@@HISuttonCovertShores hello mr.sutton. Could you please give an insight on the recent seawolf class underwater collision by the uss connecticut in the south china sea? I know I sound silly but do these collisions reveal any acoustic information or secrets that could be deduced due to said accidents.
Truly appreciate your time and effort. I came here from Sub brief “jive turkey” for all us older fans. Beyond impressed and can’t wait for more content. Your are the salt of the sea in my book.
I came here through Sub Brief. Thank you so much for providing factual and well researched content. As a side note, the US is working on AIP boat's presently. This followed a two year lease of a Gotland class not long ago.
Keep them coming, absolutely great stuff! There is a growing demand for this content and glad to see its someone with your knowledge level filling that gap!
I have really been enjoying listening to these chats since Aaron aimed us your way. He’s always credited you with much of his info as well. Much love to you from Raeford NC, USA. I wasn’t ever in the navy but read a book about the Scorpion and then Blind Mans Bluff and have been listening to as much about subs as possible over the last couple of years. Thank you for the wonderful info that you put out. Absolutely wonderful info.
I thought that this was gonna be one of those robot voice videos till i recognized your name from jives mentioning it so often im subbed and have liked this video
Considering the amount of boats and capabilities the PLAN has they are definitely a force to be reckon with. Rather curious about the new subs, especially the SSBN. As far as I recall they are the only ones currently developing a new gen (at least the US is not currently thinking about a Ohio-replacement, notwithstanding that it is currently struggling in pumping out as many Virginia-class as they want)
The Brits are building their lead ship of the Dreadnought-class SSBN ( HMS Dreadnought I presume ) , the Americans also are also working on the Columbia-class SSBN , which is said to be heavily based on the British Dreadnought .
By the way , The Chinese are very special in this regard The Chinese have a tremendously rapid-growing technological base in submarine-related areas ( compared to for example air defense , missile , aviation ( except for combat aviation engines ) , land forces and surface combatants in which the PLA has achieved maturity ) and hence after each series the new achieved technologies vastly date ( or maybe even outdate ) the older , available , currently deployed technologies . Consider that even now they're not fully on par with other nations , especially in nuclear subs . Also the experiences gained , and the mistakes of previous designs considered and the ways and requirements of the future learned , all lead to the development of new generations . Don't get me wrong , some of these technologies may eventually find their way to older hulls in service in modernizations or refits , but mainly the technologies are meant for the future not the past .
I've heard talk about saillless submarines before and people seem to think they're the future of submarines- what's the benefit of a sailless submarine? Is the sail a weak spot in the pressure vessel?
AIP subs might be very dangerous in coastal waters, especialy in a potential Taiwan engagement they could really be a threat to supply routes. I wonder if they are as quiet as their western counter parts.
Pretty much. At the very least they would make it lethal to sail in Taiwan's west and north coast and the Northern Philippine Islands. East coast, i.e. the open ocean, they are not as effective. But its enough to support their invasion plan for Taiwan.
@@ricktoconnor Contrary to popular belief China doesn't need to fight USA on open pacific. If blockaded, they would rather have to open a passage through Malacca straight to the Persian gulf and suez canal. If they engaged Americans on deep sea it would likely be in the Indian Ocean.
@@leojohn1615 There is no way US can set up this blockade in the first place. Surface ships would be btfo by submarines and air power. Your best chance is commerce raiding by the SSNs from only a few possible bases that are vulnerable themselves. The worst thing by far is the long term prospects. It takes American shipyards years to build a sub, and you have serious recruitment issues. It would be catastrophic for US Navy to engage PLAN because they can actually take losses and replace them.
Another great video Mr. Sutton. I have recently started watching your episodes, yet been reading your articles for years. And use them to help me on my drawings. (I like to draw (2D) cutaways in my spare time.) On one of your cutaways, how tall is the deck inside the Scorpène-class/Kalvari-class and A26 submarines? (Pressure Hull is 20ft diameter, which means 1 deck/2 levels. 10ft decks seems a bit large.) Been trying to draw a small diesel-electric/AIP, yet couldn't figure out deck height. But nonetheless, keep up the outstanding work.
I tend to use a loose orthographic projection to keep vertical straight up (not angled towards the viewer) so the deck spacings get distorted. I draw them by eye.
The Song class subs have a more than passing resemblance to the French Agosta class boats. Also, do the Chinese still use the Type 033 class boats for training/inshore patrol?
Very succinct & informative report here! Subscribed tonight(!) I've loved subs ever since I was old enough to read '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' back in the 1960s. I can see why Sub Brief (Aaron) highly promotes and recommends your articles! Got any rare pics/info about WWII British S and/or T class subs? T boats had an interesting bow shape to them not really copied by any other navies. I think it may have been to accommodate 2 external forward torpedo tubes if memory serves. Was a max bow salvo 6, 8, or 10 tubes on a T? Were they able to enter course data to these 2 tubes, or were they just straight-ahead beefy bow salvos? (Nobody is talkin' much about it even to this day - hush, hush! ;-)
ideally it doesnt matter because target will be destroyed. yes those are noisy and sort of gives away but submarine moves so its not static target and if it turns it narrows down to where ti was but not where it will be in future
Launching from torpedo is stealthier compared to when you launch from VLS and you can move at a faster pace while doing so. That is why Japan skipped on it.
@@miraphycs7377 That's just false. Japan is held back by its occupation constitution drawn up by Douglas McArthur's aides. They were forced to rescind their right to wage war and a range of "offensive" weaponry under an American dictat.
Some submarines, especially diesel electric coastals use "swim-out" electric torpedoes, which don't need a pressurized air "push-out", which is the classic method and yes, it's very loud.
Also, regarding sound of torpedoes, because someone liked my comment and I got reminded about it. Electric motors are quieter, I know earlier Otto-fuel weapons (combustion engine) can be heard by the sound of their engine and not just propeller. In combat its normal that a launched torpedo will only get heard once it approaches the target due to a range of reasons - attacking submarine will try to position itself in a different layer, the dead zone behind the sub not covered by the high performance sonar, etc. But eventually every torpedo will be heard approaching due to the spinning propeller, and towed sonars universally used today.
BOBO ::: AIP sub is no threat. It carries no SLBM, limited range, slow, and can’t remain submerged indefinitely like a nuke sub. And Chinese subs are noisy - easy prey for US Attack subs. When you realize the entire US sub fleet is nuke propulsion, you have to admit you are wrong about AIP.
@@ubermenschen3636 not really. Sure, compared to Western Subs or Korean or Japanese Subs they are noisy but AIP still gives them a lot of capability for staying submerged for a longer time. In the South China Sea, they serve as excellent tools for hunting enemies or for area denial. A sub doesnt have to be nuclear to be effective in a role.
@@ubermenschen3636 I cant post a link to the new North Korean SSB. Go to CSIC RUclips Video of North Korea's Sinpo Shipyard. High Resolution Images. I cant post this all in one post due to YT rules.
Many decades ago, theUS Navy had made the study comparing pro and cons of nuke versus non-nuke sub - apparently, you didn’t get the memo. You can see the conclusion of that study: the entire US sub fleet is nuke.
Unlimited range and speed is why the U.S. Navy chose nuclear over conventional subs and they will keep on doing it even if its costly. Ask why China is making nuclear submarines even if the technology in conventional subs has improved.
@@deltaboy2011 There is a case to be made to use them to defend strategic choke points in littoral sea-lanes where forward basing is possible. I'm not a real advocate either way. I think it would be interesting to hear both arguments given the H I Sutton treatment.
@@ajbridgewater Every country has their own philosophy on what type of subs they want whether conventional or nuclear. For example, Japan only needs conventional subs to defend their homeland close to home and no need for them to go afar.
With so many ships, it really dilutes the specialized talent pool that is needed to operate them effectively, doesn't it? It also makes maintenance more complicated and expensive.
Not really. All the 039 family subs have very similar internal layout and maintenance requirements (including basically the same diesel engine), the difference being only the AIP and some bits and bobs outside. The 093 and 094 are basically the same ship, with the difference being the SLBM module plopped in the middle. This is also why some 093s have been seen with the Chinese UVLS installed where the SLBM section is found in 094. The one and only Han has only sailed out once in the past three years, and the Mings are mostly just used training recruits. Realistically, China only operates 2 and a half sub classes. The rest are experimentals.
@@andrewsuryali8540 That makes sense. I had heard that their navy was afraid to go out to sea in them and that there was fear in diving them. But I saw a recent video about the geographical constraints that the Chinese navy has. It seems to me that the Chinese have a threefold problem: experience, geography, and partnership. Their navy would be a nuisance in a conflict, but little else.
@@dwilson284 Their NAVY is still the largest in the world and can probably sink every ship entering their control zone BECAUSE of the geographical limitations and sheer number of missiles alone. Their SUB FLEET is almost totally useless. Two different things. The way the geographical wall of allies works is just like any other wall. You can hold the enemy at bay on the other side of that wall as long as you stay on your own side. However, any ally stuck on the other side of the wall is screwed.
@@andrewsuryali8540 The navy would be limited and suffer a high casualty rate very early on in a conflict. Ships are all about controlling a battle space, but artillery from shore does not have the same inventory constraints that ships and aircraft have. Satellite imagery and human intelligence will give plenty of advance warning to limit the navy's mobility with explosive effects. Submarine warfare would probably be the best early-conflict option for China.
X rudders are more for littoral submarines, which China doesn't really operate. But why do you think China wouldn't use pump jets on the 09-V and 09-VI - they have superior acoustic properties to exposed blades and are standard on next generation submarines, which I assume China will try to at least match.
Some people said the Russians and the Chinese were about to cooperate on a joint diesel-electric sub , presumably the Amur class ( not sure which variant ) and finally finish this project after more than a decade . Do you have anything solid on it or is it just rumors ? Personally I see it beneficial and logical for both sides but the Russians usually don't seem to think about benefit while pride makes them blind -_- This also adds new dimensions to their warfare since the Russians actually first implemented VLS on the Amur ( which was said to have AIP ) but was never completed -- and some sources also say the South Koreans received Russian technical support for the integration of VLS on KSS-III ( as once before they helped the Koreans with their KM-SAM air defense systems ) -- and increases the firepowers and options of these navies .
i think amur was sort of export only submarine. one submarine with many sub classes since for domestic use they are making lada class...possibly one class after lada too since lada was not so good apparently and they still use improved kilo anyway. also with better batteries AIP might soon be obsolete
Biggest advantage of lada/amur is its conformal sonar suite. Why would Russians want to just sell the tech to China, I'm not sure. If they bought several boats, sure. But there's really nothing to cooperate on. Second and third lada boats are being finished after their project changed mid-production. Boats 4 and 5 were ordered, which tells me the r&d is finalized.
And saying that a state or a corporation "is prideful, instead of thinking about profits" is a braindead take. Guarding from industrial espionage is actually crucial in securing export orders.
If China can fit HGV onto their future JL-3 SLBMs, does it mean their 096 SSBNs can operate in a bastion extremely close to shore along any part of the China coast since with HGVs there is no longer a range consideration. Hence no need to breach the first island chain choke points to avoid enemy ASW assets.
That was never a plan to my knowledge. Shallow water like the bohai sea would be a pretty bad place to hide an ssbn. All of the jin class are stationed on Hainan Island and would hang out in relatively deeper south China sea.
I have some bad news. If your surface fleet can't operate outside the umbrella of your land based missiles, IT IS NOT A NAVY. Bring your sailors out to meet us in mid-Pacific. The sharks are hungry.
Nicely done, I appreciate your depth of understanding.
Thank you!
@@HISuttonCovertShores hello mr.sutton.
Could you please give an insight on the recent seawolf class underwater collision by the uss connecticut in the south china sea?
I know I sound silly but do these collisions reveal any acoustic information or secrets that could be deduced due to said accidents.
Submarine, depth of understanding....
I detected what you did there, friend :)
@@rhystillo 😊
Badum tiss
Love your submarine cutouts. Appreciated the time you take to draw them. Your videos are so informative.
A tutorial on how to make magic with MS paint would be amazing.
Here on Jive Turkey's recommendation.
Was looking for this exact information. Format is concise and digestible, many thanks. Subscribed!
Truly appreciate your time and effort. I came here from Sub brief “jive turkey” for all us older fans. Beyond impressed and can’t wait for more content. Your are the salt of the sea in my book.
I came here through Sub Brief. Thank you so much for providing factual and well researched content. As a side note, the US is working on AIP boat's presently. This followed a two year lease of a Gotland class not long ago.
Thank you for making this video after my suggestion Mr. Sutton. It's very much appreciated.
Keep them coming, absolutely great stuff! There is a growing demand for this content and glad to see its someone with your knowledge level filling that gap!
Here from Sub Brief, wonderful channel! Thank you for the excellent content! Subscribed
I have really been enjoying listening to these chats since Aaron aimed us your way. He’s always credited you with much of his info as well. Much love to you from Raeford NC, USA. I wasn’t ever in the navy but read a book about the Scorpion and then Blind Mans Bluff and have been listening to as much about subs as possible over the last couple of years. Thank you for the wonderful info that you put out. Absolutely wonderful info.
Your channel was recommended by Sub Brief. I was not disappointed. 😀
Discovered this channel a week ago, and am completely hooked - love it. Ordered the book from Amazon yesterday 👍
I'm here on the recommendation of Sub Brief. I'll be back.
Something I have looked ages for, thank you! Excellent video!
Much needed sub vlog. Came from Sub Brief channel. Like the art work of different models. Thanks
Another very informative video. Thank you for posting
I truely appreciate the effort you put in these Mr. Sutton .شكراً
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@@Tadesan Will make sure to listen to your advice ...thank you
Really cool and in-depth research. Thanks!
Brilliant presentation well done most informative.
A very nice presentation, your content is excellent.
I thought that this was gonna be one of those robot voice videos till i recognized your name from jives mentioning it so often im subbed and have liked this video
Thanks!
That was very informative.
Informative to your credit. I've been following China's rise and the PLA hasn't escaped attention.
I love these videos please make more!!!
Great work
Am glad I found your channel it's great!!!
Just a shout out - have subscribed here on recommendation from Aaron Amick over at Sub Brief. Liking your work already HI.
Considering the amount of boats and capabilities the PLAN has they are definitely a force to be reckon with. Rather curious about the new subs, especially the SSBN. As far as I recall they are the only ones currently developing a new gen (at least the US is not currently thinking about a Ohio-replacement, notwithstanding that it is currently struggling in pumping out as many Virginia-class as they want)
The US as far as I know is already building one Columbia class submarine that they replace the Ohio-class with eventually.
@@neues3691 Oh, missed it then. Good to hear, as the Ohios are not spring chickens anymore
Russia also develops new gen sub - Hasky class which is rumoured to have both attack and ballistic variants
The Brits are building their lead ship of the Dreadnought-class SSBN ( HMS Dreadnought I presume ) , the Americans also are also working on the Columbia-class SSBN , which is said to be heavily based on the British Dreadnought .
By the way , The Chinese are very special in this regard
The Chinese have a tremendously rapid-growing technological base in submarine-related areas ( compared to for example air defense , missile , aviation ( except for combat aviation engines ) , land forces and surface combatants in which the PLA has achieved maturity ) and hence after each series the new achieved technologies vastly date ( or maybe even outdate ) the older , available , currently deployed technologies . Consider that even now they're not fully on par with other nations , especially in nuclear subs . Also the experiences gained , and the mistakes of previous designs considered and the ways and requirements of the future learned , all lead to the development of new generations . Don't get me wrong , some of these technologies may eventually find their way to older hulls in service in modernizations or refits , but mainly the technologies are meant for the future not the past .
Very good channel! I'm glad I found it.
When you have 1M subs, remember me!
Awesome, as usual, keep it up.
Jive sent me :D
Great video, but I sometimes struggle to get the scales of the submarines!
I've heard talk about saillless submarines before and people seem to think they're the future of submarines- what's the benefit of a sailless submarine? Is the sail a weak spot in the pressure vessel?
great job
Fascinating 🖖🏼
AIP subs might be very dangerous in coastal waters, especialy in a potential Taiwan engagement they could really be a threat to supply routes. I wonder if they are as quiet as their western counter parts.
Probably is the answer - even if they are only half as good as swedish there is a big problem there.
Pretty much. At the very least they would make it lethal to sail in Taiwan's west and north coast and the Northern Philippine Islands.
East coast, i.e. the open ocean, they are not as effective. But its enough to support their invasion plan for Taiwan.
@@ricktoconnor Contrary to popular belief China doesn't need to fight USA on open pacific. If blockaded, they would rather have to open a passage through Malacca straight to the Persian gulf and suez canal. If they engaged Americans on deep sea it would likely be in the Indian Ocean.
@@piotrgrzelak2613 there is no way that china can open up the malacca strait in a war with the US lol
@@leojohn1615 There is no way US can set up this blockade in the first place. Surface ships would be btfo by submarines and air power. Your best chance is commerce raiding by the SSNs from only a few possible bases that are vulnerable themselves. The worst thing by far is the long term prospects. It takes American shipyards years to build a sub, and you have serious recruitment issues. It would be catastrophic for US Navy to engage PLAN because they can actually take losses and replace them.
Jive Tur.....I mean Aaron sent me.
Another great video Mr. Sutton.
I have recently started watching your episodes, yet been reading your articles for years. And use them to help me on my drawings. (I like to draw (2D) cutaways in my spare time.) On one of your cutaways, how tall is the deck inside the Scorpène-class/Kalvari-class and A26 submarines? (Pressure Hull is 20ft diameter, which means 1 deck/2 levels. 10ft decks seems a bit large.) Been trying to draw a small diesel-electric/AIP, yet couldn't figure out deck height.
But nonetheless, keep up the outstanding work.
I tend to use a loose orthographic projection to keep vertical straight up (not angled towards the viewer) so the deck spacings get distorted. I draw them by eye.
@@HISuttonCovertShores
Was just curious on what the height would be.
(YGBSM if those are drawn by eye.)
The Song class subs have a more than passing resemblance to the French Agosta class boats. Also, do the Chinese still use the Type 033 class boats for training/inshore patrol?
Very succinct & informative report here! Subscribed tonight(!) I've loved subs ever since I was old enough to read '20,000 Leagues Under The Sea' back in the 1960s. I can see why Sub Brief (Aaron) highly promotes and recommends your articles! Got any rare pics/info about WWII British S and/or T class subs? T boats had an interesting bow shape to them not really copied by any other navies. I think it may have been to accommodate 2 external forward torpedo tubes if memory serves. Was a max bow salvo 6, 8, or 10 tubes on a T? Were they able to enter course data to these 2 tubes, or were they just straight-ahead beefy bow salvos? (Nobody is talkin' much about it even to this day - hush, hush! ;-)
great
You miss out some but nicely done video👍
Did the Qing SSB replace Great Wall 200, for ballistic missile testing purposes, or is 200 still in service?
The concept of a patrol sub is strictly for in-shore use, therefore, only for defensive use. Of course the Chinese have them and we don't.
Great vids!
Very well researched and pleasant program however could you speak more clearly, my hearing is not good and I missed some of your presentation.
sound volume in the video is very low.
Do you have any information on the noise scale of these submarines.
What exactly would be the advantages of a sailess submarine?
I have an answer... ruclips.net/video/qWeg7OCGw4Y/видео.html
Does launching a torpedo give away a sub’s location? Are torpedos noisey? Or is the process of launching loud?
ideally it doesnt matter because target will be destroyed. yes those are noisy and sort of gives away but submarine moves so its not static target and if it turns it narrows down to where ti was but not where it will be in future
Launching from torpedo is stealthier compared to when you launch from VLS and you can move at a faster pace while doing so. That is why Japan skipped on it.
@@miraphycs7377 That's just false. Japan is held back by its occupation constitution drawn up by Douglas McArthur's aides. They were forced to rescind their right to wage war and a range of "offensive" weaponry under an American dictat.
Some submarines, especially diesel electric coastals use "swim-out" electric torpedoes, which don't need a pressurized air "push-out", which is the classic method and yes, it's very loud.
Also, regarding sound of torpedoes, because someone liked my comment and I got reminded about it. Electric motors are quieter, I know earlier Otto-fuel weapons (combustion engine) can be heard by the sound of their engine and not just propeller. In combat its normal that a launched torpedo will only get heard once it approaches the target due to a range of reasons - attacking submarine will try to position itself in a different layer, the dead zone behind the sub not covered by the high performance sonar, etc. But eventually every torpedo will be heard approaching due to the spinning propeller, and towed sonars universally used today.
Can u do something like this on indian navy submarines ?
Who's to say they don't have these new subs?
Satellite reconnaissance
If you start giving the Chinese credit for their innovations and daring experiments, you are going to get a lot of hate.
AIP subs are potent weapons, I can see why China is producing them in numbers.
BOBO ::: AIP sub is no threat. It carries no SLBM, limited range, slow, and can’t remain submerged indefinitely like a nuke sub. And Chinese subs are noisy - easy prey for US Attack subs. When you realize the entire US sub fleet is nuke propulsion, you have to admit you are wrong about AIP.
@@ubermenschen3636 not really. Sure, compared to Western Subs or Korean or Japanese Subs they are noisy but AIP still gives them a lot of capability for staying submerged for a longer time. In the South China Sea, they serve as excellent tools for hunting enemies or for area denial. A sub doesnt have to be nuclear to be effective in a role.
@@ubermenschen3636 For Fraks sake! Do you listen to the channel you are commenting on? ruclips.net/video/c2QS_aEsVuw/видео.html
@@ubermenschen3636 This is from AI Sutton as well ruclips.net/video/zoaYD-SOnHo/видео.html
@@ubermenschen3636 I cant post a link to the new North Korean SSB. Go to CSIC RUclips Video of North Korea's Sinpo Shipyard. High Resolution Images. I cant post this all in one post due to YT rules.
It would be interesting to see a video making the case for and against the US Navy operating non-nuclear attack boats.
Many decades ago, theUS Navy had made the study comparing pro and cons of nuke versus non-nuke sub - apparently, you didn’t get the memo. You can see the conclusion of that study: the entire US sub fleet is nuke.
@@ubermenschen3636 Huh, technology and the global threat environment must have stood still since then.
Unlimited range and speed is why the U.S. Navy chose nuclear over conventional subs and they will keep on doing it even if its costly. Ask why China is making nuclear submarines even if the technology in conventional subs has improved.
@@deltaboy2011 There is a case to be made to use them to defend strategic choke points in littoral sea-lanes where forward basing is possible. I'm not a real advocate either way. I think it would be interesting to hear both arguments given the H I Sutton treatment.
@@ajbridgewater Every country has their own philosophy on what type of subs they want whether conventional or nuclear. For example, Japan only needs conventional subs to defend their homeland close to home and no need for them to go afar.
What are your thoughts on the Connecticut submarine crash?
Perhaps instead of fly by wire it'll be called swim by wire? Lol
What's the difference between a sub sail and a conning tower?
HI SUTTON. I like this channels name. woo wee. never gonna get old.
I would like you to do a kind of US PLA comparison and utility seeing how China is our biggest adversary for the future.
Can you do a piece on the Indian navy if possible? Thanks
Any submarines with a magnetohydrodynamic drive?
With so many ships, it really dilutes the specialized talent pool that is needed to operate them effectively, doesn't it? It also makes maintenance more complicated and expensive.
Not really. All the 039 family subs have very similar internal layout and maintenance requirements (including basically the same diesel engine), the difference being only the AIP and some bits and bobs outside. The 093 and 094 are basically the same ship, with the difference being the SLBM module plopped in the middle. This is also why some 093s have been seen with the Chinese UVLS installed where the SLBM section is found in 094. The one and only Han has only sailed out once in the past three years, and the Mings are mostly just used training recruits. Realistically, China only operates 2 and a half sub classes. The rest are experimentals.
@@andrewsuryali8540 That makes sense. I had heard that their navy was afraid to go out to sea in them and that there was fear in diving them. But I saw a recent video about the geographical constraints that the Chinese navy has. It seems to me that the Chinese have a threefold problem: experience, geography, and partnership. Their navy would be a nuisance in a conflict, but little else.
@@dwilson284 Their NAVY is still the largest in the world and can probably sink every ship entering their control zone BECAUSE of the geographical limitations and sheer number of missiles alone. Their SUB FLEET is almost totally useless. Two different things. The way the geographical wall of allies works is just like any other wall. You can hold the enemy at bay on the other side of that wall as long as you stay on your own side. However, any ally stuck on the other side of the wall is screwed.
@@andrewsuryali8540 The navy would be limited and suffer a high casualty rate very early on in a conflict. Ships are all about controlling a battle space, but artillery from shore does not have the same inventory constraints that ships and aircraft have. Satellite imagery and human intelligence will give plenty of advance warning to limit the navy's mobility with explosive effects. Submarine warfare would probably be the best early-conflict option for China.
@@dwilson284 Not a problem if they have a couple of mln of college students graduating per year in stem major.
X rudders are more for littoral submarines, which China doesn't really operate. But why do you think China wouldn't use pump jets on the 09-V and 09-VI - they have superior acoustic properties to exposed blades and are standard on next generation submarines, which I assume China will try to at least match.
I cover the pros and cons of X-form rudders here ruclips.net/video/qWeg7OCGw4Y/видео.html
Some people said the Russians and the Chinese were about to cooperate on a joint diesel-electric sub , presumably the Amur class ( not sure which variant ) and finally finish this project after more than a decade . Do you have anything solid on it or is it just rumors ? Personally I see it beneficial and logical for both sides but the Russians usually don't seem to think about benefit while pride makes them blind -_-
This also adds new dimensions to their warfare since the Russians actually first implemented VLS on the Amur ( which was said to have AIP ) but was never completed -- and some sources also say the South Koreans received Russian technical support for the integration of VLS on KSS-III ( as once before they helped the Koreans with their KM-SAM air defense systems ) -- and increases the firepowers and options of these navies .
i think amur was sort of export only submarine. one submarine with many sub classes since for domestic use they are making lada class...possibly one class after lada too since lada was not so good apparently and they still use improved kilo anyway.
also with better batteries AIP might soon be obsolete
Biggest advantage of lada/amur is its conformal sonar suite. Why would Russians want to just sell the tech to China, I'm not sure. If they bought several boats, sure. But there's really nothing to cooperate on. Second and third lada boats are being finished after their project changed mid-production. Boats 4 and 5 were ordered, which tells me the r&d is finalized.
And saying that a state or a corporation "is prideful, instead of thinking about profits" is a braindead take. Guarding from industrial espionage is actually crucial in securing export orders.
Loved this! Thank you. Can you cover Japan's 29SS project? Thank you.
Nuclear subs are crazy noisy underwater compared to diesel electric
how come no one calls it a conning tower anymore?
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"The biggest takeaway here"" so sorry, but it made me smile. 😂🤣🇺🇦
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Well done China building more and more powerful Submarine. Built by China. 💪💪👍👍👏👏❤❤💯💯
If China can fit HGV onto their future JL-3 SLBMs, does it mean their 096 SSBNs can operate in a bastion extremely close to shore along any part of the China coast since with HGVs there is no longer a range consideration. Hence no need to breach the first island chain choke points to avoid enemy ASW assets.
That was never a plan to my knowledge. Shallow water like the bohai sea would be a pretty bad place to hide an ssbn. All of the jin class are stationed on Hainan Island and would hang out in relatively deeper south China sea.
The Chinese can design and build ten submarines in the time America wonders if we can still build a submarine.
defend scs from foreign invaders
@8:15 That was a fake photo!
I don't even care about submarines. Correction: I _thought_ that I don't care about submarines until you started speaking.
Слишком много типов. Повторяют ошибки русских.
Why would it be a mistake? Nonsense.
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Wrong map！
I have some bad news.
If your surface fleet can't operate outside the umbrella of your land based missiles,
IT IS NOT A NAVY.
Bring your sailors out to meet us in mid-Pacific.
The sharks are hungry.
Try YJ-21 hyper missile and air-launched DF-17 and then come back to comment in here.
Trust an American nerd to chest thump
Got to love it when some sad nerd who has never served in his miserable life is challenging people to come out and fight
US Navy is on decline both in weaponry and tech.
Their Leadership is more interested in Wokeism than actually warfighting,
中国崛起
80% land fill