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  • Опубликовано: 10 янв 2025

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  • @FoolishBaseball
    @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +1261

    3:46 is supposed to say 137 HR / 197 SB. Nothing I can do about it now lol

    • @obscurereference6298
      @obscurereference6298 2 года назад +13

      rip

    • @MasonG.
      @MasonG. 2 года назад +28

      Ok, doesn't matter the rest of the video is great THANK YOU BAILEY you make my wisdom teeth coming out a way better time

    • @nicholaso4302
      @nicholaso4302 2 года назад +43

      Too much partying with Storiale and Plouffe

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +89

      ​@@MasonG. Good luck with that. I had a rough time with mine, but I know plenty of people who were totally fine the next day.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +127

      @@nicholaso4302 Those two can't hang. The real troublemakers seem to be me, Kofie, and BBQ boy Jake Mintz.

  • @the_major
    @the_major 2 года назад +1991

    THANK YOU! I always have to tell people around me that Jackie Robinson's athletic ability and accomplishments are kind of obscured by his civil rights achievements. I'm sure he'd want to be remembered more for his role in the civil rights movement but I wish more people knew just how truly phenomenal and gifted he was as an athlete.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +359

      He was an incredible, multi-sport athlete. Baseball is where his opportunity was, but he could've gone pro in others if it weren't for the war.

    • @the_major
      @the_major 2 года назад +8

      @@FoolishBaseball 100% agree.

    • @lukeventura7216
      @lukeventura7216 2 года назад +25

      His brother Mac was a olympic medalist too

    • @TorchDeeJ
      @TorchDeeJ 2 года назад +2

      The fact what he did while being said horrific things is what makes him the goat imo

    • @kumarg3598
      @kumarg3598 2 года назад +4

      Qualities like temperment and attitude are being quantified and tracked because sports teams now see the impact on performance these qualities have. Jackie had these at the highest level.

  • @FivePointsVids
    @FivePointsVids 2 года назад +827

    My dad’s hero. He used to tell stories about him that I thought were too good to be true. They weren’t.

    • @TryPuttingItInRice
      @TryPuttingItInRice 2 года назад +30

      @Lighthouse in the Storm ratio

    • @MrBlazemaster525
      @MrBlazemaster525 2 года назад +12

      @Lighthouse in the Storm take the L

    • @ExoticDva
      @ExoticDva 2 года назад

      @Lighthouse in the Storm Better stats than me :

    • @carsonbowles4567
      @carsonbowles4567 2 года назад +3

      @Lighthouse in the Storm I think he's saying that prior to this video, he thought Jackie Robinson was an average player. Which is the sentiment most have, that he was an important figure for civil rights, and a decent ballplayer, but not a spectacular player, and that's why he's remembered more for his civil rights actions

    • @FTLnovaKid
      @FTLnovaKid 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@TryPuttingItInRiceHe must have got cooked. And his account is now removed so he must have been an actual dirtbag.

  • @nowionlywantatriumph
    @nowionlywantatriumph 2 года назад +1084

    Foolish briefly touched on Jackie’s intolerance of intolerance with the story of his refusing to move on the army bus in '44, but I know about another, lesser-known story in that vein that I want to share, with words taken directly from his autobiography.
    For context, he’s in Harlem, visiting the Apollo Theater for an afternoon show with some friends.
    "On my way into the lobby, an officer, a plainclothesman, accosted me. He asked me roughly where I was going, and I asked what the hell business it was of his. He grabbed me and spectators passing by told me later that he had pulled out his gun. I was so angry at his grabbing me and so busy telling him he'd better get his hands off me that I didn't remember seeing the gun. By this time people had started crowding around, excitedly telling him my name, and he backed off."
    "Thinking over that incident, it horrifies me to realize what might have happened if I had been just another citizen of Harlem. It shouldn't be necessary to be named Jackie Robinson to keep from getting brutalized."
    This didn’t happen while he was an active player, by the way. This happened in 1971. He’d been in the Hall of Fame for nine years by this point.

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +62

      Omg, imagine if Robinson was gunned down in 1971--this would have been only a few years since MLK and Malcolm X had been similarly and suddenly murdered, and though the Civil Rights movement was already waning, I could see a scenario where martyring Jackie might have revived it. In that case, imagine how America would be today, if the work of the Civil Rights movement was completed back in 1970s instead of us modern day folks having to live with the consequences of a half-done job.
      Maybe we wouldn’t have Trayvon Martins and George Floyds in the 21st century, at least not as they actually happened because American police aren’t as militarized due to backlash after a cop senselessly killed Jackie Robinson. This in turn probably leads to indirect results, a butterfly effect where Donald Trump doesn’t get elected in 2016, which means no insurrection of January 6th and we don’t have major political figures espousing conspiracy theories, and so on….

    • @striderhanzo
      @striderhanzo 2 года назад +4

      Its wild to think racism has such a medium that whites have been told their whole lives - they are superior and they should never be questioned by anyone. I certainly hope we can live long enough to see a day of equality and to have people's stories told accurately like this one. None of that Columbus trash.

    • @misterscottintheway
      @misterscottintheway 2 года назад +27

      @@warlordofbritannia Besides being WILDLY speculative, I don't love the optics of even obliquely wondering about how things might have been better if more people had been brutally murdered

    • @raimarulightning
      @raimarulightning 2 года назад

      @@warlordofbritannia God, it really recontextualizes it, too. Those racist bastards must have been feeling very empowered, and Jackie's resilience in the face of their bigotry is all the more impressive.

    • @prxlific17
      @prxlific17 2 года назад +5

      Haunting

  • @BaseballHistorian
    @BaseballHistorian 2 года назад +1057

    In retrospect it’s wild that we don’t talk about Jackie Robinson like we do other multi-sport athletes like Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders, especially considering he was a Hall of Famer in what was arguably his _worst_ sport.

    • @almightysosa3007
      @almightysosa3007 2 года назад +35

      Include Danny ainge and Dave Winfield in that list as well.

    • @BaseballHistorian
      @BaseballHistorian 2 года назад +7

      @@almightysosa3007 Definitely

    • @qfmarsh64
      @qfmarsh64 2 года назад +16

      Allen Iverson could have been an NFL QB.

    • @qfmarsh64
      @qfmarsh64 2 года назад +33

      Bob Gibson played for the Harlem Globetrotters (shout out to Jon Bois).

    • @ethansprague2005
      @ethansprague2005 2 года назад +30

      @@qfmarsh64 idk about that, the nfl isn't like high school

  • @davidwalter2002
    @davidwalter2002 2 года назад +45

    My dad was a Brooklyn Dodger fan, and he saw Robinson play. He told me what made him such a great base stealer was not his speed, but the fact that he had the bizarre ability to reach his top speed after only one step, instead of the three or four it takes normal humans.

  • @bobs8005
    @bobs8005 2 года назад +585

    Jackie is better than most realized. I remember some years back looking at his numbers and his whole situation what he faced with racism he was (and is) a hero to the sport and nation.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +103

      A better understanding of where he was coming from (for example, not playing baseball from ages 21-25) really cements how special a talent he was.

    • @pureogkush4207
      @pureogkush4207 2 года назад +3

      See that's the thing he isent underrated at all...we talk about him alot way more than ppl like babe ruth

    • @unknown_individual7050
      @unknown_individual7050 2 года назад +8

      @@pureogkush4207 We talk about him for breaking the racial barrier, however we rarely talk about how he was one of the most valuable pure BALLERS of his era. I'd argue the inclusion of his missed years DOES make him underrated.

  • @elcee3292
    @elcee3292 2 года назад +232

    The first book report I ever wrote was on Jackie Robinson. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the book but I remember being so excited to read it to my teacher. As 9 yr old, I didn't realize what being Black was or what he truly had to endure. I just knew he played the game I loved, that he was important to the game, and that he looked like me. Happy to see this dive into Jackie. Foolish has to be amongst the best to cover this

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +49

      Really touching anecdote. Thank you for sharing.

    • @jimmyk4445
      @jimmyk4445 2 года назад +3

      This is awesome

    • @sanderappel4499
      @sanderappel4499 2 года назад

      I love this anecdote, I love hearing stories of kids and their heroes. Especially if that hero is someone like Jackie Robinson

    • @elenarusso987
      @elenarusso987 8 месяцев назад

      i know this comment is from 2 years ago but i had the exact same experience in 2nd grade and had been obsessed with him ever since

    • @andrewbloom7694
      @andrewbloom7694 8 месяцев назад

      Was it the "childhoods of famous americans" series? I had all the baseball players' ones as a kid, Gehrig, Clemente, DiMaggio. They were amazing!

  • @BaseballAF
    @BaseballAF 2 года назад +242

    There was so much that I didn't know about Jackie Robinson that I now know.
    Such a stellar player that was obviously very integral to the game we love.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +43

      Robinson, Ruth, Clemente, and Flood are my baseball Mount Rushmore in terms of importance

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +1

      @@FoolishBaseball
      Why Flood and not Marvin Miller?
      Not to downplay Curt Flood, but Marvin was instrumental in merely making the situation where the Curt Flood case could gather momentum and present a legitimate challenge to the reverse clause, let alone what he accomplished after that as head of the MLBPA (including finally getting rid of the reverse clause and the advent of free agency)

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +8

      @@warlordofbritannia Agreed on Miller, but I'm doing players only

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +1

      @@FoolishBaseball
      Ahh, yeah that makes sense lol

    • @MarkAndrews12
      @MarkAndrews12 Год назад

      ​@@FoolishBaseballTed Williams, Babe Ruth, Ohtani, and Cal Ripken Jr. are my mt. Rushmore of baseball

  • @Auspiciousostrich
    @Auspiciousostrich 2 года назад +84

    branch rickey deserves his own baseball bits tbh. Integration, batting cages, helmets, spring training, farm system, analytics, etc.

    • @DivePlane13
      @DivePlane13 2 года назад

      Branch made batting cages?

    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 2 года назад

      100% AGREED!!!!!

    • @dfp_01
      @dfp_01 9 месяцев назад

      He's the Art Ross of baseball

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow 6 месяцев назад

      @@dfp_01 I was thinking of Roger Neilson.

  • @lordxelizor
    @lordxelizor 2 года назад +329

    I’ve literally been saying this for years. Yeah culturally and politically, he was important but my god that guy could play baseball

    • @treysonmcgrady4750
      @treysonmcgrady4750 2 года назад +19

      It’s probably why he had the impact he did. Unfortunately I don’t think we remember him if he played 1 season and was bad and/or got injured. Kind of like Moses Walker, technically the first black man to play in the pros; he got injured after 42 games (serendipitous, don’t you think?).

    • @King_Immanuel
      @King_Immanuel 2 года назад +6

      One might say he knows ball

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +117

      I know he helped kick off the civil rights movement but my god could he leg out a double

    • @DJ.B930
      @DJ.B930 2 года назад +5

      @@FoolishBaseball 😂

    • @redrangers12330
      @redrangers12330 2 года назад

      @@DJ.B930 I agree

  • @mkadoza
    @mkadoza 2 года назад +73

    People talk about Jackie like he was just a figurehead. The fact that he was a 26 year old part time rookie, and wasnt a full time MLB player until 28! The fact that he was a legitamate 5 tool player with some of the best plate patience and coverage in MLB history, the fact that even when he was older, he was on of the best base stealing threats in MLB. Also that he was a Gold Glover... even in his shortened career, I could make an argument he's the most gifted second baseman of all time. A special player, not to mention about the person he was.

    • @iamhungey12345
      @iamhungey12345 2 года назад

      I don't think playing 151 games in 1947 is "part time".
      Edit: Never mind, we both screwed up. I looked it up just now, the part time rookie season was his one season with the Kansas City Monarchs before Rickey went to sign him for the MLB.

  • @annamariaisland1960
    @annamariaisland1960 2 года назад +140

    One thing that is hard to quantify about JR is his watchability, such as the home plate steal off of Yogi Berra. Surely JR is in the top 5 of all time for getting everyone in the stadium, from catcher to peanut vendor to watch him when he was on base.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +32

      I had a lot of fun sifting through whatever highlights I could find. Obviously not a ton out there because he played in the 40s and 50s, but some really fun footage.

    • @annamariaisland1960
      @annamariaisland1960 2 года назад +13

      @@FoolishBaseball Perhaps the most extensive JR footage on youtube is the 1952 WS, derived from Kinescopes. Remarkably, the TV producers in that early era knew to keep a camera just on JR - what a terror he was! Here's one of many clips
      ruclips.net/video/hqZnPQnxO9U/видео.html

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +3

      @@annamariaisland1960
      I wonder why we’ve got the 1952 footage, and not, say, the ‘53 or ‘49 or ‘55 World Series
      You’d figure if they thought to preserve the 1952 film in such a manner, they’d have done the same for the other years, huh? 😂

    • @33Dannyb
      @33Dannyb 2 года назад +3

      A lot of people think he was out on the stealing of home, I think because the ball gets there with plenty of time. But it really looks to me that his foot slides just under the tag. Yogi didn’t get the glove down.

  • @justinllamas1
    @justinllamas1 2 года назад +20

    in a way, that’s def true. he’s only remembered as the baseball player who broke the color barrier but many of us forget to realize that he was actually a very good baseball player.

  • @Gemnist98
    @Gemnist98 Год назад +16

    Don’t forget, over 60 WAR in just ten years of play. That alone is Hall of Fame numbers, especially today. Man was a beast on the field.

    • @Sizzle403
      @Sizzle403 6 месяцев назад

      That is just ridiculous

  • @BrianGarcia711NY
    @BrianGarcia711NY 2 года назад +24

    Haven’t watched the video yet (stupid work getting in the way) but I’ve been on the Jackie Robinson is Underrated bandwagon for a long time. Dude didn’t reach the majors until age 28, then only played 10 years and still put up 64 WAR, playing mostly in his 30s while dealing with diabetes, back when diabetes was essentially a death sentence. Dude was an absolute badass.

  • @sabienzojan
    @sabienzojan 2 года назад +21

    what you are doing with baseball bits is simply amazing. im from germany and just got into baseball ~4 years ago (thanks to jomboy).
    i learned so much about all different kind of players and the games history thanks to you. baseball bits shows us your love for detail and love for the game and i very much appreciate your work (not just BB).

  • @jamesallen2909
    @jamesallen2909 2 года назад +41

    A shoeless Joe Video would be sick too. I feel like so many of us forget those white Sox and his incredible career just because it’s been so long and the legacy was defaced

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +22

      Seeing him on that rWAR/150 list was really cool

  • @ILoveMisty1985
    @ILoveMisty1985 2 года назад +71

    We focus so much on Jackie Robinson's status as a pioneer we lose sight of his accomplishments in the game. I hope between this Baseball Bits and the Jackie Robinson entry in Joe Posnanski's Baseball 100 can help us see his true athletic genius.
    Also, it's remarkable that Rachel Robinson is still with us. I hope she can stay healthy up to her 100th birthday in July.

    • @iamhungey12345
      @iamhungey12345 2 года назад +2

      I wish her the best as well.

    • @benana87
      @benana87 2 года назад +5

      I have a picture with her when i was serving her!she was super sweet and i couldnt believe who i was standing next to!i need to find that picture

  • @chris_huffman4
    @chris_huffman4 2 года назад +17

    One thing I like about foolish is that he's never really changed the way he makes videos. I like that. Thanks

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +10

      Haha, it's true! Still using my format from over three years ago.

    • @a13x_chang
      @a13x_chang 2 года назад +2

      @@FoolishBaseball holy shit it’s been 3 years since your noncall video

    • @sneersh9107
      @sneersh9107 2 года назад

      @@FoolishBaseball don't fix what ain't broken

    • @redrangers12330
      @redrangers12330 2 года назад +2

      Don’t downplay the improvements he’s made tho, I like his early videos but dude his videos get better all the time

    • @chris_huffman4
      @chris_huffman4 2 года назад

      @@redrangers12330 yeah I wasn't downplaying that I love the improvements but some creators change up all their content after they get famous but I like that he hasnt

  • @noah-rq5dy
    @noah-rq5dy 2 года назад +36

    It's always a good day when foolish baseball uploads:)

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +10

      Uploaded today, Spring Training games today, March Madness. Great day for sports.

    • @noah-rq5dy
      @noah-rq5dy 2 года назад +2

      @@FoolishBaseball Damn right.

  • @bmac4
    @bmac4 2 года назад +5

    Ive read a couple biographies about the man. The dude seemed like a genuinely chill guy (and I don't mean just because of his reputation as a non-aggressor), one who learned to live with the adversity placed on him but who nonetheless still was definitely affected by the burdens sorta placed on him. He was a tremendous athlete, and brilliant baseball player.
    Remarkably, his wife Rachel is still alive to this day, nearing the century mark, and still a part of the Jackie Robinson foundation. Which really helps contextualize that his legacy, the America he lived in, really wasnt that long ago.

  • @darrelleaster5381
    @darrelleaster5381 2 года назад +4

    But Bailey, let me just say this is probably my favorite baseball bits you’ve done. I’ve always told people that Jackie was a much better player than most people believe. Now I don’t even have to explain, I can just send them here!

  • @justingerald
    @justingerald 2 года назад +12

    Yeah I think because he's a hero (and he is; even the movie 42 downplayed how hard that must have been) people think he's not actually great. But yo. He was a goddamn king. And as a Black baseball fan, to me the sport really begins in 1947.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +5

      Yeah I've been looking at 1947 more lately, but given that the league wasn't fully integrated until 1956 with the Red Sox, I can't help but wonder if 1961 (expansion) is what we should consider the modern era.

    • @justingerald
      @justingerald 2 года назад +2

      @@FoolishBaseball yeah. I just don't want to lose most of Willie and Jackie and such.

  • @ringostarrBestBeatle
    @ringostarrBestBeatle 3 месяца назад +2

    robinson's numbers, especially WAR are insane. if he played a full career he could've def broke the 100WAR marker. his legacy is obviously going to be breaking the color barrier, but he might be the best 2B since integration (him or morgan at least)

  • @DJ.B930
    @DJ.B930 2 года назад +7

    I can’t tell you how excited I was to see this posted FB! Jackie and Clemente are my 2 favorite non Yankees of all time. Did book reports on both of them as a kid and fell in love with both. I agree, so much is taken away from how good of a player Jackie was because of the amazing story and how it’s been told. Thank you so much for doing this. To me, he’s the best 2B of all time and it’s honestly not close.

    • @ilikepie19921
      @ilikepie19921 2 года назад +1

      2 of the very few players towards whom I have never heard a negative word spoken. Musial, Gehrig, and Banks probably being the end of the list.

    • @DJ.B930
      @DJ.B930 2 года назад

      @@ilikepie19921 great list! You forgot Altuve 😂

    • @ilikepie19921
      @ilikepie19921 2 года назад +1

      @@DJ.B930 Great call, never heard an unkind word about him either

  • @TheSmarq17
    @TheSmarq17 2 года назад +7

    Just saying his name will always send a chill down my spine. I've often wondered what he would have accomplished, stats-wise, had he been able to start out his career at a younger age...that will forever be the only disappointment I will ever have with Jackie. His legend will be eternal. I've always been a proud lifelong Dodger fan - partly due to having Jackie as one our all-time greats. Thank you for this great vid. Keep em coming.

    • @Sizzle403
      @Sizzle403 6 месяцев назад +1

      Everybody talkin bout “AURA” now talkin about these rappers n shit but don’t know nothin about Malcom x….MLK….jackie Robinson……that’s real Aura

  • @ShepherdGGross
    @ShepherdGGross 2 года назад +5

    Thank you for this story! I love this! I love his play being recognized and also recognition that it happened in spite of all of the hate. That's counter to the "the hate made him better" narrative I've heard.

  • @arizanger7650
    @arizanger7650 2 года назад +29

    Been waiting for something like this forever! Love Jackie not just as a civil rights icon but as a ballplayer too

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +9

      Yep! And to me, loving him for the former means we should also appreciate the latter.

  • @AABB-bm9kk
    @AABB-bm9kk 2 года назад +20

    Agreed. If you consider that Robinson is missing his early MLB career through by no means any fault of his own
    he has to be ranked among the very highest all time second baseman.
    Definitely an argument that he’s the best.
    Only real competition is Morgan, Hornsby and Eddie Collins.
    Hornsby is the only one who could really be argued a better hitter.
    And he was not the fielder or base runner Robinson was.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +16

      All things considered, I would call him the GOAT 2nd baseman.

    • @AABB-bm9kk
      @AABB-bm9kk 2 года назад

      @@FoolishBaseball Legitimate ✌️

    • @hypetrained
      @hypetrained 2 года назад

      Hornsby also never played against the caliber of opposition than Robinson did

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад

      I’d wager that Morgan has the career numbers Robinson would have had if there had been no color barrier-they were basically the same player except Jackie was more versatile in the field, the disparity in numbers is mostly due to
      1. Context-Morgan played in the Astrodome and during an era with more stolen bases
      2. Career length-Jackie only debuted when he was already 28, almost ten years older than a rookie Morgan, who played until he was 40
      I’d take Morgan because of the longevity, but there’s no real difference in terms of ability or greatness between them, so in my opinion the GOAT second baseman are
      1. Joe Morgan
      2. Eddie Collins
      3. Jackie Robinson
      4. Rogers Hornsby

    • @AABB-bm9kk
      @AABB-bm9kk 2 года назад

      @@warlordofbritannia I think Bill James would mostly agree with you, So that isn’t bad 🤔✌️🙂👍

  • @nickmorrison7658
    @nickmorrison7658 2 года назад +2

    Is there a foolish baseball esque channel for soccer? Love this type of content.

  • @armadillolover99
    @armadillolover99 2 года назад +1

    As a kid I was really into reading and books about baseball in particular. My favorite reads were always ones about Jackie so I’ve always had a great appreciation for him as a player and especially his knack for stealing home always amazed me.
    I hope this video and your influence in the baseball community helps lead to our generation better appreciating him, because as awesome as the credit we give him for his cultural role is, it’s a crime that we don’t give him his dues for what he could do on the field.

  • @cedricgist7614
    @cedricgist7614 12 дней назад

    Thank you: this is my second viewing of this video. I can tell because it already had "like" indicated when I checked after viewing.
    I watched, "42," for the second time a couple of weeks ago. I know many folk are, "Jackie-Robinsoned-out": his story has been told countless times, he's recognized for his contributions on and off the field - hell, every team had retired his number and there's a Jackie Robinson day every year now. I understand that.
    Yet, I appreciate this video because you illustrate that he was a World-class athlete whose performance actually was deserving of his enshrinement in Cooperstown. The title of his autobiography, "I Never Had It Made," was quite apt. He didn't get a pass for being a pioneer.
    I did not realize he had such a break from playing ball. It's insights like these from thoughtful folk like you that help me appreciate the game and its personalities so much better. Thank you!

  • @MasterShake9000
    @MasterShake9000 2 года назад +10

    That comment at 9:18 is clutch - romanticizing the hatred and violence that men like him faced does such a disservice to what they accomplished. Great video, instant classic imo.

  • @BriggsSeekins
    @BriggsSeekins 2 года назад +4

    Bill James, who very much considers Robinson underrated made a similar argument about Minnie Minosa also being seriously underrated. Great video

  • @KOCChristian
    @KOCChristian 2 года назад

    I been reading 8 books about Jackie Robinson since I was 7 and love any knowledge or topic around him. He’s always been my favorite athlete. Everything about him is just historical and needs to be remembered forever. Great video Foolish

  • @garrytreymendeziii5650
    @garrytreymendeziii5650 2 года назад +1

    We’ll stated! JR’s civic contributions and accomplishments can overshadow just how great he was as a baseball player. Just his ‘49 season stats will leave you in awe. Oh and he was a superstar quarterback at UCLA, did a short stint in pro basketball and, if he wasn’t lettering in four sports already, probably would have been a college tennis standout also (he was a great high school tennis player when he had time between baseball games and track meets to play tennis tournaments). Just an all-around complete athlete.

  • @jakeuhhb
    @jakeuhhb Год назад +2

    Jackie didn’t only retire because of his health… it also had to do with Walter O’Malley moving the Dodgers to Los Angeles… O’Malley didnt like that Jackie was such an advocate for Branch Rickey , whom O’Malley had recently ran out of the organization. It strained the relationship between Walter and Jackie. O’Malley called Robinson “Rickey’s Boy”. He traded Jackie in 1956 to the New York Giants for pitcher Dick Littleman. Instead of taking the trade (because Jackie hated the idea of being a Giant😉), and because of his declining health. he ultimately retired.

  • @BombOmbBuddy
    @BombOmbBuddy 2 года назад

    Bailey, I am SO glad you explored Robinson's career as a UCLA Bruin! He was simply a freak athlete that could have done anything he wanted to and ultimately did in the face of extreme hatred and prejudice. Athlete, advocate, and a professional career I didn't even know about--what an absolute icon. Feeling hopeful after this video, great work as always!

  • @KeegoTheWise
    @KeegoTheWise 2 года назад +1

    5:00 fun fact: Eddie “the Brat” Stanky is the reason fielders aren’t allowed to intentionally distract batters (he was doing jumping jacks lol)

  • @hankshepherd2310
    @hankshepherd2310 2 года назад

    THANK YOU! most ppl just think of him for the color barrier, but I'm glad you highlighted his on field greatness too

  • @PoweroftheP00f
    @PoweroftheP00f 2 года назад +1

    This was one of your best analyses ever, Bailey. I have been a baseball devoter since birth, nearly 30 years now. I never knew 90% of this. I don't think I'm alone in this sentiment either. Thank you for providing an entirely new perspective on an American icon, both the player and the man.

  • @0ppaiDragon
    @0ppaiDragon 11 месяцев назад

    dude... I cried! What a LEGEND!!! Thank you for this!

  • @MattMamba24
    @MattMamba24 2 года назад +1

    This isn't a dig at your latest uploads, but I really think this is one of your best vids you've made in a while!
    This would go high on the tier list!

  • @ktbeatty
    @ktbeatty 2 года назад

    I always tell my kids, now especially my 9 year old boy (we’re a Dodger family, and went to UCLA) that the thing about Jackie that is always overlooked because of all he represents, is just how damn good he was. It’s almost incidental. He was just a hall of fame caliber player as well, that’s all. It’s understandable given the bigger issues, but I really appreciate this video. I will share it.

  • @danielfisher8539
    @danielfisher8539 2 года назад

    This is your best video. Most people don't really understand Robinson. Thank you

  • @jessewidner2156
    @jessewidner2156 2 года назад

    Jackie deserves all the praise for sure. On a side note……. 6:49 seeing Will Clark’s name makes this Giants fan happy.

  • @shanemckeon1593
    @shanemckeon1593 2 года назад

    As someone who has seen all of the baseball bits. This is your best work. Jackie Robinson is an American Hero.

  • @alamantix5670
    @alamantix5670 Год назад +2

    I think a video dedicated to the Negro Leagues would be cool. I know that stats were recorded very sparingly, but the stories of the players are some of the best in baseball.
    Maybe the integrated baseball that was played in Latin America.
    Maybe the games played between teams comprised of Major Leaguers and teams comprised of Negro Leaguers before integration.

  • @joshuamorrison8332
    @joshuamorrison8332 5 месяцев назад +2

    Jackie didn't get into sport to be a civil rights icon. I feel like he deserves to be remembered for his achievements in baseball first and foremost. He was spectacular.

  • @tmbr8623
    @tmbr8623 2 года назад +4

    let me just check "Brett Gardner brought up in the same sentence as Jackie Robinson for ANY reason" off my baseball bingo card

  • @MikeJr9284
    @MikeJr9284 2 года назад +3

    Jackie Robinson and underrated are two things that I thought I’d never see in the same sentence. Dude was a legend on the field and in general for breaking the color barrier.

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад +5

      A legend of course, but I do think his contributions on the field are underrated.

  • @michaelbailey790
    @michaelbailey790 2 года назад

    Wow, did I just receive an education. I wouldn't have guessed I was ignorant about 42's talent. This video's analysis is testament to the power of modern analytics in disclosing information otherwise hidden. Great work, BF!

  • @joemarshall4226
    @joemarshall4226 Год назад +3

    Jackie had a .411 career OBP, which is sensational, especially since he didn't play in what should have been his prime years, 21-27. Bill James had him as the number two second baseman for peak value, after Joe Morgan.....James also said that he might be dead wrong about ranking Rogers Hornsby lower, because he was guessing that Hornsby benefited from a severe home park advantage. Further research has shown that Hornsby did NOT benefit by such an advantage, and he really was the greatest right handed hitter in baseball history by far. He batted .400 for a five year period. James also points out that advanced fielding metrics shows Robinson to be the best fielder ever, no matter what position he played! His rep was good, but not that good. James thought that maybe he just positioned himself better than other players, so the advantage wasn't as easily seen. And one last things.....Jackie grew up in Southern California, the most competitive environment in the world at that time for athletics, and guess what? He won amateur tournaments in SWIMMING, TENNIS, and PING PONG, a well as being one of the best baseball, football, track, and basketball stars of his time!

  • @lurkintomgaming397
    @lurkintomgaming397 2 года назад +12

    If he could have played an entire career he might have some of the most special, unrepeatable numbers we’ve ever seen. Such a unique and elite player

  • @max_fischer
    @max_fischer 2 года назад +1

    My favorite player, my favorite team. I even have a daughter who was born on Jackie Robinson Day (and it was just after midnight after a very long labor, which makes it seem even more like it was meant to be).

  • @mrwasgehtsiedasan3278
    @mrwasgehtsiedasan3278 2 года назад +1

    I love Jackie Robinson so much, one of my favorite athletes of all time

  • @BardockHazar
    @BardockHazar 2 года назад

    commenting before watching so this point might be made
    I remember reading a best 2nd basemen list on espn or someplace and it said that Jackie Robinsons' legacy and impact is so huge that it completely overshadows just how good he was at playing baseball

  • @my_stomach_hurt1876
    @my_stomach_hurt1876 2 года назад

    I’m bookmarking this video for the future. Wonderful stuff! You’re my favorite RUclipsr by far

  • @tommyfu9271
    @tommyfu9271 Год назад +2

    This happens when great players are largely known by causal fans for one thing.
    It happens with Jackie bc everyone knows he was the first black player.
    It happens with Ripken bc people kmkw him for the steak but a lot of people dont realize how great he was.
    Everyone knows Hank Aaron for having the HR reford for so long but many people dont lkow what a great overall hitter he was not just some slugger.

  • @matteosalesi9461
    @matteosalesi9461 2 года назад +1

    This was a great video. I always new that Jackie had an MVP. I thought he was an above average player who was known more for his civil rights presence. I really didn’t understand just how great he was. I have even more respect for him now. May he Rest In Peace.

  • @JoshSarkar
    @JoshSarkar 2 года назад +1

    Jackie Robinson's autobiography expresses significant concern that his HOF candidacy would be too much about his Civil Rights activism and not enough about his accomplishments on the field. Most understand the at least the broad strokes of his legacy these days, but I think Jackie would be happy to see you produce such a well-thought-out video about his dominance in the game itself. Few figures in American history loom as large as Jackie does in multiple respects, and this video reminds us of that.

  • @jimmyk4445
    @jimmyk4445 2 года назад

    New baseball bits on the first day of spring training games! Amazing

  • @MaverickMorris
    @MaverickMorris Год назад +1

    I am doing a project on it and it helped me a lot.

  • @randallcunningfam1790
    @randallcunningfam1790 2 года назад

    Thank you for making these videos , it's always a good day when I see a new video on my feed

  • @rjfahey
    @rjfahey 2 года назад +1

    My all-time favorite athlete! Great episode

  •  Год назад

    This is your best video. Thank you. I wished it was longer

  • @GunnShotVisuals
    @GunnShotVisuals 2 года назад

    That conclusion was EPIC BRO - i knew most of the facts in the video BUT YOUR PERSPECTIVE on the game in impressive.. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS keep up the great work coming from a fellow content creator

  • @sigmasrise-w3s
    @sigmasrise-w3s 2 года назад +1

    It’s always a good day when foolish posts

  • @cedricgist7614
    @cedricgist7614 2 года назад

    Outstanding! I waited all day to get to this video - and you didn't disappoint! I knew Jackie Robinson had a .311 career batting average and that he started comparatively late compared to most of the greats - but he was so much more than the one who broke the color barrier.
    In this short video, you covered a lot of ground. I was walking to the bus stop telling myself, "When I watch this video, I don't want to pull the race card." Didn't have to.
    I wish the world was as open-minded as you seem to be. You seem to consider performance on the field and content of character. We need more of that. Thank you!

  • @joshuapatrick682
    @joshuapatrick682 2 года назад

    Thank you for telling the whole story that everyone seems to forget.

  • @Paul-ew3yq
    @Paul-ew3yq 2 года назад +1

    i'm copping this from bill james, but in his historical baseball abstract he mentions that on a per-game basis, jackie was the maybe the greatest defensive second baseman, third baseman, and left fielder ever to play the game. the dude's like a 12 tool player

  • @richies4902
    @richies4902 2 года назад +1

    His brother Mac was a track star as well. I believe he was only second, to Mr. Owens during the 1936 Berlin Olympics.

  • @iamhungey12345
    @iamhungey12345 2 года назад +1

    Tell me about it, there were some blogs that tried to argue the guy only made it to the HOF based on him ending the color barrier alone. From the kind of assumptions you wouldn't know the guy was probably the best 2nd baseman from the late 1940s to the mid-1950s and helped put appeal of stolen bases back into the game and that he won the batting title and the NL MVP in 1949.

  • @MSP_aviation
    @MSP_aviation 2 года назад

    Thank you for making a video about Jackie. He is my favorite MLB player and this is an amazing video!

  • @AtomicPower
    @AtomicPower 2 года назад

    this is your finest work to date.

  • @ImBilly
    @ImBilly 2 года назад +1

    what a video. good work FB

  • @samuelstensgaard4828
    @samuelstensgaard4828 Год назад +1

    If any of you guys have never heard Vin Scully's anecdote about ice skating with Jackie Robinson, it's one of his greatest stories he ever told on the broadcast

  • @GlorifiedTruth
    @GlorifiedTruth 2 года назад +1

    Such a nice tribute to a man who certainly deserves it.

  • @joshthefunkdoc
    @joshthefunkdoc 2 года назад +2

    Fantastic work as always, and one of the topics i've most wanted to see you take on! Without getting too deep in the woods on this, Jackie was *very* publicly outspoken on racial issues later in his life, in a way that runs counter to the usual narratives re: his temperament as well. His feelings on both the Democrats & Republicans changed greatly over time, you can look up some conversations he had re: the growing black nationalist movement, etc. Not going to dump all that in a RUclips comment but there's fascinating material there if you search.

  • @KarmaJolt
    @KarmaJolt 2 года назад

    Immediately recognized William Kage’s music. Was just listening to him in the car.

  • @SamAndSammm
    @SamAndSammm 2 года назад

    Well done!! Love the old footage

  • @randycabbage869
    @randycabbage869 2 года назад

    Great video, he was truly a legend in the sport and was one of the most if not the most influential athlete in American history

  • @JoshSlinkard
    @JoshSlinkard 2 года назад

    Great job on this! My favorite player of all time!

  • @yoinkhaha
    @yoinkhaha 2 года назад

    7:50 Good lord, look at Ruth's WAR per 150 games.
    I really like that story from the Ken Burns doc about how Robinson could manufacture entire runs by himself with baserunning wizardry without anyone hitting the ball

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple 2 года назад

    In 1990 there was a made-for-TV movie, "The Court-Martial of Jackie Robinson" about the events you describe in the 11:00 minute. I regret not watching it when I had the chance.

  • @billnye1329
    @billnye1329 2 года назад +1

    This was an all time Baseball Bits

  • @dillondavidrose8709
    @dillondavidrose8709 2 года назад

    Bailey, you’re the GOAT! Keep up the awesome work!

  • @craigwheeler4760
    @craigwheeler4760 2 года назад +1

    11:00 -- Jackie's hero was Joe Louis, the Great HW champion. Louis also was no push over...but he did act very polite and more docile in public to gain support. Jackie saw how effective Joe's PR approach was and emulated it. white guys in the 1930's and early 40's who would say N--- 50 times a day, would never call Joe Louis that after he beat the Nazi champion Max Schmelling.

  • @gavinnally2219
    @gavinnally2219 2 года назад

    Been thinking this for years, finally glad there is a video about it!

    • @FoolishBaseball
      @FoolishBaseball  2 года назад

      No problem. This topic has been on the docket for a long time for me as well.

  • @Sam_on_YouTube
    @Sam_on_YouTube 2 года назад

    My Dad was a kid in Brooklyn when Jackie broke into the league. He was a huge fan. He later got offered a minor league deal by the New York Giants, but his Dad wouldn't let him take it. Sent him to military school instead. He now says that was for the best. He played beyond his typical abilities at the tryout and doesn't think he'd have had a shot at reaching the majors on Willie Mays' Giants. And military school got him into the Merchant Marines and out of Vietnam.

  • @malk5302
    @malk5302 2 года назад

    Amazing video bailey!!! Learned so mich

  • @JurassicParker13
    @JurassicParker13 2 года назад +1

    Loved seeing Baggy on the tool time list. He is super underrated as well

  • @jacksonwilliams6845
    @jacksonwilliams6845 2 года назад +1

    Foolish, a Baseball Bits on Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz would be amazing

  • @marcuslevis
    @marcuslevis 2 года назад +1

    Honestly after watching this Bailey has me convinced now on how JR was the best ever wow! Loved this

  • @nolansnotepad
    @nolansnotepad 2 года назад

    Great video. Would love for you to do one on Rafael Palmiero. Talk about underrated/forgotten. 3k hits and 570 homers and yet no one ever mentions him getting robbed of being in the Hall of Fame

  • @benhaney9629
    @benhaney9629 2 года назад +1

    “Undefeated UCLA team....”
    Technically true.
    They went 6-0-4. Lol. What a weird record. Even back then when there were far more ties.

  • @downeastjd1711
    @downeastjd1711 2 года назад

    Outstanding presentation. Nicely done.

  • @andrewbloom7694
    @andrewbloom7694 8 месяцев назад +1

    7:10
    I honestly feel like people sometimes dont realize just how unbelievably massive for the civil rights movement this was. Cause I mean with no other context, desegregating a single sports league would be a wonderful accomplishment, but it wouldn't automatically have any greater meaning than just...desegregating one league in one sport.
    But when you look at in the context of what baseball represented to america then...I mean it kinda WAS american sports. It was insanely culturally influential, it had nearly a century of history already, and importantly it was very traditional/conservative. Not in a political way so much as just... like the NFL changes the kickoff start line every other year. MLB simply doesn't change like that. Its very set in its ways/traditions. And it was the everymans sport, in a way that the NFL (unfortunately) is more of now.
    All that to say, the fact that the MLB even allowed integration was a pretty big moment already, they had a LOT of cultural relevance.
    But big thing was that it went so (relatively) smoothly. Of course there were a number of afwul incidents during the process, but it went SO MUCH BETTER than segregationists said it would. The games didn't descend into a series of race riots. The players performed just as well or better than their white counterparts (because, you know, they *are normal human beings*), and it objectively improved the quality of the games drastically in a very short time. The dodgers didn't fall apart because of the "mixing of cultures and values" or whatever nonsense people fearmongered.
    It just...ended up being totally fine. And THAT was the big deal. There was so much fear from the whites, and even some from black people, about whether the 2 would *ever* really be able to work together. The 2 cultures were seen as completely seperate and incompatible. But watching Robinsons rookie season, seeing that the vast majority of players didn't actually seem to have any trouble with him, that Robinson wasn't some awful, scary monster like so many people sadly perceived black men at the time, that he was actually incredibly graceful under the pressure...that was a really good start.
    Americans were finally seeing/hearing a black man doing awesome at his job and working really well with the white players. That was even better.
    And then it CONTINUED! Lots of black people started to play, and hey! They seem to be pretty good, and people are more and more used to seeing it by the day. Soon most fanbases were seeing a black player being literally part of the team. They were just normal dudes! By the late 50s, the majority of american public and the league as a whole were pretty much fully adjusted to the idea. Still no sign of any horrible consequences of it.
    It sounds silly, its just a sport after all, but that really was increadibly important. Even hollywood wasn't really casting black and white people together, other than some occasional (usually offensive) bit parts. Music was getting better. But this was the biggest and most visible change yet. And it helped a LOT of white people get more comfortable with the idea of desegregation.
    There were many other factors of course, but MLB desegregating so successfully so early on mattered.
    And FWIW I think it was hands down the best move to make him the first one. If the first black player was like showing up drunk, or picking fights, that would have had a pretty strong NEGATIVE impact for all the above reasons (not saying I think this was LIKELY if any other player was chosen of course, just mean as an example). Even his skillset was a good call. He wasn't just generally good. He was historically exciting. Stolen bases, home runs, web gems, those sorts of plays that stick in peoples minds more than just a first baseman hitting 30 hrs and having a 140 OPS, with zero defensive or baserunning value. It would be elite performance of course, but not as fun to watch day to day.

  • @marsfredericksongco3016
    @marsfredericksongco3016 2 года назад

    This is a great video! It feels like this channel should be on netflifx