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The accidental Hall of Famer is a player by the name of Bobby Wallace. Bobby Wallace was a MLB Hall of Fame shortstop from the dead ball era who most baseball fans aren't familiar with. That's where I come in. In this episode of Baseball Bits, a Foolish Baseball production, we explore Wallace's unlikely path to Cooperstown. It involves a Hall of Fame Veteran's committee, comparisons to Dave Concepcion and Omar Vizquel, and Branch Rickey.
One reason why I was so excited to make this video is the fact that Wallace began his career with the Cleveland Spiders, before moving on to St. Louis Cardinals baseball and St. Louis Browns baseball. Ultimately, this episode will seek to show some of the worst MLB Hall of Famers, but also decide if Bobby Wallace is among them. Either way, the BBWAA isn't responsible. He topped out at 2.7% with them. I hope you enjoy this video about MLB Hall of Fame voting.
Bobby Wallace on Baseball Reference: www.baseball-reference.com/pl...
Bobby Wallace Hall of Fame: baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame...
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When are we going to get a shoeless Joe Jackson video?
Great job this year foolish it is an absolute pleasure watching your videos.. Happy holidays to you and your family...
Happy Holidays to you Sir.
& Take care.
Templeton, despite being a bit of a PR problem, was actually a really good player. He just messed up a knee and wasn't as good afterwards. Wasn't he swapped straight up for the Wizard of Oz? I had a record breakers card for Templeton for getting 100 hits from both sides of the plate in one season.
Jack Glasscock's problem was that people could always see him coming.
This is an elite comment
They could see right through him
I regret that I only have one 👍 to give to this Hall of Fame comment.
You win the entire fucking internet. All of it.
What was Rusty Kuntz’s problem, then?
Also that he always shrunk under pressure
We've all been wrong this whole time. The BBWAA is actually the BoBby WAllace Association
Or the BoBby Wallace Association of America?
@@evansweitzer8056 i hope the other Bobby Wallace's around the world get their own association
Bob-By Wall-Ace Association
Ah yes the Spiders. The one and only Cleveland Baseball Team
that's right
As much as I dislike the name, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually brought back for the 2022 Cleveland team.
@@Compucles I'd like to see the logo be a Spider with a Chief Wahoo face. (No feather or red face implying ethnicity, just the big-ass grin).
INDIANS! YEE-HAW!
@@Compucles At least Cleveland will eventually pick a name. Dan Snyder hasn't moved an inch from the "There's nothing wrong with Red[acted] and we don't care how many people are offended by the name." He honestly thinks his team shouldn't have any name at all if it can't be the old one, which was picked solely because George Preston Marshall didn't want to change uniforms when his team moved from Braves Field to the Red Sox' Fenway Park. (Think about it, and the connection becomes obvious.) Bullets fans got used to Wizards. Senators fans got used to Nationals. But this continuing crap is only encouraging the worst aspects of sports fandom.
Bobby Wallace clearly made a lot of friends throughout his career, just about everyone who played in St Louis. But his defensive prowess was more impressive in an era where gloves weren't much more than padding over the immediate hand. Plus batters weren't swinging for the fences then, he'd have had tens of thousands of plays to make at shortstop. There is some merit for being elected to the HOF as a superb defensive shortstop in the deadball era.
Rabbit Maranville is a good example.
My guess is that even though those metrics didn't exist on paper, they were understood by the people around baseball at the time. He played for 25 years, he had to be seen as a better option than the short stops of the era.
reminds me of cy young voters doing a pretty good job of matching WAR before it was really known about/invented
@@kobewoods872 Except in the early 1980s.
@@SamAronow I feel like the rise of the relief ace contributed to that, as people were still deciding whether the cy young should be awarded to a relief pitcher in the first place, let alone how to compare a relief pitcher to a starter when they have two different jobs on a team
@@SamAronowYou know what was insanely popular in baseball circles in the early '80s? Cocaine
@@SamAronowAre you talking about Dave Stieb or just in general ?
“Ah dang it, I’m in the hall of fame” - Bobby Wallace
Hate when that happens.
I remember writing an article about Glasscock and Dahlen. Definitely two of the best players to have been snubbed by the HOF for non-character reasons
And Wallace is extremely similar to them, Dahlen especially
Dingers5Days you mean character reasons, not non-character, right? Dahlen was nicknamed "Bad Bill" (and for good reason), after all.
I was too busy staring at Mike trout's baseball reference page I missed the notification.
Better be in incognito mode because it's pretty filthy
We're past that already man... We stare at Juan Soto's page now ✅
@@dadshirt6681 That's in the "homework folder"
@@dadshirt6681 that .495 OBP
well that was a hell of a twist!
glad you liked it!
Seriously, I just thought I was getting a random sports history story and instead I was taken on a whole journey.
Was glad you got there. Lot of trashing of old guys and it was nice to see a different trend.
Can you really say Bobby Wallace is near the top in playing 25 years without a World Series appearance when 9 of those years the World Series didn't exist?
But his team never won a pennant (pre-WS), so even if the World Series was around during those 9 years, he would have the same # of WS appearance as you and me.
@@alec1115 Wallace did play in two Temple Cups, which was the era's equivalent of the World Series. (The first and second place NL teams played each other, Wallace's Cleveland Spiders were the second place team both times).
@@big8dog887 Won one as well.
No idea what was given out as rewards that time since we know rings wouldn't become a thing until 1922 and it won't be until 1926 that it caught on. Even the Yankees initially didn't buy into the rings in 1923.
@@iamhungey12345 I'm pretty sure the only reward was extra cash, which was no small thing at the time. Many sources don't recognize the Temple Cup because the second place team won three of the four series, so it's alleged that the first place team didn't take it seriously, with the pennant being the true championship. Fans seemed to agree, as the series were poorly attended.
@@big8dog887 It was too bad since it did seem to helped somewhat inspire the WS we know later on, even if it takes another century for a 2nd place team to get a shot of taking part.
bruh that Houston drumroll killed me lol. please keep that in
(and elect Don Mattingly and Bernie Williams)
just imagine eventually if mattingly takes the marlins to the world series as manager and he gets in with a marlins cap instead of a Yankees cap
unrealistic but it totally could happen
I think his successful managing career will help his case a lot
And Thurman Munson! Please?
@@alexremoll2771 Absolutely! I always forget he's not in the hall of fame! So tragic!
@@samgreenberg4966 I feel like all the new-school sabermetric guys wouldn’t even be mad, and of course the old-school guys would be fine with it. I just don’t understand his exclusion
This is a case where we can say, with no doubt, that for Bobby Wallace, the hall of fame was the friends he made along the way
Make sure you add your second channel to the “channels” tab so people can find it there too
good idea
shut up, you nerd lol
Rey Schalk is regarded as the man who set the standard for defensive catchers. I believe he was the first to back up plays at other bases and other stuff now routine.
And he was also one of the 'Clean Sox' in 1919 which probably earned him brownie points.
PS in the 1919 series he threw out 10 Reds baserunners, a record that still stands.
The ending was so sweet. I’m glad he got to see himself inducted. How can you not be romantic about baseball?
YO NEW FOOLISH BASEBALL VIDEO POG! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!
Thank you! I will
Nice pfp
I found you @beec
@@kevingohdcantgo12-09 and I found you
if Cleveland doesnt rename themselves to the spiders i say we riot
Probably racist still somehow.
You’d scare the daylights out of kids with that kind of mascot...😬
@@JWex-jy7sk Better than Municipals or whatever I've seen around...
@@TornaitSuperBird Cleveland Rockers! That's what I want.
Fitting with Cleveland being home to the rock and roll hall of fame
Spider lives matter! Form the protest group and riot in the streets of Cleveland! Spider lives matter! S l m!!!!
I'd liked the fact that you'd mentioned the recently passed Dick Allen. Nice touch. ;)
I didn't even know that he had died.
I used to be strongly anti-Allen for the Hall, but the more I have read about him, as well as looking at what he did, the more I realize just how wrong I was. He was a monster at the plate and not at all the jerk that some have tried to portray him as being.
His election would not at all dilute the Hall, unlike Baines (I'm a White Sox fan, and although as a fan I was happy for him, as a baseball fan I cannot understand why he is there).
@@DaDitka Yeah. He died a few days before the video was posted.
Going into this, i thought you'd be talking about Rick Ferrell, a 1920s and 30s catcher who made it in via the Vets committee in 1984, not because he was thought of as HOF worthy, but because a Hall higher up begged the committee to get him at least one vote, so as to not get him shut out. So many then voted for him was elected to the hall.
My mom: accidents can be replaced
The Hall of Fame: We can’t replace this plaque
If accidents could be replaced, your mother would have already replaced YOU
@@FoolishBaseball I really didn’t expect this thanks for the compliment Mr.Foolish
@@FoolishBaseball this comment hits harder than rougned odor
@@aleccolarossi6496 I even saw the news of that happening because I live in Texas 🤣
Great work as always, I normally have BBRef open in another tab when watching these videos but I thought the mystery made it much more engaging.
I had to make that disclaimer specifically for people like you! I would've done the same. Stay curious!
The only thing I want more than more Foolish Bits videos is a retro 8-bit baseball game with deadball-era rosters.
WHO DISLIKED THIS MASTERPIECE, THE BBWAA WRITER'S ASSOCIATION????
they're after me
@@FoolishBaseball they did try to stop Larry Walker.
The Baseball Writer's Association of America Writer's Association? So people who write about baseball writing (or about the association)? Yeah, screw those guys.
Uh, wait, if we're having this conversation, are we members...?
@@ArsenicDrone I'm actually in the "writer's association of American baseball writer watchers"...or the WAABBWW for short. We don't watch the games, we watch the writers while they watch the game and then write about how they behaved while they were watching.
@@zeked4200I'm familiar with your work. I'm personally in the American Association of Baseball-Writer-Watcher Auditors (AABBWWA) and one of my responsibilities is to make sure you write about baseball journalists in a coherent and non-biased way. It's the only way we can maintain the integrity of America's pastime.
Great video and legit one of my favourite youtube channels. Thanks for all the joy and entertainment you've brought me this year. As an Australian who only really first got into baseball three years ago you've greatly expanded my knowledge surrounding the history and culture of the game in that time. Go Jays!
One thing I love about your videos is that they’re entirely things you want to focus on and aren’t ever just what people request. No one would request this video and it’s one of your best
The Cleveland spiders need to make a comeback, that logo is the coolest team sports logo I have seen in a long time
I was sad when that wasn't the new name
This kind of report is why I subscribed. You do your homework, dig deep, and make surprising connections. Saving this to my favorites list. Really well done!
You have a happy holiday as well, thank you for all the work you put in!
I love the early era videos. This and Old Hoss Radbourn are amazing content and I really enjoy learning about it.
I don't know if you *like* getting video recommendations, but it could be cool to do a series on the different eras of baseball! Best players, league stats, controversial issues, etc. Love your channel!
Yes!!!
Also thank you so much for the Omar’s Coming reference 🤣 *whistles farmer in the dell*
Dude I appreciate your videos so much, these are high quality, informational videos that I wouldn’t be exposed to if it weren’t for your channel, please continue posting
Baseball Bits has been one of my favorite RUclips series I’ve discovered in 2020. Keep up the good work my man!
It’s always a good day when you post 🐐
thanks king
Not as good as Ryan Teperas MVP vote getting season IMO
Hard to measure up to that masterpiece
Ngl he got robbed
Yeah I think he deserved more votes the Jacob Degrom............oh wait.
Again absolutely fabulous content. Always enlightening us with all aspects of baseball!
Yessir, I love your videos so much. Thanks for putting so much time in and making my day
Do a video about how Greg Gibson the home plate umpire motioned to both players
And the Dodger bench is celebrating in the dugout
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes I’m excited!!!
I'm excited too!!
Thanks for an interesting video about a forgotten player. Well researched and well presented.
I think maybe your best video yet. Took me on a journey with the way your laid this out. Great work.
Glasscock in 2021!
Branch Rickey and the others knew what they were doing when they helped get Wallace into the Hall of Fame. It wasn't cronyism. They saw him for the great player that he was and your final analysis proves what they already saw in him.
As far as Pie Traynor is concerned, my great-grandfather, who played professional baseball himself, said Pie Traynor was the best third baseman he had ever seen play. In fact, Traynor was considered the greatest third baseman of the first half of the twentieth century, fully deserving to be in the Hall of Fame.
I already know this will be a banger
I need that confidence
i’ll never get tired of these videos, always so well done
this is some of your absolute best work. awesome video
Stats are great, revealing, equalizing. But, in reading their comments, you see that many old players and observers also valued the aesthetics of the game. Most "greatest nine" compilations from the dead-ballers emphasize fielding over hitting. Dave Bancroft was not called "Beauty" for his visage. Ray Schalk was also fine fielder and one of the honest Black Sox. As a Cardinals fan since 1958, I fear that our many LOW-level HOFers -- not just the Friends of Frankie Frisch and some of whom I really like -- have had a detrimental effect against such worthies as Boyer, Hernandez, Rolen and Edmonds.
Excellent comment. The thing that's maddening is that these writers have access to, say Scott Rolen's, fine numbers and ample "eye test' examples of his worthiness. I have to ask, since you've been around longer than I have, was Keith Hernandez not the most brilliant defensive first baseman that you're ever seen? For me, the answer is a resounding yes. Cheers.
Thanks. I was busy working and broadcasts were limited during Hernandez's days, but Michael A. Humphreys in Wizardry, ranks him as the top fielding first baseman of all time. I was aware of his reputation, but didn't see a lot of the evidence. Fielding is the toughest skill to quantify. One system showed Bill Buckner among the top fielders because of all of his assists -- generated by his immobility and his insistence that pitchers cover the bag on balls hit to him, which most guys would just take themselves. Hernandez has been chosen for the St. Louis hall of honor, going in this year with another fine first baseman, Bill White, one of the heroes of my youth.
Rolen's in! Still waiting on those others, and I couldn't agree more with you as to why they've been snubbed. Hernandez and Edmonds will have a chance with the veteran's committee, I don't know about Boyer
Holy shit, some friends of mine were talking about the Cleveland Spiders *yesterday*
Great stuff. Keep 'em coming!
This was a really good and informational vid. Thank you!
Sometimes, their prolific defensive skills are overlooked. My favorite to watch, was Ozzy Smith.
This video was amazing! Thanks @FoolishBaseball
Dude, this is the best video I've seen you put out. Wonderful job.
3:46 hey I’m consistent ☹️
I love u
If anything, you're consistently bad these days. Sorry Rougie. I would not say it to your face with that mean right hook though.
@@FoolishBaseball who is joe?
I suspect the committee was able to use their experience and baseball know how to come to a correct conclusion without the modern numbers. They probably saw him make many amazing defensive plays, and they probably allowed for the dead ball era in looking at his averages. There are other ways to judge people than by the numbers.
This is the reason why enjoying internet is still great, people like you, with a strong sense of commitment, dedicated and with a deep love for their work.
Thank you, have a great night.
Found my new favorite channel. Thanks 😌 ⚾
YES! They should be renamed the Cleveland Spiders!
Someone’s voice is changing along with their confidence.
Keep growing & keep up the great work.
Such a great story, thanks Bailey!
This could be one of my favorites so far. Never even heard of the guy and I love him now.
I was in Cooperstown this summer and remembered this video because of the ray schalk thing. On his plaque it says he caught like 5 no hitters and a perfect game. So yes he does have 83 ops+. There is a reason he appealed to older voters. And that’s it.
His bond with pitcher Red Faber is among the top all-time batteries
I'm glad this ended the way it did, b/c I was gonna complain... I trust the judgement of Branch Rickey over any stats, for one thing. There's never been a better, more forward-looking mind that Rickey's, he instituted drills (like sliding drills), he created the farm systems, & he integrated baseball.
And he got this one right.
I figure he was batting 1.000, basically. Thanks for the informative video, baseball history is American history, it's hard to separate the two.
Extremely insightful, I truly appreciated the fact finding. I’m a member of SABR and this is an awesome RUclips post!...thank you and I will gladly subscribe 👍
Got into baseball recently have been hooked on your videos. Keep it up my man
Please!! Post more past baseball stuff
From the early days or the dead ball era or the golden era, like this one, or that video from old ross, or the cleveland spiders, those are high quality contents that lacks on RUclips
What I wouldn’t give to be named Glasscock
Hard, but fragile?
It seems the answer is that you wouldn't give a couple hundred bucks and a couple hours in court, or else you wouldn't be sighing wistfully about it
True. You wanna be named Glasscock then go change your name lmfao nothing is stopping you
Thanks for another great video dude. Best baseball content on the planet. Happy holidays!
Gesh. I love this format and type of information. Pretty much perfect. 👍👍
Omar Vizquel had a glove and if Wallace was even close to him congratulations Mr. Wallace.
You should do a full video on the least deserving hall of famers.
Yes
Or, maybe look at the hall of famers with the 10 lowest career WAR, and maybe explain WAR a little and what it may mean about these players careers.
Call it "Friends of Frisch".
What is the equation for WAR ?
@@iraevans2013 It's short for Wins Above Replacement. I don't know exactly, but it somehow takes into account hitting/pitching, baseruning, and defense. An all-star player may score a 4 or 5 WAR for that single season, for example.
This was fantastic. You just earned yourself a new subscriber. 😁
My day is always better when you post a new video. Doesn’t matter what it’s about, i love them all
Can you look at Harold Baines on baseball reference for his 1999 season? His stays are insane for a 40 year old
You're right. .919 OPS is crazy for a 40-year-old. Kinda what like Nelson Cruz is doing now, minus a little power.
Ask HOF managers. They knew Baines was a dangerous bat. Underated imo.
Never understood the gripe about him being in the Hall. 2,800 hits and over 350 homers.
@@adamide Those are stats of longevity, not greatness; he was consistently good, but never great.
@@orbyfan I agree that he wasn’t great for a long time. But at some point consistency should get rewarded.
Hey, another guy with a name of Bob! (If it's shortened)
Pretty good.
This channel is awesome, well done.
I enjoyed this video like i enjoyed all your videos man. Keep it up
Can we get a Baseball Bits about how two of the best players in Atlanta Braves history, Andruw Jones and Dale Murphy, are consistently overlooked by the voters as well? The fact that Dale Murphy isn't in the HOF is a travesty that will always get under my skin.
As long as we're talking Atlanta Braves, you could also make a pretty good case for Fred McGriff.
The more interesting question to me is what happened to Dale after 1987? From 1982-1987 he had a run of 6 very good seasons and I thought he was on his way to the HOF. Was an outstanding hitter, good baserunner, excellent center fielder. Then...he fell off a cliff. He didn't have the gradual decline like Eddie Murray and others had, he just stopped hitting. And running. And fielding. Just a sudden decline in all aspects of the game. Not sure if it was injuries or something else, but it was sad to watch. He was never the same player again.
@@moeball740 his wife recently said in a Facebook post that he had a degenerative knee problem that followed him at the end of his career
Murphy was one of my favorite players, and had five great years. But I don't think that's HOF-worthy.
@@nedlitam He should be
I think a video about Matt Chapman would be very cool and entertaining
That would be a fun one.
@@FoolishBaseball is Chapman a better overall player than Bregman? I think Chapman is only worse than arenado and rendon
@@owenanderson3425 And Machado
@@owenanderson3425 bregman is a rotten cheater. But I still think he’s a great player, and probably better than Chapman.
@@csgman5981 I knew I was forgetting someone machado I think is the best 3b in baseball
Wow big twist, love the vid bro
I’ve been watching for six months now.. with that said this is the idea I had for a channel before I found you. I’m not jealous at all because I didn’t punt the work in. But I do wanna say this is flipping awesome..... I just wanted to say this is great!!!! Thanks for this channel!
They need to induct Kenny Lofton. If some of these schlubs make the list, certainly Kenny does.
The committee exists for exactly this reason, IMO. Inducting deserving players that were snubbed by the writers.
This year Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons, Lou Whitaker, and Marvin Miller were all on the ballot.
Don freaking Mattingly. Dale Murphy. Tommy John. That's crazy. They all deserve it IMO. A few others too.
I would add Sweet Lou(Lou Whitaker), Trammells in & Lou deserves it, I've run the numbers
Everyone of them deserves it.
Kenny Lofton and Otis Nixon.
Not everyone can say they accidentally made the MLB HOF. Bravo Mr Wallace
Yo what up Airtime Thrills, when’s that top-50 coaster vid dropping
@@alexwei2573 monday the 28th
few things i love more than baseball history. this is awesomely made
my man glasscock. this is might be my favorite of yours, super interesting topic
The crime dog should have gotten into the hof
Pete Rose definitely should be a hall of famer
I'd bet on this 👍
Man has the most hits in MLB history, and he's still a big name. Everyone over a certain age knows Pete Rose.
Absolutely
All "intelligent" people know Pete Rose is a hall of famer.
Loved the surprise ending. Totally couldn't tell we were being setup. Very nice, thanks!
Great research and story! Thank you.
They should name the cleavland baseball team the spiders😂
glasscock gotta make it based off his name
Love the twist. Thanks!
This should win a Pulitzer. The best video you have ever made. Amazing.
Huh. If Harold Baines is in the hall, than anyone can make it in.
@@35mm21 yeah
He sounds like a noob.
Bobby Wallace confirmed scrub by Swiss Cheese
@@FoolishBaseball can’t disagree with Swiss cheese
@@davidlevison9334 It does seem like he has a lot of holes in his theory though
And Pittsburgh born!
That was a twist I was not expecting. Love it
I didn't think i would like this but i loved it! Cheers mate 👍
thank you
Imagine being inducted, and then finding out it was an accident 😐
Underrated part of these episodes are the truly insane old baseball names. Naming my firstborn son/daughter High Pants
Highpockets
Don't forget to name one of your children Vinegar Bend
foolish, i love you man! i'm hooked on your videos. they're the best! ty for the amazing content as always. PS more cincinnati reds content please :)
Happy holidays my dude! Your videos are literally the only baseball content I consume, though in some ways I think it's reductionist to call them "baseball content". Baseball Bits is the best series of short stories about interesting and weird people on the internet as far as I'm concerned.