For me, telegram's biggest feature is normie appeal. I have been able to migrate like 5-6 of my normie friends from whatsapp to telegram. I have been able to migrate 0 normie friends to signal.
@@phitc4242 I'd say it's mostly network effect. Most of my normie friends won't even bother installing Signal because they don't have enough contacts using it.
"Has more stickers ... so it's gonna be popular with the Zoomers" Wow, I got completely called out, my zoomer brain prefers it because of the big ass stickers packs(The limit is 120 I think) and the "You don't actually need your phone to use the desktop app", shitposting without having to constantly babysit my phone so it doesn't disconnect me because it got idle for too long is probably the main reason I mainly use Telegram
@@kajacx Yeah, the zucc owned one is the one I hate the most, I usually have to leave my phone with the screen unlocked and it opened in the foreground or it will complain about "Phone not connected to the network" even though if it would receive a message it would notify me about it with no problem
@@Calajese if they're not animated just send the stickerpack's link to @tgstowebpbot then extract the zip it sends you and use "Personal stickers for WhatsApp" to import them to the whatsucc all at once; enjoy sending rare pepes to normies
You talked about governments being able to block its traffic, but in fact, the Russian government tried for more than a year, failed eventually, and made temporarily unavailable quite a few innocent services in the process of blocking supposed telegram IPs. That is because it has a distributed server architecture, so they won't be screwed if one or 2 hosting providers kick them off or a government blocks some IP ranges or dns domains.
I suspect that Russian government failed because it is heavily corrupted(as its federal security service and all other ministries 😆😅) so nothing works as expected.
@@rasulseidagul that is not the case. The reason why Russian government failed to ban Telegram is because telegram's architecture (as Yaroslav listed above) In 2020, Russian gov. unbanned Telegram
@@papiezguwniak Its not native. Like many applications, Signal wrapped its webapp with electron (basically a "lightweight" browser). Telegram is written in C++ which we call native because of it. It is much faster because you dont run a complete web-browser. Low CPU usage, and low memory usage.
You forgot to mention unlimited storage. You can send file of almost any size and any kind. Tho distribution of illegal content will get the channel banned
@@AnonymousGentooman you can bring your messages from the cloud but losing your phone or breaking it that's a very special scenario that I don't think affects a ton of people. But if that's super important to you then sure. I first comment was about about that very day use and that most people don't have multiple phones they regularly use or least the people I know don't
@@Calajese the hell with you. Paper plane is more playful and fun than an actual telegraph. Telegraph reminds me of when England was ruining the world.
@@sharoyveduchi Maybe a paper plane could be better, if they didn't decide to use the laziest paper plane that exists, you can't even make a more basic paper plane than that one
Imagine if this video was literally him reviewing old fashion telegrams for talking to people? “One thing I don’t like about the telegram is you have to learn Morse code fist so there is a larger barrier to entry than usual”
@@samalexander3295 also ask them to install nest cameras in their bathrooms and toilets. If they respond with no then remind them that they said they have nothing to hide, after all.
@@veirant5004 (sry bad eng) never heard about this, i saw only about Roscomnadzor's director said something like "It was a mistake to try block it" and they gave up.
+1 on GPG! As it has quite a learning curve and IMO a high entry threshold, a tutorial (ideally a two-level one: a. for total normies and b. for people kinda into cybersec, but not knowledgeable about PGP/GPG) would be extremely useful and would be a great way to introduce non-techie friends to both this channel and GPG.
I get it man. Degrees of privacy and/or security. I use telegram first of all because it has better privacy respecting policies (given the latest censorship wave hitting most of main social media) and secondly I appreciate the features. I am fully aware of some OpSec. I assume that all data that has been put through the internet via encrypted channels is potentially usable against you. Everything is a trade-off. In short. I trust Telegram at this time. If it changes too much over time, I will simply move to a new tool. And in the process I will not put things I am not comfortable with online. I appreciate Telegram more for its neutrality when it comes to politics. A rare thing to find almost nowadays.
I've considered this app the "gateway drug" into private E2E communications. Most of my non tech friends got this at some point, and then theyll ask me "hey whats this secret chat end to end encryption thingy". Then I explain it, and then they say something like "Oh so like how Facebook and that sell your data" comes up soon after. Soon after that, many of them either end up using Secret Chats exclusively (when they can) or they'll make a bigger jump and go to something like signal. Telegram itself may not be the best option out there, but it's a way of alluring people who are not techies with big colorful stickers and fun features. I mean, Russia's Internet oversight authority RosKomNadzor has tried to block Telegram, but in the end it basically wiped out half of all AWS servers while Telegram barely even went down. I realise that's more a feature of their infrastructure, but it's got a good track record so far in terms of resilience to blocking attempts."Has more stickers ... so it's gonna be popular with the Zoomers" Wow, I got completely called out, my zoomer brain prefers it because of the big ass stickers packs(The limit is 120 I think) and the "You don't actually need your phone to use the desktop app", shitposting without having to constantly babysit my phone so it doesn't disconnect me because it got idle for too long is probably the main reason I mainly use Telegram
The problem about these sorts of programs is that barely no one ever uses them. At least there are people who kind of use Telegram, but not so much other more security/privacy focused similar programs.
Telegram is definitely less secure by design than Signal. The first problem is that chats aren't really more encrypted than using TLS to the central server. Even the "secret chats" are problematic because any end-to-end-encryption can be broken easily if it relies on a centralized structure. The central server can therefore perform a man-in-the-middle-attack on any user really. That also applies to Signal and Threema. Threema responded to this problem in a relatively good way by showing the state of physical verification in the contact list visually. So every user can easily see if the communication channel is trusted. Signal uses a "security number" to check just like WhatsApp which is obscuring the whole verification process of the encryption (which is not quite great) and it's pretty much hidden in the UI in comparison to Threema. Also when the security number in Signal changes (so your communication partner changes, their device changes or somebody else interfered the channel) you get a small notification in the chat (which gets basically ignored by most users). This does not happen on Threema because you need to explicitly clone your local key from device to device to keep your chats (so the key won't change) or you would need to use a new key and loose all chats at the same time. This may be inconvenient for general users but that's the price for actually good usage of encrypted chats.
Actually you will see ads in channels (maybe russian thing?), but ads are placed in 3rd-party platforms and channel owners just make posts with ads. Upcoming solution is to provide telegram's own ad platform and to make possible to distinguish ad posts from normal posts Reason for Telegram popularity is simple: enough features and at least some privacy. Open api made possible creating 3rd-party clients and bots, channels and groups gave basic social functions, community stickers with anime girls… And it is convenient for end user
Some minor corrections/additions to the video: - Channels are not like in discord. They are more like groups in social media I guess? Some limited amount of users (admins) can write, all others (subscribers) can only read. - Comments are made in a weird way: when you write a comment you actually writing a messenge to the linked group which is a replay to the past you comment (and you also do so without joining). - The bot API is BAD. It's good that it even exists, but overall it's just bad weird and not well thought. E.g. all strings are UTF-8 but code point indices they send to you are for UTF-16 strings (I was working with the API for a long time and there are a lot of similar weird things, trust me). Also the docs are only available in a human readable html, you can't use it to auto gen client libs. - The mtproto is even worse (though I didn't work with it). - Telegram is pretty resistent to government block, e.g. it was blocked in Russia and worked most of the time (and if it didn't you could setup a proxy). The government blocked half of the AWS trying to do something, but didn't succeed anyway. Also I assume it's 'blocked' in Iraq, but I don't know how well it works there (I've also heard that it works). Overall I would say that it's a good apps, but the "point" is totally not security (is better that WhatsApp, but I wouldn't call it secure anyway). The point is that it's easy to use, convenient and popular. Better than most social networks, but again: not private messaging app.
I try to pull my friends to telegram once in a while, and for some time it works but there always comes a time when they just randomly revert back to fb messenger for some bizzare reason like the share button from facebook allowing them to share stuff directly thru messenger. Boggles my mind, especially during the pandemic as facebook blackouts are so often and you just can't message anyone for half an hour, and messenger group chats were probably designed on shrooms as on pc a more lively convo just leads to the site crashing. Also the inability to send a picture without lossy compression makes me just furious
I don't buy the "don't roll your own" attitude that is common in the tech space. Sure you should give it a go and that will show you how much you don't know and you'll learn to value existing solutions. But to not roll your own as a rule? What if Satoshi followed the principle?
@8:10 I'm sure that customizing of this program does not involve getting rid of overlay-scrollbars and having traditional (useful) ones so that one is not forced to kill one's hand when scrolling tens of pages back...
Telegram is my mobile messenger of choice, just because I trust it more than Whatsapp. I'd rather use the encrypted jabber protocol, but barely anybody is willing or got the echnical background to use this anymore.
Telegram also provides a REST-ish API that allows you to build your own frontend app for it, there are a lot of apps for telegram like Unigram. I suggest anyone who doesn't like the original TG app try them instead.
Telegram Bot API is so underrated, you can build almost any application with it and still have a decent UI... i use it for my personal services and its awesome.
I use Telegram but mostly as a social network for people banned from Twitter and other mainstream social network sites. That is mostly passive. I rarely if ever comment. My preference for secure communications is Threema on the phone although that will likely change when I de-Google. I also use Signal, Wire, Element, and I would use Tox but no one I know is on it or seems interesting in using it.
The "easy to block" part looks like an assumption. Russia tried to block it, but no luck. Also in August, there were riots in Belarus with complete Internet blackout: no external resources, and no mobile broadband at all. The whole state was blocked with Sandvine hardware, and even with such restrictions telegram was usable (sometimes with external mtproto proxies), unlike tens of other VPN services. And it was the only reliable way to communicate with other people. So I don't think it's fair just to drop "easy to block" bomb with no evidence or research, just based on assumption of main telegram server being a thing. Also some telegram forks allow you to have some security with fake account, which can be useful when you are forced to show your messages from your own phone. So as a mean to avoid Internet shutdown it's really good and battle-tested messenger, with extra layer of e2e if you need it
I use telegram for years, it's really good on groups, easier to manage and restrict in general or persons individually (no gifs, no stickers, no audio). Voice and video calls works great on telegram, sending files is handy. Not all chats needs do be end-to-end encrypted, but there's the option for who wants it. signal I use only with one contact and I it's ok, but behind telegram on usability.
Maybe you're right. But Pavel Durov the owner has declared a $10mil reward ro cracking their cryptography, and Russian government failed to block Telegram even though they're benn trying to do this for over 3 years now. I mean, sire it's not the best, but it's pretty damn good. The real concern though, would be the back doors that are probably there.
could you add spanish subtitles? i want to share this with some of my irl friends (since that's the only thing i used whatsapp for) but i live in spain and spanish people don't speak good english
Let's be real any chat app that have large users base is connected to FBI and CIA , and we forgot the fact that we're connected to the internet that is provided by them, i mean by countries governments.
3:26 >stand back, we have math PhDs They do lol. Brother or Pavel Durov, Nikolai (i think the main guy behind telegram and other projects) has PhD in Algebraic geometry, arxiv.org/abs/0704.2030 Not that it has to do with anything, but i think it's cool.
i can trust telegram a lot better than google, the features are enough to make my family switch, and i cant trust any smartphone to keep e2e any more secure than telegram cloud chats. thats why i use it. if i need something more secure then ill use a different app.
I prefer their cloud chat encryption knowing that chats and encryption keys are not stored on the same servers. And they have been around since 2013 and make it clear that their policies mostly apply yo public channels and groups and not private. Also, the fact that you can self destruct your whole Telegram account remotely and your chats are not stored locally means no one can get into your chats or read your texts as they are not stored on your device. Unlike on Signal where your chats are all stored locally and all that would need to be done is bypass your lockscreen and open that app.
Please kindly tell us your telegram nickname so we can do the netstalking, thanks. Also is would be good of you to create a channel so we can do the bulling too.
Mental, my dude, love your content Howewer the blocking thing about Telegram is wrong. Apparently it is very difficult to block out. About a year ago РКН in russia attempted to do just this for about 6 month, as a result it killed a whole bunch of payment and other services when telegram kept working
I have both apps. All this scandal for the home-brew encryption. When will anyone make these theoretical attacks to the MTProto real? "Much talk, no action".
I think silence + twinme will be perfect alternative to WhatsApp or even Signal as twinme & silence are completely Open source & P2P thus 100% transparency and no downtime at all, but peer discovery isn't possible in it. That's where silence comes in, it uses existing network providers SMS infrastructure to send encrypted invites.
@@Ryan-xq3kl i do obsessover telegrams 2.5gb per file limit, especially when i still can see my chats history from 2015 and still be able to download the files i sent back then.
Channels on telegram run ads for quite a long time. I guess, what telegram is going to do is to get their cut from those ad revenues by providing a convenient and secure way of running ads both for channels and advertisers.
Is Telegram really for profit? As far I know thats not true. The founder Pavel Durov explicitly said once that Telegram is not a for-profit service and that a messenger shouldn't have the goal to make money.
Hello mate! im honestly a big fan of your channel and i love it a lot! great content! Also can you please do a video about deep packet inspection? i can't see mto find any information about it , or just a lil small info
From what I have noticed it doesn't really have any real userbase. But checking with www.securemessagingapps.com/ it isn't really much butter than Signal except the juristriction.
4:30 I would like to point out, that multiple countries, on multiple occasions tried to block telegram but failed. The most noteworthy one is probably Russia, telegram was officially banned for a long time but every time telegram found a way around it.
I was told abit back I sign up singel with just a email. On Google play is like need a phone number. But I got it anyhow never know when I need to use it. I did look in to theema still up in the air about it. I would pay for it if I got friends come and pay with me.
For me, telegram's biggest feature is normie appeal. I have been able to migrate like 5-6 of my normie friends from whatsapp to telegram. I have been able to migrate 0 normie friends to signal.
but why does signal not appeal?
@@phitc4242 I'd say it's mostly network effect. Most of my normie friends won't even bother installing Signal because they don't have enough contacts using it.
@@phitc4242 signal doesn't support chat backups on IOS which blocks its appeal for normies
"Has more stickers ... so it's gonna be popular with the Zoomers" Wow, I got completely called out, my zoomer brain prefers it because of the big ass stickers packs(The limit is 120 I think) and the "You don't actually need your phone to use the desktop app", shitposting without having to constantly babysit my phone so it doesn't disconnect me because it got idle for too long is probably the main reason I mainly use Telegram
@@kajacx WhatsApp do that lol
@@kajacx Yeah, the zucc owned one is the one I hate the most, I usually have to leave my phone with the screen unlocked and it opened in the foreground or it will complain about "Phone not connected to the network" even though if it would receive a message it would notify me about it with no problem
@@Calajese wow
@Nadeko I have 3 stickers of pepes, apus and spurdos that are at the limit, if I were to export them to zucczap it would be a nightmare
@@Calajese if they're not animated just send the stickerpack's link to @tgstowebpbot then extract the zip it sends you and use "Personal stickers for WhatsApp" to import them to the whatsucc all at once; enjoy sending rare pepes to normies
You talked about governments being able to block its traffic, but in fact, the Russian government tried for more than a year, failed eventually, and made temporarily unavailable quite a few innocent services in the process of blocking supposed telegram IPs. That is because it has a distributed server architecture, so they won't be screwed if one or 2 hosting providers kick them off or a government blocks some IP ranges or dns domains.
I suspect that Russian government failed because it is heavily corrupted(as its federal security service and all other ministries 😆😅) so nothing works as expected.
So, unfortunately, we cant take Russion gov blocking actions into account 😅 as representable example
@@rasulseidagul that is not the case. The reason why Russian government failed to ban Telegram is because telegram's architecture (as Yaroslav listed above)
In 2020, Russian gov. unbanned Telegram
and now they allow telegram... supicious state of the art DPI
Yet it's completely blocked in Iran.
Unlike Signal, Telegram has native GNU/Linux desktop application, not some electron bloat.
Yeah, that's the main selling point for me. So tired of progressive web applications...
True.
It's C++ with Qt Framework for Windows and for Linux.
Doesn't signal have Linux app? I installed signal on my Linux mint from their repository. I'm a Linux noob though so I don't know if it's native.
@@papiezguwniak Its not native. Like many applications, Signal wrapped its webapp with electron (basically a "lightweight" browser). Telegram is written in C++ which we call native because of it. It is much faster because you dont run a complete web-browser. Low CPU usage, and low memory usage.
@@SPYFFzero I see. Is it really that much of a problem with modern fast hardware? I mean when I check system resources, signal uses 0.1% of my CPU.
"Supergroups can have 5000 members" yet the group open towards the end of the video has 6k+?
Edit: Apparently the member cap is actually 200k.
Custom rom groups and channel has a lot of user. Normally we have 10k - 20k on average.
I want groups of 2 billion members and above. If I can't Rick Roll half the planet then why even bother?
Yes, the cap is 200k it was changed almost a year ago. Before that, yes, it was 5k members.
Channels are the killer feature of Telegram. Only Telegram and Viber have that feature, and Viber is shit
Viber is made for post-soviet grannies :(
You forgot to mention unlimited storage.
You can send file of almost any size and any kind.
Tho distribution of illegal content will get the channel banned
Just create an encrypted archive and distribute the key using another methode
any individual file up to 2GB, umlimited total filesize
@Kartoffelbrei second. Piracy is well-tolerated. People just straight up post entire movies and series in massive public channels/chats
How did people tolerate whatsapp and it only being able to be used on 1 device
I don't think it's that common for people to use multiple phones where as whatsapp Web and multiple computers works out just fine
@@AnonymousGentooman you can bring your messages from the cloud but losing your phone or breaking it that's a very special scenario that I don't think affects a ton of people. But if that's super important to you then sure. I first comment was about about that very day use and that most people don't have multiple phones they regularly use or least the people I know don't
@@Elias-vs2dx not very special here, south america
When I first heard this program's name, I immediately thought of the vintage Telegram from the early 20th century.
Would be cooler if the icon was a telegraph rather than a shitty paper plane
@@Calajese the hell with you. Paper plane is more playful and fun than an actual telegraph. Telegraph reminds me of when England was ruining the world.
@@sharoyveduchi Maybe a paper plane could be better, if they didn't decide to use the laziest paper plane that exists, you can't even make a more basic paper plane than that one
That's the point, isn't it?
Imagine if this video was literally him reviewing old fashion telegrams for talking to people? “One thing I don’t like about the telegram is you have to learn Morse code fist so there is a larger barrier to entry than usual”
Not a fan of the "roll your own" encryption and the proprietary, source-available nature of the app
MTProto 2.0 has now been audited.
I expected you'd smash it for the self-made encryption and not defaulting to E2EE, and yet...
With e2ee people lose all their data when they switch phones and users hate that.
"What do you have to hide from facebook? why are you so afraid?"
-Everyone I have to talk to and won't leave whatsapp.
Privacylets
Sounds familiar, but most people are built for NPC duty....it's their purpose to be in the majority.
Ask them why do they lock the doors when they take a shit. everybody shits.
@@samalexander3295 also ask them to install nest cameras in their bathrooms and toilets. If they respond with no then remind them that they said they have nothing to hide, after all.
@@bruhintoshmoment3865 uP
woah just got this reccomended
woah
Welcome to the party pal!
Woah
Holy shit
Determinism is Freedom 🤙 🤙🤙
2:20 the ones that are remotely privacy-respecting don't want your phone number.
Russian government already try to block telegram, but they couldn't
@@veirant5004 (sry bad eng) never heard about this, i saw only about Roscomnadzor's director said something like "It was a mistake to try block it" and they gave up.
@@veirant5004 or they just gave up on trying to block it and then had to save face by making up an excuse of why they stopped trying
@@veirant5004 i agree
So essentially we need a open source version of this
MATRIX can help
BTW, will you make a video about how to use GPG????
+1 on GPG!
As it has quite a learning curve and IMO a high entry threshold, a tutorial (ideally a two-level one: a. for total normies and b. for people kinda into cybersec, but not knowledgeable about PGP/GPG) would be extremely useful and would be a great way to introduce non-techie friends to both this channel and GPG.
The problem with temp numbers for signing up is that they never seem to work, they either have been used before or are simply denied
Are prepaid sim cards at convenience stores still a thing near you?
tfw normies discover telegram
smh smh
\mfw fingerprints are unrecognizable
Determinism is Freedom 🤙
@@NickVatutin smh
I get it man. Degrees of privacy and/or security.
I use telegram first of all because it has better privacy respecting policies (given the latest censorship wave hitting most of main social media) and secondly I appreciate the features.
I am fully aware of some OpSec. I assume that all data that has been put through the internet via encrypted channels is potentially usable against you. Everything is a trade-off.
In short. I trust Telegram at this time. If it changes too much over time, I will simply move to a new tool.
And in the process I will not put things I am not comfortable with online.
I appreciate Telegram more for its neutrality when it comes to politics. A rare thing to find almost nowadays.
I've considered this app the "gateway drug" into private E2E communications. Most of my non tech friends got this at some point, and then theyll ask me "hey whats this secret chat end to end encryption thingy". Then I explain it, and then they say something like "Oh so like how Facebook and that sell your data" comes up soon after. Soon after that, many of them either end up using Secret Chats exclusively (when they can) or they'll make a bigger jump and go to something like signal. Telegram itself may not be the best option out there, but it's a way of alluring people who are not techies with big colorful stickers and fun features. I mean, Russia's Internet oversight authority RosKomNadzor has tried to block Telegram, but in the end it basically wiped out half of all AWS servers while Telegram barely even went down. I realise that's more a feature of their infrastructure, but it's got a good track record so far in terms of resilience to blocking attempts."Has more stickers ... so it's gonna be popular with the Zoomers" Wow, I got completely called out, my zoomer brain prefers it because of the big ass stickers packs(The limit is 120 I think) and the "You don't actually need your phone to use the desktop app", shitposting without having to constantly babysit my phone so it doesn't disconnect me because it got idle for too long is probably the main reason I mainly use Telegram
what is this amalgamation of copied comments
Nice meme
I don't like the non-default e2e encryption and non-FOSS. I think Element could be good if getting it working wasn't such a pain
@Omar Valentini It's not very intuitive to add friends when you first sign up
@@falxie_ But MUCH better then their last iteration, Riot, it was almost unusable.
@@falxie_ well, that don't force collecting phone numbers
I really like telegram, it's more secure, has it's downsides but was easier to get people into
@FreeBirb maybe compared to WhatsApp?
@FreeBirb hhhhhhhhj
The problem about these sorts of programs is that barely no one ever uses them. At least there are people who kind of use Telegram, but not so much other more security/privacy focused similar programs.
Him: Going to be popular with the zoomers.
Me a furry: oh it goes way further than you think.
Stickerrrrrs
@@mkilo9770 indeed
My telegram group chat @blueschat2
The telegram's furry sticker market is massive, like HOLY SHIT
@@amyrosechaqueta indeed it is
Telegram is definitely less secure by design than Signal. The first problem is that chats aren't really more encrypted than using TLS to the central server. Even the "secret chats" are problematic because any end-to-end-encryption can be broken easily if it relies on a centralized structure. The central server can therefore perform a man-in-the-middle-attack on any user really. That also applies to Signal and Threema.
Threema responded to this problem in a relatively good way by showing the state of physical verification in the contact list visually. So every user can easily see if the communication channel is trusted. Signal uses a "security number" to check just like WhatsApp which is obscuring the whole verification process of the encryption (which is not quite great) and it's pretty much hidden in the UI in comparison to Threema.
Also when the security number in Signal changes (so your communication partner changes, their device changes or somebody else interfered the channel) you get a small notification in the chat (which gets basically ignored by most users). This does not happen on Threema because you need to explicitly clone your local key from device to device to keep your chats (so the key won't change) or you would need to use a new key and loose all chats at the same time. This may be inconvenient for general users but that's the price for actually good usage of encrypted chats.
Actually you will see ads in channels (maybe russian thing?), but ads are placed in 3rd-party platforms and channel owners just make posts with ads. Upcoming solution is to provide telegram's own ad platform and to make possible to distinguish ad posts from normal posts
Reason for Telegram popularity is simple: enough features and at least some privacy. Open api made possible creating 3rd-party clients and bots, channels and groups gave basic social functions, community stickers with anime girls… And it is convenient for end user
Some minor corrections/additions to the video:
- Channels are not like in discord. They are more like groups in social media I guess? Some limited amount of users (admins) can write, all others (subscribers) can only read.
- Comments are made in a weird way: when you write a comment you actually writing a messenge to the linked group which is a replay to the past you comment (and you also do so without joining).
- The bot API is BAD. It's good that it even exists, but overall it's just bad weird and not well thought. E.g. all strings are UTF-8 but code point indices they send to you are for UTF-16 strings (I was working with the API for a long time and there are a lot of similar weird things, trust me). Also the docs are only available in a human readable html, you can't use it to auto gen client libs.
- The mtproto is even worse (though I didn't work with it).
- Telegram is pretty resistent to government block, e.g. it was blocked in Russia and worked most of the time (and if it didn't you could setup a proxy). The government blocked half of the AWS trying to do something, but didn't succeed anyway. Also I assume it's 'blocked' in Iraq, but I don't know how well it works there (I've also heard that it works).
Overall I would say that it's a good apps, but the "point" is totally not security (is better that WhatsApp, but I wouldn't call it secure anyway). The point is that it's easy to use, convenient and popular.
Better than most social networks, but again: not private messaging app.
I try to pull my friends to telegram once in a while, and for some time it works but there always comes a time when they just randomly revert back to fb messenger for some bizzare reason like the share button from facebook allowing them to share stuff directly thru messenger.
Boggles my mind, especially during the pandemic as facebook blackouts are so often and you just can't message anyone for half an hour, and messenger group chats were probably designed on shrooms as on pc a more lively convo just leads to the site crashing. Also the inability to send a picture without lossy compression makes me just furious
I don't buy the "don't roll your own" attitude that is common in the tech space. Sure you should give it a go and that will show you how much you don't know and you'll learn to value existing solutions.
But to not roll your own as a rule? What if Satoshi followed the principle?
Honestly, good enough middle ground. Don't really care for signal, but I'll change if telegram goes down too.
As a man that is using telegram for 3 years, yeah your review is very correct and you mentioned almost everything that normal user would do.
@8:10 I'm sure that customizing of this program does not involve getting rid of overlay-scrollbars and having traditional (useful) ones so that one is not forced to kill one's hand when scrolling tens of pages back...
Groups can have 200000 members
And you can send upto 2gb of files
max 2GB per file*
signal should be the next popular messaging app.. telegram is a good step forward, but signal takes it a leap further
I was nervous predicting you to say closed-source every time before 5:24, huh...
Telegram is my mobile messenger of choice, just because I trust it more than Whatsapp. I'd rather use the encrypted jabber protocol, but barely anybody is willing or got the echnical background to use this anymore.
Telegram also provides a REST-ish API that allows you to build your own frontend app for it, there are a lot of apps for telegram like Unigram. I suggest anyone who doesn't like the original TG app try them instead.
Telegram Bot API is so underrated, you can build almost any application with it and still have a decent UI... i use it for my personal services and its awesome.
I use Telegram but mostly as a social network for people banned from Twitter and other mainstream social network sites. That is mostly passive. I rarely if ever comment. My preference for secure communications is Threema on the phone although that will likely change when I de-Google. I also use Signal, Wire, Element, and I would use Tox but no one I know is on it or seems interesting in using it.
Great video as always. I like Telegram's interface, and sometimes the bots come in clutch. Trying to use Signal more and more.
The "easy to block" part looks like an assumption. Russia tried to block it, but no luck. Also in August, there were riots in Belarus with complete Internet blackout: no external resources, and no mobile broadband at all. The whole state was blocked with Sandvine hardware, and even with such restrictions telegram was usable (sometimes with external mtproto proxies), unlike tens of other VPN services. And it was the only reliable way to communicate with other people.
So I don't think it's fair just to drop "easy to block" bomb with no evidence or research, just based on assumption of main telegram server being a thing.
Also some telegram forks allow you to have some security with fake account, which can be useful when you are forced to show your messages from your own phone.
So as a mean to avoid Internet shutdown it's really good and battle-tested messenger, with extra layer of e2e if you need it
I use telegram for years, it's really good on groups, easier to manage and restrict in general or persons individually (no gifs, no stickers, no audio).
Voice and video calls works great on telegram, sending files is handy.
Not all chats needs do be end-to-end encrypted, but there's the option for who wants it.
signal I use only with one contact and I it's ok, but behind telegram on usability.
Maybe you're right.
But Pavel Durov the owner has declared a $10mil reward ro cracking their cryptography, and Russian government failed to block Telegram even though they're benn trying to do this for over 3 years now.
I mean, sire it's not the best, but it's pretty damn good.
The real concern though, would be the back doors that are probably there.
could you add spanish subtitles? i want to share this with some of my irl friends (since that's the only thing i used whatsapp for) but i live in spain and spanish people don't speak good english
I love how non-pretentious the name telegram is. All other social media names are childish.
This! Such a small yet big statement. And the icon is brilliantly thought out too. Intentional, interesting and nicely coloured.
Let's be real any chat app that have large users base is connected to FBI and CIA , and we forgot the fact that we're connected to the internet that is provided by them, i mean by countries governments.
Telegram is basically furry social media at this point
3:26 >stand back, we have math PhDs
They do lol. Brother or Pavel Durov, Nikolai (i think the main guy behind telegram and other projects) has PhD in Algebraic geometry,
arxiv.org/abs/0704.2030
Not that it has to do with anything, but i think it's cool.
I appreciate all of this information.
i can trust telegram a lot better than google, the features are enough to make my family switch, and i cant trust any smartphone to keep e2e any more secure than telegram cloud chats. thats why i use it. if i need something more secure then ill use a different app.
I prefer their cloud chat encryption knowing that chats and encryption keys are not stored on the same servers.
And they have been around since 2013 and make it clear that their policies mostly apply yo public channels and groups and not private.
Also, the fact that you can self destruct your whole Telegram account remotely and your chats are not stored locally means no one can get into your chats or read your texts as they are not stored on your device. Unlike on Signal where your chats are all stored locally and all that would need to be done is bypass your lockscreen and open that app.
7:00 It seems like AdGram is just an optional revenue source for willing channel maintainers charging a ten per cent commission.
Telegram features are simply astonishing.
LMAO that Взломай Парня(hack your bf) channel at the end had me dieing
Same. xd
Please kindly tell us your telegram nickname so we can do the netstalking, thanks.
Also is would be good of you to create a channel so we can do the bulling too.
I wish Briar had some more features and a better UI.
All the terrorists seem to love telegram... So, i guess if the government can't catch them, they can't catch me as well...
Mental, my dude, love your content
Howewer the blocking thing about Telegram is wrong. Apparently it is very difficult to block out.
About a year ago РКН in russia attempted to do just this for about 6 month, as a result it killed a whole bunch of payment and other services when telegram kept working
We should use Matrix.
I have both apps. All this scandal for the home-brew encryption. When will anyone make these theoretical attacks to the MTProto real? "Much talk, no action".
MtProto 2.0 fixed the problems with 1.0 its very secure
Just as a reminder, domain fronting is also blocked in Iran.
Telegram: it's where the furries are 🐺🐕
I think silence + twinme will be perfect alternative to WhatsApp or even Signal as twinme & silence are completely Open source & P2P thus 100% transparency and no downtime at all, but peer discovery isn't possible in it. That's where silence comes in, it uses existing network providers SMS infrastructure to send encrypted invites.
I wish signal aime to reach telegram's level of cuteness
I wish for people like you to find more worthy things to obsess over
@@Ryan-xq3kl i do obsessover telegrams 2.5gb per file limit, especially when i still can see my chats history from 2015 and still be able to download the files i sent back then.
@@Ryan-xq3kl Why can't people obsess over design and aesthetics?
Channels on telegram run ads for quite a long time. I guess, what telegram is going to do is to get their cut from those ad revenues by providing a convenient and secure way of running ads both for channels and advertisers.
I've been using it since 2017 with all my IT friends. It's pretty nice app :)
Telegram is perfect, have been using it for the past 4 years. Nothing even comes close.
@@kajacx You can give your ID instead if you set it up. Yeah no servers.
@@mamaluigi0631 Only to set it up
Is Telegram really for profit? As far I know thats not true. The founder Pavel Durov explicitly said once that Telegram is not a for-profit service and that a messenger shouldn't have the goal to make money.
„Heavily encrypted“ lmao
I used telegram for more than years and it's great with so much good Update support and with actually great Security and privacy .....I love it
Meh. I'd rather use signal over telegram. Just remember telegram is looking to monitize their app. And will end up worse than whatsapp.
Do you know how Signal will stay alive? They are in massive debt and currently just rely on donations.
Can you do a video explaining why peer-to-peer messaging clients never really managed to catch on?
Take my advice;
Don't join group related to the US, because the private messages from Bitcoin scammers will rain on you.
I use it since it was developed. Amazing App! It is growth a lot!
Def interested in that Threema video, no actual PFS, only via TLS, so I do wonder why they might be more secure than signal
do a review of Signal vs it's fork Silence.
also, Session - what do you think?
Hello mate! im honestly a big fan of your channel and i love it a lot! great content! Also can you please do a video about deep packet inspection? i can't see mto find any information about it , or just a lil small info
Telegram is well known in certain communities. Thanks to it's stickers packs, and some artists like NowAndLater.
Bruh, you exposed your furryass
@@leastexpected3115 Everybody saying they are using telegram since a while does at this point lmao
Please, do Matrix next :))
What about the chatting app called "Wire"? It seems like a really good option.
From what I have noticed it doesn't really have any real userbase. But checking with www.securemessagingapps.com/ it isn't really much butter than Signal except the juristriction.
I read about MTProto, and it seems that it uses AES and RSA now
Hey if you have the time could you look at the purism librem collection in one of your videos? specifically the mini? Love your videos, keep it up:D
can you review Element/Matrix?
"Telegram review"
Furries:my time has come
yup. agree.
furries seem to be the most security-conscious group besides actual security-centric groups
* Supergroups are up to 200 000 people and support voice chats with up to 5 000 members on top of that.
'CHADS' was a brilliant comment
Do a video on RCLONE: open source Cloud Storage with E2E encryption
yo why does having more features = having less privacy?
my first intercation with telegram was a ctf that had furries and I had to interact with the furries with stickers to get the flag
it wasnt fun
XD
lmao that's beautiful
All instant messaging software is rubbish in front of Telegram
I find telegram to be a good alternative for the masses. You have the best of both worlds (maybe not the best)
none of your telegram chats are encrypted at all. unless you use the private chat, which isn't even an option on the desktop app
Did you actually watch the video? Except of the desktop version he mentioned how the encryption is handled.
@@floriegl just putting it also as a comment because it's super important
Group chats go up not to 5000, but to 200000 users
Telegram is just skype and discord combined into one
But nice, sleek, slim and fast
@@kajacx No
You should do an overview for burner sms like you did with burner emails.
No, good sites and services don't need any extra attention or they wont work as well.
Could you review element.io? I think it's even more secure than Signal and if I get my friends to switch, I suggest them to switch to element.
What about Element?
4:30 I would like to point out, that multiple countries, on multiple occasions tried to block telegram but failed. The most noteworthy one is probably Russia, telegram was officially banned for a long time but every time telegram found a way around it.
I was told abit back I sign up singel with just a email. On Google play is like need a phone number. But I got it anyhow never know when I need to use it. I did look in to theema still up in the air about it. I would pay for it if I got friends come and pay with me.
please do a review of element/matrix