Splatoon 3 has a fatal matchmaking problem.
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- Опубликовано: 30 авг 2023
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My fav part about x battle is going 0-3 and losing 30-60 points, but going 3-0 and only gaining 10-30 points
It's based off of the power your enemies if I lose 3 games against much higher power players you lose few points and if I win against them I gain a lot of points
@@the_legendary_fireWell then, it's sure as heck consistent when you're the one losing.
0-3 and loosing 30-60 points?! I had several 2-3 and lost 80 or even 100 points at some times. On a normal 2.100 xp
@@the_legendary_firethe thing about splatoon is that your ranks reset. Especially in salmon run. So you can get matched with and against people of the wrong skill. It’s pretty horrible. I don’t remember splatoon 2 being quite this bad.
@@13_cmimy god yes... salmon run... resetting all the way to evp 40 after each rotation no matter where you are is the worst thing about salmon run in this game.
ive grinded up to evp 600 and watching that go to 40 hurt. splatoon 2 was reasonable, and if you had an extremely high evp number it would reset to a higher value than normal (ex: i am evp 400 in splatoon 2 rn, since thats what number it reset to).
the only reason i can think of for it being made it this way is because of the stage badges. Assuming it reset to evp 200 instead of 40, that would automatically reward stage badges so i can understand slightly. but In that case, evp gained per wave should increase, bc gaining only 20 points per match adds up in time badly.
Spread the word guys and make this viral. Nintendo needs to listen
Nintendo just needs to kick everyone who drops below 1800 out of X rank like in Splatoon 2.
And restrict X rank to S+10 and up
@@jordanandrew2786yea
as someone who can get 2000 x power on good days but can also get stomped on and get 1700 x power, i actually agree with this. the easier access to this mode allows for some genuinely unskilled teammates to pop up on occasion. sometimes it feels like if i am not actively carrying my team, i will lose.
It should be more like 2400. Top players are hitting over 4000 now. There's more similarity between a B+ player to low X rank than a 1800 and a 4000 X rank player.
@@applecidervinegar1650 x rank players aren't meant to be close to the top players, they're meant to be close to the part where you can't improve unless you get involved with the competitive community, which 1800-2000 is roughly at. Also, top players will keep gaining X-Power because there is no one higher than them that will prevent them from winning games, so over time they'll get more and more x power.
The worst part about this is the fact that you even see this message in TURF WAR.
Turf feels like it has the bare minimum in terms of matchmaking and you still run into this message sometimes.
9:40 at the same time, many people often criticize how bad Splatoon’s matchmaking is because of how often it creates unbalanced matches. What should Nintendo do? They’re being pulled in two opposite directions
EXACTLY MY POINT. I keep repeating myself like an old man with dementia but both this video and zorconic's video about matchmaking seem to have people agreeing, and they're advocating for opposite things
Well let’s think about what happens in each situation:
Only balanced battles no matter how few matches:
People of any skilllevel will quit, because they won’t even be allowed to play any game at all most of the time
The best match possible, but skilllevel/ping importance will degrade per either jump every 10s or continuously:
Some few upranked people will complain about some unfair matches online
there is a competitive 6v6 queue in tf2 that has maybe 20-30 players on it at a time, and even after hours of queueing, the game will eventually give high rank players (the vast minority of the players) a lobby with level 1 fresh meat. getting in a game is the FIRST thing a matchmaking system should prioritise.
That's a recipe for making newbies quit the mode/game.
Splatoon 2 did this with X rank and people did not like it because losing once would lose you loads of points and sometimes give you +0 when you won.
@@the_legendary_fireThat's a ranking issue, not a matchmaking one.
@@Westile IF the matchmaking doesn't do a good job with spreading the newbies and pros evenly. Splatoon sadly also struggles with preventing double, even triple backliners lmao. But otherwise yeah
@@Westilewhat’s also a recipe for making newbies quit is them not being able to play the game at all
It seems that Nintendo sometimes struggles to make sustainable matchmaking in a few of their games. I play Zelda Tri Force Heroes alot and the servers splits matchmaking by 14 ways for a regular queue (the factors being 8 areas, 2 play speeds, 2+ categories of how many stages you’ve let other people pick and whether or not you want a bonus challenge.) This game usually only has 2-4 people looking for a match at anytime when I’ve looked around and the wait can be 4+ hours just to play. I understand the game isn’t appealing to many people but the way Nintendo designs some of their matchmaking is just awful. I hope Splatoon 3 doesn’t turn like this.
Omg thank you for the Tri Force Heroes info! I finished that game entirely with randos when it was new, and loved it, but I know it got really hard to match after its first month or so. Tapoutt and I have tossed around figuring out how to stream it, lol
this was calming to listen to. I feel wrong for assuming this, but I feel like there might be a blind eye and deaf ear for complaints about some parts of the game from players in the west, like this, from the developers. but there probably is an example to debunk this Idk
Nah it definitely feels like they haven’t made any changes or bug fixes to the matchmaking since the first season and that was only because people legitimately couldn’t play the game because the match making was just that bad
@@numberjuaanctr420God, I hope Nintendo doesn't milk the Splatoon franchise to death like how the other triple AAA companies are doing it.
Yeah this is definitely an impending doom problem. If it stays like this matchmaking is going to be awful.
Best thing to do really is just spread awareness. If enough players mention it, it might reach the devs.
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This happened to me... Splatzones is my best mode (I tend to be around 1800 or 1900 in X... and I was in X rank in splatoon 2 for zones so I've ranked down a bit in skill maybe) but I absolutely biffed my 5 placement matches. I was put in 1350 and getting a match was so rare I practically gave up for the rest of the season.
congratulations on the quad at 13:00 very nicely done!
me actually getting into a match:
*A COMMUNICATION ERROR HAS OCCURRED*
The matchmaking is insane in Splatoon 3. I played ranked Splatoon 1 and 2 last night out of interest and was getting into lobbies significantly faster than even Challenge mode matches in Splatoon 3 on a new season drop.
Last season was my first time hitting S+ and getting X battles. The only mode I was able to connect to enough games in for a ranking was clam blitz and I got 1720. Every other mode I only managed to successfully join a game 1-3 times before giving up entirely 😢 it was a super disappointing first X rank experience
Wanna know what’s bad, me and my friend got this message doing Tri-colour, 3 times in a row…
During a SPLATFEST
I get this error 95% of the time when my power gets above 2400. I got top 500 in three modes in sizzle season 2023 and didn’t even play X battle that much. Whenever I saw clam blitz X battle (I was top 500), I knew I wouldn’t get to play the game.
It takes me like 25 mins to find a game in t500 clams from there i find them in relatively quick succession
I usually get 1 game per rotation in X battles, since i usually finish top 100-10 and its really frustating. I usually do other stuff meanwhile but still its frustating
Casual Turf War player here, hopefully I'm not the only one that is annoyed by the fact players spend more time waiting for matches to start than actually playing the match, it ticks me off more when a Turf War match lasts only 30 seconds because someone disconnected within the first minute.
Splatoon 3 matchmaking has recently within the last few seasons has been either steamrolling matches, or getting steamrolled matches
Ive been between A+ and X and have experience this across all these ranks
And im generally ok when not everyone is not on the exact skill lvl
( referencing splatoon 1 matchmaking whete u could have A and S players on the same teams)
But even in 1 matches weren’t so quick to end and vice versa
The whole system needs to be revamped imo bc matchmaking along with the maps are what is hurting this game by far the most
The most depressing thing about it for me is that I know the 2 modes I tanked down to super low rating I can't even really do anything but wait for the next season to try again. D:
They need to have the same X rank system from splatoon 2. X powers go too low and too high and wins/losses affect the score too much. It's why I avoid the mode entirely.
This happened to me as well but in Rainmaker and weirdly enough, my x power for that mode was the highest out of all the modes for sizzle season.
I think the whole queue system and x rank need to be redone. X as an elite thing made sense in splatoon 2 as it was a rank above all the S+. Now its not so much, I even think x power is a better measure for rank over whatever the old letter system has. My idea is:
- Turf War - Same as is.
- Anarchy - Remove open and combine into series or vise versa. I think modifying series to allow with friends matching is better as its meant to be practice for X, but might be better to be more like open. Anarchy also unlocks faster, I think at the same time as being able to buy weapons.
- X Battle - As is for regions is fine, but it's unlocked by "proving" yourself in Anarchy. Could be S+ in Anarchy still or based on wins. The goal is to make sure the player is comfortable with ranked modes. However once proven the mode is unlocked from season to season. If you want to keep fresh returning players from stuffing up rankings, if they dont play enough ranked or at all for multiple seasons, they could be required to play anarchy before X as a refresher.
What this does is separate the game into 3 queues: Casual/Quick Play, Unranked/with friends and Ranked Solo. Now this may sound like R6 Siege queues atm but idc if it works it works. It doesn't need to be a novel system, the games core loop is that. The matching queues and ranking however should work.
I'm pretty sure the thing about anarchy series and open is 1) it gives 2 different map-mode rotations at the same time and 2) there's a faster option more akin to gambling (for good teammates) and a slower option for warming up, having fun solo or with friends, so combining them seems very strange to me
@@rubellite4480 might be easier to just remove series as a whole to avoid confusion then, and have X battles be the main competitive mode. As power calculation is based on glicko-2, it shouldnt be a problem opening X to all active players, which would use anarchy as a warm up like you said for open. That way, even 1400's and below get a shot of redemption. Yes it's no longer a queue of elite top players, but I don't think a proper rating should be locked to top individuals. If my X power is only 500 then by God I want the world to know I'm trash. (For the record the only ranking I ever got time to complete was CB of ~1850)
I think that splitting the queues between Series, X, and Open was the biggest mistake. IMO, Series should be abolished and replaced with X's format as the default. It doesn't make sense that players have to unlock a proper rating system, Series is such a bad joke it shouldn't exist. Then I would rebrand Open as Unranked. Two queues instead of three, and matchmaking based on power rather than unlock requirements might properly work.
This must be frustrating. Hopefully nintendo will one day look into it.
As for how nintendo can try to fix this problem, aside from widening the Matchmaker pool, finding an optimal solution probably sounds tricky
whenever this happens to me, a simple restart fixes it for me
Not even X rank players play X rank. The amount of top 500 badges I have seen in Anarchy Series is insane
Especially in rank up battles. I found a gold x badge desperately trying to make it to s+.
I had a game of anarchy open with some friends and we gained plus .1 points three games in a row, and they weren’t even complete wipeout wins. Then we lost 50 when we lost by 2 points
On the S+9 skip. It was only for the elite, and even then it was a gamble
Really pissed cause I was playing for X
9-1
S+6 -> S+7
The amount of people who have x rank unlocked has to be under 1% of the community, I have one friend with it unlocked (they consistently reach top 50 in clam blitz)
Same thing happened to me although I was just barely able to climb out by trying over and over at times of the day that were super popular on weekends and playing weapons that were likely to be searched by others. But ya I think once people stop being able to find games most people stop searching so it starts a cycle where very few people are trying to search x battles around that power at the same time
I've been absolutely having this issue in sr more and more lately. Like some rotations I've only been able to get in three games in an hour. Especially harder maps. It's ridiculous.
The x rank matchmaking requires the weapon on each team to be more or less the same. So if you are playing a charger, there HAS to be a charger or maybe a tri stringer on the other. It could be that the people playing have not been using chargers in clam blitz because it might not be the best weapon for the mode, but they could have been more effective in splat zones
Honestly, they aren't necessarily even consistent with this. in the few times splatoon allowed me to queue up in my lowest mode, they had clear mismatches like machine and jet squelcher, splat dualies and heavy splatling while the rest were matched by weapon or range. Once it even decided that a mini splatling on my team was a fine enough counter for an eliter on the other team... at lower levels I think they sometimes give up on properly matching
I think they did this in splatoon 2 but not in 3. Well all I notice is how uneven the teams are now.
Another reason Why I gave up going for X ranks. The matchmaking is absolutely bad and nintendo has not make proper adjustments to splatoon 3 netcode.
10:10 Playing at odd hours. Try West Coast late. Forget trying to find a Clam match. Forget trying to play most X rank matches because a lot of people aren't online in your rank threshold. In addition to the weapon balancing the game tries to do. So many factors clash and it freaking sucks. You have to play at a prime time i order to actually get thrown into matches.
At least in Splatoon 2 every X player was thrown into a pool for the most part. I used to play with Japanese players because I would play late and for them it would be afternoon. And that was a blast. I got steamrolled at points sure, but I was at least playing the game I paid for and not stuck in a queue
It sucks because if I keep getting the "not enough players" message I just stop playing altogether for a bit. I WANT to play, but the game is literally not letting me. Splat2 i would play for hours because it let me
I bought Splatoon 3 a few months ago and just started playing it the last few weeks and oh my gosh... the moment I hit S+0 it's been hell. I've been on a losing streak and rarely any wins and it's so frustrating. I want to play my favorite modes, but I kept getting matched with either bad players or against pro-skill level players that streamroll and it's becoming so unfun.
I'm already at -2999 in my points and it sucks. T_T
Doing Open gives you 8 points for winning, but 5 points for losing. Seriously, the amount of loses I had with both Series and Open it makes me despises 3. I went back to 2 a few days ago and I have 50/50 matches with wins and losses and felt more manageable and fun. Though I did do Turf Wars.
I really hope Nintendo fixes the issues with this game, because I don't think I want to come back even though I want to unlock all weapons and get the perfect abilities for my gear. It hurts so much.
People under 1900 should NEVER match people above 1900.
However. The problem is, we have people who are in X that don’t belong in X. This results in people not matching their skill level because their skill level is in a different rank. A player can be A+ Power 1300, while another is X Power 1345, and another player is S Power 1413
These players should all be matched because they’re the same skill. But, because their ranks are different, A+, S, and X, the game will not match them. There’s no world where two players with the same skill rating should be a different rank.
In my experience you can't find ranked matches in S2, at least in my low X rank experience
I think another part of this is that I will never queue up for Clam Blitz as a solo. I exclusively play with friends in Anarchy (Open). I just can't stand the game mode without better communication. To add to the lack of player base though, I'm also EST and play in the evening and at 1700 X power in splat zones I still struggle to find a match sometimes.
X rank is no longer battle against the best of the best
In both splatoon 1 & 2 in order to get into the highest ranks you have to consistently win matches and prove your right to fight pros
That incentive isn’t their in 3
Just S-> S+ and boom you can fight the supposedly best of best players
And this easy of getting into high ranks is why matchmaking can feel steamrolling when it shouldn’t be
Average score for the tater division is like 1650
this is super informative! your voice is also very nice and soothing to listen to!
communication errors are so common it's basically tradition to get one
I think adding a setting to match with people way outside your rank for X battles would be nice
Then that'd just be unfair. I recently watched zorconic's video about how matchmaking sucks and matches people with wildly different skill levels together, and both him and this youtuber seem to have a bunch of people agreeing with them even though their arguments directly clash.. It's a weird situation
Random, ik, but your voice is so calming! Great Video
very off topic but your voice is so soothing. i played this video while drawing my splatoon oc and its satisfying to just listen to you complain about x battles lol
knowing my skill level if i actually unlocked x battles id probably run to the same issue😭
the same thing is happening to me, which is a shame because mine usually takes up to 3 minutes before the message.
i had this problem too! I never got a match as a sniper in x rank clam blitz and it worked for any other weapon and through any other mode.
Ooh I knew weapon matchmaking range was a thing, but I didn't realize that was ALSO a hard division happening in the player pool. That's even worse!
10,000,000 copies, sure.
But how many of those are:
In X Battle (above S+)
In your division
Queueing for X Battle Clam Blitz at the same time.
Which, given it's the less popular division and the least popular mode... It isn't that surprising?
There's not much they can do to solve the problem that the pool is just too small. They can't force people from other modes into it for obvious reasons, so you can't pull a TF2 and fill the gaps with fresh meat.
The only solution I could see is to widen the pool.
So that could be lowering the minimum rank to Play X Battle, since often less than 10% of the player base are S+ or above at any one time. It could mean removing region locks, and allowing cross-division play, or, removing divisions entirely. Or it could go with a more "clever" but less fun solution, such as making it so Series and X always have the same rotation, and a lacking X battle will pull players in from the most similar Series lobby it can find.
(As for myself, I'm actually in a similar enough position, X Power wise, on Zones, I would be of the opinion that we should lower the rank requirement. Allll the way to A.
Oh, and addendum time:
I agree they should adjust how the skill based matchmaking system works, I just think it's not going to be enough. Even moderate or plurality score divisions in X have very few players.
Also my favourite mode is Anarchy Series, so my condolences on preferring X. I will however put a word in that the "Stick with Team" button is valuable to us Series mainers. Five matches of solid comradery with strangers, those are some of the best Splatoon moments there are.)
Interesting perspective on Anarchy Series! I ALSO like comradery with randos, but find that people often just leave after a team loses one. So it becomes a matter of gaming the series by always hitting leave until you find a team that wins.
@@samnrunnerI'll usually stick with a team if I find we work well together, even if we lose, and friend someone if they stick with me. But if we lose badly, oh dear, I'm out of there, sorry! 😅
I will say, though, even Anarchy Series is hard strained for players above A, with my S lobbies I remember the occasional "not enough players". S+ sometimes has me wait for 140 seconds before it can find a match, with my usual times being 60-80 seconds, and about 1/3rd of those are "Not enough players."
Mind you I mainly play in the evening in Europe, or sometimes the early afternoon, so my pool is going to be different.
As far as I understand, Splatoon 3 DOES allow some level of inter-Rank mingling, but that's only within whatever the internal skill based matchmaking range it thinks is acceptable. I usually end up in pretty repetitive lobbies. I play with Vitamina ⭐ so often in solo queue I just friended her.
I feel like the whole Splatoon community has just agreed that Clam Blitz sucks ass-
That's absurd and terrifying!
I haven't played Splatoon 3 since January 2023.
Good thing I'm becoming a indie game developer, and if Nintendo doesn't know how to address those issues in Splatoon 3, or if Nintendo doesn't know how to make a good Splatoon game, or if Nintendo doesn't know how to delay/develope Splatoon 3 for the next-gen Nintendo console, or if Nintendo doesn't know how to make a Splatoon spin-off game (like a Splatoon fighting game or a Splatoon rpg/jrpg game for a example), or if Sega/Sonic Team almost made a good Sonic game, but then it has problems on release, or if Sega/Sonic Team doesn't know how to make a good Sonic game or doesn't know how to make a new and original IP game outside of Sonic The Hedgehog, I might make a bad-ass/edgy, aquatic 3d platformer that's a mix between Sonic The Hedgehog and Splatoon.
Nintendo needs to listen to this guy
TLDR: get good or no x battle for the rest of the season
I just hope they rework matchmaking so that you can match with people below/above your skill threshold
have you tried picking a different weapon, like the luna blaster or splattershot for example.
maybe it can find games where those players are needed.
I had this problem last season , im thinking of joining the Tentatek division for better matchmaking. I also saw this in patch notes” Made it so that when one player begins matchmaking and members have gathered but there is a communication error, matchmaking is automatically reattempted once instead of being suspended as a result of the error.” So mayb now it re queues automatically after error ? Dunno if thats much help anyway
I remember i bought splatoon 3 on launch and for the first hour or two i couldnt get into a single match of basic turf
things like this and the up until now map design is why I suspect splatoon 3 will never be remembered as fondly as 2, even if 2 had a lot of weird/ bad decisions.
Same thing happened to me :( Lost my first 4 calculation battles of Splat Zones and was never matched with anyone again
I am having trouble finding matches even at 2160
I would add back the cut off from splatoon 2 and make it so you need to do another rank up battle in series.
Then I'd add in some flexibility for matching with varying x powers.
Finally I'd merge the divisions and make it so it'll try and match you with your region but it'll pull from other regions if there aren't enough players
I get this issue too btw but my score is 2200 (average)
I'm new to the game and I got the expansion pass too but whenever I join a battle it just says not enough players so now I'm stuck on level 1 and not only that the only things I can do are play side order and the story's campaign BUT SPLATOON 2 WORKS
And evrytime i reset my data i doesn't even let me transfer my splatoon 2 data. 😞
I feel like this is related to zorconics latest video about lower level players being matched with higher level players. And now this video saying it straight up doesn't match you at all if you're too low..
Nevermind, you directly acknowledge his point in the section talking about the little Timmies. It's funny nobody seems to agree on what truly is splatoon 3s problem
I'm a west coast salmon run evp 200+ freelancer and I get off of work around 8 pm ish, but don't always play as much as I should be
Sipilus when SBMK
What I’m mad about is that they market Pikmin so good, yet market this new season just…badly.
I have a friend named SillyFerret who had the same problem. I've never been in X Rank so I wouldn't know
i just want to comment so this video bumps up - opal
never seen this before???
I really hate that they split up Anarchy between Open and Series, especially now that it prevents us getting independent ranks for each mode
I’m pretty sure it’s top 4% for x
9:15 - "here is where any sensible online multiplayer game would..." Yep, not that's not splatoon lol
thats my streamer!
I can answer the odd hours question for you I mostly play at around 1-5am and clam blitz just would not give me matches
This happened to me too
unify Anarchy Series and X-Rank
8:43 we would have to read what Glicko2 has to say. Anyone expert on that?
I’m Midwest player for salmon run who plays a lot! unless it’s marooners bay. See you next rotation 😂 my avg x power is like 2300 I’ve been close to top 500 but I need to work on better decision making. I didn’t know the x power could be that that low. Reminds me if you were 1900 you were booted back to S+… but at least you could work you way back to X (which is also a problem I think?)
I'm so sorry, but I have to make the obvious joke: Nobody is playing clam blitz because it sucks.
signal boost
I want to unlock x battle, but im scared to do so because of this like bruh
Guys guys it’s ok it’s because X Rank is a mode for “the best of the best” so that’s why there’s not a lot of players!!! Trust me!!!!
If you just play Splat2, the matchmaking is way better in that game because of the fact that everyone knows Splat3 is just…bad.
So weird
Lmao, the fact that there's almost no people playing x real clam blitz is hilarious
Did you factor in that Clam Blitz sucks?
why post this in september if it was recorded in july and the most recent update that dropped a few days ago (before the video came out) fixed the issue entirely? It no longer has a fatal matchmaking problem. the video is outdated two days before its release lmao???
It did not "fix" the issue kiver was playing and instead of the 60 second search into nothing it does a 120 second search into nothing
this is because nobody likes x rank in splatoon 3
it needs reworks to make the game mode less bullshit before people who unlock it will actually play
Huh, dude cant get matches....as a sniper...in clam blitz...in x rank...in whatever division. That spunds like a "nobody likes clam blitz or chargers" and "not many people can get to x rank" cuz ya know...its the elite mode
No. Im sorry. Splatoon 2 ranked was hell. I hated the meter system. I hated getting wins and almost ranking up, but the meter just didnt go any farther and then the game would pair you with the most psychotic tryhards lose and meter just breaks
The obvious answer is that no one is playing x rank clam blitz except for you
It's not like the game is dead either. Big runs so far have attracted nearly 3m players for the first 2 (new thing and new boss) and still 1.8m for the 3rd. On any normal day there should be well over 10k concurrent players on average. Ofc most of those are casuals or not in X battle, I'd say around 1-3% of them would be. Since the game is so much more popular in Asia, it could be under 20% of them that are in the Europe/America division.
So yes there is a lot that the matchmaking will leave out. At peak time there might still only be 100 players in X battles outside Asia. Power differences divide it further and you soon get a situation where there's under 8 players.
I’m sorry but 1405? I didn’t even think that was possible
Wait, so the fatal matchmaking problem is that not enough people are in X-rank?
That's a YOU problem.
the match making is bad anyway it takes me 120 secs to load into a 3min match 💀💀💀 it stoppted me from playing
Huh you're on about turf war my queue times there are roughly 45-70 seconds I have at least 1200 wins in turf war
That's not even ranked and its the most popular game mode I detect lying
@the_legendary_fire No, it happens to me too, but not because the game can't find players. I'll usually have to queue multiple times for long interverals to get a match because "someone in the party disconnected" or "there was an error" despite me having good internet and an ethernet cable. Obviously this is a different problem from what the video is talking about but it's still annoying and probably a product of Nintendo not having actual servers for Splatoon, but it wasn't even this bad in 2. So who knows