Regarding the relationship between Thetis and Zeus and the relationship between Hera and Hephaestus. (This is off the top of my head so it may not be completely correct) Cronos usurps his father Uranus and Zeus usurps his father Cronos. As a consequence Zeus is told that he will be usurped in turn. This relates to his relationship with Thetis. At one point he desired her but was told that she would bear a son greater than his father. So Zeus backs off on account of the prophecy of his usurpation. And Thetis bears Achilles, a son indeed greater than his father Peleus. This brings light to Thetis’ prayer to Zeus and his strange silence. He is in some way compelled to answer her prayer. It also explains Heras immediate suspicion and anger. Regarding Hephaestus: There’s one account that Hera produced Hephaestus without Zeus out of jealously for Zeus producing Athena without her. And in this account Hephaestus is born lame and Hera hurls him from Olympus in disgust and shame. Again, this is off the top of my head so I may be mistaken.
@@AscendTheGreatBooksPodcast I jumped in before the Edith Hamilton correction on Hephaestus and Hera. I'm enjoying the podcast so far and looking forward to the rest of the year.
How apropos!!!! I just started reading the lliad for the first time after trying a few times and I cant reccomend it enough...for anyone on the fence by the time you get to book 2 or 3 you get the flow of thing's and it becomes super easy and surprisingly fun to read. My tip is to circle the name any time it says "x speaks" as the book is really a bunch of speeches intermixed with brutal fight scenes. Just know as these gentlemen say the book begins at year 9 of a 10 year war. Which threw me off at first.
What a great time to be alive!
Immediate subscribe. Love the pace and approach. Wish it would be faster than 20 years but it is what it is 😂
Glad to have you join us! The Iliad is worth it.
Regarding the relationship between Thetis and Zeus and the relationship between Hera and Hephaestus. (This is off the top of my head so it may not be completely correct)
Cronos usurps his father Uranus and Zeus usurps his father Cronos.
As a consequence Zeus is told that he will be usurped in turn.
This relates to his relationship with Thetis.
At one point he desired her but was told that she would bear a son greater than his father. So Zeus backs off on account of the prophecy of his usurpation. And Thetis bears Achilles, a son indeed greater than his father Peleus. This brings light to Thetis’ prayer to Zeus and his strange silence. He is in some way compelled to answer her prayer. It also explains Heras immediate suspicion and anger.
Regarding Hephaestus:
There’s one account that Hera produced Hephaestus without Zeus out of jealously for Zeus producing Athena without her. And in this account Hephaestus is born lame and Hera hurls him from Olympus in disgust and shame.
Again, this is off the top of my head so I may be mistaken.
This is great!
@@AscendTheGreatBooksPodcast I jumped in before the Edith Hamilton correction on Hephaestus and Hera. I'm enjoying the podcast so far and looking forward to the rest of the year.
Starting late today. Hope Troy is still standing.
Welcome aboard! The Iliad is worth your time.
This is great analysis and could be used for schools too! I like this
Thank you!
I wish you'll be here 20 years from now
How apropos!!!! I just started reading the lliad for the first time after trying a few times and I cant reccomend it enough...for anyone on the fence by the time you get to book 2 or 3 you get the flow of thing's and it becomes super easy and surprisingly fun to read. My tip is to circle the name any time it says "x speaks" as the book is really a bunch of speeches intermixed with brutal fight scenes.
Just know as these gentlemen say the book begins at year 9 of a 10 year war. Which threw me off at first.
Congrats on starting the Iliad!
it's pre Aristotelian virtue. Virtue as potency. As what wins.
Camões invokes the muses in his Os Lusiadas, his epic poem about Vasco da Gama
Damn. Y'all stole my idea. That you didn't know I had... that we all arrived at independently...damn.
You could still do it with a different spin?
presumptuous, right?