52:21 Okay, here's where he lost me. I do think he made some great points but then he defines his own celibacy in contrast to what he terms 'bad celibacy' as romance with Christ. While I respect his conviction for staying true to the faith this sounds like the sort of thing that Christian girls say when they don't like a guy who asks them out; 'I'm dating Jesus.' We are collectively the Bride of Christ, not individually, which I think is very clear. I do think head and heart is an important concept and I'm probably a lot more like McLatchie in this regard as a 'head' personality type. Th other thing I disagree with is this viewing of yourself as a 'gift' to God. We're bondservants bought by Christ's blood, he already owns our entire being, it's just matter of living up to his calling on our life. Honestly find myself going back and forth during this video, he'll say one thing I'm all for, like founding more of a monastic sort of community(which I think of more in terms of living like the early church which we should all do), but then some theological concept that sounds completely off base.
I appreciate David's amazing testimony, witness, erudition, and love for people. Because of his personal experience and education--love the Foucault reference!--he is able to relate to our well-educated LGBTQI friends and family. Often, LGBTQI folks reject Christianity outright because of the "gospel" they hear from uneducated and legalistic believers. Thank you!
I appreciate hearing this testimony, but I am overwhelmed by his self-absorption. He is so into his feelings and personal experiences that it seems almost narcissistic. It's also weird to criticize a bible translation using the term "sodomy" because it is pejorative. Actually, the bible doesn't hesitate to bash anything evil whether gluttony, slander, lustful thoughts etc. It often uses very offensive terms, especially in the prophets. He is still in the worldly mindset that he has the right not to be offended and that his experiences matter more than objective doctrines and values. Personal experiences matter a lot to faith, but his whole faith journey seems so subjective and emotional that I am really concerned.
Thanks for the points you made. It does take a long time to get out of those worldly mindsets. I still have few of my own i.e. I Idolize romance and marriage
TBF Sodomy isn't used in any contemporary translation regardless; homosexual is used in pretty much every Bible printed in recent decades. I think his concern is somewhat legitimate but I think the passage is generally understood to refer to patterns of behaviour that continue within someones walk. Eg drunkards doesn't apply to all who drink alcohol, it's specific to problematic addiction and dependency. We don't say anyone who likes alcohol is automatically an alcoholic. In the passage itself I do think Paul is indicating active and passive participants in homosexual behaviour so maybe that's the best option simply to be descriptive as Paul was in the original text.
Very admirable honesty!
52:21 Okay, here's where he lost me. I do think he made some great points but then he defines his own celibacy in contrast to what he terms 'bad celibacy' as romance with Christ. While I respect his conviction for staying true to the faith this sounds like the sort of thing that Christian girls say when they don't like a guy who asks them out; 'I'm dating Jesus.'
We are collectively the Bride of Christ, not individually, which I think is very clear.
I do think head and heart is an important concept and I'm probably a lot more like McLatchie in this regard as a 'head' personality type.
Th other thing I disagree with is this viewing of yourself as a 'gift' to God. We're bondservants bought by Christ's blood, he already owns our entire being, it's just matter of living up to his calling on our life.
Honestly find myself going back and forth during this video, he'll say one thing I'm all for, like founding more of a monastic sort of community(which I think of more in terms of living like the early church which we should all do), but then some theological concept that sounds completely off base.
I appreciate David's amazing testimony, witness, erudition, and love for people. Because of his personal experience and education--love the Foucault reference!--he is able to relate to our well-educated LGBTQI friends and family. Often, LGBTQI folks reject Christianity outright because of the "gospel" they hear from uneducated and legalistic believers. Thank you!
I appreciate hearing this testimony, but I am overwhelmed by his self-absorption. He is so into his feelings and personal experiences that it seems almost narcissistic. It's also weird to criticize a bible translation using the term "sodomy" because it is pejorative. Actually, the bible doesn't hesitate to bash anything evil whether gluttony, slander, lustful thoughts etc. It often uses very offensive terms, especially in the prophets. He is still in the worldly mindset that he has the right not to be offended and that his experiences matter more than objective doctrines and values. Personal experiences matter a lot to faith, but his whole faith journey seems so subjective and emotional that I am really concerned.
Thanks for the points you made. It does take a long time to get out of those worldly mindsets. I still have few of my own i.e. I Idolize romance and marriage
TBF Sodomy isn't used in any contemporary translation regardless; homosexual is used in pretty much every Bible printed in recent decades. I think his concern is somewhat legitimate but I think the passage is generally understood to refer to patterns of behaviour that continue within someones walk. Eg drunkards doesn't apply to all who drink alcohol, it's specific to problematic addiction and dependency. We don't say anyone who likes alcohol is automatically an alcoholic.
In the passage itself I do think Paul is indicating active and passive participants in homosexual behaviour so maybe that's the best option simply to be descriptive as Paul was in the original text.