30 seconds is gold.
There should be a penalty replay official.
Is it not rigged ? I’ll be surprised if it’s not 😂
The NFL has been rigging games since Pete Rozell
100% rigged. But it's legal for them to do it. NFL is labeled as an Entertainment Business.
Its NOT a "conspiracy", ITS FACT! Look up Brian Tuohy, ...he shows the most thorough, comprehensive and convincing evidence that major sports are rigged! When he started his investigations, he used the Freedom of Information Act to acquire every file the FBI had of investigating sports gambling, from the previous 30+ years. It was boxes and boxes of files.
Why do you think the NFL just spent 3 years setting up the office in NY as a COMMAND CENTER, DIRECTLY CONNECTED BY MICS AND EAR PIECES TO THE REFS! ....and oh yea, ...they got it set up, JUST IN TIME, for NY state, and many other states, to approve legal gambling! ....and oh yea, ...just as all of these new gambling companies, draft kings, fan duel etc, ...came to prominence!
Its ALL CONNECTED, and ALL RIGGED!
@@snwrist3 I’ve been looked at major sports like it’s the WWE since like the early 2000s lol. I thought everyone did. It’s still entertaining
Haven't the referee officials had to to officially apologize to the official Minnesota Vikings like at least three times this year already? How bout when the ref literally took out our CB (I beleive akalab evens) as he was ready to go up for a pick which then resulted in another touchdown?
Paying them back for the NOLA No call... shits been rigged
Officials need to be held responsible for bad calls. These calls can not only change the outcome of games, they can also affect players careers. It pisses me off when the NFL releases statements from the refs saying “Upon further review we see that our call was erroneous.” And then life goes on as normal for them. They are basically saying “We made a bad call. So what? Do something about it.”
They're just following the script NFL is giving them.
Players are in on it too. It literally pretend football.
They’re not bad calls. They’re business decisions.
They’re just doing their job lol
I'm done with NFL after that NY WAS game. 3 obvious pass interference no calls then they call the illegal formation on WAS WR? I can't imagine how the biggest league in the US could have such poor officiating unless there really is something going here. Either way I got better things to do than watch refs choose the winner.
The officiating has been terrible all year. Just with the Vikings alone, ref runs into Bynum, Gabe Davis dropped pass. Hockenson getting molested in the endzone, JJ not running out of bounds against Detroit. Crazy part is that this is happening in every other game throughout the nfl. It's been terrible all year and for years actually
Yeah I thought it was weird when they said it’s been better overall, it’s been by far the worst it’s ever been. I’ve seen like the top 5 worst calls ever this year lol
A ref had George Pickens half wrapped up on a live play and George did his thing. Stepped over him and yelled in his face after shoving him down. Can't blame him they are physically trying to swing games now not just the hundreds of bad flags.
The NFL gets a tax break and makes over a billion dollars a year....the commissioner makes more than most players. There is zero reason the NFL can't pay refs a base of $50,000 a game for regular season and $100,000 for playoff games. If I was a ref I would make sure I didn't suck so bad I didn't get that playoff payday and be added to the playoff rotation.
They are no longer registered as non-profit. Why you can't see gooddell's salary.
Worst person to come on to discuss this issue.
One ref makes a couple calls a certain way make someone 10’s of millions. -3.5 at the half and the team is up 1. They get a “holding penalty” and back it up 10. No field goal before the half. Everyone is cheated.
They let Minnesota get away with 680 yards of penalties. That had a LOT to do with that "come back". No way the NFL was going to let the Colts beat Minnesota at home.
At what point does Pat break his NFL non-disclosure and tell us the truth about the NFL?
Said this on another vid but NFL needs to learn from rugby. Rugby's had mic'd up refs (video refs too) for two decades, and it now works!
Please also check out 'whistle watch' with Nigel Owens. World Rugby even takes a critical look at the refs, and NFL has to follow suit.
NFL could be obviously rigged but the major media outlets that cover the sport will never be too critical, or expose faults with the league because the NFL makes them too much money. It’s never been a good look to me that criticizing the officiating results in a fine as well.
It's not a conspiracy when the video shows it
All pro sports are predetermined. They’re labeled sports entertainment just like the wwe
I stop short of calling it rigged: the outcomes are often steered and directed and manipulated.. remember, it's an entertainment league..I have said that with college annually, they have particular teams who draw larger ratings and crowds..same with the NFL: u can ignore holding or motion or pass interference 175 minutes and suddenly every penalty is called, either to keep people watching or manipulation of the outcome because of penalties
Stopped short of calling it rigged and then said that it's rigged without calling it rigging. I agree though