Holy cow, I didn't have the chance to pay attention to Scotch and Kotch's dialogue during the big battle in my playthrough, but it is INSANE how many unique lines they have, depending on who's in the party and what is happening.
"Before this grudge match takes place, the player needs a chance to restore and restock! Maybe even manage their Folios." I don't know what's better. Dio rolling in two benches and vending machines for you, or Elena and Rude going along with it.
The skywheel scene reminds me all over again how gorgeous this game is and how much I love seeing these characters interact and be sweet with each other. 😊
I remember in Remake, when Dan fought Rufus not knowing what attack to use, my first thought was "It's got to be Braver, right? Would suck to enter the boss fight and you're required to learn optional abilities, so probably the one guaranteed one." And now Dan is trying everything else again. Can't complain, though. I beat Ganon in Skyward Sword not catching onto the one gimmick of the whole game of raising the sword skyward. Took me like half an hour to whittle him down with normal attacks xD
This episode is a good reminder that when this game hits, it hits hard. Sweet and silly date scene? Battle rap intro? Donberries???? Game of the everything indeed.
For the record, Rufus can fire his gun six times before he has to reload. Mobility shots, normal attacks, and named attacks all count. If he hits you, he will take the opportunity to reload early and reset the counter, but otherwise, you can always know when he's about to reload by counting his shots. Unless it's an unblockable (indicated by a red triangle), it's always better to block or parry his attacks. And Braver is the attack that staggers him instantly.
36:11 I mentioned before that this sequence is one of the most memorable from my own playthrough. This right here is a big part of why. I love that the Turks get involved, I love that Dio makes it a part of the festivities, and I love the timeout to make use of the provided facilities. It's all so fantastic. Having said that, it was also very frustrating, having so many difficult fights back to back (to back), culminating in a solo rematch with Rufus that took me probably half a dozen tries. That difficulty combined with the over-the-top showiness involving some of my favorite characters really solidifies the experience as one of the most memorable for me.
The way things go with Cait and Reeve glimpses in this game suggest to me that the reason Cait really helps them steal the keystone is thst Tsung is onto him as of the scene we see him changing the wanted posters. And he sat on that intel and told Rufus, who decided to play that card to force Reeve to cooperate. Alternately, I could see us finding out that Tsung used a threat to marlene/elmyra to force Reeve rather than Reeve using that threat on the party in the original... this might be a day early but... close enough.
So Rufus does actually have an ammo count with bigger attacks consuming more ammo, but it's very often hidden because he will take the opportunity to reload any time it's safe for him to do so. This includes any time you're staggered or knocked over. He's a tough fight. I wish there were more enemies leading up to him that had that level of reactionary awareness to clue you in that it's something to expect and look for.
Reminds me a bit of Godfrey in Elden Ring, when he goes full Tekken. No other boss in the game has attacks you're forced to JUMP over, then suddenly he does but only in phase 2 and they're super brutal.
@@andrewgutmann9432 300 hours and I never knew Crucible Knights had anything to jump over. 🙂 Everything they have can be blocked or rolled through, unlike Godfrey's stomp that hits you through shields and s.
Some Skywheel Date differences that some might appreciate: Cait, Cid, Vincent: Cait panics at the space battle outside and Cid... tries to evade it. Ultimately, none of the boys want to be on the ride (Cid particularly is miffed that he can't actually steer the thing) and Cait grabs his megaphone to beg to get off. Barrett: Barrett tries to shoot at the spaceships, and calls the Chocobo Racing Projections "in-kweh-dible" (Cloud is not impressed). We also get a sweet backstory dump when Barrett tells Cloud about when he met Myrna, as well as potentially Barrett trying to talk girls with Cloud Red: Red starts doing the excited dog pant on the Skywheel. Also Red tells Cloud that he and Aerith haven't been able to see the future since Midgar, but still pleads with Cloud to keep her safe (potentially making Cloud shake on it, which gives Cloud the opportunity to see HOW SOFT his paws are). We also get a line in Old Red voice. Yuffie: Cloud almost ditches her getting into the Skywheel, and Yuffie apparently forgot that she gets motion sick until it's too late. Yuffie asks Cloud about him and Tifa, and tells Cloud about her time meeting Zack (in Crisis Core). Also you get either: "Say something!" "...Something" or Cloud play fighting with Yuffie. Tifa: the two are so busy with a courtesy ward they almost miss their gondola. Tifa also lies about talking to Aerith about Zack. Also other moments that I'm sure everyone's already heard about by now.
So much talk about in this episode! I think I’m going to go with the fight with the Turks, which I think is probably the one that is too many. If I have one consistent criticism of Remake and Rebirth, it’s that they both have a bit of a habit of inserting boss fights where there probably doesn’t need to be one. We’ve already fought Rude and Elena, twice if you do the Gongaga protorelic quest, and this one doesn’t really add anything to make it worth the repeat. Even the third Turks fight in Remake was at least our first duo fight with them. I do really like the Rufus fight after it though, and that feels a bit harder to set up without it, so idk it’s probably worth it
@@AhrpigiRude mentioned in the mines he’s still recovering from the injuries we gave him in Remake. But as for why he hasn’t shown up at all yet, though: his Japanese voice actor died after Remake, and they didn’t want to recast for Rebirth out of respect. I believe they have for Part 3
@@XTheUnchosenOneX oh, dang. I forgot about that, that's a very good reason then... I also wonder if they'll make Tseng the only Turk you never battle again.
@@Ahrpigilol, I didn’t want to spoil it! Apparently his Japanese lines were reused from previous recordings, I don’t think that’s true in English but his lines are still somewhat generic
It's Braver. The attack that Rufus is vulnerable to is Braver. It's the one ATB command you're guaranteed to have access to, no matter how much optional content you skipped.
6:14 i think a good example my biggest issue with how the story seems to be going is right about here. Everyone KNOWS that Something is Wrong with Cloud, but no one seems willing to confront it directly. Not even Cloud. I feel like if anyone at all actually broached the subject directly it could have saved a lot of drama. Before now and later on.
It's weird to me that Corneo and his goons seem to have no reaction to seeing them at the tournament. I get that they wouldn't want to make it public like the announce team saying "oh yeah these guys beat us up like a month ago", but like a "you again!?" or a shocked look or something. Maybe they don't recognize them without their pretty dresses.
I do wish they had properly made it clear that your supposed to pick your third character before you enter the colosseum, because everyone assumed it was like every other arena battle where you select your character on the screen after selecting a match. The first time this happened to me, I had to "retry from last battle" to switch my party and then skip the cutscene to get back to the fight.
3:14 Cloud, even I wouldn't make that mistake. You take the invitation. 4:15 It's Cloud's true superpower: a special level of social ineptitude. 5:14 This is a case of "kinda awkwardly uncomfortable now". Being told "hey, you're just like this other guy I used to date" is the least smooth Aerith has ever been in Rebirth. 5:30 At least she kinda saves it. 7:16 May not be my personal vibe, but still super cute. Landing stuck. 10:46 Downside of not wearing much: hard to hide bandages. 11:53 Corneo and his lackeys remain punchable as ever. 12:51 Yes, dan, the game expressly told you to pick a third -wheel- party member before saying you were ready. Specifically before. 16:06 I'm not often this grossed out, but Don Corneo and "fatherly love" don't belong in the same post code. 18:43 Thanks, I hate it. 24:31 Could this guy get any more disgusting? He's just the worst. 32:43 RIP AND TEAR! Then put him on a spike for the birds to eat. 33:06 You're a waste of Carbon. You deserve to be hanged by your entrails and your corpse paraded through Wall Market. 51:47 Having skimmed some comments... I can't call it terrible, but it's pretty bad. You may be guaranteed Braver, but "Braver" is shorter than "Certain attacks", is precise, and takes nothing away from the challenge of the encounter. There's no real reason to make it vague. Also, Remake was *4 years* ago, and remembering "the one move that solves that one fight" is not a reasonable expectation for the player.
This Rufus fight is an absolute monstrosity tbh. The continuing opaqueness of the tips from Assess continues to cause problems and is WORSE this time around imo. My Normal mode win was only because I desperately used the Moogle Trio summon and that was so not the optimal play at all (I did NOT want to redo the Rude and Elena fight tbh). He is the number one reason I likely won’t do a full Hard Mode playthrough. >
Rebirth and original comparison by Playframe episode numbers: Start to 35:57 - episode 21 Yeah as Dan says, it's a very broad strokes sort of adaptation. There's battles, but not against Corneo, the Turks, or Rufus. Also the order has been reversed, as you do the battles, then the date, then the Keystone is stolen. Honestly, other than the battle with the Turks, it kinda feels like the dev team was like "well we gotta have a Corneo battle this time, and we gotta have another Rufus battle. Where do we put them?"
God I suck at the rufus fight. I did not do well with him in remake, and struggled during my first playthrough here. Thats not so bad, but he has absolutely brickwall stopped my hard mode run. He demoralised me completely 😂 no other boss even took 5 attempts (gi nattak was the closest at 4) then this guy shuts me down for 2 days of attempts. I haven't returned yet 😂
Remake had him surprisingly vulnerable to status effects. In Hard Mode, I was able to use Sleep (once per fight) and Stop to easily beat him once everything lined up.
@LadyLunarSatine I did overcome in remake, including hard mode, after a couple of tries. But he's learned from that fight and is now immune to slow stop and sleep. The brute.
She gets healed a moment after the Phoenix summon cutscene, so I think it was just delayed because she was far away, then delayed again by Dan immediately initiating a long cutscene that freezes the fight.
For just a second after that Don Corneo fight, I thought Cloud was going to leave Aerith hanging with the high five again. But it was more of a dramatic pause. Character growth!
so, I think the Gold Saucer theme might be a Baroque Fugue this time, which really works well with a number of other time signatures and rhythms to interweave. I think it's entirely intentional.
51:42 - As with Remake... you are in this fight with ONLY Cloud. You learned additional attacks depending on equipped weapons, but equipping any particular weapon was OPTIONAL. There is ONE attack Cloud STARTS the game already knowing. There is ONE attack they KNOW for sure you have available. There is ONE attack tied with cloud's SIGNATURE WEAPON. There is ONE attack that, above all others, is CLOUD'S SIGNATURE ATTACK (only arguably competing with Omnislash, which is NOT available in either fight).
I feel like at this point in the game I wasn't really using cure spells much anymore, I mostly just used mist gigapotions which I had pretty much capped out on
I feel like Braver is thee Cloud attack so “certain attack” can mean nothing other than that to me so it’s crazy to me that Dan’s thought process isn’t the same 😭 especially because it’s one of his most used Cloud moves
When I played I got the "date" with Nanaki and tbh I kind of like that better than this one, even though this one has more story in it (incomplete story unfortunately, 6:18 Aerith why are we still refusing to communicate c'mon, anyway). But I think my preference just comes from this Aerith one has that romantic texture to it which I'm not a fan of and feels weird to me with Cloud who I still see as Aro and the game (and fans) keep pushing him in these situations
Headcanons are nice but that’s all they are without significant evidence. There isn’t evidence for this given Cloud canonically has romantic feelings for both Aerith and Tifa (and arguably others but I’m not diving that far into argument hell today).
@@Caterfree10 In these two games anytime Tifa or Aerith have presented anything of the romantic sort of feelings towards him he is either oblivious or visually uncomfortable, at no point that I've noticed has he shown those feelings himself. Whenever they're on a date as the game calls them it's aerith dragging him along and it's clear she sees it that way but Cloud is just spending time with his friend
"Eh. It's not the first garbage president to make an appearance in a WWE match."
--Dan 2024
Art and life, right?
Holy cow, I didn't have the chance to pay attention to Scotch and Kotch's dialogue during the big battle in my playthrough, but it is INSANE how many unique lines they have, depending on who's in the party and what is happening.
"Before this grudge match takes place, the player needs a chance to restore and restock! Maybe even manage their Folios."
I don't know what's better. Dio rolling in two benches and vending machines for you, or Elena and Rude going along with it.
They must really have a lot of faith in that toy cat to hold up his end of the bargain.
A Ferris Wheel combo with a Teacup is a nightmare I didn't know I was going to discover. Thanks, Final Fantasy. :D
The skywheel scene reminds me all over again how gorgeous this game is and how much I love seeing these characters interact and be sweet with each other. 😊
I remember in Remake, when Dan fought Rufus not knowing what attack to use, my first thought was "It's got to be Braver, right? Would suck to enter the boss fight and you're required to learn optional abilities, so probably the one guaranteed one." And now Dan is trying everything else again.
Can't complain, though. I beat Ganon in Skyward Sword not catching onto the one gimmick of the whole game of raising the sword skyward. Took me like half an hour to whittle him down with normal attacks xD
Missed opportunity to not have Aerith come in and hit someone with a chair again.
RETURN OF THE CHAIRITH!
This episode is a good reminder that when this game hits, it hits hard. Sweet and silly date scene? Battle rap intro? Donberries???? Game of the everything indeed.
You really should at least watch the other dates, they are all absolutely stunning in their cuteness.
49:47 I have never heard of this, yet I knew exactly who this was about 😂
I pulled up the comments as soon as I heard Dan's comment. Wanted to see what the comment section thought of it 😂
For the record, Rufus can fire his gun six times before he has to reload. Mobility shots, normal attacks, and named attacks all count. If he hits you, he will take the opportunity to reload early and reset the counter, but otherwise, you can always know when he's about to reload by counting his shots. Unless it's an unblockable (indicated by a red triangle), it's always better to block or parry his attacks. And Braver is the attack that staggers him instantly.
cloud making Aerith feel awkward is so freaking funny. god damn it boy
36:11 I mentioned before that this sequence is one of the most memorable from my own playthrough. This right here is a big part of why. I love that the Turks get involved, I love that Dio makes it a part of the festivities, and I love the timeout to make use of the provided facilities. It's all so fantastic.
Having said that, it was also very frustrating, having so many difficult fights back to back (to back), culminating in a solo rematch with Rufus that took me probably half a dozen tries. That difficulty combined with the over-the-top showiness involving some of my favorite characters really solidifies the experience as one of the most memorable for me.
The Rufus fight is the highest difficulty in this game. Even when you know the gimmick it is difficult to execute.
@@TimFranzke Is it still Braver or did they add some of the new abilities as weaknesses?
The way things go with Cait and Reeve glimpses in this game suggest to me that the reason Cait really helps them steal the keystone is thst Tsung is onto him as of the scene we see him changing the wanted posters. And he sat on that intel and told Rufus, who decided to play that card to force Reeve to cooperate. Alternately, I could see us finding out that Tsung used a threat to marlene/elmyra to force Reeve rather than Reeve using that threat on the party in the original... this might be a day early but... close enough.
I was so sure. I was so sure we were going to fight Dinotank.
We had this setup in the previous game, and we fought Hell House.
Crushed. I am crushed.
49:57: "It's me, Austin!" "Aw, sonuva b****!" "It's me, Austin! It was me, all along, Austin!"
SPOILER-ISH FOR 3:51
"Hey! You two should kiss!"
Wow, I can hear that
i love the delivery of "and yet here we are"
So Rufus does actually have an ammo count with bigger attacks consuming more ammo, but it's very often hidden because he will take the opportunity to reload any time it's safe for him to do so. This includes any time you're staggered or knocked over. He's a tough fight. I wish there were more enemies leading up to him that had that level of reactionary awareness to clue you in that it's something to expect and look for.
Reminds me a bit of Godfrey in Elden Ring, when he goes full Tekken. No other boss in the game has attacks you're forced to JUMP over, then suddenly he does but only in phase 2 and they're super brutal.
@@Ahrpigi Crucible Knights are supposed to teach you to jump over ground attacks. Even backed up by lore: they campaigned with Godfrey.
@@andrewgutmann9432 300 hours and I never knew Crucible Knights had anything to jump over. 🙂 Everything they have can be blocked or rolled through, unlike Godfrey's stomp that hits you through shields and s.
Some Skywheel Date differences that some might appreciate:
Cait, Cid, Vincent: Cait panics at the space battle outside and Cid... tries to evade it. Ultimately, none of the boys want to be on the ride (Cid particularly is miffed that he can't actually steer the thing) and Cait grabs his megaphone to beg to get off.
Barrett: Barrett tries to shoot at the spaceships, and calls the Chocobo Racing Projections "in-kweh-dible" (Cloud is not impressed). We also get a sweet backstory dump when Barrett tells Cloud about when he met Myrna, as well as potentially Barrett trying to talk girls with Cloud
Red: Red starts doing the excited dog pant on the Skywheel. Also Red tells Cloud that he and Aerith haven't been able to see the future since Midgar, but still pleads with Cloud to keep her safe (potentially making Cloud shake on it, which gives Cloud the opportunity to see HOW SOFT his paws are). We also get a line in Old Red voice.
Yuffie: Cloud almost ditches her getting into the Skywheel, and Yuffie apparently forgot that she gets motion sick until it's too late. Yuffie asks Cloud about him and Tifa, and tells Cloud about her time meeting Zack (in Crisis Core). Also you get either: "Say something!" "...Something" or Cloud play fighting with Yuffie.
Tifa: the two are so busy with a courtesy ward they almost miss their gondola. Tifa also lies about talking to Aerith about Zack. Also other moments that I'm sure everyone's already heard about by now.
I love a chance to see Dan’s reactions to the other ferris wheel dates.
So much talk about in this episode! I think I’m going to go with the fight with the Turks, which I think is probably the one that is too many. If I have one consistent criticism of Remake and Rebirth, it’s that they both have a bit of a habit of inserting boss fights where there probably doesn’t need to be one. We’ve already fought Rude and Elena, twice if you do the Gongaga protorelic quest, and this one doesn’t really add anything to make it worth the repeat. Even the third Turks fight in Remake was at least our first duo fight with them.
I do really like the Rufus fight after it though, and that feels a bit harder to set up without it, so idk it’s probably worth it
What's Reno doing? Making it a 3v3 would have been more interesting than yet another Rude + Elena fight
@@AhrpigiRude mentioned in the mines he’s still recovering from the injuries we gave him in Remake. But as for why he hasn’t shown up at all yet, though: his Japanese voice actor died after Remake, and they didn’t want to recast for Rebirth out of respect. I believe they have for Part 3
@@XTheUnchosenOneX oh, dang. I forgot about that, that's a very good reason then... I also wonder if they'll make Tseng the only Turk you never battle again.
@@XTheUnchosenOneX buuut there he is in episode 70, after all. Oh well. 🤷♂️
@@Ahrpigilol, I didn’t want to spoil it! Apparently his Japanese lines were reused from previous recordings, I don’t think that’s true in English but his lines are still somewhat generic
I'm team Cloti, but this was pretty as well! Nice date!
What's wrong with Strifeheart for a ship name?
It's Braver. The attack that Rufus is vulnerable to is Braver. It's the one ATB command you're guaranteed to have access to, no matter how much optional content you skipped.
HE FORGOT?! DAN IT WAS THE SAME THING LAST TIME!
I actually screamed “WHAT DO YOU MEEEEAANNN?!!?” when he said he didn’t remember 😭
6:14 i think a good example my biggest issue with how the story seems to be going is right about here. Everyone KNOWS that Something is Wrong with Cloud, but no one seems willing to confront it directly. Not even Cloud. I feel like if anyone at all actually broached the subject directly it could have saved a lot of drama. Before now and later on.
It's weird to me that Corneo and his goons seem to have no reaction to seeing them at the tournament. I get that they wouldn't want to make it public like the announce team saying "oh yeah these guys beat us up like a month ago", but like a "you again!?" or a shocked look or something. Maybe they don't recognize them without their pretty dresses.
I do wish they had properly made it clear that your supposed to pick your third character before you enter the colosseum, because everyone assumed it was like every other arena battle where you select your character on the screen after selecting a match. The first time this happened to me, I had to "retry from last battle" to switch my party and then skip the cutscene to get back to the fight.
It was made properly clear.
3:14 Cloud, even I wouldn't make that mistake. You take the invitation.
4:15 It's Cloud's true superpower: a special level of social ineptitude.
5:14 This is a case of "kinda awkwardly uncomfortable now". Being told "hey, you're just like this other guy I used to date" is the least smooth Aerith has ever been in Rebirth.
5:30 At least she kinda saves it.
7:16 May not be my personal vibe, but still super cute. Landing stuck.
10:46 Downside of not wearing much: hard to hide bandages.
11:53 Corneo and his lackeys remain punchable as ever.
12:51 Yes, dan, the game expressly told you to pick a third -wheel- party member before saying you were ready. Specifically before.
16:06 I'm not often this grossed out, but Don Corneo and "fatherly love" don't belong in the same post code.
18:43 Thanks, I hate it.
24:31 Could this guy get any more disgusting? He's just the worst.
32:43 RIP AND TEAR! Then put him on a spike for the birds to eat.
33:06 You're a waste of Carbon. You deserve to be hanged by your entrails and your corpse paraded through Wall Market.
51:47 Having skimmed some comments... I can't call it terrible, but it's pretty bad. You may be guaranteed Braver, but "Braver" is shorter than "Certain attacks", is precise, and takes nothing away from the challenge of the encounter. There's no real reason to make it vague. Also, Remake was *4 years* ago, and remembering "the one move that solves that one fight" is not a reasonable expectation for the player.
Dan, you really should have just cheated and looked at the comments from the end of the last game to know that attack to use.
35:45 Ayyy Barret you called him the right name!! You were I guess still getting the hang of it back in Nibelhiem but now you've got it!
This Rufus fight is an absolute monstrosity tbh. The continuing opaqueness of the tips from Assess continues to cause problems and is WORSE this time around imo. My Normal mode win was only because I desperately used the Moogle Trio summon and that was so not the optimal play at all (I did NOT want to redo the Rude and Elena fight tbh). He is the number one reason I likely won’t do a full Hard Mode playthrough. >
Rebirth and original comparison by Playframe episode numbers:
Start to 35:57 - episode 21
Yeah as Dan says, it's a very broad strokes sort of adaptation. There's battles, but not against Corneo, the Turks, or Rufus. Also the order has been reversed, as you do the battles, then the date, then the Keystone is stolen.
Honestly, other than the battle with the Turks, it kinda feels like the dev team was like "well we gotta have a Corneo battle this time, and we gotta have another Rufus battle. Where do we put them?"
God I suck at the rufus fight. I did not do well with him in remake, and struggled during my first playthrough here.
Thats not so bad, but he has absolutely brickwall stopped my hard mode run. He demoralised me completely 😂 no other boss even took 5 attempts (gi nattak was the closest at 4) then this guy shuts me down for 2 days of attempts. I haven't returned yet 😂
Remake had him surprisingly vulnerable to status effects. In Hard Mode, I was able to use Sleep (once per fight) and Stop to easily beat him once everything lined up.
@LadyLunarSatine I did overcome in remake, including hard mode, after a couple of tries. But he's learned from that fight and is now immune to slow stop and sleep. The brute.
46:20 Did Tifa... dodge Aerith's Curaga?
She gets healed a moment after the Phoenix summon cutscene, so I think it was just delayed because she was far away, then delayed again by Dan immediately initiating a long cutscene that freezes the fight.
For just a second after that Don Corneo fight, I thought Cloud was going to leave Aerith hanging with the high five again. But it was more of a dramatic pause.
Character growth!
so, I think the Gold Saucer theme might be a Baroque Fugue this time, which really works well with a number of other time signatures and rhythms to interweave. I think it's entirely intentional.
OKAY. that could have been a neat thing in the first game, the two announcers rapping.... I have a grin on my face, because that's old school.
ahhhhhhh I like this variation....
.... boom ba boom.... is this terminator, tron or Final Fantasy?
49:56
wait, really? what the heck
Rufus' reload window is still too short.
You know, a lot of this game's romantic subplot issues could be resolved through polyamory... have Cloud x Tifa x Aerith. Problem solved!
51:42 - As with Remake... you are in this fight with ONLY Cloud.
You learned additional attacks depending on equipped weapons, but equipping any particular weapon was OPTIONAL.
There is ONE attack Cloud STARTS the game already knowing.
There is ONE attack they KNOW for sure you have available.
There is ONE attack tied with cloud's SIGNATURE WEAPON.
There is ONE attack that, above all others, is CLOUD'S SIGNATURE ATTACK (only arguably competing with Omnislash, which is NOT available in either fight).
I feel like at this point in the game I wasn't really using cure spells much anymore, I mostly just used mist gigapotions which I had pretty much capped out on
I feel like Braver is thee Cloud attack so “certain attack” can mean nothing other than that to me so it’s crazy to me that Dan’s thought process isn’t the same 😭 especially because it’s one of his most used Cloud moves
Dan: "You're interrupting my good moves. So rude."
Me: "No, that Elena."
💙
All Elena had to do was pretend to throw the Keystone so Red would go after it.
3:56 ....Okay. Bravo writers, bravo.
7:58 Agreed.
9:28 Game: Pick your third party member before entering battle.
12:48 Dan: *surprised he needed to pick a third party member before battle*
I didn't realize it at the time but Scotch is voiced by one of my favorite VAs, Greg Chun.
After all the side questing, fun as it can be, it's nice to get back to the absolute blast of insanity that the main story provides!
When I played I got the "date" with Nanaki and tbh I kind of like that better than this one, even though this one has more story in it (incomplete story unfortunately, 6:18 Aerith why are we still refusing to communicate c'mon, anyway). But I think my preference just comes from this Aerith one has that romantic texture to it which I'm not a fan of and feels weird to me with Cloud who I still see as Aro and the game (and fans) keep pushing him in these situations
Cloud isn't aro, though? He and Tifa share an intimate moment near the original FFVII.
Headcanons are nice but that’s all they are without significant evidence. There isn’t evidence for this given Cloud canonically has romantic feelings for both Aerith and Tifa (and arguably others but I’m not diving that far into argument hell today).
@@Caterfree10 In these two games anytime Tifa or Aerith have presented anything of the romantic sort of feelings towards him he is either oblivious or visually uncomfortable, at no point that I've noticed has he shown those feelings himself. Whenever they're on a date as the game calls them it's aerith dragging him along and it's clear she sees it that way but Cloud is just spending time with his friend