The female host's hate for this movie gives me life 😆(sorry still learning your names) My new favorite podcast. Now I've listened to every episode and I'm sad. I need more!
Its funny because this was right next to comment about how Rae's hatred of Snyder made the show "imbalanced (?)." We like your comment much better! Glad you've been enjoying it.
Actually Guardians of the Galaxy introduced a bunch of characters all at once in one movie in not much over 2 hours, so it can be done. And NONE of those characters were known by the general public. 4 of the Justice League characters were well known to the public, the biggest 2 that weren’t were Aquaman and Cyborg, but it could be argued that the Teen Titans cartoon gave a good foundation for Cyborg.
I'm not sure it's exactly the same deal - the expectation for JL was not just to introduce sidekicks, but to introduce characters who could then go on to do standalone movies. Nobody was begging for a solo movie of any of the Guardians after their movie. Expecting such a big ensemble to introduce solo movie worthy characters was too much. WB put the cart before the horse because they wanted to rush their Infinity War moment instead of building to it.
@@D0NTST4RT I would argue that's another reason Disney deserves to get shit because of not doing background checks before they hire. James Gunn having a Troma rated Twitter is nothing after hiring a a guy like Joss Whedon and they previously hired an actual CONVICTED CHILD SO to work on a kids show.
Regarding the quote that broke Ian or Clint (still learning y’all, sry): I’d like to see one of these super hero ensembles use a team of previously unused heroes and introduce them Ocean’s Eleven style. Or… wait, did I just write The Suicide Squad? 🤔
I was quite baffled watching The Snyder Cut, as I knew it was 4hrs, but I kept thinking what have they added? It's the 2hrs movie, is it playing at 0.5 speed? Obviously there are additional scenes, and scene extensions, but I thought the majority of changes were just alt dialog. I can't believe Snyder would wanted to have released this in theaters, surely he would have looked to hack an hour off it at least, as it drags out such a straight forward story.
Snyder is on record saying that he has shorter cuts of the movie that are more theatre friendly. The reason ZSJL is 4h long is because fans wanted to see the WHOLE thing so he gave them everything he had
@@stellviahohenheim Scorsese and Jackson didn't have fans campaigning for years for the release of a cut of their movies, how is a director giving his fans what they ask him equal to thinking highly of themselves? Try harder
@@marocainforlifeBecause he’s nowhere near that level. Rubble Moon was a joke with 40 minutes of slow motion. He’s not called Zack the Hack for nothing.😂😂😂😂😂
While I agree that WB rushed into JL too quickly, you can't blame Snyder. I read an interview with Chris Terrio I think it was, and he said that WB railroaded Snyder into BvS and then the Justice League storyline after MoS when Snyder wanted to do build up movies/a sequel to MoS.
For sure. WB was just impatient and greedy because their contracts were expiring and all they cared about was their bonuses. Personally, if they would have had any integrity to give the filmmakers the time they needed, maybe they would have been a more desirable in future projects and possibly improved their position in the industry as an intinty that you could count on to deliver a solid product.
You just know Joss Whedon had been sitting on that Brunch joke for years, and then thought this is the Movie to use it in. Or maybe he had nothing for the scene, and thought you know that thing I always say when we go out for Brunch every Sunday?
Firstly, I'm new to this podcast, but damn, you guys are addicting to listen to! Secondly, though, I know it's nowhere near out yet; I can already see The Flash movie being a subject of a future podcast episode because holy crap xDD Nonetheless, I look forward to more episodes from y'all very much, and this episode convinced me to sub to the channel. Probably because of that Frosty the Snowman tangent or just Clint, but who knows? :)
As someone who only saw the Snyder cut and didn’t have anything to compare it to: I think it was worth it, I actually liked it a lot. I’m happy that they’re not doing anymore Snyderverse but for what it was it was a good time. I especially liked the Cyborg story
I really enjoyed the commentary. I actually enjoyed Snyder's cut for the record... but I still found you guys (and gal) to be entertaining. Thanks for the podcast!
There’s a comic store owner out of Las Vegas that is still ranting 3-5 days/week about ZSJL on his YT channel. The dude is 50, and exhibits all the crazy behaviour you folks covered in this and the other ZSJL video. Totally defended Ezra and claimed The Flash was a success. He must scare away customers at some point.
I saw this in IMAX at the Australian premiere and it was epic!! 4 hours flew by and it was a completely immersive experience. I only didn’t like the tacked on Knightmare sequence.
The year is 2044, the 27th different version of the Snyder cut has just been released, the 18th Sh*t Show Podcast discussing it has just been released & Jenny Rae has still not seen the movie.....
Watching/listening today... Ray Fisher is filming "Rebel Moon" with... 🥁... Zach Snyder 👍 + I definitely liked the Snyder version better... Yet I watched it once and probably never again and... It's 🤦♂️ still so messy, bloated and weird editing at times for sure. Why they cannot make a IRL version of something like the Justice League animated movies is just sad, how it can be done it RIGHT there... 😅
God, if there is anything I learn from this episode, it's that Joss Whedon is a terrible person, like man how terrible he is kinda ruins some of the stuff he made
I do think the Snyder cut of justice league was better, there was more heart to it some of the characters were flushed out a little more but let’s be real it was really the same story as the other movie except there was a couple characters more in the Snyder cut. That being said while I think Man of Steel he’s my favorite superman movie of all time and I do love the casting of all the characters in justice league, I really wish they would’ve just done it the right way. I know everyone saying that “oh that’s marvelous way that doesn’t mean it’s right!” When you have individual movies that at first don’t really connect together and you love those movies and then the lead from all of those movies show up in one movie together it makes it feel more epic it makes it feel more special. The DCEU was rushed for bonus reasons because they knew AT&T was going to be selling to discovery in a couple years. And they thought all you had to do was put these movies out and they would make $1 billion because that’s what Disney was doing with Marvel Studios and Lucas film. And while I think Zack Snyder is a good Director I think he does better with just a one character movie like man of steel. Once he starts trying to put a team in there I feel like most of his focus goes to the looking feel of the movie but not actual the story or the characters as much. I think Batman versus superman was a good movie 3/4 in but then the last quarter of that movie he just couldn’t help himself. That was too much for one movie. And it was stupid to kill superman in the second movie in your shared universe because it’s not like when Iron Man died were you had people crying in the theater because they had been with that version of Iron Man for nine or 10 movies or whatever. It meant something when Iron Man died. When Superman died no one cared because we knew he was coming back in justice league. I am a DC diehard fan, I don’t hate Marvel I think people that hate things like that are kind of crazy it’s OK not to be a fan but to have a hatred of it I think makes someone a psychopath because it’s just entertainment, and I actually believe DC has the better universe to do a shared cinematic universe but the fans kind of only have themselves to blame here. They did not support man of steel in theaters, and they made fun of Batman versus superman for a full year after it came out. You couldn’t go on social media in a DC group without people posting that stupid Martha meme 50 times a day. So they didn’t care about Zack Snyder’s first movie and then they made fun of the second one, fans need to understand that you kind of need to support this stuff when it’s happening because I thought the fans look really dumb, not all of us but all these people all the sudden only after Warner Bros. show Zack Snyder the door do they decide they really love him. So where was all this love and support when he needed you guys?
Love the podcast! So sad that people won’t just let you guys have your own opinions! I actually really like Snyder’s version of the film, but I still loved this episode and laughed many times! Great episode!
@@Janograd yours or mine? I mean, I really do love the podcast and I this really was probably my favourite episode of the bunch at the time (now, it's the Empires of the Deep episode of course. Speaking of, #ReleaseEmpiresOfTheDeep) as it really covered a lot of the things I too felt about the SnyderVerse.
Just started getting into this podcast/show. A bit sad to hear how you all approached Fisher's claims of racism. But such is the experience of people of color throughout the world. Brushing off his concerns so long as long as you can find some other reason for something happening. I'll just note that you didn't take the same approach in critiquing the allegations of the buffy cast.
To be more nuanced, the disappointment stems from the process of "take it with a grain of salt" from the beginning, and then coming up with reasons throughout. If this were your process of evaluating claims throughout your podcast, then I'd get it. But at this point I've listened to about 20 episodes of the podcast (I've jumped around) and I've never heard this approach taken. Racism gets explained away so much with "well I know that guy and he's not racist" or "that guy wouldn't do that, have you seen his love for the community" or "it wasn't racism it was (insert other reason here)", etc. This isn't gonna make me stop listening, I love the content and think you all are pretty thoughtful generally - this discussion specifically seemed slightly problematic even though I don't think that was intentional (I note there are times at least some of the group more explicitly points out the racism - i.e. the investigation of racism including interviews with what is likely mostly white ppl).
Thank you for this thoughtful criticism and comment. It’s definitely not our intention to be flippant with racism, as we try to call it out when we see it (like our Jewel of the Nile episode). In this case, all the racism claims are coming from who I’d argue is a bad faith actor. I say take a grain of salt because he’s been very vocal about so many things, and bringing them all up to eleven, as if that set was a KKK sex trafficking party. Whedon’s abuse and sexism claims have been backed up by many others, but not the racism. Fisher is the only one saying it. Since recording this, Fisher has proven himself an unreliable source and an outright troll (see his latest shit throwing towards James Gunn). Again, we aren’t dismissing the racism, I’m questioning Fisher himself. Thanks again for a proper dialogue (it’s rare on here).
@@ItWasAShtShow Thanks for the further context. I just finished the "#ReleaseTheSnyderCut" episode and I do think you all did a good job of pointing out that his concerns were valid (even trolls can have valid points). Again I'm not expecting your podcast to solve racism or anything, but I do look forward to hearing the Jewel of the Nile episode.
the beautiful thing about the way the mcu started their eu was that they teased it all. every movie became a trailer for a new movie to help build up the hype. apparently Warner Bros didn't realize they weren't even on that hype train from the start and instead put in some lame emails adendums into one of their lame ass movies and then thought they were on the same level. like everything they did from then on would be just as eagerly gobbled up.
it seems like a studio decision, to test a longer format movie as a streaming exclusive as a test more traditional shorter movie lengths in the age of binge watching and instant resume. The campaign just helped it be a safe choice to get profit even if the test didn't succeed. I think fans are deluded if they think such tactics give them a voice or that their harassment campaign made a difference.
“Make my voice sound like it’s 4:3” Actually laughed out loud mid step while carrying heavy gear through the shop. Had to stop for a moment. Well done, Jenny Ray.
@@ItWasAShtShow i mean ive put on several of your podcast episodes in a row while playing Minecraft and never get board because you all flow so well together that its always funny and entertaining. Probably the most engaging YT podcast ive seen, i think they deserve far more views.
I know I’m late but I completely agree with this sentiment! I got recommended the Fast and Furious video and turned on the podcast for back to the future part 2 & 3. I just like listening to them banter!
I enjoy the snyder cut I honestly just wanted it because it would fit more with the snyder "trilogy" but it is hilarious how people can get so wound up by make believe charecters.
Even though I have really enjoyed this podcast, it really shows your bias against DC. In my opinion, ZS Justice League is what I’ve always wanted in a superhero movie. It was nearly perfect.
Bias against DC? Don’t be like that, dude. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. Clint loves all comics and we’re both diehard Batman fans (I just made a 25minute love letter video about him!).
Just to be clear, the 4:3 ratio didn’t crop the sides out, it just opened up the mattes on the top and bottom of the footage. Areas that are meant to not be shown, but to have as a safe zone for repositioning the frame of a shot a little here and there. That being said, editing and releasing it in 4:3 was fucking *stupid* . 😂
Do you know that for sure? Because its entirely based on the tech being used. If they did do that, then he’d have to scale it down to fit. But I’m pretty sure side comparisons show that footage was being cropped. And he never attended to release it like that when filming, so how could he prepare for that? This is all breaking my brain…
@@ItWasAShtShow The comparisons I looked at had extra headroom and nothing (or very little) missing from the sides. It was likely a combination of the two since most cinema cameras both digital and film shoot with an actual ratio a bit taller than what they get cropped to. This is why some old school VHS tape copies of films were sometimes the "open matte" versions with funny shit that was never intended to be seen, including boom mics or costumed characters wearing sneakers, actors in socks, etc, rather than pan and scan. You see this a lot in bts footage where you can see the monitor with crop lines and safe areas overlaid over a larger frame that the camera sensor is capturing. Edit: yeah the ARRI cameras they allegedly used shoot at 2.11:1 fully open gate, so that's actually even wider than either of the two versions of the film, meaning both versions were technically cropped in from what the full sensor captured, so it would have varied from shot to shot just depending on where the directors/editors ended up putting their mattes in either cut. The whole situation with this movie is just fucking bonkers in the end. But this would explain why some shots were still just as wide but had more headroom in 4:3 while others were the opposite. It was shot in 6.5K and was cropped for every shot to begin with.
I think we arrived there! We did it. I bet that extra space required more VFX work (removing boom mics and socks). That said, it literally still makes the image smaller because you’re wasting screen real estate, for no reason.
You stole the words from my mouth. He’s a con artist. Refusing to denounce his fans sending death threats to reporters. We know what type of people do this. That and his connection to a shady Lebanese billionaire. Don’t be fooled, Zack is a goosestepping moron.
It’s a podcast actually... but it’s a history of everything that happened since our last JL recording. Whether we don’t like the film, or Zack Snyder’s work, is entirely our individual opinions. As is yours. If you like Snyder or the Snyder cut, awesome! To each their own.
Zack Snyder seems to miss more than hit in my opinion. Even when his movies aren't messed with by other people. I think 300 and Dawn Of The Dead remake are considered his best films. I remember coming across the Dawn Of The Dead remake years ago on the scifi channel and I thought it was one of those corny scifi original movies. 300 didn't have any impact on me either way. I felt neutral about it. I guess I'm just not the demographic for his stuff. But more power to him for getting his vision for this movie out. I didn't watch either of them. But this podcast about it was interesting. Lol.
I remember watching 300 when I was about 14 or something, and even then, when I cared less about story and character and was more into action, I was there thinking 'am I meant to find this interesting just because the visuals look cool?'. Didn't dislike it, just so little impact, haven't watched it since.
I think I’d agree with the vitriol and skepticism about a Snyder cut and all the childish outrage over them before I saw the movie. But I saw it and I was actually impressed that it was pretty cohesive and had good drama. But I had low expectations so
I know this is old and this was a minor point on this episode and all, but it really irk me when people make this argument. Warner bros didn't need to follow the marvel model and start with smaller individual movies for multiple characters. The MCU model isnt the only one that works, we have seen a different one work rather well and DC was the one that did it well first, which makes the JL movies failure hit even worse. I am talking about the model both Dc and Marvel often use in animation, and the 90s DCAU JL cartoon is just a master class. You don't need to have watched the superman or the batman shows before to jump at the world invasion 3 part pilot, get a good first impression of each character, see an interesting plot, see the league been formed... and it only lasts some 70 minutes, fits neatly in a standard movie with time to spare. Seriously, that they didn't just make the JL movie a sort of reimagining of that pilot but with some different characters, and milked the shit out of that in marketing. They had the recipe right there, proven and tested, all with a bonus moon sized free nostalgia bait. Sucks to suck I guess.
1:23:55 That is THE best way to describe what WB and DC have been doing with their universe! 🤣 Oh my god. Can you guys do a Shit Show on The Batman? The things that have been said about that production seem RIPE for an episode.
@@ItWasAShtShow Don’t know how true these are but there was the whole Matt Reeves hated working with Pattinson, someone caught Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz banging on the Batmobile aaaand now that I’m typing these things out loud maybe everything was too outlandish to be true. 🤣
Zack Snyder’s Sucker Punch doesn’t exist yet because the studio won’t release his cut. He’s been on record saying that his vision for Sucker Punch, like David Ayer’s Suicide Squad cut, has not been seen. All you have is the studio cut of those films.
Many years back after BvS trailer had dropped a friend was going to Jersey to play a rugby game Cavil was attending, he knew they were gonna lose he just wanted to shout “Do you bleed!” He did and apparently Cavil rolled his eyes, he’d heard it a few times. This friend moved away and I miss him so when I saw the Whedon Cut call back to that line I smiled thinking about how my friend and how Cavil might have enjoyed getting his own back. And that is my main reason for not liking the Snyder Cut cause it didn’t appreciate an in-joke I have with no-one cause he’s moved.
Rae didn't just express her opinion (which is fine, obviously), she WANTED to shit on anything Snyder-related, it screamed bad faith, and that was so gratuitous... I love your podcast, I've said it elsewhere, but she kinda damaged this one. It seems to me that Sh*t shows aren't... that.
Complains about the movie being too long... Does an almost 2 hour podcast crying about it. Ain't nobody got time for that. I just wanted to hear about the movie production. Oh well. Wrong channel.
I had to stop the podcast at 30 minutes. The negative bias and hate the female host has towards Snyder is so evident. And not even in a move maker level but at a personal level. And that's not "an opinion" it's just toxic, childish behaviour. Hating someone on a personal level just because he makes movies you don't like, just pathetic. Also, she says Snyder has a huge ego multiple times. Jesus, these haters make up the craziest things in their heads just to justify their hate. Literally anyone who has worked with Snyder has said he is the most humble and easy-to-work-with director. Every actor, stuntman and crew worker has nothing but good things to say about the guy. But I guess small time youtubers know best. That attitude just shows the clear bias of this podcast that seems to be done by 15 year olds.
I think the directors cut is definitely an improvement, I even think it might be a good movie if it was an hour shorter. Im glad the actors and snyder got to have their movie.
@@ItWasAShtShow There's no So. I'm fine with it. Like you said, I'm allowed to state my opinion. That's mine. I'm not asking her to stop saying what she thinks.
@@davidw.2791 na, was just a little too over the top with going after almost anything Snyder has done. I’m not his biggest fan but it felt a little odd is all.
I don’t remember talking about him in this episode, but Berg plays the studio game. He made Battleship so they would fund Lone Survivor. It was entirely a pay check job.
Fucking thank you, thank you, thank you. The only way I could force myself to watch this thing was on a plane lol Meaning I needed to be trapped in a metal tube in the air haha I just...ugh...seeing how the fans gobbled this up and tried to defend everything Snyder...just drives me up the wall. My respect for someone goes down a notch if they really can't see what a shit show the whole DC Snyderverse thing was.
@@ItWasAShtShow Any time it descends into attacks on Snyder on a personal or professional level, childish mockery of his artistic choices, his aesthetic etc. There are too many examples to list them all, certainly any time a quote from Snyder was being read, the female host couldn't do so without adding her pithy little impression. Hyperbolic nonsense about the film being 80% slow motion, mocking him for using a Leonard Cohen song. It all reeks of bad faith critique and a lack of emotional maturity. And I'm relatively confident I'm correct because here you are challenging me. I'm glad I listened to the whole video before giving it a thumb's down, I gave the group every opportunity to make a compelling video. Sadly it didn't get there. Best of luck in your future artistic endeavours, hopefully your critics treat them with more thoughtfulness and sincerity than you've exhibited in this video.
@@ItWasAShtShow That’s more than a bit over the top of a response. I mean, honestly you gave Snyder so much more trashy analysis and condemnation than you actually did Whedon. That film he put out WAS GARBAGE. This wasn’t. But it also wasn’t finished. And despite how you said Snyder had a template, he literally didn’t when he presented the plan to the WB executives AND they signed off on his entire plan. Iron Man and Hulk came out the same year and then they didn’t do another character film until IM2 two years later. Snyder made his presentation probably in late 2011 before Avengers came out. So there wasn’t a plan bc they hadn’t even released Thor or The First Avenger until 2011. Additionally MOS was 2013 and BvS was 2016. So technically by 2017, sure, the Avengers was already out but they’d already introduced the Trinity by 2017 and Superman and Wonder Woman had already had solo films, too. They did the solo films before production on Justice League started. So, sure, the idea of introducing so many other characters shouldn’t have been on his mind, bc he’d already helped introduce half of the JL before the film; so a 4-hour cut wasn’t going to be necessary. However, you left out all the timeline and how they HAD been EXPLICITLY trying to copy the MCU from the very beginning. I think you could’ve simply said Snyder tried to do too much without spending an hour disparaging the man’s actions. Now, 3 years later, I don’t think anyone would say Snyder is a great director but his vision was already there, approved and then backed out of by WB. That Ayer Cut joke was kinda offensive bc it tied into the films too, and it was studio interference that was the issue with why the film bombed. Your criticism seems overly personal and unfortunately doesn’t seem like a fulsome interpretation of the film. You weren’t half as hard on QOS, for example-and it wasn’t a particularly good film, either. Honestly it was worse than this film. Really disappointed by this analysis.
I actually kinda liked the snyder cut. I feel like it’s hard for me at least to look at it without the lens of “this is a reskin of another movie” but when I try to think about it without the other movie in mind I got more attached to the characters bc I saw more of them in general. Loved this episode tho, can’t wait for your frosty the tattoo’d battle warrior episode :>
I agree. The Snyder Cut is many things at once; gratuitous fan service, an HBO Max marketing strategy, a Snyder ego trip, and at the same time a much better movie than the theatrical Justice League.
Zach Snyders Justice League is leaps better than Josstice League. Snyder was going to use the time travel concept years before Marvel did with Endgame. If he'd been able to stay on track.
Why does it matter who came first? It should be remembered for who did it better. And both comic labels delve into time travel, its not like Snyder was some trailblazer.
@@ItWasAShtShow Well it matters that Josstice League was a chopped together mess because people who were fans paid money to see that. Personally I think Snyder was going do the time travel thing better. Seeing as he was dropping hints in BvS. Instead of Endgame "Hey we can go back in time and get the stone's" thats not a trailblazer by no regards LOL. He was "delving" into time travel before MCU knew what to name Endgame. And personally he did it better than "well need to get to plot point 2." Its fine you guys don't like him everyone has an opinion.
@@ItWasAShtShow just don't say "why's it matter who came first" when he had everything set in place for year's but the only thing the MCU has on DC is they answer to Feigie whereas DC they had to worry about corporate shills who only worry about money and trying to "copy paste" everything MCU has done.
@@Deathstroke4200 They didn't say that Endgame was a timetravel trailblazer. They just pointed out that it is not an uncommon theme, and there is no need to compare them on that basis alone. Prisoner of Azkaban did the "time travel used to correct past mistakes" a long time ago. Snyder cannot be given the credit for that trope.
In X-Men, Joss was behind this moment: "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else. [lightning strikes]" According to him, it was meant to be... "[lightning strikes] Huh...the same thing that happens to everything else." So the smallest thing can make or break a line. While Snyder encourages ad-libbing, Joss needs actors to say the words perfectly. Snyder adds people of color for the sake of progress; Joss is an actual storyteller. He shouldn't have tried to fix this mess of a movie. Then again, neither should've Snyder.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 I believe the point is that when lightning strikes something, what occurs is something very similar to what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning.
Snyder is a very niche director and his films are enjoyable to me, I respect that he’s got his own style. I thought ZSJL was a decent film with very cool world building. Wished it was the version we got in the cinemas. And it’s really totally fine for anyone to think the film is bad. But the Rae girl in this podcast totally ripping apart Zack Snyder at every turn and shitting on the guy as a human being is extremely distasteful. Even mocking his choice to use his daughters favourite song in the film is such a low act. Shit, the girls death is forever synonymous with the JL saga and would be so cathartic to the Snyder family to finish the film that they left during the absolute worst time a parent could have. I hope that Rae never experiences the hate she’s giving Zack and I truly deeply hope that nobody records and broadcasts themselves mocking and making fun of her after she suffers a death in her immediate family
It's not hate. It's criticism. Just because you lose someone doesn't mean you get a break. Whether creatively in Zack's case, or just generally. You like what you like and you dislike what you dislike. Just because of a loss in someone's art that you enjoy doesn't mean that they have to view something with rose-colored glasses. I'm sorry that you take her criticism too heart. But don't take that grief and aim it at someone who is simply criticizing a piece of art.
@@raymondkravitz2001 My post stated that it's fine to not like the film. I said it's very distasteful to attack the director as a person just because you didn't like the film or their previous work. The online fan community these days is plagued by ignorance and outright hate for those in the industry. Soon there won't be any directors wanting to tackle big IP's for fear of having their personal lives ripped apart by the masses
A special place in hell for people who make people cry? Are you kidding me? How about people who purport my body my choice because a baby would be inconvenient? Priorities...
People only show you the parts of them they want you to see, so no one can say they really know someone. No one knows what happened but the ppl involved and yea it's almost impossible for a black man to say he's been discriminated against, belittled, threatened, or disrespected nowadays.. #ReleaseTheSnyderVerse
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The female host's hate for this movie gives me life 😆(sorry still learning your names) My new favorite podcast. Now I've listened to every episode and I'm sad. I need more!
Its funny because this was right next to comment about how Rae's hatred of Snyder made the show "imbalanced (?)." We like your comment much better! Glad you've been enjoying it.
@@ItWasAShtShow People can be so humorless. I actually love the movie and I like Zack Snyder's work but it was still funny.
@@juniorm641 Agreed, lighten up everyone!
@@ItWasAShtShow What's your release schedule btw?
@@juniorm641 Ha! Wednesdays. Thats it, but nothing coming down the pipe as of yet. Working on it. We have full time jobs, and summer is the craziest.
Make my voice be 4:3 ratio 😂😂 gosh I dig y'all. ❤️
Actually Guardians of the Galaxy introduced a bunch of characters all at once in one movie in not much over 2 hours, so it can be done. And NONE of those characters were known by the general public. 4 of the Justice League characters were well known to the public, the biggest 2 that weren’t were Aquaman and Cyborg, but it could be argued that the Teen Titans cartoon gave a good foundation for Cyborg.
I'm not sure it's exactly the same deal - the expectation for JL was not just to introduce sidekicks, but to introduce characters who could then go on to do standalone movies. Nobody was begging for a solo movie of any of the Guardians after their movie. Expecting such a big ensemble to introduce solo movie worthy characters was too much. WB put the cart before the horse because they wanted to rush their Infinity War moment instead of building to it.
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Haha! I have no memory of this…
@@ItWasAShtShow lets face it, it’d be weird if you did. Just know it was very funny
You mention Batman Vs Superman at the end, it's my opinion that BvS makes sense once you realize that "Martha" is Bruce and Clark's Safeword.
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Kinky.
I can’t “un-hear” that now. Thanks for that.
So fucking scary that even as far back as Buffy, people were afraid of leaving Whedon alone with a 15 year old and he was STILL HIRED BY MARVEL
Disney don’t give a fuck as long as you give them the green
@@MatthewBreck but God help you if you made a stupid tweet a decade before they hire you
Well, Disney hired a convicted child abuser after spending 16 months of jail time to put him on Suite Life of Zack and Cody... They've done far worse.
@@D0NTST4RT I would argue that's another reason Disney deserves to get shit because of not doing background checks before they hire. James Gunn having a Troma rated Twitter is nothing after hiring a a guy like Joss Whedon and they previously hired an actual CONVICTED CHILD SO to work on a kids show.
Regarding the quote that broke Ian or Clint (still learning y’all, sry): I’d like to see one of these super hero ensembles use a team of previously unused heroes and introduce them Ocean’s Eleven style. Or… wait, did I just write The Suicide Squad? 🤔
I was quite baffled watching The Snyder Cut, as I knew it was 4hrs, but I kept thinking what have they added? It's the 2hrs movie, is it playing at 0.5 speed? Obviously there are additional scenes, and scene extensions, but I thought the majority of changes were just alt dialog. I can't believe Snyder would wanted to have released this in theaters, surely he would have looked to hack an hour off it at least, as it drags out such a straight forward story.
It really doesn’t add much does it? It’s a whole bunch of shit that would have been cut anyway to make a theatrical release.
Snyder is on record saying that he has shorter cuts of the movie that are more theatre friendly. The reason ZSJL is 4h long is because fans wanted to see the WHOLE thing so he gave them everything he had
@@stellviahohenheim Scorsese and Jackson didn't have fans campaigning for years for the release of a cut of their movies, how is a director giving his fans what they ask him equal to thinking highly of themselves?
Try harder
@@marocainforlifeBecause he’s nowhere near that level. Rubble Moon was a joke with 40 minutes of slow motion. He’s not called Zack the Hack for nothing.😂😂😂😂😂
While I agree that WB rushed into JL too quickly, you can't blame Snyder. I read an interview with Chris Terrio I think it was, and he said that WB railroaded Snyder into BvS and then the Justice League storyline after MoS when Snyder wanted to do build up movies/a sequel to MoS.
For sure. WB was just impatient and greedy because their contracts were expiring and all they cared about was their bonuses. Personally, if they would have had any integrity to give the filmmakers the time they needed, maybe they would have been a more desirable in future projects and possibly improved their position in the industry as an intinty that you could count on to deliver a solid product.
@@R.L.M.3743 What's an intinty??
@@samembaye7077 idk, what's an intinty with you?
@@simonjenkin Uhmm, an up-dog??
You just know Joss Whedon had been sitting on that Brunch joke for years, and then thought this is the Movie to use it in. Or maybe he had nothing for the scene, and thought you know that thing I always say when we go out for Brunch every Sunday?
He probably sat there with his crayons kicking his little legs in his booster chair, laughing at the joke
Firstly, I'm new to this podcast, but damn, you guys are addicting to listen to! Secondly, though, I know it's nowhere near out yet; I can already see The Flash movie being a subject of a future podcast episode because holy crap xDD
Nonetheless, I look forward to more episodes from y'all very much, and this episode convinced me to sub to the channel. Probably because of that Frosty the Snowman tangent or just Clint, but who knows? :)
Glad you found us! And glad you find our nonsense tangents entertaining!
As someone who only saw the Snyder cut and didn’t have anything to compare it to: I think it was worth it, I actually liked it a lot. I’m happy that they’re not doing anymore Snyderverse but for what it was it was a good time. I especially liked the Cyborg story
I really enjoyed the commentary. I actually enjoyed Snyder's cut for the record... but I still found you guys (and gal) to be entertaining. Thanks for the podcast!
Good grief - SHE IS HILARIOUS. Do you guys ever name yourselves? I’d listen to any of you solo or together. “I just had a case of the wh-hedons.”
Rae! Is that right? Gat-damn she’s funny.
Rae is so amazing I love her!!
There’s a comic store owner out of Las Vegas that is still ranting 3-5 days/week about ZSJL on his YT channel. The dude is 50, and exhibits all the crazy behaviour you folks covered in this and the other ZSJL video. Totally defended Ezra and claimed The Flash was a success. He must scare away customers at some point.
I saw this in IMAX at the Australian premiere and it was epic!! 4 hours flew by and it was a completely immersive experience. I only didn’t like the tacked on Knightmare sequence.
Picturing a Zack Snyder designed car with a vertically oriented windshield
😂😂😂😂😂
The year is 2044, the 27th different version of the Snyder cut has just been released, the 18th Sh*t Show Podcast discussing it has just been released & Jenny Rae has still not seen the movie.....
Watching/listening today... Ray Fisher is filming "Rebel Moon" with... 🥁... Zach Snyder 👍
+ I definitely liked the Snyder version better... Yet I watched it once and probably never again and... It's 🤦♂️ still so messy, bloated and weird editing at times for sure.
Why they cannot make a IRL version of something like the Justice League animated movies is just sad, how it can be done it RIGHT there... 😅
Now that's a *cold* open.
I love watching crap moves on 2x. Makes it much more enjoyable
God, if there is anything I learn from this episode, it's that Joss Whedon is a terrible person, like man how terrible he is kinda ruins some of the stuff he made
I do think the Snyder cut of justice league was better, there was more heart to it some of the characters were flushed out a little more but let’s be real it was really the same story as the other movie except there was a couple characters more in the Snyder cut.
That being said while I think Man of Steel he’s my favorite superman movie of all time and I do love the casting of all the characters in justice league, I really wish they would’ve just done it the right way. I know everyone saying that “oh that’s marvelous way that doesn’t mean it’s right!”
When you have individual movies that at first don’t really connect together and you love those movies and then the lead from all of those movies show up in one movie together it makes it feel more epic it makes it feel more special. The DCEU was rushed for bonus reasons because they knew AT&T was going to be selling to discovery in a couple years. And they thought all you had to do was put these movies out and they would make $1 billion because that’s what Disney was doing with Marvel Studios and Lucas film. And while I think Zack Snyder is a good Director I think he does better with just a one character movie like man of steel. Once he starts trying to put a team in there I feel like most of his focus goes to the looking feel of the movie but not actual the story or the characters as much. I think Batman versus superman was a good movie 3/4 in but then the last quarter of that movie he just couldn’t help himself. That was too much for one movie. And it was stupid to kill superman in the second movie in your shared universe because it’s not like when Iron Man died were you had people crying in the theater because they had been with that version of Iron Man for nine or 10 movies or whatever. It meant something when Iron Man died. When Superman died no one cared because we knew he was coming back in justice league.
I am a DC diehard fan, I don’t hate Marvel I think people that hate things like that are kind of crazy it’s OK not to be a fan but to have a hatred of it I think makes someone a psychopath because it’s just entertainment, and I actually believe DC has the better universe to do a shared cinematic universe but the fans kind of only have themselves to blame here. They did not support man of steel in theaters, and they made fun of Batman versus superman for a full year after it came out. You couldn’t go on social media in a DC group without people posting that stupid Martha meme 50 times a day.
So they didn’t care about Zack Snyder’s first movie and then they made fun of the second one, fans need to understand that you kind of need to support this stuff when it’s happening because I thought the fans look really dumb, not all of us but all these people all the sudden only after Warner Bros. show Zack Snyder the door do they decide they really love him. So where was all this love and support when he needed you guys?
The second best part of this podcast is reading the comments crying about their idols being trashed
I love you guys!
Love the podcast! So sad that people won’t just let you guys have your own opinions! I actually really like Snyder’s version of the film, but I still loved this episode and laughed many times! Great episode!
Awesome! We can all live in harmony!
Turns out Ray Fisher has only been in Snyders movies.....
I love this series and this is probably my favourite episode.
@@Janograd yours or mine? I mean, I really do love the podcast and I this really was probably my favourite episode of the bunch at the time (now, it's the Empires of the Deep episode of course. Speaking of, #ReleaseEmpiresOfTheDeep) as it really covered a lot of the things I too felt about the SnyderVerse.
It's sad all this discussion about Bat Girl and we'll never see it because of tax fudging by HBO Warner.
So glad I don't follow Twitter... yikes.
Just started getting into this podcast/show. A bit sad to hear how you all approached Fisher's claims of racism. But such is the experience of people of color throughout the world. Brushing off his concerns so long as long as you can find some other reason for something happening. I'll just note that you didn't take the same approach in critiquing the allegations of the buffy cast.
To be more nuanced, the disappointment stems from the process of "take it with a grain of salt" from the beginning, and then coming up with reasons throughout. If this were your process of evaluating claims throughout your podcast, then I'd get it. But at this point I've listened to about 20 episodes of the podcast (I've jumped around) and I've never heard this approach taken. Racism gets explained away so much with "well I know that guy and he's not racist" or "that guy wouldn't do that, have you seen his love for the community" or "it wasn't racism it was (insert other reason here)", etc. This isn't gonna make me stop listening, I love the content and think you all are pretty thoughtful generally - this discussion specifically seemed slightly problematic even though I don't think that was intentional (I note there are times at least some of the group more explicitly points out the racism - i.e. the investigation of racism including interviews with what is likely mostly white ppl).
Thank you for this thoughtful criticism and comment. It’s definitely not our intention to be flippant with racism, as we try to call it out when we see it (like our Jewel of the Nile episode).
In this case, all the racism claims are coming from who I’d argue is a bad faith actor. I say take a grain of salt because he’s been very vocal about so many things, and bringing them all up to eleven, as if that set was a KKK sex trafficking party. Whedon’s abuse and sexism claims have been backed up by many others, but not the racism. Fisher is the only one saying it.
Since recording this, Fisher has proven himself an unreliable source and an outright troll (see his latest shit throwing towards James Gunn).
Again, we aren’t dismissing the racism, I’m questioning Fisher himself.
Thanks again for a proper dialogue (it’s rare on here).
@@ItWasAShtShow Thanks for the further context. I just finished the "#ReleaseTheSnyderCut" episode and I do think you all did a good job of pointing out that his concerns were valid (even trolls can have valid points). Again I'm not expecting your podcast to solve racism or anything, but I do look forward to hearing the Jewel of the Nile episode.
Glad you’re enjoying the podcast!
the beautiful thing about the way the mcu started their eu was that they teased it all. every movie became a trailer for a new movie to help build up the hype. apparently Warner Bros didn't realize they weren't even on that hype train from the start and instead put in some lame emails adendums into one of their lame ass movies and then thought they were on the same level. like everything they did from then on would be just as eagerly gobbled up.
Snyder wanted to burn down the house with his Version of a DCU. Guess he wanted a huge version of "Brightburn" with the following movies. 🙄
I like the movie... until Supes started to maim the villain. At that moment i remember why i wasn't a fan of the Snyderverse at the first place.
He's done just as bad, if not worse in other adaptations and the comics themselves. Superman is not Mr Rogers.
it seems like a studio decision, to test a longer format movie as a streaming exclusive as a test more traditional shorter movie lengths in the age of binge watching and instant resume. The campaign just helped it be a safe choice to get profit even if the test didn't succeed. I think fans are deluded if they think such tactics give them a voice or that their harassment campaign made a difference.
“Make my voice sound like it’s 4:3”
Actually laughed out loud mid step while carrying heavy gear through the shop. Had to stop for a moment.
Well done, Jenny Ray.
How about a sign: "you must be THIS WHITE to fly" xD
You guys have chemistry on par or better than when cracked used to do “After Hours”,
I don’t know if that’s a compliment or not, but it’s weirdly specific enough, that I’ll take it!
@@ItWasAShtShow i mean ive put on several of your podcast episodes in a row while playing Minecraft and never get board because you all flow so well together that its always funny and entertaining. Probably the most engaging YT podcast ive seen, i think they deserve far more views.
That means a lot! Thanks!
I know I’m late but I completely agree with this sentiment! I got recommended the Fast and Furious video and turned on the podcast for back to the future part 2 & 3. I just like listening to them banter!
Why do I feel like the Frosty action movie became the new David Harbour Santa movie...
Still new to the channel i hope you guys dont shit on every movie you talk about i thought it was just about the troubled production of movies
I also loved Ben Affleck in BVS. The fact that there was never a solo movie for his interpretation still saddens me
Of course all they did was decolorize Superman's suit. I thought it was funny that people were excited for a black & white suit.
I enjoy the snyder cut I honestly just wanted it because it would fit more with the snyder "trilogy" but it is hilarious how people can get so wound up by make believe charecters.
Even though I have really enjoyed this podcast, it really shows your bias against DC. In my opinion, ZS Justice League is what I’ve always wanted in a superhero movie. It was nearly perfect.
Bias against DC? Don’t be like that, dude. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions. Clint loves all comics and we’re both diehard Batman fans (I just made a 25minute love letter video about him!).
Maybe it was just a sh*tty movie?
also, everything isn't a "shit show", just because it was difficult to make.
@@plasticweapon That's LITERALLY what our channel is.
Bro did we even watch the same movie 😂🤣 its in the bottom 5 super hero movies since 2000 easily
The commentary is actually longer than the movie.. 😂
Just to be clear, the 4:3 ratio didn’t crop the sides out, it just opened up the mattes on the top and bottom of the footage. Areas that are meant to not be shown, but to have as a safe zone for repositioning the frame of a shot a little here and there. That being said, editing and releasing it in 4:3 was fucking *stupid* . 😂
Do you know that for sure? Because its entirely based on the tech being used. If they did do that, then he’d have to scale it down to fit. But I’m pretty sure side comparisons show that footage was being cropped. And he never attended to release it like that when filming, so how could he prepare for that?
This is all breaking my brain…
@@ItWasAShtShow The comparisons I looked at had extra headroom and nothing (or very little) missing from the sides. It was likely a combination of the two since most cinema cameras both digital and film shoot with an actual ratio a bit taller than what they get cropped to. This is why some old school VHS tape copies of films were sometimes the "open matte" versions with funny shit that was never intended to be seen, including boom mics or costumed characters wearing sneakers, actors in socks, etc, rather than pan and scan. You see this a lot in bts footage where you can see the monitor with crop lines and safe areas overlaid over a larger frame that the camera sensor is capturing.
Edit: yeah the ARRI cameras they allegedly used shoot at 2.11:1 fully open gate, so that's actually even wider than either of the two versions of the film, meaning both versions were technically cropped in from what the full sensor captured, so it would have varied from shot to shot just depending on where the directors/editors ended up putting their mattes in either cut. The whole situation with this movie is just fucking bonkers in the end. But this would explain why some shots were still just as wide but had more headroom in 4:3 while others were the opposite. It was shot in 6.5K and was cropped for every shot to begin with.
I think we arrived there! We did it. I bet that extra space required more VFX work (removing boom mics and socks).
That said, it literally still makes the image smaller because you’re wasting screen real estate, for no reason.
@@ItWasAShtShow Yup. The answer still leaves me with more questions lol
LOBO is coming and he is pissed.
54:36 my God this was spot on 😂
After Rebel Moon, I'm convinced Zack cannot make a good movie, 300 being the only exception. Don't let this man film another movie please I'm begging
You stole the words from my mouth. He’s a con artist. Refusing to denounce his fans sending death threats to reporters. We know what type of people do this. That and his connection to a shady Lebanese billionaire. Don’t be fooled, Zack is a goosestepping moron.
So this is just a Zack Snyder hate video.....?
It’s a podcast actually... but it’s a history of everything that happened since our last JL recording. Whether we don’t like the film, or Zack Snyder’s work, is entirely our individual opinions. As is yours. If you like Snyder or the Snyder cut, awesome! To each their own.
You do recognize that the majority do not like Snyders iteration of DC characters? You can’t strong arm everyone
He’s not Kubrick, cope.
@@75YBA he doesn't have to be!
@@Michael-mt6yb you do realize that you're being elitist and trying to silence through your projecting?
Ppl went from shitting on bvs to having him call in on a show. The true SnyderVerse
I saw a funny tweet that basically said “I preferred life back in 2016 when we all agreed that BvS and Suicide Squad were bad.”
And even despite all of this it is still my favorite superhero movie of all time.
And that’s ok!
Zack Snyder seems to miss more than hit in my opinion. Even when his movies aren't messed with by other people. I think 300 and Dawn Of The Dead remake are considered his best films. I remember coming across the Dawn Of The Dead remake years ago on the scifi channel and I thought it was one of those corny scifi original movies. 300 didn't have any impact on me either way. I felt neutral about it. I guess I'm just not the demographic for his stuff. But more power to him for getting his vision for this movie out. I didn't watch either of them. But this podcast about it was interesting. Lol.
I remember watching 300 when I was about 14 or something, and even then, when I cared less about story and character and was more into action, I was there thinking 'am I meant to find this interesting just because the visuals look cool?'. Didn't dislike it, just so little impact, haven't watched it since.
He’s washed up now. NF isn’t gonna front millions for a 3rd rate space movie.
I think I’d agree with the vitriol and skepticism about a Snyder cut and all the childish outrage over them before I saw the movie. But I saw it and I was actually impressed that it was pretty cohesive and had good drama. But I had low expectations so
And that’s ok! We’re allowed to like whatever we want.
I know this is old and this was a minor point on this episode and all, but it really irk me when people make this argument.
Warner bros didn't need to follow the marvel model and start with smaller individual movies for multiple characters. The MCU model isnt the only one that works, we have seen a different one work rather well and DC was the one that did it well first, which makes the JL movies failure hit even worse. I am talking about the model both Dc and Marvel often use in animation, and the 90s DCAU JL cartoon is just a master class. You don't need to have watched the superman or the batman shows before to jump at the world invasion 3 part pilot, get a good first impression of each character, see an interesting plot, see the league been formed... and it only lasts some 70 minutes, fits neatly in a standard movie with time to spare. Seriously, that they didn't just make the JL movie a sort of reimagining of that pilot but with some different characters, and milked the shit out of that in marketing. They had the recipe right there, proven and tested, all with a bonus moon sized free nostalgia bait. Sucks to suck I guess.
You know no one cares right
@@marvelousball You know that phrase is self contradictory?
1:23:55 That is THE best way to describe what WB and DC have been doing with their universe! 🤣 Oh my god. Can you guys do a Shit Show on The Batman? The things that have been said about that production seem RIPE for an episode.
Outside of its COVID delay, I’m not sure what else you’d be referring to.
@@ItWasAShtShow Don’t know how true these are but there was the whole Matt Reeves hated working with Pattinson, someone caught Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz banging on the Batmobile aaaand now that I’m typing these things out loud maybe everything was too outlandish to be true. 🤣
The Polynesian Snowman.
How do you sound ginger?
please 🙏 enough time has passed 😅release / record part 2 😢I need it
Part 2 of this?
I just love all your stuff so much I'll take anything! 💗 hahahaha 😆
I wish your lady host wasnt just my cousin if she did this its actually the most distracting thing in the world 😂
What?
@@ItWasAShtShow she has the same voice the same accent the same pattern of speech and says the same shit to the point that its weird lol
@@joshelderkin9592 Of your cousin? You're not making any sense bud. Re read your first comment.
@@ItWasAShtShow Don't worry. Guy gives me vibes of "You remind me of my sister!" to a stripper.
I mean..bit weird, but ultimately harmless.
people saying this cut is actually good convinced me covid-brain was a real and serious thing.
Zack Snyder’s Sucker Punch doesn’t exist yet because the studio won’t release his cut. He’s been on record saying that his vision for Sucker Punch, like David Ayer’s Suicide Squad cut, has not been seen. All you have is the studio cut of those films.
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Many years back after BvS trailer had dropped a friend was going to Jersey to play a rugby game Cavil was attending, he knew they were gonna lose he just wanted to shout “Do you bleed!” He did and apparently Cavil rolled his eyes, he’d heard it a few times.
This friend moved away and I miss him so when I saw the Whedon Cut call back to that line I smiled thinking about how my friend and how Cavil might have enjoyed getting his own back.
And that is my main reason for not liking the Snyder Cut cause it didn’t appreciate an in-joke I have with no-one cause he’s moved.
Rae didn't just express her opinion (which is fine, obviously), she WANTED to shit on anything Snyder-related, it screamed bad faith, and that was so gratuitous... I love your podcast, I've said it elsewhere, but she kinda damaged this one. It seems to me that Sh*t shows aren't... that.
He’s a washed up fraud that needs shady billionaire friends to make his crap look edible.
I did like this version of the film
I wished it were the original version
But all these pretentious stuffs
Bang on guys LoL
Complains about the movie being too long...
Does an almost 2 hour podcast crying about it.
Ain't nobody got time for that.
I just wanted to hear about the movie production. Oh well. Wrong channel.
Man discovers human conversations can be longer than movies.
Cries about it.
@@ItWasAShtShowYou folks are my inner voice! ❤😂
Oh please cover The Flush with Ezra Groomer and Rubble Moon.
20:26 He’s such a joke. Claiming to own DC characters.
I had to stop the podcast at 30 minutes.
The negative bias and hate the female host has towards Snyder is so evident. And not even in a move maker level but at a personal level.
And that's not "an opinion" it's just toxic, childish behaviour. Hating someone on a personal level just because he makes movies you don't like, just pathetic.
Also, she says Snyder has a huge ego multiple times. Jesus, these haters make up the craziest things in their heads just to justify their hate. Literally anyone who has worked with Snyder has said he is the most humble and easy-to-work-with director. Every actor, stuntman and crew worker has nothing but good things to say about the guy.
But I guess small time youtubers know best. That attitude just shows the clear bias of this podcast that seems to be done by 15 year olds.
And you don’t see the irony of your own bias towards Snyder?
@@ItWasAShtShow CULT.
Love this channel, but I gotta stand up for "Hallelujah," that song is awesome. Also #releasemomoafrostee
I think the directors cut is definitely an improvement, I even think it might be a good movie if it was an hour shorter. Im glad the actors and snyder got to have their movie.
16:9 and 4:3 are the same ratio.
Rae does seem to have an irrational hatred of Zack Snyder, which made the podcast quite imbalanced.
So? She’s allowed to have that opinion. Much like you and I are allowed our own.
@@ItWasAShtShow There's no So. I'm fine with it. Like you said, I'm allowed to state my opinion. That's mine. I'm not asking her to stop saying what she thinks.
@@valkyrst620 I haven’t listened to the episode yet. Did she happen to make any “Superman NEVER smiled in these flicks” level Hot Takes?
@@davidw.2791 na, was just a little too over the top with going after almost anything Snyder has done. I’m not his biggest fan but it felt a little odd is all.
@@valkyrst620 Then I’ll give this podcast episode a try. :) Blatant observational lies is the main line I draw.
Peter Berg is a real hack. Imagine having to do press for Battleship lmfao sheeessssh
I don’t remember talking about him in this episode, but Berg plays the studio game. He made Battleship so they would fund Lone Survivor. It was entirely a pay check job.
This was impossible to sit through sorry yall
Sorry. Not everything is for everyone. But you don’t need to leave a mean comment. Just stop watching.
@@ItWasAShtShow Nobody forced you to watch the Snyder Cut and make this show.
@@MisogynyMan I can just tell by seeing your screen name here that disregarding anything you say is probably for the best
@@PhilSFreep congratulations on your ability to read
@@MisogynyManThanks! Your last comment is the last thing I'll ever read from you though😁
Fucking thank you, thank you, thank you.
The only way I could force myself to watch this thing was on a plane lol
Meaning I needed to be trapped in a metal tube in the air haha
I just...ugh...seeing how the fans gobbled this up and tried to defend everything Snyder...just drives me up the wall.
My respect for someone goes down a notch if they really can't see what a shit show the whole DC Snyderverse thing was.
The ironic cynicism from this group is insufferable.
I know you’re throwing two random words together to sound smart, but I’d love for you to provide an example of “ironic cynicism.”
@@ItWasAShtShow Any time it descends into attacks on Snyder on a personal or professional level, childish mockery of his artistic choices, his aesthetic etc. There are too many examples to list them all, certainly any time a quote from Snyder was being read, the female host couldn't do so without adding her pithy little impression. Hyperbolic nonsense about the film being 80% slow motion, mocking him for using a Leonard Cohen song. It all reeks of bad faith critique and a lack of emotional maturity. And I'm relatively confident I'm correct because here you are challenging me. I'm glad I listened to the whole video before giving it a thumb's down, I gave the group every opportunity to make a compelling video. Sadly it didn't get there. Best of luck in your future artistic endeavours, hopefully your critics treat them with more thoughtfulness and sincerity than you've exhibited in this video.
Mrs. Snyder you don’t need to defend your dumb husband. Also I don’t think you know what ironic or cynicism means.
@@ItWasAShtShow 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@ItWasAShtShow
That’s more than a bit over the top of a response. I mean, honestly you gave Snyder so much more trashy analysis and condemnation than you actually did Whedon. That film he put out WAS GARBAGE. This wasn’t. But it also wasn’t finished.
And despite how you said Snyder had a template, he literally didn’t when he presented the plan to the WB executives AND they signed off on his entire plan.
Iron Man and Hulk came out the same year and then they didn’t do another character film until IM2 two years later. Snyder made his presentation probably in late 2011 before Avengers came out. So there wasn’t a plan bc they hadn’t even released Thor or The First Avenger until 2011. Additionally MOS was 2013 and BvS was 2016. So technically by 2017, sure, the Avengers was already out but they’d already introduced the Trinity by 2017 and Superman and Wonder Woman had already had solo films, too. They did the solo films before production on Justice League started.
So, sure, the idea of introducing so many other characters shouldn’t have been on his mind, bc he’d already helped introduce half of the JL before the film; so a 4-hour cut wasn’t going to be necessary.
However, you left out all the timeline and how they HAD been EXPLICITLY trying to copy the MCU from the very beginning.
I think you could’ve simply said Snyder tried to do too much without spending an hour disparaging the man’s actions.
Now, 3 years later, I don’t think anyone would say Snyder is a great director but his vision was already there, approved and then backed out of by WB. That Ayer Cut joke was kinda offensive bc it tied into the films too, and it was studio interference that was the issue with why the film bombed. Your criticism seems overly personal and unfortunately doesn’t seem like a fulsome interpretation of the film.
You weren’t half as hard on QOS, for example-and it wasn’t a particularly good film, either. Honestly it was worse than this film.
Really disappointed by this analysis.
Eh, i wish they focused more on the movie itself.
Sorry? Our whole thing is the making of movies.
I actually kinda liked the snyder cut. I feel like it’s hard for me at least to look at it without the lens of “this is a reskin of another movie” but when I try to think about it without the other movie in mind I got more attached to the characters bc I saw more of them in general.
Loved this episode tho, can’t wait for your frosty the tattoo’d battle warrior episode :>
I agree. The Snyder Cut is many things at once; gratuitous fan service, an HBO Max marketing strategy, a Snyder ego trip, and at the same time a much better movie than the theatrical Justice League.
Zach Snyders Justice League is leaps better than Josstice League. Snyder was going to use the time travel concept years before Marvel did with Endgame. If he'd been able to stay on track.
Why does it matter who came first? It should be remembered for who did it better. And both comic labels delve into time travel, its not like Snyder was some trailblazer.
@@ItWasAShtShow Well it matters that Josstice League was a chopped together mess because people who were fans paid money to see that. Personally I think Snyder was going do the time travel thing better. Seeing as he was dropping hints in BvS. Instead of Endgame "Hey we can go back in time and get the stone's" thats not a trailblazer by no regards LOL. He was "delving" into time travel before MCU knew what to name Endgame. And personally he did it better than "well need to get to plot point 2." Its fine you guys don't like him everyone has an opinion.
@@ItWasAShtShow just don't say "why's it matter who came first" when he had everything set in place for year's but the only thing the MCU has on DC is they answer to Feigie whereas DC they had to worry about corporate shills who only worry about money and trying to "copy paste" everything MCU has done.
@@Deathstroke4200 They didn't say that Endgame was a timetravel trailblazer. They just pointed out that it is not an uncommon theme, and there is no need to compare them on that basis alone. Prisoner of Azkaban did the "time travel used to correct past mistakes" a long time ago. Snyder cannot be given the credit for that trope.
In X-Men, Joss was behind this moment: "Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else. [lightning strikes]" According to him, it was meant to be... "[lightning strikes] Huh...the same thing that happens to everything else."
So the smallest thing can make or break a line. While Snyder encourages ad-libbing, Joss needs actors to say the words perfectly. Snyder adds people of color for the sake of progress; Joss is an actual storyteller. He shouldn't have tried to fix this mess of a movie. Then again, neither should've Snyder.
What's your point?
Well, that is some incoherent bullshit you just typed.
@@ptolemeeselenion1542 I believe the point is that when lightning strikes something, what occurs is something very similar to what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning.
Snyder is a very niche director and his films are enjoyable to me, I respect that he’s got his own style. I thought ZSJL was a decent film with very cool world building. Wished it was the version we got in the cinemas. And it’s really totally fine for anyone to think the film is bad. But the Rae girl in this podcast totally ripping apart Zack Snyder at every turn and shitting on the guy as a human being is extremely distasteful. Even mocking his choice to use his daughters favourite song in the film is such a low act. Shit, the girls death is forever synonymous with the JL saga and would be so cathartic to the Snyder family to finish the film that they left during the absolute worst time a parent could have. I hope that Rae never experiences the hate she’s giving Zack and I truly deeply hope that nobody records and broadcasts themselves mocking and making fun of her after she suffers a death in her immediate family
It's not hate. It's criticism. Just because you lose someone doesn't mean you get a break. Whether creatively in Zack's case, or just generally.
You like what you like and you dislike what you dislike. Just because of a loss in someone's art that you enjoy doesn't mean that they have to view something with rose-colored glasses.
I'm sorry that you take her criticism too heart. But don't take that grief and aim it at someone who is simply criticizing a piece of art.
@@raymondkravitz2001 My post stated that it's fine to not like the film. I said it's very distasteful to attack the director as a person just because you didn't like the film or their previous work. The online fan community these days is plagued by ignorance and outright hate for those in the industry. Soon there won't be any directors wanting to tackle big IP's for fear of having their personal lives ripped apart by the masses
I liked this episode a lot but I feel it would have worked just as well without constantly dumping on the film and by extension fans of it
Shitting on braindead Snyder fans is hilarious. Stay mad lol
@positivetakes5592 You need to read the title of the channel again bub.
A special place in hell for people who make people cry? Are you kidding me? How about people who purport my body my choice because a baby would be inconvenient? Priorities...
Take your pro-life empathy gap somewhere else.
@Mark-OutWest Ducks turn into toasters if I’m scared of ballon’s.🤪
yikes shes married? this chick cant go 1 episode without man hating someone.
Oh no! A woman with an opinion!
You Snyder cultists are so predictable.
You will never have sex dude
People only show you the parts of them they want you to see, so no one can say they really know someone. No one knows what happened but the ppl involved and yea it's almost impossible for a black man to say he's been discriminated against, belittled, threatened, or disrespected nowadays.. #ReleaseTheSnyderVerse