literally the only video on youtube that shows the proper process for storing cels. Thank you so much! I Have also found that if you have the larger binder, it helps to store the binder on the side if possible (Ring side up) making sure the pages don't touch the surface only the binder ends touching the storage surface. The page inserts hang freely on the rings and it also keeps the weight off each page, eliminating the stacking effect which can damage cels. Another benefit is the binder can get the proper air circulation it needs throughout storing, keeping the pages fresh longer. The acid free inserts are vital for keeping the fumes from eating the cels alive. Just make sure you don't make the stupid mistake that was mentioned in the video. I place mine in the larger insert where I also place the acid free magazine bags containing only the cel. There's usually enough room for the background as well. Nothing besides the cel should be in the magazine bag. Also, make time once a year to "air out" your cels for about 24 hours to vent the buildup of fumes. You will thank yourself years later when you can pass these works of art down to your future generations!
i neglected to comment on this prior, but i thank you immensely for this video. it helped me break into the cel collecting scene and i'm deeply grateful for it. no other video on youtube ever went into detail about the deterioration of cels and the need for them to breathe while also providing the items (and links!) needed for preservation. if you ever plan on making more videos, i'll be sure to share them around to help others like myself get into this wonderfully fulfilling hobby with a great guide. have a great day! :D
Thank you so much for your comment! I wanted to make a video about this because at the time when you searched up cels / framing etc, a lot of people were not getting were missing super important information in their videos. A lot of people advocate for slapping them in a frame without explaining the safety of how and where to put them so they don't burn up. I really hate seeing new collectors learn their lesson the hard way by losing a one of a kind cel from some show that meant a lot to them.
This video was really helpful when it comes to Sorting cells although that’s not my need this video still fits for what I need to store properly thank you
This was so great. Just ordered my bags and paper. Had no idea about deterioration and points you mentioned. You probably just saved my collection. Also, moving cels out of frames once the bags arrive. At least till I can frame them better.
You can still keep them framed, it may be worth just framing them a little better. My degree in history just makes me itch to preserve the cels as long as possible in in archival safe binders, which is my personal preference with my own cels! But do whatever makes you the happiest in the end! I just wanted to make this video since there is not a lot of information on the hobby. Thank you for watching.
I got as a part of a bulk lot of Bubblegum Crisis memorabilia a cel of one of the boomer androids and it literally was just the cel with the acid-free paper behind it inside one of those special bags...just inserted into a UV glass frame. Like they literally just plucked it out of the binder and stuck it in the frame.
Thank you for this video! I'm a beginner and trying to figure out how to store cels was a headache. Your video helped a lot, because reading is one thing, but actually seeing how it's done is much more useful.
Wish your video mentioned how owners should air out framed cels to prevent vinegar syndrome. Superb video though I'll show it to those in my friend circle considering cel collecting.
Awesome video man! I was doing research into how to keep Cels since i just bought a pair of cels from Turn A Gundam, and your video was the most concise, while also being good and informative. Thank you so much!
mine is the 11x14! i just started collecting … watched anime for many years and finally felt like i should have pieces of what i love. & that dream hunter rem cel!!
About Cel-oasis frame kit, i used to talk with the owner of the website and he is offering museum quality frame kit. That's why the price is higher than what you expected.
I'm going to be honest. I have a history degree where I took courses to become certified in museum curation. Their prices are inflated for profit (which is fine.) But you could literally do make your own or buy cheaper components that do the same thing. If you're too lazy and have the money to pay for their frames - go crazy.
Thanks so much for the video! Though I am curious, do anime sketches and backgrounds need to have similar treatment? No one seems to really talk about them in general, much lese long term care and storage
Yes and no. Sketches / Drawings are safe from gassing themselves out. That's why when I buy a cel I usually only buy it if it has the original sketch with it. If the cel dies, then at least I still have the original drawing. Drawings you just need to keep out of sunlight and places with bad humidity. They are a lot easier to take care of!
@@nickva4588 Thank you very much for the reply and info! I was thinking of collecting some loose backgrounds in particular since they seem to be pretty underappreciated overall, despite how beautiful they can be. Thank you once again for the reply!
I'm not on any cel group on FB. I don't like to support that platform for various reasons unrelated to the hobby. But thank you, I hope I can post some more. I may just do another on Itoya binders since that is still such a common question. A shorter version of this video maybe.
Hi! Thank you so much for this useful video and where you mentioned vinegar syndrome as I just started collecting animation cels, and I finally found out whats wrong with one of my cels. Like I have this sailor moon cel that is stuck together and it does has the vinegar syndrome like you mentioned, may I know what do you recommend to do to cels that are affected? Like is there any way to save the cel?
There is a company in Japan that boasts about how they can undue vinegar syndrome but as far as I know it is very expensive. The best thing you can do is put the cel with vinegar syndrome away in a different place than your other cels so they don't get messed up too. www.celoasis.com/index.php/home/vinegar-syndrome/vinegar-syndrome-treatment/ this is one of the places you can get in contact with to try it if you're really attached to that one cel, but as a disclaimer I've never tried it so I have no idea if it is true or not.
Unfortunately if the drawing is stuck, it is usually stuck for good. Really skilled people with a lot of patience can sometimes peel them off with success, but I don't see the value in the risk since sometimes when you peel off the drawing it will take a lot of paint off of the cel sometimes completely ruining it. Hope this helps!
Hi Nick! Thank you so much for the video. Am I wrong to asume that cels made during the late 90s are actually some kind of inocuous plastic like Polypropilene or something like that? My only cell has been SEALED in a plastic sleeve and looks perfect. No deterioration at all... looks like plastic, from a late 90s anime. Thanks!
Super helpful video! I got my first cel 2 years ago and it came framed and has been framed since then I’m kind of scared to do anything to it or take it out of the framing. Do you have any advice? Or are you possibly on Reddit where I could pm you a picture of it? Any advice would be appreciated! I have other cels I want to frame as well, I know it’s not best for them but it really would make me happy to be able to look at them everyday. Any more tips on how to properly frame them would be so appreciated. Thanks for any and all help!
It doesn't hurt to open up the framed one you got and check the condition. It could be stuck in the frame from decay, try gently moving it. Smell it to see if there is any acidic smell. It sort of depends on if it may have been getting a lot of direct sunlight. If everything looks good from there though, the frame is probably okay. I don't have another other suggestions than what is already in my video. Best of luck collecting!
I bought an animation cel that had the sketch behind it but the paint was fused with it and I couldn't put a nicer image behind Kuwabara. 😭 Currently, my cel is sitting in the envelope it came in between my drawers so I want to put it away nicely.
Is there a general size for frames when it comes to cels? I'm really struggling to find a frame. If it was me I'd probably store it but I am buying for my bf as a gift and thought itd look nicer :)
The picture frame I'm using in this video is 11 x 14 inch frame, but sometimes you'll need to measure a cel because you could unexpectedly get an 'oversized' or 'pan' cel that is slightly bigger for effect. Other than that, if it is normal size, look for a 11 x 14 that has an acid free mat cutout on the inside of the frame that doesn't let the cel rest on the glass like the only I show in the video at 12:40 seconds.
You should change the sleeves for the cel once a year, or smell to see if it is starting to develop vinegar syndrome. I would not bag a cel in a frame because I feel that would make it not be able to breathe inside of the frame. However, cutting up the microchamber paper into small pieces and putting them into the frame to absorb mold would definitely work.
Hello, I have a cell that I love but it has vinegar syndrome 😌 I don't know how to take care of it or who can help me repair it, any recommendations on how to take care of it or where to take it alive in Chicago 🙏
www.amazon.com/BCW-MAG-L-R-Resealable-Oversize-Magazine-Sleeves/dp/B004O4XYQK/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=life+magazine+bags&qid=1618342920&sr=8-4 Remember that if these don't fit the cel perfectly, it kind of doesn't matter since you'll be cutting them in such a way that they can breath out the chemicals that break down. I usually slit two sides completely open. But they should fit anyway.
Hi ! I don’t understand why you need to keep your cell in an another bag that you cut on the corner and not directly in your acid free portfolio Itoya ? It should breath better no than 2 bags ?Thanks !
They should be acid free as well. You don't want oxidation, but you do want it to release it's gas. I think its more of a safety measure for vinegar syndrome to help prevent spreading
Wait so does the layering for a cel look like this from top to bottom: sleeve -> magazine -> cel -> magazine -> sleeve -> champer paper where the paper has to go above all of the plastic or below it? edit: also dope ranma 1/2 cel
Cel -> In an acid free magazine bag (bag that is cut open to let it breath)-> in an Itoya folder sleeve - > Microchamber in the Itoya folder behind the Cel that is in a bag but it should NOT be making direct contact with the cel. Again, the microchamber paper is just to help absorb mold and the chemicals of the decaying cel. They're not necessary though.
What size of microchamber paper is in the video? What is the brand? Which Itoya folder is better for storage: horisontal or vertical or doesn't matter?
There are a lot of great sellers you can find through collector communities like Rubberslug, Reddit, and other various sites. You can trade cels or buy from avid collectors who will give you good deals when they're done collecting cels and want to get rid of them (But make sure they go to a true fan). Some websites that are legit are like asylum-anime.com, Seansanime, Anime-link, Takamura store, and a few more. Ebay and other auction sites can be risky. If a cel looks too good and is too fairly priced - no faded or chipped paint, then it is likely fake. Always make sure it has the peg-hole in the middle of the top, if it has no peg holes in the top or bottom then it is almost always fake. Anime from japan the peg holes are usually on the top. While American cartoons put the peg holes on the bottom.
@@nickva4588 I’ve observed it’s a subject of contention for some sellers when it comes to getting information about where a piece came from. No disrespect meant. I’ll continue doing research. Thank you for the wealth of information you’ve provided both in this video and comment section. I also appreciate the sentiment of them going to a “true fan”. The cels would be better cared for in that sense.
@@woodspringstcg No problem! I know many collectors don't like to share where they get them because they like to 'hoard' them per say. I'm kind of new to the scene so I really don't care to hoard I'd rather share. The BEST place to buy is Yahoo Auctions Japan, but the reason I didn't say that is because currently Japan is not shipping to the US due to Covid, AND you have to use a proxy service like Buyee which tacks on extra fees. So right now it is really not worth it to order from Japan right now even though they have the best market for Anime cels. (Even American cartoons because the hobby is bigger there.)
I don't like them for cels, they're tighter than regular frames. I like having a bit of the extra space in a regular frame for the cel to breath. If you're only framing a genga / sletch a magnetic frame isn't bad though.
@@nickva4588 thanks an gonna take that in mind, i have bought 2 cels and now i feel a responsability to take care of this, am doing my research then i found a video of a girl using magnetic frames and looks so good, but as you said i dont think is enough space.
Dream Hunter Rem, it actually has nothing to do with Genies - which makes the cel really interesting as it was just an insert in an educational segment between episodes!
literally the only video on youtube that shows the proper process for storing cels. Thank you so much! I Have also found that if you have the larger binder, it helps to store the binder on the side if possible (Ring side up) making sure the pages don't touch the surface only the binder ends touching the storage surface. The page inserts hang freely on the rings and it also keeps the weight off each page, eliminating the stacking effect which can damage cels. Another benefit is the binder can get the proper air circulation it needs throughout storing, keeping the pages fresh longer. The acid free inserts are vital for keeping the fumes from eating the cels alive. Just make sure you don't make the stupid mistake that was mentioned in the video. I place mine in the larger insert where I also place the acid free magazine bags containing only the cel. There's usually enough room for the background as well. Nothing besides the cel should be in the magazine bag. Also, make time once a year to "air out" your cels for about 24 hours to vent the buildup of fumes. You will thank yourself years later when you can pass these works of art down to your future generations!
i neglected to comment on this prior, but i thank you immensely for this video. it helped me break into the cel collecting scene and i'm deeply grateful for it. no other video on youtube ever went into detail about the deterioration of cels and the need for them to breathe while also providing the items (and links!) needed for preservation. if you ever plan on making more videos, i'll be sure to share them around to help others like myself get into this wonderfully fulfilling hobby with a great guide. have a great day! :D
Thank you so much for your comment! I wanted to make a video about this because at the time when you searched up cels / framing etc, a lot of people were not getting were missing super important information in their videos. A lot of people advocate for slapping them in a frame without explaining the safety of how and where to put them so they don't burn up. I really hate seeing new collectors learn their lesson the hard way by losing a one of a kind cel from some show that meant a lot to them.
This video was really helpful when it comes to Sorting cells although that’s not my need this video still fits for what I need to store properly thank you
This was so great. Just ordered my bags and paper. Had no idea about deterioration and points you mentioned. You probably just saved my collection. Also, moving cels out of frames once the bags arrive. At least till I can frame them better.
You can still keep them framed, it may be worth just framing them a little better. My degree in history just makes me itch to preserve the cels as long as possible in in archival safe binders, which is my personal preference with my own cels! But do whatever makes you the happiest in the end! I just wanted to make this video since there is not a lot of information on the hobby. Thank you for watching.
I got as a part of a bulk lot of Bubblegum Crisis memorabilia a cel of one of the boomer androids and it literally was just the cel with the acid-free paper behind it inside one of those special bags...just inserted into a UV glass frame. Like they literally just plucked it out of the binder and stuck it in the frame.
Thank you for this video! I'm a beginner and trying to figure out how to store cels was a headache. Your video helped a lot, because reading is one thing, but actually seeing how it's done is much more useful.
Wish your video mentioned how owners should air out framed cels to prevent vinegar syndrome. Superb video though I'll show it to those in my friend circle considering cel collecting.
This helped so much!! Spent the last of my paycheck on a Yu Yu Hakusho cel and materials to store it, super exciting!
Awesome video man! I was doing research into how to keep Cels since i just bought a pair of cels from Turn A Gundam, and your video was the most concise, while also being good and informative. Thank you so much!
mine is the 11x14! i just started collecting … watched anime for many years and finally felt like i should have pieces of what i love.
& that dream hunter rem cel!!
Just bought my first cel and your video helped me IMMENSELY. Thank you so much!!
Got my very first cels in this week and this video is super helpful, thank you!
About Cel-oasis frame kit, i used to talk with the owner of the website and he is offering museum quality frame kit. That's why the price is higher than what you expected.
I'm going to be honest. I have a history degree where I took courses to become certified in museum curation. Their prices are inflated for profit (which is fine.) But you could literally do make your own or buy cheaper components that do the same thing. If you're too lazy and have the money to pay for their frames - go crazy.
Thank you so so very much for this!
Thanks so much for the video! Though I am curious, do anime sketches and backgrounds need to have similar treatment? No one seems to really talk about them in general, much lese long term care and storage
Yes and no. Sketches / Drawings are safe from gassing themselves out. That's why when I buy a cel I usually only buy it if it has the original sketch with it. If the cel dies, then at least I still have the original drawing. Drawings you just need to keep out of sunlight and places with bad humidity. They are a lot easier to take care of!
@@nickva4588 Thank you very much for the reply and info! I was thinking of collecting some loose backgrounds in particular since they seem to be pretty underappreciated overall, despite how beautiful they can be. Thank you once again for the reply!
As someone who's been in the hobby for 11 years it's nice to see this video being made. Are you in the cel group on FB?
I'm not on any cel group on FB. I don't like to support that platform for various reasons unrelated to the hobby. But thank you, I hope I can post some more. I may just do another on Itoya binders since that is still such a common question. A shorter version of this video maybe.
Hi! Thank you so much for this useful video and where you mentioned vinegar syndrome as I just started collecting animation cels, and I finally found out whats wrong with one of my cels. Like I have this sailor moon cel that is stuck together and it does has the vinegar syndrome like you mentioned, may I know what do you recommend to do to cels that are affected? Like is there any way to save the cel?
There is a company in Japan that boasts about how they can undue vinegar syndrome but as far as I know it is very expensive. The best thing you can do is put the cel with vinegar syndrome away in a different place than your other cels so they don't get messed up too. www.celoasis.com/index.php/home/vinegar-syndrome/vinegar-syndrome-treatment/ this is one of the places you can get in contact with to try it if you're really attached to that one cel, but as a disclaimer I've never tried it so I have no idea if it is true or not.
@@nickva4588 I see… thank you so much!!
very useful info, nice to have it all in one place. any tips on getting the cel off the drawing? or are they just stuck?
Unfortunately if the drawing is stuck, it is usually stuck for good. Really skilled people with a lot of patience can sometimes peel them off with success, but I don't see the value in the risk since sometimes when you peel off the drawing it will take a lot of paint off of the cel sometimes completely ruining it. Hope this helps!
Hi Nick! Thank you so much for the video. Am I wrong to asume that cels made during the late 90s are actually some kind of inocuous plastic like Polypropilene or something like that? My only cell has been SEALED in a plastic sleeve and looks perfect. No deterioration at all... looks like plastic, from a late 90s anime. Thanks!
Such a great and helpful video! Thank you! Do you by chance have a link to the Microchamber paper? The link you provided doesn’t work any longer
Super helpful video!
I got my first cel 2 years ago and it came framed and has been framed since then
I’m kind of scared to do anything to it or take it out of the framing. Do you have any advice? Or are you possibly on Reddit where I could pm you a picture of it? Any advice would be appreciated!
I have other cels I want to frame as well, I know it’s not best for them but it really would make me happy to be able to look at them everyday. Any more tips on how to properly frame them would be so appreciated. Thanks for any and all help!
It doesn't hurt to open up the framed one you got and check the condition. It could be stuck in the frame from decay, try gently moving it. Smell it to see if there is any acidic smell. It sort of depends on if it may have been getting a lot of direct sunlight. If everything looks good from there though, the frame is probably okay. I don't have another other suggestions than what is already in my video. Best of luck collecting!
How would you store the cels in the portfolios? Horizontal or Vertical?
I bought an animation cel that had the sketch behind it but the paint was fused with it and I couldn't put a nicer image behind Kuwabara. 😭
Currently, my cel is sitting in the envelope it came in between my drawers so I want to put it away nicely.
How bad is accidently touching the paint on the cel without gloves? Assuming my hands are clean are have been washed with soap already.
Is there a general size for frames when it comes to cels? I'm really struggling to find a frame. If it was me I'd probably store it but I am buying for my bf as a gift and thought itd look nicer :)
The picture frame I'm using in this video is 11 x 14 inch frame, but sometimes you'll need to measure a cel because you could unexpectedly get an 'oversized' or 'pan' cel that is slightly bigger for effect. Other than that, if it is normal size, look for a 11 x 14 that has an acid free mat cutout on the inside of the frame that doesn't let the cel rest on the glass like the only I show in the video at 12:40 seconds.
@@nickva4588 thank you so much! :) you've been a huge help to me, even bought the glass recently from frame destination.
How often do you change the sleeves of the cel? Also if you were to frame the cel, would you bag it and add the micro chamber paper?
You should change the sleeves for the cel once a year, or smell to see if it is starting to develop vinegar syndrome. I would not bag a cel in a frame because I feel that would make it not be able to breathe inside of the frame. However, cutting up the microchamber paper into small pieces and putting them into the frame to absorb mold would definitely work.
Hello, I have a cell that I love but it has vinegar syndrome 😌 I don't know how to take care of it or who can help me repair it, any recommendations on how to take care of it or where to take it alive in Chicago 🙏
Hi, great video. Would you please post the name of the bag and maybe even an Amazon link that you use to protect them.
www.amazon.com/BCW-MAG-L-R-Resealable-Oversize-Magazine-Sleeves/dp/B004O4XYQK/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=life+magazine+bags&qid=1618342920&sr=8-4
Remember that if these don't fit the cel perfectly, it kind of doesn't matter since you'll be cutting them in such a way that they can breath out the chemicals that break down. I usually slit two sides completely open. But they should fit anyway.
Hi ! I don’t understand why you need to keep your cell in an another bag that you cut on the corner and not directly in your acid free portfolio Itoya ? It should breath better no than 2 bags ?Thanks !
They should be acid free as well. You don't want oxidation, but you do want it to release it's gas. I think its more of a safety measure for vinegar syndrome to help prevent spreading
Wait so does the layering for a cel look like this from top to bottom: sleeve -> magazine -> cel -> magazine -> sleeve -> champer paper where the paper has to go above all of the plastic or below it? edit: also dope ranma 1/2 cel
Cel -> In an acid free magazine bag (bag that is cut open to let it breath)-> in an Itoya folder sleeve - > Microchamber in the Itoya folder behind the Cel that is in a bag but it should NOT be making direct contact with the cel. Again, the microchamber paper is just to help absorb mold and the chemicals of the decaying cel. They're not necessary though.
What size of microchamber paper is in the video? What is the brand? Which Itoya folder is better for storage: horisontal or vertical or doesn't matter?
Doesn't the paint of the Cels sticks to the surface of the bags?
Great content. Would you have any recommendations when it comes to sellers? I’m trying to avoid illegitimate items.
There are a lot of great sellers you can find through collector communities like Rubberslug, Reddit, and other various sites. You can trade cels or buy from avid collectors who will give you good deals when they're done collecting cels and want to get rid of them (But make sure they go to a true fan). Some websites that are legit are like asylum-anime.com, Seansanime, Anime-link, Takamura store, and a few more. Ebay and other auction sites can be risky. If a cel looks too good and is too fairly priced - no faded or chipped paint, then it is likely fake. Always make sure it has the peg-hole in the middle of the top, if it has no peg holes in the top or bottom then it is almost always fake. Anime from japan the peg holes are usually on the top. While American cartoons put the peg holes on the bottom.
@@nickva4588 I’ve observed it’s a subject of contention for some sellers when it comes to getting information about where a piece came from. No disrespect meant. I’ll continue doing research. Thank you for the wealth of information you’ve provided both in this video and comment section. I also appreciate the sentiment of them going to a “true fan”. The cels would be better cared for in that sense.
@@woodspringstcg No problem! I know many collectors don't like to share where they get them because they like to 'hoard' them per say. I'm kind of new to the scene so I really don't care to hoard I'd rather share. The BEST place to buy is Yahoo Auctions Japan, but the reason I didn't say that is because currently Japan is not shipping to the US due to Covid, AND you have to use a proxy service like Buyee which tacks on extra fees. So right now it is really not worth it to order from Japan right now even though they have the best market for Anime cels. (Even American cartoons because the hobby is bigger there.)
Hi sir, what you think of magnetic frames? would you recommended?
I don't like them for cels, they're tighter than regular frames. I like having a bit of the extra space in a regular frame for the cel to breath. If you're only framing a genga / sletch a magnetic frame isn't bad though.
@@nickva4588 thanks an gonna take that in mind, i have bought 2 cels and now i feel a responsability to take care of this, am doing my research then i found a video of a girl using magnetic frames and looks so good, but as you said i dont think is enough space.
But I couldn't properly see how the clear bag is cut exactly for ventilation?
Hiii the cell in the beginning what anime is that :) !
Dream Hunter Rem, it actually has nothing to do with Genies - which makes the cel really interesting as it was just an insert in an educational segment between episodes!
@@nickva4588 Thank you so much😊😊😊
Where Can I get Ranma cels? :O