I said Mariah who is considered the best vocalist of all time . And don't get me wrong . she is amazing . she just lacked range in mixed voice . Ariana and demi can go all the way up to a B5 . while Mariah can barely go to G#5/A5
I’m not sure how the video has anything to do with the title or what Vocal Coaches are saying they hate them. It seems like another generic vocal showcase.
Grande Vocal Highlights that was due to her having nodules that’s why u can’t compare them because talent wise they aren’t the same n vocal wise since mariah has nodules we never know her full range
Honestly many of them just can't accept that there's actual talent in pop music too, they tend to think that no singer that came out after 2000 can be as good as the divas
@Luca Morello do forgive me for using the word stupid. that was mean and inconsiderate, so i'm sorry for that. the word ignorant or misguided is much more appropriate. secondly, ariana has been, up until the manchester incident, mac miller, and everything afterwards, notoriously known for having little to no emotion in her songs. she was considered an an emotionless singer up until those events, which just proves that it took those traumatic events to evoke deeper emotion within her and in return her fans. listening to ariana circa 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, you would have said she was emotionless in her songs (all with the exception of honeymoon avenue and maybe one or two others due to her relationship with jai brooks), which proves you're not a die hard fan. because as an arianator, ik that around those years she didn't have emotion and the emotion she did have came from failed relationships, not traumatic gut-wrenching events, which is why her recent albums are much better than the old. because they show that SHE'S ACTUALLY LIVED. anyway, sorry for the rant, but you obviously haven't listened to mariah carey's songs and probably only know her number ones, which is fine because some of the most emotional songs on the planet are found from just her 19 billboard number ones like ONE SWEET DAY and HERO, though she has many more emotional songs than those two. i mean she has an entire album named emotions and a song named emotions dedicated to the great emotions she felt when she was with someone that she loved. i will say that demi has the most emotion in her songs tbh, because of her struggle with mental health and alcohol and all within that nature. however, i never negated that she didn't have great emotion in her song. additionally, as im sure you don't know, like demi lovato, mariah carey has bipolar disorder. and addition to that, as im sure you don't know, many great people from within the music industry and art and science, etc, have mental health issues like bipolar disorder. i mean, albert einstein was mentally ill, mozart, so on and so forth. though not proven, i believe that in addition to their natural creativity that their mental health disorders allowed them to work more creatively and with heightened work. why do i think that? because i have bipolar disorder and its allowed me to be more creative at times, like when writing a song or painting, or writing, etc. what you fail to realize, since you're not a true fan of mariah, is that MANYYYYYYYYYYYYY of her songs carry great emotion if you actually paid attention to the lyrics or the situation behind the song. for example, BREAKDOWN (the emotion of rejection and all that it encompasses. loving someone that could never love you). UNDERNEATH THE STARS (the emotion of your first time having sex or just a great time that being with someone you love brings), OUTSIDE (because she's multiracial she felt like she never belonged anywhere. never truly accepted completely by her white roots, or african american or spanish roots. always feeling like an outsider and never truly belonging to one particular group, which was prominent in the 90s yet no one but her talked about it. which can also be applied to gender or sexual orentation, etc), ONE SWEET DAY (the death of a loved one and meeting them again in heaven), shall i go on? MARIAH HAS SOME OF THE MOST EMOTIONAL MUSIC IN THE WORLD. NOT ALL OF HER SONGS ARE FOCUSED ON WHISTLE REGISTER. MOST OF THE ONES I JUST LISTED HAVE 0 WHISTLE NOTES, but you wouldn't know that since you never gave her a try and chose to judge her off of songs like EMOTIONS or HEARTBREAKER or any other song that you listened to where whistle notes were present. if you'd actually give her a try and not judge her for her whistle notes, then you'd open your eyes and realize that so many of her songs have great emotion and are more than just the high note.
U forgot to talk bout the lower register of them, they're actually pretty good, cause Whitney's support on the lows, ends on a F3, and Ariana's ends on F#3, and Demi's E3 in a luckily moment
I was going to talk about it but I decided not to because I'll get absolutely crucified if I brought up Whitney to the mix .but I might make a part 2 ❤
I know .but I had to . just to clarify things. Ariana also has a big fandom. Mariah fans also discredit Ariana all the time . and I didn't even discredit her. I just said facts ❤
They are criticizing Ariana and Demi for not supporting higher notes or having a "bad technique" but they still can't deny the fact that not so many people are capable of what they can do like who tf can sing an A5 or a Bb5 with that ease?? Can whistle tone or do some crazy falsettos or head tone?? Why can't we all just that they are both mf legends at this point?? They are ruling the music industry and they are both the vocalists of our generation. (Even Pati Labelle and some other legends agree) (srry for my bad english or maybe its good lol)
@Hei Dinglepop wtf? can you see her performances of tmylm tour of 2018?? She hit high belts EVERY NIGHT with ease. And now, in 2020, she has even more ease. With her powerful voice
@Hei Dinglepop you didn't see her in 2020 def. She almost supported G5 and supported E5s. With her natural tone. And yeah: heavily and powerful. Her voice is powerful since she is a child. I really can't understand what are you trying to say. And again: with incredible ease.
@egan gillies exactly lol, a lot of people studying music, as in music major students can sing FAR better and much healthier than Ariana and Demi combined. A vocal ensemble alone can sing these two "vocalists of our generation" to the ground. Like learn about vocals, music, and see the reality of the singer/music world and only then can you actually talk sense
Tbh I can understand the shouty argument for some of her be my baby bb5, because near the end of the tour, she started to lose her mix and it did become a bit more shouty. Also tho, on the SWT her bb5 are so much more controlled and better mixed than on HMT
@@walidmahdab8475 yeh of course she's not shouty overall, I just mean if someone looks at her last leg bb5 for be my baby then they will say she's shouty if you compared them to her breathin bb5 but yeh SWT is much better mixing wise
@Grande Vocal Highlights mariah mixes up to bb5, which is impressive in itself. not to mention, she was BORN with a vocal disadvantage by having nodules on her chords. i mean, so many times so many people forget that she was BORN with an obstacle and has proven to overcome it time and time again. ALSO, her natural voice, speaking voice that is, sits in the alto/tenor range. mariah is not naturally a soprano! her range defies her existence. her nodules allow her to enter the whistle register easy and her genre of music requires her voice to be higher, but if she didn't have nodules and focused on classical music, MARIAH WOULD BE DEFINED AS AN ALTO. so forgive her if she can "barely go to G#5/A5." i mean, its not like NATURE itself is against her or anything... and if thats not impressive, here's a visual of her vocal range: low notes -F#2 (most tenors - men - cap out after A2 btw), middle voice - Bb5, head voice - E6, whistle voice - Bb7. additionally, in terms of vocal agility, richness, range, resonance, musicality, songwriting, producing, and enunciation, mariah has them both beat hands down. that screaming that ariana and demi get criticized for is perceived by people from their lack of resonance and fullness in certain notes, which makes it sounds as if they are screaming. the higher the mixed voice goes for them, the more "shouty" it sounds. mariah never had this problem in her prime, because she has perfect resonance and just to rub it in, PERFECT PITCH. and for those of you noobs that see this comment and try to use references of mariah today, stfu and realize that she is a 50 year old woman BORN with a vocal condition that puts most singers out of the business by late 20s. if you want to compare mariah to these singers now, then you HAVE TO USE references of MARIAH in her 20s. even better? to be fair? simply line up all of the singers albums and compare them all by technique within each album. i mean they all started (with the exception of demi) in their early 20s, right? its only fair to compare them each in that way. i legit don't understand why people don't see this tf. she's 50 years old with nodules being compared against singers in their 20s in perfect vocal health. it'd be like comparing an old house in the 90s to a house today and expecting both to work in the same way and for the comparison to be equal. the fuck. lol. you people are seriously stupid or seriously delusional. anyway, vocal nodules are scary and can destroy the voice monumentally, hence why Adele and Pink and so many other singers got them removed as soon as possible. mariah beats the odds!
The thing with Mariah is that she knew her limits when performing live. She wouldn’t go for a note when she knew she wasn’t gonna be able to support it. That’s why she hardly ever sustained above E5. I feel like Mariah prefers a good feeling when singing rather than trying to “impress” people with a strained/tense belt, that’s a reason why she improvises a lot live. She’s clearly a perfectionist and i love that about her.
Never Forget You Not to mention, Mariah herself said she doesn’t like to belt all the time but that’s what people wanted her to do. You’re absolutely right!
Actually, I prefer artists that keep trying to overcome theirselves and Demi Lovato is a perfect example. It’s the best vocalist in terms of belting of our generation and, for example, Mariah can’t do the same. Ariana Grande is a singer that can do everything with her voice, literally everything and I have to say it, Ariana can do very very high notes without any struggle, Mariah rarely can do the same. I respect Mariah and her fans, but people can’t say Ariana and Demi scream, it’s a lie. And, in addiction to it, I don’t think Demi tries to impress people with belting, but with the emotions she gives while she sings, like in Stone cold and Anyone. Even if she “tries to impress” with belting, ok, good, she has the capacity to impress people with that and these are points in her favour.
My thing is... People actually don't know what support is. They just say they're straining because they don't sound like Whitney or Mariah. Actual support is when you're using your abdominal and back muscles to execute a note correctly. With that being said when you don't support a note you run out of breath very quickly because you're not supporting the sound with enough air. The correct term to use is freedom. What people are really listening for is that freedom in their voices, not support. Freedom is that ring, power, resonance, and correct placement you hear from Mariah. In all honesty... Demi and Ari aren't as bad of vocalists as these non vocal coaches make them out to be. In reality the highest belts with FREEDOM (call it supported if you want) I've heard from them are; Demi - F#5 (She becomes very inconsistent above Eb5 though. Her placement is full of tension, the unnecessary kind. She simply just pushes way too much). Ariana - G#5 (She's actually somewhat consistent with this note. She doesn't strain at all, but at times she becomes too chesty causing her to restrict her freedom, causing that yellish tone. She stops being consistent after F#5/G5 though).
I have always thought that if Ariana or Demi had born 50 years before or something like that, by this moment they would be considerated as Divas, because they actually are. I think that Maybe people say that they cannot sing because the kind of music that they sing, doesn't let them show their skills, because is more sound than voice, i'm saying this because i have heard them singing songs from 90's and when they sing that kind of music they leave us shook because they do it flawless. My point is that they are talented as 90's Divas, such as Whitney, Mariah or Celine, but the kind of music that they sing doesn't let them show all what they got. Don't misunderstand me, i love their songs, but in current pop music is more hard to sing as a 90's Diva. Hope you guys undestand what i'm saying, and if you don't, sorry, i translated this whole text by myself, because my native languaje is spanish. :)
They are hugely talented but unfortunately they do lack ( subtle but still significant) technique to be considered actual masters of their voices, let alone great vocalists
The only thing that makes the comparison unfair is the fact that Demi and Ariana are going on a different vocal track They're not mastering such techniques like Mariah's, Whitney's etc. They're more onto pop music nowadays The thing is that Demi Specially Ari are reallt versatile They can literally fir their voice in any genre and song that they'll sing We see Ari Singing ang Nailing Whistles, Celien's Song, Whitney's Song, Broadwag etc. But we can't deny that Mariah is Mariah Whitney is Whitney and so on
Amazing video except the whole supported G5 in Natural Woman but yeah they get heavily critizized because of the style they use for example Demi is more of a chesy mix/heavy belter and is known for pushing too much and with Ariana its because she isn't mixing with enough chest for her upper register and Diction but that shouldn't stop them from being called good vocalists as u pointed out Demi and Ariana are gaining so much support in their mixed register up to D5 for both of them and Ariana is partially supporting up Eb5/E5 and gaining more tone in their lows
@@walidmahdab8475 well either way its just seems like everyone thinks to be a good singer your technique has to be as good as Mariah or Beyonce or Celine Dion but thats not the case, every singer has different styles they like to use in their music and back then u had to have a good technique to protect your voice because Management and Record Labels didn't care for your voice
Yeah exactly . and also I highly doubt most people care that Ariana supported a G5 or sth . all that matters is good tone to them and that's pretty much it .❤
Literally vocalists of our generation!! Vocal coaches trying to hate on them are stupid and trying to do something. Also they're both so different too so there's no need to compare them, one is great at some things while the other is great at other things. Ariana strong points are her agility, she works more her runs, does more whistle notes, has great ease hitting the notes and her lows are also great but I feel like her breathing control is weak sometimes Demi doesn't really work her agility with her runs nor does a lot of while notes and her low notes are weak sometimes but she's a master at chest voice and mixing voices, at belting and and sustaining high notes, and she's able to transmit emotion like no one and has lungs for days. In conclusion, Ariana has more agility while Demi has more power.
I've NEVER heard any vocalist talk negatively about them... I assume maybe I only watched ones that made the impression of knowing what they're talking about. People that go on for too long about themselves seem to bore me fast
They have mad potential and naturally gifted voices. They can sustain and hit higher belted notes but Mariah is extremely agile compared to both and has amazing pitch, she almost doesn't miss a note which makes her performances glorious. Love them both, definitely 2 of the best vocalists of this generation.
@@ribaimusic You should take a look at Mariah performances especially when she was in her prime. You'll see how mariah has near perfect pitch. Love Ari and her music, but to be completely fair and honest, Mariah the greater singer. That also applies for their pitch.
vj seg mariah supports more then ariana and showcased everything that she could do with her voice which led her to losing it unfortunately. Ariana can do what mariah does and we still haven’t seen what she can do. one thing ariana has over mariah is consistency since mariah couldn’t really go on tour back to back cause her voice is fragile ... i love them both but this hate train ariana has received and the endless comparisons needs to stop ariana is a whole different amazing vocalist
@@ribaimusic Ariana cannot do all the things which Mariah can do.. I mean Ariana only sings soprano while Mariah sings both soprano and contralto.. Moreover Ariana's whistles are very average and she rarely does them live..on other hand Mariah has more control on whistles.. Her whistles are like bird and have tesitura and are very effortless.. If you said mariah can't tour anymore....She recently did Caution World Tour.. She sounded so great and this tour showcased the range of 5 octaves..you should see clips of her Asian shows.. U will clearly see the difference..While performing in Asia she's on fire..she sang live for like 2 hours in Manila ..her voice is incredible on very well warmed up and rested day.. . U should also see her acapella clips and home performances of 2020. She's supporting several E5s at the age of 50..yeah sometimes her voice is fragile due to nodules and less care..she was very consistent with her voice in her prime anyways.. Overall she still slays.. Sorry for my English, not a native speaker
I dont believe that u can actually be an expert in singing i believe that if u can sing and u have it in you u are then a good singer...everybody is special with their voices and a vocal teacher or expert is a nobody to come and judge u for ur voice..periodt...both powerful voices and so fucking talented i adore them1l❤
People usually talk about "support" wrongly, there isn't a belted note without some form of support behind it, its a matter of how Much support eg. While someone like Beyonce may have trained their breath and cord closure balance into using at list 70 - 90 % support on an F5 belt, for these 2 girls it could be at 20 - 50 % when they do it, that's why its consistent for Beyonce and inconsistent for them. Their core muscles are always activated but most times their placements are off, that's where the problems arise
Ok, I have a lot to say I don't really think Demi and Ariana are underappreciated The problem is many people heavily overrate and treat them as somewhat of a pinnacle of vocal ability while there are many more skilled vocalists than they are, which causes frustration among the community as these equally or even more advanced vocalists don't get the recognition that Ariana and Demi enjoy. 0:49 nice D5 by Demi 1:02 - 1:15 nobody denies these are great technical moments About the supported range Ariana uses a lot of reverb (and a slight pitch correction if may add) on tour. It makes the sound more muffled, adds more depth to it, hindering issues like tension and strain in general 1:41 Big no, Ariana doesn't support her E5's whatsoever, she's not consistent in the C5/C#5 range She may sound clear and pretty, but you have to listen to other actually supported, resonant belts to hear a difference Both Demi and Ariana can carry a shouty, yell-y quality in their belts 2:24, 2:31 3:12 Is this an indication that they're superior to Mariah? Trust me, they're not on Mariah's prime level It's super impressive that Demi and Ariana have a lot stamina can sustain her (strained) upper belts, but it doesn't put them above Mariah, Whitney, Celine 4:08 She's skilled, but I wouldn't say she has a 'perfect' control, that's a very big statement Morissete Amon is more skilled with her whistle register than Ariana, yet I still wouldn't say has a perfect control And all these "partially supported" notes and theory take away credit from vocalists who have more developed technique. I'm not hating, I really like Demi and Ariana but please let's not be delusional and acknowledge their strengths and weaknesses.
Finally someone had to mention the autotune and the reverb because thats what people always confuses on SWT was a note that had a lot of reverb to be supported
People are overly critical when it comes to their vocals. There are so many other singers that can barely hold a note that no one drags but I bet you there are people waiting on ari and Demi to mess up and use that to discredit their talent
Ain't No Other Fan my big issue with the RUclips vocal community is there’s a lot of people who don’t even study vocal technique in real life who wants to dictate on RUclips what’s supported or not. I see a lot of vocal coaches react to singers saying they have good support in belts that RUclips vocal fans say are strained and shitty lmao 😂
I’m done with this Ari rarely screams! Ari is one of the best singers ever! She’s a legend, myth, so is Demi I hate when people think they can compare amazing singers just why!?
@egan gillies She can and she has (I Have Nothing... she sang this song to the president in the White House 2014. Since you're a Liz Gillies fan, I was assuming that you'd like one of her closest friends but I guess I was wrong. You really don't like Ariana)
Great video, totally agree. They seriously are the best vocalists of our generation, alongside with tori kelly, and anyone disagreeing with that is just pressed and uneducated.
@@walidmahdab8475 she's amazing and most people do acknowledge that indeed. But there are some people that hate on her as well and it's just frustrating considering how much of a great vocalist she actually is😂❤
Thank you!!! Ugh you just earned a subscriber. I hate when people discredit them when they are basically just as good or better then some of their fave vocalist!
I do not think Ariana or Demi are under appreciated. Everyone says that they can sing and are talented. However, technically there are many vocal coaches, who rightfully so point out that their technique is not the best. There is a huge difference from supporting a note consistently and inconsistently. Ariana and Demi have trouble supporting C5/C#5 constantly let alone supporting an E5, which you pointed on this video. Also comparing them to Mariah on her prime is a terrible idea. In my opinion very few vocalists can compare to Mariah in her prime. Even if u compare Ariana and Demi with Mimi today, true Ariana and Demi’s voice are stronger and in a better place, however Mimi can still support constantly up to a D5, and has many supported Eb5 this year. Not to even mention the lows. Mariah has better control of her whistles and is more creative with them than any other singer.
It really seemed like you were pushing that Mariah on this video, like calm down, I get what you’re saying but Mariah is definitely a better technical vocalist than these two ladies, but there’s no need to bring down one to rise up the other two. I love all three of them and all of them have amazing vocals but trying to say Mariah can’t do something but OH Ariana can is just unnecessary.
@@acua2leody569 Are u mad.. Vocally saying Mariah is superior to Ariana in every register.. Mariah Carey belted up-to G#5 live and A5 in studio.. Mariah have nodules this means that her belting range is very limited..bcz nodules prevent the whole process of mixing.. And make voice more chesty due to this sometimes Mariah have to push to hit high belts.. Never in her prime just nowadays a little bit.. Acess to whistle register is equal.. Are u kidding bro? Arianas whistles are very average while Mariah's whistles like birds and she has more control over whistle register than anyone + her whistles are not pitchy & squeaky and have tesitura and brightness in them... OK if someone can whistle this doesn't mean he or she is Mariah Carey.. It's a part of voice that everyone can Acess but it's hard to control and speak in whistle Like Mariah and Minnie.. Moreover Ariana mainly sings soprano while Mariah sings both soprano and contralto..her low Notes are way better than Arianas.. For proof go see Mariah's you and I song (Stevie Wonder Tribute) performance .. Ariana is great singer but plz divas like Mariah Carey , Whitney The voice Houston and Celine Dion are untouchable both vocally and in terms of success..
Acua2 Leody first of all belting higher doesn’t make you a better vocalist. Mariah went up to a bb5 in studio but never live cause Mariah is musical like that and knows her limits(cause she has nodules but still went up to a G#5 live.) And 2nd, Mariah is A LOT better when it comes to the whistle register so please stop spreading this false nonsense
When it comes to Mariah she (only) supported up to f#5 consistently vs Ariana and Demi who support d5 inconsistently. Also when it comes to sustaining high belts her voice is lower than Ariana and Demi even if she’s a soprano. She can hit 2nd octave notes. Ariana and Demi can only dream of that (she’s my fave I had to defend her lol). All the less I definitely think Ariana and Demi are some of the vocals of this generation and deserves more credit. Good video🙌
Thank u for your feedback . I just wanted to make this video to show that Ari and Demi aren't bad at all . and aren't as far as people think they are ❤
Grande Vocal Highlights yeah I love Ariana and “like” Demi. They definitely deserve to be looked at good vocalists rather than basic singers like some people try to make them out to be .
This video is so biased LMAO, even if it's true that their supported range have increased (especially from Ariana) they are still VERY FAR from Mariah , they are still really inconsistent at support, their consistent range finishes at C5/C#5 if they are on a good day while Mariah had consistent support up to a G5. They also are very inconistent at resonance. And about belts, while it?s true that Mariah hasn't showcased higher than a G#5 live and a Bb5 on studio, I'm sure that she could easily hit A5s in her prime (which ends in 2005) and a Bb5 or a B5 during the Daydream era. And finally I'm not talking about the other registers
I think she could’ve also done a Bb5/B5 it during Glitter/Charmbracelet but that’s just me. Mariahs just so musical that she knows her limits and doesn’t want to start shouting so she can sound her best with belting/mixing
Demi's D5 arent supported (neither is that C#5 from Ari)...and we've all been acknowledging Ariana's old resonant B4s and supported 5th octave for forever. Mariah "ONLY" supported up to an F#5? Because not resonating C5 consistently and resonating F#5's consistently is so close in difficulty, right?
@@oozerboozer7628 I mean, they've shown it a couple times here and there in the early-mid 5th octave, but I wouldnt exactly call it supported. Demi has a supported E3 if I'm not wrong (I dont remember it well) and Ariana recently supported an F#3. Ariana has also recently supported some C#5's and almost supported some D5s
Nice video even if I'm a little disappointed that you almost only talked about range. Everyone has a different tessitura and vocal technique shouldn't be about comparing vocal ranges in my opinion. The concept of "support" doesn't make everything! 😉 Thanks for the hard work anyway!
I will be making a part 2 if I had time . I made this video to show that Ariana and Demi Aren't as bad as people think they are . and that they're close to 90s divas . that's it . Also Range is a huge part of a singer's voice . and that's what most people care about ❤.thank u for you feedback
@@walidmahdab8475 that is true, everyone is so bindfolded into thinking Range makes u a good singer when it doesn't its how u use ur range and how u implement ur technique into your range and also range isn't everything on being a good singer but somehow people think that
First of all . The they just scream one makes me so mad .HOW ARE THEY SCREAMM . U can hear the runs and vibrato. How is it screaming . Like at the end of the day I’m pretty sure most people think they are amazing vocalist
Stop being annoyng fans. None of vocal coaches hate ari or demi, they are some of the best singers of today's generation. They only show their vocal issues compared with singers as Whitney and mariah Who are obviusly better in vocal technich. Then you May like ari and demi more as an artist and their tone, but you can talk about vocal technich as if they and mariah and Whitney are equal
@@filippomaggioni8690 They definitely are comparable. Unlike Billie Eyelash. If Demi and Ari were born in the 60s, and the “legends” were born recently, your opinion would be flip flopped. I guarantee.
@@Chiffawndue ehm no. Its not about when you are born but the way you sing. There are vocalist as sohyang and Natalie Weiss that sing nowdays and are consider on the same level of mariah, Whitney Barbra etc.. so
Just letting y'all know, singing higher than another singer doesn't make you better Lol, it's the way you control your voice and produce the sound+ how good you make your music that sounds appealing to a lot of people so yeah MARIAH CAREY is the QUEEN OF QUEENS in the music industry, no hate or anything just saying
I am aware of that . and no I wasn't hating on Mariah . I used her for demonstration sake. And I was a little bit harsh on her. But I was just trying to prove my point ❤
plus Mariah's mother is a vocal coach, no wonder she has a better technique at such a young age compare to them that is evolving throughout their career
as a person with a high whistle register, i can vouch for ari and say that using vibrato on certain notes can be hard and sometimes dangerous vocal experts need to sit tf down.
I don’t think it’s like they are hated for their vocals but rather for their techniques. Like they have really nice voices and sound really good live, but there’s a difference between sounding good and actually singing well. Singing well is more about sounding good but doing it in a healthy way, without having, on the long term voice issues
Even if Ariana and Demi don’t have flawless techniques, they’re still one of the best vocalists in this generation of music full of subpar singers who can’t keep a note on key lmao 😂
Well. I'm glad u like it . its an Arabic song by a singer called Carole . She's like a middle eastern Diva. here is the link to the song ❤ ruclips.net/video/fQERSRnhF-M/видео.html
are people even serious !? I ve always considered Ari and Demi the best singers( I wish I could scream like them) ,Taylor swift and Ed Sheeron the best song writers , Nicki Minaj and Eminem the best rappers
Besides the ease ariana has, I believe she doesn't support much above since it would lose the "pop" sound plus mixing her way on the high notes keeping it light not giving it much effort or power will give her voice more longevity throughout her career
Cute BTS Imaginas Range doesn’t equal talent lmaoo, Whitney was LEAGUES ahead of Demi but had lesser chest range, this is NO WAY means Demi is a superior vocalist to Whitney... vocal chords are muscles and some people can naturally sing higher notes.
@Grande Vocal Highlights mariah mixes up to bb5, which is impressive in itself. not to mention, she was BORN with a vocal disadvantage by having nodules on her chords. i mean, so many times so many people forget that she was BORN with an obstacle and has proven to overcome it time and time again. ALSO, her natural voice, speaking voice that is, sits in the alto/tenor range. mariah is not naturally a soprano! her range defies her existence. her nodules allow her to enter the whistle register easy and her genre of music requires her voice to be higher, but if she didn't have nodules and focused on classical music, MARIAH WOULD BE DEFINED AS AN ALTO. so forgive her if she can "barely go to G#5/A5." i mean, its not like NATURE itself is against her or anything... and if thats not impressive, here's a visual of her vocal range: low notes -F#2 (most tenors - men - cap out after A2 btw), middle voice - Bb5, head voice - E6, whistle voice - Bb7. additionally, in terms of vocal agility, richness, range, resonance, musicality, songwriting, producing, and enunciation, mariah has them both beat hands down. that screaming that ariana and demi get criticized for is perceived by people from their lack of resonance and fullness in certain notes, which makes it sounds as if they are screaming. the higher the mixed voice goes for them, the more "shouty" it sounds. mariah never had this problem in her prime, because she has perfect resonance and just to rub it in, PERFECT PITCH. and for those of you noobs that see this comment and try to use references of mariah today, stfu and realize that she is a 50 year old woman BORN with a vocal condition that puts most singers out of the business by late 20s. if you want to compare mariah to these singers now, then you HAVE TO USE references of MARIAH in her 20s. even better? to be fair? simply line up all of the singers albums and compare them all by technique within each album. i mean they all started (with the exception of demi) in their early 20s, right? its only fair to compare them each in that way. i legit don't understand why people don't see this tf. she's 50 years old with nodules being compared against singers in their 20s in perfect vocal health. it'd be like comparing an old house in the 90s to a house today and expecting both to work in the same way and for the comparison to be equal. the fuck. lol. you people are seriously stupid or seriously delusional. anyway, vocal nodules are scary and can destroy the voice monumentally, hence why Adele and Pink and so many other singers got them removed as soon as possible. mariah beats the odds!
i wanna hear ari hit the following notes like mariah, live and with the same richness: G2, A2, B2, C3, D3, E3, E5, F5, F#5, G#6, A6, B6, C7 (full, not those piercing things she did on jimmy fallon), D7, E7, F7
I'm a die hard Mariah Carey fan and u stating Mariah can't do this and that but Ariana can do this, isn't music to my ears. But you're really respectful in the comment section even if others don't agree with it, which is really refreshing and nice. Keep on doing what u do❤️.
all these comments about mariah “knowing her limits” are odd to say the least. kudos to her for having amazing pitch & musicality and not straining or knowing her voice well . but not every singer is gonna have the same journey when learning their voice. i can only speak for ariana bc i don’t really follow demi, but i think her progress in figuring out what works for her has been AMAZING. some people need a few shaky notes or performances to get it on lock . i do wish she’d get a different vocal coach so she can polish her voice to perfection (and lets be fair if she did that there would be no stopping her).but i think her progress has been great nonetheless
also delusional stans!! enough with the “higher is better” ideology. it doesn’t always work in your faves favor so to speak. our girl EATS regardless in most every aspect of her voice , her upper register is only i piece of that .
I so agree I wish Ari would get a new vocal coach. I sadly doubt she will though 😭 She’s been with Eric Vetro since Victorious started & they’re very close evidently. & she has improved so much in a lot of ways, especially recently, but she does have so much more potential & I just honestly think she deserves so much better than Eric Vetro, he really doesn’t seem all that competent, especially for someone of Ariana’s caliber. I think she would’ve improved a lot quicker & be way beyond her current capabilities if she had a more suitable & knowledgeable teacher.
Celine Dion, one of the "big three" has a range similar to Demi. Her agility is better, but I hate it when people act like Demi is trash just because they're stuck in a 90s mindset.
I'm still mad they are out here collabing with the whole music industry but not eachother. Demi has such a powerful soulful voice. And ari has such an effortless fluid voice
yes omg after I lost all my hair hearing the collab between Demi and Christina I want her to work with vocalists even more and her and Ari just need the perfect song they will kill it
as someone who has taken vocal lessons since they were 4, I think I know my stuff. the people who hate them are honesty just jealous and most of the time those people aren't even professional.
4:28 and 4:30 arent whistles they are super head voice!!! while ariana HAS some control over her whistle register it is simply too inconsistent to be regarded as having full control like mariah does, who consistently whistles up to the 7th octave, while ariana sometimes does super head voice instead of whistle and even said herself that she doesnt wanna whistle often because she doesnt have full mastery over it yet.
I like the idea of idea of the video, Mariah Carey never tried hitting A5 live during her prime, she had no song with A5's during her prime but then After her prime she has A5 in Fly like a bird and Bb5 in other songs background.
Well, i don't see why compare Mariah (in her prime or not) with ariana or Demi, Mariah has always been very inconsistent over her belting-mixing range b'coz she's been struglling with her nodules and all that overworking. all that together, puts Mariah on a position where she avoid sustaining these high notes from that register to prevent even more inconsistencies and/or vocal injury. Mariah's Technic is really different from any other singer, and she developed it only to "sing (healthly or not) around the nodules". My point is: Mariah is not an "Standart" when it comes to apply vocal Technic comparasions (maybe she is in some cases, but not the case right Now) A singer Who has a belting/ mixing Technic more like ariana and Demi is Celine Dion, (obviously Ariana's Technic is mostly based on Mariah's, but with some improvments and some flaws) but i still don't like these comparasions
I feel the people that hate on their vocals seek out performances from them where they are tired or a bit off and go in. Every vocalist has off and bad days. But from what I have seen and heard both of these vocalist are pretty consistent. And amazingly skillful.
I get the whole point of this. For a long time I've tried to point out that you can still "support" your singing even if you're straining, like these two ladies do above some point. However, that doesn't mean their technique is as optimal as those vocalist who can support the same notes but avoiding any kind of tension, and here is where you can even tell that Ariana is in a more relaxed place than Demi, for example, or that JoJo or Beyonce are in a more relaxed (yet forward) place than Ariana and Demi. A more relaxed and open sound comes with a better placement of many muscles, and it prevents one to get injuries like vocal nodes or to crack during live performances.
I'm sorry but the title is incorrect! Love that you are giving them credit becouse they deserve it! They are the vocalists of this generation and some people don't give them credit. But many vocal coaches are loving them!!
Mariah knows her limit that's it. She preferred sustaining notes she knows she can support rather than pushing her belts to the top strained. Plus considering a fact that she did all those impressive vocals in her prime and obviously until now, with nodules on her vocal cords.
You should see Mariah's Make it happen performance of 1996 at Tokyo dome.. She was hitting C#5s and Eb5s like nothing.. With such ease and while running like she was possessed by a Holy Spirit..
This video only compared them to Mariah Carey not the 90s Divas. AND you only used high notes, what about other notes and abilities? Also, you clearly did your research on Ariana and Demi but not all the research on the 90s Divas (or M.C. I should say). They are from different eras and you will most likely not find enough footage for 90s divas the way you could for Ariana and Demi. And some of the clips you used, the girls were shouting to reach their notes. I'm sure there are better videos to support your claims. However, I will agree that they have definitely worked on their sounds and techniques. And I will agree that they are some of the best singers of this generation. And they are definitely exceptionally talented singers.
Listen, many of you decide which singer you like based on a high note, a high note does not make a singer to a good singer what singer sings and how singer presents the song, I admit sometimes nice to see a singer make a high note and impossible to perform but it is not what makes the singer good Demi is my favorite singer because I love the tone of her voice and her songs most of which with so much meaning, she is an amazing singer❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
This is a great video, but I don’t think they are criticized by vocal experts so often. A lot of vocal coaches consider them great singers, their songs are usually used as training when it comes to support, belting, runs.. there will always be someone who will hate, but their singing technique is acknowledged in the word of sing
Yeah I wasn't really talking about vocal coaches like Rebecca . Tristan . the honest vocal coach or any of these . I was talking mainly about those channels that are lambs or any weird fandom or especially those vocal stans u find in the comment section that try to criticise demi and Ariana and hate on them all the time
3:15 not saying ur video is bad u made good points however it should be remembered Mariah is a mezzo, not a light lyric soprano like Demi and ari- hence her smaller range in chest/mixed voice
The only reason the critics don't like them is because of their attitudes and past mistakes. I truly think they are such great singers and the critics should just focus on that instead of their "attitude"
I'm not talking about Tristan . the honest vocal coach . Rebecca or something like that . I'm mainly talking about youtubers who are lambs for example . or a Stan of a certain artist that has to criticize the f out of demi and ari . and those who'd say they're a disappointment when compared to 90s divas . which isn't true at all . I said vocal experts in almost a click-baity way where I just mean channels who Stan other artists and hate on Ariana and demi ❤❤
You should've added that Ariana utilzes head voice just as much as she utilizes falsetto... I hate it when people assume ari only ever uses falsetto in her upper-register where she has showcased multiple times that she can use head voice and even supported it consistently up to G#5/A5...
the thing is that non vocal experts thinks that nobody from today's musical industry can be as good as the divas from the 80s/ 90s. idk very much abt music, but i sure know what's the difference between what ariana and demi are doing here and the "screaming" people keep saying they do. they are the hope of today's musical industry! that's the tea! they are amazing singers and ppl *NEED* to stop hating and comparing them to divas! demi has a way to sing, ari has a way to sing, mariah has a way to sing, so has celine and so has every single singer, that's why you can't just compare them! people need to have more empathy these days (sorry if there's some mistakes here, my first language is portuguese)
personally i feel like demi should invest into trying to mix more in her upper belts because sometimes she sounds really shouty especially above F5 whereas people like mariah and whitney had a much more balanced and pleasant sounding sound. of course im no vocal expert but demis high belts just sound way too shouty for my liking sometimes. and im sure daydreamriah could belt up to B5 seeing as she supported up to A5 multiple times but she just didnt want to because mariah valued musicality more than pure range alone, and once u belt that high it has this weird tonal quality to it, for example sohyang's really high belts. im not saying sohyang's vocal ability isnt good, just that once u belt that high it seems that the voice cant help but develop this quality to it that just seems a bit grating.
Finally someone spoke about this . Ariana and Demi received enough hate and its about time someone gave them the credit they deserved . well done .
I said Mariah who is considered the best vocalist of all time . And don't get me wrong . she is amazing . she just lacked range in mixed voice . Ariana and demi can go all the way up to a B5 . while Mariah can barely go to G#5/A5
Zeek Street ummm you’re confusing power with shouting
I’m not sure how the video has anything to do with the title or what Vocal Coaches are saying they hate them. It seems like another generic vocal showcase.
Grande Vocal Highlights that was due to her having nodules that’s why u can’t compare them because talent wise they aren’t the same n vocal wise since mariah has nodules we never know her full range
Grande Vocal Highlights Ariana grande too and can sing the whistle tones like Mariah Carey
Honestly many of them just can't accept that there's actual talent in pop music too, they tend to think that no singer that came out after 2000 can be as good as the divas
I absolutely agree
@Luca Morello do forgive me for using the word stupid. that was mean and inconsiderate, so i'm sorry for that. the word ignorant or misguided is much more appropriate. secondly, ariana has been, up until the manchester incident, mac miller, and everything afterwards, notoriously known for having little to no emotion in her songs. she was considered an an emotionless singer up until those events, which just proves that it took those traumatic events to evoke deeper emotion within her and in return her fans. listening to ariana circa 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, you would have said she was emotionless in her songs (all with the exception of honeymoon avenue and maybe one or two others due to her relationship with jai brooks), which proves you're not a die hard fan. because as an arianator, ik that around those years she didn't have emotion and the emotion she did have came from failed relationships, not traumatic gut-wrenching events, which is why her recent albums are much better than the old. because they show that SHE'S ACTUALLY LIVED. anyway, sorry for the rant, but you obviously haven't listened to mariah carey's songs and probably only know her number ones, which is fine because some of the most emotional songs on the planet are found from just her 19 billboard number ones like ONE SWEET DAY and HERO, though she has many more emotional songs than those two. i mean she has an entire album named emotions and a song named emotions dedicated to the great emotions she felt when she was with someone that she loved. i will say that demi has the most emotion in her songs tbh, because of her struggle with mental health and alcohol and all within that nature. however, i never negated that she didn't have great emotion in her song. additionally, as im sure you don't know, like demi lovato, mariah carey has bipolar disorder. and addition to that, as im sure you don't know, many great people from within the music industry and art and science, etc, have mental health issues like bipolar disorder. i mean, albert einstein was mentally ill, mozart, so on and so forth. though not proven, i believe that in addition to their natural creativity that their mental health disorders allowed them to work more creatively and with heightened work. why do i think that? because i have bipolar disorder and its allowed me to be more creative at times, like when writing a song or painting, or writing, etc. what you fail to realize, since you're not a true fan of mariah, is that MANYYYYYYYYYYYYY of her songs carry great emotion if you actually paid attention to the lyrics or the situation behind the song. for example, BREAKDOWN (the emotion of rejection and all that it encompasses. loving someone that could never love you). UNDERNEATH THE STARS (the emotion of your first time having sex or just a great time that being with someone you love brings), OUTSIDE (because she's multiracial she felt like she never belonged anywhere. never truly accepted completely by her white roots, or african american or spanish roots. always feeling like an outsider and never truly belonging to one particular group, which was prominent in the 90s yet no one but her talked about it. which can also be applied to gender or sexual orentation, etc), ONE SWEET DAY (the death of a loved one and meeting them again in heaven), shall i go on? MARIAH HAS SOME OF THE MOST EMOTIONAL MUSIC IN THE WORLD. NOT ALL OF HER SONGS ARE FOCUSED ON WHISTLE REGISTER. MOST OF THE ONES I JUST LISTED HAVE 0 WHISTLE NOTES, but you wouldn't know that since you never gave her a try and chose to judge her off of songs like EMOTIONS or HEARTBREAKER or any other song that you listened to where whistle notes were present. if you'd actually give her a try and not judge her for her whistle notes, then you'd open your eyes and realize that so many of her songs have great emotion and are more than just the high note.
This!!!
They are the queenss and the vocalists of our generation
Vocalist or performers
literally
Maddie Hamby hate to burst your bubbles but.
No ariana is the best vicalist of all time no one beat her
JoJo , Tori K
How can Ariana grande be a “bad” singer if she sang to freaking president obama?
if ariana is bad selena is dead
henrique jesus omg this cracked me soo much tbh
@@henriquecjesus I WAS LAUGHING SO HARD AT THIS
I think she proved she’s far from a bad singer many many times so i don’t understand how people say she’s a bad singer
@@henriquecjesus LMFAO😂
U forgot to talk bout the lower register of them, they're actually pretty good, cause Whitney's support on the lows, ends on a F3, and Ariana's ends on F#3, and Demi's E3 in a luckily moment
I was going to talk about it but I decided not to because I'll get absolutely crucified if I brought up Whitney to the mix .but I might make a part 2 ❤
@@walidmahdab8475 I think u were risking more with Mariah, cause she has a big fanbase here in RUclips
I know .but I had to . just to clarify things. Ariana also has a big fandom. Mariah fans also discredit Ariana all the time . and I didn't even discredit her. I just said facts ❤
@@walidmahdab8475 yeah, but people hate comparing Ariana with Mariah, so, just don't put too much attention if u see Mariah fans commenting stuffs XD
Yeah lol I won't . thank u so much for watching ❤❤
They are criticizing Ariana and Demi for not supporting higher notes or having a "bad technique" but they still can't deny the fact that not so many people are capable of what they can do like who tf can sing an A5 or a Bb5 with that ease?? Can whistle tone or do some crazy falsettos or head tone?? Why can't we all just that they are both mf legends at this point?? They are ruling the music industry and they are both the vocalists of our generation. (Even Pati Labelle and some other legends agree) (srry for my bad english or maybe its good lol)
Yeah I absolutely agree . We need to stop sleeping on them . and no you're English is good ❤❤
@Hei Dinglepop wtf? can you see her performances of tmylm tour of 2018?? She hit high belts EVERY NIGHT with ease. And now, in 2020, she has even more ease. With her powerful voice
what about SoHyang tho?
@Hei Dinglepop you didn't see her in 2020 def. She almost supported G5 and supported E5s. With her natural tone. And yeah: heavily and powerful. Her voice is powerful since she is a child. I really can't understand what are you trying to say. And again: with incredible ease.
@egan gillies exactly lol, a lot of people studying music, as in music major students can sing FAR better and much healthier than Ariana and Demi combined. A vocal ensemble alone can sing these two "vocalists of our generation" to the ground. Like learn about vocals, music, and see the reality of the singer/music world and only then can you actually talk sense
my inner Arianator n lovatic are so happy 🖤they definitely extremely talented
Glad you're happy 😄 . I really wanted to make this video ❤❤ . Thank you so much for your feedback
Tbh I can understand the shouty argument for some of her be my baby bb5, because near the end of the tour, she started to lose her mix and it did become a bit more shouty. Also tho, on the SWT her bb5 are so much more controlled and better mixed than on HMT
One or two shouty Bb5s aren't enough to call a singer shouty . And yeah SWT definitely are better mixed . I used both to show a bit of each era ❤
@@walidmahdab8475 yeh of course she's not shouty overall, I just mean if someone looks at her last leg bb5 for be my baby then they will say she's shouty if you compared them to her breathin bb5 but yeh SWT is much better mixing wise
If you wanna hear shouty, go listen to morisette's G#5's, now that's shouty af
But whether or not it’s shouty... the girl is belting a Bb5 almost every night on tour. like these girls wouldn’t even dare to attempt to hit it.
ARB right, even the shoutier Bb5s in HMT still sound good to me although SWT Bb5s are technically better 😆
It’s crazy cause wasn’t ari professionally trained as a child
No
@Grande Vocal Highlights mariah mixes up to bb5, which is impressive in itself. not to mention, she was BORN with a vocal disadvantage by having nodules on her chords. i mean, so many times so many people forget that she was BORN with an obstacle and has proven to overcome it time and time again. ALSO, her natural voice, speaking voice that is, sits in the alto/tenor range. mariah is not naturally a soprano! her range defies her existence. her nodules allow her to enter the whistle register easy and her genre of music requires her voice to be higher, but if she didn't have nodules and focused on classical music, MARIAH WOULD BE DEFINED AS AN ALTO. so forgive her if she can "barely go to G#5/A5." i mean, its not like NATURE itself is against her or anything... and if thats not impressive, here's a visual of her vocal range: low notes -F#2 (most tenors - men - cap out after A2 btw), middle voice - Bb5, head voice - E6, whistle voice - Bb7. additionally, in terms of vocal agility, richness, range, resonance, musicality, songwriting, producing, and enunciation, mariah has them both beat hands down. that screaming that ariana and demi get criticized for is perceived by people from their lack of resonance and fullness in certain notes, which makes it sounds as if they are screaming. the higher the mixed voice goes for them, the more "shouty" it sounds. mariah never had this problem in her prime, because she has perfect resonance and just to rub it in, PERFECT PITCH. and for those of you noobs that see this comment and try to use references of mariah today, stfu and realize that she is a 50 year old woman BORN with a vocal condition that puts most singers out of the business by late 20s. if you want to compare mariah to these singers now, then you HAVE TO USE references of MARIAH in her 20s. even better? to be fair? simply line up all of the singers albums and compare them all by technique within each album. i mean they all started (with the exception of demi) in their early 20s, right? its only fair to compare them each in that way. i legit don't understand why people don't see this tf. she's 50 years old with nodules being compared against singers in their 20s in perfect vocal health. it'd be like comparing an old house in the 90s to a house today and expecting both to work in the same way and for the comparison to be equal. the fuck. lol. you people are seriously stupid or seriously delusional. anyway, vocal nodules are scary and can destroy the voice monumentally, hence why Adele and Pink and so many other singers got them removed as soon as possible. mariah beats the odds!
@@lerahavr815 she was not trained. she trained her self it's mostly self taught growing up until eric vetro was there for her. Know the difference.
@@jhunricvillordon5214 yes she was lol
@@jhunricvillordon5214how r u so ignorant? Lol you know there’s proof all over RUclips right? lmao
Demi and Ariana be like: what is human? 😂😂
the G6 whistle with liz gillies is so underrated. It sounds perfect. Vibrato, airflow, pitch,... and she did it which such ease
I know . it sounds amazing . One of her best G6s . So light and pretty
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@@walidmahdab8475 agreed
The thing with Mariah is that she knew her limits when performing live. She wouldn’t go for a note when she knew she wasn’t gonna be able to support it. That’s why she hardly ever sustained above E5. I feel like Mariah prefers a good feeling when singing rather than trying to “impress” people with a strained/tense belt, that’s a reason why she improvises a lot live. She’s clearly a perfectionist and i love that about her.
Exactly! Very accurate comment! 👏
👍👍👍Very well said
Never Forget You and the thing is Mariah has nodules so she HAS to sing with good technique or else she won’t last 3 decades singing her songs
Never Forget You Not to mention, Mariah herself said she doesn’t like to belt all the time but that’s what people wanted her to do. You’re absolutely right!
Actually, I prefer artists that keep trying to overcome theirselves and Demi Lovato is a perfect example. It’s the best vocalist in terms of belting of our generation and, for example, Mariah can’t do the same. Ariana Grande is a singer that can do everything with her voice, literally everything and I have to say it, Ariana can do very very high notes without any struggle, Mariah rarely can do the same. I respect Mariah and her fans, but people can’t say Ariana and Demi scream, it’s a lie. And, in addiction to it, I don’t think Demi tries to impress people with belting, but with the emotions she gives while she sings, like in Stone cold and Anyone. Even if she “tries to impress” with belting, ok, good, she has the capacity to impress people with that and these are points in her favour.
My thing is... People actually don't know what support is. They just say they're straining because they don't sound like Whitney or Mariah. Actual support is when you're using your abdominal and back muscles to execute a note correctly.
With that being said when you don't support a note you run out of breath very quickly because you're not supporting the sound with enough air. The correct term to use is freedom. What people are really listening for is that freedom in their voices, not support. Freedom is that ring, power, resonance, and correct placement you hear from Mariah.
In all honesty... Demi and Ari aren't as bad of vocalists as these non vocal coaches make them out to be. In reality the highest belts with FREEDOM (call it supported if you want) I've heard from them are;
Demi - F#5 (She becomes very inconsistent above Eb5 though. Her placement is full of tension, the unnecessary kind. She simply just pushes way too much).
Ariana - G#5 (She's actually somewhat consistent with this note. She doesn't strain at all, but at times she becomes too chesty causing her to restrict her freedom, causing that yellish tone. She stops being consistent after F#5/G5 though).
Absolutely agree !
Finally someone said it! The correct term is freedom. Both of them are supporting very well. And that's the best way to describe their belts.
I totally agree with you!!!
I don't know if it counts, but Demi has one A5 with natural larynx
You forgot the fact that there has to be no tension on the belts which makes wrong your statement
I have always thought that if Ariana or Demi had born 50 years before or something like that, by this moment they would be considerated as Divas, because they actually are.
I think that Maybe people say that they cannot sing because the kind of music that they sing, doesn't let them show their skills, because is more sound than voice, i'm saying this because i have heard them singing songs from 90's and when they sing that kind of music they leave us shook because they do it flawless.
My point is that they are talented as 90's Divas, such as Whitney, Mariah or Celine, but the kind of music that they sing doesn't let them show all what they got. Don't misunderstand me, i love their songs, but in current pop music is more hard to sing as a 90's Diva.
Hope you guys undestand what i'm saying, and if you don't, sorry, i translated this whole text by myself, because my native languaje is spanish. :)
They are hugely talented but unfortunately they do lack ( subtle but still significant) technique to be considered actual masters of their voices, let alone great vocalists
The only thing that makes the comparison unfair is the fact that
Demi and Ariana are going on a different vocal track
They're not mastering such techniques like Mariah's, Whitney's etc.
They're more onto pop music nowadays
The thing is that Demi
Specially Ari are reallt versatile
They can literally fir their voice in any genre and song that they'll sing
We see Ari
Singing ang Nailing Whistles, Celien's Song, Whitney's Song, Broadwag etc.
But we can't deny that Mariah is Mariah
Whitney is Whitney and so on
Amazing video except the whole supported G5 in Natural Woman but yeah they get heavily critizized because of the style they use for example Demi is more of a chesy mix/heavy belter and is known for pushing too much and with Ariana its because she isn't mixing with enough chest for her upper register and Diction but that shouldn't stop them from being called good vocalists as u pointed out Demi and Ariana are gaining so much support in their mixed register up to D5 for both of them and Ariana is partially supporting up Eb5/E5 and gaining more tone in their lows
Yeah . also I never said the G5 in natural woman was supported. I said almost because it was really good . also . thank u so much for your feedback ❤❤
@@walidmahdab8475 well either way its just seems like everyone thinks to be a good singer your technique has to be as good as Mariah or Beyonce or Celine Dion but thats not the case, every singer has different styles they like to use in their music and back then u had to have a good technique to protect your voice because Management and Record Labels didn't care for your voice
Yeah exactly . and also I highly doubt most people care that Ariana supported a G5 or sth . all that matters is good tone to them and that's pretty much it .❤
Grande Vocal Highlights exactly!!!
I didn't say it was . I said almost ❤
Literally vocalists of our generation!! Vocal coaches trying to hate on them are stupid and trying to do something. Also they're both so different too so there's no need to compare them, one is great at some things while the other is great at other things.
Ariana strong points are her agility, she works more her runs, does more whistle notes, has great ease hitting the notes and her lows are also great but I feel like her breathing control is weak sometimes
Demi doesn't really work her agility with her runs nor does a lot of while notes and her low notes are weak sometimes but she's a master at chest voice and mixing voices, at belting and and sustaining high notes, and she's able to transmit emotion like no one and has lungs for days.
In conclusion, Ariana has more agility while Demi has more power.
I absolutely agree with everything ❤. Thank u sm for watching
Yes...
I've NEVER heard any vocalist talk negatively about them...
I assume maybe I only watched ones that made the impression of knowing what they're talking about.
People that go on for too long about themselves seem to bore me fast
demi never does whistle notes live but her laugh is literally whistle tones
They have mad potential and naturally gifted voices. They can sustain and hit higher belted notes but Mariah is extremely agile compared to both and has amazing pitch, she almost doesn't miss a note which makes her performances glorious. Love them both, definitely 2 of the best vocalists of this generation.
Actually Ariana sings with great pitch too .
vj seg ariana has a better pitch then mariah
@@ribaimusic You should take a look at Mariah performances especially when she was in her prime. You'll see how mariah has near perfect pitch. Love Ari and her music, but to be completely fair and honest, Mariah the greater singer. That also applies for their pitch.
vj seg mariah supports more then ariana and showcased everything that she could do with her voice which led her to losing it unfortunately. Ariana can do what mariah does and we still haven’t seen what she can do. one thing ariana has over mariah is consistency since mariah couldn’t really go on tour back to back cause her voice is fragile ... i love them both but this hate train ariana has received and the endless comparisons needs to stop ariana is a whole different amazing vocalist
@@ribaimusic Ariana cannot do all the things which Mariah can do.. I mean Ariana only sings soprano while Mariah sings both soprano and contralto.. Moreover Ariana's whistles are very average and she rarely does them live..on other hand Mariah has more control on whistles.. Her whistles are like bird and have tesitura and are very effortless.. If you said mariah can't tour anymore....She recently did Caution World Tour.. She sounded so great and this tour showcased the range of 5 octaves..you should see clips of her Asian shows.. U will clearly see the difference..While performing in Asia she's on fire..she sang live for like 2 hours in Manila ..her voice is incredible on very well warmed up and rested day.. . U should also see her acapella clips and home performances of 2020. She's supporting several E5s at the age of 50..yeah sometimes her voice is fragile due to nodules and less care..she was very consistent with her voice in her prime anyways.. Overall she still slays.. Sorry for my English, not a native speaker
that intro is SOOOO annoying
Lol I was waiting for someone to say this 😂 . I was experimenting. Thank u for your feedback ❤
It’s sound like my brain at 3 am
@@walidmahdab8475 GOD i love it! Maybe because of those quick vocals.. What song is it?
trueeee
lana_is_lost same😂
Finally a video that has Ariana and Demi and isn't Ariana biased , good job , I wish there were more demi clips tho
Thank u so much . I'm very glad you u like my content . ❤❤❤❤ . and I will make a part 2 if I had time . and i'll show more Demi ❤
I dont believe that u can actually be an expert in singing i believe that if u can sing and u have it in you u are then a good singer...everybody is special with their voices and a vocal teacher or expert is a nobody to come and judge u for ur voice..periodt...both powerful voices and so fucking talented i adore them1l❤
I love this comment ❤
People usually talk about "support" wrongly, there isn't a belted note without some form of support behind it, its a matter of how Much support eg.
While someone like Beyonce may have trained their breath and cord closure balance into using at list 70 - 90 % support on an F5 belt, for these 2 girls it could be at 20 - 50 % when they do it, that's why its consistent for Beyonce and inconsistent for them.
Their core muscles are always activated but most times their placements are off, that's where the problems arise
These queens already get enough hate. They both have been through hell multiple times. And THEY DON'T SCREAM!!!!
Ok, I have a lot to say
I don't really think Demi and Ariana are underappreciated
The problem is many people heavily overrate and treat them as somewhat of a pinnacle of vocal ability while there are many more skilled vocalists than they are, which causes frustration among the community as these equally or even more advanced vocalists don't get the recognition that Ariana and Demi enjoy.
0:49 nice D5 by Demi
1:02 - 1:15 nobody denies these are great technical moments
About the supported range
Ariana uses a lot of reverb (and a slight pitch correction if may add) on tour. It makes the sound more muffled, adds more depth to it, hindering issues like tension and strain in general
1:41 Big no, Ariana doesn't support her E5's whatsoever, she's not consistent in the C5/C#5 range
She may sound clear and pretty, but you have to listen to other actually supported, resonant belts to hear a difference
Both Demi and Ariana can carry a shouty, yell-y quality in their belts
2:24, 2:31
3:12 Is this an indication that they're superior to Mariah? Trust me, they're not on Mariah's prime level
It's super impressive that Demi and Ariana have a lot stamina can sustain her (strained) upper belts, but it doesn't put them above Mariah, Whitney, Celine
4:08 She's skilled, but I wouldn't say she has a 'perfect' control, that's a very big statement
Morissete Amon is more skilled with her whistle register than Ariana, yet I still wouldn't say has a perfect control
And all these "partially supported" notes and theory take away credit from vocalists who have more developed technique.
I'm not hating, I really like Demi and Ariana but please let's not be delusional and acknowledge their strengths and weaknesses.
Finally someone had to mention the autotune and the reverb because thats what people always confuses on SWT was a note that had a lot of reverb to be supported
People are overly critical when it comes to their vocals. There are so many other singers that can barely hold a note that no one drags but I bet you there are people waiting on ari and Demi to mess up and use that to discredit their talent
Ain't No Other Fan my big issue with the RUclips vocal community is there’s a lot of people who don’t even study vocal technique in real life who wants to dictate on RUclips what’s supported or not.
I see a lot of vocal coaches react to singers saying they have good support in belts that RUclips vocal fans say are strained and shitty lmao 😂
xtina stan ?
Ha fan... R u a detective or smthg.... Just enjoy it jeez
my dream is to be a whistle from Ariana
lol ariana never claimed to be the best singer these vocal experts just jealous
I’m done with this Ari rarely screams! Ari is one of the best singers ever! She’s a legend, myth, so is Demi I hate when people think they can compare amazing singers just why!?
@egan gillies what?
@egan gillies She can and she has (I Have Nothing... she sang this song to the president in the White House 2014. Since you're a Liz Gillies fan, I was assuming that you'd like one of her closest friends but I guess I was wrong. You really don't like Ariana)
Great video, totally agree. They seriously are the best vocalists of our generation, alongside with tori kelly, and anyone disagreeing with that is just pressed and uneducated.
Yes I was going to include tori Kelly but she doesn't receive as much hate. Everyone knows she's great ❤❤
@@walidmahdab8475 she's amazing and most people do acknowledge that indeed. But there are some people that hate on her as well and it's just frustrating considering how much of a great vocalist she actually is😂❤
Yeah. They'll realise one day . thank u sm for watching ❤❤
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Can’t believe they say that they scream. Like they should be aware screaming so much ruins ppl’s voice
Thank you!!! Ugh you just earned a subscriber. I hate when people discredit them when they are basically just as good or better then some of their fave vocalist!
❤❤❤❤ . I'm so glad I made u happy . I had so much fun making this video . its about time someone gave them the credit they deserve
I do not think Ariana or Demi are under appreciated. Everyone says that they can sing and are talented. However, technically there are many vocal coaches, who rightfully so point out that their technique is not the best. There is a huge difference from supporting a note consistently and inconsistently. Ariana and Demi have trouble supporting C5/C#5 constantly let alone supporting an E5, which you pointed on this video. Also comparing them to Mariah on her prime is a terrible idea. In my opinion very few vocalists can compare to Mariah in her prime. Even if u compare Ariana and Demi with Mimi today, true Ariana and Demi’s voice are stronger and in a better place, however Mimi can still support constantly up to a D5, and has many supported Eb5 this year. Not to even mention the lows. Mariah has better control of her whistles and is more creative with them than any other singer.
And that's the whole ☕
Didn’t Mariah support E5 this year though?
Snow Bomb I am not sure. Maybe 🤔🤔
Ryan's Channel I thought she did during the MakeItHappen/TTR mashup but I wasn’t sure
@@GarageStudio7 Do you know Ari and Demi’s consistent support range? cause everyone keeps saying like F5 and Idk if its true or not.
It really seemed like you were pushing that Mariah on this video, like calm down, I get what you’re saying but Mariah is definitely a better technical vocalist than these two ladies, but there’s no need to bring down one to rise up the other two. I love all three of them and all of them have amazing vocals but trying to say Mariah can’t do something but OH Ariana can is just unnecessary.
Yeah I know . I do think I was a bit hard on Queen Mariah .but I really had to . sorry bout that . thank u sm for watching ❤❤❤
Grande Vocal Highlights Ariana is a better vocalist. She belts higher than Carey and the capability of whistle is equal. And also low notes.
@@acua2leody569 Are u mad.. Vocally saying Mariah is superior to Ariana in every register.. Mariah Carey belted up-to G#5 live and A5 in studio.. Mariah have nodules this means that her belting range is very limited..bcz nodules prevent the whole process of mixing.. And make voice more chesty due to this sometimes Mariah have to push to hit high belts.. Never in her prime just nowadays a little bit.. Acess to whistle register is equal.. Are u kidding bro? Arianas whistles are very average while Mariah's whistles like birds and she has more control over whistle register than anyone + her whistles are not pitchy & squeaky and have tesitura and brightness in them... OK if someone can whistle this doesn't mean he or she is Mariah Carey.. It's a part of voice that everyone can Acess but it's hard to control and speak in whistle Like Mariah and Minnie.. Moreover Ariana mainly sings soprano while Mariah sings both soprano and contralto..her low Notes are way better than Arianas.. For proof go see Mariah's you and I song (Stevie Wonder Tribute) performance .. Ariana is great singer but plz divas like Mariah Carey , Whitney The voice Houston and Celine Dion are untouchable both vocally and in terms of success..
Acua2 Leody first of all belting higher doesn’t make you a better vocalist. Mariah went up to a bb5 in studio but never live cause Mariah is musical like that and knows her limits(cause she has nodules but still went up to a G#5 live.) And 2nd, Mariah is A LOT better when it comes to the whistle register so please stop spreading this false nonsense
Gurpal Singh there’s a Bb5 in the Honey So So Def remix and Triumphant
When it comes to Mariah she (only) supported up to f#5 consistently vs Ariana and Demi who support d5 inconsistently. Also when it comes to sustaining high belts her voice is lower than Ariana and Demi even if she’s a soprano. She can hit 2nd octave notes. Ariana and Demi can only dream of that (she’s my fave I had to defend her lol). All the less I definitely think Ariana and Demi are some of the vocals of this generation and deserves more credit. Good video🙌
Thank u for your feedback . I just wanted to make this video to show that Ari and Demi aren't bad at all . and aren't as far as people think they are ❤
Grande Vocal Highlights yeah I love Ariana and “like” Demi. They definitely deserve to be looked at good vocalists rather than basic singers like some people try to make them out to be .
Darius C ariana has supported a few E5s tho
Mariah has that amazing access to the second-octave cause of the noodles tho
@@dariusc1030 Ariana hit a Bb2. When she was say something like "Happy Birthday Matt" or idk.
They both are queen of this generation
This video>>>>>>
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This video is so biased LMAO, even if it's true that their supported range have increased (especially from Ariana) they are still VERY FAR from Mariah , they are still really inconsistent at support, their consistent range finishes at C5/C#5 if they are on a good day while Mariah had consistent support up to a G5. They also are very inconistent at resonance. And about belts, while it?s true that Mariah hasn't showcased higher than a G#5 live and a Bb5 on studio, I'm sure that she could easily hit A5s in her prime (which ends in 2005) and a Bb5 or a B5 during the Daydream era. And finally I'm not talking about the other registers
I think she could’ve also done a Bb5/B5 it during Glitter/Charmbracelet but that’s just me. Mariahs just so musical that she knows her limits and doesn’t want to start shouting so she can sound her best with belting/mixing
I don't feel like Daydream can go up to Bb5 or B5 but I'm sure I can 🌚
Demi's D5 arent supported (neither is that C#5 from Ari)...and we've all been acknowledging Ariana's old resonant B4s and supported 5th octave for forever.
Mariah "ONLY" supported up to an F#5? Because not resonating C5 consistently and resonating F#5's consistently is so close in difficulty, right?
whats demi and ari’s actual CONSISTENT supported range honestly?
@@oozerboozer7628 demis like G#3/A3-C5/C#5 and ariana has like G#3-B4/C5
@@MariosPOS Oh they don’t have Head Voice?
@@oozerboozer7628 I mean, they've shown it a couple times here and there in the early-mid 5th octave, but I wouldnt exactly call it supported. Demi has a supported E3 if I'm not wrong (I dont remember it well) and Ariana recently supported an F#3. Ariana has also recently supported some C#5's and almost supported some D5s
I’m glad that someone finally made a video about this
Nice video even if I'm a little disappointed that you almost only talked about range. Everyone has a different tessitura and vocal technique shouldn't be about comparing vocal ranges in my opinion. The concept of "support" doesn't make everything! 😉
Thanks for the hard work anyway!
I will be making a part 2 if I had time . I made this video to show that Ariana and Demi Aren't as bad as people think they are . and that they're close to 90s divas . that's it . Also Range is a huge part of a singer's voice . and that's what most people care about ❤.thank u for you feedback
@@walidmahdab8475 that is true, everyone is so bindfolded into thinking Range makes u a good singer when it doesn't its how u use ur range and how u implement ur technique into your range and also range isn't everything on being a good singer but somehow people think that
First of all . The they just scream one makes me so mad .HOW ARE THEY SCREAMM . U can hear the runs and vibrato. How is it screaming . Like at the end of the day I’m pretty sure most people think they are amazing vocalist
Stop being annoyng fans. None of vocal coaches hate ari or demi, they are some of the best singers of today's generation. They only show their vocal issues compared with singers as Whitney and mariah Who are obviusly better in vocal technich. Then you May like ari and demi more as an artist and their tone, but you can talk about vocal technich as if they and mariah and Whitney are equal
filippo maggioni ;-;
You’d b surprised by how many people think everything these two lovely ladies do nothing but autotune when they have naturally gifted voices.
@@Chiffawndue i think its wrong to deny their talent. I Just sad that they are not comparabile to legendary singers
@@filippomaggioni8690 They definitely are comparable. Unlike Billie Eyelash. If Demi and Ari were born in the 60s, and the “legends” were born recently, your opinion would be flip flopped. I guarantee.
@@Chiffawndue ehm no. Its not about when you are born but the way you sing. There are vocalist as sohyang and Natalie Weiss that sing nowdays and are consider on the same level of mariah, Whitney Barbra etc.. so
I think they're just mad that they can sing so good
Just letting y'all know, singing higher than another singer doesn't make you better Lol, it's the way you control your voice and produce the sound+ how good you make your music that sounds appealing to a lot of people so yeah MARIAH CAREY is the QUEEN OF QUEENS in the music industry, no hate or anything just saying
Well said dhaling👍🏻👍🏻
Arianators wya😎😎🤭
But can you imagine how amazing their voices combined would sound like 😳. This is the collab I definitely want to see 💕👑
Same ❤
when you talk about mariah(not saying you're hating) you should mention that mariah has nodules since birth not just mention how she struggles E5's
I am aware of that . and no I wasn't hating on Mariah . I used her for demonstration sake. And I was a little bit harsh on her. But I was just trying to prove my point ❤
plus Mariah's mother is a vocal coach, no wonder she has a better technique at such a young age compare to them that is evolving throughout their career
@@walidmahdab8475 I wasn't saying you were hating, sorry if it came off to you in that way;-;
Nah its all good ❤❤
Because they used their high larynx but wtf they sound angelic and mariah is just an unpredictable Queen
high larynx is actually a misconception... its natural to have a high larynx... every time you speak your larynx raises
What is that intro, at first i thought it was indian rap 💀💀💀
Lol many people hated it . sorry bout that 😂😂❤❤
as a person with a high whistle register, i can vouch for ari and say that using vibrato on certain notes can be hard and sometimes dangerous vocal experts need to sit tf down.
Please don't delete this video because i want to show this to the people one day if they said ariana can't compare to mariah carey or whatever
Don't worry . its not going anywhere 😂😂❤❤❤❤
I don’t think it’s like they are hated for their vocals but rather for their techniques. Like they have really nice voices and sound really good live, but there’s a difference between sounding good and actually singing well. Singing well is more about sounding good but doing it in a healthy way, without having, on the long term voice issues
Even if Ariana and Demi don’t have flawless techniques, they’re still one of the best vocalists in this generation of music full of subpar singers who can’t keep a note on key lmao 😂
the Ariana's Bb5 is the most beautiful❤
i love the intro!
tell me EVERYTHING about it:)
Well. I'm glad u like it . its an Arabic song by a singer called Carole . She's like a middle eastern Diva. here is the link to the song ❤ ruclips.net/video/fQERSRnhF-M/видео.html
@@walidmahdab8475 tysm!!
GIRL what the FUCK was that intro music? 😂 had me RIPPING out my earbuds
I think the experts need to go back to school
are people even serious !? I ve always considered Ari and Demi the best singers( I wish I could scream like them) ,Taylor swift and Ed Sheeron the best song writers , Nicki Minaj and Eminem the best rappers
Besides the ease ariana has, I believe she doesn't support much above since it would lose the "pop" sound plus mixing her way on the high notes keeping it light not giving it much effort or power will give her voice more longevity throughout her career
I wanna hear mariah hit a Bb5 like ari's
Cute BTS Imaginas she did in “Honey so so def remix”
@@stephenhudson241 She did not support it like aria, mariah support reaches up to a F#5 barely a G5 not a Bb5
Cute BTS Imaginas Range doesn’t equal talent lmaoo, Whitney was LEAGUES ahead of Demi but had lesser chest range, this is NO WAY means Demi is a superior vocalist to Whitney... vocal chords are muscles and some people can naturally sing higher notes.
@Grande Vocal Highlights mariah mixes up to bb5, which is impressive in itself. not to mention, she was BORN with a vocal disadvantage by having nodules on her chords. i mean, so many times so many people forget that she was BORN with an obstacle and has proven to overcome it time and time again. ALSO, her natural voice, speaking voice that is, sits in the alto/tenor range. mariah is not naturally a soprano! her range defies her existence. her nodules allow her to enter the whistle register easy and her genre of music requires her voice to be higher, but if she didn't have nodules and focused on classical music, MARIAH WOULD BE DEFINED AS AN ALTO. so forgive her if she can "barely go to G#5/A5." i mean, its not like NATURE itself is against her or anything... and if thats not impressive, here's a visual of her vocal range: low notes -F#2 (most tenors - men - cap out after A2 btw), middle voice - Bb5, head voice - E6, whistle voice - Bb7. additionally, in terms of vocal agility, richness, range, resonance, musicality, songwriting, producing, and enunciation, mariah has them both beat hands down. that screaming that ariana and demi get criticized for is perceived by people from their lack of resonance and fullness in certain notes, which makes it sounds as if they are screaming. the higher the mixed voice goes for them, the more "shouty" it sounds. mariah never had this problem in her prime, because she has perfect resonance and just to rub it in, PERFECT PITCH. and for those of you noobs that see this comment and try to use references of mariah today, stfu and realize that she is a 50 year old woman BORN with a vocal condition that puts most singers out of the business by late 20s. if you want to compare mariah to these singers now, then you HAVE TO USE references of MARIAH in her 20s. even better? to be fair? simply line up all of the singers albums and compare them all by technique within each album. i mean they all started (with the exception of demi) in their early 20s, right? its only fair to compare them each in that way. i legit don't understand why people don't see this tf. she's 50 years old with nodules being compared against singers in their 20s in perfect vocal health. it'd be like comparing an old house in the 90s to a house today and expecting both to work in the same way and for the comparison to be equal. the fuck. lol. you people are seriously stupid or seriously delusional. anyway, vocal nodules are scary and can destroy the voice monumentally, hence why Adele and Pink and so many other singers got them removed as soon as possible. mariah beats the odds!
i wanna hear ari hit the following notes like mariah, live and with the same richness: G2, A2, B2, C3, D3, E3, E5, F5, F#5, G#6, A6, B6, C7 (full, not those piercing things she did on jimmy fallon), D7, E7, F7
I'm a die hard Mariah Carey fan and u stating Mariah can't do this and that but Ariana can do this, isn't music to my ears. But you're really respectful in the comment section even if others don't agree with it, which is really refreshing and nice. Keep on doing what u do❤️.
all these comments about mariah “knowing her limits” are odd to say the least. kudos to her for having amazing pitch & musicality and not straining or knowing her voice well . but not every singer is gonna have the same journey when learning their voice. i can only speak for ariana bc i don’t really follow demi, but i think her progress in figuring out what works for her has been AMAZING. some people need a few shaky notes or performances to get it on lock . i do wish she’d get a different vocal coach so she can polish her voice to perfection (and lets be fair if she did that there would be no stopping her).but i think her progress has been great nonetheless
also delusional stans!! enough with the “higher is better” ideology. it doesn’t always work in your faves favor so to speak. our girl EATS regardless in most every aspect of her voice , her upper register is only i piece of that .
I so agree I wish Ari would get a new vocal coach. I sadly doubt she will though 😭 She’s been with Eric Vetro since Victorious started & they’re very close evidently. & she has improved so much in a lot of ways, especially recently, but she does have so much more potential & I just honestly think she deserves so much better than Eric Vetro, he really doesn’t seem all that competent, especially for someone of Ariana’s caliber. I think she would’ve improved a lot quicker & be way beyond her current capabilities if she had a more suitable & knowledgeable teacher.
Celine Dion, one of the "big three" has a range similar to Demi. Her agility is better, but I hate it when people act like Demi is trash just because they're stuck in a 90s mindset.
I'm still mad they are out here collabing with the whole music industry but not eachother. Demi has such a powerful soulful voice. And ari has such an effortless fluid voice
yes omg after I lost all my hair hearing the collab between Demi and Christina I want her to work with vocalists even more and her and Ari just need the perfect song they will kill it
this age well
YEEEEEESSSSSS😍😍😍😍😍😍 omg thank you for making this video!!!
You're welcomed . I had so much fun making it . And I'm so glad you liked it ❤❤❤❤
as someone who has taken vocal lessons since they were 4, I think I know my stuff. the people who hate them are honesty just jealous and most of the time those people aren't even professional.
4:28 and 4:30 arent whistles they are super head voice!!! while ariana HAS some control over her whistle register it is simply too inconsistent to be regarded as having full control like mariah does, who consistently whistles up to the 7th octave, while ariana sometimes does super head voice instead of whistle and even said herself that she doesnt wanna whistle often because she doesnt have full mastery over it yet.
Nope, those are disconnected whistle notes not head voice (super head voice, is head voice).
Finally someone who makes a video about these Queens, love both of them
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I like the idea of idea of the video, Mariah Carey never tried hitting A5 live during her prime, she had no song with A5's during her prime but then After her prime she has A5 in Fly like a bird and Bb5 in other songs background.
Yeah but none were live . I absolutely love her though ❤❤
@@walidmahdab8475 yeah true but I believe she was able to sing it live. Even now, she lost ease but she still got it
I think it's because she only use her comfortable range
@@rachelsheefan7893 she wanted to sing safely since her vocal cords are so fragile and that's a good choice in my opinion
Well, i don't see why compare Mariah (in her prime or not) with ariana or Demi, Mariah has always been very inconsistent over her belting-mixing range b'coz she's been struglling with her nodules and all that overworking.
all that together, puts Mariah on a position where she avoid sustaining these high notes from that register to prevent even more inconsistencies and/or vocal injury.
Mariah's Technic is really different from any other singer, and she developed it only to "sing (healthly or not) around the nodules".
My point is: Mariah is not an "Standart" when it comes to apply vocal Technic comparasions (maybe she is in some cases, but not the case right Now)
A singer Who has a belting/ mixing Technic more like ariana and Demi is Celine Dion, (obviously Ariana's Technic is mostly based on Mariah's, but with some improvments and some flaws) but i still don't like these comparasions
I feel the people that hate on their vocals seek out performances from them where they are tired or a bit off and go in. Every vocalist has off and bad days. But from what I have seen and heard both of these vocalist are pretty consistent. And amazingly skillful.
Mariah in the 90s and 2000's was the best. I do love Demi and Ariana though.
I get the whole point of this. For a long time I've tried to point out that you can still "support" your singing even if you're straining, like these two ladies do above some point. However, that doesn't mean their technique is as optimal as those vocalist who can support the same notes but avoiding any kind of tension, and here is where you can even tell that Ariana is in a more relaxed place than Demi, for example, or that JoJo or Beyonce are in a more relaxed (yet forward) place than Ariana and Demi. A more relaxed and open sound comes with a better placement of many muscles, and it prevents one to get injuries like vocal nodes or to crack during live performances.
I'm sorry but the title is incorrect! Love that you are giving them credit becouse they deserve it! They are the vocalists of this generation and some people don't give them credit. But many vocal coaches are loving them!!
Mariah knows her limit that's it. She preferred sustaining notes she knows she can support rather than pushing her belts to the top strained. Plus considering a fact that she did all those impressive vocals in her prime and obviously until now, with nodules on her vocal cords.
Can you link that intro song? 🥺❤️
Yeah sure . Its an Arabic song BTW . here is the link ❤ ruclips.net/video/fQERSRnhF-M/видео.html
1:17 best C#5 i’ve ever heard from her
You should see Mariah's Make it happen performance of 1996 at Tokyo dome.. She was hitting C#5s and Eb5s like nothing.. With such ease and while running like she was possessed by a Holy Spirit..
Better than this ruclips.net/video/or9VjQqOUcs/видео.html
This video only compared them to Mariah Carey not the 90s Divas. AND you only used high notes, what about other notes and abilities? Also, you clearly did your research on Ariana and Demi but not all the research on the 90s Divas (or M.C. I should say). They are from different eras and you will most likely not find enough footage for 90s divas the way you could for Ariana and Demi. And some of the clips you used, the girls were shouting to reach their notes. I'm sure there are better videos to support your claims. However, I will agree that they have definitely worked on their sounds and techniques. And I will agree that they are some of the best singers of this generation. And they are definitely exceptionally talented singers.
@@BigDice fair enough lol
Listen, many of you decide which singer you like based on a high note, a high note does not make a singer to a good singer what singer sings and how singer presents the song, I admit sometimes nice to see a singer make a high note and impossible to perform but it is not what makes the singer good Demi is my favorite singer because I love the tone of her voice and her songs most of which with so much meaning, she is an amazing singer❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Vocalists of our generation, if the collab, it would break the internet
I know . this would literally be a dream come true ❤
This is a great video, but I don’t think they are criticized by vocal experts so often. A lot of vocal coaches consider them great singers, their songs are usually used as training when it comes to support, belting, runs.. there will always be someone who will hate, but their singing technique is acknowledged in the word of sing
Yeah I wasn't really talking about vocal coaches like Rebecca . Tristan . the honest vocal coach or any of these . I was talking mainly about those channels that are lambs or any weird fandom or especially those vocal stans u find in the comment section that try to criticise demi and Ariana and hate on them all the time
C'mon they are both freaking talented!! That's it periodt. ❤️❤️❤️
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Ariana be my baby notes are so high they sound like whistles and ari sounds like an angel she doesn't scream
3:15 not saying ur video is bad u made good points however it should be remembered Mariah is a mezzo, not a light lyric soprano like Demi and ari- hence her smaller range in chest/mixed voice
Mariah is definitely a soprano. But as she aged she became a mezzo . i used clips from when she used to be a soprano ❤
She is still a soprano but since she aged so has her voice and now she is more comfortable in her mid range. Your voice type cant change
And vocal type doesn’t define your range
They are hated because they are living there best life.
The only reason the critics don't like them is because of their attitudes and past mistakes. I truly think they are such great singers and the critics should just focus on that instead of their "attitude"
They... aren’t... every vocal coach that I’ve watch loves them... But I get what the video is about lol. Amazing video 😊
I'm not talking about Tristan . the honest vocal coach . Rebecca or something like that . I'm mainly talking about youtubers who are lambs for example . or a Stan of a certain artist that has to criticize the f out of demi and ari . and those who'd say they're a disappointment when compared to 90s divas . which isn't true at all . I said vocal experts in almost a click-baity way where I just mean channels who Stan other artists and hate on Ariana and demi ❤❤
I'm so glad you like it ❤❤
Grande Vocal Highlights oh ok! I’m so sorry I clearly didn’t understand. It’s my fault.
Grande Vocal Highlights ❤️
I read a lot of people said ariana or demi can't sing. I don't even know how I should react to those dumb comments
Yes they are the vocalist of our generation and I love it ❤️
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hated and heavily criticised are two different things...
You should've added that Ariana utilzes head voice just as much as she utilizes falsetto... I hate it when people assume ari only ever uses falsetto in her upper-register where she has showcased multiple times that she can use head voice and even supported it consistently up to G#5/A5...
how do u know if a note is supported. ik what breathsupport is but idk how to tell r=the difference
the thing is that non vocal experts thinks that nobody from today's musical industry can be as good as the divas from the 80s/ 90s. idk very much abt music, but i sure know what's the difference between what ariana and demi are doing here and the "screaming" people keep saying they do. they are the hope of today's musical industry! that's the tea! they are amazing singers and ppl *NEED* to stop hating and comparing them to divas! demi has a way to sing, ari has a way to sing, mariah has a way to sing, so has celine and so has every single singer, that's why you can't just compare them! people need to have more empathy these days (sorry if there's some mistakes here, my first language is portuguese)
But in my opinion ari is the best vocalist of our generation, again it's my opinion and she's also talented and deserves the love
1:01 I need this clip
Where is it from?
here’s the tea. if i have their voice and talent, I’ll be screaming the top of my lungs too. I don’t care what people think, bitch its my talent.
personally i feel like demi should invest into trying to mix more in her upper belts because sometimes she sounds really shouty especially above F5 whereas people like mariah and whitney had a much more balanced and pleasant sounding sound. of course im no vocal expert but demis high belts just sound way too shouty for my liking sometimes. and im sure daydreamriah could belt up to B5 seeing as she supported up to A5 multiple times but she just didnt want to because mariah valued musicality more than pure range alone, and once u belt that high it has this weird tonal quality to it, for example sohyang's really high belts. im not saying sohyang's vocal ability isnt good, just that once u belt that high it seems that the voice cant help but develop this quality to it that just seems a bit grating.
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As long as it sounds good and doesn’t damage their voice, its FINE , and not WRONG
can someone PLEASE tell me what night the be my baby performance is at 3:47
HMT Manila. here is the link ruclips.net/video/vNTfPJhWD-g/видео.html ❤❤❤
Grande Vocal Highlights thanks babe
I'm sorry I am late but what does it mean when a note is supported?