I've never commented on RUclips before. I've watched every episode of Fourever this season. It's been like my therapy/my big brothers bantering/my own personal fan group. But this was the most important episode. When we were winning and going along, the talk was fun. Today, I needed to hear this excellent talk and shared views. I was soooo down after the City game and our performance. So, a big thank you lads. Gives me hope for next season. Big up Fourever Forever!
Gents im not going to lie, i was aprehensive about watching this episode as I really didnt want to hear us bashing the team as like Lee said they have done so well this year. I have to say this episode was the best one you have done, the support and indepth analysis in this was amazing. A credit to you all and am proud to support Arsenal with you.
The Point that Turkish made about Tomiyasu/ White not being 2nd choice CB suggests Arteta still didn’t learn Player ROTATION and SUBSTITUTION . Arteta should have used White / Tomiyasu as CB at some games in the season to test situation like this Saliba is injured. ARTETA still didn’t learn this season also
Arteta needs to show he learned something from that city game and something needs to change we can all see it clearly. If we can't beat Chelsea at Emirates of all places I don't know man it will be very bad. It is essential for us to finish this season strong
I said bye bye title when Saliba got injured.We lost it at Anfield not last Wednesday.I can’t believe for the life of me why Arteta kept Rob Holding at Arsenal.He should have gone when Wenger left.
Everyone got injuries. Dias didnt play first half of season, ake is injured. Eriksen martial missed months, varane-martinez out for the season, luis diaz missed 8 months, etc when you played palace they had ball boy as goalie. Everyone has injuries. Thats on arteta if he spent 500 million in 3 years and you dont have a back cb
NUFC fan, u guys have been a breath of fresh air this season, playing some amazing football, you have made progress, no you havent bottled it, that is such a disgraceful thing to say. whatever happens u have had a great season. CIty are a seasoned machine they know how to win, your young team will learn
Thanks for the kind words, I hear what you're saying it's been amazing, our best season in 15 years... but frankly given the fact that we were in the position to stay top without even needing to beat City we HAVE bottled it...if we capitulate like I fear we might do (pitfalls of being a young team and all that) Newcastle will have had a better season than us facts, at least you've bounced back from the cup final loss and are looking strong to finish not even 4th but freaking 3rd lol. Hopefully we can do the same but I'm not confident, that Southampton draw really seemed to do a number on them mentally...but we'll see starting with Chelsea I guess. COYG 🔴⚪
This club always makes blunders in transfer window sells emi martinez a top keeper for only 20 million. Penny pinching for Bruno guimares isak and pays 35 million for viera 20 for lokonga
I am one of those fans that avoid fan cams and analysis after a loss. But can’t miss Fourever Arsenal no matter how hard it is to stomach the result. Time to pick ourselves up for Chelsea!
I do so hope that Arteta have other way of playing football, because he seem to play same way no matter who's in front of him. Halaand & De Bruyne were left wandering in front of Holding & Gabbie which was mindblowing really. Most difficult watch of the season.
I love that Turkish at least has the slightest dream remaining in him, even though also realistic at the same time. I wouldn't sell ESR just yet. Don't want him shining elsewhere like Willockinho is. Fabio has a gift of assists but he just looks lightweight, his overall awareness has to develop, so a loan for sure.
Today , I give my kudos to Jordan. His analysis is top notch. He is the first person I have seen highlighting the fact City dominated in every area. This is the reason why City win against us everytime. James saying Arterta had a disaster class makes me laugh. You can play all the formation you want and all the personel you want, if you cannot match the intensity and you are losing all your duels you stand no chance. Jordan said it, Arsenal could not even hold the ball cos city kept winning it back. Again guys listen to Jordan, Liverpool always compete with city in these games because they match their intensity and the duels are 50: 50. James is saying Arteta should change tactics and probably asked holding to step back. Now, we say what happened at liverpool in the 2nd half. Again , we could not match their intensity , we sat back for 50min and liverpool battered us but were not good in front of goal. Guys, let me point out to you , we will have the same game against Newcastle. This current team simply cannot handle it when opponents raise the intensity especially away from home. It happened at leeds 2nd half, southampton 2nd half, everton 90mins, westham after they scored, liverpool 2nd half and no city
The "one game a week" actually hampered Arsenal as the players had too much time to worry about the remaining matches and also get anxious about Man City...
On the Gabriel discussion…he’s made errors, sure. But Mikel’s asking him to do the work of 3 players atm. Gabriel has to do his own job, has to babysit Holding, AND be a left back for 90% of the game because Zinny is always high up the pitch. We need to cut him some slack. What we’re asking him to do is inane.
then he should show some balls and tell Zinchenko to stay in his position for 10-15 minutes because we are getting battered. Thats the problem not having any real leaders
@@DocYAYAYA in a way I agree. But that’s not how it works. Mikel is telling Zinny to play higher up the pitch. It’s not Gabriel’s job to undermine the coach during the game. Basically, you’re saying players should do whatever THEY think is right and disobey the coach?
@@anjoubrown5778 can you read? I literally explained that in my comment. If you disagree, that fine. But read the whole comment before leaving a comment of your own. And honestly, Gabriel has been sensational for about 85-90% of the year. But Mikel’s system demands an ENORMOUS amount from our CBs. We shouldn’t be turning on them if they done a few times.
Holding has been stealing a living at Arsenal for TIME! Of course he's got a smile and a wink when we're 3-1 down! I'd be chuffed if I was making thousands a week for being a bad defender lol. I'd get rid of Viera more than Smith Rowe. I'd keep Smith Rowe. I'd sell holding, elneny, nketiah, lakonga, tavares and I'd make Teirney 1ST choice leftback again and I do like the Mane idea from Jordan of all people, shocking 😳 but I'd prefer Ivan Toney. He's a prem proven big man now. And with teirney we would kill teams, teirney's crosses would be devastating. I like Oshiman as well. I think we need to leave zinchenko left back alone. He's not a left back. He's shoehorned in there and Tony Adams said it best that in possession its a strength but out of possession its a weakness. If you want him in the team its Xhakas position. Stop making Xhaka and Saka undroppable. Everyone should be droppable, its about form.
Jordan is 100% spot on about ESR. There are better players out there who fit where we’re headed. He’s not one of those players and Arteta knows it which is why he’s barely seeing any minutes
Lee, the team has been found out because Arteta did not change the format around. Should have played Tierney on left, Eddie up front (or Nelson), just to make City think. They did not have to think at all because we just played same old, same old and got found out. Shame
Arteta is absolutely responsible. No tactical acumen whatsoever. With that attitude, you need to be very lucky to win anything. When you look at the elite managers they have the opposite approach.
Another thing....If we're keeping the likes of ESR, Kiwior, Reiss, Tierney they need game time now because with CL next season if we change the team these players wouldn't have started for too long.
1. Marquinhos 20, has been far from terrible. Have you watched him at Norwich? 2. Every team makes poor signings. I think it fairer to judge overall transfer activity rather then individually
Big teams don't have starting 11s. They have a first 15 or 16 and they rotate or play specific players for specific opponents. ESR can absolutely fit into that wider squad which we should be building for. Part of the issue we had this year is not having a first 15 or 16.
Turkish's feed looks like he's hiding in a cupboard after the recent results. Love the pod, one of my favourites, alongside the invincible podcast and tactical insight.
I’m gonna say this, it’s not exactly fair to give it to this particular team in its current state, as they are not the players who got us here. Saliba, Tomiyasu, et Al missing is a huge blow to the confidence of a team. When can Dyke went for Liverpool, it completely derailed their season. It happens, injuries are a pain. They cost us leagues, think about how much we capitulated that season when Cazorla had the ankle surgery and never came back. So sad. But not fair to not include this in analysis.
Arteta looked devoid of ideas and just stood there emotionless. Maybe it was the big occasion and standing next to his mentor that caused him to be withdraw into a shell. He needed to be proactive and change things when his initial tactics were not working.
Have to disagree with Jordan about Smith Rowe. Martinelli had a very similar season in 20-21 but look at him now. I wouldn’t blame the club for selling smith rowe but I wouldn’t be surprised if he turns it around next season.
I back what others are saying, fourever is such an amazing podcast and big up to all of you. Turkish as a host on AFTV and big6 is brilliant and James is the GOAT of fan analysts
Jordan, City also tried to overwhelm us in the 2 previous games we lost against them, but we still played well and showed fight. The performance last week was shambolic. They played scared, as you said. It was more on the players than on what City did to us to prevent us from playing.
Tierney is way too good to be a backup. He’s a much better full back than zinchenko but not for this specific role barely any teams play. He deserves to be the main guy for a Juventus or any other champions league side. Injury problems aside you’ll struggle to find someone that’s a good defender and is good going forward. Even in a back 3 if you want to limit his overall output to risk the chance of injuries. He’s very good back there as was shown when arsenal won the fa cup and every Scotland game
I think Lee is being too harsh on Gabriel… you’re saying Saliba is our best defender.. let’s see Saliba next to Kiwior for 7 or 8 games then make that judgement!
Arsenal fans need to understand they are NOT a top team, they had a Cinderella run, like Lester city , however Lester had the perfect mix of working class players that never stoped running, and mixed with some truly world class players. Arsenal don’t have working class players, and they definitely don’t have true world class players, they are just a bunch of nice players passing they ball about, when they were put under immense pressure, and it was time to put the overalls on and work their tail off, they crumbled. This won’t ever happen again, Arsenal will go back to being a team fighting for europa/champions league places, they blew it!!!!
Last season it was never going to get a better chance of getting top 4, now not getting another chance to challenge? 😴😴 The player will gain another year of experience, we will recruit well in the summer and go again next season. Show some respect as well, comparing us to Leicester 😂
Yes u right arsenal will just stand there and just watch teams get better next season SMH.What are u talking about? One of the youngest teams in the league will get better provided with additional squad depth to our squad. We will be challenging again next season
Yeah we heard it last year that arsenal wouldnt be playing CL football until 2027 , also comparing the team that won a title once and the team that won it 13 times is so braindead
@@EMAN4everlife no you won’t, your going back to your normal level, fighting for europa league/champions league spots. This season was a Cinderella type season like Lester, this is not your true level , you overachieved, stop being deluded.!!!!!
@@Emmanuel-il7bn Lester won the league tittle during their cinderella season, , you lot fell apart , Lester had real world class talent, you have no world class talent. Your players are young and decent, that’s it, your going back to normal next season just trying to get into top four
Saka has to be dropped for next few games. Same when Arteta dropped Martinelli for those few games when he was off form. Saka has been playing very poorly. Bring in Trossard/ Reiss
Anybody have time stamps? Don’t really want to hear about the city match, but interested in thoughts about changes we can make rest of the season/summer.
I think Arteta has done a brilliant job so far but, this maybe his limit and taken us as far as he can. I'd be ruthless and get nagelsmann in now and push on next year.
Not sure Arteta is ruthless i know he is arrogant. and im tired of the same crap. Mistakes is in his 4th year and not really learning how to manager a team
@@BukayoDSaka He was making mistakes before Holding. Here are a few; 1) Fulham at home 2) Leeds away. Bamford gave him the ru n around. 3) Liverpool at home for the first goal. 4) Spurs at home; Gave away penalty 5) Maj city at home for 2nd goal 5) Bournmouth at home (first goal) 6) Bournmouth (2nd goal) 7) West Ham away gave the penalty 8) Liverpool away, for the first goal left Salah unmarked 9) Southampton at home. Wallcott was on his shoulder. All those are nothing to do with Holding.
Guys, also keep in mind that we need to register at least 4 players that are trained at the club. ESR counts a one of them, along with Saka, Nketiah and Martinelli, and Reiss. We need to keep him, otherwise, you would need to keep Reiss. I'd rather keep ESR than Reiss, although if Reiss wants to stay as a 3rd choice and we get another RW, I'd be ok with that
Arteta doesnt like changing much because he's inexperienced. Pep and Jose always switch things up to neutralise the opposition. Remember this is Artetas 1st job. Hopefully he will learn quickly from these painful moments
We choked, lack of experience, lost to the better team. We move on. Lets go out and beat Chelsea and get back to winning ways to finish off the season on a high. COYG!!!!
Jordan has stepped it up this cast. What a spot on set of comments about players out. ESM too slow and never in the side for me. Eddie-go, Lakonga-go. We need pace ESM dog slow.
That's not how it works, the team didn't have any pressures this season because no one expects them to get top 4... next season they will expect a title challenge and I can assure you we will barely make top 5, they can't handle pressure... newcastle,liverpool,chelsea will challenge for top 4 so don't get it twisted, this club is a joke
Loan Viera but nothing on Smith Rowe. A proper pre season after this long injury, he can get us goals from midfield once the ones behind him get upgraded and provide more steel
Deffo keep ESR I think he will be better than trossard. He was amazing last season. He’s had a big op to fix a issue his had since a child. He deserves another full season when his completely fit
@@sammutphil no I wasn’t saying you said it. And I agree trossard is the better player but at 22 I think ESR will end up the better player. Maybe my original post wasn’t clear enough haha
It's actually a massive compliment from Pep that they changed their formation to smother and counter the way we play....... that's World class management for you. Yes I'm disappointed with how we performed but Pep knows exactly what our kryptonite is and used it against us perfectly, Arteta has to learn from this and I'm sure he will. We need to invest in the summer as, when we are missing key players like Saliba, others aren't 100% fit and we don't have decent enough cover for them, we have a clear dropp off in quality.
Love this show. It’s good insight from older generation and young. Agreed with all points brought up. They arsenal that needs to leave is holding. Hale end boys keep. Jo Willlock has already said if Arsenal they will win somewhere else. We need to have team B. ESR is the further with Nelson, saka. And for love god I hope Edu and Mikel keep KT. It’s been a while since LB has crossed like that. We need him for the dirty games.
Bless em. They actually believed they'd win it vs a seasoned Pep City. Only Klopp's Liverpool are capable are properly challenging and beating them to trophies. Not just the prem.
Just imagine what the table would look like if we’d dropped all these points to West Ham, Southampton and Liverpool but we’d taken 3 points or even a point from one of the city games… Spurs, Liverpool, and United have all beaten them
The Point that Turkish made about Tomiyasu/ White not being 2nd choice CB suggests Arteta still didn’t learn Player ROTATION and SUBSTITUTION . Arteta should have used White / Tomiyasu as CB at some games in the season to test situation like this Saliba is injured. ARTETA still didn’t learn this season also
Whilst Rob Holding may be a nice bloke and happy to sit on the bench all season but, in my opinion, he's collecting a wage of a few million pounds a year from my club so he does need to moved on for a better quality player in that position.
I think your wrong Lee about Gabriel. He has been covering for that crap at left back for how many game's now? Plus on Wednesday he was covering for Holding too.
It's not just the fact that we lost big Will's defensive qualities, it's what he does with the ball going forward that sets him apart from Rob Holding. I'm not having a go at the lad, he's done his best and hasn't been a disaster at all, but he's not William Saliba and that matters to the whole team and the way we play. We have missed the big Frenchman but there's other players that have faltered as well, so it's not just one player here, they're all responsible. We have fallen off a cliff since the Liverpool draw and its cost us the title, we need to pick ourselves up off the floor and and keep the pressure up on Man City, make them work for the title.
Just watching this now, I hope you talk about that Stones 'goal', on/offside? We would have lost anyway, so it's not sour grapes, just the state of VAR in the EPL! Even the sky commentator & C0-commentator said it was offside on the 1st frozen picture shown, with the camera angle lined up parallel with the PEN box, but which was miracously shunted along 10m on the 2nd viewing picture! Which gave a skewiff angle of the offside line. For good reason a linesman runs up/down so he is looking right along the last line of defenders, yet WHY did VAR not show this angle for the 2nd VAR?
Kloop spend big money on one of the very best so did pepe ramsdale isn't at that level yet he will team in future as well. Arsenal need to get that maighan guy from ac milan
@@MadaboutsportsLuke my point is if we had have fielding a full 11 in the Fa cup even went on to win it you can bet then people would say that was the wrong thing and led to is dropping points in the league. You can’t win with these people. We’ve went for the league, it’s looking like we won’t win it but it was a good go and we go again next year.
James's analysis, opinions just gets better and better day by day imo. Like it whenever he speaks about Arsenal and analysis the games.
I've never commented on RUclips before. I've watched every episode of Fourever this season. It's been like my therapy/my big brothers bantering/my own personal fan group. But this was the most important episode. When we were winning and going along, the talk was fun. Today, I needed to hear this excellent talk and shared views. I was soooo down after the City game and our performance. So, a big thank you lads. Gives me hope for next season. Big up Fourever Forever!
That RUclips name is quality
Gents im not going to lie, i was aprehensive about watching this episode as I really didnt want to hear us bashing the team as like Lee said they have done so well this year. I have to say this episode was the best one you have done, the support and indepth analysis in this was amazing. A credit to you all and am proud to support Arsenal with you.
At times like this i miss claude. He is not afraid to say the obvious, these fans nowadays are bottlers like the club
😂😂
Please shutup
Well they have made careers of Arsenal bottling 😅
The Point that Turkish made about Tomiyasu/ White not being 2nd choice CB suggests Arteta still didn’t learn Player ROTATION and SUBSTITUTION . Arteta should have used White / Tomiyasu as CB at some games in the season to test situation like this Saliba is injured. ARTETA still didn’t learn this season also
@@5ammooshahary Tomiyasu is injured
Arteta needs to show he learned something from that city game and something needs to change we can all see it clearly. If we can't beat Chelsea at Emirates of all places I don't know man it will be very bad. It is essential for us to finish this season strong
I said bye bye title when Saliba got injured.We lost it at Anfield not last Wednesday.I can’t believe for the life of me why Arteta kept Rob Holding at Arsenal.He should have gone when Wenger left.
Arteta gave him a new contract to stay and it’s hard to move him on after the contract extension.
Everyone got injuries. Dias didnt play first half of season, ake is injured. Eriksen martial missed months, varane-martinez out for the season, luis diaz missed 8 months, etc when you played palace they had ball boy as goalie. Everyone has injuries. Thats on arteta if he spent 500 million in 3 years and you dont have a back cb
Saliba will be back next season to help you fight for top 4😂
Absolutely Arteta is responsible.I was begging for Holding contract not to be extended.That’s why if we don’t win something next year he should walk.
Arteta out? Clowns!
NUFC fan, u guys have been a breath of fresh air this season, playing some amazing football, you have made progress, no you havent bottled it, that is such a disgraceful thing to say. whatever happens u have had a great season. CIty are a seasoned machine they know how to win, your young team will learn
Thanks for the kind words, I hear what you're saying it's been amazing, our best season in 15 years... but frankly given the fact that we were in the position to stay top without even needing to beat City we HAVE bottled it...if we capitulate like I fear we might do (pitfalls of being a young team and all that) Newcastle will have had a better season than us facts, at least you've bounced back from the cup final loss and are looking strong to finish not even 4th but freaking 3rd lol. Hopefully we can do the same but I'm not confident, that Southampton draw really seemed to do a number on them mentally...but we'll see starting with Chelsea I guess. COYG 🔴⚪
NICE HAT JORDAN..WAIT A MINUTE THATS THE SEALING LIGHT
Turkish looks like he’s in an hostage video
Lmfao now you said it, I cant unsee it.
Lee is spot on. Arteta doesnt try anything different, we’ve seen holding not working again and again but he still plays him.
We should sell Viera, Lokonga and Holding
Not Vieira
@@ultraslanmc get out, vieira is weak, timid and scared, not cut it if we want to be challenging at the top
This club always makes blunders in transfer window sells emi martinez a top keeper for only 20 million.
Penny pinching for Bruno guimares isak and pays 35 million for viera 20 for lokonga
@@vjro9063 talented
@@ultraslanmc Was you at the Etihad last Wednesday plastic boy?
Well done Turkish changing your mind at the last second to get it spot on :) love this show guys
lee looks like he's about to busta rhyme from 8 mile 😂
Regarding Jordan's point, I haven't seen a team as scared since Brazil 1 Germany 7. He's right.
I am one of those fans that avoid fan cams and analysis after a loss. But can’t miss Fourever Arsenal no matter how hard it is to stomach the result.
Time to pick ourselves up for Chelsea!
Saft!!!
I do so hope that Arteta have other way of playing football, because he seem to play same way no matter who's in front of him.
Halaand & De Bruyne were left wandering in front of Holding & Gabbie which was mindblowing really. Most difficult watch of the season.
I love that Turkish at least has the slightest dream remaining in him, even though also realistic at the same time.
I wouldn't sell ESR just yet. Don't want him shining elsewhere like Willockinho is.
Fabio has a gift of assists but he just looks lightweight, his overall awareness has to develop, so a loan for sure.
Today , I give my kudos to Jordan. His analysis is top notch. He is the first person I have seen highlighting the fact City dominated in every area. This is the reason why City win against us everytime. James saying Arterta had a disaster class makes me laugh. You can play all the formation you want and all the personel you want, if you cannot match the intensity and you are losing all your duels you stand no chance. Jordan said it, Arsenal could not even hold the ball cos city kept winning it back. Again guys listen to Jordan, Liverpool always compete with city in these games because they match their intensity and the duels are 50: 50. James is saying Arteta should change tactics and probably asked holding to step back. Now, we say what happened at liverpool in the 2nd half. Again , we could not match their intensity , we sat back for 50min and liverpool battered us but were not good in front of goal. Guys, let me point out to you , we will have the same game against Newcastle. This current team simply cannot handle it when opponents raise the intensity especially away from home. It happened at leeds 2nd half, southampton 2nd half, everton 90mins, westham after they scored, liverpool 2nd half and no city
The "one game a week" actually hampered Arsenal as the players had too much time to worry about the remaining matches and also get anxious about Man City...
City are just a better team Pep is one of the great manager’s its that simple, nothing to do with not being in the Europa league smh
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 Pepe? Who is Pepe?
@@ultraslanmc Pep my bad
I dont think its being anxious i just think holding is dogshit. If we played more than one game we could have seen even more injuries too.
@@ultraslanmc Was you at the Etihad last Wednesday plastic boy?
The players were scared and hiding. It was visibly all over in the tunnel before they walked onto the pitch.
@Kris mafia don slaves don’t get paid. City players get paid pretty well
@@ursmokingbuj8546 own that bum
This is why i hated these cup final talks because it invited too much pressure for such a young squad. Why couldnt we just keep it one game at a time.
Emile Smith Rowe out the door is a wild take lol
“We were liking that bit about the Spiders” 😂😂😩
On the Gabriel discussion…he’s made errors, sure. But Mikel’s asking him to do the work of 3 players atm. Gabriel has to do his own job, has to babysit Holding, AND be a left back for 90% of the game because Zinny is always high up the pitch. We need to cut him some slack. What we’re asking him to do is inane.
I couldn't agree with you more.
then he should show some balls and tell Zinchenko to stay in his position for 10-15 minutes because we are getting battered. Thats the problem not having any real leaders
What three players job is he doing?..he plays the same position at left sided CB ever since. He is poor . period!
@@DocYAYAYA in a way I agree. But that’s not how it works. Mikel is telling Zinny to play higher up the pitch. It’s not Gabriel’s job to undermine the coach during the game. Basically, you’re saying players should do whatever THEY think is right and disobey the coach?
@@anjoubrown5778 can you read? I literally explained that in my comment. If you disagree, that fine. But read the whole comment before leaving a comment of your own. And honestly, Gabriel has been sensational for about 85-90% of the year. But Mikel’s system demands an ENORMOUS amount from our CBs. We shouldn’t be turning on them if they done a few times.
Holding has been stealing a living at Arsenal for TIME! Of course he's got a smile and a wink when we're 3-1 down! I'd be chuffed if I was making thousands a week for being a bad defender lol. I'd get rid of Viera more than Smith Rowe. I'd keep Smith Rowe. I'd sell holding, elneny, nketiah, lakonga, tavares and I'd make Teirney 1ST choice leftback again and I do like the Mane idea from Jordan of all people, shocking 😳 but I'd prefer Ivan Toney. He's a prem proven big man now. And with teirney we would kill teams, teirney's crosses would be devastating. I like Oshiman as well. I think we need to leave zinchenko left back alone. He's not a left back. He's shoehorned in there and Tony Adams said it best that in possession its a strength but out of possession its a weakness. If you want him in the team its Xhakas position. Stop making Xhaka and Saka undroppable. Everyone should be droppable, its about form.
Any player happy to be a bit-part player at any club, other than a goalkeeper, I cannot stand
Lee is too scared to criticise without always putting a disclaimer on his critique.
Jordan is 100% spot on about ESR. There are better players out there who fit where we’re headed. He’s not one of those players and Arteta knows it which is why he’s barely seeing any minutes
@@kunimitsune177 I can name 5 players right now that would come in and do what ESR can do and more
@@kunimitsune177 ESR's little passage boy still thinking he has a valid opinion.
Worthless boy
Lee, the team has been found out because Arteta did not change the format around. Should have played Tierney on left, Eddie up front (or Nelson), just to make City think. They did not have to think at all because we just played same old, same old and got found out. Shame
Arteta is absolutely responsible. No tactical acumen whatsoever. With that attitude, you need to be very lucky to win anything. When you look at the elite managers they have the opposite approach.
He's also responsible for turning Arsenal into challengers after three seasons.
Another thing....If we're keeping the likes of ESR, Kiwior, Reiss, Tierney they need game time now because with CL next season if we change the team these players wouldn't have started for too long.
EDU signing of Viera, Lokonga, Taveras, Runnarsonn, Marquinions have been shocking …the midfielders we recruit are terrible !
We need to get Brighton’s talent scouts they seem to find some great players
It’s fine at least we have pleased and made friends with Brighton and we have Jorginho…yah!
Marquinos is pretty decent for future the others contributed nothing to title race
Who is "Viera" (sic)?
1. Marquinhos 20, has been far from terrible. Have you watched him at Norwich?
2. Every team makes poor signings. I think it fairer to judge overall transfer activity rather then individually
Big teams don't have starting 11s. They have a first 15 or 16 and they rotate or play specific players for specific opponents. ESR can absolutely fit into that wider squad which we should be building for. Part of the issue we had this year is not having a first 15 or 16.
Arsenal do not dare sell smith rowe. Injuries have slowed him down this season but he'll be key to our future
Fulham had City sweating. We didn't. Fulham weren't "overawed" by them. We were bloody awful.
Day 3
Where are Ty?
Why did Arsenal lose? Where are the shout outs?
Turkish's feed looks like he's hiding in a cupboard after the recent results.
Love the pod, one of my favourites, alongside the invincible podcast and tactical insight.
James was on point with his analysis today. Very astute.
He Named him; Proud of you Jordan!
I’m gonna say this, it’s not exactly fair to give it to this particular team in its current state, as they are not the players who got us here. Saliba, Tomiyasu, et Al missing is a huge blow to the confidence of a team. When can Dyke went for Liverpool, it completely derailed their season. It happens, injuries are a pain. They cost us leagues, think about how much we capitulated that season when Cazorla had the ankle surgery and never came back. So sad. But not fair to not include this in analysis.
Arteta looked devoid of ideas and just stood there emotionless. Maybe it was the big occasion and standing next to his mentor that caused him to be withdraw into a shell. He needed to be proactive and change things when his initial tactics were not working.
that's because he is, wait tll next season when teams aren't surprised by Arsenal and they set up different. Arsenal be lucky to get top 4 next season
Have to disagree with Jordan about Smith Rowe. Martinelli had a very similar season in 20-21 but look at him now. I wouldn’t blame the club for selling smith rowe but I wouldn’t be surprised if he turns it around next season.
Great show 👏 hope to see you all on Tuesday 23rd May love ❤️ from Australia 🇦🇺 mate
I back what others are saying, fourever is such an amazing podcast and big up to all of you. Turkish as a host on AFTV and big6 is brilliant and James is the GOAT of fan analysts
Jordan, City also tried to overwhelm us in the 2 previous games we lost against them, but we still played well and showed fight. The performance last week was shambolic. They played scared, as you said. It was more on the players than on what City did to us to prevent us from playing.
Tierney is way too good to be a backup. He’s a much better full back than zinchenko but not for this specific role barely any teams play. He deserves to be the main guy for a Juventus or any other champions league side. Injury problems aside you’ll struggle to find someone that’s a good defender and is good going forward. Even in a back 3 if you want to limit his overall output to risk the chance of injuries. He’s very good back there as was shown when arsenal won the fa cup and every Scotland game
The World Cup games, for a squad that isn't deep enough to rotate regularly, have taken their toll.
I think Lee is being too harsh on Gabriel… you’re saying Saliba is our best defender.. let’s see Saliba next to Kiwior for 7 or 8 games then make that judgement!
Arsenal fans need to understand they are NOT a top team, they had a Cinderella run, like Lester city , however Lester had the perfect mix of working class players that never stoped running, and mixed with some truly world class players. Arsenal don’t have working class players, and they definitely don’t have true world class players, they are just a bunch of nice players passing they ball about, when they were put under immense pressure, and it was time to put the overalls on and work their tail off, they crumbled. This won’t ever happen again, Arsenal will go back to being a team fighting for europa/champions league places, they blew it!!!!
Last season it was never going to get a better chance of getting top 4, now not getting another chance to challenge? 😴😴 The player will gain another year of experience, we will recruit well in the summer and go again next season. Show some respect as well, comparing us to Leicester 😂
Yes u right arsenal will just stand there and just watch teams get better next season SMH.What are u talking about? One of the youngest teams in the league will get better provided with additional squad depth to our squad. We will be challenging again next season
Yeah we heard it last year that arsenal wouldnt be playing CL football until 2027 , also comparing the team that won a title once and the team that won it 13 times is so braindead
@@EMAN4everlife no you won’t, your going back to your normal level, fighting for europa league/champions league spots. This season was a Cinderella type season like Lester, this is not your true level , you overachieved, stop being deluded.!!!!!
@@Emmanuel-il7bn Lester won the league tittle during their cinderella season, , you lot fell apart , Lester had real world class talent, you have no world class talent. Your players are young and decent, that’s it, your going back to normal next season just trying to get into top four
Great to hear this analysis of the game. 😊⚽ God pod boys! Go gunners
Saka has to be dropped for next few games. Same when Arteta dropped Martinelli for those few games when he was off form. Saka has been playing very poorly. Bring in Trossard/ Reiss
Anybody have time stamps? Don’t really want to hear about the city match, but interested in thoughts about changes we can make rest of the season/summer.
I think Arteta has done a brilliant job so far but, this maybe his limit and taken us as far as he can. I'd be ruthless and get nagelsmann in now and push on next year.
don't talk nonsense
I hear you but I think he's earned another 2 seasons at least, we will something next year
Well done so far James 👍🏾
Not sure Arteta is ruthless i know he is arrogant. and im tired of the same crap. Mistakes is in his 4th year and not really learning how to manager a team
It’s getting boring to be honest
"The same crap" lmfao when was the last time you were in title race?
30:46 We must’ve been watching a different game. Haaland tormented Holding for 45 minutes in that cup game and Holding got taken off at HT.
Lee finally calling out Gabriel and James making excuse for him. 😂😂😂
Gabriel doesn’t trust holding. It’s obvious affecting his game. Gabriel has to cover zinchenko too. He’s playing RCB LCB and LB
@@BukayoDSaka welcome to Van Dijk’s life at Liverpool 🤣😭
@@ObviouslyKieran covering for holding zinchenko with a midfield offering him no cover.
@@BukayoDSaka He was making mistakes before Holding. Here are a few;
1) Fulham at home
2) Leeds away. Bamford gave him the ru n around.
3) Liverpool at home for the first goal.
4) Spurs at home; Gave away penalty
5) Maj city at home for 2nd goal
5) Bournmouth at home (first goal)
6) Bournmouth (2nd goal)
7) West Ham away gave the penalty
8) Liverpool away, for the first goal left Salah unmarked
9) Southampton at home. Wallcott was on his shoulder.
All those are nothing to do with Holding.
Gabriel had dodgy performances with David Luiz, he has a bit of a bozo gene
Guys, also keep in mind that we need to register at least 4 players that are trained at the club. ESR counts a one of them, along with Saka, Nketiah and Martinelli, and Reiss. We need to keep him, otherwise, you would need to keep Reiss. I'd rather keep ESR than Reiss, although if Reiss wants to stay as a 3rd choice and we get another RW, I'd be ok with that
The 7 points dropped against Southampton & Everton are where we blew it not at the Etihad
Agree 100%. Don't deserve to win the league
Everton was in february😂🤣
Missing the point..... Piss poor Everton and we lost 1-0. That's 3 points dropped
Arteta doesnt like changing much because he's inexperienced. Pep and Jose always switch things up to neutralise the opposition. Remember this is Artetas 1st job. Hopefully he will learn quickly from these painful moments
We choked, lack of experience, lost to the better team. We move on. Lets go out and beat Chelsea and get back to winning ways to finish off the season on a high. COYG!!!!
Jordan has stepped it up this cast. What a spot on set of comments about players out. ESM too slow and never in the side for me. Eddie-go, Lakonga-go. We need pace ESM dog slow.
last season we bottled top 4 and this season we got top 4, this season we bottled the PL but next season we will win the PL!
That is one thing about arteta is he overcomes his expectations but still feel we missed a good opportunities to win the title
That's not how it works, the team didn't have any pressures this season because no one expects them to get top 4... next season they will expect a title challenge and I can assure you we will barely make top 5, they can't handle pressure... newcastle,liverpool,chelsea will challenge for top 4 so don't get it twisted, this club is a joke
No you won't. You're not that team. And you don't have THAT coach.
James spot on on kiwior. Nobody spoke about him for more than a hour 😂
Loan Viera but nothing on Smith Rowe. A proper pre season after this long injury, he can get us goals from midfield once the ones behind him get upgraded and provide more steel
Deffo keep ESR I think he will be better than trossard. He was amazing last season. He’s had a big op to fix a issue his had since a child. He deserves another full season when his completely fit
I love ESR, but no way. We are under rating trossard so much. He doesn't give the ball away and seems to create so much.
@@sammutphil trossard is quality 100% but to say get rid of ESR is mad to me. A fully fit ESR can be a game changer
22 years old and him and saka carried us last season. He must stay IMO
@@Charlie-od4br never meant to get rid of esr. Just think that trossard is the better player.
@@sammutphil no I wasn’t saying you said it. And I agree trossard is the better player but at 22 I think ESR will end up the better player. Maybe my original post wasn’t clear enough haha
It's actually a massive compliment from Pep that they changed their formation to smother and counter the way we play....... that's World class management for you.
Yes I'm disappointed with how we performed but Pep knows exactly what our kryptonite is and used it against us perfectly, Arteta has to learn from this and I'm sure he will. We need to invest in the summer as, when we are missing key players like Saliba, others aren't 100% fit and we don't have decent enough cover for them, we have a clear dropp off in quality.
Mate Arteta has never beaten Pep in the leauge… When exactly will he ‘learn’ from all the defeats he’s had against him.
Even Ole has one over him 😅
jordan disagree with with ESR its injuries that have hurt him this season.....
We need to keep ESR bruh. I love how he ran at defenders. I want to see that the fearless couragous ESR once more
Finally, Jordan mention the name Xhaka
I'm keeping Smith Rowe
Love this show. It’s good insight from older generation and young. Agreed with all points brought up. They arsenal that needs to leave is holding. Hale end boys keep. Jo Willlock has already said if Arsenal they will win somewhere else. We need to have team B. ESR is the further with Nelson, saka. And for love god I hope Edu and Mikel keep KT. It’s been a while since LB has crossed like that. We need him for the dirty games.
Where is the Ty interview?
ESR has been injured most of the season. He is a very good player with a high ceiling. Let him compete with Odegaard. Keep him
Bless em. They actually believed they'd win it vs a seasoned Pep City. Only Klopp's Liverpool are capable are properly challenging and beating them to trophies. Not just the prem.
If arsenal win Tuesday we need a tactical insight special with lee & jordan! LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN 😂
The only time lee seeing clean sheets is at Jame’s house. That tells us everything about lee’s bedroom 🤢🤣
Just imagine what the table would look like if we’d dropped all these points to West Ham, Southampton and Liverpool but we’d taken 3 points or even a point from one of the city games… Spurs, Liverpool, and United have all beaten them
Selling Smith Rowe makes no sense
Jordan is spot on. FEAR EVERYWHERE
The Point that Turkish made about Tomiyasu/ White not being 2nd choice CB suggests Arteta still didn’t learn Player ROTATION and SUBSTITUTION . Arteta should have used White / Tomiyasu as CB at some games in the season to test situation like this Saliba is injured. ARTETA still didn’t learn this season also
Jordan dropped the ball harder than Arsenal by saying Xhaka's name.
Jordan saying get Mane stinks, like Jesus Christ the guy was having such a good show up until the 50 min mark
jorghino should of started ahead of Vieira smith Rowe and xhaka in the last few games we needed to be alot more defensive in the midfield
Yes, they were scared City would cut our defence by 10 goals to nil and did a very good job to avoid it...
Whilst Rob Holding may be a nice bloke and happy to sit on the bench all season but, in my opinion, he's collecting a wage of a few million pounds a year from my club so he does need to moved on for a better quality player in that position.
Any player like him can do one to a Wolves or a Burnley. I have no time for players who are happy to let others win them their medals.
Jordan being maaaaad harsh on ESR, arguably our player of the season last year
I think your wrong Lee about Gabriel. He has been covering for that crap at left back for how many game's now? Plus on Wednesday he was covering for Holding too.
It's not just the fact that we lost big Will's defensive qualities, it's what he does with the ball going forward that sets him apart from Rob Holding. I'm not having a go at the lad, he's done his best and hasn't been a disaster at all, but he's not William Saliba and that matters to the whole team and the way we play. We have missed the big Frenchman but there's other players that have faltered as well, so it's not just one player here, they're all responsible.
We have fallen off a cliff since the Liverpool draw and its cost us the title, we need to pick ourselves up off the floor and and keep the pressure up on Man City, make them work for the title.
Bring in an 8,6, CB, RW and ST
Go again next year on all fronts
Minimum top 4, an FA cup and qualify from UCL group stages
And maybe a top manager would help
Just watching this now, I hope you talk about that Stones 'goal', on/offside?
We would have lost anyway, so it's not sour grapes, just the state of VAR in the EPL!
Even the sky commentator & C0-commentator said it was offside on the 1st frozen picture shown, with the camera angle lined up parallel with the PEN box, but which was miracously shunted along 10m on the 2nd viewing picture!
Which gave a skewiff angle of the offside line.
For good reason a linesman runs up/down so he is looking right along the last line of defenders, yet WHY did VAR not show this angle for the 2nd VAR?
Agree on getting a new keeper to replace Turner, someone experienced to cover but also push Ramsdale
Id quite like Schmeichel
Kloop spend big money on one of the very best so did pepe ramsdale isn't at that level yet he will team in future as well.
Arsenal need to get that maighan guy from ac milan
I remember some of our fans talk about how good it was when we lost to City 1-0 in the fa cup. Some of our fans don't half talk a load of nonsense
Oh shut it. We won the FA cup and all i heard was 'its only the fa cup'. Nonsense talk and you know it.
@@SuziesAshes10 yes it was silly by some to suggest it was only the fa cup. Not sure what this has got to do with what I said
@@MadaboutsportsLuke my point is if we had have fielding a full 11 in the Fa cup even went on to win it you can bet then people would say that was the wrong thing and led to is dropping points in the league. You can’t win with these people. We’ve went for the league, it’s looking like we won’t win it but it was a good go and we go again next year.
@@SuziesAshes10 3 years on and you're still rattling on about an FA Cup loooooooool
Embarrassing
@@richardwalsh4472 case in point
City are always at the peak of their powers because they renew every season
Lee sheets are never clean. They are always dirty with his custard stains
Valid points from Jordan .
Pettino In > Emile Out man, man cannot stay fit! And yess Jimbo, Ivan Toney🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Good shout about Toney.
''Let's hire a boat''' Lee the SAVAGE
Our obsession with top 4 for years has hurt our club. But in 11 months time this could be a Champions League QF tie. We are miles off.
KDB is meant to be one of the quickest with the ball