You can change the A-click in the settings to attack the target closest to you cursor rather than your hero. So A-clicking is always the way to go. (given you change you settings)
TL:DR: When it's more important to hit anything at all instead of making sure all the damage is focused on the intended target, melee heroes can benefit from the default setting more, especially for people with less accuracy. For ranged heroes anyway. For melee heroes, I'd recommend staying on the setting which will attack the closest target to the hero. Most melee heroes get some benefit from their auto attacks, like life leech, quest stacks or trait procs. Frostwolf Resilience (Thrall) and Shield Overload (Artanis) come to mind for traits which make hitting that aa more important. If you're not too accurate with those clicks, your hero may try to attack something else, most notably something that isn't within range, losing that damage and potential additional effects entirely. This is probably more meaningful advice for the lower ranks as I assume higher ranking players will be accurate enough with their cursor to make this a non-issue.
@@majdavlk649 Yeah, you too? I have noticed there are inconvenient times during TF that I will be hitting E, most characters' escape ability, or q, and watch it take 3x times before it actually works, and not when I'm being sleeped/silenced/stunned/etc.
4:02 You can change the auto-attack target in the options, it defaults to 'nearest to character' but you can change it to be 'closest to cursor' (Attack Move Target Point, I forgot the exact name of the settings).
I still prefer A for clicking the enemy while stutterstepping. If you missclick, A just fires at a different target. Whatever, right? But a missed right click will run you at the enemy instead of taking the shot. This messes up your rhythm, and might even get you in trouble. A doesn't attack the wrong thing as long as you are actually clicking on the target. Also Bounty Hunter lvl16 is really important for the full trait build. You are looking at doubling the damage your quest provides. If you don't take it, then don't take the quest either.
Great guide! What I like to do as Raynor (is get the talents similar to what you said and bounty hunter at level 16) then stack 3 points of passive, then auto attack, W, D, Auto Attack, Q. You get two procs of the passive and when in late game does heaps of burst damage. If you get dusk wing at level 20, you can also get a third proc quick enough if you time the death of the banshee as well. Purposely killing your banshee at level 20 can provide you great utility and survivability. If you are getting dived on near enemy lines and have already used ur W to escape and E for healing, send ur bansee into enemy forts or spells to get it destroyed so you proc W and E once more, it sounds simple and easy but will save you, trust me!
regarding 3:10, you should mention that there is an option in hots where you automatically target the enemy closest to the point where you landed your "A" keybind, which allows you to reliably use "A" to hit the relevant target
I think the best way to do it is A clicking instead of right clicking, BUT you A click on them like you would with the right click. I come from a RTS back round and I found that if you miss the right click in an intense moment it can be VERY punishing. so the main difference is in the worst case scenario you attack something instead of like at 3:48 you miss a right click and walk up to the target dummy instead. in a fight where you have 100 range in between you and a melee assassin chasing you, and maybe 60 hp that could make all the difference. This might be a small detail, but its the details that make you good.
Nice video , but the "explosive" shot from the trait it is actually every 4th shot , not every 3rd , still a good tutorial and easy to follow nonetheless(especially since I never knew Inspire resets the basic attack cooldown) .Keep up the good work !
@@Mira-rl9qw Now that you said it , I remember that it used to be every 3rd shot indeed , I never play on the test servers myself , only watching youtubers , so you can guess it would be harder to remember such a somewhat important detail , still thanks.
As always: great video. This series is super helpful. 3:55 you can change the settings, so that A will attack the target closest to the cursor instead of closest to the hero. It makes A a lot more reliable.
I think you forgot about 3 rather important things: 1) You should always try to keep your banshee between enemies that use dangerous skill shots that can be "blocked" by your banshee (Stitches, Li-Ming...) 2) Unlike other lvl 1 talents, ace in the hole works on abilities. This also means that your q will heal you for more after 16 if used on slowed enemies. 3) If you like to pick that quest on lvl 1, check how many stacks you got after the game ends. Assuming you have 100% uptime on ace in the hole, you need 105 stacks(could be wrong, i'm writing this at 2 am) to get as much damage from AAs as you would with AitH. Are you "good" enough for this talent?
yeah I actually use A (left mouse click) a lot, sometimes I lose a kill because of it, but it prevents many deaths for me so it's better for my wonky playstyle
@@robinbruce7838 I know you're kind of joking. But I think we're all here to improve, and this is not an advice I would like to give to a beginner. Honestly, even the best players miss 1 click from time to time. If you want to kite backwards, it is pretty difficult with right click, whereas with A, it takes no effort. One example here, from a recent video of Fan kiting backwards: ruclips.net/video/UwJhNsL0v7k/видео.html Watch his mouse cursor, HE never misses (I do, I'll admit with no shame!). Fan is one of the best for mouse accuracy. I watched his video back in the day to learn how to stutter step, it was top notch for the noob I was! ruclips.net/video/b1R87PbsDlY/видео.html
I like lvl 1 exterminator talent because its just helps clear camps so fast and even if we lose objective in maps like garden of terror or alterac pass, this talent can melt objective so fast.
In options you can turn on a thing that says attack move attacks enemies close to cursor intead the closest to player, but it has a weird glitch that your hero sometimes stops doing everything instead of attacking.
I've seen Kala talk about this multiple times. If you dominate and chase there is no problem, but if you want to poke and move back then using A is much safer than right click. If you miss with right click you can walk right into enemies to die, so "more reliable" is debatable. And Kala analyses replay where it happens, so it's not just hypothetical.
I enjoy your videos, NP, and I feel like I am a student being taught at a Shaolin temple. You are a fantastic teacher. Is it possible for you to start your own playlist and have the title "Mistakes You Might Be Making" then place all those videos on the playlist for easier access for us?
One time we were enough players to make a custom game and was able to play against my, I'm always playing in storm league. I've played Raynor and he Kelthuzad and he had a hard time against me, cause I'm naturally stutter-stepping and not standing still against skillshot enemies.
@Milad Zavar Well actually if you A on a character, it will attack this character, no matter the setting. So right clicking is basically just the worse version of attack moving, apart from if you actually just want to move somewhere :P
How do you manage stutter stepping from so close when the ennemy tanks or bruisers will be trying to close the gap on you? Imagine a garrosh flipping you or an arthas just lock you down. I get that you can use your Q. But my point is how to deal with enemies trying to close in on you.
did you know there's an option to make A target enemies closest to the cursor instead of your hero? I generally leave it off but for heroes who you stutter-step AA heavily with, I find it focuses my output better
Hi, can you please make a video on how to pick/play against Illidan in lower league ranks? I'm in silver 4 and against illidan it's often a lose. He's just stomping the whole team nearly on his own. Also Sonyas seem to be extremely hard to kill because of the selfheal. I mainly play healers (like Anduin, Rehgar and BW), but I feel I can't do much against him :(
It's mostly a matter of how you draft. Against Illidan you want a lot of CC and blinds since he's actually extremely squishy and if blinded he won't heal from his basic attacks. So if you like playing BW, next time you see Illidan, pick BW (or even Uther), they have point and click stuns/silences (polymorph, hammer of justice), and focus on CCing Illidan. Skillshot CCs aren't as good against him because he can easily dodge them with Q or W. Don't waste your CC. As soon as he's in, polymorph, and if your team focuses him, he's most likely dead. Also draft tanks with more stuns and/or blinds (eg. Johanna, Muradin). And also don't forget he evades basic attacks, so don't only draft AA heroes like Greymane, or tracer. In conclusion: Stuns, blinds, and magic.
Never give em more? I might be a low ranking player, but if I'm in an auto-attack team (happens from time to time we don't have a mage) the team buff just seems so good together with lowered CD on W
Jonatan Moldrup are you confusing lvl16 Give Me More with lvl13 Rallying Cry? I think Rallying Cry is ok, but I usually go Giddy Up because it’s a permanent speed boost plus inspire gives +16% instead of just +10% that rally gives. Lvl 16 Give Me More is trash compared to the other two on that tier
I’m late to the party, but are you hitting the tanks? That’s one thing with auto attack heroes. They have high dps and can slowly take down tanks unlike mages who burst the back line.
Tira Raymond i think you should be hitting the optimal targets within your range which mean prioritizing hitting carries when they’re in range and hitting tanks when you can only hit tanks. I also think raynor trades some sustain damage (as opposed to valla) for the burst in his q and passive, so perhaps save them to burst down carries.
Im so glad NP made a visual example of this, I think this is excellent for new players and this is exactly what I watched hwen I was new, and very glad I did. Yes, it might be hard to get down initially, but better to start with this concept than hearing about it after you might be "set in your ways"... heroeshearth.com/b/tangentchaos/read/bestnotesevarrr-please-check-out-my-quickcast-and-keybind-settings-for-stutter-stepping/ is where I put together what people are discussing below about remapping keybinds, so that I could stutter s tep, and attack, and change how smartcommands works, so that you aren't f'ing yourself over when you click somewhere and cause issues also described below in comments. I was very disappointed in the amt of time and research I had to do to get this set of keys satisfactory for me, as a lot of the stuff in this post I linked, is all over the place, nothing is in one spot, so I hope this helps many of you to become more precise and find stutter step + attack back in 100% accuracy and control vs the default settings that are awful. It shoudl at least give you ideas on what needs to be changed. Smart commands needs to be rebound so that you dont have weird things happen when you go to activate something on the map. For me CTRL+right click was much better than leaving it on right click to contend with move to attk.
You spent the first 8 minutes on freaking kiting? Why not just do a video on kiting and link it if you want. this was grabbing at a mistake, next time just do 3 if you can't find 4.
the main mistake is to give them salt, when they are clearly asking for some pepper
Give the salt to your teammstes by feeding
XD XD XD
Thanks for this
You can change the A-click in the settings to attack the target closest to you cursor rather than your hero. So A-clicking is always the way to go. (given you change you settings)
TL:DR: When it's more important to hit anything at all instead of making sure all the damage is focused on the intended target, melee heroes can benefit from the default setting more, especially for people with less accuracy.
For ranged heroes anyway. For melee heroes, I'd recommend staying on the setting which will attack the closest target to the hero. Most melee heroes get some benefit from their auto attacks, like life leech, quest stacks or trait procs. Frostwolf Resilience (Thrall) and Shield Overload (Artanis) come to mind for traits which make hitting that aa more important.
If you're not too accurate with those clicks, your hero may try to attack something else, most notably something that isn't within range, losing that damage and potential additional effects entirely. This is probably more meaningful advice for the lower ranks as I assume higher ranking players will be accurate enough with their cursor to make this a non-issue.
Be warned thou that it has a weird glitch where your hero stops doing anything sometimes.
@@majdavlk649 Yeah, you too? I have noticed there are inconvenient times during TF that I will be hitting E, most characters' escape ability, or q, and watch it take 3x times before it actually works, and not when I'm being sleeped/silenced/stunned/etc.
@@TangentChaos Yeah, dont know what causes, any ideas?
4:02 You can change the auto-attack target in the options, it defaults to 'nearest to character' but you can change it to be 'closest to cursor' (Attack Move Target Point, I forgot the exact name of the settings).
Be warned thou that it has a weird glitch where your hero stops doing anything sometimes.
Thanks for the tip. Didnt know this
where in settings do you change this? I am having trouble finding it
@@majdavlk649 real MVP, posting the same advice on two comments
@@cptKamina i want to spread this info so it might get fixed sooner, European players do not seem to be ablebtp report bugs through the official way
I still prefer A for clicking the enemy while stutterstepping. If you missclick, A just fires at a different target. Whatever, right? But a missed right click will run you at the enemy instead of taking the shot. This messes up your rhythm, and might even get you in trouble. A doesn't attack the wrong thing as long as you are actually clicking on the target.
Also Bounty Hunter lvl16 is really important for the full trait build. You are looking at doubling the damage your quest provides. If you don't take it, then don't take the quest either.
agreed on the A clicking. I bound my attack move to left click just like pally, which let's you use both styles, just with mouse-1 and 2
still in love with this game and still love your channel
Great guide! What I like to do as Raynor (is get the talents similar to what you said and bounty hunter at level 16) then stack 3 points of passive, then auto attack, W, D, Auto Attack, Q. You get two procs of the passive and when in late game does heaps of burst damage.
If you get dusk wing at level 20, you can also get a third proc quick enough if you time the death of the banshee as well. Purposely killing your banshee at level 20 can provide you great utility and survivability.
If you are getting dived on near enemy lines and have already used ur W to escape and E for healing, send ur bansee into enemy forts or spells to get it destroyed so you proc W and E once more, it sounds simple and easy but will save you, trust me!
This is your best guide so far NotParadox. Good job. Please do some more like it.
regarding 3:10, you should mention that there is an option in hots where you automatically target the enemy closest to the point where you landed your "A" keybind, which allows you to reliably use "A" to hit the relevant target
I think the best way to do it is A clicking instead of right clicking, BUT you A click on them like you would with the right click. I come from a RTS back round and I found that if you miss the right click in an intense moment it can be VERY punishing. so the main difference is in the worst case scenario you attack something instead of like at 3:48 you miss a right click and walk up to the target dummy instead. in a fight where you have 100 range in between you and a melee assassin chasing you, and maybe 60 hp that could make all the difference. This might be a small detail, but its the details that make you good.
Nice video , but the "explosive" shot from the trait it is actually every 4th shot , not every 3rd , still a good tutorial and easy to follow nonetheless(especially since I never knew Inspire resets the basic attack cooldown) .Keep up the good work !
It used to be every 3rd shot so it's an understandable mistake to make xD
@@Mira-rl9qw Now that you said it , I remember that it used to be every 3rd shot indeed , I never play on the test servers myself , only watching youtubers , so you can guess it would be harder to remember such a somewhat important detail , still thanks.
As always: great video. This series is super helpful.
3:55 you can change the settings, so that A will attack the target closest to the cursor instead of closest to the hero. It makes A a lot more reliable.
I think you forgot about 3 rather important things:
1) You should always try to keep your banshee between enemies that use dangerous skill shots that can be "blocked" by your banshee (Stitches, Li-Ming...)
2) Unlike other lvl 1 talents, ace in the hole works on abilities. This also means that your q will heal you for more after 16 if used on slowed enemies.
3) If you like to pick that quest on lvl 1, check how many stacks you got after the game ends. Assuming you have 100% uptime on ace in the hole, you need 105 stacks(could be wrong, i'm writing this at 2 am) to get as much damage from AAs as you would with AitH. Are you "good" enough for this talent?
it would be great to have a quick overview of the 4 things you are about to discuss right at the start.
Don't use A, use Right click to stutter step? wtf man. Yes, let's miss one Right click, and walk into the whole enemy team.
yeah I actually use A (left mouse click) a lot, sometimes I lose a kill because of it, but it prevents many deaths for me so it's better for my wonky playstyle
Just practice not missing xD
@@robinbruce7838 Kappa.
@@tehjoch thx
@@robinbruce7838 I know you're kind of joking. But I think we're all here to improve, and this is not an advice I would like to give to a beginner. Honestly, even the best players miss 1 click from time to time.
If you want to kite backwards, it is pretty difficult with right click, whereas with A, it takes no effort. One example here, from a recent video of Fan kiting backwards: ruclips.net/video/UwJhNsL0v7k/видео.html Watch his mouse cursor, HE never misses (I do, I'll admit with no shame!). Fan is one of the best for mouse accuracy.
I watched his video back in the day to learn how to stutter step, it was top notch for the noob I was! ruclips.net/video/b1R87PbsDlY/видео.html
I know I can reset basic attack cooldown in few heroes by using their skills but never Raynor's Inspiration. Thx for tips!
I like lvl 1 exterminator talent because its just helps clear camps so fast and even if we lose objective in maps like garden of terror or alterac pass, this talent can melt objective so fast.
In options you can turn on a thing that says attack move attacks enemies close to cursor intead the closest to player, but it has a weird glitch that your hero sometimes stops doing everything instead of attacking.
Can’t wait to watch the new video!
Great video series. Looking forward to future episodes!!
I've seen Kala talk about this multiple times. If you dominate and chase there is no problem, but if you want to poke and move back then using A is much safer than right click. If you miss with right click you can walk right into enemies to die, so "more reliable" is debatable. And Kala analyses replay where it happens, so it's not just hypothetical.
I did not know about that at 5:14 Ill will have to try it out. I am almost starting to prefer raynor over fenix.
I enjoy your videos, NP, and I feel like I am a student being taught at a Shaolin temple. You are a fantastic teacher. Is it possible for you to start your own playlist and have the title "Mistakes You Might Be Making" then place all those videos on the playlist for easier access for us?
That's why I see Raynors going into 4 enemies
One time we were enough players to make a custom game and was able to play against my, I'm always playing in storm league.
I've played Raynor and he Kelthuzad and he had a hard time against me, cause I'm naturally stutter-stepping and not standing still against skillshot enemies.
So the W is an auto-attack reset... How did I not know that lol Thanks man even that bit of knowledge has so much value for me.
You can change A to attack the target closest to the A click to stop from attacking the Merc camp
@Milad Zavar Well actually if you A on a character, it will attack this character, no matter the setting. So right clicking is basically just the worse version of attack moving, apart from if you actually just want to move somewhere :P
How do you get the red arrow to attack closest to the right mouse button? What's the keymap or whatever you call it called?
Take a shot every time he says shot
How do you manage stutter stepping from so close when the ennemy tanks or bruisers will be trying to close the gap on you? Imagine a garrosh flipping you or an arthas just lock you down. I get that you can use your Q. But my point is how to deal with enemies trying to close in on you.
There's a setting for ur A to target targets that is close to ur mouse, personally dont like right clicking
Be warned thou that it has a weird glitch where your hero stops doing anything sometimes.
super helpful, thanks!
Could you do Muradin or Tyrande? Also, I seem to struggle with Whitemane quite a bit.
I love your videos hope you can do more, still waiting one with the Meta Heroes, please.
How is Jimmy not meta?
Love it, thanks.
did you know there's an option to make A target enemies closest to the cursor instead of your hero? I generally leave it off but for heroes who you stutter-step AA heavily with, I find it focuses my output better
Be warned thou that it has a weird glitch where your hero stops doing anything sometimes.
Hi, can you please make a video on how to pick/play against Illidan in lower league ranks? I'm in silver 4 and against illidan it's often a lose. He's just stomping the whole team nearly on his own. Also Sonyas seem to be extremely hard to kill because of the selfheal. I mainly play healers (like Anduin, Rehgar and BW), but I feel I can't do much against him :(
It's mostly a matter of how you draft. Against Illidan you want a lot of CC and blinds since he's actually extremely squishy and if blinded he won't heal from his basic attacks. So if you like playing BW, next time you see Illidan, pick BW (or even Uther), they have point and click stuns/silences (polymorph, hammer of justice), and focus on CCing Illidan. Skillshot CCs aren't as good against him because he can easily dodge them with Q or W. Don't waste your CC. As soon as he's in, polymorph, and if your team focuses him, he's most likely dead. Also draft tanks with more stuns and/or blinds (eg. Johanna, Muradin). And also don't forget he evades basic attacks, so don't only draft AA heroes like Greymane, or tracer.
In conclusion: Stuns, blinds, and magic.
I feel very stupid.....that W reset Basic Attack!!!...i need to check habilties carefully...thanks for the tip!
Great tips for a simple hero XD
good video! need more!! thank u for this ! lol
Never give em more? I might be a low ranking player, but if I'm in an auto-attack team (happens from time to time we don't have a mage) the team buff just seems so good together with lowered CD on W
Jonatan Moldrup are you confusing lvl16 Give Me More with lvl13 Rallying Cry? I think Rallying Cry is ok, but I usually go Giddy Up because it’s a permanent speed boost plus inspire gives +16% instead of just +10% that rally gives.
Lvl 16 Give Me More is trash compared to the other two on that tier
hmmm on lvl 13 i thing rallying cry its nice if u have the right team mates with aa .. like valla,samuro and so on
At the end of the day, it is dark outside.
Picking "Behemoth" instead of armor and reduced cooldown E.
It is such nonsense!
A click stutter steppers hit tanks.
Right click stutter steppers kill healers.
Great video! Just goes to show that 90% of the Raynors we encounter don't know shit :D
I love playing Auto Attack heroes but for some reason I can never make raynor work. I can do more damage as a malfurion than raynor.
I’m late to the party, but are you hitting the tanks? That’s one thing with auto attack heroes. They have high dps and can slowly take down tanks unlike mages who burst the back line.
@@nguyentri3608 I hit the safest target, which is generally the tank.
Tira Raymond i think you should be hitting the optimal targets within your range which mean prioritizing hitting carries when they’re in range and hitting tanks when you can only hit tanks. I also think raynor trades some sustain damage (as opposed to valla) for the burst in his q and passive, so perhaps save them to burst down carries.
Im so glad NP made a visual example of this, I think this is excellent for new players and this is exactly what I watched hwen I was new, and very glad I did. Yes, it might be hard to get down initially, but better to start with this concept than hearing about it after you might be "set in your ways"... heroeshearth.com/b/tangentchaos/read/bestnotesevarrr-please-check-out-my-quickcast-and-keybind-settings-for-stutter-stepping/ is where I put together what people are discussing below about remapping keybinds, so that I could stutter s tep, and attack, and change how smartcommands works, so that you aren't f'ing yourself over when you click somewhere and cause issues also described below in comments. I was very disappointed in the amt of time and research I had to do to get this set of keys satisfactory for me, as a lot of the stuff in this post I linked, is all over the place, nothing is in one spot, so I hope this helps many of you to become more precise and find stutter step + attack back in 100% accuracy and control vs the default settings that are awful. It shoudl at least give you ideas on what needs to be changed. Smart commands needs to be rebound so that you dont have weird things happen when you go to activate something on the map. For me CTRL+right click was much better than leaving it on right click to contend with move to attk.
The banshee is great for soloing Merc camps.
Raynor? Hardly know her!
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rather easy? easiest*
there is still lili.
raynor at least have 1 skillshot
1st hero i bought, hanzo
2nd, genji
3rd, tracer
I likkk overwatch
You spent the first 8 minutes on freaking kiting?
Why not just do a video on kiting and link it if you want. this was grabbing at a mistake, next time just do 3 if you can't find 4.
I like your videos, but I hate that you are teaching other people how to play better.
Mistake.1, why are u playing
the first mistake is picking XD
I do all this things unconsciously I AM A GOD AT THIS GAME YOU GUYS! ORRRR JUST HAVE COMMON SENSE
pros dont chance key logs