How Do I Call Out My Boss’s Kid
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- How Do I Call Out My Boss’s Kid
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i used to work for a real estate and development company where the 2 sons openly came to work high, worked whenever they wanted and were automatically given prestigious leadership roles in the company with zero accountability or having to work for their positions. i'm so glad they fired me
I've Worked 52 years I've seen many Red Flags. Dealing with family it's best just to move on. Take the time to find something else. Once you have secured another position give proper notice. Dealing with family it's best to just let go.
Most of the time it's best not dealing with family in businesses.
Good luck
Joel
I’m sure Dave has some talent in the building but the reality is when you go work for someone who has kids in the organization they will eventually take over.
I work for my dad, if I was slacking off and not doing my job and someone said something to him. You would earn an infinite amount of respect to him and he wouldn’t be afraid to fire me in front of everyone.
Depends on the leadership team.
If you're raised by someone like that, you aren't likely to be misbehaving.
@@bengunderson712if you ever worked with kids of the boss you'll know that this is an anomaly 98% of the time if you say something you're going to be on the chopping block
I worked a family-owned business for 30 years. The third generation is in charge of the business now. I've had conversations with the current president over the years and he would tell me about the expectations of family members who are in the business. They always set the bar high for themselves and treat all employees no different than themselves. It was a great company to work for. I wish everyone could say the same about their employers.
We all worked at a place like that. Leave or accept it. Dave is right here.
I love Dave, and I know what he means, but there is no way that I am going to tell my boss that I am going to “love his child well”😂
Have this conversation with the owner. Also have an escape plan. Even if the owner supports you in disciplining his son initially, you never know how this plays tomorrow. If it all works out ok over the next few months, then you can can the escape plan.
I had a wonderful experience in a restaurant. Our waiter was the owners son. He had started as a youngster moping floors and scrubbing the kitchen, then as a busser, and now as a waiter. He explained his dad would have him running the register in the future and then his dad would teach him how to run the business. Then his dad would hand it over. BTW he was a very competant waiter and quite sweet.
That is a good father and business owner, having his son start at the bottom and work his way up.
Also working ALL of the roles in the business, very good way to train him for the future. Nothing worse than a boss who 'thinks' they know about a role, but knows nothing.
My grandpa used to be a business consultant for big multimillion dollar companies that were failing and he would go in and figure out where the problem was. Many times he would go to the owner and say “ok I found the problem, you need to fire so-in-so, his department is dragging the whole company down”
And the owner would say “ I can’t fire him, he’s my nephew/father-in-law/brother-in-law etc. etc.
Colleague’s husband worked for a family business for many years, and worked his way up to the top position of responsibility and trust. Then the owner’s children graduated college, came into the business, and took over the top positions.
Nepotism is real. If you work for a ‘family’ business, just know that you will never be promoted over jr. as long as you’re getting compensated and you’re ok with your place in the business,you have no problems.
@@derekcox6531 The family certainly isn’t wrong, but to the employee, it would feel like a betrayal to watch those kids grow up, teach them how to do things, sometimes from the time they are children, and then have them displace you and hurt your family’s dreams.
Nice story Dave tells himself about his kids “starting at a disadvantage”. Here I thought we were supposed to live in reality. Daddy is the boss is one of the biggest advantages ever.
Depends. I have worked for my father on 2 different occasions. At first, it was a disadvantage because he didn’t want to show favoritism. So I was the lowest paid and always had the worst jobs to do. And he’s the kind that wouldn’t be afraid to fire me on the spot.
I left, got more experience, education, came back and now work for him again.
It really depends on the parent and the kid.
This is the disadvantage he was talking about - being resented by the team. I'm sure every one of the coworkers felt the same way you do
@@ProbablyBased being resented by the team is not a disadvantage… don’t tell me going from selling ads to president of the company has NOTHING to do with daddy. While it may be hard to prove yourself early the moment you do, flood gates open while normal employees still have prove themselves but never have the same upside. 🥴
Cry about it.
@@Jdeeeeezy174 shut up mamas boy
I had a job like this. Owner put his 19 year old daughter in charge of 5 accounts. I had a problem at my account with a subordinate, who refused flat out to do what he was supposed to and refused to listen to me. I went to her with this problem. He was inappropriately interacting with the female janitors. She was not interesting in doing anything job related, just gushing over any "cute" guy under her, or at the accounts. Ugh. She was the apple of daddy's eye. I didn't even bother to complain, I just found a new job.
I agree I ran a large retail store for a man who wanted to step back as I became more successful at my job. Then he started putting relatives under my authority. they counted against my labor budget, but I had no way to correct their lack of work skills or effort. Since I was partially paid for profit, this led to my leaving in less than a year. And for the owner there were hard feelings all around. Myself, the employees that saw what was happening, the family members that caused the issue, I mean everyone was angry and His business lost about 30% of sales. Needless to say, he was back in the office not playing the golf he was hoping for.
Even if you do it the way Dave says there is a 90% chance it will fail badly. If you make it work it will bring generational change to that person so it is huge but you are playing with fire. The dysfunction has got this far it won’t be easy to fix. It’s not just a conversation and the boss does what you and the team thinks is right. They know what’s wrong already so whatever is causing them to allow it is a big deal and a chat won’t make that better.
In these types of businesses, they just move the under performer around. I’ve seen someone go from PM to assistant to receptionist to marketing. Won’t just let them go!
Basic description of the Peter principle
Dave had me up until breakfast with jr EVERY Friday morning.
And he has breakfast with them every Tuesday morning so that's two days a week that he gets to come in probably at 11:00😂
You can't call out the owner's underperforming spouse either. I worked for two separate family businesses. The only thing I learned is to never work for a family owned business.
Dave reads letter and says "Dear Lampo: You cannot criticize my kids."
There is no fair exchange when working for someone else. Just accept the terms and conditions. Everyone is always just looking out for "#1" so maybe it's time for someone to read this and become that #1.
the problem is even you work for e.g. fortune 500 those people also a paycheck earner just have a higher title trying to manipulate
Yes, the fact that the owner even allowed this situation in the first place, is the real problem here. The owner is responsible for creating this mess, and if you're the "messenger" bringing it to his attention now, the retaliation will likely fall on you. These types of toxic family systems go wrong from the top down. Spare yourself the fallout from that conversation, apply for another job and get out.
This is the format for all these types of phone in for help shows.
Q: "I have a problem, what should I do?"
A: "Well, the fact that you have a problem shows that you have a problem. So clearly it's a big problem and you need to get out of it."
I think this one was from Fernando from Barcelona.
Hahaha yes exactly. When your dad owns the f1 team and is worth 5 billion, you get to drive the car no matter what. Pretty sad lol
I would have another job in my back pocket. In addition, it would depend on how bad the relative was. There are also sorts of variables that affect a leader other than a relative assessment shows that a majority of the experience was positive then I’d consider myself lucky and all I had to deal with is one idiot relative if the owner is unresponsive
One point- don’t single out the owners kid, but focus on the “categories” of issues which the owners kid faces
Keeping it political often means changing the conversation to be collectivist
This hardly ever works in my experience. We have a fairly middle sized team at work and we have 2-3 people that always go out of their way to not do things correctly. Boss is aware of the issues, but doesn't want anyone to "hurt feelings" so instead of calling them out or meeting with them individually, we always have a group meeting where we highlight the issue we keep seeing from "the team." Since they never get individually called out or met with, the same people who don't do things right, continue to not do things right and the people doing their jobs correctly get mad/frustrated for having to continually get called out when they are doing things right. It's a very ineffective way to manage.
Crazy how Dave's son was such a rockstar that he became president, definitely no nepotism involved 🤡
What issue is there with a private family business passing a family business to the next generation family??
@@Okielogian none and I would do the same in his shoes but let’s call a spade a spade and stop with this my kid was the best qualified bs
Im so fearful of looking like a moron or making a mistake because my worth as a son has been tied to my performance in business. It can go the other way as well.
Record them, and show the boss
yeah it's the boss's kid, you just gotta leave
“Neat, you’re fired”
The boss isn’t required to fire their own kid dummy. Lol
What were you doing recording him you didn't have anything better to do😂
The boss may both address the problem, and shoot the messenger.
Can be a business run by a family or a family business. First, its possible as long as true accountability. Never and I mean NEVER work for a family business.
Got no problems with family businesses it's the same as all the other businesses. If you work for a company with the expectation its going to give you the job of CEO or something in a few years, meanwhile their son is being trained for that job, whose fault is it that your expectation is just bonkers? If you don't expect to be treated like one of the family then what's the problem?
@gorkyd7912 big difference between unmet or unrealistic expectations and complete unreliability and lack of accountability. It's a recipe for disaster of both the family and the business. I've seen it happen multiple times.
None of this means anything if other junior leaders in the company did not also get a "Daniel committee". Otherwise it is just more nepotism and special treatment of the boss' kid. It is amazing how they always get picked over long-time employees.
And how they never think anything's wrong with it and how they will actually say he goes out to breakfast with him every Tuesday and then they meet with somebody else for breakfast every Friday😂 so you get to come into work 2 days a week late😂 with company paid breakfast
@@JacobsNews People really think the company's purpose is to set up one of the employees as the future owner?
@@gorkyd7912 Yes, and that will be your best employee. He will work a few years till complete burn out 😆 🤣. In small companies, it's very common to hear in especially blue collar . (You are going to be running this company one day ).. and jobs will be different. Dave's company has very high paying jobs versus my company, which is retail and can't support high paying positions . But trust me, there's a bunch of guys at Ramsey's that thought they're going to be CEOs one day before the kids came in ....
@gorkyd7912 Yes, and that will be your best employee. He will work a few years till complete burn out . In small companies, it's very common to hear especially blue collar . (You are going to be running this company one day ).. and jobs will be different. Dave's company has very high paying jobs versus my company, which is retail and can't support high paying positions . But trust me, there's a bunch of guys at Ramsey's that think they're going to be CEOs one day before the kids came in ....
@@JacobsNews Well it's delusional thinking most of the time. A small or mid-sized company doesn't really need a CEO, the owner does that stuff and when they want to retire they either hire a bunch of separate managers to take over the roles or they sell. When employee end up as the CEO it's usually because they saved up, got a big loan, or went into a partnership with someone else to buy the company.
For once.....just for once.....I want Dave to say Half ass
Rachel Cruze hasn't walked the walk but she has a job. Lucky for her she is watchable compared to the other disciples.
Just curious, what do you mean that Rachel "hasn't walked the walk"?
@@AllynHin He means she's an attractive woman and therefore can't possibly be competent in her actual job responsibilities.
That's all he *can* mean. He certainly can't actually know what he's talking about.
@@AllynHinshe grew up wealthy. She has never gone broke. She has a rich husband too. Any other obvious answers you require?
she did not "grow up rich"
Read the book Smart money smart kids. It will show you that Ramsey did not treat his kids with kid gloves. They run the company and seem to be doing a good job.
If they were not brought up properly, they'd be all over the place being drunk, high or partying. I think you just highlighted Dave's biggest success. His kids.
Not possible….
All his kids work for him he can’t comment objectively
Two things: The relationship between his boss and his children is none of another employee's business. The employees need to keep their heads down and do their own jobs. And, the employees need to understand that the children will eventually get the leadership positions. So, stay as long as you need to stay to build your skills and your resume, then move on. You will never lead the business.
I wouldnt even call them out on it. ebacsue they are the ko=ids of the owner. I have seen tis myself but these people eventually bought the business down because of those kids
Dave Ramsey is a good leader. All his children work for his business. They are very professional, get the job done and know how to compartmentalize things, when they are at work. They call him Dave. When they leave work, they call him Dad. Very responsible children. Dave will fire them in a heartbeat if they were to slack off. I need to do this with my daughter. She is not quite there yet. She will have to learn to call me Mama Jojo like everyone else instead of mom when she is working for me, Dave is a very very good leader and father and husband.
Don't believe everything you hear on RUclips😂😂 he said the son gets to go out for breakfast twice a week😂
I see this all the time. It's a bad position to be in. Get another job lined up before you speak up.
Nerp!
That advice sounds like you are asking the boss for permission to PARENT him. That’s a no
you don't you get another job...
I think Dave needs to take a little more time reading and understanding the question before he starts answering it. There is nothing in the question to say the owner is sanctioning the poor performance and it is clear that the person writing in is the kid's manager. The first step is just to treat the kid like you would treat anyone else and see what happens. If they try to play the "my parent is the owner" card, then you need to go to their parent. If it gets to the point where, with anyone else, you would be managing them out of the business, then you need to go to their parent. Otherwise, their parent has nothing to do with it. They are an adult, so treat them like one.
You can't. Never work for a family company for this reason.
this isn't universally true, but it's common enough to be a rule of thumb unfortunately
So if the Family company pay you better, gives you more favorable hours, and is nicer to you, than other companies would- you still shouldn’t work for them if the boss’s child is treated *slightly* better? Odd
@anacorreia8058 Yup. And then started my own company! But there are way more companies out there, one should never put up with favoritism.
Namaste.
@anacorreia8058 I wouldn't work anywhere that tolerated favoritism.
I had a similar experience as this caller which is why I decided to start my own company, I was fed up.
Not sure why my original comment was deleted. Namaste.
@@TS6815strange you should use that expression. Rule of thumb was the thickest piece of wood you could beat your wife with. Old English law.😂
So Dave actually thinks Rachel is effective at her job? Ok............ 🙄
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