Exactly I don’t get the big deal. If he was uncomfortable then peace the fuck out. Maybe he could of done it “nicer” but who cares honestly I don’t blame him
my friends, if you're in a group during hardcore where the hunter "forgets" to turn off pack, you insta-leave. No exceptions. Don't even hesitate. You do not tell him to turn it off, or give him a second chance - you leave. That guy is beyond bad, and Tylers intuition is going ballistic over it. He made a good call. People like that is how high-level groups wipe.
Amen. The fact that soda even asks "how often does that happen". it happens 0 ZERO times that a pack is on an entire fight. Insane that the hunter didnt recognise it until after the fight. beyond bad player
Nah this dungeon was a joke, Tyler can't tank for shit and he was literally shaking in his boots the entire time. He doesn't understand the game and refuses to engage or learn most of the time
I actually like him a LOT more now - that is respectable behaviour to be very clear he ain't about it and dip. Made his case and stuck with it, respect to Tyler really. If they won't respect the hours he's put in, fuck 'em.
@JoeCourage-n3j right? I see a lot of tanks try to wipe the group while trying to escape with their own life because they dont like the group. Tyler said, fuck this, im out. And hearthed. W comms
@@JoeCourage-n3j He should of refused to move on, and hearth out WITH the entire group, not by yourself, but yes I agree, he has every right to leave if not comfortable or confused and feeling like he might die.
hunter brain moments. If you don't feel comfortable in a HC dungeon, especially as a tank - I think it's justified to leave. Especially considering the Europeans were talking trash to Tyler or something (I'm European so I'm not a Europe hater).
yeah, but noone else pointed it out during the fight either, so, pay attention sigh. Its a simple mistake and what do you do when it happens? You tell the hunter to never turn on pack again and u go on with ur life
That was actually the smartest call he could have made. If you have a hunter running aspect of the pack like that on hardcore for that long without realizing, you're likely gonna die to a huntard right before 60, lmao.
Yeah but why blame tactics? That hunter is his friend and he played a lot with him. He played a lot with everyone in that group except tactics which is the only guy that knows his shit in that group.
this is some weird copium, tyler didn't leave because of what the hunter did. Tyler didn't even know what that is or that he even did it. Tyler left because he doesn't understand what's going on even after people were explaining things. All he has to do is just learn wow lingo and his performance in these raids would be much better.
“was tactics not explaining well?” none of you, soda included, are good at explaining stuff. it is actually painful as a viewer to sit here and imagine im a new player trying to decipher the zoomer bull that cones out of your mouths. its so bad. take an online course or something.
You are in HC, you have a tank... you don't trust the tank? You leave. You don't belittle the tank (even if the is a streamer), especially if the tank is new. You either help him and calm the situation down, or you leave. If a hunter (or any DPS class) does stupid shit, you leave. If the healer seems insecure, you build them up, or you leave. It's not that hard, if you feel a situation is sus, you heart out. If people invite you out of the blue, you don't accept it, as it can cause layering. You don't go with no bandages, no pots.. A HS with a long CD. Tyler did the correct thing, and I don't really like the guy.
Especially in hardcore, I don't understand this weird mentality where they are expected to commit to things they're not comfortable with and lose weeks of progress. I like Tyler but I am very critical and aware of how delusional and stubborn he can often be about learning new things. In this case he feels something's not right, so it's better to call it quits and potentially try again later under better circumstances. Don't like him? Don't do dungeons with him then, yknow?
yeah and it didnt help they were annoying EU guys who think they are better than anyone from NA even though their countries are literally muslim ran slums
"I've never seen any of this in my life, and I can't limit test because I die if it goes wrong!" Yeah, that's why you PREPARE! This is why Soda initially said T1 isn't putting in effort. Not because he's not trying and playing, he's clearly putting in time, but because he is repeatedly winding up in clips on youtube with OF members dying and using the same excuse of "I didn't know!"
Yeah idk why Tyler got butthurt and felt “disrespected”. There’s a difference between just putting time day after day and actually looking up videos, guides etc.
You don't need to watch videos for these dungeons... Why are people exaggerating so much it's not hard even if you don't know things. Specially if you have people in your group that already are supposed to have experience in the game.
The group is fine but I think Tyler should have the shaman he completed Sunken Temple with there, Hot-something. He explaiend things very well so that Tyler understood, and hes good at the game, and he instantly called out stuff like Gera not taking pack off. The shaman he had was the kind of dude to actually do research beforehand.
All this ultra wow nerds just try to explain every little detail, that to be honest dont matter, just tell tyler, move there and turn the boss thats it. simple instructions is key. Tyler dungoens with pilav, tyler was focus af because pilav didnt explain shti and tyler just had to keep up, sometimes pilav would give 1 tip and tyler would learn slowly
Rare Tyler W. If you're not comfortable with a group on hardcore, just leave the dungeon between fights. Sometimes team members just don't gell well, and that can be fatal.
T1 was convinced tactics was on his 2nd monitor doing something else the whole dungeon. Whether or not that’s true idk but that was the real reason why he left.
Good call leaving. Aspect of the pack on hardcore is insanely bad. Tactics wasn't explaining in a way that someone without WoW knowledge would know. He's probably just too used to playing with players who know more. People new to WoW are actually very rare in game.
I am playing on a private server (started vanilla then we moved to BC), and I got 3 mates who are new to the game. Everything we know because we spent years doing it, is suddenly new to them. Its insane and makes me relieve how to be a raid leader or a class leader back in the day, when we were raiding.
For what it's worth I've actually been encountering a TON of new players, even in hardcore. I think OnlyFangs 2 is attracting a lot of interest. Of course, only an anecdote.
He explained good like 90%, but his tone, him stumbling with his words and being slow with the responses made Tyler1 bail the fuck out. The vibes were off lmao.
Here's the thing with some of the sweats vs new players. The Sweats expect new players to know things like Pack or any other class skills. Unfortunately the whole time I saw that pack was on I literally yelled "Turn that shit off" and when he said he is out of that shit I do not blame him. Sweats know mechanics but still act like they don't because they go on Auto pilot while the new players are locked in. I don't like T1 but I do not blame him for not wanting to lose his character to stupid shit.
It's not about if they could have continued and finished the dungeon or not. T1 was getting bad vibes from the group the entire dungeon. Good call leaving imo.
Dude was being toxic to Emilya before anything even started. If you don't trust a healer don't even do it with them. Why start? Dudes a joke and crying about having 50% health
i think soda miss all the explanation tyler gives about how everyone in the group was doing something else but playing the game, they were constantly alt tabbing watching grubby doing a dungeon but not focusing up, so he leaves, and i mean its a completely valid reason to leave the group tbh
as hunter main. i get triggered watching that fight... If i had such shit team mate and i was in hardcore. i would leave as well. Don't care what others say or they would talk shit on me. All in all he had only one death in whole time so good call by hem leaving
@@abhiignitor007 it's a ff14 player, I know plenty of ff14 players who got into wow and instantly started sweating their @ off reading every single guide getting a gazillion addons, etc.
Even with salv there is a threat ceiling, the tank can just use more tanky gear. Defensive stance giving more threat does a lot though, especially when talented.
tyler thought he would pull just 1 mob. miscommunication. when the entire pack of 10 enemies pulled he got scared shitless. And he was confused why they were even fighting them (when last time "you told me they are giga scary and we mustn't aggro any of them!!")
Its really funny how hunter is the “easy” class yet it and warlock have the lowest amounts reaching 60 Death by huntard is way to common “Oopsie left pack on” “Uh oh didn’t dismiss my pet while jumping down”
Hunter is the easiest class to level in normal Classic, but not in HC. It's about middle on the list of classes. All it takes is one FD resist for everything to end.
I mean i respect tylers call, people laughing and doing dumb shit that honestly looks on purpose, purposly trolling him and messing with him, i would leave much sooner.
Imho it's pretty blatant what we were hearing from 00:55 - 1:20 is what made him quit out, the gameplay is secondary to the trolling that was happening in the voice chat lol
100% that was too far and he couldn't trust those guys at that point. Europeans are already sometimes annoying to play with. They have culturally different manners.
I actually agree with tyler here, not worth the risk, geranimo has no clue how to play hunter and freezes in times of need. and if he dont trust more players its not worth risking it. I hate how geranimo pretends to be more knowledgeable than tyler f example. after seeing how tyler utilizes hes kit, tyler is a better wow player than geranimo clicking and having the very worst keybinds and movement.
I don't understand why they don't bring another warrior that knows what they are doing, to take over tanking if Tyler gets overwhelmed. They still are talking to him as if he knows WoW. I 100% understand why Tyler was getting frustrated with the EU accents. Wake seems to know what he is doing, is good at explaining things, and would probably be willing to run dungeons, and teach him. Soniidigital as well.
Europeans getting butthurt about their accents being made fun of (they do it to others all the time) then knee jerk saying something racist in front of thousands of people is the most eu thing ever
If Tyler was put into molten core offtanking and main tanking rag right this second i bet it wouldnt be smooth run like with mizkif it was lol. Miz still trash though
Aspect on the whole pull, while people are NONSTOP spouting useless information. its like when you play pubg and theres one guy who just SCREAMS HES THERE LEFT RIGHT BEHIND.and you just wana yell at him to shut up because i cant hear anything. giga bad group
Wow is ruined for new or returning players. A lot of players have played dungeons over a 1000 times and have no empathy for new players. Plus tactics is a racist.
It seems crazy to me that people are willing to accept Tyler 1, not researching dungens and watching videos, yet every single person who raids in wow is EXPECTED to do this. Tyler 1 does need to do more, especially when it comes to tanking. First time in wow and tanking? That's a big job. Edit: Generally in wow, if you play a tank, and you don't know the fights. Unfamiliar with threat and protecting your party members when they get aggro and how to handle it, Constantly asking what to do or what the boss's do for each fight/Asking the raid leader to spoon feed you how to play your class as well as boss mechanics will get you uninvited or removed from a group. People don't invite unexperienced tanks. You're allowed to be new but 50-60 dungens + raids. Going into these areas hardcore new fresh not knowing anything like this.. playing like this.. You will get so many people killed dude. Small changes bro that's all it is.
Yeah, if you join a raid as a tank then let slip you dont have threat meter and click your abilities... You're gonna get kicked in 2 sec like the troll griefer yoh are lol.
Probably because a lot of players despise that this is expected. Idk Tyler 1, and sure as hell don’t know a lot about what he’s been doing, but I do know that one of the BIGGEST flaws in the WoW community (one of the most toxic in gaming) is the expectation that you’ll minmax dungeons. Screw that. Just log on and play.
@@Syntarino one is talking about min maxing (even though its a whole different story in HC then normal, HC doesn’t treat slight fuck ups like normal, because its perma death lol) But him wanting to Tank, which is such an important role, but refuses to listen to vets, asking any questions like “what does Pack even mean” or “what the F is Banish” and on top of that refusing to take like 10min to look up some basic stuff online is just stupid. Especially when he starts crying that someone is “risking his character” when he basically does the same shit every time
@@dr.dudemeister7013 This is the true criticism, you're 100% right. If you don't know, ask. It's literally one of the BEST parts of MMOs, is puzzling things together with your group. Again, I don't know the story behind Tyler or his group or anything, but to expect someone to put in research outside of the game is ridiculous. Hell no. What people in the group should expect though, is for questions to be asked if you are confused. If he doesn't do that, it's on him, not on a lack of research.
Good call tyler, he's got real gamer instincts. Doesn't even need to have full game knowledge to realize idiot hunters are a cancer sore & a liability.
@@gxmody1100 one of those hunters had aspect of the pack on the whole run. Doesn’t matter who the noobie thought was the problem. Its clear the hunters were a trouble.
@ that hunter had nothing to do with tactics tho? Why flame someone for someone else’s mistake? Doesn’t make any fucking sense, especially if the person that made the mistake was your friend that you played a lot with.
Based. Don't let classic elitists who can't lead/coach and still put you down while they fail treat you like that ever. When a group of players are poorly explaining themselves, clearly misplaying, and being rude to you, just leave IMMEDIATELY.
You have to understand, especially as a new WoW player. Getting dazed is almost always synonymous with almost losing your character, especially in hardcore Having aspect on isn’t just bad for the group and causes mental issues like that but you don’t have a dps aspect on. That’s next level brain worms
Tactics didn’t explain anything, I watched the video. He says go here, pull this. But never say why how and where. And when Tyler ask what to do, there is delay before tatics says anything wich make Tyler not trust him.
In hardcore if you feel sketch in a dungeon dip. Not worth dying and losing your character at or near 60 cuz other players dont know what they are doing. If it was normal classic sure tyler would be a bitch but not in HC.
The thing is, Tyler wants his groups to be COMPLETELY locked in.... which is good! the problem is these wow players with their adhd brains just cant do that. i dont blame tyler one bit. if you arent 100% locked in, dont group with him. you can tell the ones who dont take it seriously.
watchign tactics explain things to poke on their first speedrun, i can tell this guy's never had to work with noobs or children. he explains things correctly but absolutely zero laymans terms.
Yeah seems like a case of Tyler playing with 4 people that knows the game well. The 4 others are talking and using lingo that Tyler doesn't understand. Tyler went into this dungeon blind, he doesn't know what's dangerous or not and the other people are just going through the motions without explaining things properly. Tyler one gradually gets more stressed and finally nopes the fuck out. Some blame is on Tyler though, its about time he does some research about how the game works and the dungeons themselves before venturing there. WoW was not designed with HC in mind so it's not something you should go in completely blind to begin with.
Honestly running brd as a completely new player with other completely new players and tactics explaining is sketch af, yamato getonimo are shit and emilia has not seen the content too and in brd health can fking get nuked unlike the other dungeons.. if you feel uncomfortable just leave thats a W
I see T1's POV though, he's NEW to this all. Losing his life means losing WEEKS of progress, and T1 doesn't want to do that again. I get it. They also spent 20-30 ish insulting him, so I'd have left too tbh.
T1 is smart enough to see when he is getting carried. Once he sees people are not good like hunter he bails. Listen its Hardcore, cant blame the guy tbh.
T1 got more game knowledge than 10+ yr wow vets crazy XD if they were struggling that hard on spectators they would have wiped to the trash pulls with the fire elementals that spit out 800-1000 damage
For those of you who think tyler1 was overreacting, if you know BRD just think about how bad it is now and think about what’s waiting for them later on. It’s a good call.
You don't go berserker stance on a regular basis, what are you talking about. this is not how fury prot works. you start in battle stance and you pull, charge or throwing weapon and pull back. you can start with berserker rage for bonus rage generation, but this is min-max. you bloodrage in battle stance. ressource generation provides aggro infight. it counts for rage. when mobs are near, with the rage from bloodrage you thunderclap, change into def stance, demo shout. application of debuffs is threat. so you made threat off of thunderclap (dmg + debuff) and demo shout. now or beforehand you can start an oil of immolation which is aoe fire dmg, rage potion which gives aoe threat because of ressource generation and you throw an iron granade (fire dmg and stun). you que cleave or heroic strike, tab another mob to bloodthirst, as soon as revange procs off of you dodging or parrying you tab and get the next mob a revenge. now your threat plates/tiny threat whatever you have and your threat addon basically guide you. if a mob turns from green to red (you lost aggro) you taunt. if you lose from all, aoe taunt. if you lose two, one taunt, other bloodthirst and revange. you change into battle stance for a thunderclap and back into def stance. using berserker stance is degenerate and dumb. in def stance you have an additional threat multiplicator. so every action you do in def stance gives you bonus threat. people who think switching to berserk for a whirlwind is smart forgett, that you dump potentially rage above your 25 that you can safe, you take 10% additional dmg and every other skill that you use in the meantime while you switch and whrilwind does normal threat levels so no defensive stance additional threat. people forgett that it is not just the raw dmg that holds the threat, it is the 45% bonus threat that you do in defensive stance. you want every damn bloodthirst and every cleave/heroic strike to be landet in def stance and revenge is arguably your best threat tool (threat per rage king). because you are using two weapons and you tank multiple mobs and getting parry aswell as parry haste, you are attacking often. your main focus is to tab through mobs and specifically select mobs that turn yellow/red that your threat addon tells you and hit these mobs specifically with the next upcoming threat generating ability. in my opinion only noobs go into berserker stance. it is lazy. it is conveniant that you dont have to target the right mobs for it. the threat is not particullarly high, you can't choose the targets and if themob count exceeds 4 it gives a dangerous sense of security that you are doing something for aoe threat. soda....you can ban the tanks from going into berserker stance except for min max for the pull for berserker rage or to get bererker rage if an fear is incoming, but letting these noobs go into berserker stnace just for whrilwind or pushing some dmg when they are assigned tanks is too risky
Nah if your a new player and you don't feel like you understand wtf is going on just stop and ask what's going on but if no one is explaining it so you can actually understand what's going on bail. And honestly these guys made everything seem so chill even tho Tyler is not used to getting to half hp. Also when he used retal and dummy no one said anything like "bro your fine heal is coming" or anything like that. You SHOULD reassure your group that heals are coming, pull is fine, keep going. New player or not that was the right call to dip either way. People need to calm down about Tyler being "bad". He is not bad compared to the average player now and is 10x times better taen pretty much any new player. He is learning fast and going good. Only because he doesn't move and doesn't have the knowledge like a 10+ years player that has never touched a Woman doesn't mean he is bad. The only thing that will result in everyone bitching about him is that he will probably quit when he dies. I wouldn't want to play either if the community is shitting on me and the guild leader is talking publicy shit about me. Sure he apologized (not even to Tyler personally but to stream lol) but how about you call him and explain instead of acting like a dipshit and acting all smart only because you played the game since you were born.
Tact just explains such minute stuff Tyler just wants to be told what to do he doesn’t care what pack is if it’s not regarding his character just tell him what to do but tact isn’t a leader
yeah he is too new to know all the abilities each character has and does but surprises me that these people didnt say shit about the aspect, i would instantly say turn that off or im kicking and search for a new one
Not saying Tyler was at fault here, but someone really needs to tell him to switch to defensive stance for threat and reduced damage since he’s 2her tanking. Not only would that help his aggro, but it’d take away some of the stress of taking lots of damage. And if he really is that easily spooked, someone should also tell him to use a 1her and shield.
He’s one of the biggest streamers doing this. His chat is filled with morons usually but their shit advice is wrong like 90% of the time. Of course he’s just ignoring them now
I understand what he means but that fight wasn't even a close call...I think he's just tired of this game who obviously doesn't like beyond beating the challenge
Having to hand hold a tank through hardcore dungeons is crazy. That being said if you are letting a new player tank your dungeons, you know what you are getting into.
Here is the problem with T1 always getting saved or carried and backseated by guildies and chat: He does not learn the game appropriately. This is no hate but at 57 you can not make an excuse anymore not to know obvious things, you are about to hit endgame and if you still don't know your class or what other classes can do for you. Dying is all but inevitable. The exact opposite is Emilya or Grubby who had no idea about wow and now play the game and their class way better. They also don't know everything but I see that their struggle made them better players. Also dumbass comments blaming Geranimoo: That hunter is Tylers dungeon pet, he goes into every dungeon with him. He got annoyed with Tactics who treated him how the majority would treat a player that reached 57 "by themselves"
if they will ever complain about loot drama tell them how raiding with asmon did look like so they can actually understand that raididng with you soda is mild and generous
@@rwexhd4660 You sure? Cuz T1 said he was leaving once he said “just eat your bananas”. Speaks to his EU audience when he can say shit like that live with his chest out
I’ve been playing hardcore for a couple weeks, if I’ve learned anything it’s that if you think something feels sketchy, trust your gut.
Exactly I don’t get the big deal. If he was uncomfortable then peace the fuck out. Maybe he could of done it “nicer” but who cares honestly I don’t blame him
my friends, if you're in a group during hardcore where the hunter "forgets" to turn off pack, you insta-leave. No exceptions. Don't even hesitate. You do not tell him to turn it off, or give him a second chance - you leave.
That guy is beyond bad, and Tylers intuition is going ballistic over it. He made a good call. People like that is how high-level groups wipe.
True, good call to leave
Amen. The fact that soda even asks "how often does that happen". it happens 0 ZERO times that a pack is on an entire fight. Insane that the hunter didnt recognise it until after the fight. beyond bad player
@@TNTspaz"if you're actually good you'll have something else do it for you." Bro what😂
@@JACpotatosWoW brain. Don't expect those people to be smart or understand their own words.
Nah this dungeon was a joke, Tyler can't tank for shit and he was literally shaking in his boots the entire time. He doesn't understand the game and refuses to engage or learn most of the time
It's really simple, if you're not comfortable then bail. You can't lose a 58 through ego.
BASED not dying > being nice
I actually like him a LOT more now - that is respectable behaviour to be very clear he ain't about it and dip. Made his case and stuck with it, respect to Tyler really. If they won't respect the hours he's put in, fuck 'em.
@JoeCourage-n3j right? I see a lot of tanks try to wipe the group while trying to escape with their own life because they dont like the group. Tyler said, fuck this, im out. And hearthed. W comms
@@JoeCourage-n3j He should of refused to move on, and hearth out WITH the entire group, not by yourself, but yes I agree, he has every right to leave if not comfortable or confused and feeling like he might die.
a hunter keeping aspect on during a fight in a hc dungeon... yea id leave directly after aswell. pay attention sigh
hunter brain moments. If you don't feel comfortable in a HC dungeon, especially as a tank - I think it's justified to leave. Especially considering the Europeans were talking trash to Tyler or something (I'm European so I'm not a Europe hater).
yeah only if t1 knew what aspect was lol but yeah id leave tooyeah only if he knew what aspect was lol but yeah id leave too
yeah, but noone else pointed it out during the fight either, so, pay attention sigh. Its a simple mistake and what do you do when it happens? You tell the hunter to never turn on pack again and u go on with ur life
Anyone could have right clicked aspect buff to remove.
@@bobcat3842 It's an aura, the caster has to turn it off
That was actually the smartest call he could have made. If you have a hunter running aspect of the pack like that on hardcore for that long without realizing, you're likely gonna die to a huntard right before 60, lmao.
Yeah but why blame tactics? That hunter is his friend and he played a lot with him. He played a lot with everyone in that group except tactics which is the only guy that knows his shit in that group.
it was only for 1 pull
this is some weird copium, tyler didn't leave because of what the hunter did. Tyler didn't even know what that is or that he even did it. Tyler left because he doesn't understand what's going on even after people were explaining things. All he has to do is just learn wow lingo and his performance in these raids would be much better.
@@michaelbreaux-tj6mxthese are dungeons lil bro. Just put the fries in the bag
@@AJD-od9nq i don't understand the lingo, what does fries in the bag mean
Love how he started to type /deafen XD
Bro is fully addicted by lol
the fucking reflex of doing something that screams "fuck you team" and going straight to deafen, i laughed for 5 minutes straight xdd
“was tactics not explaining well?” none of you, soda included, are good at explaining stuff. it is actually painful as a viewer to sit here and imagine im a new player trying to decipher the zoomer bull that cones out of your mouths. its so bad. take an online course or something.
true.. they all suck... they played this game so long.. that they think its common sense..... only in wow
You are in HC, you have a tank... you don't trust the tank? You leave.
You don't belittle the tank (even if the is a streamer), especially if the tank is new. You either help him and calm the situation down, or you leave.
If a hunter (or any DPS class) does stupid shit, you leave. If the healer seems insecure, you build them up, or you leave.
It's not that hard, if you feel a situation is sus, you heart out. If people invite you out of the blue, you don't accept it, as it can cause layering. You don't go with no bandages, no pots.. A HS with a long CD.
Tyler did the correct thing, and I don't really like the guy.
Actually this is true
Especially in hardcore, I don't understand this weird mentality where they are expected to commit to things they're not comfortable with and lose weeks of progress. I like Tyler but I am very critical and aware of how delusional and stubborn he can often be about learning new things. In this case he feels something's not right, so it's better to call it quits and potentially try again later under better circumstances. Don't like him? Don't do dungeons with him then, yknow?
I like how you start off saying you don't belittle the tank when that's exactly what tyler was doing to their tank lmao
yeah and it didnt help they were annoying EU guys who think they are better than anyone from NA even though their countries are literally muslim ran slums
@@thedoctorofallmen somebody was feeling a bit racist today huh
I think T1 has reached the point in his WoW career where he needs to start watching videos before going into dungeons.
"I've never seen any of this in my life, and I can't limit test because I die if it goes wrong!"
Yeah, that's why you PREPARE! This is why Soda initially said T1 isn't putting in effort. Not because he's not trying and playing, he's clearly putting in time, but because he is repeatedly winding up in clips on youtube with OF members dying and using the same excuse of "I didn't know!"
Yeah idk why Tyler got butthurt and felt “disrespected”. There’s a difference between just putting time day after day and actually looking up videos, guides etc.
You don't need to watch videos for these dungeons... Why are people exaggerating so much it's not hard even if you don't know things. Specially if you have people in your group that already are supposed to have experience in the game.
lol you see commenting to your own
@@deanodynamo He didn't say effort. He said he is not trying to learn.
They are called Huntards for a reason
its too easy to level hunters - the skill filter of reaching 60 doesnt work
The amount of times I see hunters die with their pet on passive at full HP in HC is insane
The group is fine but I think Tyler should have the shaman he completed Sunken Temple with there, Hot-something. He explaiend things very well so that Tyler understood, and hes good at the game, and he instantly called out stuff like Gera not taking pack off. The shaman he had was the kind of dude to actually do research beforehand.
He was the best leader for tyler imo, he was saying stuff like my research indicates lmao
Yeah hot was a top g
@@faza3798lmao a tru sweat
All this ultra wow nerds just try to explain every little detail, that to be honest dont matter, just tell tyler, move there and turn the boss thats it. simple instructions is key. Tyler dungoens with pilav, tyler was focus af because pilav didnt explain shti and tyler just had to keep up, sometimes pilav would give 1 tip and tyler would learn slowly
@@wolololer You can't do that in higher levels though, you'll easily whipe a whole group.
Rare Tyler W. If you're not comfortable with a group on hardcore, just leave the dungeon between fights. Sometimes team members just don't gell well, and that can be fatal.
Your first character should not be a tank. Especially in hardcore.
Your first should not be on hardcore
@@florenskoschinski2862 truth
My very first wow experience was a hardcore mage and I raided, cleared MC. Just don't be bad
@@machiekright so - not a tank. Did you think you said something?
I'm obviously responding to the comment saying "your first shouldn't be on hardcore" it can and I think it should.
T1 was convinced tactics was on his 2nd monitor doing something else the whole dungeon. Whether or not that’s true idk but that was the real reason why he left.
Good call leaving. Aspect of the pack on hardcore is insanely bad. Tactics wasn't explaining in a way that someone without WoW knowledge would know. He's probably just too used to playing with players who know more. People new to WoW are actually very rare in game.
I am playing on a private server (started vanilla then we moved to BC), and I got 3 mates who are new to the game. Everything we know because we spent years doing it, is suddenly new to them. Its insane and makes me relieve how to be a raid leader or a class leader back in the day, when we were raiding.
For what it's worth I've actually been encountering a TON of new players, even in hardcore. I think OnlyFangs 2 is attracting a lot of interest. Of course, only an anecdote.
Good for Tyler. That was a scrub group.
How? He relies on group teaching him and you call them scrubs? He can prepare himself no?
Isn’t this the same group he’s played with in every other dungeon? Besides tactics
@@seriouSamx that's also what I was thinking.. I guess they changed vibes.
@@seriouSamxyeah, same group. Tyler fanboys are just braindead from league.
In an alternate universe, he kept going and died.
Like that warrior in Grubby's ZF
What's the argument.
Tactics couldnt even explain pack correctly so obviously he was not explaining it well
He explained good like 90%, but his tone, him stumbling with his words and being slow with the responses made Tyler1 bail the fuck out. The vibes were off lmao.
the only real problem t1 had with him is that he was answering with delay, everything else just added up
He’s so close too 60 as well playing it safe
How many did he kill with his knowledge gap so far? At least 3
@@mowthelawn5596Hes pretty upfront about being new new to the game. They make the choice to group with him
Its pve
Not knowing a dungeon that close to lvl 60 can be scary
i play hunter for years and how you not notice aspect of the pack holy moly man. Good example of a "Huntard"
that eat a banana was unhinged af lol his racism is showing
Here's the thing with some of the sweats vs new players. The Sweats expect new players to know things like Pack or any other class skills. Unfortunately the whole time I saw that pack was on I literally yelled "Turn that shit off" and when he said he is out of that shit I do not blame him. Sweats know mechanics but still act like they don't because they go on Auto pilot while the new players are locked in. I don't like T1 but I do not blame him for not wanting to lose his character to stupid shit.
I agree with T1, who wants to listen to Yamdef's constant complaining and shitty attitude..
they are literaly friends and have been playing together most of the time, kamala suporter liberal roleplayers wouldent understand it
I mean. I would have left the second dude told me to eat a banana...
It's not about if they could have continued and finished the dungeon or not. T1 was getting bad vibes from the group the entire dungeon. Good call leaving imo.
Dude was being toxic to Emilya before anything even started. If you don't trust a healer don't even do it with them. Why start? Dudes a joke and crying about having 50% health
@@WesterlyToast how was he being toxic to Emilya? Compared to the others. Lol.
i think soda miss all the explanation tyler gives about how everyone in the group was doing something else but playing the game, they were constantly alt tabbing watching grubby doing a dungeon but not focusing up, so he leaves, and i mean its a completely valid reason to leave the group tbh
the dude telling him to clear his ears is so annoying
It's hardcore. If you F up once, Its game over.. If somethings feels bad or sketchy, don't do it.
as hunter main. i get triggered watching that fight... If i had such shit team mate and i was in hardcore. i would leave as well. Don't care what others say or they would talk shit on me. All in all he had only one death in whole time so good call by hem leaving
If he knew what pack was, he would have instantly left anyways. Any reasonable player would, especially on HC that’s so troll
I mean no matter who or what if you don’t feel confident and comfortable in a dungeon or the vibes are off just leave
7:01 BOYS
7:23 longer
why is this clickbait channel coming up in my feed - easy block
I think the best thing he can do is run another warrior as an alt and just do practice limit testing as a table RFC, WC, SFK
I'm amazed that Emilya has caught up with Tyler again. Insane power leveling.
She's the real one. T is a baby ❄️
She said she was a newbie yet she plays like a friggin sweat with almost all of the wow knowledge, wonder if its emilya or Elijah
@@abhiignitor007 it's a ff14 player, I know plenty of ff14 players who got into wow and instantly started sweating their @ off reading every single guide getting a gazillion addons, etc.
@@abhiignitor007 Ye the mask is starting to slip, unless she is a NEET and spends crazy time offstream grinding
Its not hard to catch up to tyler when he spend the whole time killing green mobs and doing low level quests, emilya have more balls than tyler lmao
14:00
No pally = no salv = Tank's dps is the dps ceiling.
Even with salv there is a threat ceiling, the tank can just use more tanky gear. Defensive stance giving more threat does a lot though, especially when talented.
tyler thought he would pull just 1 mob. miscommunication. when the entire pack of 10 enemies pulled he got scared shitless. And he was confused why they were even fighting them (when last time "you told me they are giga scary and we mustn't aggro any of them!!")
Geronimoh dosent understand. The guy has left pack on 70+ times lol
BRD is the sort of dungeon that I don't judge if someone bails on if it's looking sus. Especially if you don't think you can carry or escape a mistake
He might not have been able to explain it. But he knew something was definitely wrong
Its really funny how hunter is the “easy” class yet it and warlock have the lowest amounts reaching 60
Death by huntard is way to common
“Oopsie left pack on”
“Uh oh didn’t dismiss my pet while jumping down”
Hunter is the easiest class to level in normal Classic, but not in HC. It's about middle on the list of classes. All it takes is one FD resist for everything to end.
@@jamesg9468 there is no way you actually believe this
in HC mode you hearth when things dont feel right
I mean i respect tylers call, people laughing and doing dumb shit that honestly looks on purpose, purposly trolling him and messing with him, i would leave much sooner.
If you watch more of the Dungeon there was a lot of minor miscommunications and distractions. It just reached a boiling point for him
Imho it's pretty blatant what we were hearing from 00:55 - 1:20 is what made him quit out, the gameplay is secondary to the trolling that was happening in the voice chat lol
if that´s what happened it´s all fine. dude dishes out nonstop should be able to take a little bit during stress.
100% that was too far and he couldn't trust those guys at that point. Europeans are already sometimes annoying to play with. They have culturally different manners.
@@jackmiddleton2080 The Saying something racist - “I was trolling” combo is an EU classic
Based Tyler1
I actually agree with tyler here, not worth the risk, geranimo has no clue how to play hunter and freezes in times of need. and if he dont trust more players its not worth risking it. I hate how geranimo pretends to be more knowledgeable than tyler f example. after seeing how tyler utilizes hes kit, tyler is a better wow player than geranimo clicking and having the very worst keybinds and movement.
geranimo was bad in league and now he is bad in WoW that guy peaked in his gaming capabilites years ago
I don't understand why they don't bring another warrior that knows what they are doing, to take over tanking if Tyler gets overwhelmed. They still are talking to him as if he knows WoW. I 100% understand why Tyler was getting frustrated with the EU accents.
Wake seems to know what he is doing, is good at explaining things, and would probably be willing to run dungeons, and teach him. Soniidigital as well.
He hates European accents lmao
Who cares it sounds stupid
@@omensoffate ???
Justified.
Europeans getting butthurt about their accents being made fun of (they do it to others all the time) then knee jerk saying something racist in front of thousands of people is the most eu thing ever
Tyler1 is still better at tanking than mizkif
If Tyler was put into molten core offtanking and main tanking rag right this second i bet it wouldnt be smooth run like with mizkif it was lol. Miz still trash though
Also soda is not right getting used to being low hp, ubrs oneshots you from 70-80
Can't blame him, I wouldn't want to be grouped with EU players either. lol
This is real
An EU league player worst of all. He fit so much berating and a bonus racist comment in a 30 second span of time.
Aspect on the whole pull, while people are NONSTOP spouting useless information. its like when you play pubg and theres one guy who just SCREAMS HES THERE LEFT RIGHT BEHIND.and you just wana yell at him to shut up because i cant hear anything. giga bad group
I am afraid of heights. That damn chain still sets off the very unpleasant fear of falling...in a video game. Yea, I know how it sounds. 🙄
Everyone was distracted and taking forever to respond and they were having side discussions in chat
Wow is ruined for new or returning players. A lot of players have played dungeons over a 1000 times and have no empathy for new players. Plus tactics is a racist.
It seems crazy to me that people are willing to accept Tyler 1, not researching dungens and watching videos, yet every single person who raids in wow is EXPECTED to do this. Tyler 1 does need to do more, especially when it comes to tanking. First time in wow and tanking? That's a big job.
Edit: Generally in wow, if you play a tank, and you don't know the fights. Unfamiliar with threat and protecting your party members when they get aggro and how to handle it, Constantly asking what to do or what the boss's do for each fight/Asking the raid leader to spoon feed you how to play your class as well as boss mechanics will get you uninvited or removed from a group. People don't invite unexperienced tanks. You're allowed to be new but 50-60 dungens + raids. Going into these areas hardcore new fresh not knowing anything like this.. playing like this.. You will get so many people killed dude. Small changes bro that's all it is.
Yeah, if you join a raid as a tank then let slip you dont have threat meter and click your abilities... You're gonna get kicked in 2 sec like the troll griefer yoh are lol.
Probably because a lot of players despise that this is expected.
Idk Tyler 1, and sure as hell don’t know a lot about what he’s been doing, but I do know that one of the BIGGEST flaws in the WoW community (one of the most toxic in gaming) is the expectation that you’ll minmax dungeons. Screw that. Just log on and play.
@@Syntarino one is talking about min maxing (even though its a whole different story in HC then normal, HC doesn’t treat slight fuck ups like normal, because its perma death lol)
But him wanting to Tank, which is such an important role, but refuses to listen to vets, asking any questions like “what does Pack even mean” or “what the F is Banish” and on top of that refusing to take like 10min to look up some basic stuff online is just stupid. Especially when he starts crying that someone is “risking his character” when he basically does the same shit every time
games been out for 20 years
@@dr.dudemeister7013 This is the true criticism, you're 100% right. If you don't know, ask. It's literally one of the BEST parts of MMOs, is puzzling things together with your group.
Again, I don't know the story behind Tyler or his group or anything, but to expect someone to put in research outside of the game is ridiculous. Hell no.
What people in the group should expect though, is for questions to be asked if you are confused. If he doesn't do that, it's on him, not on a lack of research.
He didn’t know what aspect of the pack was ?
Good call tyler, he's got real gamer instincts. Doesn't even need to have full game knowledge to realize idiot hunters are a cancer sore & a liability.
He didn’t blame the hunter, he blamed tactics which is the rogue. He knows the hunter and plays a lot with him.
@@gxmody1100 the rogue isn't tactics, thats yamato
@ yeah I meant the shaman sorry
@@gxmody1100 one of those hunters had aspect of the pack on the whole run. Doesn’t matter who the noobie thought was the problem. Its clear the hunters were a trouble.
@ that hunter had nothing to do with tactics tho? Why flame someone for someone else’s mistake? Doesn’t make any fucking sense, especially if the person that made the mistake was your friend that you played a lot with.
Based. Don't let classic elitists who can't lead/coach and still put you down while they fail treat you like that ever. When a group of players are poorly explaining themselves, clearly misplaying, and being rude to you, just leave IMMEDIATELY.
I don't blame him dude.
You have to understand, especially as a new WoW player. Getting dazed is almost always synonymous with almost losing your character, especially in hardcore
Having aspect on isn’t just bad for the group and causes mental issues like that but you don’t have a dps aspect on. That’s next level brain worms
T1 in MC would be cool. I think he dies on Baron Geddon though. Better stock up on fire protections and e'kos!
Tactics didn’t explain anything, I watched the video. He says go here, pull this. But never say why how and where. And when Tyler ask what to do, there is delay before tatics says anything wich make Tyler not trust him.
Yamato being overtly racist/generally nasty doesn't help at all.
In hardcore if you feel sketch in a dungeon dip. Not worth dying and losing your character at or near 60 cuz other players dont know what they are doing. If it was normal classic sure tyler would be a bitch but not in HC.
The thing is, Tyler wants his groups to be COMPLETELY locked in.... which is good! the problem is these wow players with their adhd brains just cant do that. i dont blame tyler one bit. if you arent 100% locked in, dont group with him. you can tell the ones who dont take it seriously.
watchign tactics explain things to poke on their first speedrun, i can tell this guy's never had to work with noobs or children. he explains things correctly but absolutely zero laymans terms.
Yeah seems like a case of Tyler playing with 4 people that knows the game well. The 4 others are talking and using lingo that Tyler doesn't understand. Tyler went into this dungeon blind, he doesn't know what's dangerous or not and the other people are just going through the motions without explaining things properly. Tyler one gradually gets more stressed and finally nopes the fuck out.
Some blame is on Tyler though, its about time he does some research about how the game works and the dungeons themselves before venturing there. WoW was not designed with HC in mind so it's not something you should go in completely blind to begin with.
LMAO TYLER WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH A BRAIN THERE WTF ASPECT OF THE PACK ON AINTJNOWAY MOST REGARDED HUNTER IVE SEEN
not the whole clip.
the guy was constantly muting himself and not responding to tylers questions.
Honestly running brd as a completely new player with other completely new players and tactics explaining is sketch af, yamato getonimo are shit and emilia has not seen the content too and in brd health can fking get nuked unlike the other dungeons.. if you feel uncomfortable just leave thats a W
T1 is right to leave the group if aspect is on during a fight in any dungeon. Aspect of the group wipe is what it should be called.
Bruh do you not listen? T1 doesnt even know what pack is. that wasnt even running through his mind.
@@neji275no, these viewers don’t have brains brother.
@@neji275 I did listen. I am saying from my perspective.
I see T1's POV though, he's NEW to this all. Losing his life means losing WEEKS of progress, and T1 doesn't want to do that again. I get it. They also spent 20-30 ish insulting him, so I'd have left too tbh.
T1 is smart enough to see when he is getting carried. Once he sees people are not good like hunter he bails. Listen its Hardcore, cant blame the guy tbh.
T1 got more game knowledge than 10+ yr wow vets crazy XD if they were struggling that hard on spectators they would have wiped to the trash pulls with the fire elementals that spit out 800-1000 damage
For those of you who think tyler1 was overreacting, if you know BRD just think about how bad it is now and think about what’s waiting for them later on. It’s a good call.
it's like that stanford prison experiment HHAHA
hi boys, if anyone could help me find the clip at 7:22 I would really appreciate it. Its for a friend
if i were to guess, purely on instinct without doing any research ofc id assume the clip got deleted sadly.
@@unbenanntunbekannt sad world we live in, thank you for your response
You don't go berserker stance on a regular basis, what are you talking about. this is not how fury prot works. you start in battle stance and you pull, charge or throwing weapon and pull back. you can start with berserker rage for bonus rage generation, but this is min-max. you bloodrage in battle stance. ressource generation provides aggro infight. it counts for rage. when mobs are near, with the rage from bloodrage you thunderclap, change into def stance, demo shout. application of debuffs is threat. so you made threat off of thunderclap (dmg + debuff) and demo shout. now or beforehand you can start an oil of immolation which is aoe fire dmg, rage potion which gives aoe threat because of ressource generation and you throw an iron granade (fire dmg and stun). you que cleave or heroic strike, tab another mob to bloodthirst, as soon as revange procs off of you dodging or parrying you tab and get the next mob a revenge. now your threat plates/tiny threat whatever you have and your threat addon basically guide you. if a mob turns from green to red (you lost aggro) you taunt. if you lose from all, aoe taunt. if you lose two, one taunt, other bloodthirst and revange. you change into battle stance for a thunderclap and back into def stance. using berserker stance is degenerate and dumb. in def stance you have an additional threat multiplicator. so every action you do in def stance gives you bonus threat. people who think switching to berserk for a whirlwind is smart forgett, that you dump potentially rage above your 25 that you can safe, you take 10% additional dmg and every other skill that you use in the meantime while you switch and whrilwind does normal threat levels so no defensive stance additional threat. people forgett that it is not just the raw dmg that holds the threat, it is the 45% bonus threat that you do in defensive stance. you want every damn bloodthirst and every cleave/heroic strike to be landet in def stance and revenge is arguably your best threat tool (threat per rage king). because you are using two weapons and you tank multiple mobs and getting parry aswell as parry haste, you are attacking often. your main focus is to tab through mobs and specifically select mobs that turn yellow/red that your threat addon tells you and hit these mobs specifically with the next upcoming threat generating ability. in my opinion only noobs go into berserker stance. it is lazy. it is conveniant that you dont have to target the right mobs for it. the threat is not particullarly high, you can't choose the targets and if themob count exceeds 4 it gives a dangerous sense of security that you are doing something for aoe threat. soda....you can ban the tanks from going into berserker stance except for min max for the pull for berserker rage or to get bererker rage if an fear is incoming, but letting these noobs go into berserker stnace just for whrilwind or pushing some dmg when they are assigned tanks is too risky
Nah if your a new player and you don't feel like you understand wtf is going on just stop and ask what's going on but if no one is explaining it so you can actually understand what's going on bail.
And honestly these guys made everything seem so chill even tho Tyler is not used to getting to half hp. Also when he used retal and dummy no one said anything like "bro your fine heal is coming" or anything like that. You SHOULD reassure your group that heals are coming, pull is fine, keep going. New player or not that was the right call to dip either way.
People need to calm down about Tyler being "bad". He is not bad compared to the average player now and is 10x times better taen pretty much any new player. He is learning fast and going good.
Only because he doesn't move and doesn't have the knowledge like a 10+ years player that has never touched a Woman doesn't mean he is bad. The only thing that will result in everyone bitching about him is that he will probably quit when he dies. I wouldn't want to play either if the community is shitting on me and the guild leader is talking publicy shit about me. Sure he apologized (not even to Tyler personally but to stream lol) but how about you call him and explain instead of acting like a dipshit and acting all smart only because you played the game since you were born.
Really enjoyed following Tyler1 level. I am shocked he made it this far. I hope he hits 60.
Did soda just not hear the banana comment?
What's wrong with bananas?
Tact just explains such minute stuff Tyler just wants to be told what to do he doesn’t care what pack is if it’s not regarding his character just tell him what to do but tact isn’t a leader
they were being assholes to tyler, pack was on, if he got bad vibes on that group then yeah he was right to leave
yeah he is too new to know all the abilities each character has and does but surprises me that these people didnt say shit about the aspect, i would instantly say turn that off or im kicking and search for a new one
tyler was right to leave
hardcore brd with that hunter, ofc he quits lol
Not saying Tyler was at fault here, but someone really needs to tell him to switch to defensive stance for threat and reduced damage since he’s 2her tanking. Not only would that help his aggro, but it’d take away some of the stress of taking lots of damage. And if he really is that easily spooked, someone should also tell him to use a 1her and shield.
"someone really needs to tell him" lul... impossible
ego too massive
He’s one of the biggest streamers doing this. His chat is filled with morons usually but their shit advice is wrong like 90% of the time. Of course he’s just ignoring them now
As a main tank you need to be able to handle a lot of criticism
I understand what he means but that fight wasn't even a close call...I think he's just tired of this game who obviously doesn't like beyond beating the challenge
A leader should explain stuff in a way, so that the new player could easily understand and this wasnt the case here.
Having to hand hold a tank through hardcore dungeons is crazy. That being said if you are letting a new player tank your dungeons, you know what you are getting into.
Here is the problem with T1 always getting saved or carried and backseated by guildies and chat:
He does not learn the game appropriately.
This is no hate but at 57 you can not make an excuse anymore not to know obvious things, you are about to hit endgame and if you still don't know your class or what other classes can do for you. Dying is all but inevitable.
The exact opposite is Emilya or Grubby who had no idea about wow and now play the game and their class way better. They also don't know everything but I see that their struggle made them better players.
Also dumbass comments blaming Geranimoo: That hunter is Tylers dungeon pet, he goes into every dungeon with him. He got annoyed with Tactics who treated him how the majority would treat a player that reached 57 "by themselves"
if they will ever complain about loot drama tell them how raiding with asmon did look like so they can actually understand that raididng with you soda is mild and generous
Sounds like the other german dude was the one tilting T1. "Open your ears" etc. That tilted me and I'm not even in the call with them
Thet have been bantering like this from like level 15 to now, he wasnt talking about him
Bro they know eachother from league. He was getting tilted at Tactics
@@rwexhd4660 You sure? Cuz T1 said he was leaving once he said “just eat your bananas”. Speaks to his EU audience when he can say shit like that live with his chest out
To be tank u need a huge knowledge of BiS/dungeons/raids but in Hc.. u need to be like a perfectionist at this point
I blame onlyfangs tbh they carried him through everything and showered him with some damn good gear. It's not his fault
i think gerinoma had aspect of the cheta on the entire duengeon he legit trying to wipe em
I think Tyler is right about what he did, not about how he did it.