Minor correction: JWs don't believe that Jesus is God, or part of god. They don't believe the Trinity. This correction doesn't substantially change your point, but if you have the misfortune of talking to JWs, you have to be pedantic, or else they ignore your main point and focus on your minor mistaken understanding. In addition to not believing the Trinity, they also don't believe in a tormenting fiery hell. Their belief is that hell == being dead, non-existence, forever. Source: I was raised in the JW religious cult. Love your videos. Keep 'em coming!
Peter Mosier I was raised as a JW too. Yes they would turn back to the hell point. But, as you said, it doesn't change the fact that it still makes no sense. I am so glad to be free of the JWs and judeo-christian beliefs. This guy does an excellent job of explaining the absurdity of it all.
+Peter Mosier Then the JW god is much more merciful than the christian god. At least he lets you get away. He doesn't torture you for rejecting his evil, he simply allows you to cease existing. That still makes him horrifically evil, but much, _much_ less so than the christian god.
My grandparents are/were devout JW's and my grandpa has told me in the past that I am going to hell. My grandma was in the hospital with pneumonia, they kept telling her she needed blood but she kept refusing. Het lungs never failed, her heart stopped because it was under too much stress trying to get oxygen around her body with such little blood. So they're devout enough to die for their believes and they've made it clear they believe I will be in hell after I die.
Thank you, I'll use those linked passages. I did feel at the time he was attempting to scare me into compliance....religious people love to attempt to scare people with lies. He did make it clear that he won't be in hell, but he's pretty convinced that he will be one of those god brings back, or something like that. I enjoy the hitchens quote, "They know everyone dies, but they believe in their case an exception can be made."
Peter Mosier First off I tried telling these bone heads that JW's were not Christians because they deny the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, mainly Jesus was created by God as a helper, he is not part of the Godhead, they reject the trinity, they believe in annihilation of the soul and that there is no hell. I was raised JW, 3rd generation, although i knew from a young age that JW's were wrong, it did not stop me from digging deep, with intense studies in etymology and hermeneutics along with history to fully understand the written Word of God. I think you ex-JW's would agree that JW is a cult and not Christianity, along with catholicism, even JW's viewed the RCC correctly as the anti-christ, and also with mormonism, which is probably the worst of them all as most LDS are involved in Free Masons as they share the same rites rituals and ideals. I study all religions, this hiith guy and many other here called me a liar for tellign them this all, i think you guy can attest to what I say...using a JW book to disprove Christianity is ridiculous. I would also like to remind these atheists that argue there is more than one sect of so-called christianity that it proves it is wrong, there are varying ideas of atheism too, some believe in evolution, some aliens, etc.... so that line is a load of horse shit. regardless non of these so called atheist apologists have one thing wrong, they argue against a book they have never fully read, and this is why got caught in this trap of using cult books to back up their atheist position... it would be like me choosing the most outlandish and ridiculous book on atheism to prove how ridiculous they were and then march around like I was so smart... that's what is going on here. Also we must remember that since were are arguing about the Christian God, then it must be kept in that context, so the God of Christianity is *omnipotent, omnipresent, & omniscient.* That is the very definition of Christianities God, so not one human being can even remotely think as this God, so pretending to know exactly how this God thinks is impossible , I always hear the same old, how can this loving God take away life... well the best answer is, who better to take a life than the one who can give it back! Anyways... I have much much more to say on this , but one thing is for certain, trying to battle Christianity by using cult literature like JW's RCC, LDS, shows their stupidity and not lack of belief, but lack of knowledge, which isn't as hard to figure out as this hiith and the rest here make it.
Religion describes a behavior set up around worshipping a deity/supernatural being with rules, rituals and creeds. Christianity fulfills all those requirements. A relationship is a two way interaction. God seems weirdly absent from that relationship if you go by the behavior of most religious people. Words have meaning. Get educated about it!
he is not torturing us, he send us to Hades, because they are no place for sinners in heaven and outside of light is darkness. That's the place he doesn't want us to be.
Another thing that doesn't add up for me is, if Jesus was sacrificed for our sins to be forgiven then why are we still born in sin and have to pray to and worship god for our sins to be forgiven again? This makes Jesus's sacrifice pointless.
@@jeremiah9722you picked out the word worship when he fully said worship and pray. The point is why pray for forgiveness if he died for your sins. The death should symbolize the forgiveness sacrifice…. Which would render our prayers for forgiveness redundant.
i’ve had this very same problem with believing in Christianity my entire life. It just does not add up. I used to ask people in the church to explain it to me and they really couldn’t. They were stumped.
from what my dad told me god sent jesus,he died for the sin of adam as we were meant to be like adam till he sinned. We are meant to be immortal but he disobeyed god so had to be punished with death which is why he told him he will die in a day. What jesus died for was the sin of adam as we are son of daughters of adam so we inherited the sin but because jesus died for our sins we are now meant to be immortal but inorder for this to happen we need to die and go to the grave and wait for judgment day when people die no one actually goes to heaven we go to the grave and wait for judgment so when people say they r going to heaven no they arent lol
So... It's like if a judge made the law and made people such that they could break it, then tormented them for being his faulty creations by his own bad design, drowned most of them, then impregnated a random woman and finally allowed these sinning people to kill his own son. And that made him forgive them???
I laugh when Christians try to convince me that Jesus made a noble sacrifice to save me. He's an immortal god. You can't die if you're immortal, which means he didn't die. So he didn't sacrifice anything, except maybe a three day weekend.
@@IsaacLikesGameswell why not? Why should we know something that is created by someone who is more divine etc. Ants can’t comprehend what humans do, so we shouldn’t comprehend everything what a god does in general. Then we wouldn’t have faith.
You've got to question a religion in which the central and supreme being - turns itself human just to sacrifice itself to itself to save its own creations from the wrath of itself.
God's Warrior Its a fairy tale written by Neanderthals who knew nothing about how the world works. Soon all these Abrahamic religions will be extinct like Greek Mythology, Egyptian Dieties, Aryan Thor Gods, Etc. They will turn into a Disney movie lmao. Weak minded fool. Its hilarious how you justify a "God" that punishes what he created.
Whenever I ask a Christian how three days of death can equate billions of eternities in hell, they always say Jesus was an infinitely large sacrifice, so it balances out. I never know what to say after that.
It wasn't even three days. He was crucified on a Friday evening, and rose from the dead on Sunday morning. So at most, HE was "dead" for about 36 hours, not 72 hours.
What you don't take into consideration is that God still suffers today. His heart is always broken because he is so well-acquainted with unreciprocated love.
Our Grieving Lord, Your god suffers? that's a weak god you have there. Everything from sin to flooding the earth to becoming his own father in human form so he can die to save his creation from himself - is totally his fault. no excuses. Think of the billions and billions of lives that are/will be lost. He deserves the broken heart and so much more!
Logic doesn't get all the answers, belief in Jesus Christ gives you assurance that you don't need all the answer and that you don't have to worry about knowing it all
@@Pizzalover21 I met super man yesterday he even took me to the sky’s , defeated Planet destroying villains and introduced me to all the other justice league members. This is totally true my guy. Now you don’t need logic or prove or evidence you just have to BELIEVE.
this is something I have been thinking about recently, i completely agree with you. here are my thoughts on the matter: firstly, jesus did not commit suicide, he was crucified. secondly, suicide is a sin. thirdly, if Jesus was such an amazing and inspiring person would it not be better if he had lived so he could inspire more people? also, I really don't see how him dying resolved everyone else of their "sins".
Think about this: Why did Jesus teach self-mutilation as a solution to avoid going to hell.....when He knew he was saving everyone from hell by dying on the cross?
Anti-theist Atheist Not to be a prick, but we don't know if Jesus was ever a real person or not. But we can say that the story in the bible is pure bullshit. It was the Romans who would of killed Jesus, in one of the most painful ways to completely disgrace him. They would not of let Jesus to of been taken down just because of a Jewish holy day and they such as hell wouldn't of given him the honor of a tomb. They did every to take away the honor of the people sent to death this way.
You are basing your reasoning on a false assumption. 1) He did not sacrifice himself. 2) His son was created by him and he loves him as any Father would. 3) People killed his son. 4) They were both in agreement to allow these events to happen so we could be saved. 5) there is nothing men can do, that the Father cannot undo. 6) Why did the Father allow men to kill his Son? To prove how wicked mankind can be, and how loving They are? Why is mankind so wicked? Mankind was created to live by laws that promote love. When men reject those laws they become unloving. Slaves to base desires and unright thinking History is the proof!
Michael Deo Man wasn't created, we evolved via natural processes and we continue to evolve.. Man creates laws in an attempt to live together peacefully. Man is human, we aren't perfect. History is proof of this.
I literally had this exact conversation with some christians yesterday. I really think they hadn't ever questioned the sacrifice logic before, or even thought about questioning it. Don't think I convinced anyone, but I definitely got some of them to question their beliefs a little.
That means that those Christians have yet to learn more about God and secondly God doesn't work like a human he's logic is not something humans can always understand, that's what differentiates man from God
@@Pizzalover21 Ahhhh the good old excuse. God is god therefore he’s beyond our understanding. 🤣🤣🤣. You can literally justify any nonsense using this argument.
@@peacefulman9369 yes but if you read he's word some of your questions would be answered but of course you would rather just talk without having any experience, or research
What we have here is the "God of the Gap phenomenon." Religion can only exist in a bubble of ignorance called FAITH. The problem with science is that it keeps filling the gaps with knowledge thus narrowing the space in which religion can play its games. Why does the sun rise in the east and set in the west? Because every morning the god Helios puts the sun in his chariot and rides it across the sky. That worked wonderfully until some blasted scientist proved that the earth rotated giving the illusion of the Sun rising and falling. OK, but if God didn't create the animals, where did they come from? Evolution. Drats! Christians like to stump atheists with some question: How could the universe be created from nothing? "Well," says the atheist, I don't know how that happened or even if it did happen." "There," says the Christian. "It could only happen at the command of GOD." Your ignorance has just been filled with God. Of course, the Christian's proof is FAITH.
Look into islam my brother, I promise you will not regret it. Everything adds up in islam, it is simple, and the holy book in Islam, The Quran, has been perfectly perserved for 1400+ years. You can look up about that more. The Quran has predicted things that would happen or were discovered centuries after it was already said in the Quran. Things like the expansion of the universe, etc. There is not one question you can ask that will go unanswered my brother. There is a reason Islam is the fastest growing religion in terms of conversion rates. If you have any questions my brother, just let me know.
My grandmother used to take me to Catholic church with her on weekends, my mom didn't believe, but she wanted me to form my own opinions, and we would talk about stuff later. It was time with my grandmother, but she helped me process things, helped me come to my own conclusions... I can't express how many times I got yelled at by priests for asking this stuff...
Here's another aspect to the whole "sacrifice" myth: it wasn't jesus' supposed death that "saves" us from god's wrath, but rather _believing_ in jesus' death. If you don't _believe_ that jesus died, then you don't get the benefit of that blood sacrifice. Why not? That means the "sacrifice" was meaningless. It also means that the ONLY "sin" that his death covers is the "sin" of not believing, which means that nothing else is really a sin. In other words, all xians are "forgiven" automatically because of their belief, and all non-believers are "condemned" automatically, regardless of any other action, including anything to do with the Fruit of Knowledge. That seems awfully convenient, right? So the religion creates the "sin" and then, by chance, it just happens to be the only way past the "sin". I don't see how anyone can look at this and not see the con job that it clearly is.
CASE IN POINT: The Creator allowed his anointed One to be murdered. God never said in the OT that the blood of his anointed one will be needed for the remission of sins. God requires of us to forgive others but we simply forgive with our hearts. God did not require us make an atonement for others in order to forgive. God doesn't do the same when somebody sins? Is that too much for God? You don't have to confess your sins and repent just because you believe in a human sacrifice as an atonement? In the New Testament, we read the atonement and the human blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins as well we also read the opposite in the NT that you need to repent and believe in the gospel otherwise you won't make it. So when is the human blood sacrifice relevant? if the NT tells you you need to repent and believe in the Gospel of the resurrection and God's kingdom in order to be forgiven of your sins...that"s it! Acts 2:38 However, where is that 'phrase" in the Old Testament as a messianic prophecy..."Word for Word"?????. Just as it was quoted as it was written by the prophets. If it was not quoted by the prophets then how reliable is that statement in the NT?Did the Creator really use a human sacrifice to forgive people's sins or Did the Creator use people's confession of their sins and repentance with a humble spirit for the forgiveness of their sins. Where did the concept of human sacrifice came from ... for the forgiveness of sins? What did the Messiah say regarding the forgiveness of sins? Mark 1: 15 Watch the video for more insights. If you are interested in animate lol don't click the link but you are interested in the real truth..please help yourself. ruclips.net/video/CzrWlONmk1k/видео.html
@@TorahisLifeandLight _"CASE IN POINT: The Creator allowed his anointed One to be murdered."_ -- First, you have to provide evidence that there is a"creator". Second, you'll need to provide evidence that he had an "anointed one". Third, you'll need to provide evidence that jesus actually existed and wasn't just a fictional character out of a book of fairy tales. Fourth, you'll need to provide evidence that jesus WAS actually this "anointed one". Fifth, you'll need to explain how your god could have stopped it, and sixth, you'll need to explain how jesus supposed death is any more relevant than the death of any other completely innocent person on earth. After that, we can get into the details of the fable.
@@dienekes4364 FIRST, my personal experience gives me the reasons to believe or justify my beliefs...my personal experience and research won't satisfy anybody but me. I don't have prove anything to you or anybody since you can't prove anything to me as an atheist you are. That's why talking to an atheist is a three ring circle. lol but here is my rebuttal anyway for the sake of entertainment. LOL SECONDLY, the "word anointed one" means something you don't know in the Hebrew culture because you know what Christianity believes but not what i believe in.....because I am not Christian. THIRDLY, the Bible is a historical document verified and reviewed by a peer group of Scholars which it itself is EVIDENCE. It's not a book which was never reviewed by anybody. That would be considered a fable book. The Hebrew Bible is a historical book not just a regular book written by some dude. So, you can find the biography of the Hebrew Messiah there and more things that have assisted many scholars in different areas of science...anyway, iam not talking about the Roman Messiah. That's Christianity my friend. Israel was a nation not a religion like most people think. So, the Bible was and is not just a historical book but a legal document for the Jewish people not gentiles. Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Point: the Hebrew messiah was murdered. There is nothing funny about that. Example: Just like if somebody will murder one of your family members, you wouldn't carry the gun or knife on your chest right? or you wouldn't believe that your relative's blood will save you from you faults right? You see ? Christianity is wrong to misinterpret the Hebrew Bible with these kind of absurd doctrines. No wonder ..they get so much criticism. His human sacrifice or blood atonement is a christian belief not my belief. That's not how the Hebrew Bible teaches it anyway. It's irrelevant if the Creator could have or not have stopped anything. Many Jews have been murdered unjustly. What difference does it make? Nice try atheist! Go and listen to more lecture garbage of bible scholars who are atheists. I know how atheists get their information. LOL It's hilarious and delirious to see how atheists love to hear lecture of Bart Erhman or others like him.
@@TorahisLifeandLight _"FIRST, my personal experience gives me the reasons to believe or justify my beliefs..."_ -- Except, it really doesn't, does it? Unless you think that there is not the most remote possibility that you might be wrong about something. Are you really that arrogant? Can you be SO conceited that you think you could never, ever be wrong about anything? But that doesn't even really answer the question, either. Do YOUR personal experiences justify MY belief in your bat-shit crazy superstitions? The answer is obviously no. _"SECONDLY, the "word anointed one" means something you don't know"_ -- You really are pretty arrogant, aren't you? Do you think you can read my mind? How do YOU know what *_I_* know? How do you know that I don't know more about this subject than you do? I've been studying this idiotic superstition for decades. Have you even read your holy book? I'm guessing not. _" THIRDLY, the Bible is a historical document verified"_ -- Really? Can you name even one thing in the bible that has been historically verified, or are you just regurgitating this mindlessly? I'm guessing the latter. There isn't a shred of evidence for the Exodus, for Moses, for Jesus, that the Hebrews were even in Egypt, for the tower of Babalon, for the Great Flood, the list goes on and on. Not one single shred of evidence. Oh, and before you say, "Well, there is proof that some random town mentioned in the bible was real at some point!", are you saying that the existence of Chicago proves that there is a wizard there named Harry Dresden? If not, then the existence of a town in a story doesn't prove shit. _"Nice try atheist!"_ -- Well, since I'm obviously succeeding, yes, a successful try is usually considered a nice try. As for you, nice failures trying to defend your position.
If a neighbour shoved a note under the door informing me he had sacrificed his pet parrot, I would want to move. There is no way I would consider this psychotic act a gift. I feel the same about the nut job Yahweh and his lust for human sacrifice as if it accomplished anything or justified the misery.
God the Father is not the same as God the Son. God can't die, also, there are things the Father cannot do that Jesus must do, and the Holy Spirit has His work as well in our Salvation that neither the Father or the Son can do. The Bible says in James 1:13 that, "...God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" But Jesus was tempted. And since the Father cannot die, Jesus had to take on human form so that He could die for us. Our sins caused Jesus to take this position. The wages of sin is death! For more: remnantofgod.org/trinity.htm
@Timothy Lei also if you want to add another personality that would be satan, that's why he can't destroy satan, it's because satan and him are both two sides of the same coin. You can't wipe the enemy out of existence if it is you. But then again I dont believe that bs.
I wanted to add, thank you for being sincere and producing your usual quality, logical video. You have definitely forced your viewers to take stock and question and express their own beliefs. Well done.
Haven't you read the Bible? It had a huge impact! The sun went dark, the earth opened up, the dead got up and started walking around. Unfortunately, nobody else seems to have noticed or thought the events were strange enough to write about.
GOD Pangea is a lie, lands don't float around, and looking at the Pangea map, Mexican is gone, some countries are upside down....Also once again another religious atheist who never read the Bible, thinks he can critique it, God is 3 in 1, it even says God raised him...lol please keep making a fool of yourself
David, So who was Jesus' Mom? Oh, wait, I know ... Mary ... but, but Mary became pregnant, and God never asked her permission to impregnate her, which makes God at least a spiritual "rapist". He only consulted her after the fact. Did God have a Mom? Can't remember any mention of here.
+SimpleGTA "The sun went dark" Its called the moon meaning night time "The earth opened up" Pangaea splitting "The dead got up and started walking around" "The dead got up and started walking around" Also how did no one write about it if its in the bible?" A fairy story's contents are not admissible as proof of it's factual validity. Otherwise we would have to believe in Hogwarts, the Gingerbread House, Mordor, and Empirical Death Stars. Nobody other than those under the god delusion wrote about it. Josephus, who documented even the most trivial aspects of life in Judea, didn't see fit to mention dead people walking the streets. An eclipse,m he failed to mention that either. Pangea splitting is plate tectonics, it began when the earth cooled enough for a crust to form...hardly a consequence of god dying. It is STILL happening by the way.
@@rudra20048 lol atheism is also a religion you’re fooling yourself you believe in nothing makes you jo different than an animal and these two have major differences
What also gives no sense is when people look at Christianity and see no logic in it, they turn their heads away from every religion instead of trying to find the truth, what is logical, and what actually gives sense.
I read them all and none of them make any sense. If logic is what drives you, starting by not believing is the way to go. Believing is accepting without unambiguous evidence. And that, in and on itself, is illogical. And when you read each and every religious book available with no prejudice, you quickly see how they make zero sense (unless you are born and raised in them OR you have a problem in your life and desperately need something to lift your burden).
If God is perfect, then how could he create something imperfect? Creating something imperfect implies that God is flawed in some way himself. If God is flawed, then he can't be God.
"If God is perfect, then how could he create something imperfect? " Nope, because it doesn't mean he made something imperfect by mistake. If he made something imperfect on purpose, his perfection isn't an issue. There are gazillion ways to question the idea of a (perfect) god but this one isn't one of them.
You have surprised me young man. I thought you were in your 40's. You had some much knowledge and expressed yourself so well I assumed you were closer to my age. Very smart....Keep up the good work.
To be honest, those ideas are dead simple and accessible early on. The fact that some people older than 40 can still think Jesus died for our sins is the thing that amazes me the most.
I have commented on this issue with a prominent atheist elsewhere. So I will use the text of this comment here. It is far more in volume than what persons in a public platform as this are accustomed to, or willing to plod through. But I often find it difficult to meaningfully participate in a discourse with persons on these issues, what is called "debates" are largely mental kickboxing in which the only objective is upmanship, and the rule "win at all cost". I solicit your patience, if the text at any point relates to any personal act intent, or position not expressed, please bear in mind it was addressed to another host. It begins largely verbatim in the next paragraph. We need to clarify something I believe to be important in a discourse with any expressed atheist, very few of them are truly clear or honest in their approach to the idea of a Supreme Intelligent being or Creator of all life and the universe. Few say they are not sure if there is a God. The point is that the majority is not a neutral group that says; WHATEVER!. They are seen to be too reactive always prepared for an argument, contentious, and often angry, not only about the existence of a God as Creator of all life and the universe, but maybe even more towards the God of the Bible and the Person of Jesus Christ set forth by Scripture as the 'Son of God'. The unfair approach of most atheists is expressed maybe unanimously as being free from providing reasonable grounds for their position that there is no God. They say the "burden of proof" is solely on the theist or Christian. The old arguments and cycle of repetitions continue. So on this, I will cite the words of a very prominent atheist who was also a famous scientist, Stephen Hawkins, he said: "ONE CAN'T PROVE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. BUT SCIENCE MAKES GOD UNNECESSARY". Here is one intellectually honest atheist, the first part of his statement "ONE CAN'T PROVE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST", proves what we always knew and expresses that the atheist position is neither based on science nor reasoning as they fanatically claim. Even worse than the Christians's position is that they unscientifically deny all of the presented facts and evidence of Creation and an intelligent Creator replete in the design of the universe. No wonder a wise person said: "IT TAKES FAR MORE FAITH TO BE AN ATHEIST THAN A CHRISTIAN". The second part of his statement is even more telling: "BUT SCIENCE MAKES GOD UNNECESSARY". this will be seen to be the root of the atheists' position, he is not really seriously concerned whether or not there is a God, rather he is opposed to the idea of having someone he imagines has higher authority over his life. If you were listening you would hear that the host of this channel was enjoying the freedom he claims to possess as an atheist. Ironically, atheists believe their free will makes them totally free even from any perceived Creator. The hypocrisy is that they are the ones who blame God because he is not seen to intervene in the physical realm to stop things they deem unpleasant or counterproductive to them. On this issue of "JESUS SACRIFICING HIMSELF..." as some absurd and ridiculous act, there is so much that cannot be addressed even mildly in a medium as this, but let us see if we can make a few fundamental points. The Person of Jesus Christ and His Mission can't be dealt with haphazardly without the grand scheme of God from the Old to the New Testament. The very thought of any human being trying to show that God's nature is flawed is what is utter absurdity and illogicality. Even though the host might claim he is not referring to God in personal terms because he is an atheist. But, there are things the human mind cannot avoid though it might claim liberation from the sentiments of lesser minds. How could the Creator of all life be seen to be indebted or dependent on mankind for things the natural mind perceives as important to God, such as worship love, etc. This IS WHAT IS BOUNDLESS ABSURDITY. First of all, it is at God's loss that He would have chosen to create human beings with free will. But what else could be a greater act of a Benevolent Creator? It is the greatest privilege, and of course, it carries the greatest responsibility and consequences. So wouldn't it then stand to reason that Human Accountability and Judgment would then become conditional with this exclusive privilege? What is the universal position of the atheist here? They are seen to charge God with being unwise if he is all-knowing, as he expressed that he had regretted making man. But don't the dumb animals also have free will, we see that they are largely ruled by instincts, but nonetheless have free will. A wild animal can kill humans and not always as prey, but God does not intervene observably to prevent these acts. Isn't it totally confusing that the human species with superior intellect which many atheists boast about as traits of superiority above their own kind, is seen to destroy their own kind in alarming proportions above that of wild animals? It is also absurd that most atheists never seem to be bothered by the fact that believed rational human beings continue even massive annihilation of humans in crimes of violence, terrorism, and worst of all military conflicts which are romanticized by not just Dictators but, multitudes of people who follow and worship political demigods as leaders. Yet many of these take issue with God. I continue with simple reasoning, though I can think of many Scriptures that speak perfectly to the bigotry and self-deception of the human mind. Maybe I should mention one here Jer. 17:9 THE HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, AND DESPERATELY WICKED WHO CAN KNOW IT? This is not referring to those we deem the most depraved among us, but the common man. Intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally immature minds will assume, that as they can arbitrarily dismiss, rationalize, and romanticize the tragedies of human existence, so does or should God. God is not arbitrary neither does he arbitrate. His Sense of Justice is transcendent. God did not simply put on a show with the Mission of Christ. It was the profound wisdom of God to hold every human being responsible for the decisions and actions of his own will. The entire Bible is consistent in documenting and revealing the marvelous unfolding of God's Plan for the Redemption of fallen man. Abraham was called to OFFER HIS "SON OF PROMISE" ISAAC. The very thought of this was beyond what any rational human could comprehend, but that was exactly the point, it was a Sacrifice of the Highest Cost, WHICH ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER FOR ANY FATHER, THE OFFERING OF YOURSELF OR YOUR SON?. That is a no-brainer for anyone, but the "narrative" as it is often referred to, is that he was offered no alternative. it was only upon the moment of action that he was stopped and offered a substitute. How many centuries was this act before Christ? Only the totally closed mind would consider the two acts totally unrelated, especially when it was the same God who spoke to Abraham, who was also the Father of Jesus Christ, seen to be the true "SON OF PROMISE" from the very beginning. Christ's death will still seem like something not quite real, as in truth He was not purely human, but even the mind not intellectually exercised will be seen to be far beneath its capacity, how much more what Scripture describes as the spiritually ignorant mind of man. 2 Cor. 2:14 BUT THE NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD; FOR THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM; NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. There is that word bandied about so much in this video, "FOOLISHNESS". Be sure this is not an evasive tactic by either God or the Gospel writers. Scripture tells us the FOOLISHNESS OF GOD IS GREATER or (WISER) THAN THE WISDOM OF MAN. The CRUCIFIXION IS NOT DRAMATICS BY GOD. It is the greatest courtroom evidence for the SALVATION OR CONVICTION OF MAN. If God put this on for drama he could not be a Just God, because it is not an act for which any human being shall be forgiven. Scripture reveals that ALL MEN INCLUDING JUDAS WILL BE GUILTY OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE ONLY PERFECT HUMAN BEING THAT EVER LIVED. The Blood of the Old Testament prophets is also MENTIONED IN JUDGMENT OF O.T people. But let even CHURCHGOERS REALIZE THAT TRUE CHRISTIAN SALVATION IS SERIOUS ABOUT THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST. The Lord's Supper in every church, is for this purpose as well. 1 Cor. 11:27 WHEREFORE WHOSOEVER SHALL EAT THIS BREAD, AND DRINK THIS CUP OF THE LORD UNWORTHILY, SHALL BE GUILTY OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD. It is not theatrics it is Evidence That Will Damn You for Eternity, Or Acquit You on A Plea of Guilt. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH JESUS? the human mind cannot fully comprehend the Cost of the Sacrifice by God, because as graphic as was the CROSS AND CRUCIFIXION. It was never physical death that caused God and Christ their real suffering. Few persons might fully understand that there is suffering that is worse than death for many. Life can be a worse sentence than death. This is why many foolishly blame God for what he chooses to do with human life, this is so simplistic. Some folks can tell what seeing certain things or even imagining them can do to them, it can even result in death. THE BIBLE TELLS US CHRIST WHO KNEW NO SIN NOT ONLY BECAME FLESH BUT BECAME SIN FOR US. SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONS CAUSE PERSONS TO EXPERIENCE EXTREME AND EVEN LIFE-THREATENING REACTIONS ON SIGHT OF THINGS, THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS NO PROBLEM WITH, THESE IN HUMANS MAY BE IDIOSYNCRASIES, PHOBIAS, AND AVERSIONS. The Bible tells us GOD CANNOT EVEN LOOK UPON SIN. But try to imagine that with a Holy God, HE EXPERIENCES TRUE SUFFERING TO EMBRACE INTIMATELY, WHAT OR WHO HE CANNOT EVEN LOOK UPON. All the best.
I couldn't bare to read your entire reply but I can understand that this topic will invite long winded replies. I would like to clear up something that you mentioned and that Atheists like to blame god for not taking action in certain situations, well in conversations we may give credence to the deity just for reference sake but this is only to explain how the concept of this deity doesn't make sense! As an Agnostic Atheist I can't blame something or someone that I don't believe exists. Blaming this deity for anything would be the equivalent of asking why Superman did stop the 911 tragedy! As far as Atheists saying that the burden of proof is on theists to prove that god exists and Atheists cannot prove an negative, well this is has to looked at from logical perspective. I wouldn't ask a Theists to prove that god exists because they can only provide evidence rather sufficient or not that I may receive as so and we Atheists can only present arguments as to why the evidence is not convincing to us. I hope this reaches you and is worthy of a reply and when I have more time I will finish reading the rest of your comment. Thanks for sharing 👍
"What Does the Bible Really Teach"? Damn, one of my friends in middle school was a JW. It makes so much sense now. Gave me that book (which I didn't read because I didn't care), didn't celebrate birthdays.
Bible says the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish, but to those who Believe it is salvation. Plus this guy already made up his mind to believe his way. You see this guy condemned his, He's seen God's will, but the bible is it's best answer book, we walk by faith, not by sight. He has questions, but turns down the answers. That is on him.
Jared Stansfield Where I live they do stop you and try to promote their filth. They even stand in some corners with a portable shelf fill with their propaganda.
I find the best thing to do is loudly and boldly start laughing uncontrollably, then pause and say, "You actually believe that nonsense?" Then continue laughing as you stroll away.
The part I find nonsensical is that all Jesus did to atone for our sins is die. Sure, that sounds flippant, right? But that's nothing special because god is already making us ALL die for our sinning. So for Jesus' 'sacrifice' to mean anything, we have to NOT die -- ie., live forever. Jesus was simply doing what absolutely ever human has ever done -- but Jesus wants special credit?
@@mariodiblasio8058 Really and all that because that's what you God wanted and decided. If your God could create a better universe or put his stupid forbidden fruit into another galaxy. He wouldn't be sending peoole to hell. Your God is the one set the rules that make people sinners. And what a nonsensical phrase. If all is forgaven. Why do Christians die then? You see how you can't fake stupidity in your religion l?
@@technobrain1461: He does Bill; in fact, not only He exists, but also He loves me... and He gave Himself for me... AND for you... AND everyone else on the planet. You are only responsible for yourself; your denial of Him cannot affect me or any other believer. God bless you.
Rembrandt: Hi Rembrandt; God can do whatever He wants to do. For instance, the 1.5 million babies, of various gestational age, that we kill every year (in this country alone) He transforms into little angels whom He takes with Him to Paradise. God bless you.
Rembrandt972: Was it magic that turned Rembrandt into a "magical" painter... or was it a talent from God? I give you one guess... and I bet He has one for you too. God bless you.
"will a mother EAT her own son? him she dandled on her knee? the apple of your eye" "they all lied,let him NOT cease" (save your son,dont eat him) lamentations 2-3 .......and you must eat my flesh and drink my blood...NT..Churches teach mary needed salvation too and had to eat him too...paul says he is chief of sinners and to bear with him awhile.........how will you bear with someone you've never met? how will "all nations "hate" one woman" ? inside of them...a woman they've never met but all will be made to hate? God to achieve his purpose will "make" all nations hate the woman/whore" what purpose making all hate one? to prove to them they are under mind control?
If anyone wants to truly understand why Jesus died, look into the original Christian thought behind this event, as found in the Eastern Orthodox Church. The JWs are Arians; they teach an old heresy known as Arianism that was formally condemned by whole Christian Church in the 4th century. God did not send Jesus to die to appease His bloodlust. Rather, God the Word, the "Logos" as He was understood as Christianity made inroads in the Hellenic world, became incarnate for us, lived a perfect life (thereby conquering sin itself and returning human nature to its original state) and died, thereby conquering death itself, the final conclusion of sin and the unfortunate separation from God. What I'm saying is, God took His people's sins upon Himself and forgave them all through an act of immense love, similar to the way a soldier offers himself by dying in a war to protect his nation.
Hi, you have a great sense of morality young man. I enjoyed listening to your arguments because they make much sense if someone uses own good inner sense of morality (not poisoned by the surrounding culture) and applies it to the "mainstream" Christian theology. Following your same arguments, many years ago, when I was as young as you, I was very near to becoming an atheist because if I have to choose to believe in a God with highly questionable morality, or in no God at all, I'd rather chose the latter. But... I tell you what... after much experience in life, and much reading, and studying and pondering... I found out that isn't God immoral.... but it's the mainstream theology that uses wrong arguments and turns out giving a picture of God as an immoral being. The idea that every man deserve punishment due to original sin, which was committed by their far far far very first ancherstors Eve and Adam, is immoral itself. Human justice (at least in the so called "civilized" world) doesn't punish the children for the crimes commited by their parents; it would be an unaccettaple injustice if that would happen. So, if human justice doesn't do that, how can we believe that an all loving and all just being as God is told to be, could be less just than the human justice? Doesn't make any sense. Also, as you well said, not only mankind is supposedly deserving God punishment due to the "crime" committed by their ancestors thousands and thousands generations earlier, but the delivery of such UNJUST punishment is allegedly waived due to the punishment delivered to a single innocent man which is said is even more innocent than any innocent man as he's not affected by the so called "original sin/crime". That's also immoral (to punish an innocent because of the crimes committed by others) and it doesn't make any sense; not in terms of equity (because the amount of punishment delivered to the innocent is likely near to almost zero compared to the amount of punishment waived, so why not waive it all and spare the innocent?) not in terms of logic (if God is only tied to His own will, why if He wants to be merciful to mankind, he still needs to deliver a punishment to an innocent?). But... then, one day, I finally understood the solution to the mistery that can put together a loving God, an original sin, and the sacrifice of God's begotten son himself. First of all, if there's anything to understand out of the reading of "The book of Job" (included in the Bible) is that suffer IS NOT a punishment from God... God doesn't make people suffer to punish them... indeed punishment isn't something that viable for an all loving being. The great mistakes that do all religions is to think of God as a man, a "father", therefore as authority BEFORE than love... while God is likely more like a woman, a "mother", therefore as LOVE BEFORE authority. So, what is the original sin? and why it's passed from generation to generation? and what the original sin caused? and why there's need of sacrifice to repair the damage caused by the original sin? Here is the answers. The original sin, IS NOT, as they all teach you, the disobey to God's authority which therefore would cause God to deliver a punishment... the original sin is THE LOSS OF TRUST on God's love. Such loss of trust (due to Satan deception and free will) has caused the mankind to detach itself from God's love, and that's why end up living in a Godless earthly realm where there's suffer... not as punishment but as consequence of losing the love connection with God. Because such trust and love can't be easily recovered in a Godless world, all the generations that came after, which didn't know God, had also suffered. So why Jesus, God's begotten son, has incarnated on earth? and why he sacrificed himself not just his earthly life (that is not much valuable after all) but bearing one of the most terrible torture ever conceived by men? Because Jesus has come with a message which is the WAY to restore our trust in God an our love for God through Jesus. So, it's NOT Jesus resurrection or His death that SAVEs, but His message (His WORD) and His WAY (so, it's the WORD that can save us from the eternal void once we die. The VOID is what expects who can't love God, because outside God there's only the void in the spiritual transcendent dimension, or there's the immanent universe, which is where we experience our earthly lives). But WHY Jesus had to suffer that much? why so much sacrifice in terms of terrible PAIN? why He HAD TO go through that? The answer relies on the mystery of suffer, love and free will. God loves us, HeShe wants us to love HimHer back, but can't force us to love HimHer... love is such only if it's a free choice of heart. So God's love doesn't allow HimHer to do anything which may violate our free will... to interfere in our lives with HisHer direct manifestation, which wouldn't make us love him, but rather be submitted to HimHer. So... how can an all mighty God prevent HimHer self to interfere in the life of those who HeShe loves. What can prevent the love of a mother to run to her loved son that she miss so much? Suffer... only the suffer of the loved can stop the loving one. So, this is my theological theory, if God tries to alter the laws of nature in any way and interfere in our world, that will cause us MORE suffer (in addition to the suffer already caused by men and by the earthly life). God made our universe in this way so to protect us, to protect our free will, from HisHer wish to interfere. God's love doesn't want us to suffer (more than we already do) so God can't interfere in our world. God CAN do everything, but because of being concerned of our suffer and our free will, God's love stop HimHerself from using his power. In other words, it's NOT that suffer exists as a punishment because God is immoral and doesn't love us or God isn't powerful enough to prevent suffer, it exists for a number of reasons, and one of that reasons is that it's a "device" that can even stop God from interfering with our free will. But there's an exception... if a man bear the suffer and voluntarily OFFERs such suffer to God, then God is allowed, for the amount of such suffer, to do MIRACLES in this world (many Godly men, saints, have been through a great amount of suffer that they voluntarily chose to bear because of their love for Jesus and God). Now, we all know that Jesus has become so popular because of His many miracles, not because of His army (like in the case of Islam and it's prophet), but those miracles (including His own resurrection... see how the Shroud of Turin, the burial cloth of Jesus, defies all known natural phenomena) have required and caused the violation of laws of nature, therefore a great amount of suffer had to be VOLUNTARILY offered to God, in order to make them possible. So, thanks to Jesus sacrifice, He had been empowered to defy the laws of nature, to show signs to the people of that time, that made them to believe him without doubt and made them to love him because His sacrifice was also the proof of His love for us. And through the love of Jesus, many people had found the way to trust God's love and find their way back to HimHer, to salvation, and eternal life and joy. Therefore Jesus sacrifice IS NOT, a punishment that has been delivered to Him instead of to the sinners, so that the sinners can be waived from receive the punishment. Jesus suffer is what has been needed for Him to be able to deliver His WORD to the whole mankind (and provide us a WAY to God/heaven) and in a way that men have still full complete free will if to BELIEVE and TRUST in God's love or not. Thank you Jesus. I love you Jesus :) Amen
But what if there are intelligent species on other planets ? Did they inherited the original sin too even if they are not humans ? Did Jesus die for them too or only for the human race ?
I don't know the answer... but I wonder... does it matter? Anyway, as I believe that Jesus main mission on earth was to deliver to mankind the message about "how" to live a godly life and therefore gain eternal life after death, those who couldn't be reached by His message (because of time or space separation; like those who lived before Jesus or those who lived where Jesus messages didn't spread yet) are not supposed to be within the scope of His mission. So, I logically deduce that Jesus didn't come for those who may live in other planets. If there is someone living in other planets and if they are too, like men, living a life disconnected from God, I guess that the love of God will cause Him/Her to provide them a way to reconnect to Him/Her through love.
Wow-I wish I had had the discernment you possess when I was your age- I’m going to be 50 next year and am finally asking these type questions. I try not to feel foolish for going along with the indoctrination for so long. Thanks for more food for thought on the subject!!
Goodbye girl I'm 24 and only beginning to question it. My entire family are born again christians and so I've grown up believing in christ and his sacrifice. A lot of the bible just doesn't make logical sense and going to church has become more of a chore for me now to please my family, and even though its become a chore I personally don't mind going to church. The only thing I do 100% believe in is the bible's moral standpoint
He did not have to die to save you. "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17 He will forgive you.
This guy should be a Muslim. He uses his brain! His argument is usually an argument Muslim makes. God could just forgive just like in Islam, no one has to die.
You are not off the hook. Islam is just as logically flawed. Don't try and make it look like Christianity is irrational while islam makes perfect sense. I doesn't. I know because I was born and raised in this religion and I studied everything that there is to study about it. it's interesting as a myth but totally irrational too.
God gave us free will we aren’t just zombies that blindly follow him. Because of this he thought humanity should be punished but Jesus saw good in people so he sacrificed himself. When god saw that his son was willing to die for humanity he decided that we should continue to exist as he saw the good in humanity. Jesus sacrifice is deeply symbolic human logic doesn’t work when your talking about the actions of an all powerful being beyond space and time.
If he is powerful beyond space and time, why did he need to see his son willing to die for a humanity that had some good in it? Isn't he omniscient to begin with? Why a sacrifice (violence) is needed to accomplish anything? What kind of blood needs blood to not do something and to realize anything?
Imagine your are parent and your child brakes something on purpose, in front of you and your response is to whip yourself. It is a really brutal punishment you don't deserve and the child learns nothing. If we deserve to be punished it makes sense that we would be punished it does not make sense for someone else to be punished. Just like when the royalties of Europe use to have whipping boys instead of punishing the young prince or princess someone else's child would take the punishment. Something goes wrong therfore somebody needs to be punished is not how things work. The guilty person should be punished and corrected fairly so that no further harm is done, not for the sake of vengeance.
People tickle me, they always wanna blame God for bad things or for this and that. Here's my question, how come nobody ever blames the devil? Everybody wants to bad mouth the Lord, but never blames the enemy? Want some advice? Be careful how you put your mouth on the Almighty- God is not mocked.
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ makes PERFECT sense if you comprehend it properly, which it surely is NOT by the vast majority of people who claim to comprehend. God commands us to become WHOLE and PERFECT like himself, in order for us to enjoy the same sort of existence which he enjoys. If you are whole & perfect, then you know ALL things, and you comprehend ALL things, and you have experienced ALL things. God has existed forever and a day, just like us. The difference is that GOD has existed as GOD forever, and almost for that additional day as well. That particular day was when God existed like us. God has not always been God. And God himself has revealed this. But since he's the only God to whom we are responsible, we must OBEY God if we are to become more like God.
Not defending Jehovah's witnesses, but to me atheists trying to "understand" religious concepts without any theological background seem like uneducated people trying to understand quantum physics. Read the biblical texts (in their original languages, that is), read up on theological explanations and concepts throughout the last few milennia dealing with all that stuff and then come back and let's have a qualified discussion about it. Until then don't pretend to be able to "debunk" or "disprove" religions or what you consider "illogical". (By the way, i studied both christian theology, including learning to read ancient Hebrew and Greek, and physics, including basic quantum physics and some of the mathematics behind it, and i don't think studying theology is in any way easier or less "academic" or "scientific" than studying phyiscs - although both use vastly different methods to generate some level of understanding, of course). It's great that you ask critical questions, it's a pitty that so many atheists seem to convince themselves that they've already found "the" answer (by just "thinking about it" for a while, mind you). Just consider if that's really the way you want people to understand a complex reality and religious beliefs. You don't accept if someone denotes physics for being too complex or seemingly illogical, why demand from religious beliefs and theological concepts to be easily to understand? After all, you wouldn't accept someone just thinking about some physical concept and come up with some seemingly obvious reasons why it "makes no sense" either (like: "Schrödingers cat being dead and alive at the same time? How does this make any sense?"')
You are wrong. People are supposed to have faith in a religion. And there are a bunch of those. So they are supposed to assess the one that make sense to them. Basically, what you say is "don't think, just pick your side on a hunch and just don't ask questions (to yourself or to others) because you are not savvy enough to answer those or to evaluate the logic behind them unless you are a scholar. Yes, some could do their "research" but most wouldn't be able to do so or to understand the yielded results anyway. Your analogy is wrong because you can't possibly understand quantum superposition if you are not a quantum physicist alright but you are not supposed to burn in hell if you don't get it either. If one is condemned to remain uninformed and has to stay that way, it's a hard sell to say that they can't assess the truth on their own but will still be judged accordingly. It's a religion for the masses, isn't it? Yet, its fundamentals are beyond the average mortal while their fate depend on those. So, don't you think either your way of thinking is flawed or those religions are inherently paradoxical?
@@lexmachina8961 You are wrong. I never said "just pick your side and don't ask questions." First, for me there is no "side" to pick when it comes to searching for the truth. Not between sciences and religion, and not between different religions. Those are different approaches towards one reality. Second, i don't know if you really understand what "having faith" means in a religious sense. You can't talk yourself into having faith. Faith is an answer to something you experience and to how you experience the world. It's not without doubts and questions though, on the contrary: Your faith needs to be verified which can only be done by living. Third, you don't "pick" a religion that "makes the most sense" (see point 2). That's exaxtly the kind of misunderstanding of religion i tried to describe. So no, i don't advertise "religion of the masses" and i don't think the fundamentals of religions lie beyond "the average mortal" - on the contrary: It's what deep inside you know or believe to be true what connects with you. Just as you seem to be an atheist because the core assumptions of atheism seem to connect with you and your life experience the best so far. You showed the flaws in your own thinking: It's not necessarily my thinking that's flawed here or religions being paradixical, it's your understanding of my thinking that's flawed here: You created an image of me and my thinking that's wrong and therefor you argued against a strawman. That's the meaning of Ex 20:4 - don't create a false image. I hope this answer helps you understand something rather than triggering youinto thinking you're being attacked. Have a nice day.
@ hiith Jesus' sacrifice makes sense to us Christians, and that's why we continue to believe it despite all the attacks you and others make against it.
This video makes a very good statement. Please explain to me and if it makes sense then I will believe in God. After many study meetings with JWs and I still don't understand the bible is a bit bizzare. Humans did not change after Jesus' death, but if somehow you have an explanation for this then please share it with everyone else.
Self righteous people don't know who they really are. They don't see how sinful they are and how rebellious they are against God. They need to be saved.
What I wonder to The full most is why couldn't The God of The Bible have just given His creation a perfect nature from The start??? So That There wouldn't even have to be a such Thing as Sin or A Judgement Day for That matter??? If tech designers can make and design computerized phones Then The God of The Bible SHOULD have The Power to do infinitely better. I am 36 years old by the way, Black American male.
Young man, you are very well researched. As a retired minister and teacher , I consider your rationale to be spot on. People believe based on their emotions and traditions.
Has Jesus says "I am god or worship me" Jesus says don't drink and yet they drink but still defending the rules when someone opposed it....then they said..Jesus forgive all and everyone gets to live in heaven...wow..then hell will be no people in there...if Muslim will be put in hell...then what happens to the Jesus love..it shows that Jesus is not fair at all...if Jesus is god..why did he die...if Jesus is god.. Why he is being killed...if Jesus is god..why he doesn't know when will the doomsday happen..
Hi, my problem with Jesus’s sacrifice is something like this: God presumably is all powerful being who created whole universe by simply speaking it into existence.. So this comparison example won’t do the justice to how powerful god supposed to be but it should suffice. Right, let us take analogous case with a genius person who not only invented maths but also discovered electricity, mastered electronics, came up with all that sophisticated software languages and built this supercomputer environment on which he runs a game called “the earth and universe” … As we can see there were some hiccups in his design hence fall of Adam and Eve, the flood etc.. So now this greatest mind to exist came up with an idea that he’s going to create himself a game character called Jesus (his avatar in the virtual world he created) I don’t see this a sacrifice of any sort. He literally kills his avatar/toy in the game (the universe) he has total control of - can someone tell me where is the sacrifice here? If you got all the way here thank you for your interest! And tell me what you think.
Why did god need Mary to "make" Jesus? If a "blood relation" to David was absolutely necessary (and that is a complication only introduced by connecting the Messiah myth to a mention of "the house of David" in a random OT verse... ignore that verse like so many others DIRECTLY related to the messiah legend, like him dying of old age and WINNING INDEPENDENCE FOR ISRAEL! and you do not even need any blood) just take ONE drop of blood from some random offspring of David's being circumcised and form the new body from that blood drop! Do i need to mention that my deconversion was finalized when i realized that Actual Authors trying to invent complicated stories about the universe and our place in it did a much better job of coming up with a cosmology and explanation for why things are as they are than the bible and "god"??? :D That shit really can only impress you if your standards are crawling in the dust or if you live in times where NOTHING ever has yet surpassed that treshold of creativity and this IS "on the edge". Being a Christian in 2018 must be so tiresome as you have to actively suppress your brain 24/7 or the manifold failures of the book become unsurmountable for it to stomach!
@borrowed tomb A sacrifice is if you push someone out of the way of a speeding car and get killed yourself, not just jumping in front a car and getting killed,how is that a sacrifice,more like suicide,death by cop in Jesus case , and how does it help anyone?
Firstly you're comparing a man who created the universe and the earth to humans who created things that make life comfortable and mind you God has done he's creation by the help of three godly presences, while man created their luxurys after millions of years and it took millions of brilliant minds gifted by God to get to where we are as humans and Jesus Christ is the only person powerful enough to take the keys of death from the Devil so he can give everyone a chance of salvation
Andswers: God isn’t punishing us, he’s protecting us. We don’t know what is right, only He does. He gave us the law for several reasons. Most importantly, for us to see how broken we are without Him. Secondly, to guide us. Jesus’s sacrifice was necessary because God is the most just being in existence. In your judge example, that judge letting a criminal go wouldn’t be an act of justice. By definition, that’s an unethical act. The sacrifice was enough because Christ was so perfect. I’d argue, that even a pin prick to Jesus would be enough suffering to justify humanity. He was just that perfect. You can’t understand this if you don’t first recognize the perfection that is the Son. I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness, rather an evangelical Christian. If you have any questions just ask and I’ll answer. I’m a HUGE skeptic of everything so I’ve looked into every piece of this and still, I am a Christian. Nothing in this world makes more sense. God bless.
I'm a Christian and I never looked at it that way. Yeah that does sound crazy. The crucifixion of Jesus is not the only incident in history where crucifixion was used to forgive the sins of mankind. It appears to be a shared story down through time.
The Bible does not say in multiple places that God caused men to sin. I honestly don't know where you got those facts from. Sin is a violation of God's desire for us to love him and one another in ways that HE says exhibit true love. We have all fallen short of that standard. When you are older, and a father, you'll understand that a loving father will do whatever he can to save the lives of his children --- even if it means taking the punishment they deserve onto himself. There are some here who say Christianity is a guilt trip. Its the exact opposite (at least the denominations that carry the TRUE GOSPEL). The good news of what Jesus Christ did for you is that you don't have to carry the guilt of your sin anymore. You don't have to run from God for fear of judgement. The price has been paid. All He is asking is that you believe what He did and ask for the new life He has planned for you: a life that restores the relationship between God and man that was lost long ago. Please don't mock the greatest love that has even been shown to you. If you have experienced an Earthly father that was either completely absent in your life or present but abusive, I am truly sorry. Just know that is not how our heavenly Father is.
Great one Hiith! The problem is they regurgitated (as usual) a pagan story of the 'scapegoat'. And yes it is typical primitive stupidity. Aned god loves the smell of death and burning flesh. OT says god's nose is pleased! (Abel's animal sacrifice, Cain jealous, kills, god can't figure it out. lol) Love and Peace
Lara Jarrell: Love and Peace are welcome Lara. The rest of your argument is definitely stupid... primary or secondary doesn't matter. God bless you and get you out of the jam.
@@mariodiblasio8058 🍌 take this for saying paganism is false while you're religion destroyed so many civilizations across the globe and causing genocide, wise people burnt at the stake and so on.
That is intelligent to question some of those teachings. I have always wondered why there is still sin around since Jesus was supposed to die for our sins. Thanks for questioning this thought process!
Jesus died for our sins, but it doesn't mean sin has been eradicated cause God still gave us free will, but by the praying by the name of the Lord we can be forgiven of our sins, it didn't mean we won't sin but we should abstain from sin and anytime we do sin we can be forgiven by the Lord
WOW! a complete loss of empathy which marginalises self-giving love. "it is our case against this exhaustive and logical theory of the lunatic that, however right or wrong it may appear to him, it gradually destroys his humanity” (G.K.Chesterton)
Listening to this guy makes me sit back and marvel at how much of an idiot I was for even dedicating a second to this religion or religion in general 😩
CASE IN POINT: The Creator allowed his anointed One to be murdered. God never said in the OT that the blood of his anointed one will be needed for the remission of sins. God requires of us to forgive others but we simply forgive with our hearts. God did not require us make an atonement for others in order to forgive. God doesn't do the same when somebody sins? Is that too much for God? You don't have to confess your sins and repent just because you believe in a human sacrifice as an atonement? In the New Testament, we read the atonement and the human blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins as well we also read the opposite in the NT that you need to repent and believe in the gospel otherwise you won't make it. So when is the human blood sacrifice relevant? if the NT tells you you need to repent and believe in the Gospel of the resurrection and God's kingdom in order to be forgiven of your sins...that"s it! Acts 2:38 However, where is that 'phrase" in the Old Testament as a messianic prophecy..."Word for Word"?????. Just as it was quoted as it was written by the prophets. If it was not quoted by the prophets then how reliable is that statement in the NT?Did the Creator really use a human sacrifice to forgive people's sins or Did the Creator use people's confession of their sins and repentance with a humble spirit for the forgiveness of their sins. Where did the concept of human sacrifice came from ... for the forgiveness of sins? What did the Messiah say regarding the forgiveness of sins? Mark 1: 15 Watch the video for more insights. If you are interested in animate lol don't click the link but you are interested in the real truth..please help yourself. ruclips.net/video/CzrWlONmk1k/видео.html
Not religion in general, just find the right religion. Honestly the only two that make any sense are Judaism and Islam. And that’s because the two are almost identical in their main belief.
Christians theologians contradict themselves and they offend God. On one hand they say that God is omnipotent (all-powerful/almighty) and on the other hand, they claim that God needed to trade with Satan, paying him for the sins of the mankind with torturing Jesus. That is offensive to God, as this thinking makes God and Satan equal. If God is almighty then he simply may forgive the sins of people. Just like in the story from New Testament in Matthew 18:21-27. "Matthew 18:21-27; English Standard Version (ESV) The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant 21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times. 23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.[a] 24 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[b] 25 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant[c] fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt." If God is omnipotent (all-powerful) then he does not need to arrange the killing of anyone to "pay" for any debt. God may simply cancel the debt like in the parable above. Making God equal to Satan CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIANS OFFEND GOD!
How can He cancel the debt if you don't ask Him to? How can He cancel the debt if you don't acknowledge that there is a debt? How can He ever have a chance to show mercy to you if you don't think you need mercy? Be careful that you do not build a house of cards with logic that is ill informed, do you really think that your logic is greater than God's? Do you think that you would be able to stand toe to toe with Him and debate His decisions, especially when you don't really have the facts straight, or let alone have even bothered to seek Him? Read Job 37 and 38. Satan does not run hell, God created Hell for the devil and the other fallen angels because they "knew" and yet they rebelled. All things in Creation are of God, both good and evil, He is responsible for all those things. Demons do not even want to be in hell, 'Legion' for example would prefer to be sent into a herd of pigs rather than be sent to Hell. Each of us has an opportunity to choose for ourselves whether we will worship God or not and this earthly existence is the perfect place to give the humans a chance to make that choice free from coercion. Otherwise, if you were forced to "know" then would you really have a free choice to make? The whole point to all of this is that we must find it in ourselves to be humble and let go of our pride. And to realize that we were created by Him and that there really isn't any reason for us to drift away from Him other than our own selfish pride. He has a lot to teach us and one of those lessons is that we firstly don't know everything and secondly that we have freewill to make choices, it's like proof of freewill. I'm pretty sure He would prefer that people worship Him and witness to His magnificence by their own freewill rather than by forcefulness. Hell is that place that is completely absent of God's love, joy, mercy, grace... and I do mean 'absent' of all those things. Would you let someone in your house who does not acknowledge you or your ways? Seek Him and you shall find Him. That's where the proof is at. Many people argue that there should be proof of God in the world, but how can there be proof of God in the world if God is not of the world? Why would you even want it that way? We each get the opportunity to find Him without any of these other sinners getting in the way and leading us astray. Humble yourself, admit that you're a sinner and that you would like that free gift of salvation and you shall receive that mercy from Him. But you won't if you don't ask and seek. That's pretty simple.
Brandon Brownlee Thank you for an interesting comment. I just think that most of theories of atonement created by Christian theologians are not logical. I could accept only "the moral influence theory of the atonement". I will go into details at the weekend when I have time dedicated to religion. May Allah/HaShem bless you.
+Brandon Brownlee I see that generally we agree with one another, except that I recognize Jesus (s.a.) as a prophet, a great teacher and healer, and you probably claim something more. Concerning the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.), I believe that the worst enemies of the Prophet are some Muslims, especially those who believe in incredible Hadiths written nearly 200 years after Muhammad's mission. Many Hadiths simply defame the Prophet and are the projection of warped minds of those who told and noted down those stories. We have the Holy Quran, we have our rational thinking and civilizational context and that is enough. The Holy Quran is also a poetic book and some passages need to be understood metaphorically. Also some concepts like "Hell", "Satan", "Salvation" may be understood metaphorically. According to Kabbalah, Satan is is in everyone, it is the proud human ego. So humbling oneself is a good idea in respect to all religions. That is what I call Reform Islam. I like some of your thoughts: "All things in Creation are of God, both good and evil, He is responsible for all those things." - I agree with you a hundred percent. Allah/HaShem encompasses all. "Each of us has an opportunity to choose for ourselves whether we will worship God or not and this earthly existence is the perfect place to give the humans a chance to make that choice free from coercion. Otherwise, if you were forced to "know" then would you really have a free choice to make?" - You are right, God usually does not force us to know. Usually. But wait, actually sometimes, maybe once in life, maybe twice, you experience something that forces you to believe. But even then, you can ignore it or acknowledge it. You may remember it (or even note it down) or suppress it and forget. Human memory is plastic. When you want to forget something, you will forget. Yes, that is the free will. Actually, I have collected enough data to be 99,9% convinced, that materialistic reductionism is a wrong way of thinking. "Many people argue that there should be proof of God in the world, but how can there be proof of God in the world if God is not of the world?" How Jesus is reported to say: "Seek and you will find". I see many proofs of God in the world. In physics (just consider the double-slit experiment), astronomy (in line with the Holy Quran), medicine. And of course strange "coincidences" in human history. A good example is the creation of the Jewish state, foretold both in the Book of Isaiah and in the Holy Quran. When you think about the history of Modern Israel, you will see that everything that has happened since Theodor Herzl's mission, was indispensable. Even the Nazis and and the Holocaust were necessary. Without the Nazis, Israel would not have been created (crucial Fifth Aliyah between 1929-1939). Withouth the Holocaust and German Holocaust reparations, Israel would probably neither have survived the economic crisis after the war in 1948, nor the following wars. And it may be no coincidence that, almost just before signing the Reparation Agreement with Israel, West Germany rose from the ruins and experienced a rapid economic boom, known as "The Miracle on the Rhine" or "Wirtschaftswunder". Thanks to that "miracle" Germany was able to pay Israel the Holocaust reparations. At that time the most critical factor for Israel was obtaining material assets - the young state had enough people. Tens of thousands of Arab Jewish refugees were living in tents in refugee camps waiting to be absorbed by Israeli economy. The German reparations (paid over 10 years) were very well invested in infrastructure, transportation, equipment for about 1,300 industrial plants and purchasing fuel and raw materials for developing the industry. So the German economic miracle was mirrored by its Israeli counterpart. In human history, we can find other examples of astonishing "coincidences". At the end, I will quote Max Plank, a genial physicist and the father of quantum physics: “As a physicist, that is, a man who had devoted his whole life to a wholly prosaic science, the exploration of matter, no one would surely suspect me of being a fantast. And so, having studied the atom, I am telling you that there is no matter as such! All matter arises and persists only due to a force that causes the atomic particles to vibrate, holding them together in the tiniest of Solar systems, the atom. Yet in the whole of the Universe there is no force that is either intelligent or eternal, and we must therefore assume that behind this force there is a conscious, intelligent Mind or Spirit. This is the very origin of all matter.” (Planck, as cited in Eggenstein 1984, Part I; see “Materialistic Science on the Wrong Track”). Salaam / Shalom / Peace
Yeah I recognize Jesus as being the Son of God. Partly from my experiences that I've had in life with Him and revolving around Him. As well as taking His word for it. We could ask ourselves how much of what He says do we take as being the truth and how much of it is lie?... well that's sort of silly question since we undoubtedly are prepared to believe what He says about Himself. I agree with you that we can see God's handy work in physical reality. Believers in God are able to look at these things with respect and know that He is God because of the miracle of all these things. And yes I also agree that many physicists and various other big name scientists also believe in God because of what they've discovered in their work. What I meant about people looking for proof of God in the 'world' is that there are certain individuals out there that are sort of waiting around for someone to plop this imaginary piece of evidence into their lap before they will ever decide to seek God for themselves. They think that the 'world', ie the 'system' will be the thing that will hand them God, but I argue that the 'system' will never do that because it inherently has it's own agenda in mind, whether it be run by the devil or simply by man's devices. Essentially by 'world' I mean 'system', I should've outlined that a bit better. So I always recommend that people try to ask God for themselves by prayer and having a humble heart and a true desire to know Him and His ways and His truths. It can be hard for people to put away what they think they know in exchange for finding the truth whatever that truth may be, and ultimately we have to believe that He will answer us. I don't think that Satan is in everyone metaphorically as you say. I do think that man is prideful and arrogant and that those things tend to be the root of many selfish deeds, and I also think these things can stand in the way of truly finding a relationship with God. But I think there exists an individual spirit known as Satan who was an angel of the Lord but has rebelled and now makes this 'world' his domain as much as it is possible. Anyway thanks for writing to me, I like some of the things you say as well. I also like physics and studying prophecy. I am sure that we also have many other agreements but we also probably have some disagreements at the fundamental level. I guess the last thing I can think to say in relation to all the things that we've written so far is that I think it's important to point out that there are Christians out there that believe because they truly know and have entered into relationship with God but it may also be at the same time that they don't really understand the full back story and the purpose of what's going on. I don't claim to fully know everything because I think that would be incredibly arrogant as I was not present to witness the foundations of all things. But I do know that Jesus is very real and still alive and well and is very much the Son of God (ie God manifested as a man). The point is that your original argument was that Christian theologians offend God, this is not impossible, there might be someone out there that clings to a doctrine that they halfway made up for themselves and perhaps it has contradictions within it, but this whole thing comes full circle when I restate that proof of God can't be found within the 'world', it really must come for the individual on an individual basis straight from God Himself. Otherwise man just begins another religion and passes it on to someone else and yet another person. That, I believe is what it means to seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. When a person humbles themself before God and in their heart decides that they really want to know Him and His truth, God will respond. Man's logic is nothing compared to God's, we can so easily make mistakes and yet be so sure of ourselves, and He knows that, which is why we must cast off that pride and surety before Him, admit our weaknesses and sinful nature and just ask for help, ask for that free gift of salvation (which has an affect during life as well as after life, I don't think it's metaphorical). Peace
But what if there are species on other planets ? Did they inherited the original sin too even if they are not humans ? Did Jesus die for them too or only for the human race ?
Wilczu FREE WILL OF MAN LOST TO DEATH... GOD IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE! God gave us free will because to remove free will is to remove true love. We have our own free will and that’s what caused the fall of man NOT GOD. God came BECAUSE HE LOVED US SO MICH HE WANTED A WAY TO GIVE BACK WHAT WE LOST! HIS SACRIFICE WAS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO GIVE US BACK NOT ONLY OIR DOMINION BACK BUT ETERNAL LIFE! Glory to GOD!!!!! What an amazing GOD HE IS!!! HE GAVE HIMSELF TO MAKE AN ETERNAL BODY FOR US TO ENTER IN!!! ONE MUST RECEIVE JESUS IN THE HEART AND ENTER INTO HIS COVENANT RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WHAT REVEALS TO US WHO GOD TRULY IS!!! One must have a relationship with Jesus An INTIMACY WITH HIM TO KNOW HIM. And lean not on our own understanding for OUR WAYS ARENT HIS WAYS AND OIR THOUGHTS ARENT HIS THOUGHTS! God bless you always 🤍🕊🙌🏾🙏🏽✝️🧎🏽♀️
2:22 Thats where the mercy part comes in. You see, mercy doesn’t make sense. It‘s the moment when somebody decides to let someone go free who deserved punishment. But the fault still needs to be met with punishment. That is why Jesus, the only person to be actually innocent and thereby the only one who is worthy, needed to be the one to die for us. Does it make sense that he would do this? No, because we are the ones who deserve the punishment. Is it therefor unfailing, unconditional love? It has to be
Dude! So happy I’m a Muslim… Everything makes so much sense. Jesus was a beloved prophet of God, just like all the other prophets. May peace be upon them all.
Christian doctrine is even more repugnant than the reasons you cite here … because the doctrine of a “chosen people” is woven throughout both the Old and New Testaments. In the OT, god arbitrarily chose Israel which then led to the doctrine of “election” in the NT. The clear meaning is that salvation comes to an individual only by god’s choice, not by man’s (read the book of Romans). So accordingly, the vast majority of humanity was created by this god as “fitted for destruction” since they lack the saving faith that god has chosen not to bestow on them.
we needed a mediator between man and God someone who knows God and who knows what its like to be human to walk in our shoes to be tempted like we are to fully experience what its like to be us but to have lived and overcome all that is wrong with us the ego, greediness, immorality, cruelty etc etc. someone needed to live and die like us to fully understand both sides to carry the weight of human sin and guilt his whole life was a complete sacrifice done completely out of love to show us how to live in a better way. He bridged the gap between humanity and the creator of humanity his sacrifice makes complete sense. He was innocent and tried and convicted for a crime he didnt do he was murdered by the religious authorities that were completely hypocritical, so his life and death were a complete sacrifice from beginning to the end. The cross of Christ is like foolishness to those who are perishing. Because of what happened to him God made this the ultimate sacrifice one life for billions.
It is difficult to see how becoming Jesus-shis-kabob on a stick actually accomplished much of anything. What was the big plan supposed to be? To stay dead for 2000 years, and come back to finish the job, later? Why not just do the job right, the first time? And let me check my calendar- hasn't 2000 years ALREADY come and gone?
God never made anyone sin actually, Genesis is pretty clear that the whole sin issue is on us, humans. With that in mind, Jesus was tortured and killed for our transgressions since He is all perfect and is the only one qualified to dismiss our case. Yes God is all powerful, all loving but lets also not forget He is just. With all His love and mercy, He cannot violate His justness which if He did, no longer makes Him a good God. Also, repentance is the gateway to change us, from sinners to saints. God never condemned an innocent man since an innocent man is none existent... He condemned Himself to save us.
If he knew how it was going to all play out, then he should not have created us in the first place. Also, how can he guarantee that someone won't sin in heaven and screw things up again?
And you are incorrect with your argument, so YOU need to do some research... YOUR god could not have been perfect because if he was then he would not be able to make a human that was imperfect. If your god was perfect like the bible makes sure it says enough that you cant miss it, then there would be nothing but perfect. Its common sense
Rob DuMond: Mercy is God's gift! If you were a judge and your son or daughter committed a crime... would you not do all you could out of love for them? That's mercy.
I've got 13 years, clean and sober from heroin and crack. In the 12 steps...a higher power is suggested, to help maintain sobriety. I've prayed every day, for 13 years. It works good for me. I wouldn't push anyone else into faith. And,I'm a total science geek. Love astronomy, NASA, geology, all that. Just sayin '
Being from a Jesuit school but not currently practicing religion, the main point of the sacrifice was to show the world the extent of the human potential in my mind. Jesus understood the philosophical constructs of our human nature being mostly self interested and wanted to change how we view our own existence through his own selfless actions. Say what you will about how Jesus has been interpreted over the years, but as a man he certainly was a unique and honorable person. Religion was and is an effort to evolve the human condition. Today most of our own morality and character is built on the underlying principles religion instilled in its followers. Any society can dissolve into chaos and in chaos most lose their moral grounding, but with the right culture and credence, a society can sustain order. Your's is to thank and not to judge.
You're using modern logic and rationality without taking into account religious tradition. Leviticus 4 describes the sacrificing of animals as a "sin offering" which is required to achieve purification after committing a sin or other unclean act. Being "unclean" had real consequences. People could be denied access to the sanctuary and in general could become something of a community pariah. Of course the problem was it was almost impossible to not do something "sinful" from time to time so sacrificing animals got to be fairly common. Women had to make a sacrifice after childbirth to complete their "purification." Enter Paul who is smart enough to realize that he can't keep the Mosaic Laws and he latches onto the idea that Jesus' death must be the ultimate "sin offering" and provides a path to salvation without worrying about the details of the Mosaic Law. Romans 8:3 "For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering." That's it. That's the whole explanation. Jesus' was the ultimate "sin offering" and essentially eliminated the need to follow the Mosaic Law and continue making "sin offerings." To us this is bat shit crazy but to the ancients, steeped in the certainty that animal sacrifices were necessary to erase sin, the idea of Jesus as the ultimate sacrifice actually appears to have made sense.
Also, God cursing the ground is actually a mercy. Adam and Eve deserved death and hell right there and as a just God, He had to make sure their actions brought consequences. The curse is better than sending all of humanity straight to hell. God never once designed man to be sinful, men simply chose to be. When sin entered into this world, humanity (due to the curse) was actually given a second chance to restore a connection with God, which goes all the way back to Jesus. Check out the youtube channel The Bible Project, those are some great people helping people understand the narrative of the Bible
I have explained the mercy that God displayed. God cannot contradict Himself. If He lets them go free without any atonement, He would be unjust. God covered them with an innocent animal to symbolize Christ's covering of sin. Cursing the land was really the lowest of the low type of punishment for Adam and Eve. Atonement was the Messiah that was promised to the Jews and the whole world. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, nobody comes to the Father but by Him.
+Rui Zhong Tay "God never once designed man to be sinful, men simply chose to be. " So either man is more powerful than GOD or GOD is a shitty designer that cannot make things the way he intended them to be... pick your favorite, they both disprove your god (as in having or deserving the attributes "all powerful, all knowing and endlessly merciful")!
My friend, what I meant is God giving man free will to choose. He intended for mankind to choose to love Him and have a relationship with Him. I certainly would not want to be a robot. So no, men is not more powerful than God and God is a considerate designer who gives His creation a choice. The only problem is that His creation made the wrong choice, even when that happened, God still loved humanity and died for us. He is all powerful, merciful and all knowing.
why do u consider Adam and Eve eating from the tree a sin that deserve hell .... God gave us free will to choose btw right and wrong and humans learn from thier mistakes .... Adam and Eve were the first humans and it was the first mistake ever how can they learn... God like that didnt give them a chance to learn anything .... the child cant walk from his first try and Adam and Eve cant succed in the first test ever ..... What u should understand is what happened was hust a lesson to humanity to learn from the mistakes of our father and mother and not to listen to the devil as he is our enemy and God sending us on Earth isnt a curse he entrusted us to build it and gave us an enemy to test us and according to our deeds we either go to heaven (and ofcourse by God's mercy) or hell .....
I really think you should do more research and learning, perhaps consult a biblical scholar before making this video because there were alot of misunderstandings here.
How so? My friend, the Bible is written by God since it contains prophesy that no man could have predicted it so accurately. Check out the amount of prophesies fulfilled by Jesus, it is eyeopening! God chose the prophets to write most of the Old Testament that all points towards Jesus. It takes time to understand the Bible, moreover, it can only be properly understood with the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you. Pray to Jesus to let Him reveal to you the truth, repent and believe, the Spirit will come to dwell with you. If you want, we can have a discussion, ask me any questions you like about God and the Bible, I will try to answer it :)
Rui, the writers of the New Testament were fully aware of the prophesies contained in the Old Testament. Constructing Jesus stories that fulfilled these prophesies is easily explained without resorting to anything magical. As an aside, I have a hard time believing that any God wishing to gain believers would do so in such a clumsy, immoral, contradictory, and obtuse manner as the Bible. Yahweh's condoning slavery, petty vindictiveness, and other inhumane acts like genocide demonstrates that the entire thing sprang from the minds of people, and not very enlightened people at that. This blood sacrifice rubbish has no place in the 21st century.
Well, I mean you can't really just look at it as a book. Every bit of the Bible was not originally intended to be a structured book, rather it is a compilation of ancient manuscripts written by God's prophets and apostles. The Bible is really just a collection of ancient texts where every bit is written differently. You have narratives, poems, prophecies, wisdom literature, eye witness accounts, letters and information all within the Bible. That's why it is impossible to put the Bible into a genre of literature. It is not intended to be a plain narrative and never intended itself to present one point of view. The style of writing and many things are different between Bible chapters. I recommend this RUclips channel titled: The Bible Project, its pretty informative in terms of contextual background
I see where you are coming from here, it is plausible that people could have made stories up in terms of Bible prophesies. As the famous atheist historian Gerd Ludemann affirmed that Jesus' death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable, we can know that the New Testament is reliable. Well, lets talk about the Mosaic Law in terms of slavery and many other laws. First of all, its important to know its purpose. The Mosaic Law was given in order to set Israel apart from other nations as well as helping Israel stay with God until the Messiah arrives. This Covenant made between Moses and God is temporary, meaning that these laws will one day be fulfilled. Now, back to why the Bible condones slavery, if you read clearly, the slavery mentioned in the Bible is mostly voluntary, given that people are able to offer themselves as servants to others if they are in debt. On top of that, if you had read Matthew 19, you will see a passage where Jesus explains the law. See, the law was never meant for the Israelites to become perfect through it. The law also did a part in regulating not abolishing evil. Moses allowed for divorce and many other laws, and yet the Jews could not keep it perfectly. It really shows the sinfulness of human beings that is in a desperate need for a savior.
hiith says: *If God is the one punishing us, why does he need special requirements for forgiveness?* Because God won't force you to be with him if you don't want to be. Forgiveness allows us to be in God's presence. That's why we have to make the choice to accept or reject the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is God's gift of salvation to us. It all comes down to our own free will choice and that choice is whether or not we want to have a relationship with God.
Three days, three nights means just that. Three days, three nights. No big mystery folks. Just Jonah, in the whales belly the Son of Man was in the heart of the earth. Jonah typified Jesus in the OT. Moses typified Jesus in the OT. King David typified Jesus in the OT. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfil the Law. You have to believe or you will walk in your own understanding.
I fully understand your point of view. In fact, because it occurred to me, I came to your video. The question that remains is this: if God (Christ) cannot fulfill an eternal sacrifice, who can fulfill it? A man? Perhaps, but under what special circumstances?
I was told God can’t get surprised, but he keeps getting surprised every time in the Bible, he regrets crating humans during Noah, and flood earth, and starting from scratch from Noah’s families, than later also wiped the entire human except single family. You don’t change your mind unless you discovered new information that your not aware of in the past, so am not sure if he changed his mind upon new information he discovered or he was legit surprised
Jesus always existed and was the only worthy sacrifice for sin, sin must be punished. He promised man dominion over the earth, therefore only a man can redeem the earth, so Jesus became man (flesh) that his blood may be shed for our sins. John 3:16. Adam didn't have to sin, but God knew he would, so the plan was set before the foundation of the world. Just believe and submit and you shall be saved. God is good.
And in the Bible It clearly states that God works in mysterious ways,meaning we can’t make sense of it,our brain is limited with things our comprehension is out of reach,meanwhile he is outside of the mortal plane.
What type of father would sacrifice his own son? If Christians tell us he's our father.... then I wanna be abandoned and picked up by a *_nicer_* father
5:22 here is where it gets kind of tricky. Jesus, as he died on the cross, paid for all sin and is then in Hell for three days (Btw, i don’t know any of this for sure, i’m just trying to elaborate from what i do know). There, he fights and defeats the punisher: Death, the Devil, the deceiver, Satan, all the same guy. So as he is im Hell, Jesus kicks his ass. After that, he has won the power over him and can leave because he overwhelmed his accuser. So if Satan is trying to get to anybody who accepted Jesus into their heart as their redeemer, No harm will come near them because Jesus paid the price and overwhelmed the death and torcher waiting for them.
3:01 is where you start to talk about why God allows Sin as option. The answer is quite simple: So we have a choice. You see, the whole reason why God created us is to give him glory. What the translation of the word “sin” to hebrew means is essentially missing the goal. The goal is to honor God by what we do. If what we do doesn’t honor him, we miss the point of our creation. God however doesn’t want to force us to honor him because that wouldn’t be a good relationship and quite loveless. So he here comes free will, a blessing as much as a burden. If God had made us perfect without free will and the option of choosing or not choosing him, he might as well have created a Statue to honor him and have fellowship with. So, we have a choice. Nature is we do both things, good as well as evil. That’s our default setting, and since their is nothing in between good and evil, every deed is either one of the two. But then, you say God condemns us to do evil by making us this way. But, would you rather be a Statue, or what you are: a human, with free will?
Very interesting video Hiith. But there's more to it. I was studying Bible with JWs for two years many years ago and i got to know some of their philosophy. You see, apparently somewhere in the Bible it says that Jesus was the very first creation of God, he then made a deal with Jesus (but he had a different name then, it was Emmanuel or Gabriel, can't remember exactly now) before creating anything else, that in case of a sin Jesus will make this sacrifice. And he agreed, then Gid created all other Angels, then Heaven and Earth and creatures then a humans. It was needed because God wanted all humans and angels to be driven by free will and not being forced by to be with God by His will. So in a way, God forseen that people might want to commit sin and made this deal with Jesus. Now, the philosophy goes that this sacrifice is not because of sin of ordinary people. It's because of sin of Adam who was created as a perfect man. Because Adam was perfect, his sin needed perfect sacrifice of perfect Jesus. Adam couldn't do it as he was already condemned so Jesus gave himself to save people who can't do anything about it as they are all imperfect. Interesting Catholic philosophy is in that matter too: who has greater chance to get to heaven, one who was murder and thief or one who was good and decent? The answer is that both have same chances because who is granted heaven is only guven by an act of God's mercy or grace and hence it's a mercy deeds don't matter. Unfortunately the whole thing with free will has a great flow. When someone put a gun to your head and say "do as i say or i will shoot you but i give you free will whether you do it or not" is itreally a free will? No, it's terrorism. And that's what God says - "do as i say, love only Me or you go to hell or die in Armageddon (as JWs say), but you've got free will, I don't force anyone". Sure...
Minor correction: JWs don't believe that Jesus is God, or part of god. They don't believe the Trinity. This correction doesn't substantially change your point, but if you have the misfortune of talking to JWs, you have to be pedantic, or else they ignore your main point and focus on your minor mistaken understanding.
In addition to not believing the Trinity, they also don't believe in a tormenting fiery hell. Their belief is that hell == being dead, non-existence, forever.
Source: I was raised in the JW religious cult.
Love your videos. Keep 'em coming!
Peter Mosier I was raised as a JW too. Yes they would turn back to the hell point. But, as you said, it doesn't change the fact that it still makes no sense. I am so glad to be free of the JWs and judeo-christian beliefs.
This guy does an excellent job of explaining the absurdity of it all.
+Peter Mosier
Then the JW god is much more merciful than the christian god. At least he lets you get away. He doesn't torture you for rejecting his evil, he simply allows you to cease existing.
That still makes him horrifically evil, but much, _much_ less so than the christian god.
My grandparents are/were devout JW's and my grandpa has told me in the past that I am going to hell.
My grandma was in the hospital with pneumonia, they kept telling her she needed blood but she kept refusing.
Het lungs never failed, her heart stopped because it was under too much stress trying to get oxygen around her body with such little blood. So they're devout enough to die for their believes and they've made it clear they believe I will be in hell after I die.
Thank you, I'll use those linked passages.
I did feel at the time he was attempting to scare me into compliance....religious people love to attempt to scare people with lies.
He did make it clear that he won't be in hell, but he's pretty convinced that he will be one of those god brings back, or something like that.
I enjoy the hitchens quote, "They know everyone dies, but they believe in their case an exception can be made."
Peter Mosier First off I tried telling these bone heads that JW's were not Christians because they deny the fundamental beliefs of Christianity, mainly Jesus was created by God as a helper, he is not part of the Godhead, they reject the trinity, they believe in annihilation of the soul and that there is no hell. I was raised JW, 3rd generation, although i knew from a young age that JW's were wrong, it did not stop me from digging deep, with intense studies in etymology and hermeneutics along with history to fully understand the written Word of God.
I think you ex-JW's would agree that JW is a cult and not Christianity, along with catholicism, even JW's viewed the RCC correctly as the anti-christ, and also with mormonism, which is probably the worst of them all as most LDS are involved in Free Masons as they share the same rites rituals and ideals.
I study all religions, this hiith guy and many other here called me a liar for tellign them this all, i think you guy can attest to what I say...using a JW book to disprove Christianity is ridiculous.
I would also like to remind these atheists that argue there is more than one sect of so-called christianity that it proves it is wrong, there are varying ideas of atheism too, some believe in evolution, some aliens, etc.... so that line is a load of horse shit. regardless non of these so called atheist apologists have one thing wrong, they argue against a book they have never fully read, and this is why got caught in this trap of using cult books to back up their atheist position... it would be like me choosing the most outlandish and ridiculous book on atheism to prove how ridiculous they were and then march around like I was so smart... that's what is going on here.
Also we must remember that since were are arguing about the Christian God, then it must be kept in that context, so the God of Christianity is *omnipotent, omnipresent, & omniscient.* That is the very definition of Christianities God, so not one human being can even remotely think as this God, so pretending to know exactly how this God thinks is impossible , I always hear the same old, how can this loving God take away life... well the best answer is, who better to take a life than the one who can give it back!
Anyways... I have much much more to say on this , but one thing is for certain, trying to battle Christianity by using cult literature like JW's RCC, LDS, shows their stupidity and not lack of belief, but lack of knowledge, which isn't as hard to figure out as this hiith and the rest here make it.
God sacrificed himself, to himself, to save everyone from himself. 🤔
Religion describes a behavior set up around worshipping a deity/supernatural being with rules, rituals and creeds.
Christianity fulfills all those requirements.
A relationship is a two way interaction. God seems weirdly absent from that relationship if you go by the behavior of most religious people.
Words have meaning. Get educated about it!
borrowed tomb That's a conditional love. God love you if he died for you. This is not a loving God who love is unconditionally.
he is not torturing us, he send us to Hades, because they are no place for sinners in heaven and outside of light is darkness. That's the place he doesn't want us to be.
@borrowed tomb
Simple solution, coulda made us kindhearted..
I laughed.
I guess I'm going to hell.
I hope the spaghetti monster ( our TRUE lord and savior..) forgives me..
Another thing that doesn't add up for me is, if Jesus was sacrificed for our sins to be forgiven then why are we still born in sin and have to pray to and worship god for our sins to be forgiven again? This makes Jesus's sacrifice pointless.
Kerry Small
Christianity is just a dumb religion
Exactly
wait why do we have to worship god to have our sins forgiven? since when does the bible say that?
@@jeremiah9722you picked out the word worship when he fully said worship and pray. The point is why pray for forgiveness if he died for your sins. The death should symbolize the forgiveness sacrifice…. Which would render our prayers for forgiveness redundant.
Yeah! And why are we born with sin anyway? Is what Adam and Eve did more powerful than what Jesus did on the cross?
i’ve had this very same problem with believing in Christianity my entire life. It just does not add up. I used to ask people in the church to explain it to me and they really couldn’t. They were stumped.
Because it contradicts logic
Follow the Muslim metaphysician RUclips channel and you will know what are the logical problems in Christianity.
from what my dad told me god sent jesus,he died for the sin of adam as we were meant to be like adam till he sinned. We are meant to be immortal but he disobeyed god so had to be punished with death which is why he told him he will die in a day. What jesus died for was the sin of adam as we are son of daughters of adam so we inherited the sin but because jesus died for our sins we are now meant to be immortal but inorder for this to happen we need to die and go to the grave and wait for judgment day when people die no one actually goes to heaven we go to the grave and wait for judgment so when people say they r going to heaven no they arent lol
but this is just what my dad told me i personally havent researched this and just getting into the bible but i hope it help though good day to you man
Also contradicts logic the flying horse of Mahoma. It seems all religions need proofs @@alsanabani
So... It's like if a judge made the law and made people such that they could break it, then tormented them for being his faulty creations by his own bad design, drowned most of them, then impregnated a random woman and finally allowed these sinning people to kill his own son.
And that made him forgive them???
Hailfire08: It's not the way you see it... but it worked! Thank God.
@@mariodiblasio8058 Ah yes, the Poetry Saga with all those tidbits summarized in one explanation. How'd it go again?
I laugh when Christians try to convince me that Jesus made a noble sacrifice to save me. He's an immortal god. You can't die if you're immortal, which means he didn't die. So he didn't sacrifice anything, except maybe a three day weekend.
I brought up this to a christian friend of mine once, and he basically said "We cannot know the reasons god does these things"
That's always their go-to excuse when they don't know how to respond lol
Which is another way of saying "I have no answer to your completely reasonable question."
“God WOrkS In mYsTerIoUS WAys…”
You shall not question Big Brother
@@IsaacLikesGameswell why not? Why should we know something that is created by someone who is more divine etc. Ants can’t comprehend what humans do, so we shouldn’t comprehend everything what a god does in general. Then we wouldn’t have faith.
You've got to question a religion in which the central and supreme being - turns itself human just to sacrifice itself to itself to save its own creations from the wrath of itself.
I know right
God(Father) has a Son, and Holy Spirit!
Christianity is not a religion it is a lifestyle
God's Warrior
Yaaaaaas!
God's Warrior Its a fairy tale written by Neanderthals who knew nothing about how the world works. Soon all these Abrahamic religions will be extinct like Greek Mythology, Egyptian Dieties, Aryan Thor Gods, Etc. They will turn into a Disney movie lmao. Weak minded fool. Its hilarious how you justify a "God" that punishes what he created.
Whenever I ask a Christian how three days of death can equate billions of eternities in hell, they always say Jesus was an infinitely large sacrifice, so it balances out. I never know what to say after that.
Say it was an infinitely *small* sacrifice. One day of torture and two days of death out of an eternity of being.
It wasn't even three days. He was crucified on a Friday evening, and rose from the dead on Sunday morning. So at most, HE was "dead" for about 36 hours, not 72 hours.
What you don't take into consideration is that God still suffers today. His heart is always broken because he is so well-acquainted with unreciprocated love.
Our Grieving Lord, Your god suffers? that's a weak god you have there. Everything from sin to flooding the earth to becoming his own father in human form so he can die to save his creation from himself - is totally his fault. no excuses. Think of the billions and billions of lives that are/will be lost. He deserves the broken heart and so much more!
The decisions of humans aren't his fault any more than the decisions of other people are your fault.
I’ve been asking these questions for years!! Answers have been.... you just have to believe, you just have to have faith. No Logic!!!
You will find your answer in EF dawah channel
Follow Islam
@@ohdomme771 Follow the truth found In the Hebrew Scriptures
Logic doesn't get all the answers, belief in Jesus Christ gives you assurance that you don't need all the answer and that you don't have to worry about knowing it all
@@Pizzalover21 I met super man yesterday he even took me to the sky’s , defeated Planet destroying villains and introduced me to all the other justice league members. This is totally true my guy. Now you don’t need logic or prove or evidence you just have to BELIEVE.
this is something I have been thinking about recently, i completely agree with you. here are my thoughts on the matter: firstly, jesus did not commit suicide, he was crucified. secondly, suicide is a sin. thirdly, if Jesus was such an amazing and inspiring person would it not be better if he had lived so he could inspire more people? also, I really don't see how him dying resolved everyone else of their "sins".
Think about this:
Why did Jesus teach self-mutilation as a solution to avoid going to hell.....when He knew he was saving everyone from hell by dying on the cross?
I'm perfect. All knowing. All powerful.
I'll sacrifice myself to myself in order to forgive myself.
-Perfection 101
Anti-theist Atheist on top of that, he didn't stay dead so basically he's didn't die.
kit p And on top of that : the person in the Bible named Jesus never existed
Anti-theist Atheist
Not to be a prick, but we don't know if Jesus was ever a real person or not.
But we can say that the story in the bible is pure bullshit. It was the Romans who would of killed Jesus, in one of the most painful ways to completely disgrace him. They would not of let Jesus to of been taken down just because of a Jewish holy day and they such as hell wouldn't of given him the honor of a tomb. They did every to take away the honor of the people sent to death this way.
You are basing your reasoning on a false assumption. 1) He did not sacrifice himself. 2) His son was created by him and he loves him as any Father would.
3) People killed his son.
4) They were both in agreement to allow these events to happen so we could be saved.
5) there is nothing men can do, that the Father cannot undo.
6) Why did the Father allow men to kill his Son?
To prove how wicked mankind can be, and how loving They are?
Why is mankind so wicked? Mankind was created to live by laws that promote love. When men reject those laws they become unloving. Slaves to base desires and unright thinking
History is the proof!
Michael Deo
Man wasn't created, we evolved via natural processes and we continue to evolve..
Man creates laws in an attempt to live together peacefully.
Man is human, we aren't perfect.
History is proof of this.
I literally had this exact conversation with some christians yesterday. I really think they hadn't ever questioned the sacrifice logic before, or even thought about questioning it. Don't think I convinced anyone, but I definitely got some of them to question their beliefs a little.
That means that those Christians have yet to learn more about God and secondly God doesn't work like a human he's logic is not something humans can always understand, that's what differentiates man from God
@@Pizzalover21 Ahhhh the good old excuse. God is god therefore he’s beyond our understanding. 🤣🤣🤣. You can literally justify any nonsense using this argument.
@@peacefulman9369 yes but if you read he's word some of your questions would be answered but of course you would rather just talk without having any experience, or research
@@Pizzalover21 Ahhh shut up with this non sense
What we have here is the "God of the Gap phenomenon." Religion can only exist in a bubble of ignorance called FAITH. The problem with science is that it keeps filling the gaps with knowledge thus narrowing the space in which religion can play its games. Why does the sun rise in the east and set in the west? Because every morning the god Helios puts the sun in his chariot and rides it across the sky. That worked wonderfully until some blasted scientist proved that the earth rotated giving the illusion of the Sun rising and falling. OK, but if God didn't create the animals, where did they come from? Evolution. Drats! Christians like to stump atheists with some question: How could the universe be created from nothing? "Well," says the atheist, I don't know how that happened or even if it did happen." "There," says the Christian. "It could only happen at the command of GOD." Your ignorance has just been filled with God. Of course, the Christian's proof is FAITH.
Im a Christian but i hve my doubts about christianity because like you said it doesn't really make sence
Look into islam my brother, I promise you will not regret it. Everything adds up in islam, it is simple, and the holy book in Islam, The Quran, has been perfectly perserved for 1400+ years. You can look up about that more. The Quran has predicted things that would happen or were discovered centuries after it was already said in the Quran. Things like the expansion of the universe, etc. There is not one question you can ask that will go unanswered my brother. There is a reason Islam is the fastest growing religion in terms of conversion rates. If you have any questions my brother, just let me know.
@@Thatguynumber1_ No, you both need to leave both cults and become Atheist.
@@Thatguynumber1_ Islam is an even bigger mess than christianity...
@@Thatguynumber1_enough with the bullshit islam doesnt make any more sense than christianity
Stay a Christian these are satans tricks
My grandmother used to take me to Catholic church with her on weekends, my mom didn't believe, but she wanted me to form my own opinions, and we would talk about stuff later. It was time with my grandmother, but she helped me process things, helped me come to my own conclusions...
I can't express how many times I got yelled at by priests for asking this stuff...
Here's another aspect to the whole "sacrifice" myth: it wasn't jesus' supposed death that "saves" us from god's wrath, but rather _believing_ in jesus' death. If you don't _believe_ that jesus died, then you don't get the benefit of that blood sacrifice. Why not? That means the "sacrifice" was meaningless. It also means that the ONLY "sin" that his death covers is the "sin" of not believing, which means that nothing else is really a sin.
In other words, all xians are "forgiven" automatically because of their belief, and all non-believers are "condemned" automatically, regardless of any other action, including anything to do with the Fruit of Knowledge. That seems awfully convenient, right? So the religion creates the "sin" and then, by chance, it just happens to be the only way past the "sin".
I don't see how anyone can look at this and not see the con job that it clearly is.
I see what your saying !! Thanks for that !!
CASE IN POINT: The Creator allowed his anointed One to be murdered. God never said in the OT that the blood of his anointed one will be needed for the
remission of sins. God requires of us to forgive others but we simply forgive with our hearts. God did not require us make an atonement for others in order to forgive. God doesn't do the same when somebody sins? Is that too much for God? You don't have to confess your sins and repent just
because you believe in a human sacrifice as an atonement? In the New
Testament, we read the atonement and the human blood sacrifice for the
forgiveness of sins as well we also read the opposite in the NT that you
need to repent and believe in the gospel otherwise you won't make it.
So when is the human blood sacrifice relevant? if the NT tells you you
need to repent and believe in the Gospel of the resurrection and God's
kingdom in order to be forgiven of your sins...that"s it! Acts 2:38
However,
where is that 'phrase" in the Old Testament as a messianic
prophecy..."Word for Word"?????. Just as it was quoted as it was written
by the prophets. If it was not quoted by the prophets then how reliable
is that statement in the NT?Did the Creator really use a human
sacrifice to forgive people's sins or Did the Creator use people's
confession of their sins and repentance with a humble spirit for the
forgiveness of their sins. Where did the concept of human sacrifice came
from ... for the forgiveness of sins? What did the Messiah say
regarding the forgiveness of sins? Mark 1: 15 Watch the video for more
insights. If you are interested in animate lol don't click the link but
you are interested in the real truth..please help yourself.
ruclips.net/video/CzrWlONmk1k/видео.html
@@TorahisLifeandLight _"CASE IN POINT: The Creator allowed his anointed One to be murdered."_ -- First, you have to provide evidence that there is a"creator". Second, you'll need to provide evidence that he had an "anointed one". Third, you'll need to provide evidence that jesus actually existed and wasn't just a fictional character out of a book of fairy tales. Fourth, you'll need to provide evidence that jesus WAS actually this "anointed one". Fifth, you'll need to explain how your god could have stopped it, and sixth, you'll need to explain how jesus supposed death is any more relevant than the death of any other completely innocent person on earth. After that, we can get into the details of the fable.
@@dienekes4364 FIRST, my personal experience gives me the reasons to believe or justify my beliefs...my personal experience and research won't satisfy anybody but me. I don't have prove anything to you or anybody since you can't prove anything to me as an atheist you are. That's why talking to an atheist is a three ring circle. lol
but here is my rebuttal anyway for the sake of entertainment. LOL
SECONDLY, the "word anointed one" means something you don't know in the Hebrew culture because you know what Christianity believes but not what i believe in.....because I am not Christian.
THIRDLY, the Bible is a historical document verified and reviewed by a peer group of Scholars which it itself is EVIDENCE. It's not a book which was never reviewed by anybody. That would be considered a fable book. The Hebrew Bible is a historical book not just a regular book written by some dude. So, you can find the biography of the Hebrew Messiah there and more things that have assisted many scholars in different areas of science...anyway, iam not talking about the Roman Messiah. That's Christianity my friend. Israel was a nation not a religion like most people think. So, the Bible was and is not just a historical book but a legal document for the Jewish people not gentiles.
Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Point: the Hebrew messiah was murdered. There is nothing funny about that. Example: Just like if somebody will murder one of your family members, you wouldn't carry the gun or knife on your chest right? or you wouldn't believe that your relative's blood will save you from you faults right? You see ? Christianity is wrong to misinterpret the Hebrew Bible with these kind of absurd doctrines. No wonder ..they get so much criticism. His human sacrifice or blood atonement is a christian belief not my belief. That's not how the Hebrew Bible teaches it anyway. It's irrelevant if the Creator could have or not have stopped anything. Many Jews have been murdered unjustly. What difference does it make?
Nice try atheist! Go and listen to more lecture garbage of bible scholars who are atheists. I know how atheists get their information. LOL
It's hilarious and delirious to see how atheists love to hear lecture of Bart Erhman or others like him.
@@TorahisLifeandLight _"FIRST, my personal experience gives me the reasons to believe or justify my beliefs..."_ -- Except, it really doesn't, does it? Unless you think that there is not the most remote possibility that you might be wrong about something. Are you really that arrogant? Can you be SO conceited that you think you could never, ever be wrong about anything? But that doesn't even really answer the question, either. Do YOUR personal experiences justify MY belief in your bat-shit crazy superstitions? The answer is obviously no.
_"SECONDLY, the "word anointed one" means something you don't know"_ -- You really are pretty arrogant, aren't you? Do you think you can read my mind? How do YOU know what *_I_* know? How do you know that I don't know more about this subject than you do? I've been studying this idiotic superstition for decades. Have you even read your holy book? I'm guessing not.
_" THIRDLY, the Bible is a historical document verified"_ -- Really? Can you name even one thing in the bible that has been historically verified, or are you just regurgitating this mindlessly? I'm guessing the latter. There isn't a shred of evidence for the Exodus, for Moses, for Jesus, that the Hebrews were even in Egypt, for the tower of Babalon, for the Great Flood, the list goes on and on. Not one single shred of evidence. Oh, and before you say, "Well, there is proof that some random town mentioned in the bible was real at some point!", are you saying that the existence of Chicago proves that there is a wizard there named Harry Dresden? If not, then the existence of a town in a story doesn't prove shit.
_"Nice try atheist!"_ -- Well, since I'm obviously succeeding, yes, a successful try is usually considered a nice try. As for you, nice failures trying to defend your position.
If a neighbour shoved a note under the door informing me he had sacrificed his pet parrot, I would want to move. There is no way I would consider this psychotic act a gift. I feel the same about the nut job Yahweh and his lust for human sacrifice as if it accomplished anything or justified the misery.
Roedy Green: This psychotic act? Is that what you call the greatest act of God's love? And, where will you move to? Where? God forgive and bless you.
@@mariodiblasio8058..... Love & Suffering are two different concepts..... If I love someone I wouldn't want him to suffer
Where is it written that God says enjoyed human sacrifice?God purposed that Jesus Christ was the only one who could truly give salvation to the world
@@Pizzalover21 why though why only Jesus ? I’m so confused now. Why not a woman? Why not just forgive everyone instead of having to sacrifice someone
It's simple. God sacrificed himself to himself so he can forgive us things he himself forbade us.
God the Father is not the same as God the Son.
God can't die, also, there are things the Father cannot do that Jesus must do, and the Holy Spirit has His work as well in our Salvation that neither the Father or the Son can do.
The Bible says in James 1:13 that, "...God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:"
But Jesus was tempted. And since the Father cannot die, Jesus had to take on human form so that He could die for us. Our sins caused Jesus to take this position. The wages of sin is death!
For more: remnantofgod.org/trinity.htm
Paul H so how does it became one God?_
That statement..
Its ignorance.
@Timothy Lei also if you want to add another personality that would be satan, that's why he can't destroy satan, it's because satan and him are both two sides of the same coin. You can't wipe the enemy out of existence if it is you. But then again I dont believe that bs.
Jared Petersen that ignorance about a Statement.
It’s ignorance.
I wanted to add, thank you for being sincere and producing your usual quality, logical video. You have definitely forced your viewers to take stock and question and express their own beliefs. Well done.
Y does the sacrifice even needed? God is all-powerful, he can just forgive our sins if he wants to. This whole salvation thing makes no sense.
Also wouldn't God being dead for 3 days have a large impact on the universe...? If God was the one keeping the universe in order...?
not really... he took a nap just after 6 days of creating it and world stayed fine :-D
Haven't you read the Bible? It had a huge impact! The sun went dark, the earth opened up, the dead got up and started walking around. Unfortunately, nobody else seems to have noticed or thought the events were strange enough to write about.
GOD Pangea is a lie, lands don't float around, and looking at the Pangea map, Mexican is gone, some countries are upside down....Also once again another religious atheist who never read the Bible, thinks he can critique it, God is 3 in 1, it even says God raised him...lol please keep making a fool of yourself
David, So who was Jesus' Mom? Oh, wait, I know ... Mary ... but, but Mary became pregnant, and God never asked her permission to impregnate her, which makes God at least a spiritual "rapist". He only consulted her after the fact. Did God have a Mom? Can't remember any mention of here.
+SimpleGTA "The sun went dark" Its called the moon meaning night time "The
earth opened up" Pangaea splitting "The dead got up and started walking around" "The dead got up and started walking around" Also how did no one write about it if its in the bible?" A fairy story's contents are not admissible as proof of it's factual validity. Otherwise we would have to believe in Hogwarts, the Gingerbread House, Mordor, and Empirical Death Stars.
Nobody other than those under the god delusion wrote about it. Josephus, who documented even the most trivial aspects of life in Judea, didn't see fit to mention dead people walking the streets. An eclipse,m he failed to mention that either. Pangea splitting is plate tectonics, it began when the earth cooled enough for a crust to form...hardly a consequence of god dying. It is STILL happening by the way.
It's easy no confusion when u see Jesus peace be upon him as a great messenger of God.
Indeed Jesus pbuh said im servant of god
Are you a Muslim?
@@themysteriousnavi6850 They are. if your read someone say "peace be upon him", that's a muslim right there.
[Quran 19:30] [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of God"
oh fuck the quran thats faker than anything else
jesus is the son of god
Bible and quran are 2 sides of coin
Atheism is best
@@rudra20048 lol atheism is also a religion you’re fooling yourself you believe in nothing makes you jo different than an animal and these two have major differences
@@undeadbounty Atheism is not a religion... (._.)
My question is: If God is so humble and fair, why are people suffering out on the streets? Why are innocent lives being taken because of murder?
What also gives no sense is when people look at Christianity and see no logic in it, they turn their heads away from every religion instead of trying to find the truth, what is logical, and what actually gives sense.
I read them all and none of them make any sense. If logic is what drives you, starting by not believing is the way to go. Believing is accepting without unambiguous evidence. And that, in and on itself, is illogical.
And when you read each and every religious book available with no prejudice, you quickly see how they make zero sense (unless you are born and raised in them OR you have a problem in your life and desperately need something to lift your burden).
If God is perfect, then how could he create something imperfect? Creating something imperfect implies that God is flawed in some way himself. If God is flawed, then he can't be God.
"If God is perfect, then how could he create something imperfect? "
Nope, because it doesn't mean he made something imperfect by mistake. If he made something imperfect on purpose, his perfection isn't an issue. There are gazillion ways to question the idea of a (perfect) god but this one isn't one of them.
You have surprised me young man. I thought you were in your 40's. You had some much knowledge and expressed yourself so well I assumed you were closer to my age.
Very smart....Keep up the good work.
To be honest, those ideas are dead simple and accessible early on. The fact that some people older than 40 can still think Jesus died for our sins is the thing that amazes me the most.
I see hope in humanity when youngsters think like you do. Great logic. Keep it up.
I have commented on this issue with a prominent atheist elsewhere. So I will use the text of this comment here. It is far more in volume than what persons in a public platform as this are accustomed to, or willing to plod through. But I often find it difficult to meaningfully participate in a discourse with persons on these issues, what is called "debates" are largely mental kickboxing in which the only objective is upmanship, and the rule "win at all cost". I solicit your patience, if the text at any point relates to any personal act intent, or position not expressed, please bear in mind it was addressed to another host. It begins largely verbatim in the next paragraph.
We need to clarify something I believe to be important in a discourse with any expressed atheist, very few of them are truly clear or honest in their approach to the idea of a Supreme Intelligent being or Creator of all life and the universe. Few say they are not sure if there is a God. The point is that the majority is not a neutral group that says; WHATEVER!. They are seen to be too reactive always prepared for an argument, contentious, and often angry, not only about the existence of a God as Creator of all life and the universe, but maybe even more towards the God of the Bible and the Person of Jesus Christ set forth by Scripture as the 'Son of God'. The unfair approach of most atheists is expressed maybe unanimously as being free from providing reasonable grounds for their position that there is no God. They say the "burden of proof" is solely on the theist or Christian. The old arguments and cycle of repetitions continue. So on this, I will cite the words of a very prominent atheist who was also a famous scientist, Stephen Hawkins, he said: "ONE CAN'T PROVE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. BUT SCIENCE MAKES GOD UNNECESSARY". Here is one intellectually honest atheist, the first part of his statement "ONE CAN'T PROVE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST", proves what we always knew and expresses that the atheist position is neither based on science nor reasoning as they fanatically claim. Even worse than the Christians's position is that they unscientifically deny all of the presented facts and evidence of Creation and an intelligent Creator replete in the design of the universe. No wonder a wise person said: "IT TAKES FAR MORE FAITH TO BE AN ATHEIST THAN A CHRISTIAN". The second part of his statement is even more telling: "BUT SCIENCE MAKES GOD UNNECESSARY". this will be seen to be the root of the atheists' position, he is not really seriously concerned whether or not there is a God, rather he is opposed to the idea of having someone he imagines has higher authority over his life. If you were listening you would hear that the host of this channel was enjoying the freedom he claims to possess as an atheist.
Ironically, atheists believe their free will makes them totally free even from any perceived Creator. The hypocrisy is that they are the ones who blame God because he is not seen to intervene in the physical realm to stop things they deem unpleasant or counterproductive to them. On this issue of "JESUS SACRIFICING HIMSELF..." as some absurd and ridiculous act, there is so much that cannot be addressed even mildly in a medium as this, but let us see if we can make a few fundamental points. The Person of Jesus Christ and His Mission can't be dealt with haphazardly without the grand scheme of God from the Old to the New Testament. The very thought of any human being trying to show that God's nature is flawed is what is utter absurdity and illogicality. Even though the host might claim he is not referring to God in personal terms because he is an atheist. But, there are things the human mind cannot avoid though it might claim liberation from the sentiments of lesser minds. How could the Creator of all life be seen to be indebted or dependent on mankind for things the natural mind perceives as important to God, such as worship love, etc. This IS WHAT IS BOUNDLESS ABSURDITY.
First of all, it is at God's loss that He would have chosen to create human beings with free will. But what else could be a greater act of a Benevolent Creator? It is the greatest privilege, and of course, it carries the greatest responsibility and consequences. So wouldn't it then stand to reason that Human Accountability and Judgment would then become conditional with this exclusive privilege? What is the universal position of the atheist here? They are seen to charge God with being unwise if he is all-knowing, as he expressed that he had regretted making man. But don't the dumb animals also have free will, we see that they are largely ruled by instincts, but nonetheless have free will. A wild animal can kill humans and not always as prey, but God does not intervene observably to prevent these acts. Isn't it totally confusing that the human species with superior intellect which many atheists boast about as traits of superiority above their own kind, is seen to destroy their own kind in alarming proportions above that of wild animals? It is also absurd that most atheists never seem to be bothered by the fact that believed rational human beings continue even massive annihilation of humans in crimes of violence, terrorism, and worst of all military conflicts which are romanticized by not just Dictators but, multitudes of people who follow and worship political demigods as leaders. Yet many of these take issue with God.
I continue with simple reasoning, though I can think of many Scriptures that speak perfectly to the bigotry and self-deception of the human mind. Maybe I should mention one here Jer. 17:9 THE HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, AND DESPERATELY WICKED WHO CAN KNOW IT? This is not referring to those we deem the most depraved among us, but the common man. Intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally immature minds will assume, that as they can arbitrarily dismiss, rationalize, and romanticize the tragedies of human existence, so does or should God. God is not arbitrary neither does he arbitrate. His Sense of Justice is transcendent. God did not simply put on a show with the Mission of Christ. It was the profound wisdom of God to hold every human being responsible for the decisions and actions of his own will. The entire Bible is consistent in documenting and revealing the marvelous unfolding of God's Plan for the Redemption of fallen man. Abraham was called to OFFER HIS "SON OF PROMISE" ISAAC. The very thought of this was beyond what any rational human could comprehend, but that was exactly the point, it was a Sacrifice of the Highest Cost, WHICH ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN EASIER FOR ANY FATHER, THE OFFERING OF YOURSELF OR YOUR SON?. That is a no-brainer for anyone, but the "narrative" as it is often referred to, is that he was offered no alternative. it was only upon the moment of action that he was stopped and offered a substitute. How many centuries was this act before Christ? Only the totally closed mind would consider the two acts totally unrelated, especially when it was the same God who spoke to Abraham, who was also the Father of Jesus Christ, seen to be the true "SON OF PROMISE" from the very beginning.
Christ's death will still seem like something not quite real, as in truth He was not purely human, but even the mind not intellectually exercised will be seen to be far beneath its capacity, how much more what Scripture describes as the spiritually ignorant mind of man. 2 Cor. 2:14 BUT THE NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD; FOR THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM; NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. There is that word bandied about so much in this video, "FOOLISHNESS". Be sure this is not an evasive tactic by either God or the Gospel writers. Scripture tells us the FOOLISHNESS OF GOD IS GREATER or (WISER) THAN THE WISDOM OF MAN. The CRUCIFIXION IS NOT DRAMATICS BY GOD. It is the greatest courtroom evidence for the SALVATION OR CONVICTION OF MAN. If God put this on for drama he could not be a Just God, because it is not an act for which any human being shall be forgiven. Scripture reveals that ALL MEN INCLUDING JUDAS WILL BE GUILTY OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE ONLY PERFECT HUMAN BEING THAT EVER LIVED. The Blood of the Old Testament prophets is also MENTIONED IN JUDGMENT OF O.T people. But let even CHURCHGOERS REALIZE THAT TRUE CHRISTIAN SALVATION IS SERIOUS ABOUT THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST. The Lord's Supper in every church, is for this purpose as well. 1 Cor. 11:27 WHEREFORE WHOSOEVER SHALL EAT THIS BREAD, AND DRINK THIS CUP OF THE LORD UNWORTHILY, SHALL BE GUILTY OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD. It is not theatrics it is Evidence That Will Damn You for Eternity, Or Acquit You on A Plea of Guilt. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH JESUS?
the human mind cannot fully comprehend the Cost of the Sacrifice by God, because as graphic as was the CROSS AND CRUCIFIXION. It was never physical death that caused God and Christ their real suffering. Few persons might fully understand that there is suffering that is worse than death for many. Life can be a worse sentence than death. This is why many foolishly blame God for what he chooses to do with human life, this is so simplistic. Some folks can tell what seeing certain things or even imagining them can do to them, it can even result in death. THE BIBLE TELLS US CHRIST WHO KNEW NO SIN NOT ONLY BECAME FLESH BUT BECAME SIN FOR US. SOME PSYCHOLOGICAL CONDITIONS CAUSE PERSONS TO EXPERIENCE EXTREME AND EVEN LIFE-THREATENING REACTIONS ON SIGHT OF THINGS, THE AVERAGE PERSON HAS NO PROBLEM WITH, THESE IN HUMANS MAY BE IDIOSYNCRASIES, PHOBIAS, AND AVERSIONS. The Bible tells us GOD CANNOT EVEN LOOK UPON SIN.
But try to imagine that with a Holy God, HE EXPERIENCES TRUE SUFFERING TO EMBRACE INTIMATELY, WHAT OR WHO HE CANNOT EVEN LOOK UPON. All the best.
I couldn't bare to read your entire reply but I can understand that this topic will invite long winded replies. I would like to clear up something that you mentioned and that Atheists like to blame god for not taking action in certain situations, well in conversations we may give credence to the deity just for reference sake but this is only to explain how the concept of this deity doesn't make sense! As an Agnostic Atheist I can't blame something or someone that I don't believe exists. Blaming this deity for anything would be the equivalent of asking why Superman did stop the 911 tragedy! As far as Atheists saying that the burden of proof is on theists to prove that god exists and Atheists cannot prove an negative, well this is has to looked at from logical perspective. I wouldn't ask a Theists to prove that god exists because they can only provide evidence rather sufficient or not that I may receive as so and we Atheists can only present arguments as to why the evidence is not convincing to us. I hope this reaches you and is worthy of a reply and when I have more time I will finish reading the rest of your comment. Thanks for sharing 👍
If Jesus is God, he doesn't have sacrifice himself, he can simply just forgive them...
That’s only applicable when you use logic
"What Does the Bible Really Teach"? Damn, one of my friends in middle school was a JW. It makes so much sense now. Gave me that book (which I didn't read because I didn't care), didn't celebrate birthdays.
Well Jehovah Witness don't really serve the Lord as normal Christians
Bible says the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who perish, but to those who Believe it is salvation. Plus this guy already made up his mind to believe his way. You see this guy condemned his, He's seen God's will, but the bible is it's best answer book, we walk by faith, not by sight. He has questions, but turns down the answers. That is on him.
No the bible doesn't have all the answers. He mentioned some great points.
Please explain why Bible has been curropted, changed altered and makes no sense?
@@travescolt7389 the Quran makes no sense either
@@nitochi3 don't worry I am agnostic.
@@DialysistechniciansworldwideHe thinks God made sin.
I have a question. If noah's family was the only humans who survived, how come we have many races?
We've adapted to our environments differently over thousands of years.
@@PridelessChickz Genetics says otherwise. We are NOT descendants of a single family.
Ive been looking for a video explaining this because I think about it all the time how ridiculously UNjust vicarious punishment is
Hate it when walking my dog and jehova's witness are on both side of the streets.
Julio Barbosa most JWs don't want to come over to people walking on the street. I used to be one.
Jared Stansfield Where I live they do stop you and try to promote their filth. They even stand in some corners with a portable shelf fill with their propaganda.
Yeah I never did that bullshit, I am glad to be done with it.
Get a meaner dog.
I find the best thing to do is loudly and boldly start laughing uncontrollably, then pause and say, "You actually believe that nonsense?" Then continue laughing as you stroll away.
The part I find nonsensical is that all Jesus did to atone for our sins is die. Sure, that sounds flippant, right? But that's nothing special because god is already making us ALL die for our sinning.
So for Jesus' 'sacrifice' to mean anything, we have to NOT die -- ie., live forever.
Jesus was simply doing what absolutely ever human has ever done -- but Jesus wants special credit?
PhrontDoor: It is your sin that kills you my friend, not God. And, what a waste...
it's all forgiven at the cross.... God bless you.
@@mariodiblasio8058 Really and all that because that's what you God wanted and decided. If your God could create a better universe or put his stupid forbidden fruit into another galaxy. He wouldn't be sending peoole to hell.
Your God is the one set the rules that make people sinners.
And what a nonsensical phrase. If all is forgaven. Why do Christians die then? You see how you can't fake stupidity in your religion l?
@@technobrain1461: You should learn how to spell Bill. God bless you.
@@mariodiblasio8058 Your God doesn't exist.
@@technobrain1461: He does Bill; in fact, not only He exists, but also He loves me... and He gave Himself for me... AND for you... AND everyone else on the planet. You are only responsible for yourself; your denial of Him cannot affect me or any other believer. God bless you.
The reason Jesus had to be sacrificed is because God can do nothing without blood magic.
Seems speaking was enough to create the heavens and the Earth... no blood is mentioned in any of these creation events!
Jesus is God
Rembrandt: Hi Rembrandt; God can do whatever He wants to do. For instance, the 1.5 million babies, of various gestational age, that we kill every year (in this country alone) He transforms into little angels whom He takes with Him to Paradise. God bless you.
Rembrandt972: Was it magic that turned Rembrandt into a "magical" painter... or was it a talent from God? I give you one guess... and I bet He has one for you too. God bless you.
"will a mother EAT her own son? him she dandled on her knee? the apple of your eye" "they all lied,let him NOT cease" (save your son,dont eat him) lamentations 2-3 .......and you must eat my flesh and drink my blood...NT..Churches teach mary needed salvation too and had to eat him too...paul says he is chief of sinners and to bear with him awhile.........how will you bear with someone you've never met? how will "all nations "hate" one woman" ? inside of them...a woman they've never met but all will be made to hate? God to achieve his purpose will "make" all nations hate the woman/whore" what purpose making all hate one? to prove to them they are under mind control?
If anyone wants to truly understand why Jesus died, look into the original Christian thought behind this event, as found in the Eastern Orthodox Church. The JWs are Arians; they teach an old heresy known as Arianism that was formally condemned by whole Christian Church in the 4th century.
God did not send Jesus to die to appease His bloodlust. Rather, God the Word, the "Logos" as He was understood as Christianity made inroads in the Hellenic world, became incarnate for us, lived a perfect life (thereby conquering sin itself and returning human nature to its original state) and died, thereby conquering death itself, the final conclusion of sin and the unfortunate separation from God.
What I'm saying is, God took His people's sins upon Himself and forgave them all through an act of immense love, similar to the way a soldier offers himself by dying in a war to protect his nation.
Exactly Islam is the one that makes sense.
Maybe because Christianity copied Zoroastrianism?
Hi, you have a great sense of morality young man.
I enjoyed listening to your arguments because they make much sense if someone uses own good inner sense of morality (not poisoned by the surrounding culture) and applies it to the "mainstream" Christian theology.
Following your same arguments, many years ago, when I was as young as you, I was very near to becoming an atheist because if I have to choose to believe in a God with highly questionable morality, or in no God at all, I'd rather chose the latter.
But... I tell you what... after much experience in life, and much reading, and studying and pondering... I found out that isn't God immoral.... but it's the mainstream theology that uses wrong arguments and turns out giving a picture of God as an immoral being.
The idea that every man deserve punishment due to original sin, which was committed by their far far far very first ancherstors Eve and Adam, is immoral itself.
Human justice (at least in the so called "civilized" world) doesn't punish the children for the crimes commited by their parents; it would be an unaccettaple injustice if that would happen.
So, if human justice doesn't do that, how can we believe that an all loving and all just being as God is told to be, could be less just than the human justice?
Doesn't make any sense.
Also, as you well said, not only mankind is supposedly deserving God punishment due to the "crime" committed by their ancestors thousands and thousands generations earlier, but the delivery of such UNJUST punishment is allegedly waived due to the punishment delivered to a single innocent man which is said is even more innocent than any innocent man as he's not affected by the so called "original sin/crime".
That's also immoral (to punish an innocent because of the crimes committed by others) and it doesn't make any sense; not in terms of equity (because the amount of punishment delivered to the innocent is likely near to almost zero compared to the amount of punishment waived, so why not waive it all and spare the innocent?) not in terms of logic (if God is only tied to His own will, why if He wants to be merciful to mankind, he still needs to deliver a punishment to an innocent?).
But... then, one day, I finally understood the solution to the mistery that can put together a loving God, an original sin, and the sacrifice of God's begotten son himself.
First of all, if there's anything to understand out of the reading of "The book of Job" (included in the Bible) is that suffer IS NOT a punishment from God... God doesn't make people suffer to punish them... indeed punishment isn't something that viable for an all loving being.
The great mistakes that do all religions is to think of God as a man, a "father", therefore as authority BEFORE than love... while God is likely more like a woman, a "mother", therefore as LOVE BEFORE authority.
So, what is the original sin? and why it's passed from generation to generation? and what the original sin caused? and why there's need of sacrifice to repair the damage caused by the original sin?
Here is the answers.
The original sin, IS NOT, as they all teach you, the disobey to God's authority which therefore would cause God to deliver a punishment... the original sin is THE LOSS OF TRUST on God's love. Such loss of trust (due to Satan deception and free will) has caused the mankind to detach itself from God's love, and that's why end up living in a Godless earthly realm where there's suffer... not as punishment but as consequence of losing the love connection with God.
Because such trust and love can't be easily recovered in a Godless world, all the generations that came after, which didn't know God, had also suffered.
So why Jesus, God's begotten son, has incarnated on earth? and why he sacrificed himself not just his earthly life (that is not much valuable after all) but bearing one of the most terrible torture ever conceived by men?
Because Jesus has come with a message which is the WAY to restore our trust in God an our love for God through Jesus. So, it's NOT Jesus resurrection or His death that SAVEs, but His message (His WORD) and His WAY (so, it's the WORD that can save us from the eternal void once we die. The VOID is what expects who can't love God, because outside God there's only the void in the spiritual transcendent dimension, or there's the immanent universe, which is where we experience our earthly lives).
But WHY Jesus had to suffer that much? why so much sacrifice in terms of terrible PAIN? why He HAD TO go through that?
The answer relies on the mystery of suffer, love and free will.
God loves us, HeShe wants us to love HimHer back, but can't force us to love HimHer... love is such only if it's a free choice of heart.
So God's love doesn't allow HimHer to do anything which may violate our free will... to interfere in our lives with HisHer direct manifestation, which wouldn't make us love him, but rather be submitted to HimHer.
So... how can an all mighty God prevent HimHer self to interfere in the life of those who HeShe loves. What can prevent the love of a mother to run to her loved son that she miss so much?
Suffer... only the suffer of the loved can stop the loving one.
So, this is my theological theory, if God tries to alter the laws of nature in any way and interfere in our world, that will cause us MORE suffer (in addition to the suffer already caused by men and by the earthly life). God made our universe in this way so to protect us, to protect our free will, from HisHer wish to interfere.
God's love doesn't want us to suffer (more than we already do) so God can't interfere in our world.
God CAN do everything, but because of being concerned of our suffer and our free will, God's love stop HimHerself from using his power. In other words, it's NOT that suffer exists as a punishment because God is immoral and doesn't love us or God isn't powerful enough to prevent suffer, it exists for a number of reasons, and one of that reasons is that it's a "device" that can even stop God from interfering with our free will.
But there's an exception... if a man bear the suffer and voluntarily OFFERs such suffer to God, then God is allowed, for the amount of such suffer, to do MIRACLES in this world (many Godly men, saints, have been through a great amount of suffer that they voluntarily chose to bear because of their love for Jesus and God).
Now, we all know that Jesus has become so popular because of His many miracles, not because of His army (like in the case of Islam and it's prophet), but those miracles (including His own resurrection... see how the Shroud of Turin, the burial cloth of Jesus, defies all known natural phenomena) have required and caused the violation of laws of nature, therefore a great amount of suffer had to be VOLUNTARILY offered to God, in order to make them possible.
So, thanks to Jesus sacrifice, He had been empowered to defy the laws of nature, to show signs to the people of that time, that made them to believe him without doubt and made them to love him because His sacrifice was also the proof of His love for us. And through the love of Jesus, many people had found the way to trust God's love and find their way back to HimHer, to salvation, and eternal life and joy.
Therefore Jesus sacrifice IS NOT, a punishment that has been delivered to Him instead of to the sinners, so that the sinners can be waived from receive the punishment.
Jesus suffer is what has been needed for Him to be able to deliver His WORD to the whole mankind (and provide us a WAY to God/heaven) and in a way that men have still full complete free will if to BELIEVE and TRUST in God's love or not.
Thank you Jesus. I love you Jesus :)
Amen
But what if there are intelligent species on other planets ? Did they inherited the original sin too even if they are not humans ? Did Jesus die for them too or only for the human race ?
I don't know the answer... but I wonder... does it matter?
Anyway, as I believe that Jesus main mission on earth was to deliver to mankind the message about "how" to live a godly life and therefore gain eternal life after death, those who couldn't be reached by His message (because of time or space separation; like those who lived before Jesus or those who lived where Jesus messages didn't spread yet) are not supposed to be within the scope of His mission.
So, I logically deduce that Jesus didn't come for those who may live in other planets.
If there is someone living in other planets and if they are too, like men, living a life disconnected from God, I guess that the love of God will cause Him/Her to provide them a way to reconnect to Him/Her through love.
Wow-I wish I had had the discernment you possess when I was your age- I’m going to be 50 next year and am finally asking these type questions. I try not to feel foolish for going along with the indoctrination for so long. Thanks for more food for thought on the subject!!
I have to believe it's equally impressive to start challenging your own routine thinking after so long.
Goodbye girl I'm 24 and only beginning to question it. My entire family are born again christians and so I've grown up believing in christ and his sacrifice. A lot of the bible just doesn't make logical sense and going to church has become more of a chore for me now to please my family, and even though its become a chore I personally don't mind going to church. The only thing I do 100% believe in is the bible's moral standpoint
He did not have to die to save you.
"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew 19:17
He will forgive you.
This guy should be a Muslim. He uses his brain! His argument is usually an argument Muslim makes. God could just forgive just like in Islam, no one has to die.
Except.. this guy has some pretty strong criticisms of Islam too, watch his other videos
You are not off the hook. Islam is just as logically flawed. Don't try and make it look like Christianity is irrational while islam makes perfect sense. I doesn't. I know because I was born and raised in this religion and I studied everything that there is to study about it. it's interesting as a myth but totally irrational too.
Jesus get to suffer for a long weekend and then gets to be god and live forever? I'll take that deal any day.
Locutus D'Borg: The deal is not for you; what is for you... if you want it... is the result of Jesus' sacrifice... eternal life. God bless you.
Just imagine the pain
@@mariodiblasio8058 That is Very Stupid.
God gave us free will we aren’t just zombies that blindly follow him. Because of this he thought humanity should be punished but Jesus saw good in people so he sacrificed himself. When god saw that his son was willing to die for humanity he decided that we should continue to exist as he saw the good in humanity. Jesus sacrifice is deeply symbolic human logic doesn’t work when your talking about the actions of an all powerful being beyond space and time.
If he is powerful beyond space and time, why did he need to see his son willing to die for a humanity that had some good in it? Isn't he omniscient to begin with? Why a sacrifice (violence) is needed to accomplish anything? What kind of blood needs blood to not do something and to realize anything?
Imagine your are parent and your child brakes something on purpose, in front of you and your response is to whip yourself. It is a really brutal punishment you don't deserve and the child learns nothing. If we deserve to be punished it makes sense that we would be punished it does not make sense for someone else to be punished. Just like when the royalties of Europe use to have whipping boys instead of punishing the young prince or princess someone else's child would take the punishment. Something goes wrong therfore somebody needs to be punished is not how things work. The guilty person should be punished and corrected fairly so that no further harm is done, not for the sake of vengeance.
but god is not the one who is punishing us actually, its demons. He sends us to hades
@@jesusdiazzz6369 that doesn't make sins
People tickle me, they always wanna blame God for bad things or for this and that. Here's my question, how come nobody ever blames the devil? Everybody wants to bad mouth the Lord, but never blames the enemy? Want some advice? Be careful how you put your mouth on the Almighty- God is not mocked.
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ makes PERFECT sense if you comprehend it properly, which it surely is NOT by the vast majority of people who claim to comprehend.
God commands us to become WHOLE and PERFECT like himself, in order for us to enjoy the same sort of existence which he enjoys. If you are whole & perfect, then you know ALL things, and you comprehend ALL things, and you have experienced ALL things. God has existed forever and a day, just like us. The difference is that GOD has existed as GOD forever, and almost for that additional day as well. That particular day was when God existed like us.
God has not always been God. And God himself has revealed this. But since he's the only God to whom we are responsible, we must OBEY God if we are to become more like God.
Where are you now? What are your thoughts after six years?
Not defending Jehovah's witnesses, but to me atheists trying to "understand" religious concepts without any theological background seem like uneducated people trying to understand quantum physics.
Read the biblical texts (in their original languages, that is), read up on theological explanations and concepts throughout the last few milennia dealing with all that stuff and then come back and let's have a qualified discussion about it.
Until then don't pretend to be able to "debunk" or "disprove" religions or what you consider "illogical".
(By the way, i studied both christian theology, including learning to read ancient Hebrew and Greek, and physics, including basic quantum physics and some of the mathematics behind it, and i don't think studying theology is in any way easier or less "academic" or "scientific" than studying phyiscs - although both use vastly different methods to generate some level of understanding, of course).
It's great that you ask critical questions, it's a pitty that so many atheists seem to convince themselves that they've already found "the" answer (by just "thinking about it" for a while, mind you). Just consider if that's really the way you want people to understand a complex reality and religious beliefs. You don't accept if someone denotes physics for being too complex or seemingly illogical, why demand from religious beliefs and theological concepts to be easily to understand?
After all, you wouldn't accept someone just thinking about some physical concept and come up with some seemingly obvious reasons why it "makes no sense" either (like: "Schrödingers cat being dead and alive at the same time? How does this make any sense?"')
You are wrong.
People are supposed to have faith in a religion. And there are a bunch of those. So they are supposed to assess the one that make sense to them.
Basically, what you say is "don't think, just pick your side on a hunch and just don't ask questions (to yourself or to others) because you are not savvy enough to answer those or to evaluate the logic behind them unless you are a scholar.
Yes, some could do their "research" but most wouldn't be able to do so or to understand the yielded results anyway.
Your analogy is wrong because you can't possibly understand quantum superposition if you are not a quantum physicist alright but you are not supposed to burn in hell if you don't get it either.
If one is condemned to remain uninformed and has to stay that way, it's a hard sell to say that they can't assess the truth on their own but will still be judged accordingly.
It's a religion for the masses, isn't it? Yet, its fundamentals are beyond the average mortal while their fate depend on those.
So, don't you think either your way of thinking is flawed or those religions are inherently paradoxical?
@@lexmachina8961
You are wrong. I never said "just pick your side and don't ask questions."
First, for me there is no "side" to pick when it comes to searching for the truth. Not between sciences and religion, and not between different religions. Those are different approaches towards one reality.
Second, i don't know if you really understand what "having faith" means in a religious sense. You can't talk yourself into having faith. Faith is an answer to something you experience and to how you experience the world. It's not without doubts and questions though, on the contrary: Your faith needs to be verified which can only be done by living.
Third, you don't "pick" a religion that "makes the most sense" (see point 2). That's exaxtly the kind of misunderstanding of religion i tried to describe.
So no, i don't advertise "religion of the masses" and i don't think the fundamentals of religions lie beyond "the average mortal" - on the contrary: It's what deep inside you know or believe to be true what connects with you.
Just as you seem to be an atheist because the core assumptions of atheism seem to connect with you and your life experience the best so far.
You showed the flaws in your own thinking: It's not necessarily my thinking that's flawed here or religions being paradixical, it's your understanding of my thinking that's flawed here: You created an image of me and my thinking that's wrong and therefor you argued against a strawman.
That's the meaning of Ex 20:4 - don't create a false image.
I hope this answer helps you understand something rather than triggering youinto thinking you're being attacked.
Have a nice day.
You just wanted to tell us that you have studied theology because your friends and family have probably asked you why a million times
@@AlliterativeAtheist
You should try doing some studying. Maybe then you'd be able to make more insightful comments.
All I can say to that is that creation is more complex than destruction..
Amen
VERY GOOD VIDEO!! Well thought out and explained.
@ hiith
Jesus' sacrifice makes sense to us Christians, and that's why we continue to believe it despite all the attacks you and others make against it.
This video makes a very good statement. Please explain to me and if it makes sense then I will believe in God. After many study meetings with JWs and I still don't understand the bible is a bit bizzare. Humans did not change after Jesus' death, but if somehow you have an explanation for this then please share it with everyone else.
Self righteous people don't know who they really are. They don't see how sinful they are and how rebellious they are against God. They need to be saved.
What I wonder to The full most is why couldn't The God of The Bible have just given His creation a perfect nature from The start??? So That There wouldn't even have to be a such Thing as Sin or A Judgement Day for That matter???
If tech designers can make and design computerized phones Then The God of The Bible SHOULD have The Power to do infinitely better.
I am 36 years old by the way, Black American male.
Young man, you are very well researched. As a retired minister and teacher , I consider your rationale to be spot on. People believe based on their emotions and traditions.
Has Jesus says "I am god or worship me"
Jesus says don't drink and yet they drink but still defending the rules when someone opposed it....then they said..Jesus forgive all and everyone gets to live in heaven...wow..then hell will be no people in there...if Muslim will be put in hell...then what happens to the Jesus love..it shows that Jesus is not fair at all...if Jesus is god..why did he die...if Jesus is god.. Why he is being killed...if Jesus is god..why he doesn't know when will the doomsday happen..
Hi, my problem with Jesus’s sacrifice is something like this: God presumably is all powerful being who created whole universe by simply speaking it into existence.. So this comparison example won’t do the justice to how powerful god supposed to be but it should suffice.
Right, let us take analogous case with a genius person who not only invented maths but also discovered electricity, mastered electronics, came up with all that sophisticated software languages and built this supercomputer environment on which he runs a game called “the earth and universe” …
As we can see there were some hiccups in his design hence fall of Adam and Eve, the flood etc..
So now this greatest mind to exist came up with an idea that he’s going to create himself a game character called Jesus (his avatar in the virtual world he created) I don’t see this a sacrifice of any sort. He literally kills his avatar/toy in the game (the universe) he has total control of - can someone tell me where is the sacrifice here?
If you got all the way here thank you for your interest! And tell me what you think.
Why did god need Mary to "make" Jesus? If a "blood relation" to David was absolutely necessary (and that is a complication only introduced by connecting the Messiah myth to a mention of "the house of David" in a random OT verse... ignore that verse like so many others DIRECTLY related to the messiah legend, like him dying of old age and WINNING INDEPENDENCE FOR ISRAEL! and you do not even need any blood) just take ONE drop of blood from some random offspring of David's being circumcised and form the new body from that blood drop!
Do i need to mention that my deconversion was finalized when i realized that Actual Authors trying to invent complicated stories about the universe and our place in it did a much better job of coming up with a cosmology and explanation for why things are as they are than the bible and "god"??? :D That shit really can only impress you if your standards are crawling in the dust or if you live in times where NOTHING ever has yet surpassed that treshold of creativity and this IS "on the edge". Being a Christian in 2018 must be so tiresome as you have to actively suppress your brain 24/7 or the manifold failures of the book become unsurmountable for it to stomach!
@borrowed tomb A sacrifice is if you push someone out of the way of a speeding car and get killed yourself,
not just jumping in front a car and getting killed,how is that a sacrifice,more like suicide,death by cop in Jesus case ,
and how does it help anyone?
Firstly you're comparing a man who created the universe and the earth to humans who created things that make life comfortable and mind you God has done he's creation by the help of three godly presences, while man created their luxurys after millions of years and it took millions of brilliant minds gifted by God to get to where we are as humans and Jesus Christ is the only person powerful enough to take the keys of death from the Devil so he can give everyone a chance of salvation
@@Pizzalover21 makes zero sense ... but thanks for trying
@@ukaszGelChulo how so?
Andswers: God isn’t punishing us, he’s protecting us. We don’t know what is right, only He does. He gave us the law for several reasons. Most importantly, for us to see how broken we are without Him. Secondly, to guide us. Jesus’s sacrifice was necessary because God is the most just being in existence. In your judge example, that judge letting a criminal go wouldn’t be an act of justice. By definition, that’s an unethical act.
The sacrifice was enough because Christ was so perfect. I’d argue, that even a pin prick to Jesus would be enough suffering to justify humanity. He was just that perfect. You can’t understand this if you don’t first recognize the perfection that is the Son.
I’m not a Jehovah’s Witness, rather an evangelical Christian. If you have any questions just ask and I’ll answer. I’m a HUGE skeptic of everything so I’ve looked into every piece of this and still, I am a Christian. Nothing in this world makes more sense. God bless.
I'm a Christian and I never looked at it that way. Yeah that does sound crazy. The crucifixion of Jesus is not the only incident in history where crucifixion was used to forgive the sins of mankind. It appears to be a shared story down through time.
The Bible does not say in multiple places that God caused men to sin. I honestly don't know where you got those facts from.
Sin is a violation of God's desire for us to love him and one another in ways that HE says exhibit true love. We have all fallen short of that standard.
When you are older, and a father, you'll understand that a loving father will do whatever he can to save the lives of his children --- even if it means taking the punishment they deserve onto himself.
There are some here who say Christianity is a guilt trip. Its the exact opposite (at least the denominations that carry the TRUE GOSPEL). The good news of what Jesus Christ did for you is that you don't have to carry the guilt of your sin anymore.
You don't have to run from God for fear of judgement. The price has been paid. All He is asking is that you believe what He did and ask for the new life He has planned for you: a life that restores the relationship between God and man that was lost long ago.
Please don't mock the greatest love that has even been shown to you.
If you have experienced an Earthly father that was either completely absent in your life or present but abusive, I am truly sorry. Just know that is not how our heavenly Father is.
Amen
Comments like this are why youtube needs to have a laugh react like facebook
I wish you all knew how foolish you sound . The greatest love ever received?? Give me a fucking break dude
I always thought it was Jenova's Witness, when I was younger. I was like "there is a FF7 religion? sign me up!"
Great one Hiith! The problem is they regurgitated (as usual) a pagan story of the 'scapegoat'. And yes it is typical primitive stupidity. Aned god loves the smell of death and burning flesh. OT says god's nose is pleased! (Abel's animal sacrifice, Cain jealous, kills, god can't figure it out. lol) Love and Peace
Oops, that was and god, not aned! Dummy typo. Love and Peace
Lara Jarrell: Love and Peace are welcome Lara. The rest of your argument is definitely stupid... primary or secondary doesn't matter. God bless you and get you out of the jam.
@@mariodiblasio8058 what is your religion? Islam? Christianity? Judaism?
@@xxxEarthEliafairyxxx : Hi; I do not have a religion. I have a relationship. God bless you.
@@mariodiblasio8058 🍌 take this for saying paganism is false while you're religion destroyed so many civilizations across the globe and causing genocide, wise people burnt at the stake and so on.
That is intelligent to question some of those teachings.
I have always wondered why there is still sin around since Jesus was supposed to die for our sins.
Thanks for questioning this thought process!
Jesus died for our sins, but it doesn't mean sin has been eradicated cause God still gave us free will, but by the praying by the name of the Lord we can be forgiven of our sins, it didn't mean we won't sin but we should abstain from sin and anytime we do sin we can be forgiven by the Lord
WOW! a complete loss of empathy which marginalises self-giving love.
"it is our case against this exhaustive and logical theory of the lunatic that, however right or wrong it may appear to him, it gradually destroys his humanity”
(G.K.Chesterton)
Listening to this guy makes me sit back and marvel at how much of an idiot I was for even dedicating a second to this religion or religion in general 😩
yeah waste of life time. People invested their lives for their spot in "heaven" which in realistic standpoint is never gonna happen.
CASE IN POINT: The Creator allowed his anointed One to be murdered. God never said in
the OT that the blood of his anointed one will be needed for the
remission of sins. God requires of us to forgive others but we simply forgive with our hearts. God did not require us make an atonement for others in order to forgive. God doesn't do the same when somebody sins? Is that too much for God? You don't have to confess your sins and repent just
because you believe in a human sacrifice as an atonement? In the New
Testament, we read the atonement and the human blood sacrifice for the
forgiveness of sins as well we also read the opposite in the NT that you
need to repent and believe in the gospel otherwise you won't make it.
So when is the human blood sacrifice relevant? if the NT tells you you
need to repent and believe in the Gospel of the resurrection and God's
kingdom in order to be forgiven of your sins...that"s it! Acts 2:38
However,
where is that 'phrase" in the Old Testament as a messianic
prophecy..."Word for Word"?????. Just as it was quoted as it was written
by the prophets. If it was not quoted by the prophets then how reliable
is that statement in the NT?Did the Creator really use a human
sacrifice to forgive people's sins or Did the Creator use people's
confession of their sins and repentance with a humble spirit for the
forgiveness of their sins. Where did the concept of human sacrifice came
from ... for the forgiveness of sins? What did the Messiah say
regarding the forgiveness of sins? Mark 1: 15 Watch the video for more
insights. If you are interested in animate lol don't click the link but
you are interested in the real truth..please help yourself.
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You're not an idiot for believing in the Lord
@@mkmllrc how do you know?
Not religion in general, just find the right religion. Honestly the only two that make any sense are Judaism and Islam. And that’s because the two are almost identical in their main belief.
Christians theologians contradict themselves and they offend God. On one hand they say that God is omnipotent (all-powerful/almighty) and on the other hand, they claim that God needed to trade with Satan, paying him for the sins of the mankind with torturing Jesus. That is offensive to God, as this thinking makes God and Satan equal. If God is almighty then he simply may forgive the sins of people. Just like in the story from New Testament in Matthew 18:21-27.
"Matthew 18:21-27; English Standard Version (ESV)
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.
23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.[a] 24 When he began to settle, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.[b] 25 And since he could not pay, his master ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant[c] fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him, the master of that servant released him and forgave him the debt."
If God is omnipotent (all-powerful) then he does not need to arrange the killing of anyone to "pay" for any debt. God may simply cancel the debt like in the parable above. Making God equal to Satan CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIANS OFFEND GOD!
Christians paved the way for Satanism. Actually, Satanism evolved from the Christian religion.
How can He cancel the debt if you don't ask Him to? How can He cancel the debt if you don't acknowledge that there is a debt? How can He ever have a chance to show mercy to you if you don't think you need mercy? Be careful that you do not build a house of cards with logic that is ill informed, do you really think that your logic is greater than God's? Do you think that you would be able to stand toe to toe with Him and debate His decisions, especially when you don't really have the facts straight, or let alone have even bothered to seek Him? Read Job 37 and 38.
Satan does not run hell, God created Hell for the devil and the other fallen angels because they "knew" and yet they rebelled. All things in Creation are of God, both good and evil, He is responsible for all those things. Demons do not even want to be in hell, 'Legion' for example would prefer to be sent into a herd of pigs rather than be sent to Hell.
Each of us has an opportunity to choose for ourselves whether we will worship God or not and this earthly existence is the perfect place to give the humans a chance to make that choice free from coercion. Otherwise, if you were forced to "know" then would you really have a free choice to make? The whole point to all of this is that we must find it in ourselves to be humble and let go of our pride. And to realize that we were created by Him and that there really isn't any reason for us to drift away from Him other than our own selfish pride. He has a lot to teach us and one of those lessons is that we firstly don't know everything and secondly that we have freewill to make choices, it's like proof of freewill. I'm pretty sure He would prefer that people worship Him and witness to His magnificence by their own freewill rather than by forcefulness. Hell is that place that is completely absent of God's love, joy, mercy, grace... and I do mean 'absent' of all those things.
Would you let someone in your house who does not acknowledge you or your ways?
Seek Him and you shall find Him. That's where the proof is at. Many people argue that there should be proof of God in the world, but how can there be proof of God in the world if God is not of the world? Why would you even want it that way? We each get the opportunity to find Him without any of these other sinners getting in the way and leading us astray. Humble yourself, admit that you're a sinner and that you would like that free gift of salvation and you shall receive that mercy from Him. But you won't if you don't ask and seek. That's pretty simple.
Brandon Brownlee Thank you for an interesting comment. I just think that most of theories of atonement created by Christian theologians are not logical. I could accept only "the moral influence theory of the atonement". I will go into details at the weekend when I have time dedicated to religion. May Allah/HaShem bless you.
+Brandon Brownlee
I see that generally we agree with one another, except that I recognize Jesus (s.a.) as a prophet, a great teacher and healer, and you probably claim something more. Concerning the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.), I believe that the worst enemies of the Prophet are some Muslims, especially those who believe in incredible Hadiths written nearly 200 years after Muhammad's mission. Many Hadiths simply defame the Prophet and are the projection of warped minds of those who told and noted down those stories. We have the Holy Quran, we have our rational thinking and civilizational context and that is enough. The Holy Quran is also a poetic book and some passages need to be understood metaphorically. Also some concepts like "Hell", "Satan", "Salvation" may be understood metaphorically. According to Kabbalah, Satan is is in everyone, it is the proud human ego. So humbling oneself is a good idea in respect to all religions. That is what I call Reform Islam.
I like some of your thoughts:
"All things in Creation are of God, both good and evil, He is responsible for all those things."
- I agree with you a hundred percent. Allah/HaShem encompasses all.
"Each of us has an opportunity to choose for ourselves whether we will worship God or not and this earthly existence is the perfect place to give the humans a chance to make that choice free from coercion. Otherwise, if you were forced to "know" then would you really have a free choice to make?"
- You are right, God usually does not force us to know. Usually. But wait, actually sometimes, maybe once in life, maybe twice, you experience something that forces you to believe. But even then, you can ignore it or acknowledge it. You may remember it (or even note it down) or suppress it and forget. Human memory is plastic. When you want to forget something, you will forget. Yes, that is the free will. Actually, I have collected enough data to be 99,9% convinced, that materialistic reductionism is a wrong way of thinking.
"Many people argue that there should be proof of God in the world, but how can there be proof of God in the world if God is not of the world?"
How Jesus is reported to say: "Seek and you will find".
I see many proofs of God in the world. In physics (just consider the double-slit experiment), astronomy (in line with the Holy Quran), medicine. And of course strange "coincidences" in human history. A good example is the creation of the Jewish state, foretold both in the Book of Isaiah and in the Holy Quran. When you think about the history of Modern Israel, you will see that everything that has happened since Theodor Herzl's mission, was indispensable. Even the Nazis and and the Holocaust were necessary. Without the Nazis, Israel would not have been created (crucial Fifth Aliyah between 1929-1939). Withouth the Holocaust and German Holocaust reparations, Israel would probably neither have survived the economic crisis after the war in 1948, nor the following wars. And it may be no coincidence that, almost just before signing the Reparation Agreement with Israel, West Germany rose from the ruins and experienced a rapid economic boom, known as "The Miracle on the Rhine" or "Wirtschaftswunder". Thanks to that "miracle" Germany was able to pay Israel the Holocaust reparations. At that time the most critical factor for Israel was obtaining material assets - the young state had enough people. Tens of thousands of Arab Jewish refugees were living in tents in refugee camps waiting to be absorbed by Israeli economy. The German reparations (paid over 10 years) were very well invested in infrastructure, transportation, equipment for about 1,300 industrial plants and purchasing fuel and raw materials for developing the industry. So the German economic miracle was mirrored by its Israeli counterpart.
In human history, we can find other examples of astonishing "coincidences".
At the end, I will quote Max Plank, a genial physicist and the father of quantum physics:
“As a physicist, that is, a man who had devoted his whole life to a wholly prosaic science, the exploration of matter, no one would surely suspect me of being a fantast. And so, having studied the atom, I am telling you that there is no matter as such! All matter arises and persists only due to a force that causes the atomic particles to vibrate, holding them together in the tiniest of Solar systems, the atom.
Yet in the whole of the Universe there is no force that is either intelligent or eternal, and we must therefore assume that behind this force there is a conscious, intelligent Mind or Spirit. This is the very origin of all matter.” (Planck, as cited in Eggenstein 1984, Part I; see “Materialistic Science on the Wrong Track”).
Salaam / Shalom / Peace
Yeah I recognize Jesus as being the Son of God. Partly from my experiences that I've had in life with Him and revolving around Him. As well as taking His word for it. We could ask ourselves how much of what He says do we take as being the truth and how much of it is lie?... well that's sort of silly question since we undoubtedly are prepared to believe what He says about Himself.
I agree with you that we can see God's handy work in physical reality. Believers in God are able to look at these things with respect and know that He is God because of the miracle of all these things. And yes I also agree that many physicists and various other big name scientists also believe in God because of what they've discovered in their work. What I meant about people looking for proof of God in the 'world' is that there are certain individuals out there that are sort of waiting around for someone to plop this imaginary piece of evidence into their lap before they will ever decide to seek God for themselves. They think that the 'world', ie the 'system' will be the thing that will hand them God, but I argue that the 'system' will never do that because it inherently has it's own agenda in mind, whether it be run by the devil or simply by man's devices. Essentially by 'world' I mean 'system', I should've outlined that a bit better. So I always recommend that people try to ask God for themselves by prayer and having a humble heart and a true desire to know Him and His ways and His truths. It can be hard for people to put away what they think they know in exchange for finding the truth whatever that truth may be, and ultimately we have to believe that He will answer us.
I don't think that Satan is in everyone metaphorically as you say. I do think that man is prideful and arrogant and that those things tend to be the root of many selfish deeds, and I also think these things can stand in the way of truly finding a relationship with God. But I think there exists an individual spirit known as Satan who was an angel of the Lord but has rebelled and now makes this 'world' his domain as much as it is possible.
Anyway thanks for writing to me, I like some of the things you say as well. I also like physics and studying prophecy. I am sure that we also have many other agreements but we also probably have some disagreements at the fundamental level. I guess the last thing I can think to say in relation to all the things that we've written so far is that I think it's important to point out that there are Christians out there that believe because they truly know and have entered into relationship with God but it may also be at the same time that they don't really understand the full back story and the purpose of what's going on. I don't claim to fully know everything because I think that would be incredibly arrogant as I was not present to witness the foundations of all things. But I do know that Jesus is very real and still alive and well and is very much the Son of God (ie God manifested as a man). The point is that your original argument was that Christian theologians offend God, this is not impossible, there might be someone out there that clings to a doctrine that they halfway made up for themselves and perhaps it has contradictions within it, but this whole thing comes full circle when I restate that proof of God can't be found within the 'world', it really must come for the individual on an individual basis straight from God Himself. Otherwise man just begins another religion and passes it on to someone else and yet another person. That, I believe is what it means to seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you. When a person humbles themself before God and in their heart decides that they really want to know Him and His truth, God will respond. Man's logic is nothing compared to God's, we can so easily make mistakes and yet be so sure of ourselves, and He knows that, which is why we must cast off that pride and surety before Him, admit our weaknesses and sinful nature and just ask for help, ask for that free gift of salvation (which has an affect during life as well as after life, I don't think it's metaphorical).
Peace
God did not only come to save us from sin, he came to defeat death, hell and the devil. In doing what he did, he defeated them.
But what if there are species on other planets ? Did they inherited the original sin too even if they are not humans ? Did Jesus die for them too or only for the human race ?
So the almighty god lost to death huh?
Not much of a god if you ask me.
Wilczu FREE WILL OF MAN LOST TO DEATH... GOD IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE! God gave us free will because to remove free will is to remove true love. We have our own free will and that’s what caused the fall of man NOT GOD. God came BECAUSE HE LOVED US SO MICH HE WANTED A WAY TO GIVE BACK WHAT WE LOST! HIS SACRIFICE WAS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO GIVE US BACK NOT ONLY OIR DOMINION BACK BUT ETERNAL LIFE! Glory to GOD!!!!! What an amazing GOD HE IS!!! HE GAVE HIMSELF TO MAKE AN ETERNAL BODY FOR US TO ENTER IN!!! ONE MUST RECEIVE JESUS IN THE HEART AND ENTER INTO HIS COVENANT RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT BECAUSE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS WHAT REVEALS TO US WHO GOD TRULY IS!!! One must have a relationship with Jesus An INTIMACY WITH HIM TO KNOW HIM. And lean not on our own understanding for OUR WAYS ARENT HIS WAYS AND OIR THOUGHTS ARENT HIS THOUGHTS! God bless you always 🤍🕊🙌🏾🙏🏽✝️🧎🏽♀️
this also baffles me when i think of a all powerful God Jesus doesn’t come to mind why would a self proclaimed Godman be nailed by his own creation
2:22 Thats where the mercy part comes in. You see, mercy doesn’t make sense. It‘s the moment when somebody decides to let someone go free who deserved punishment.
But the fault still needs to be met with punishment. That is why Jesus, the only person to be actually innocent and thereby the only one who is worthy, needed to be the one to die for us.
Does it make sense that he would do this? No, because we are the ones who deserve the punishment. Is it therefor unfailing, unconditional love? It has to be
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God forgive and bless you.
You're not God
The answers can be found in Islam 💙
Dude! So happy I’m a Muslim… Everything makes so much sense. Jesus was a beloved prophet of God, just like all the other prophets. May peace be upon them all.
No it's just another made up myth
I hope you go into teaching Philosophy and Mathematics!
Christian doctrine is even more repugnant than the reasons you cite here … because the doctrine of a “chosen people” is woven throughout both the Old and New Testaments. In the OT, god arbitrarily chose Israel which then led to the doctrine of “election” in the NT. The clear meaning is that salvation comes to an individual only by god’s choice, not by man’s (read the book of Romans). So accordingly, the vast majority of humanity was created by this god as “fitted for destruction” since they lack the saving faith that god has chosen not to bestow on them.
we needed a mediator between man and God someone who knows God and who knows what its like to be human to walk in our shoes to be tempted like we are to fully experience what its like to be us but to have lived and overcome all that is wrong with us the ego, greediness, immorality, cruelty etc etc. someone needed to live and die like us to fully understand both sides to carry the weight of human sin and guilt his whole life was a complete sacrifice done completely out of love to show us how to live in a better way. He bridged the gap between humanity and the creator of humanity his sacrifice makes complete sense. He was innocent and tried and convicted for a crime he didnt do he was murdered by the religious authorities that were completely hypocritical, so his life and death were a complete sacrifice from beginning to the end. The cross of Christ is like foolishness to those who are perishing. Because of what happened to him God made this the ultimate sacrifice one life for billions.
Young man your analysis, deduction, logic and reasoning are boundless!
Trying to interpret insanity can drive you insane, 'eh. Be careful. ;-} Love the vids!
Well said...👍🏽
It is difficult to see how becoming Jesus-shis-kabob on a stick actually accomplished much of anything. What was the big plan supposed to be? To stay dead for 2000 years, and come back to finish the job, later? Why not just do the job right, the first time? And let me check my calendar- hasn't 2000 years ALREADY come and gone?
Yea that’s what I’m saying! What did Jesus actually accomplish. They say he died for our sins but we’re still sinning. Don’t get it
Makes no sense to someone without discernment.
God never made anyone sin actually, Genesis is pretty clear that the whole sin issue is on us, humans. With that in mind, Jesus was tortured and killed for our transgressions since He is all perfect and is the only one qualified to dismiss our case. Yes God is all powerful, all loving but lets also not forget He is just. With all His love and mercy, He cannot violate His justness which if He did, no longer makes Him a good God. Also, repentance is the gateway to change us, from sinners to saints. God never condemned an innocent man since an innocent man is none existent... He condemned Himself to save us.
How can God be all powerful but unable to do something? That’s nonsensical.
If he knew how it was going to all play out, then he should not have created us in the first place. Also, how can he guarantee that someone won't sin in heaven and screw things up again?
And you are incorrect with your argument, so YOU need to do some research... YOUR god could not have been perfect because if he was then he would not be able to make a human that was imperfect. If your god was perfect like the bible makes sure it says enough that you cant miss it, then there would be nothing but perfect. Its common sense
Foomersaved, thank you for being the only one here who makes sense. Praise God for that!
It would make even more sense if God (any God) existed.
Mercy is the suspension of justice. So, god cannot be both merciful and just.
Rob DuMond: Mercy is God's gift! If you were a judge and your son or daughter committed a crime... would you not do all you could out of love for them? That's mercy.
You "skimmed" through a book and now you are an expert on it? Amazing!
Not even lead by the Holy Spirit or asked God for an answer but he goes on to make a whole video condemning Christians smh
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I've got 13 years, clean and sober from heroin and crack.
In the 12 steps...a higher power is suggested, to help maintain sobriety.
I've prayed every day, for 13 years.
It works good for me.
I wouldn't push anyone else into faith.
And,I'm a total science geek.
Love astronomy, NASA, geology, all that.
Just sayin '
Being from a Jesuit school but not currently practicing religion, the main point of the sacrifice was to show the world the extent of the human potential in my mind. Jesus understood the philosophical constructs of our human nature being mostly self interested and wanted to change how we view our own existence through his own selfless actions. Say what you will about how Jesus has been interpreted over the years, but as a man he certainly was a unique and honorable person. Religion was and is an effort to evolve the human condition. Today most of our own morality and character is built on the underlying principles religion instilled in its followers. Any society can dissolve into chaos and in chaos most lose their moral grounding, but with the right culture and credence, a society can sustain order. Your's is to thank and not to judge.
You're using modern logic and rationality without taking into account religious tradition.
Leviticus 4 describes the sacrificing of animals as a "sin offering" which is required to achieve purification after committing a sin or other unclean act. Being "unclean" had real consequences. People could be denied access to the sanctuary and in general could become something of a community pariah.
Of course the problem was it was almost impossible to not do something "sinful" from time to time so sacrificing animals got to be fairly common. Women had to make a sacrifice after childbirth to complete their "purification."
Enter Paul who is smart enough to realize that he can't keep the Mosaic Laws and he latches onto the idea that Jesus' death must be the ultimate "sin offering" and provides a path to salvation without worrying about the details of the Mosaic Law.
Romans 8:3 "For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering."
That's it. That's the whole explanation. Jesus' was the ultimate "sin offering" and essentially eliminated the need to follow the Mosaic Law and continue making "sin offerings."
To us this is bat shit crazy but to the ancients, steeped in the certainty that animal sacrifices were necessary to erase sin, the idea of Jesus as the ultimate sacrifice actually appears to have made sense.
Also, God cursing the ground is actually a mercy. Adam and Eve deserved death and hell right there and as a just God, He had to make sure their actions brought consequences. The curse is better than sending all of humanity straight to hell. God never once designed man to be sinful, men simply chose to be. When sin entered into this world, humanity (due to the curse) was actually given a second chance to restore a connection with God, which goes all the way back to Jesus. Check out the youtube channel The Bible Project, those are some great people helping people understand the narrative of the Bible
tortured in hell for eternity with no way to atone for their "sin" because they took something they weren't supposed to take? wow what a merciful god.
I have explained the mercy that God displayed. God cannot contradict Himself. If He lets them go free without any atonement, He would be unjust. God covered them with an innocent animal to symbolize Christ's covering of sin. Cursing the land was really the lowest of the low type of punishment for Adam and Eve. Atonement was the Messiah that was promised to the Jews and the whole world. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, nobody comes to the Father but by Him.
+Rui Zhong Tay
"God never once designed man to be sinful, men simply chose to be. "
So either man is more powerful than GOD or GOD is a shitty designer that cannot make things the way he intended them to be... pick your favorite, they both disprove your god (as in having or deserving the attributes "all powerful, all knowing and endlessly merciful")!
My friend, what I meant is God giving man free will to choose. He intended for mankind to choose to love Him and have a relationship with Him. I certainly would not want to be a robot. So no, men is not more powerful than God and God is a considerate designer who gives His creation a choice. The only problem is that His creation made the wrong choice, even when that happened, God still loved humanity and died for us. He is all powerful, merciful and all knowing.
why do u consider Adam and Eve eating from the tree a sin that deserve hell .... God gave us free will to choose btw right and wrong and humans learn from thier mistakes .... Adam and Eve were the first humans and it was the first mistake ever how can they learn... God like that didnt give them a chance to learn anything .... the child cant walk from his first try and Adam and Eve cant succed in the first test ever ..... What u should understand is what happened was hust a lesson to humanity to learn from the mistakes of our father and mother and not to listen to the devil as he is our enemy and God sending us on Earth isnt a curse he entrusted us to build it and gave us an enemy to test us and according to our deeds we either go to heaven (and ofcourse by God's mercy) or hell .....
I really think you should do more research and learning, perhaps consult a biblical scholar before making this video because there were alot of misunderstandings here.
The Bible makes no sense because god didn't write it nor did it tell men to write it.
How so? My friend, the Bible is written by God since it contains prophesy that no man could have predicted it so accurately. Check out the amount of prophesies fulfilled by Jesus, it is eyeopening! God chose the prophets to write most of the Old Testament that all points towards Jesus. It takes time to understand the Bible, moreover, it can only be properly understood with the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you. Pray to Jesus to let Him reveal to you the truth, repent and believe, the Spirit will come to dwell with you.
If you want, we can have a discussion, ask me any questions you like about God and the Bible, I will try to answer it :)
Rui, the writers of the New Testament were fully aware of the prophesies contained in the Old Testament. Constructing Jesus stories that fulfilled these prophesies is easily explained without resorting to anything magical. As an aside, I have a hard time believing that any God wishing to gain believers would do so in such a clumsy, immoral, contradictory, and obtuse manner as the Bible. Yahweh's condoning slavery, petty vindictiveness, and other inhumane acts like genocide demonstrates that the entire thing sprang from the minds of people, and not very enlightened people at that. This blood sacrifice rubbish has no place in the 21st century.
Well, I mean you can't really just look at it as a book. Every bit of the Bible was not originally intended to be a structured book, rather it is a compilation of ancient manuscripts written by God's prophets and apostles. The Bible is really just a collection of ancient texts where every bit is written differently. You have narratives, poems, prophecies, wisdom literature, eye witness accounts, letters and information all within the Bible. That's why it is impossible to put the Bible into a genre of literature. It is not intended to be a plain narrative and never intended itself to present one point of view. The style of writing and many things are different between Bible chapters. I recommend this RUclips channel titled: The Bible Project, its pretty informative in terms of contextual background
I see where you are coming from here, it is plausible that people could have made stories up in terms of Bible prophesies. As the famous atheist historian Gerd Ludemann affirmed that Jesus' death as a result of crucifixion is indisputable, we can know that the New Testament is reliable. Well, lets talk about the Mosaic Law in terms of slavery and many other laws. First of all, its important to know its purpose. The Mosaic Law was given in order to set Israel apart from other nations as well as helping Israel stay with God until the Messiah arrives. This Covenant made between Moses and God is temporary, meaning that these laws will one day be fulfilled. Now, back to why the Bible condones slavery, if you read clearly, the slavery mentioned in the Bible is mostly voluntary, given that people are able to offer themselves as servants to others if they are in debt. On top of that, if you had read Matthew 19, you will see a passage where Jesus explains the law. See, the law was never meant for the Israelites to become perfect through it. The law also did a part in regulating not abolishing evil. Moses allowed for divorce and many other laws, and yet the Jews could not keep it perfectly. It really shows the sinfulness of human beings that is in a desperate need for a savior.
hiith says: *If God is the one punishing us, why does he need special requirements for forgiveness?*
Because God won't force you to be with him if you don't want to be.
Forgiveness allows us to be in God's presence.
That's why we have to make the choice to accept or reject the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which is God's gift of salvation to us.
It all comes down to our own free will choice and that choice is whether or not we want to have a relationship with God.
Three days, three nights means just that. Three days, three nights. No big mystery folks. Just Jonah, in the whales belly the Son of Man was in the heart of the earth. Jonah typified Jesus in the OT. Moses typified Jesus in the OT. King David typified Jesus in the OT. Jesus did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfil the Law. You have to believe or you will walk in your own understanding.
I fully understand your point of view. In fact, because it occurred to me, I came to your video. The question that remains is this: if God (Christ) cannot fulfill an eternal sacrifice, who can fulfill it? A man? Perhaps, but under what special circumstances?
I was told God can’t get surprised, but he keeps getting surprised every time in the Bible, he regrets crating humans during Noah, and flood earth, and starting from scratch from Noah’s families, than later also wiped the entire human except single family. You don’t change your mind unless you discovered new information that your not aware of in the past, so am not sure if he changed his mind upon new information he discovered or he was legit surprised
The bible can be easily modified by satanist, so we not sure if its actually what the bible said
If you read many of these comments, you'd get depressed, well I choose to believe and have joy.
God knew that man would sin, but by allowing it to happen He was able to show the redeemed how much He loved us.
I think the biggest question is who created God though
That makes god sound kind of stupid, sorry…
Jesus always existed and was the only worthy sacrifice for sin, sin must be punished. He promised man dominion over the earth, therefore only a man can redeem the earth, so Jesus became man (flesh) that his blood may be shed for our sins. John 3:16. Adam didn't have to sin, but God knew he would, so the plan was set before the foundation of the world. Just believe and submit and you shall be saved. God is good.
God is great 🙏🏽
And in the Bible It clearly states that God works in mysterious ways,meaning we can’t make sense of it,our brain is limited with things our comprehension is out of reach,meanwhile he is outside of the mortal plane.
What type of father would sacrifice his own son?
If Christians tell us he's our father.... then I wanna be abandoned and picked up by a *_nicer_* father
5:22 here is where it gets kind of tricky. Jesus, as he died on the cross, paid for all sin and is then in Hell for three days (Btw, i don’t know any of this for sure, i’m just trying to elaborate from what i do know). There, he fights and defeats the punisher: Death, the Devil, the deceiver, Satan, all the same guy. So as he is im Hell, Jesus kicks his ass. After that, he has won the power over him and can leave because he overwhelmed his accuser. So if Satan is trying to get to anybody who accepted Jesus into their heart as their redeemer, No harm will come near them because Jesus paid the price and overwhelmed the death and torcher waiting for them.
3:01 is where you start to talk about why God allows Sin as option. The answer is quite simple: So we have a choice. You see, the whole reason why God created us is to give him glory. What the translation of the word “sin” to hebrew means is essentially missing the goal. The goal is to honor God by what we do. If what we do doesn’t honor him, we miss the point of our creation.
God however doesn’t want to force us to honor him because that wouldn’t be a good relationship and quite loveless. So he here comes free will, a blessing as much as a burden.
If God had made us perfect without free will and the option of choosing or not choosing him, he might as well have created a Statue to honor him and have fellowship with.
So, we have a choice. Nature is we do both things, good as well as evil. That’s our default setting, and since their is nothing in between good and evil, every deed is either one of the two.
But then, you say God condemns us to do evil by making us this way.
But, would you rather be a Statue, or what you are: a human, with free will?
Jonathan Witzemann statues are Satan. In the Bible said do not worship idols such as statues so bye catholic 🤨
Very interesting video Hiith.
But there's more to it. I was studying Bible with JWs for two years many years ago and i got to know some of their philosophy. You see, apparently somewhere in the Bible it says that Jesus was the very first creation of God, he then made a deal with Jesus (but he had a different name then, it was Emmanuel or Gabriel, can't remember exactly now) before creating anything else, that in case of a sin Jesus will make this sacrifice. And he agreed, then Gid created all other Angels, then Heaven and Earth and creatures then a humans. It was needed because God wanted all humans and angels to be driven by free will and not being forced by to be with God by His will. So in a way, God forseen that people might want to commit sin and made this deal with Jesus. Now, the philosophy goes that this sacrifice is not because of sin of ordinary people. It's because of sin of Adam who was created as a perfect man. Because Adam was perfect, his sin needed perfect sacrifice of perfect Jesus. Adam couldn't do it as he was already condemned so Jesus gave himself to save people who can't do anything about it as they are all imperfect. Interesting Catholic philosophy is in that matter too: who has greater chance to get to heaven, one who was murder and thief or one who was good and decent? The answer is that both have same chances because who is granted heaven is only guven by an act of God's mercy or grace and hence it's a mercy deeds don't matter. Unfortunately the whole thing with free will has a great flow. When someone put a gun to your head and say "do as i say or i will shoot you but i give you free will whether you do it or not" is itreally a free will? No, it's terrorism. And that's what God says - "do as i say, love only Me or you go to hell or die in Armageddon (as JWs say), but you've got free will, I don't force anyone". Sure...