I am happy to discuss guidelines and their origins. We have definitively not kept up with them in terms of modern design systems and we are hoping to change that.
Please tell me zoom is now in a logical place like Accessibility rather than being bundled with Desktop Effects. I understand it may be seen as an "effect" but that means nothing to a user who is looking for an accessibility option. Just found it rather strange, not exactly user friendly and dated having been left like that for so long. I hope it has changed or will be changed eventually. Great content btw. My favourite Linux channel. Hope you're having a great day.
@@squishy-tomato I just think it shouldn't be seen or treated as an effect at all. However something is made or implemented in the background means nothing to the user so I think it should just be where it is on every other desktop (as far as I know). It feels as native as Compiz back in the day which is so archaic of an approach. I imagine it's like this because it's about KWin (I assume) settings being in mostly one place like it was for Compiz. Imagine already having poor eyesight just to go into a tab that has nothing to do with what you are likely squinting hard to find lol. Goes against the whole point of accessibility. I don't think there's anything to get used to. I think it's just an oversight in design. Genuinely amazed I've never seen it mentioned anywhere. Even more amazed it's never changed. I am surprised Plasma 6 hasn't made it more obvious when they're going over the design of the settings unless it has changed recently in development which would be great to hear.
I just hope that customizable touchpad gestures come to the Plasma Wayland session soon! I mean, even Cinnamon has them on XOrg (they aren't 1 : 1, but still, they're customizable)!
This collaboration might be my favourite just yet not just bcos of how organic it feels, but also Michael actually asked some really, really important/interesting questions I've not seen discussed before (or much of it at least) like how tedious 4 finger gestures are. Apple's gestures are definitely the most natural/intuitive I think, even the 5 finger gesture it has is more natural to use (also not very commonly needed) than relying on 4. At the moment, I use Touche to configure the gestures for three-up to open the "Overview" view, three-down to "ExposeClass", and leave three-left/right to switch desktops (which I think is more than enough for most users who don't even know/rely on virtual desktops).
same here, im using x11 just bc of Touché but im missing the 2 fingers gesture on browsers and the pinch to zoom :( i think they're only available on wayland
I've been testing out Plasma 6 from the kde-unstable Arch repos, I noticed there are some really nice new sounds! At least, I assume they're from Plasma 6 and not something that I accidentally installed at around the same time 😄
@@oredaze Right now some of the ideas developed were ported into breeze but I wouldn't be amazed if the entire style was developed from the ground up as its own thing once Plasma 6 was fully matured and a unified styling for Qt Widgets and Qt Quick are worked on. Unofficial name is Ocean for the mock ups.
I wish I could install more themes on Bazzite the normal way instead of having to download and install them manually so that is the one area I wish for improvement in Plasma 6.
Same. GNOME Shell with some extensions becomes very usable on a laptop with just gestures to handle dynamic workspaces and automatic fullscreen assignment per workspace. Plasma 5.27 on Wayland already has some gesture recognition improvements over GS but lacks the baked in work to feel integrated. Plasma 6 is shaping up to be a great environment.
@@DCM777. I'd rather depend on something that is officially supported. Same reason I won't rely on gnome extensions that greatly change the official supported functionality of gnome.
nico, is it possible to change the timing of when it suggest to snap to a corner? when we have two screens it is too slow to be usable. (in the share edge of the two screens ie, middle) also, would be awsome to have the behavior of windows, that when you snapp to a corner, it shows the icons of the other open programs and if you select one, it fills the rest of the screen with the chosen app, or if you click outside it does nothing with other windows (as kde currently does)
Great content but would be handy if you could have made the discussion a bit calmer - maybe discuss the broad topics you'll cover together before going on air next time???
I also use pen tablet for everything, (gestures addon in web browser it's such speed up - this is the way, but even more importantly it's just so freaking comfortable) which is why I wonder why there is no middle mouse button scroll in Dolphin manager 🥺 I mean I want to scroll in densly populated folders with middle mouse key press&hold just like websites, are there any chances that this could be a built in feature?
@@UsEr4532lili inside Dolphin file manager middle click just act as left click for me, it literarly do nothing, it doesn't paste it's just useless wasting it's potential, besides I mean click and hold like in firefox, not just click.
No please, stop being inspired from Gnome workflow for KDE. I need a desktop not a huge tablet, hear this makes me want to cry. I'm staring using plasma 6 in a VM, it seems great and really modern look and feel. Keep on doing great job devs!
i'm sorry but KDE feels like it's held together with nuts and bolts most of the time. i get its modularity, but it's too modular for its own good. it can't even communicate cursor image changes between its own windows, to its other desktop elements, and this has been a bug for years. everything has too many sub-menus that you don't use half the time, an option to remove unused menus/buttons would be welcome. but even with all that, I could see past it, if you could mirror your panel (task bar) accross all screens. it's wild this has been an issue/feature request for years, with so many people wanting it, yet no one is looking at it. it is my #1 reason that is preventing me from using kde.
PLEASE, KDE team we need better hotkeys in plasma, 2 features is NEEDED, first modes a hotkey that enable a set of hotkeys, (see it as a popup menu) meta+r b so that is meta+r and release and b for browser, or meta+q q for quit so you don't quit stuff, so on, and there other is make it possible to setup meta+hjkl to move focus to windows in the arrow is pointing, meta+HJKL to make windows in the tiles, and of cuz we need to save the tile layout.(meta+1..9 to move to desktop)
Perhaps I misunderstand but if the new vision is to make KDE more like Gnome, then it's a less meaningful alternative since we already have Gnome and some of us don't like it.
No. That is not a new vision. There is just one feature where Gnome did a great job and KDE people used it as reference to implement such feature to KDE Plasma.
What about implementing AI in the system, like Windows and many apps are currently doing? It is understandable not wanting to use AI for development at this point, but having AI is slowly becoming a norm. If you don't start working on it, Linux as always will be last to adopt and the solutions will be backwards compared to more mature things in other systems. This will be another reason not to use Linux, because "we don't have this or that". Those things are not just convenient, but become a necessity for work or education, or sometimes for daily living. This is crucial to keep up, and you are already late.
Shouldn't be too difficult as it isn't really a desktop problem. Although for many the absence of AI in the system would be a reason to switch to Linux and some would be unhappy to the addition of it because it is currently a point of controversy. If anything, Linux desktop is way more ready for AI tools integration since it's way more modular, so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to integrate system manipulation with an AI chatbot better than Windows does it. The major problem is the absence of powerful enough open-source AI models to compete with giant tech companies.
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Thanks again for the talk ❤
My goodness. Dream come true: KDE RUclips collaborations become the norm.
I am happy to discuss guidelines and their origins. We have definitively not kept up with them in terms of modern design systems and we are hoping to change that.
Plasma is far ahead of the rest, *maintaining the concept of the true Desktop*.
Congratulations on the great work and dedication!
Plasma is an absolute joy to use. Thank you for all your work.
Am I the only one imagining Nicco closing the call and rushing to figure out why the window resizing didn't animate
It would be cool if you linked Michael's video. Other than that, thank you for the work you are doing in plasma
Enjoyed this conversation, I am really digging KDE plasma 6, I'm using it on bare metal and looking forward to its final release.
Please tell me zoom is now in a logical place like Accessibility rather than being bundled with Desktop Effects. I understand it may be seen as an "effect" but that means nothing to a user who is looking for an accessibility option. Just found it rather strange, not exactly user friendly and dated having been left like that for so long. I hope it has changed or will be changed eventually. Great content btw. My favourite Linux channel. Hope you're having a great day.
@@squishy-tomato I just think it shouldn't be seen or treated as an effect at all. However something is made or implemented in the background means nothing to the user so I think it should just be where it is on every other desktop (as far as I know). It feels as native as Compiz back in the day which is so archaic of an approach. I imagine it's like this because it's about KWin (I assume) settings being in mostly one place like it was for Compiz. Imagine already having poor eyesight just to go into a tab that has nothing to do with what you are likely squinting hard to find lol. Goes against the whole point of accessibility.
I don't think there's anything to get used to. I think it's just an oversight in design. Genuinely amazed I've never seen it mentioned anywhere. Even more amazed it's never changed. I am surprised Plasma 6 hasn't made it more obvious when they're going over the design of the settings unless it has changed recently in development which would be great to hear.
I just hope that customizable touchpad gestures come to the Plasma Wayland session soon! I mean, even Cinnamon has them on XOrg (they aren't 1 : 1, but still, they're customizable)!
This collaboration might be my favourite just yet not just bcos of how organic it feels, but also Michael actually asked some really, really important/interesting questions I've not seen discussed before (or much of it at least) like how tedious 4 finger gestures are. Apple's gestures are definitely the most natural/intuitive I think, even the 5 finger gesture it has is more natural to use (also not very commonly needed) than relying on 4. At the moment, I use Touche to configure the gestures for three-up to open the "Overview" view, three-down to "ExposeClass", and leave three-left/right to switch desktops (which I think is more than enough for most users who don't even know/rely on virtual desktops).
same here, im using x11 just bc of Touché but im missing the 2 fingers gesture on browsers and the pinch to zoom :( i think they're only available on wayland
Possible different wallpaper for different virtual desktop, please. 😉
I've been testing out Plasma 6 from the kde-unstable Arch repos, I noticed there are some really nice new sounds! At least, I assume they're from Plasma 6 and not something that I accidentally installed at around the same time 😄
yup! until now it used the KDE 4 Oxygen sounds, now it has new Blue Ocean sounds! they're inspired by Windows Vista and i don't remember what else
I just wish oxygen continues to work. I really don't like flat design. It's unfortunate we don't have more options.
Have you seen the design ideas for the new style? It's still flat but with an intent on increasing depth feel in elements.
@@freetobe3 I haven't. Is it still breeze or something new? Let me check.
@@oredaze Right now some of the ideas developed were ported into breeze but I wouldn't be amazed if the entire style was developed from the ground up as its own thing once Plasma 6 was fully matured and a unified styling for Qt Widgets and Qt Quick are worked on. Unofficial name is Ocean for the mock ups.
@@freetobe3 Can't find it, but it doesn't matter. I will wait for the finished surprise. Kinda exciting.
I wish I could install more themes on Bazzite the normal way instead of having to download and install them manually so that is the one area I wish for improvement in Plasma 6.
If KDE ever adopts dynamic workspaces, I promise I'll come back lol.
Same. GNOME Shell with some extensions becomes very usable on a laptop with just gestures to handle dynamic workspaces and automatic fullscreen assignment per workspace.
Plasma 5.27 on Wayland already has some gesture recognition improvements over GS but lacks the baked in work to feel integrated.
Plasma 6 is shaping up to be a great environment.
it can be installed from the kwin scripts section of system settings. Get New Scripts
@@DCM777. I'd rather depend on something that is officially supported. Same reason I won't rely on gnome extensions that greatly change the official supported functionality of gnome.
I was hoping for that deepin look&feel, the one that Windows 11 stolen...
Is Plasma6 really going to support HDR? If it is true, I will switch from Gnome to KDE, and use the Gnome-like Plasma desktop.
Deja Vu!
nico, is it possible to change the timing of when it suggest to snap to a corner? when we have two screens it is too slow to be usable. (in the share edge of the two screens ie, middle)
also, would be awsome to have the behavior of windows, that when you snapp to a corner, it shows the icons of the other open programs and if you select one, it fills the rest of the screen with the chosen app, or if you click outside it does nothing with other windows (as kde currently does)
Great content but would be handy if you could have made the discussion a bit calmer - maybe discuss the broad topics you'll cover together before going on air next time???
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I also use pen tablet for everything, (gestures addon in web browser it's such speed up - this is the way, but even more importantly it's just so freaking comfortable) which is why I wonder why there is no middle mouse button scroll in Dolphin manager 🥺 I mean I want to scroll in densly populated folders with middle mouse key press&hold just like websites, are there any chances that this could be a built in feature?
@@UsEr4532lili inside Dolphin file manager middle click just act as left click for me, it literarly do nothing, it doesn't paste it's just useless wasting it's potential, besides I mean click and hold like in firefox, not just click.
No please, stop being inspired from Gnome workflow for KDE. I need a desktop not a huge tablet, hear this makes me want to cry.
I'm staring using plasma 6 in a VM, it seems great and really modern look and feel. Keep on doing great job devs!
Overview is the thing I hate most about Gnome. lol
i'm sorry but KDE feels like it's held together with nuts and bolts most of the time. i get its modularity, but it's too modular for its own good. it can't even communicate cursor image changes between its own windows, to its other desktop elements, and this has been a bug for years. everything has too many sub-menus that you don't use half the time, an option to remove unused menus/buttons would be welcome. but even with all that, I could see past it, if you could mirror your panel (task bar) accross all screens. it's wild this has been an issue/feature request for years, with so many people wanting it, yet no one is looking at it. it is my #1 reason that is preventing me from using kde.
PLEASE, KDE team we need better hotkeys in plasma, 2 features is NEEDED, first modes a hotkey that enable a set of hotkeys, (see it as a popup menu) meta+r b so that is meta+r and release and b for browser, or meta+q q for quit so you don't quit stuff, so on, and there other is make it possible to setup meta+hjkl to move focus to windows in the arrow is pointing, meta+HJKL to make windows in the tiles, and of cuz we need to save the tile layout.(meta+1..9 to move to desktop)
Perhaps I misunderstand but if the new vision is to make KDE more like Gnome, then it's a less meaningful alternative since we already have Gnome and some of us don't like it.
No. That is not a new vision. There is just one feature where Gnome did a great job and KDE people used it as reference to implement such feature to KDE Plasma.
@@HenriqueSantAnna That's great. I appreciate the clarification.
Not really. There are some points of choice of convergence. The point of kde is and should always be the customization
What about implementing AI in the system, like Windows and many apps are currently doing? It is understandable not wanting to use AI for development at this point, but having AI is slowly becoming a norm. If you don't start working on it, Linux as always will be last to adopt and the solutions will be backwards compared to more mature things in other systems. This will be another reason not to use Linux, because "we don't have this or that". Those things are not just convenient, but become a necessity for work or education, or sometimes for daily living. This is crucial to keep up, and you are already late.
Shouldn't be too difficult as it isn't really a desktop problem. Although for many the absence of AI in the system would be a reason to switch to Linux and some would be unhappy to the addition of it because it is currently a point of controversy. If anything, Linux desktop is way more ready for AI tools integration since it's way more modular, so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to integrate system manipulation with an AI chatbot better than Windows does it. The major problem is the absence of powerful enough open-source AI models to compete with giant tech companies.