@@wob4568 technically speaking,yes, but they were under much harsher conditions, with strict peacekeepers, labour in the sun, little to no food. The peacekeepers and officials were a lot more lenient in 12
@@ameliesmith3341 Since their production is agricultural the Capitol enforced the rules very rigorously there... hard to keep them starving if they are allowed for one second to think they can steal food from their 'betters'.
Peeta's score is actually very good at 8. Usually tributes from District 12 almost always score terrible points in the eyes of the capitol. Even Rue and Thresh should have been ignored, because they are part of the last to show off skills to the gamemakers, and they're tired of it by that point. And yet this 74th hunger games was quite impressive, as all four last tributes from District 11 and 12 got very good scores, even Rue at 7, which is an excellent feat for a twelve years old girl.
Especially since Marvel, the male tribute from District 1 (one of the Career districts) only scored 9 which seems surprisingly low for a young man who's supposedly been in training for the Games almost since he was born!
@@OreadNYC That year's Hunger Games went very unexpected for Snow. It all started with Katniss getting the score of Eleven, which was a first in the entire time since the games all began. I think Snow also was reminded of his girlfriend in Katniss. Both were from District 12 and were very strong women, and shared many, many similarities. Like when she sang The Hanging Tree. It must have been extremely reminiscing for Snow. I think Katniss was scared of Snow as Snow was scared of her. Thry both were total nemesis to the very end, but also deeply respected each other. No lies, no bullshit, pure hatred and yet pure respect. Collins' latest book confirmed that.
That bit with the kids playing with a fake sword has haunted me since this movie came out. It does such a good job showing the disparity between the capital and the districts. These kids are dressed up in fancy clothes that very few people even in career districts could hope to afford and running around making a game out of what for most districts children is a constant Terror that hangs over their lives. It's an incredibly brilliant little bit of filmmaking and a perfect example of how the medium of film can expand on a book that's being adapred.
The look on Mitch's face as he watches those kids is brilliant acting on Woody Harrelson's part. The anger, the resent, the pain, the horror all showing at once.
It carried painful memories of his win in the games and the eventual deaths of his family and girlfriend. Keep in mind also that he was sixteen at the time, which was the same age as Katniss.
Forgot if it was mentioned in the movie or book, but the high score either intentionally or unintentionally put an even bigger target on her back, so wasn't exactly doing her any favors.
it was in catching fire, her and peeta both got a perfect 12 to make people want to kill them more. i could be wrong but i’m pretty sure they gave finnick a 7, because they wanted him to survive the most since he was the darling of the capital
It wasn't all that bad in Katniss' case. It's more of a double edged sword. It put Katniss on the board as a target but also made her a note worthy candidates to the Sponsors which was actually their goal.
As someone’s else said, believe Haymitch mentions it in the book, in the movie I think it was mentioned by the game maker to put a target on her back, which is possibly around about snows talk about hope being stronger than fear and to contain it (in reference to Katniss’ score and said target)
iirc another reason capitol rated katniss so highly was to make her seem more threatening, so the other districts would pay more attention and single her out
Confirmed in Catching Fire when she and Peeta were both given perfect 12 as a score. That would make them prime targets for the other tributes, especially considering the others were past victors.
She showed in the movie why rated a 7 not much for fighting but obviously knew camouflage and evasion that kept her alive a lot longer than most 12 year olds normally would
One of my favorite changes from the books is Caesar's commentary throughout the movie. In the book, we're told about the world through Katniss' thoughts, but movies hardly ever find a good way for that to carry over. Caesar providing commentary for things like the parade, the scoring, the tracker jacker nest, and the alliances formed throughout the Games made it very easy for both book readers and movie-only's to easily integrate themselves into the world the movie gives us. Not to mention, I wouldn't mind having more of it.
@csiampos - you raise a good point. In fact, the other side of that point is exactly why the Lynch version of Dune did so poorly. Everything in THAT movie was inside Paul Atreides's head as a voice-over because there was no shot at having a real narrator.
Plus, it works with the book plot and character. He's CLEARY portrayed by Katniss as a constant in the games, there to make the tributes shine as much as possible.
@@hannahlesniewski1419 Yes, but it was more dangerous for Peeta then Katniss. Everyone already know that Katniss is someone that need to be killed before she could kill them, but they seem Peeta as that nice, less dangerous one so for him getting 12 especially after having 8 year before was huge progress and put bigger target on his back.
yes, he does, and it upsets Katniss because it was going to make it harder for her to get him home, had it not been for the rebels plot to break them out
Katniss and Peeta were both rated 12 because Snow was using the games to kill them and squash the rebellion forming. The high scores made them bigger targets to the others.
So the leaderboard in the beginning actually shows the age, height and weight of all the tributes. Clove was only 15, which makes it even more impressive how she pretty much was the 2nd most dangerous carrier (Marvel and her are pretty even)
Last 3 districts? But aren’t the last three districts 10, 11, 12? Because Rue, Katniss, Peeta are part of those and they weren’t 17 or 18 during the 74th Hunger Games. Unless I’m misunderstanding your comment aha
@@Luke_05 Nono, you're correct here, Rue is 12. I misread and forgot that. Though, Katniss' and Peeta's age is really hard to make out on the leaderboard. If they did not change the age of them, then you're correct, they are at least under 18 (maybe 17, i haven't read the books in a while)
and not just that. she was 5'4 and weighed 100 pounds, making her the shortest of the careers and almost a full foot shorter than the tallest (marvel at 6'3). in fact, she was 5 inches shorter than katniss and weighed less than her (katniss at 5'9 and 122 pounds), but was still able to pin her down and keep her there. (and i'm going to have to disagree with you on that last point. for one, i don't think marvel is all the way up there in being one of the most dangerous careers, i think 2nd place would have to go to cato. and then clove isn't the 2nd most dangerous, she IS the most dangerous. i bet on my life that she could take out everyone there with ease.)
@@Pebble_Kitty In the book it is the exact opposite though, she was around 150-200 pounds and was overall larger than Katniss. Katniss in the book is only around 5'5" and 100 pounds, this makes much more sense to how Clove could pin her down in their fight
Her score most definitely put a target on her back. With the highest score she became the one they had to beat so they wanted her dead more than anyone
Most definitely but it’s kind of a double-edged sword because yes, while having a higher score puts a target on your back, it also makes you notable to sponsors and could provide a deterrent for weaker tributes to not want to engage.
Being not in the games is even better, I can't imagine dying from getting impaled, Stabbed to death, Getting my throat slashed, Getting a spear straight from my chest or stomach or an arrow in my chest or stomach or even the throat, and getting my neck broken😬😬😬
@@ambassadorbruh1200 It is a double-edged sword. Katniss had a big target on back because the careers would be after her...being she had the highest training score....it's like a death sentence the gamemakers game her....(Clove in particular hated her for it. Being she was trained and volunteered....and a mere District 12 tribute got higher score than her. Bruised her ego. Even agreeing to keep Peeta alive...just to get to Katniss. As he can be a way to lure her out.) But at the same time....sponsers in the Capitol will notice you...and want to protect you with sponser gifts...as they believe you have a strong chance to win.
okay but foxface got really underestimated here, she got a really low score of 5 i think and she survived longer than most people here who had way higher scores(considering getting more points is much harder based on your skill) but to me i think they thought foxface would just die off the start or be one of the first… however she did really good and held her own for good time, i really do think she could of possibly won if it wasn’t for those berries or the mutts being released..
I think she commited suicide because she didn't want to die a gruesome death, she's really intelligent so it doesn't make sense that she wouldn't know about those berries
I'm pretty sure she got a low score on purpose, having a high score draws attention l, especially from dangerous characters, she didn't want attention so she intentionally scored low
@@b56soumili89 I think it's explained in the book that those berries only grows in district 12 and weren't part of the training so there's no way she knew about them
Okay, not even the focus of the video but literally one of the most chilling and disturbing scenes for me in this movie: the little boy being gifted a sword and then chasing his sister with it. Like this innocent scene yet in juxtaposition with the hunger games is just...
I think it was in Catching Fire, but I remember a really disturbing scene where a little girl looks Katniss in the eye and tells her she wants to win the hunger games like she did.
Same feeling. Like for a second it is cute. Then so much hits you like the fact that the kids in the Capitol are play acting at the violence that they love to watch but will never be subjected to unlike the children of the districts.
I just noticed Caesar's pause before reading Katniss' score. At first it seems like he's about to give a low number but then he doesn't. I'd guess nobody has scored higher than 10 in quite a long time at that point, especially not someone from 12.
I’m so confused on how Katniss got such a small amount of sponsors, she had the best score and a pretty good interview but she didn’t really get as much sponsors as I thought she would’ve
She had no allies and this game had extreme talent we just didn’t see it because some of the heavy hitters like Jason from 6 and district 4 female died quickly. Not to mention district 10 male, thresh, foxface, etc
@@zacharystfu I would’ve figured that the audience likes underdogs though, and because she got the best score that’s why I thought they would sponsor her more
I always attributed to the fact that the capitol citizens were betting as seen with odds board. Even with the trainers score her odds and Peetas were something like 23-1. The long odds mean fewer people would have placed bets on 11 to win kinda like with horse betting. If youve bet on one participant you wouldnt help another. THis limits his pool of sponsors drastically.
In the books she had loads of sponsor, like the cream medicine and the feast that was sent to them near the end, also, perhaps, hay Mitch was being resourceful
0:07 betting odds on Peeta & Katniss were each 83-1? You know there had to be 1 dude in the capitol who parlayed them together and the bookie was like "uhh, what do you mean parlay? there's never been 2 winners" but they took his $ anyway and then he cashed at +688800 odds
Scoring a low score is just as bad as scoring a high score. If you scored a low one, you would be an easy target as the tributes would know you are the weakest, so, they’d come for you. On the other hand, being the highest score was also very big disadvantage, as the others would see you as a threat and try to eliminate you as soon as possible, especially career tributes (the most ruthless and experienced tributes in the games who generally have been training in their districts since childhood).
And some use it to their advantage. Like one past victor as we find out in Catching Fire. Johanna. She got a low training score on purpose....so she would be seen as weak. To hide her true skills. And she waited until a certain amount of tributes left. As she used her axe....to kill the remaining to claim victory. This isn't something even mentioned in the film adaptation. As there's only so much they can do and have to leave out others.
the scene which is of course not in the book but in the film only with Haymitch who sees the young people of the Capitol playing the Hunger Games is masterful because for them these are games but for Haymitch it is reality
Good spot. Exactly the same odds as Glimmer, which (despite her quick death), seems ridiculous. Probably an oversight on the directors part but I am wondering how so many other tributes had high odds. Loads of people on 7-1, 8-1, 9-1, 10-1 (Districts 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11) - are these odds based off age and weight or what?
If you compare it to horse racing, especially at that point in the movie (before the training scores are revealed), Rue having good odds makes sense. Like horse racing, the odds on the board are likely calculated not based on the chances of that contestant winning, but based on the ratio of bets placed on that contestant vs. the others. In the early phase of the betting, before any statistics have been released, it makes sense that the ones who receive more bets are the ones who appear as sympathetic (since the Capitol views the entire thing like a game). Since Rue is so young, in the early phases of betting she probably got a lot of long-shot and sympathy bets, while Peeta and Katniss, being from district 12 and much older, didn't really garner interest until their scores showed them as viable threats.
In reading this scene in the book, I felt so bad for Peeta. He downplayed his skills because he had resigned himself to dying. He didn't think he knew anything that could save him, but he talked up Katniss because he cared about her. The Gamemakers were bored and drunk when his turn came, but he played by their rules and came out with an impressive score. Katniss was angry and impulsive, and she gave the Gamemakers a reason to be scared. Up until that point, she and Peeta made a fairly equal showing, but then when her score was released, everyone celebrated her and ignored Peeta. Basically, because the contest pits tributes from the same district against each other, her success could mean his death. Even Katniss talks about this concept.
Bruh the last time I watched this I noticed something. So the very first frame of this video has Rue at 60-1 odds to win the whole thing while they’re at the gym. Then they leave and go back to their hotel rooms I assume? Well whatever happened between the gym and the next scene, you can see on the big board 2 shots later that Rue is 7-1 odds to win the whole thing. Which is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Katniss and Peeta’s odds lmao at like 27-1 or something
I'm not. His score is amazing. In the books, Katniss explains that District 12 usually get a lower score. What means, that Peetas score is still great, although Katniss is better. But that's the point of the whole franchise.
They say 8 - 10 is what career tributes get so it's actually a good score. 8 also shows sponsors you've got a chance at winning, without being too much of a threat to other tributes (then you become a target to be killed)
Actually it’s a pretty good score and even if he gets a lower score than 8, it’s still good because other tributes specially the careers won’t see him as a threat that’s why they made an alliance with him to find Katniss so having a low score can be an advantage too
@@Laura-vs8bb I think the original commenter meant how 8 is very good but nobody seemed to notice and just celebrated for Katniss instead but otherwise yeah I agree with you
Yes! In the books they didn't cheer when she got an 11 because Haymitch knew they gave her an 11 so she would become the #1 target of the other tributes. Getting an 11 was a bad thing, not something to be cheered. Glad someone else picked up on this. 😁
Gotta give it up to Collins and the screenwriters irl and the oddsmakers in-story; the training results numbers were decently accurate. Katniss (11) won the whole thing; Kato (10) made it to the final three; Clove (10) and Thesh (9) also got deep into the Games; Rue (7) made it about, what, like 3/5 of the way? They might've overestimated Glimmer (10), who died maybe 2/3 into it, and severly underestimated Foxface (5), who was one of the final five or six. Peeta (8) outperformed his number a bit due to his cunning and alliances.
Yeah but then again when it comes to Glimmer: I don't think the oddmakers or the people betting on her were expecting the genetically mutated bee bomb to kill her. A pretty common thing to happen that can screw up bets and predictions is outside factors/the unexpected happening and ruining things. And as for Foxface: I think she made herself get a low score on purpose to stay off the radar from the Career Tributes. As long as they were focused on Katniss, they weren't paying attention to Foxface. And she was arguably the most unpredictable of the tributes giving how little we know about her.
Marvel:9 Glimmer:10 Clove:10 Cato:10 Amber:4 Noah:4 Finch:5 Breck:8 Marina:9 Dean:9 Tamora:5 Jason:4 Maple:7 Wallace:6 Lee:8 Savvanah:6 Rye:4 Demetria:4 Susan:10 Timmer:7 Rue:7 Thresh:9 Katniss:11 Peeta:8 Edit:Glimmer had a 10 and more info,District 4 male had 8,District 10 female had a 10
rue and the boy from district 4 got really great scores for their age they are both 12 and rue got a score of 7 and the district 4 boy got a score of 8(this was confined to be his score if you look at his wiki)
@@kevinthunder3375Yeah, or at least skipped P+K's last names when they are mentioned together with the other tributes. This way is just silly (in an otherwise great scene+movie).
I would be pretty interested in seeing odds for each tribute. In the table, we see a list of odds for the first five districts, but this already adds up to a probability of more than 1 (1.06), so it is impossible. I'd like to see how the tributes' training scores as well as their district origin dictated their odds and chances of winning, especially for the careers (Cato's probability of winning was 1/4, and I want to know how accurate that is).
Of course, there is the question of whether those were normalized or non-normalized probabilities. If non-normalized, they don't have to add up to 1. And they might have been normalized against past contests, which again doesn't have to add up to 1.
Late comment but those are betting odds, just above them it says 'current odds'; betting odds show how much money you can win rather than the probability of winning (although the odds can give an indication of likelihood, it's just usually a bit skewed).
I’d love to know what Peeta did to get an 8 lol. His main strength is just being strong and painting. I like to picture it was like the NFL combine and he just repped out 225 on the bench
if you've only seen the movie, recall the training scene where he picked up the massive ball weight and hurled it across the room. im remembering that his showcase was something along the lines of him throwing a bunch of those weights around and showing is camo paint skills
Did you see those camouflage skills though, painting himself like a rock, I mean that was MAD lol. More realistically, though, strength is obviously useful in the Games, especially for hand-to hand combat.
@@omarbaba9892 You see what I would do is A. NOT LIKE KATNISS (maybe i would do it for my friend) B. If I was chosen do what I'd Presume Fox Face does.
@@MASViper I personally like to believe that she purposely ate the poisonous berries. Earlier she had seen seeing all types of plants safe to eat. Also she might have done that to look like an accident knowing that she probably could not win agansit cato,threash,petta, or Katnniss and decided to et the berries as she didn't want her family watch her die so brutally. Either that she was hallucinating and was thinking the berries were safe to eat.
Not this time! Yeah it makes her a target but for the first times it was genuinely because Seneca liked her spunk, he also loved the star crossed lovers story and did everything wrong which is why he was executed at the end. It’s why everyone was happy with katniss score here. It’s more in catching fire where they both give Peeta and katniss a 12, which is them deliberately putting a target in their backs and no one is happy with the scores. Haymitch is even disgusted by them
@@invincible5579 I thought nobody before Katniss and Peeta scored 12? Like I expected some Carrers in the past to score 12, you know scoring was introduced after 10th games so there were 62 games (11th-73th)-that's a lot and I don't think that no Career scored that high.
Everyones tlaking about rur having a 7 and impressive and 12 years old but District 4 male(breck) has an 8 in the books 12 in the movies ,13 in the books
@@S--yo3zrnot this time, it’s because Seneca genuinely liked her. It was part of the reason why he was executed because he played into the love story and things, he liked katniss which is why everyone was happy here. The deliberately putting a target on her back was in catching fire, when they gave both Peeta and katniss a 12 and they genuinely pissed the gamemakers off. No one was celebrating the high scores this time and Haymitch was actually disgusted by what they done. If it was the same thing here the team wouldn’t have been so happy, they aren’t stupid
Actually our company found out that there is little if any correlation between training scores and actual results. Therefore our decisions whom to sponsor are never based on training scores.
I actually made, fake names for the tributes and for the named ones last names. District 1: Marvel Beanie (Male) Glimmer Osaka (Female) District 2: Cato Hadley (Male) Clove Kentwell (Female) District 3: Chroe Vidopnir (Male) Nocia Tronic (Female) District 4: Hook Lumers (Male) Marina Roseapeak (Female) District 5: Jonan Macer (Male) Linea Tuffert (Female) "aka Foxface" District 6: Jason Kwolis (Male) Geah Weirtson (Female) District 7: Bierc Setis (Male) Cacia Abalanca (Female) District 8: Wacke Iastill (Male) Rennie Longloe (Female) District 9: Nael Zaldra (Male) Kenta Myph (Female) District 10: Shard Quince (Male) Ressica Colvis (Female) District 11: Thresh Cacher (Male) Rue Hommertson (Female) District 12: Peeta Mellark (Male) Katniss Everdeen (Female) This is for the 74th Hunger Games
She's supposed to be Portia-Peeta's stylist who works together with Cinna to design all of Katniss and Peeta's outfits before the games to impress the Capitol crowd
@@laurenmaxell5917 You don't know how odds work. 60-1 means your payout is 60x your buyin, 11-1 is 11x your buyin, and no casino on the planet is gonna give you a bigger payout for a bigger chance of winning. The higher the risk, the higher the payout. Risk goes up, odds get worse, chance of winning goes down. Thresh had about 6 times the *payout* because his odds were about 6 times likely to win.
Can we talk about rue getting a 7? She’s 12, little training, under fed and from the poorest district! It’s amazing
Isnt district 12 the poorest district?
@@wob4568 technically speaking,yes, but they were under much harsher conditions, with strict peacekeepers, labour in the sun, little to no food. The peacekeepers and officials were a lot more lenient in 12
@@ameliesmith3341 Since their production is agricultural the Capitol enforced the rules very rigorously there... hard to keep them starving if they are allowed for one second to think they can steal food from their 'betters'.
As long you can walk, you are given a 6
@@fromis.9 how do you know this? I didn’t know and I’m just curious
I like how no one in the games has a last name except Peeta & Katniss.
HAHAHAHHAHA FUCK SO TRUE!!!
not until catching fire. we had johanna mason and finnick odair
Katniss Mellark
I think they did it that way because they were the only names Katniss remembered in the book not bothering to remember the last name.
haymitch abernathy
Peeta's score is actually very good at 8. Usually tributes from District 12 almost always score terrible points in the eyes of the capitol. Even Rue and Thresh should have been ignored, because they are part of the last to show off skills to the gamemakers, and they're tired of it by that point. And yet this 74th hunger games was quite impressive, as all four last tributes from District 11 and 12 got very good scores, even Rue at 7, which is an excellent feat for a twelve years old girl.
Especially since Marvel, the male tribute from District 1 (one of the Career districts) only scored 9 which seems surprisingly low for a young man who's supposedly been in training for the Games almost since he was born!
@@OreadNYC That year's Hunger Games went very unexpected for Snow. It all started with Katniss getting the score of Eleven, which was a first in the entire time since the games all began. I think Snow also was reminded of his girlfriend in Katniss. Both were from District 12 and were very strong women, and shared many, many similarities. Like when she sang The Hanging Tree. It must have been extremely reminiscing for Snow. I think Katniss was scared of Snow as Snow was scared of her. Thry both were total nemesis to the very end, but also deeply respected each other. No lies, no bullshit, pure hatred and yet pure respect. Collins' latest book confirmed that.
Don’t forget about District 10! They’re another district often ignored by the capital, and they scored very well too!
@@kezkriune wait what did District 10 get?
@@hi-ls6lt 8 for the boy, and 7 for girl. At least according to the wiki.
That bit with the kids playing with a fake sword has haunted me since this movie came out. It does such a good job showing the disparity between the capital and the districts. These kids are dressed up in fancy clothes that very few people even in career districts could hope to afford and running around making a game out of what for most districts children is a constant Terror that hangs over their lives. It's an incredibly brilliant little bit of filmmaking and a perfect example of how the medium of film can expand on a book that's being adapred.
That scene has always stuck with me as well
The look on Mitch's face as he watches those kids is brilliant acting on Woody Harrelson's part. The anger, the resent, the pain, the horror all showing at once.
It is a direct illusion to how Haymitch was nearly disemboweled during the finals of his game and how he nearly died were it not for the force field.
It carried painful memories of his win in the games and the eventual deaths of his family and girlfriend. Keep in mind also that he was sixteen at the time, which was the same age as Katniss.
Too bad the rest of the film is just okay overall. It was just only a decent adaptation of the book
Peeta scores 8
And Effie just says “we can work with that”
That was the scene that made me love her lmaooooo
I love her so fuck*** much haha xP
She sounds so comforting. Peeta was happy after that.
“THAT IS MAHOGANY”
@@belenmckeagney5952 lol 😂
I wish women would tell me that more ;-;
Forgot if it was mentioned in the movie or book, but the high score either intentionally or unintentionally put an even bigger target on her back, so wasn't exactly doing her any favors.
it was in catching fire, her and peeta both got a perfect 12 to make people want to kill them more. i could be wrong but i’m pretty sure they gave finnick a 7, because they wanted him to survive the most since he was the darling of the capital
Intentional. There are no accidents when one entity has this much power over lives.
It wasn't all that bad in Katniss' case. It's more of a double edged sword. It put Katniss on the board as a target but also made her a note worthy candidates to the Sponsors which was actually their goal.
Yeah Haymitch mentioned the downside in the book
As someone’s else said, believe Haymitch mentions it in the book, in the movie I think it was mentioned by the game maker to put a target on her back, which is possibly around about snows talk about hope being stronger than fear and to contain it (in reference to Katniss’ score and said target)
iirc another reason capitol rated katniss so highly was to make her seem more threatening, so the other districts would pay more attention and single her out
Confirmed in Catching Fire when she and Peeta were both given perfect 12 as a score. That would make them prime targets for the other tributes, especially considering the others were past victors.
Yea in the books it's said or heavily implied that they were marking her as a threat because she shot an arrow at the judges indirectly
ok but 7 for rue is really good especially for a 12 year old
Ikr
She showed in the movie why rated a 7 not much for fighting but obviously knew camouflage and evasion that kept her alive a lot longer than most 12 year olds normally would
@@davidbullock1101 And she could climb trees
One of my favorite changes from the books is Caesar's commentary throughout the movie. In the book, we're told about the world through Katniss' thoughts, but movies hardly ever find a good way for that to carry over. Caesar providing commentary for things like the parade, the scoring, the tracker jacker nest, and the alliances formed throughout the Games made it very easy for both book readers and movie-only's to easily integrate themselves into the world the movie gives us.
Not to mention, I wouldn't mind having more of it.
@csiampos - you raise a good point. In fact, the other side of that point is exactly why the Lynch version of Dune did so poorly. Everything in THAT movie was inside Paul Atreides's head as a voice-over because there was no shot at having a real narrator.
Plus, it works with the book plot and character. He's CLEARY portrayed by Katniss as a constant in the games, there to make the tributes shine as much as possible.
Thank heavens they hired Stanley Tucci, he did this role so well, so convincingly.
Peeta apparently scored a 12 in catching fire after painting a picture of rue in order to put a big target on his back.
if i remember correctly they both do.
@@hannahlesniewski1419 Yes, but it was more dangerous for Peeta then Katniss. Everyone already know that Katniss is someone that need to be killed before she could kill them, but they seem Peeta as that nice, less dangerous one so for him getting 12 especially after having 8 year before was huge progress and put bigger target on his back.
yes, he does, and it upsets Katniss because it was going to make it harder for her to get him home, had it not been for the rebels plot to break them out
Katniss and Peeta were both rated 12 because Snow was using the games to kill them and squash the rebellion forming. The high scores made them bigger targets to the others.
So the leaderboard in the beginning actually shows the age, height and weight of all the tributes. Clove was only 15, which makes it even more impressive how she pretty much was the 2nd most dangerous carrier (Marvel and her are pretty even)
Last 3 districts? But aren’t the last three districts 10, 11, 12? Because Rue, Katniss, Peeta are part of those and they weren’t 17 or 18 during the 74th Hunger Games. Unless I’m misunderstanding your comment aha
@@Luke_05 Nono, you're correct here, Rue is 12. I misread and forgot that. Though, Katniss' and Peeta's age is really hard to make out on the leaderboard. If they did not change the age of them, then you're correct, they are at least under 18 (maybe 17, i haven't read the books in a while)
and not just that. she was 5'4 and weighed 100 pounds, making her the shortest of the careers and almost a full foot shorter than the tallest (marvel at 6'3). in fact, she was 5 inches shorter than katniss and weighed less than her (katniss at 5'9 and 122 pounds), but was still able to pin her down and keep her there.
(and i'm going to have to disagree with you on that last point. for one, i don't think marvel is all the way up there in being one of the most dangerous careers, i think 2nd place would have to go to cato. and then clove isn't the 2nd most dangerous, she IS the most dangerous. i bet on my life that she could take out everyone there with ease.)
Eh I’d say thresh is probably second dangerous
@@Pebble_Kitty In the book it is the exact opposite though, she was around 150-200 pounds and was overall larger than Katniss. Katniss in the book is only around 5'5" and 100 pounds, this makes much more sense to how Clove could pin her down in their fight
Peeta: scores 8
Everyone: ayyyo
Katniss: scores 11
Everyone: WHOO HOOOOO YEAH
Peeta: ;-;
I feel bad for you the last name "Cummings" must suck
@@Hannieversary imagine saying what's your name 'im cumming'
@@Hannieversary so uncalled for 😭
@@Hannieversary Bruh why you gotta do them like that-😳💀
Seriously speaking, Peeta will dread that because that means that Katniss' head will be highly-sought by the other tributes.
Her score most definitely put a target on her back. With the highest score she became the one they had to beat so they wanted her dead more than anyone
Most definitely but it’s kind of a double-edged sword because yes, while having a higher score puts a target on your back, it also makes you notable to sponsors and could provide a deterrent for weaker tributes to not want to engage.
Being not in the games is even better, I can't imagine dying from getting impaled, Stabbed to death, Getting my throat slashed, Getting a spear straight from my chest or stomach or an arrow in my chest or stomach or even the throat, and getting my neck broken😬😬😬
@@johannsebastianbach9003 You forgot one thing...
TRACKER JACKERS
@@cameraredeye3115 YOU
@@ambassadorbruh1200 It is a double-edged sword. Katniss had a big target on back because the careers would be after her...being she had the highest training score....it's like a death sentence the gamemakers game her....(Clove in particular hated her for it. Being she was trained and volunteered....and a mere District 12 tribute got higher score than her. Bruised her ego. Even agreeing to keep Peeta alive...just to get to Katniss. As he can be a way to lure her out.)
But at the same time....sponsers in the Capitol will notice you...and want to protect you with sponser gifts...as they believe you have a strong chance to win.
okay but foxface got really underestimated here, she got a really low score of 5 i think and she survived longer than most people here who had way higher scores(considering getting more points is much harder based on your skill) but to me i think they thought foxface would just die off the start or be one of the first… however she did really good and held her own for good time, i really do think she could of possibly won if it wasn’t for those berries or the mutts being released..
I think she commited suicide because she didn't want to die a gruesome death, she's really intelligent so it doesn't make sense that she wouldn't know about those berries
I'm pretty sure she got a low score on purpose, having a high score draws attention l, especially from dangerous characters, she didn't want attention so she intentionally scored low
@@b56soumili89 I thought she just got the nightlock thinking they were edible
@@b56soumili89 they explained her death much better in the books
@@b56soumili89 I think it's explained in the book that those berries only grows in district 12 and weren't part of the training so there's no way she knew about them
Okay, not even the focus of the video but literally one of the most chilling and disturbing scenes for me in this movie: the little boy being gifted a sword and then chasing his sister with it. Like this innocent scene yet in juxtaposition with the hunger games is just...
I think it was in Catching Fire, but I remember a really disturbing scene where a little girl looks Katniss in the eye and tells her she wants to win the hunger games like she did.
Same feeling. Like for a second it is cute. Then so much hits you like the fact that the kids in the Capitol are play acting at the violence that they love to watch but will never be subjected to unlike the children of the districts.
Foreeal, they've never had to live it, and it makes me sick too
I overlooked the meaning of that, thanks for pointing out that detail
And the fact that for Haymitch, it brought back really bad memories since he’s a survivor of the Hunger Games.
Just realized that Panem is definitely USA.
They still use imperial unit.
It's all of north America
Not to mention the books specifically say that district 12 is located in Appalachia.
@@zeptozetta3792 yep and the Capitol is in the Rockies
Are there other countries in Panem?
@@jasonhenry8067 some part of canada as well
I just noticed Caesar's pause before reading Katniss' score. At first it seems like he's about to give a low number but then he doesn't. I'd guess nobody has scored higher than 10 in quite a long time at that point, especially not someone from 12.
its the first time since games started someone get 11
Do you know what the highest score someone could get?
12.@@Aemilius46
@@emilylewis5373I thought it was 13?
@@kevinharrell9293no since there are 12 districts scores go from 1-12
"To Katniss Everdeen, the girl who was on fire!"
Peeta: *oh and what am i, a roach?*
Peeta is the boy with the bread
So this is what Hughie did before joining the boys
Asian Katniss: score 11
Her parents: where is the other 1 point?
😂
I’m so confused on how Katniss got such a small amount of sponsors, she had the best score and a pretty good interview but she didn’t really get as much sponsors as I thought she would’ve
She had no allies and this game had extreme talent we just didn’t see it because some of the heavy hitters like Jason from 6 and district 4 female died quickly. Not to mention district 10 male, thresh, foxface, etc
@@zacharystfu I would’ve figured that the audience likes underdogs though, and because she got the best score that’s why I thought they would sponsor her more
@@highonsugar6273 yeah ppl just didn’t wanna unnecessarily risk money ig
I always attributed to the fact that the capitol citizens were betting as seen with odds board. Even with the trainers score her odds and Peetas were something like 23-1. The long odds mean fewer people would have placed bets on 11 to win kinda like with horse betting. If youve bet on one participant you wouldnt help another. THis limits his pool of sponsors drastically.
In the books she had loads of sponsor, like the cream medicine and the feast that was sent to them near the end, also, perhaps, hay Mitch was being resourceful
0:07 betting odds on Peeta & Katniss were each 83-1? You know there had to be 1 dude in the capitol who parlayed them together and the bookie was like "uhh, what do you mean parlay? there's never been 2 winners" but they took his $ anyway and then he cashed at +688800 odds
He was probably then killed by Snow
@@adamalmshref3130 "The house always wins"
Scoring a low score is just as bad as scoring a high score. If you scored a low one, you would be an easy target as the tributes would know you are the weakest, so, they’d come for you. On the other hand, being the highest score was also very big disadvantage, as the others would see you as a threat and try to eliminate you as soon as possible, especially career tributes (the most ruthless and experienced tributes in the games who generally have been training in their districts since childhood).
So to keep people off your back is to make sure that your score is somewhere in between?
@@coolvideos5113 Correct
And some use it to their advantage. Like one past victor as we find out in Catching Fire. Johanna. She got a low training score on purpose....so she would be seen as weak. To hide her true skills. And she waited until a certain amount of tributes left. As she used her axe....to kill the remaining to claim victory. This isn't something even mentioned in the film adaptation. As there's only so much they can do and have to leave out others.
although Johanna did use it to her advantage as none of the tributes targeted her because of her purposefully fake low score
the scene which is of course not in the book but in the film only with Haymitch who sees the young people of the Capitol playing the Hunger Games is masterful because for them these are games but for Haymitch it is reality
“ marvel, with a score of *n i n e* “
- Stanley Tucci, 2012
I love how the cinematography on each hunger games Movie
Changes slightly more darker and darker
0:07 Rue has 7-1 odds there. That makes no sense. Also Katniss and Peeta have 23-1 odds.
Good spot. Exactly the same odds as Glimmer, which (despite her quick death), seems ridiculous. Probably an oversight on the directors part but I am wondering how so many other tributes had high odds. Loads of people on 7-1, 8-1, 9-1, 10-1 (Districts 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11) - are these odds based off age and weight or what?
Can someone please explain how these odds work? I don’t really understand them... Is it the lower the first number the higher the chances at winning?
@@ellaadair yes. Roughly, 7-1 odds means that out of every seven games. They should win one. 23-1 means out of every 23 games. They should win one.
@@lukecrumpton7305 Oooh, now i get it, thank you :)
If you compare it to horse racing, especially at that point in the movie (before the training scores are revealed), Rue having good odds makes sense.
Like horse racing, the odds on the board are likely calculated not based on the chances of that contestant winning, but based on the ratio of bets placed on that contestant vs. the others.
In the early phase of the betting, before any statistics have been released, it makes sense that the ones who receive more bets are the ones who appear as sympathetic (since the Capitol views the entire thing like a game). Since Rue is so young, in the early phases of betting she probably got a lot of long-shot and sympathy bets, while Peeta and Katniss, being from district 12 and much older, didn't really garner interest until their scores showed them as viable threats.
Always enjoyed hearing the end of this scene “To Katniss Everdeen, the girl on fire!”
In reading this scene in the book, I felt so bad for Peeta. He downplayed his skills because he had resigned himself to dying. He didn't think he knew anything that could save him, but he talked up Katniss because he cared about her. The Gamemakers were bored and drunk when his turn came, but he played by their rules and came out with an impressive score. Katniss was angry and impulsive, and she gave the Gamemakers a reason to be scared. Up until that point, she and Peeta made a fairly equal showing, but then when her score was released, everyone celebrated her and ignored Peeta. Basically, because the contest pits tributes from the same district against each other, her success could mean his death. Even Katniss talks about this concept.
Seeing all this and what goes into the games after the Snow prequel is fascinating. They evolved so much over the years
Bruh the last time I watched this I noticed something. So the very first frame of this video has Rue at 60-1 odds to win the whole thing while they’re at the gym. Then they leave and go back to their hotel rooms I assume? Well whatever happened between the gym and the next scene, you can see on the big board 2 shots later that Rue is 7-1 odds to win the whole thing. Which is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Katniss and Peeta’s odds lmao at like 27-1 or something
If your talking about 0:54 that’s her training score
Feel sorry for peeta
I'm not. His score is amazing. In the books, Katniss explains that District 12 usually get a lower score. What means, that Peetas score is still great, although Katniss is better. But that's the point of the whole franchise.
They say 8 - 10 is what career tributes get so it's actually a good score. 8 also shows sponsors you've got a chance at winning, without being too much of a threat to other tributes (then you become a target to be killed)
Sme, but at the same time that's still a good score for D12. But at the same time they could have done a toast to him as well
Actually it’s a pretty good score and even if he gets a lower score than 8, it’s still good because other tributes specially the careers won’t see him as a threat that’s why they made an alliance with him to find Katniss so having a low score can be an advantage too
@@Laura-vs8bb I think the original commenter meant how 8 is very good but nobody seemed to notice and just celebrated for Katniss instead but otherwise yeah I agree with you
I would have been announced a -1. They'd be like, this girl has no survival skills and we all want to kill her.
If you think about it, they purposely made her a target by giving her an 11. They knew every district was watching that shit live.
Yes! In the books they didn't cheer when she got an 11 because Haymitch knew they gave her an 11 so she would become the #1 target of the other tributes. Getting an 11 was a bad thing, not something to be cheered. Glad someone else picked up on this. 😁
This tiny little girl without any training getting a 7 shoulda clued someone in that Rue had some serious hidden talent
Gotta give it up to Collins and the screenwriters irl and the oddsmakers in-story; the training results numbers were decently accurate.
Katniss (11) won the whole thing; Kato (10) made it to the final three; Clove (10) and Thesh (9) also got deep into the Games; Rue (7) made it about, what, like 3/5 of the way?
They might've overestimated Glimmer (10), who died maybe 2/3 into it, and severly underestimated Foxface (5), who was one of the final five or six. Peeta (8) outperformed his number a bit due to his cunning and alliances.
Nice analysis!
Yeah but then again when it comes to Glimmer: I don't think the oddmakers or the people betting on her were expecting the genetically mutated bee bomb to kill her. A pretty common thing to happen that can screw up bets and predictions is outside factors/the unexpected happening and ruining things.
And as for Foxface: I think she made herself get a low score on purpose to stay off the radar from the Career Tributes. As long as they were focused on Katniss, they weren't paying attention to Foxface. And she was arguably the most unpredictable of the tributes giving how little we know about her.
Marvel:9
Glimmer:10
Clove:10
Cato:10
Amber:4
Noah:4
Finch:5
Breck:8
Marina:9
Dean:9
Tamora:5
Jason:4
Maple:7
Wallace:6
Lee:8
Savvanah:6
Rye:4
Demetria:4
Susan:10
Timmer:7
Rue:7
Thresh:9
Katniss:11
Peeta:8
Edit:Glimmer had a 10 and more info,District 4 male had 8,District 10 female had a 10
Glimmer got a 10 and the movies' bonus material says the same thing
And people say Glimmer was weak🤦🏻♀️she had 4 kill counts
She got a 9?? Everywhere I've looked has said the same
rue and the boy from district 4 got really great scores for their age they are both 12 and rue got a score of 7 and the district 4 boy got a score of 8(this was confined to be his score if you look at his wiki)
He scores an 8 in the novel because he’s a career tribute in that. In the movie he scores a mere 5.
@@ElmoElmoSWAZILAND Not that it mattered, he dies at the Cornucopia in both adaptations.
S/o Hughie for getting a 9
Anyone else wanna talk about the odds that was given to district 12 on that board? 83-1. People made a MINT off them.
so are katniss and peeta the only tributes that have last names?
katniss doesnt remembero others name. Remember the book is by katnisses view
She doesn't even learn Marvel's name until Catching Fire during the Victory Tour.
@@wolfie8748yeah, but it looks very weird in a movie and def stands out. They could have just asked Collins for last names or made em up.
@@kevinthunder3375Yeah, or at least skipped P+K's last names when they are mentioned together with the other tributes. This way is just silly (in an otherwise great scene+movie).
I would be pretty interested in seeing odds for each tribute. In the table, we see a list of odds for the first five districts, but this already adds up to a probability of more than 1 (1.06), so it is impossible. I'd like to see how the tributes' training scores as well as their district origin dictated their odds and chances of winning, especially for the careers (Cato's probability of winning was 1/4, and I want to know how accurate that is).
Of course, there is the question of whether those were normalized or non-normalized probabilities. If non-normalized, they don't have to add up to 1. And they might have been normalized against past contests, which again doesn't have to add up to 1.
Late comment but those are betting odds, just above them it says 'current odds'; betting odds show how much money you can win rather than the probability of winning (although the odds can give an indication of likelihood, it's just usually a bit skewed).
Crazy how they fr took them from their normal lives and basically made them celebrities until death.. like this was their “Survivor”
Thinking about how the guy who plays Marvel is now the main character (Hughie) on The Boys
*katniss scores a 11*
WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO YEAAAAAAAHHHHH
peeta: congratulations ;-;
Did anyone here clicked on the vidoe because they saw hughie from the boys when the suggestion came.
love this whole sequence so qell acted so well done
They really missed out an opportunity to cut back home to district 12 to see her family friend's reaction l
The only thing that bothers me about this scene is Thresh's score. In the books, they gave him a score of 10 but here they give him a 9. Why?
That might of just been a mistake on their part.
Not the sword as a gift to a capitol child though 😭😂
But what I really wanna know is… are ya gonna go my way?
wat
@@literatemax lol it’s Lenny Kravitz
😂
0:35 Just realized that Marvel is played by Jack Quaid a.k.a Hughie from The Boys
01:41 Congratulations. You will faster kill me than the other way round.
I’d love to know what Peeta did to get an 8 lol. His main strength is just being strong and painting. I like to picture it was like the NFL combine and he just repped out 225 on the bench
if you've only seen the movie, recall the training scene where he picked up the massive ball weight and hurled it across the room. im remembering that his showcase was something along the lines of him throwing a bunch of those weights around and showing is camo paint skills
Did you see those camouflage skills though, painting himself like a rock, I mean that was MAD lol.
More realistically, though, strength is obviously useful in the Games, especially for hand-to hand combat.
Now that's what I call a record breaking score🏹🔥
Wait, foxface got only five!? If I were one of the game makers, I would say…… 7 or 8
Fox face in my opinion intentiliny tried to get a low score so she would not perceived as a threat.
@@MonkeyBanjo7 that’s what I’d do
@@omarbaba9892 You see what I would do is A. NOT LIKE KATNISS (maybe i would do it for my friend)
B. If I was chosen do what I'd Presume Fox Face does.
The only downfall for Fox Face is her lack of knowledge. That's how she died, eating poison berries.
@@MASViper I personally like to believe that she purposely ate the poisonous berries. Earlier she had seen seeing all types of plants safe to eat. Also she might have done that to look like an accident knowing that she probably could not win agansit cato,threash,petta, or Katnniss and decided to et the berries as she didn't want her family watch her die so brutally. Either that she was hallucinating and was thinking the berries were safe to eat.
rue slayed in training
Peeta came close to killing an 11…
"i thought they hated me"
yeah girl they hated you enough to get you targeted by the rest of the districts especially the careers
Not this time! Yeah it makes her a target but for the first times it was genuinely because Seneca liked her spunk, he also loved the star crossed lovers story and did everything wrong which is why he was executed at the end. It’s why everyone was happy with katniss score here. It’s more in catching fire where they both give Peeta and katniss a 12, which is them deliberately putting a target in their backs and no one is happy with the scores. Haymitch is even disgusted by them
You can see why he never expected to live
Little did they know next thing the careers be targeting katniss
They're tallied score is 19. No way they could fail with that.
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sorry peeta-
I think it’s funny how none of the other tributes were given last names.
You can tell he was jealous
It was not for nothing that Hugh wanted to be like Kythnes. He survived and entered the world of supers)
What's Hughie doing in that background?
0:33 is that Hughie?
Is He????
Thats what im wondering lol
Yup it is
Yes. His names jack quaid
How did that boy from District 4 get an 8. He wasn’t allied with any of the careers.
In the book 4 was a career district as well with 1 and 2. Idk why it changed in the movies.
0:34 wait is that Hughie from The Boys?
Why nobody ever scored 12?
Ever in a history of HG?!
There was once a 12 it was haymitch he is way more skilled then you would believe, they majorly down played him in the films.
@@invincible5579 I thought nobody before Katniss and Peeta scored 12? Like I expected some Carrers in the past to score 12, you know scoring was introduced after 10th games so there were 62 games (11th-73th)-that's a lot and I don't think that no Career scored that high.
@Bully Maguire Yeah and then Finnic scored low as Finnic is the Capitals Favorite. (So they would not get targeted.)
@@invincible5579 very true why reading the books is more important than the movies
You’d wonder how someone as smart as Foxface would get such a low score
Well what would she show? There aren’t many things to show off intelligence in that room. Just skills
Omg when he was like congrats
Nooooo peeta Thats sad
How my mom rates my sister over me:
Thats sad praying for you
Everyones tlaking about rur having a 7 and impressive and 12 years old but
District 4 male(breck) has an 8 in the books 12 in the movies ,13 in the books
I never realized hughie is in this movie
They gave her 11 just so the others doesn't have a choice but hunt her down
no because she shot an arrow to the gamemaker.
that's an act of courage so she deserves it.
@@cjbantilo1666 Thats what they said .. the truth is something else.
@@S--yo3zrnot this time, it’s because Seneca genuinely liked her. It was part of the reason why he was executed because he played into the love story and things, he liked katniss which is why everyone was happy here.
The deliberately putting a target on her back was in catching fire, when they gave both Peeta and katniss a 12 and they genuinely pissed the gamemakers off. No one was celebrating the high scores this time and Haymitch was actually disgusted by what they done. If it was the same thing here the team wouldn’t have been so happy, they aren’t stupid
Is that first tribute Hughie from the boys 😂
okay but haymitch at the beginning
Rue with better odds than Katniss lol
She has 60-1 and Katniss 23-1
@@gustavpeter840 7-1
Why does the movie treat this like a good thing? In the books it's a punishment to get the other tributes to target her.
In the movie it is also a punishment however it’s also made clear that she will get more attention and thus a larger likelihood for sponsor gifts.
Actually our company found out that there is little if any correlation between training scores and actual results.
Therefore our decisions whom to sponsor are never based on training scores.
If you look closely on the scoreboard, they swapped Rue and Thresh!
I adore Effie and Cinna!!
I actually made, fake names for the tributes and for the named ones last names.
District 1:
Marvel Beanie (Male)
Glimmer Osaka (Female)
District 2:
Cato Hadley (Male)
Clove Kentwell (Female)
District 3:
Chroe Vidopnir (Male)
Nocia Tronic (Female)
District 4:
Hook Lumers (Male)
Marina Roseapeak (Female)
District 5:
Jonan Macer (Male)
Linea Tuffert (Female) "aka Foxface"
District 6:
Jason Kwolis (Male)
Geah Weirtson (Female)
District 7:
Bierc Setis (Male)
Cacia Abalanca (Female)
District 8:
Wacke Iastill (Male)
Rennie Longloe (Female)
District 9:
Nael Zaldra (Male)
Kenta Myph (Female)
District 10:
Shard Quince (Male)
Ressica Colvis (Female)
District 11:
Thresh Cacher (Male)
Rue Hommertson (Female)
District 12:
Peeta Mellark (Male)
Katniss Everdeen (Female)
This is for the 74th Hunger Games
Osaka? She didnt look Asian.
But they have last name. Search on wiki
Katniss more like catpiss
shout out to the 4’8 short king from district 4
and with that sweet score of 8
who was that blonde in the room with everyone?
She's supposed to be Portia-Peeta's stylist who works together with Cinna to design all of Katniss and Peeta's outfits before the games to impress the Capitol crowd
What is katniss and peeta's couple name? Peeniss?
Ever hear of WilliamTell?
Don’t ask why I gave her an 11
your meant to be dead bro
Why does catching fire have no training scores? I know they would get high rating but i would atleast want to know
0:36 lol jack quaid
Kinda annoyed me they only cheers 🍻 for katnis😴 but besides that not a bad scene
Pweta and katniss has 83-
Why does Cato thinks he is him?
Peeta + Katniss = Peeniss 😂😂😂
How tf are Rue’s odds to win better than Thresh’s?
They weren't though. She had 60-1 Thresh has 11-1. Meaning Thresh odds were about 6 times ass good.
@@laurenmaxell5917 You don't know how odds work. 60-1 means your payout is 60x your buyin, 11-1 is 11x your buyin, and no casino on the planet is gonna give you a bigger payout for a bigger chance of winning. The higher the risk, the higher the payout. Risk goes up, odds get worse, chance of winning goes down. Thresh had about 6 times the *payout* because his odds were about 6 times likely to win.
what “-1” scores mean? Like is 5-1 good?
I think it’s betting odds of winning