Why “Work Smart, Not Hard” Is Wrong (with Mike Rowe)
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Rule #1. Don't ever take advice from somebody who ended up being a high school guidance counselor.
😂😂😂 spot on 😂😂😂😂
That's actually something that I would like to do, but I have a successful 40 year career as a Trauma/Life Flight/ICU and military nurse.
I could give students realistic information from a lifetime of failures and successes.
Just because someone doesn't make a lot of money doesn't mean they are always going to be wrong.
"Ending up" is probably a bit better than starting up as guidance counselor right out of college at the age of 25.
@@Absaalookemensch exactly, those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.
I worked with a retired teacher. He told me “education is a great thing but it doesn’t hurt to know how to weld”.
My 90 year old dad once remarked "not everyone can make a living with a damn computer; somebody has to ACTUALLY DO something"!!
It’s okay to start off working “hard” but you don’t have to be that guy for life
It isn't just computers though. It's also robotics. Robotics and programming together can accomplish more than 100 men.
@@martinramirezmi5457or you can be! There’s nothing wrong with working hard to make a living. Seems everyone wants to sit at a desk and do nothing for lots of money these days!
Your dad is right!! Too many sissies don't want to do anything physical!
@@martinramirezmi5457if you can work smart and have a useful career making a nice income it’s great. But some kids just hate school because what’s taught is boring as hell for them. I was one of them. I learned multiple trades and have never been unemployed 1 day of my life . I retired early and have a nest egg of more then I earned in my entire working career that increases every year. Because I also learned how to invest by reading books. I don’t feel special at all because what I did was natural for me, but everyone in my family who has any issues always calls me for advice . And I’m very careful how I offer ideas for situations and usually give a couple solutions for problems. But knowing residential plumbing, carpentry, electrical, hvac even if not being an expert in any of them but knowing repair and installation properly as I got older allowed me to never get ripped off by a contractor who was a good salesman but poor technician in the field. One other thing hard work sometimes is very healthy for you in every way.
We had a critical part break. This part is no longer available. The computer tappers were at a complete loss. My coworker, looked at it and fabricated a replacement from scratch in one day and returned the equipment to service. This person, no vocational school, no degree. Just a smart and talented individual.
Some folks have to buy a $40,000 car with a warranty so it doesn't break down. A person with some practical mechanical skill can drive a $3500 car with no warranty because if something breaks he can probably fix it with basic tools. I'm a computer tapper myself but being from poverty I have patched broken brake lines with a rubber glove well enough to limp home. I've reattached a steering pump pulley with some hand-flattened tie wire just a couple weeks ago when the nut stripped out.
I went to college for four years. At 50 years old, I am a painter, a roofer, a plumber, a mechanic, a husband and a father. I never should have gone to school without a solid plan.
i just turned 30. i felt this as well recently. i wish i should've thought more carefully about why i want to go to college instead of just going with the flow. for any high school students reading, i recommend taking a year or so off before going to college and explore life as much as possible if you can and have support.
@@KhmerH20 I'm 32 and happy with my engineering degree and career, but I also remember how much pressure there was from parents, teachers, school advisors to go to college because it was seen by them as the only way to be successful. I was in a position where I thought I was going to be a welder, but happened to be good with academics, so they pushed for me to go into engineering and made student loans out to be nothing to worry about. This was the mentality toward any student really, regardless of their prospects or interests. Then even at 17 years old when I graduated, I could easily sign up for a stupid amount of loans in less than 30min online, but couldn't buy a scratcher at the gas station. Looking back now, we know that a huge number of loans were not being paid back even at that time. They're very plainly sub-prime loans. The government didn't care because it's the government. The private lenders don't care because the loans aren't forgivable in bankruptcy and they know that the government won't let them all fail together, so they don't care. It's financial statutory rape and it took too long for people to realize it
I just did a legit online college through my workplace and graduated in 2 years at 2 classes/quarter and some Sophia courses. While it was nice to finish up a Bachelors and pay nothing out of pocket, there's no way I'd have done it without my workplace paying. It was not worth the time, the skills(way behind on tech), and seeing how many people can't even speak English or type it trying to take college courses. It was like 7th or 8th grade level teaching in some of the required courses. College has been dumbed down while prices were inflated. If I'd paid for that 2 years it'd have been $60k for an online degree. It was only worth the piece of paper to say I did it, nothing else. It was an empty feeling when I graduated a few months go.
And like you--I'm a father, warehouse worker, been a supervisor, small time farmer, and CDL truck driver. And now I'm in cybersecurity and IT looking for a job. Good luck to me!
Same!
Well sir, I’m all that and still an engineer. Such is life.
I was always told Work Smarter Not Harder. Which I was told meant that when your working hard, be smarter about the work your doing. Be efficient in your work.
I was always told work hard. Even from my father who is a successful businessman. It wasn’t until I was older that I learned the importance of working smarter. I too understood the importance of working hard, but that it wasn’t enough. I wish I had understood, at an earlier age, that working smarter is knowing where to apply your hard work. That hard work bears fruit through persistence and consistency over time. Not necessarily through working yourself into the ground in the short term for the sake of “working hard.”
Exactly. Working smarter doesn't mean a college degree. It means being more intentional on what you are doing so you can make as much as you can with less job injury.
It does not matter how you do it, if you're not making money you're in over your head.🤪
@@NikoXC08 it doesn't matter how and what you're doing - if you're not making money, nothing else matters.
You can think up something absolutely life changing but if there is no one to build it is it actually life changing? As Mike said you need both parts and it's even better when both parts can be done by the same person.
35yrs ago dropped outta college stumbled into being a mechanic. Working for a county bus company for 27yrs at top pay, making 6 figures with bennies & pension.
Working on cutting edge tech daily. I am blessed
Be sure to thank your local taxpayer.
25 years old male here. Never went to trade school, never went to college. Got a blue collar job clearing $110,000 a year starting off with no experience or certifications nor did a “buddy” help me get the job. I travel the entire country & everyday at work is an adventure. It comes at a cost though. I work 70+ hour a week & the work is laborious, but I love every moment & I am so proud. I have no bills & save every dollar. Yes, to be successful you have to do things you don’t want to. Not everything is about you, your comfort, or your rights. You have to sacrifice.
Great job
Well done! What kind of work do you do to make that salary?
so you're a truck driver
@@connor_flanigan oil & gas pipeliner
Great job.....sounds like you do long distance truck driving.
Yes. It's "Work smart AND hard".
Yes
True, they are not mutually exclusive - excellent observation.
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And usually people never get to the point of working smart because unless they work hard first.
I've known many of the higher professional class,lawyers,accountants and healthcare that work 60 plus hours a week for many years. It's not until 25,30 years later can they come down to a normal work week
My grandpa was a welder and took pride in his work. It's sad to see traditional careers losing their luster. I shifted from traditional jobs to focus on my research, resulting initially to $1.3M returns in 14 months. Today's info access has opened endless possibilities
It's unfair how trades are often looked down upon. Your mention of returns raises my question, how do you tell between results driven by research and plain luck? the role of luck is downplayed in investing
because consistent outcomes aren't luck. research was the challenge until it led to Emily Ava Milligan, a top fund manager, her strategy made 340k into this and counting
after I pasted her name into my browser, her page was the first thing i found. from our interaction It's clear she's in high demand. Your example is so tangible. I wish I'd had this to reference earlier. Thanks a lot
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Mike Rowe is beautifully eloquent and clear in his message.
i could listen to him all day
It's because he's having the same conversation over and over and over again, so he's well practiced at it and pulling the specific examples that are most relevant to the specific situation.
A surprise prompting in a casual setting where the speaker does not spend hours specifically preparing for this, nor do they have repeated discussions of the specific subject will yield a different impression.
It's about practice and preparation more than just knowing, and Mike Rowe is very good at this. The many related conversations that I'm sure he's had with the tradesmen across the various industries he's worked in for his Dirty Jobs show also benefits these conversation skills.
Want a date with him?
Working smart usually means working efficiently. The title is misleading but the message is right on the money.
Even being efficient with the wrong path is a failure. In my area of work we call it “All thrust, no vector” and it leads to death. Even “efficient thrust, no vector” will get you killed
I can’t help but think of the old joke that efficiency is just laziness productively applied.
@@stog9821 In my line of work efficiency is rewarded in pay raises and promotions. I work in marketing.
Military, hvac school, became a utility worker. Zero debt & been making over 200k for the passed 10 years. Zero debt. My wife a lawyer with loads of debt and does not make what I make. I love my career and plan to retire at 55 to manage my properties. My friends with degrees are in/out of work, some still live at home bc of debt.
I'm so happy 4 u.
🎉🎉👍👍
My just got a job servicing AC units. Any advice for 21 year old just staring out . I would appreciate it very much . Thanks
*200k per year during the past 10 years* but as a 1st gen immigrant, you did surprisingly well!
Same boat. My wife is an attorney with a bunch of loans that we paid off. I'm using my GI Bill to go back to school for supply chain management. Looking at adding an additional income to the family budget. Under 40 yrs old here and 1st gen immigrant. No debt besides the mortgage.
I’m a high school drop out with vast family problems growing up. I’m now a 44 year electrical journeyman , California state licensed contractor making 6 figures annually.
Not having higher education slowed me down but it didn’t stop me. I ate a lot of shit sandwiches along the way ( not literally) but take this away from this comment.
We were not built for comfort but to overcome adversity.
Mike Rowe has the formula…… skill cannot be taken away from you. I say to young men
, learn a trade ,…. You can still make money it’s computers and technology but you can fall back on a craft skill when things go bad in this ever changing world. I always tell the young men Ive trained… electrically speaking … they (computer type and tech people)
cant do what they do without us. Everything requires electrical power available.
Note: I still believe that Plumbing is the superior craft… you can live without electricity but you can’t live without clean water… plumbing keeps the world healthy. Consider it…
You will be a hero.
A friend said --- LIFE IS LIKE A SHIT SAMITCH, THE MORE BREAD YOU HAVE, THE LESS SHIT YOU HAVE TO EAT!! R.I.P. MIKE.
“We are not built for comfort, but to overcome adversity“. That is great. I could’ve used that saying a million times in my life with friends, coworkers, my children, and now my grand children. Thank you. Did you make that up?
From a 6 figure turf guy
Practice a skill and meet people, what you know combined with who you know is amazing.
People don't mention this enough. Having a network is great, but it's not *useful* unless you have skills.
I went to community college for 2 years took the diesel technology program and I'm 30 years old now making 75k a year and love my job, and soon I'll be making 100k a year. No student loan debt, love my job, and I work smarter not harder as a diesel technician, diagnosing and repairing heavy duty trucks
Same here. Best decision ever. Took auto shop in high school,now a diesel mechanic retiring soon with no debt house paid off in 2010😊 have a great day
Yea but an amazon driver makes slighly more than that and a UPS driver is close to 200k. The job market is all messed up...
Mechanics leaving the field, not paying like it used to!
@@coreyfranco7060UPS drivers don't make 200 K Avg hourly pay is $22.74 thats not even CLOSE to 200k unless they work every single hour of the year.
@@joefran619Not only that, but its gonna get a lot worse when all the cars are electric, and can't be repaired cost effectively.
Mike Rowe for President 2024!
Nah, not President. But appoint him to lead the Dept of Labor? Or even Education? ... Now you're talking something more focused and aligned with what he's already doing to help our country.
What a goon. If there aren't jobs, create them. A freaking ant 🐜 colony has more morales than we do. We get run by society instead of us running society. United we stand-divided we fall.
Yes, let's put another actor in the presidency. It worked so well in the 80s.
I worked hard for 25 years, from the age of 13. Bad knees and a bad back FORCED me to work smart. I make more now than I ever did digging ditches in November. Work smart lads. Don't cripple yourselves for a job that won't afford you a place to live, or a family.
Great advice. I advised my kid to work in the trades. He has zero debt and makes 28$ an hour at 19
If alls he's making is $28 pretax - he's not too good at what he is doing.
@@samryan7954 Relax!He's 19 for pete's sake! He's making more than most adults today. Give it a few years and he'll be running his own business and crew making 6 figures. Who knows? We will probably be paying tax for breathing air, with the way things are going.
@@samryan7954 At 19? He's doing fine. A lot of people his age are scrambling for minimum wage jobs. Especially if he's not living in a big city on the coast, $28/hr is good money and will go a long way. It's an excellent start in life, and he will likely move up from there. Saying he's no good at his job sounds like unrealistic cluelessness or envy.
Give him a bone!
@@samryan7954this comment is exactly why my dumb ass generation is fucked- kid is making money while the majority of kids are getting loaded while studying left handed puppetry who won’t start at $28 an hour 😂 good money at 19 presuming he’s saving and investing. Good riddance
I’ve ran three parallel plans all my life: 1. Education based off of what my bosses boss’s had achieved. I now have a MS and a MBA.
2. A technical trade that meets my intellectual capacity and personality. I fly commercial helicopters.
3. Can work with my hands. I build, fix and plan/design houses, hobby farm, landscape.
My point is to be able to diversify rather than concentrated efforts in one field.
You're a renaissance man a la Jacob Lund Fisker 👍
When I was 12, I helped my uncle dig ditches in the summer (he was a plumber). I'll never forget what he said to me "Make your living with this (points to head), not this (points to back)"
He was right, and I am grateful I have been able to make a career in IT.
A ditch digger starts at the top and works his way down! Some if not all make good money!
The dynamic has changed. In 1825 the Erie Canal was finished. It was cleared, blasted, stumps pulled, dug, concrete poured and locks built all using hand tools and horses. That's the old way, but if you're a "laborer" today there are so many tools to make the job easier that require expertise that hardly anyone can make it using just their physical ability. It's a prerequisite to be physically capable but if you're not skilled you're not getting paid.
I was 100% guilty of thinking I was too smart to work hard, or that because I have a college degree I could expect someone to pay me for my very deep thinking.
Honestly I’ve only been working really hard for like 3 years and I made more progress than in the previous decade.
Staying current with useful skills is always a good path. I came up in a technical college then went to a 2yr associate degree while working in my field of study. I learned more on the job. I've continued my studies via my employers generosity. Zero college debt
Attending a junior college right after high school was the best decision I ever made. I got to take so many different courses in different areas. In 2001, each class was a whopping $33. My first semester was a little over $150 plus books. I ended up going into law enforcement and not having any debt after trying out different paths.
The presumption that working smart means not working hard is the misconception with this cliche.
You must work both hard and smart to maximize success
The issue was people back in the 80s who didn’t get a college degree were made to feel “because you don’t have this one thing, it’s over for you”. So those people pushed college onto their kids, and now we have the problems we have.
Nobody can make you feel any way. I grew up and graduated highschool in 1984, went to technical school and worked my way up to being an engineer. Made a very comfortable living for myself. I never once felt that I was less because I didn't go to college. Yes people did imply that, yes there are companies I won't be considered by for engineering work because I don't have a degree, but they can't make me feel any way. BTW, my brother and sister both got engineering degrees from college, and both are envious that I did absolutely as well as them without going
@@integr8er66 I agree with your sentiment. I think people just use the "I don't have a degree" thing as an excuse. I see it in my own family.
Hard working men are needed in society. Every home that we comfortably relax and enjoy was built by hard working men mostly and a few women who were good at their trade and will always be needed. So an educated mind with a hard working attitude is a winning ticket. Don’t be afraid]d to get your pretty little hands dirty, they wash up just fine. God bless
No. Built by illegal immigration.
I couldn't agree more with you, however in the past 30 years every residential home worksite I've ever walked past, English is not the primary language spoken by the hard working men on the job site. Do you mean we need more?
@@donaldlee6760 men are men no matter what language they’re speaking. I only mean hard work for a days pay is good and the more skilled you are as a man or woman the better off you are in all types of economy’s. It’s easy to get laid off of an office job then hard to find another. But with a trade your always needed because we have so much in the USA 🇺🇸 and we are spoiled. So plumbing, electrical, carpentry, hvac and general home skills are always in demand.
@@donaldlee6760 It's human traph ick eng. They get brought across the border and their documentation is destroyed and money taken. Without driver's license, passport, ID, or money they're at the mercy of their employer in the states. The employer will rent out an apartment and put 5+ migrant workers per room. They're picked up in the morning, work all day, dropped off at night. They're not allowed to be seen outside because they're threatened with deportation, they have no cars or ability to drive, usually there's no public transportation, and the employer can pay as much or as little as they want.
This is the best video I’ve listened to/seen in a very long time. I’m a licensed General Contractor in Tennessee, with a degree in construction engineering. I’m also an experienced welder, carpenter, and general laborer. I work like crazy every day to make money but at the end of the day I can have a knowledgeable conversation with just about anyone I’m around. Becoming “well versed” in your field and fields similar will take you to places that an education never will.
So glad i was told by my guidance counselor that i wasnt cut out for university and wouldn't amount to much, lol. Jokes on him, making 6 figures now as a Millwright and satisfied with my work. Thank you dear guidance counselor
I say, "Work hard and be smart about it."
I was literally told in high-school that the trades were dead. Don't even think about them. College and University are the only way to go. Not one teacher or guidance counselor or anyone that worked at that school said otherwise. I find that disturbing. And literally every girl was told to go into something working with children. And man did those careers get flooded.
sounds like they knew nothing of trades .
That also did it to Motherhood!!... .. hardest job in the world.... And most rewarding.... They did it to Motherhood. Imagine how well adjusted our children and adults would be with Mom that raised their own children and watched over their children's education.
Agreed…except that motherhood is not the hardest “job” in the world.
Love this I went to trade school to be a mechanic and my first construction job out of UTI a superintendent told me that I could better serve the job and understand the equipment better if I learned to operate the equipment so I helped out wherever needed mechanic truck driver equipment operator 25 years later I decided I didn’t want to be a mechanic any more so getting in as an operator was just a matter of getting in the seat and I’ve always made a good living never been laid off
When I was in high school there was a welding class. The only people that took it was next to dropping out of school. I signed up because I knew I did not want to go to college that the school pushed for everyone to do. I continued welding all my work career. 47 years I was a welder. Welded pipeline work half my career. Other half building trades pipefitter/welder. Pipeline all over the country, power houses, nuke plants, steel mills, refiners. If it was round and had a hole it I would weld it. My pension is what most people make today.....
I went to State U for mechanical engineering, I’ve done that for 40 years, and in Ramsey terms, EDM baby step 7. I have a professional engineering license, and a master plumbing license
You’re past two videos have been fantastic!! Thanks so much on your in step guide to newbies and trailer setup. Very much appreciated!! 😊😁
When my son decided to switch into the trades at 29 years old, with a wife and children. He knew that it would mean that he would have to take a big cut in pay and would take him two years to get back to where he was. We let him and his family move in with us for two years. It's been almost 4 years, and now he will finish his apprenticeship in two months and is already making twice what he was making in his previous job. Unlike college, where you pay the university for your training. In the trades, they pay you while you learn.
Excellent real-world dialogue between two very wise men. Refreshing.
I've always been a tradesman. I took industrial art at the age of 13 in the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th grade. I honed my skills in my 20's working for trade owners. Learned the business side of it and started acquiring tools and equipment 30's. Then raked in the cash in my 40s and 50s. I've only been in debt for a couple of vehicles and a house. I'm completely out of debt now and I own everything. No College. Just High School diploma. Stop looking for instant gratification. Thing worth having, take hard work to get them.
Working smart is a must. Working hard is also a must. Best thing is you can work hard in your 20s and 30s and relax a bit after that. But both must be done no matter what. I recommend buying as many rentals as possible when you're young and can work around the clock.
Very well said Mike. Thank you.
Excellent discussion . Thank you for this video . 👏👏
I am an educator and have two master's degrees that *I* paid for. (My husband helped me too.) We have no student debt. I absolutely love school! However, we are pushing kids to go to college and the common core wants all kids to be college-ready. That is ridiculous because it minimizes the men and woman making a good living doing trade work. TRADE WORK is not a bad thing and society needs to change their thinking about it.
Good things happen to those who wait - if you work like hell while you’re waiting!
Yes, very true. The problem with the system starting in the '70s is that the job market did not (and still doesn't) match the majority of skills acquired by 21-23 year olds with Bachelor's degrees, even for those with high employment potential like science and technology. The mentorship that was effective in the workplace was lost as corporations acquired small and middle sized private firms.
But I thought that the phrase applied to everything and wasn't just for academics. I thought it meant find the simplest solution instead of making things harder than they need to be. If you can do it easy do it. Get more for less work. Don't strain yourself and find the smarter way to do it.
You're correct. It's called click bate. Mike in the video never postulated that you should never work smart or never work hard. 2:25 Instead he said that we need to be both smart and hard working. 9:13
That message also is responsible for people with higher degrees expecting to be highly paid without working very hard
The message of work smarter, not harder, was being pushed on television back in the 60s on the Andy Griffith show. It was being pushed everywhere in Hollywood at that time.
The problem with “working smart” is that - you have to work hard TO work smart.
You don’t just run out of the starting gate and start “working smart.” You work hard, THEN the practice and repetition teaches you the shortcuts and efficiencies that let you work smart.
Amen👏👏
Easy to find instructions on the internet makes lonely, expensive, unfamiliar tasks doable, but you do still need to actually perform the work.
40 yrs Cnc Machinist/ Toolmaker Medical surgical Implants & Aerospace tools. 4 yr sponsored Tech school. Was never out of work 100k career..retired & i work 2 days part time.".If
you love your career, it's not work" ?
I work in water production and I went to school for welding, never got a degree. I hope that my kids get degrees and have successful careers in whatever it is that they want to do. But, I’ve been able to make 6 figures a year and provide a comfortable life for them. Water and pipelines have provided everything for me
I applied both approaches. We succeeded in living the American Dream without "advanced degrees" and retired comfortably at 59.
As a Welder of 20 years. Working smart is working hard.
Back in 1999 I was told by a guidance counselor that I was a smart kid and I should go to college, not tech school. I was fortunate enough to get through my 4 year degree without debt but looking back, I probably would have been fine going to tech school and I would have saved thousands of dollars. Let's do a better job of teaching kids the financial cost of picking either option, college or tech.
Mike is such a gifted speaker. Has the voice and an articulate mind.
Two of my favorite people I’ve been a Dave Ramsey fan for 25 years. Mike Rowe has the absolute best podcast available today called The Way I Heard It.
I’m almost 80 years old. Before I started a four year degree program at 26 years old I must have tried close to half a hundred different jobs, but none of them held my interest. I had a chance to attend a one year certificate program in computer programming. I was hooked on my first day, but at the end of the program I realized I wanted more and went for the for year degree. Thirty plus years later I was making a middle six figure income as a software engineer, traveling the world, and owning or part ownership in four different businesses. At this point I not only knew software, but I also knew several businesses the software supported, dirt moving, rental business, and tax services. I still think the most important people I interacted with were my garbagemen and the contractor who worked on my rentals, and they were both well paid for their work. I know the contractor made a good six figure income. Mike Rowe is right about being able to work with technology, but also being able to discuss Descartes and objectivism. I learned more about myself and the world during the four years while taking university classes than in the previous 26 years. Now I’m retired and living a great retirement in a different country (it’s less expensive).
Excellent advice.
It's called "Supply & Demand".
Right place (Supply) & at the right time (Demand).
It never ceases to amaze me how words can be misconstrued to fit an agenda. The origin of 'Work smarter, not harder ' refers to utilizing the full scope of tools available to you (both intellectual tools and physical tools) to achieve a goal while doing so with the least amout of stress.
Great discussion. Thanks guys. We appreciate your efforts to move us back in the direction of common sense.
My son dropped out of Business school… YAY!!!! He is now learning to repair HVAC…. And he loves it…. Double YAY!!!!
Amen Mike, AMEN!
It was the only way in late 80s or 90s to get ahead. Now, they need this stuff when some are 50.
Solid Gold.
“Work Smart, Not Hard”, I have been doing that during my entire working life and I have never darkened the threshold of a university classroom.
I'm 33 and my school system taught us this way of thinking too.... however now I been in office work for 10 plus years, I have tried speaking with electricians programs Ibew, union and non union, plumbing apprenticeships and nobody will hire me.. and thr people that will bother taking my call, they tell me i will probably need to be a helper, making $12/hr...I cant afford to do that. So the best way is to go into trade out of highschool and you can always back to school later if you want. But going back to trades later in life is tougher if you can't afford a pay cut
Is there some kind of timeline you had before you could make decent money?
@@Thalanoxusually after 3-4 years in the trad you can take your journeyman exam, and every year up to 3rd year of apprenticeship you make more money. The ending hourly wage is $30-40/hr. When you become a contractor the moneh can be much more, and that is several years after journeyman, and not everyone does it.
The skill and reliability of helpers varies massively. $12 is probably the amount they would risk knowing there's a high chance you'll be a flake or you'll quit in 3-6 months. So sometimes you've got to risk the low income for a while and then ask for a raise later when you're more proven. Personally I've worked as a general construction helper part-time as a side hustle making $30. I'm not even in the industry, I just have acquired a "particular set of skills" which make me an incredibly useful helper.
Find something you like do well for which there is a market. Its the key to happiness at work.
Nailed it!
I have a good career, went to college and almost have my loans paid off(after 20 years) but we are now encouraging our sons to look at everything. Our local high school actually has a trade school in it. I want them to make a smart financial decision and have those choices. I envy the people who can fix anything, I want those skills but never was taught or developed them. They are hugely important, pay well, and shouldn't be downplayed by bogus media and political rhetoric.
I have a BA and masters degrees. My retirement pension is from truck driving, and thankful for it. God was good.
You are the balanced "tradesman-philosopher" Mike was talking about.
The poster worked so good that people can’t even do simple home repairs.
What great common sense. Thank you for speaking up for us all.
The eloquent Mike Rowe.
The quote used to be, work smarter not harder! The message was to go to college. Little did we know that going to college wasn’t an automatic ticket to higher pay any longer.
Looking back, I wish I did what you did Mike. I think I would have been further along in life by getting out of my comfort zone and trying many things.
Mike never went to trade school. He went to college and has a liberal arts degree.
I went to college for 4 years. I got an expensive piece of paper, and developed a love and passion for the sport of American Football. That's what I learned in college. Totally not using my useless degree.
Renaissance living and working is key
I never went to college. I went to a trade school (flight school). I finished school in 1997 and it cost me around $30,000. I now make over $300K. Great investment. My dad was an industrial mechanic and I began working in his shop around age 9 (after school, Saturdays & Summer break). I know what working for a living is. I physically worked for a long time and I’ll never take my career for granted. I am blessed but I worked to get to where I am today. Trade schools are where the really smart people go.
Listen to Mike.
I'm a retired school counselor. At age 18, many kids don't have an achievable goal for their future, and they go to college simply "to go to college." The term "higher education" doesn't mean just a 4-year program resulting in a degree. There are many other kinds of education and training that will help them attain a good life. The community had a large construction company, and I could give examples of the income of a skilled person in the building trades or as a heavy equipment operator. For some, I suggested working in the real world for a year or two just to see what other successful people do.
I'd say that both concepts are good. Work smart, but also work hard. As long as you're not doing anything illegal or immoral, work both smart and hard.
2 yrs associate degree in Radiologic Technology. Useful in my lifetime. Been able to aquire 4 different homes in my work lifetime. I'm now retired 😅
The poster I remember was "Justification For Higher Education" and had an animated depiction of a huge mansion with a line of supercars in front of it.
There aren't too many problems that perseverance & hard work haven't solved.
You got my attention at “balanced”
I am 69, for a water utility. Over the years, I reached journeyman status in 4 trades. Half the people that I work with are college graduates. Governor Jerry Brown tried to revamp higher education to be more effective, take less time, and cost less. All kinds of people, conservatives and liberals resisted Gov Browns proposals.
The Student loan relief is meant to encourage people to continue the student debt merry-go-round.
Everyone has their own idea what is effective higher education. It's usually not effective for any government or governor to try to redo the whole thing. The root problem in the US is that financial aid and government-backed student loans (and now forgiveness) have irretrievably divorced the payment of tuition from the success of the student, so colleges no longer have any great incentive to produce financially successful graduates. If they had to compete to produce successful students, rather than just raking in the most debt money, the colleges would likely come up with a lot more effective and diverse set of solutions than Jerry Brown could do.
What Trade School did Dave's kids go to?
Dave is a scum bag peddling his high cost funds to millions of people who believe he knows anything about finance other than how to get out of debt. He is a case of right place, right time. If neither, this guy would be broke.
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Good one !!! 👍🏼
As a non college degree 85 year old male, I agree with Mike's assessment. I did start at the bottom, but did pay attention. I ended up in middle management for a fortune 100 company and retired at age 57. (BTW, I constantly added to my education as needed for all the years in between).
My method: find out who, in your job category, does it best and how they do it. Then figure out how to do it better.
My favorite book (and the way I tried to run my life) has this title: "The Art of Getting your Own Sweet Way, (while everyone around you is glad that you are doing so well)" by Phil Crosby. Think about exactly how you run your life to do exactly what that title says!!!!
I am 100% in favor of this approach and am attempting to get schools to start doing this.
I am an HVAC tradesman with an associate of science.
I have MANY skills.
I AM the tradesman of 25 years who is currently taking Calc 1 .
That’s awesome. I am an Engineer. Have a buddy who is a a GC with some college who had some questions about a the strength of a mounted post.
We went through a quick static calculation and figured out his plan wouldn’t work.
Now he’s motivated to go take statics and mechanics at a CC. Education is almost always good to have and generally, you use it sooner than you would expect, I think.
Calculus will open the door to a better understanding of basic engineering stuff like the above, plus physics, dynamic systems, transformer theory, and more.
16 year old male here. I totally agree made the right choice and skipped high school and college. Now I clean gutters with my gutter cleaning empire making 40k a day. Got a 10/10 wife and season box seats at Fenway. God bless America.
Top G over here. Honestly in 10 years there's going to be too much tradesmen again probably.
The hardest working guy in the building usually makes the least money.
This is also something important that needs to be addressed.
It’s, _Work smarter, AND hard._ Which means work thinking so as to find ways to improve efficiency, so that hard work produces more.
_The wheel over back_ I’ve heard it said.
I hope people stayed until the very end of the video.
Mike's last few statements were the most important things I think I've ever heard
The trades are great,the caveat is as you age it can be very difficult physically on a person. This is exacerbate d by politicians who want to increase the fra( full retirement age) . Sometimes people who sit behind a desk ,cant , comprehend this.
Work SMART And Hard!
Learning a trade and making yourself valuable to many employers in the marketplace or becoming the boss in your own business is working smart.
My father who was a blue collar 8th grade formally educated worker all his life used to say to me all the time, "Work Smarter, not harder". But what he meant was use common sense in everything you do, and it will not be as hard.