Did Peter Jackson REWRITE Tolkien?
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Boromir actually saves the fellowship on Caradhras by suggesting to take firewood along to warm themselves if necessary and also is the one who first recognizes that they cannot make it across the pass.
Gilraen didn't leave Aragorn at Rivendell, she lived there with him for twenty years.
She lived there with him, but I’m not sure how long. I don’t believe it was 20 years, though. I was under the impression that she died when he was a child, but I might have to reread that part to be sure.
She did, however, leave him there towards the end of her life to return to her old home. She apparently died very young for one of the Dunedain.
Aragorn is not the leader in the book. Gandalf is the leader - Frodo will say so later - but Gandalf relies on Aragorn for guidance, and he takes Aragorn's foresight of what will happen in Moria seriously.
its more that Gandalf recognizes that Aragorn is his second in command and respects his judgement. one my favorite aspects of the books is Aragorn's deep reservations about going into Moria. He had been in Moria before, yet he refuses to speak about what he experienced there. By comparison Gandalf had also been there yet had no problem discussing it.
Aragorn's worries come in several scenes in the book: first in the sequence when Frodo overhears them when everyone else is sleeping Aragorn literally says "I beg you do speak of it (Moria) until we have tried the mountain pass."
Aragorn like Gandalf has been in Moria but specifically chooses not to talk about what happened there.
When Gandalf is asking members of the Fellowship who is willing to follow him into Moria, Gimli is exited and willing, but Aragorn is described as answering "i will" "heavily"
Aragorn after the near-death event going over the Redhorn Gate agrees to trust Gandalf,
When they are travelling through Moria Aragorn takes up position in the rear, walking "in the dark"
What ever happened to Aragorn in Moria shook up Aragorn, which given his vast travels and experiences (including fighting in the Wars of Rohan, Gondor and Mordor and the lands of Harrad "where the Stars are strange (southern hemisphere)
It seems that Moria was his worst experience.
It is Frodo, since he's the only one who has any charge laid on him, and the final decisions about which way to go always lie with him. The others follow him.
@@notlob7187 All that is true, but that doesn't make him the leader.
"‘Over the bridge!’ cried Gandalf, recalling his strength. ‘Fly! This is a foe beyond any of you. I must hold the narrow way. Fly!’ Aragorn and Boromir did not heed the command, but still held their ground, side by side, behind Gandalf at the far end of the bridge. The others halted just within the doorway at the hall’s end, and turned, unable to leave their leader to face the enemy alone."
"‘I set out from Imladris, as it is named in the rhyme, many weeks ago,’ answered Aragorn. ‘With me went Boromir of Minas Tirith. My errand was to go to that city with the son of Denethor, to aid his folk in their war against Sauron. But the Company that I journeyed with had other business. Of that I cannot speak now. Gandalf the Grey was our leader.’"
"‘Here is the gift of Celeborn and Galadriel to the leader of your Company" [Galadriel] said to Aragorn..."
"‘Gandalf!’ said Frodo. ‘I thought it was he. Gandalf the Grey, dearest of counsellors. Leader of our Company. He was lost in Moria.’"
"Gandalf the Grey (Mithrandir, Greyhame, Grey Pilgrim, Grey Wanderer, Gandalf the White, the Wise, White Rider, Leader of the Company, etc.)"
Galadriel, Aragorn, Frodo, the narrator, and the compiler of the index ALL call Gandalf the leader of the Company.
@@notlob7187 The other three hobbits follow Frodo. Gandalf leads him. Aragorn and Boromir set out for Minas Tirith and happen to be going the same way. Gimli and Legolas are nominally going back to their homes and are also traveling with Frodo for a while, but they decide to stay with the Company when it's time to leave Lothlórien.
At the end of book three when Gandalf leaves, he says to aragon that he has to protect Mankind now. That the last age was gandalfs fight against Sauron, now Aragon will have to take over. So Gandalf saw himself as the main guy standing up to Sauron and coordinating and leading the fight.
13:33 Sorry to "but actually" you, but actually, Frodo's sword breaks at the Ford, after Frodo made it to the far bank. In Tolkien (and many other stories featuring heros with swords) a broken or tarnished sword is a symbol of the character's will being broken by their enemy.
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Suddenly the foremost Rider spurred his horse forward. It checked at the water and reared up. With a great effort Frodo sat upright and brandished his sword. ‘Go back!’ he cried. ‘Go back to the Land of Mordor, and follow me no more!’...His enemies laughed at him with a harsh and chilling laughter. ‘Come back! Come back!’ they called. ‘To Mordor we will take you!’
‘Go back!’ he whispered.
‘The Ring! The Ring!’ they cried with deadly voices; and immediately their leader urged his horse forward into the water, followed closely by two others.
‘By Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair,’ said Frodo with a last effort, lifting up his sword, ‘you shall have neither the Ring nor me!’
Then the leader, who was now half across the Ford, stood up menacing in his stirrups, and raised up his hand. Frodo was stricken dumb. He felt his tongue cleave to his mouth, and his heart labouring. His sword broke and fell out of his shaking hand.
- Flight to the Ford
Yep! Someone commented this already, and I’m guessing more are to come 😂 I just had a brain fart and combined the whole “weathertop -> bruinen” as one thing since the riders chased him from Weathertop.
Good catch!
But wasn't it a broken sword that severed a certain someone's finger?
@@jamesboyd304 Yes it was.
That reminds me, wasn't it a thing that the Nazgul didn't cross running water and that the reason for their initial hesitancy at the edge of the river, but being so close to the ring they're move forward anyway?
Something completely lost in the movie.
@@WelverinNot really they cross the Anduin several times in the story and lead two assaults on Osgilath. In the form of the black riders they cross the Isen and ford the Brandywine to enter the shire before they even appear in the book, not to mention crossing “the water” (the river in hobbiton) and then Aragorn fears they will hold a bridge on the great east road against the hobbits in an attempt to take the ring. Which they do, but are driven off by Glorfindel. None of this suggests any magical provision against crossing running water as if they were mere witches like the Cutty Sark in Tam o’shanter. The Ford of Bruinen is the boundary of Rivendell and the land under Elrond’s power, the flood that washes them away is summoned by Elrond in part using the power of his ring. Even together the 9 are no match for Aragorn, Glorfindel, Gandalf, and Elrond acting in concert. Particularly given that 2 of the 3 rings are being wielded against them.
Here lies one of my most favorite dialogues in the book. Right before leaving Rivendell, Elrond says farewell but tells the fellowship that they don't need to vow that they will stay with Frodo when the road gets too dangerous. Gimli does not like that and debates with Elrond.
"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens" said Gimli.
"Maybe", said Elrond, "but let him not vow to walk in the dark, who has not seen the nightfall".
"Yet sworn word may strengthen quaking heart" said Gimli.
"Or break it," said Elrond. "Look not too far ahead. But go now with good hearts"
Tolkien shows in a perfect way the wisdom of Elrond as well as the pride and stubbornness of the dwarves!
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Although it might seen that it is Saruman who causes the avalanche, it is revealed in director and writers audio commentary by Philpa Boyens, the spell that Saruman say in Quenya is a spell that awakens the evil spirit of Rehorn AKA Caradrhas, while Gandalf's counter spell is to make that spirit go back to sleep. The translations of the spells are:
Gandalf: "Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith!" (Sleep, Caradhras, be still, lie still, hold your wrath!)
Saruman: "Cuiva nwalca Carnirasse; Nai yarvaxea rasselya; taltuva notto-carinnar!" (Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your bloodstained horn fall upon enemy heads!)
The Nazgul breaking Gandalf's staff never happened, and that scene is the one that most offended me about Jackson's work, the rest being of course mostly top notch.
Ya i never liked that was that to show that the witch king is superior to gandalf even though gandalf is basically an upgraded angel ?
One detail they kept from the books but is quite missable unless you pay attention is that Legolas walks on the snow as elves are rather light.
Loved that part. They were all miserable and waist deep in snow and the Elf is just casually walking ahead of them
In the book Gandalf is the leader of the fellowship. After his fall in Moria, Aragorn changes his mind (plan) on going with Borimir. Almost all of the changes P.J. does I disagree with, so if he has to cut out so much (or else it is a 3 day movie) why add scenes that didn't happen? Now on to the nit picking; The Witch King breaks Frodo's sword when he defies the Nazgul at the river. The company kind of takes a vote on going into Moria, and Frodo waffles with a wait until morning and you'll get more votes.
Good point about the sword. I think my brain just lumped the entire Weathertop + chase aftermath into one moment with the climax being the bruinen haha my mistake!
"... if he has to cut out so much... why add scenes that didn't happen"
Exactly this! This excuse is rolled out so often, and doesn't hold water.
Jackson butchered it, and for no good reason.
Everyone defaults to the excuse about having to cut things for time, but ignore the many things that Jackson added that took up lots of time while violating the story intent.
Its the greatest trilogy of all time so you cant say he butchered it xd
Prove that it is, and don’t say because of the cinematography, the locations, architecture, Oscar’s, etc, because all of these films created the shit movies of today with their modern look, casting and script, and politics.
@@saberhamlinconmaverickknud4821 These films created shit movies of today? Ummmm....how?
Yes, Jackson rewrote Tolkien, and not well. He cut scenes and characters, claiming time constraints, but then he adds his own rewrites which add dozens of minutes to the story.
He did similar but worse to The Hobbit.
The Pass of Caradhras doesn't look like much of a pass. It looks like they are just climbing the mountain.
Very true 😂
Yes I knew. Because I read books. That simple.
i love this series so much, im currently reading the books for the very first time and im on the fellowship leaving Lorien, its so cool to discover all these changes between the books and the movies by myself and then having them summarized every week!!
That’s awesome! Yea, I love doing it each week 😊🙏🏼
Tolkien's Aragorn is a man and a hero who has a fantastic character trajectory and who always opts for peaceful discourse during conflict. Jackson's Aragorn is a wet noodle and a thug who defaults to violence as the only option: placing his hand on the pommel of his sword when Boromir picks up the Ring, telling Legolas and Gimli to attack who they think is Saruman before allowing him to speak, cutting off the head of the Mouth of Sauron, etc. Jackson's Aragorn has no motivation. If he's openly denying his birthright and not actively laboring towards inheriting it, as Tolkien's Aragorn does, then what the hell has he been doing for the past eight decades? Why is he even in the story at all?
I agree. While Viggo did an absolute amazing job portraying Aragorn, it would have been so much better for him if he actually portrayed a book accurate Aragorn. I HATE that they had him be somewhat of a coward shying away from his destiny rather than an honorable man who wanted to fulfill his destiny to protect, save, and serve his people. People always show the interview that PJ had with Charlie Rose on how he wanted to tell Tolkien's story and not inject his personal beliefs into the films, well I don't believe that is entirely true. It shows with how he injected the modern sensibility that an honorable man is one that doesn't want to rule and that somehow this makes him the best man to rule and their handling of Eowyn's victory of the Witch King. The way she delivers the "I am no man" line was clearly a directive from Fran Walsh with third wave feminism in mind.
@@andrewvincent7299 - Nah, bruh. You could totally wreck the Witch King with the power of estrogen... and Charlie from LOST and his kitchen knife.
@@andrewvincent7299 The portrayal of Eowyn in the Jacksonverse was antifeminist, making her a tomboyish damsel in distress who becomes a strong female character for no reason. I prefer the book version because that's how ALL Germanic and Celtic women acted historically before Romanization and Christianization: Tolkien was NOT a suffragette, but he could have been a protofeminist.
Speaking of Saruman buying things from Shire.
I like how in the films (at least in them) they made Saruman such a hypocrite, foreshadowing his ego. In the first movie, when Saruman and Gandalf walked through the gardens of Isengard, Saruman chastised Gandalf for spending too much time around Hobbits and that their pipeweed clouded his mind. Meanwhile, he himself buys large amounts of Shire leaf and keeps it in his storage.
So true 😂
@@factorfantasyweekly Technically it wouldn't be hypocrisy, but a cover, and Saruman would say he is not ADDICTED to tobacco.
@@rikhuravidanskerhe's basically a closet user haha which in most cases is worse
@@asmooshi9752 Well, tobacco is used to reduce weight and the acrid smoke is used for colds a la hashish: Native believed it could help you commune with the gods.
In Council of Elrond, there are alternative takes of him saying "Nine companions to match the Nine Ringwraiths" instead of just "Nine companions.". There are some stuff from the books that were filmed but not included in the movies due to complexity or for pacing reasons such as Treebeard saying "You're not on the old lists" to Merry and Pippin when they tell them that they're hobbits and not orcs, referencing Treebeard going through the ents list of lviing creatures where he mentions men, elves, dwarves, ents and several animals including squirrels.
“We’ll find out who the real leader of the fellowship was, and it might not be who you think.”
My moronic brain (even though I’ve read the books and watched the movies): “It’s Gimli!!!”
Would’ve been a great surprise tho 👀😂
Minor correction, Frodo's blade breaks at the Fords, when he falls from his horse. His Barrow blade did nothing to the Witch-King other than slash the Witch-king's cloak. Aragorn even says the blade was unharmed and that no blade can survive piercing the Witch-king.
but he said frodo's words hurt witch-king not the blade
@@bahramchoobin16 Yes, more deadly was calling out the name of Elbereth!
In the two months the Fellowship stayed in Rivendell before starting their quest, did the Elves not reforge the shards of Narsil into Anduril? *in the book, that is.* My memory is a little fuzzy.
They did, and it was given to Aragorn then.
They movie way of doing it is baffling and nonsensical.
@@Welverin Yeah, Jackson and his co-writers "had an angle" in which they wanted a thematic effect to impress the audience (or something.) Or maybe it would have slowed the pacing of the film if they had the Fellowship cooling their heels at Rivendell while the Elves reforged Narsil. They also threw in that non-book bit with Aragorn getting lost in the battle with the Uruk-hai & wargs when they were escorting the Rohirrim. UNnecessary. Oh well, some changes work, some not so much. Still, all in all, we enjoyed the trilogy, right?
They did reforge the sword before the fellowship set out. Aragorn had been carrying the broken sword up to then.
They pronounce it wrong in the film. It's ca-RADH-ras, where the "dh" sounds like the voiced "th" in "the." See the rules for Sindarin stress in The Lord of the Rings.
If you’re waiting for the episode where I have perfect pronunciation, you’ll be waiting a long time 😂 I hardly speak English properly.
On my language it was always Karadras. It's mostly due to the translation rules of the foreign languages, specifically the Welsh (which I belive Sindarin is based on) Where any form of written Ds is pronounced D. So Gwynned, Blaidd on my language are pronounced Gvined and Blayd
@inspector_beyond In Welsh, d and dd are different letters. Welsh dd is what Tolkien transcribes as dh in Sindarin.
While the phonology of Sindarin is based on Welsh, the pronunciation is not identical. Tolkien gives extensive rules on the pronunciation of his languages in the appendices of The Lord of the Rings.
In the Elvish languages, words are usually stressed on the first syllable UNLESS the last two syllables end and then begin with consonants, like the dh and then r of Caradhras. Thus, the second-to-last syllable of the name is stressed.
@@factorfantasyweekly I'm not waiting for perfect pronunciation, just letting you know what the pronunciation is.
@@SuStel Yeah, I get that. I'm just explaining to you that for some languages it is impossible to replicate some sounds. Like for most of European languages it is umpossible to do "th" sounds and they are replaced with t, d and z sounds depending on what fits better. Caradhras for example on my language had to have d sound. Meanwhile in replicating generic "the" article when learning English, either d or z is used.
One small correction. Frodo's Barrow Blade broke when he was facing the Nazgul at the Ford of Bruinen, not at Weathertop. Aragorn notes at Weathertop that Frodo's blade had only cut the Rider's cloak, as the blade would have withered if it had struck the actual Nazgul.
Did he rewrite Tolkien? Absolutely.
Were all the changes necessary? Debatable.
Was he trying desperately to preserve Tolkien's voice, themes, and story? I think so.
Yes, exactly this. I didn't realize so many people have issues with the movies til now. I thought Jackson and Co. still did a good job of bringing Tolkien's characters and world to life.
The movies are the most rewatchable films in all of cinema for me.
These movies made me sick- giving scenes and lines away and creating totally ridiculous side stories
Justice for Bill!!! 😁👍
I wonder how many book purists you lost after that intermission bit.
Not a book purist, but a New Zealander and I loved the intermission.😍
Thank you for creating this series. I appreciate the amount of time and effort you place into each video. It’s apparent that you love both the book and the film versions of the trilogy. I’m enjoying following along with you and seeing whether or not I agree with your opinion.
Thanks for watching! 🙏🏼 I’m glad someone’s out there enjoying it 😊
Frodo deciding for the whole group to go through the mines is absurd! It only made sense for Gandalf to suggest that since he was the only one who knew the road and thought that he knew how to get in from the west side. How could the others (Frodo especially) decide to go somewhere where they could not enter? Also, Frodo, being a hobbit, knew almost nothing from the rest of the world. Moria was just a name of an undefined evil, nothing more for him. In the books, he decides when he is asked that he does not want to go to Moria but neither does he want to refuse Gandalf's suggestion, so they would think that next morning.
Also, in their debate, there is a great moment for Aragorn who foresees trouble for Gandalf in Moria and warns him that it is not for Frodo or the ring that he worries, but for him and that if they enter Moria, Gandalf should be extra careful
That scene always annoyed me. Frodo falls on the snow and the ring, chain and all, falls free. Then he gets held upside down by the watcher, but the ring stays put. Could chalk it up to the malice of the ring, knowing Boromir was an easy target..but still...
I made a batch of lembas to enjoy while I watch these videos. I love your analyses and agree with nearly all of them. I love both the books and the movies and will never grow tired of them. ❤
I hate the ways Jackson altered the books.
I never got the impression that Boromir, specifically, was weak and corrupted but represented how men of power as a whole would handle the ring.
I didn't care for the scene where Boromir gives up the ring.
Of course Jackson totally rewrote Tolkien. I've said from the moment I saw the films in their first run in theaters that Jackson did not really understand what Tolkien wrote and butchered it fundamentally changing the story. No, I don't mean merely adapting it to screen.
Giving Caradhras a personality is brilliant world-building by Tolkien, again. But I understand they skipped this.
So... Aragorn and Arwen are first cousins?
More justice for Bill the Pony!
"Even if they are spies, they assume they're spies of Sauron. At this point Saruman is not on their minds at all..." (14:56) I don't think that's so. Aragorn says "I think they're spying out the land", but doesn't say for whom he things they're spying. Then, on the next page, in the discussion between Aragorn and Gandalf about what route they should take, he says "Further south there are no passes, till one comes to the Gap of Rohan. I do not trust that way since your news of Saruman...", so Saruman is certainly on his mind a short while later.
Agreed! I think Gandalf is very aware that Saruman has turned, due to his imprisonment. But as for the rest of the fellowship, the primary evil on their mind is Sauron. The members repeatedly will say the “enemy” or “sauron” by name when speaking to the evil they’re facing. They don’t really mention Saruman a lot. Even in the next chapter when they fight some wargs, Gandalf calls them “Hounds of Sauron”, whereas in the movie they show Saruman releasing wargs.
The movie makes it clear that for this first part of the journey Saruman is the enemy, and the fellowship knows it. Almost like he’s the level 1 boss fight. 😂 And Sauron is just taking a back seat until Saruman loses. But in the book, it’s clear that they believe Sauron is against them from day 1 and Saruman is just another inconvenience, but not the main problem.
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Aragorn as a child may have needed to hide his identity, but as the ring has come to the fore, he knows his destiny as a man and is not afraid of it. I've described him practically bellowing his identity everywhere he goes. While that's not QUITE the case, he announces his name proudly and without a trace of trepidation once things get moving. He knew what he must do when the time was right, and he knew the time was right. All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be the blade that was broken; The crownless again shall be king. Upon Frodo reading those words, Aragorn produces the blade that was broken and explained what it was.
The sword training with Boromir is ESSENTIAL to this movie because otherwise Boromir has no redeeming value in the movies. Boromir is a GOOD AND INCREDIBLY HONORABLE man, and the movies turn him into such a villain that he almost may as well be Bill Ferney!
Jackson wanted the films to be accurate, why the films are different? well, the film was also written by two women. they gave aragorn's girlfriend more screentime and more dialogue and more powers they also changed who killed Sauron, wich we know was miranda otto.
Say it like it is
I wish they would've included the 4 Nazgul questioning Saruman, which would explain why there was only 5 at Weathertop.
I think that Boromir has a lot of scenes that show him being good not only the sword training cause later in the mountains he takes care of merry and pippin and points out how hobbits cant continue on this path, later he protects hobbits from watcher and troll tho thats group effort and then he saves frodo from making suicidal run towards bridge and same with gimli after they leave the main and gimli wants to go back to fight + he wants to give hobbits time to grief and of course the last stand he has to defend merry and pippin and his first words when aragorn comes is showing concern for "the little ones"
“Who evidently speaks bird” 😂
But hang on does that mean Arwen is Aragorn’s cousin, cuz I never heard any mention of incest happening in Tolkien’s universe?? I would’ve expected that from GoT but not from Tolkien
Bill deserved justice, all know he would have joined them all the way if he could 😂 depending on his mood he either kills the Witch-King or destroys the Ring
"No man can kill me-"
"Neigh, neigh! (I'm a pony you egotistical edgelord)"
I disagree with you that Aragorn is the leader of the party. Rather, I would say that Aragorn and Gandalf together lead the party and plan together. When Gandalf again suggests that they travel through Moria, Aragorn comments that "I accept your proposal since you have not complained about my disastrous and failed 'leadership'". It was Aragorn's idea to try the Redhorn Gate (over the mountains) first.
In fact, however, when Gandalf falls with the Balrog, Aragorn takes over leadership. On several occasions he defines it just like that - that in Gandalf's absence leadership fell on him, thus confirming that he did not hold leadership as long as Gandalf was around.
Wait if Elonrld is his uncle and Elrond was Arwens father that means they are cousins
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He's not his uncle. Aragorn is a distant descendant of Elrond's brother Elros.
@@Mathemagical55 He meant uncle times 50 generations, I believe.
When Aragorn first meets Arwen, they discuss that lineage briefly and she concludes, "Then we are cousins from afar."
i am frankly shocked that you didn’t mention that in the book Frodo didn’t leave the shire until 17 years after Bilbo left. the movie made it seem that mere weeks or months had passed.
This is episode 12 in a series. Check out episode 3 for my analysis of that major difference!
I would say that Tolkien implies that it is Sauron - not Saruman - who pours snow on the company in the book. Saruman is not even mentioned. However, Boromir, Gimli and Gandalf say the following:
'I wonder if this is a contrivance of the Enemy,' said Boromir. "They say in my land that he can govern the storms in the Mountains of Shadow that stand upon the borders of Mordor. He has strange powers and many allies.'
'His arm has grown long indeed,' said Gimli, `if he can draw snow down from the North to trouble us here three hundred leagues away.'
'His arm has grown long,' said Gandalf.
It is Peter Jackson who generally wants to give Saruman more space in the first two films. In the book, he only really gets space on three occasions: When he captures Gandalf. When he is fought during the Battle of Rohan. And towards the end during The Scouring of the Shire. Otherwise, Sauron is the single dominant antagonist.
More love to Bill the pony. He disappears from much of their travels and then is prominent at Moria. Aragorn turns Bill loose to find his way home through orc infested lands, as well the normal dangers of the wild. (Film version) His importance is minimized too much in the movies.
You mention Peter Jackson's cuts as interpretation but it really isn't an interpretation as it is a condensing of the books. Kinda a different thing. So you might say what would you cut out and change in order to take a book that would be a 15 hour movie to make it a 3 hour one. Did he make the right cuts and adjustments to maintain the story?
No! Frodo did *_not_* stab a Nazgûl at Weathertop. Aragorn establishes that the only thing that Frodo did, was rip apart part of the Nazgûl's cloth.
Small nitpick, in the appendices, Tolkien states that -dh- makes a hard -th- sound as in the or that. So Caradhras should not sound like car-a-dras, but car-a-thras.
A request: I would like the titles of these videos to improve. They need to have one clear heading so I know that this is part of this series. I didn’t even know that this was the next movie in your series. Just a thought.
Should've just let Gimli be able to bust the Ring with a second hammer.😅
I just noticed
With the moment aragorn has with elrond he has blue eyes
Other scenes he has brown eyes
what works in writing is not the same as what works on film...while i agree that i would like to see an 'extended' extended edition, i am not going to whinge too much... 😎
great content keep it up, mutch love from the netherlands
One thing I would like to have it pointed out, hardly anyone notices this from the book, but Aragorn has a specific reason for not wanting to go through Moria. And he voices it to Gandalf, “it is not for the company itself, but to you Gandalf, that I speak. If you pass through the doors of Moria, Beware.”
This actually gives Gandalf Pause and slight hesitation. He even says to the rest of those who heard this comment that if one of the Men of the West tells you something like this, you should pay attention. He hints here without saying it that men also have some powers of foresight, and he trusts that Aragorn is probably/possibly seeing something of their future path. Which I just think is so cool and so deep! This part of Aragorn and his wisdom and even hint of otherworldly bits of power himself, is unfortunately totally lost in the movie. It did not fit with the character arc they went with, so understandable. But a shame still. @factorfantasyweekly
Yes, this is a great part of the book!
1:28 I’ve always wondered about the ruined castle which the Fellowship passes when climbing up into the mountains. Is it a real castle in New Zealand (if so, what is its name), or is it a digital insert? And what is it supposed to be in Tolkien’s world?
My guess is that it’s an abandoned elven city in Eregion, dating back to the time when the elves and dwarves worked together in friendship during Kazad Dum’s early days.
Yep! They pass through Hollin, which means those are the ruins of Eregion. I believe added for the film. That would be super cool if it was there already, but I don’t think New Zealand is known for its castles. 😂
Let the ring-bearer decide. Here and now, freezing cold, hit by an avalanche moments ago, without having the context to make the decision.
Wait wait wait wait that mean omg so he married his 2 cousin
Justice for Bill the Pony!
Would a Fellowship even have a leader?
Frodo's sword only cuts through the edge of the Witch king's cloak. That explains why Frodo's sword is NOT destroyed on Weathertop.
However, the Witch king exerts some kind of Jedi power on Frodo's sword at the ford. He raises his hand and Frodo's raised sword shatters and falls from his hand.
Aragorn not only embraces his destiny, he actually goes into each of the kingdoms, fights in wars, becomes a great captain in each, and then jounies into even the evil kingdoms of men to learn their secrets.
Fore for none but the combined king of Arnor and Gondor would Elrond allow his daughter to marry (even if Aragorn was his Godson)
Its all good stuff....so I'll roll with it. lol
Exactly. It works well in the movies so I'll take it. It's far from the blaspheme children's writing happening in that god-forsaken TV series being released these days.
@@ComedyBros5 yeah way far from the blaspheme called The Rings of Power! ;)
@@pentegarn1 We mustn't call it by name.
@@ComedyBros5 Sorry....my bad. lol
"Who evendently speaks bird" 🤣🤣🤣
None can resist the tweets of Saruman
I did indeed, thanks for asking.
4:49 Of course he speaks bird, he's a Maia!
7:40 That is an ongoing theme to many of the changes they made. They wanted to maintain a sense of urgency and there being a looming threat, and it would be hard to do that if everyone is constantly stopping and waiting around.
It one thing I do not fault them for and is a justifiable reason for changing things.
Bill got a card not only in the Middle-Earth CCG, but in last years Magic the Gathering LotR set.
So, some people give Bill the respect he deserves.
I love your dramatic titles, especially considering how balanced you are in the videos themselves! 😂
Gotta keep people on their toes. 👀
I've always liked Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings and disliked J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. In my personal opinion, J.R.R. Tolkien beat around the bush; Peter Jackson gets right to the point.
Changes like this happen with literally every novel adapted into a movie.
No. And you don't know what "literally" means.
Notwithstanding everything, I'm grateful that these movies were made and I lived to see them.,Never thought that I would actually see anything at all that was even an approximation of the books
After the Ralph Bakshi rotoscoped version of the Fellowship and the animated Return of the King with the regrettable Glenn Yarbrough soundtrack I was ecstatic.
@@chrisvickers7928 yeah, oh boy yeah
Your clickbaity titles make me not watch your videos until days later, when I realize it's your channel and I've been waiting for them. :p
😂 It’s not clickbait if it’s the truth!
Yes, Peter took some dramatic licenses - but consider this. It took years and 3 movies and so much COMMITMENT from all concerned (let alone the financing) to get the saga onto the big screen. Could he really have done otherwise in order to bring the books to life SO WELL?! - I think not. It is imperfect but also it is the sort of imperfection that I can easily watch and rewatch without it spoiling my enjoyment of the books...
When adapting a book to a movie there are always changes, things added, things left out, mainly because your telling a story through a toyally different medium.
In books you can do just about anything you imagine, plus you have the advantage of naration at anytime, specially to introduce new characters and tell the reader who they are, what they are thinking. Books you can tell, movies you have to show and are resricted by time and pacing to keep the audience engaged and entertained. You comstantly have to omit characters or squish some together, others that are omited you give their parts to several different characters. Moving important things from one character to another and or present at different times.A very good adaptation is when after watching the movie and reading the book (s) you come away with reconizing them telling basicly the same story.
To do a word by word movie of book (s) in most cases you would lose the audience interest very quickly, specially with a series as detailed as Lord of the Rings, told by J.R.R. Tolkien was a master story teller and poet that was a PhD in several languages, that outshines most likely the whole writing staff for the movie.
Overall I was happy with Jackson's adaptation, after watching it I was happy to go back and reread the books again with him visually helping me reimafine the story. I doubt we will ever get a better adaptation unless they some way change rhe wat movies are made and presented to the audience.
Take a look at the butchering the show Rings of Power is doing to Tolkiens work, if you need any evidence of a bad adaptation
I’ve been reading and rereading the books for over 40 years now. While I absolutely love the scenery in the films, I have an extremely tough time sitting through them because of all the changes from the books. My wife watches the movies at least once a year and couldn’t understand why I never watched with her… until she read the books for the first time.
I'll never forget the first time i saw the trailer for fellowship
So Aragorn and Arwen are related. Gross
Best films in existance
Well, it is different from the books cause you don't have a few days to watch one movie and remember this is the second film we have about the story.