This ride broke me | Harley-Davidson LiveWire
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- After spending the last 6 months converting my LiveWire to an adventure bike, I decided to test ride the range on section 3 of the Mid Atlantic Backcountry Discovery Route. What was supposed to be a quick 120 mile trip turned into a day I'll never forget. The forestry department had yet to clear the downed trees on this route, and by the time I realized how bad the situation was, I was already too far north to turn around and still make it home in time.
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Have you ever had a ride from hell? What happened?
And if I could stomach watching you destroy a perfectly good bike whay would I be looking for . . . .
@@LowOnCash You seem really bothered by my videos
Hey it's your bike there's thousands of guys who only dream of owning a nice bike to enjoy ridding it rather than abuse it as you did. Hey it's yours have havee a ball!
@@LowOnCash so your rude comments are because you can’t have this motorcycle??
I've got ton's of bikes Zero, CE-04, Honda NM4, Can Am RT& F3, I just hate to see someone abuse a bike just for a goofy click, RUclips is full of these yoyo's.
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"Wow, this video truly captures the adventure and determination of the rider! It's amazing to see how they've transformed a Harley-Davidson LiveWire into an off-road machine and pushed their limits in challenging terrain. The beautiful view at the end serves as a reward for their efforts. Looking forward to more thrilling rides and experiences like this! Keep it up!"
Thanks!
I've long since gotten rid of my livewire, but still come back to your videos because of how impressed I am with your will and ingenuity. I'd like to see more Pan America parts adapted to the livewire. I think you're on to something and people are going to hate what they don't understand.
🤜🏻🤛🏻 yeah I expect a little salt now and then - but I’m the one out having adventures and having fun so 🤷♂️ it was surprisingly simple to get the pan America parts on. Just the lower fork clamp needed to be modified a little. Everything else is bolt on with my designs
Y u got rid of it?
Great effort especially on a heavy road going bike..
Thanks!
I bow before your resilience..just amazing! Thx for sharing.
Thanks for checking it out!
Man, you're a hero
🤜🏻🤛🏻
Dude, you're insaine! 🙃
Great content! 👍
We’re all a little nutty inside! Thanks!
This one is just as good. Hahaha. That was a crazy ride.
It was!
Good on you for blazing your own trail. All the "need a saw" recommendations have been made so you got that! Keep it up man. Don't let any of the negativity spoil your will and adventure. We like to say when we ride "poor planning makes for good adventures"
Right on!
This is why I pack a folding saw with me everywhere 😂 well done sir.
😆 I really hate this day 😆 and yes, I bring a saw with me now everywhere. I took Bret tkacs class recently, and that would have helped a bunch here 😂
Not exactly a 1990s Africa Twin 750/ KTM ADV790/ Yamaha Tenere now is it.... Lacks clearance and the ability to lighten up the front wheel to get over logs and trees in a pinch. The tires you have on it arent exactly the best either. Wayyyy too heavy, it just has too many disadvantages. A good ADV bike doesnt make you happy to see a paved road, it makes you sad to not have anymore dirt and logs to go over.
The skid plate isn’t complete, so nose dives into higher obstacles. Newer one has been designed, just haven’t fabricated it yet - that would have negotiated better on this ride. I’m looking at something knobbier for this upcoming trip. Any recommendations?
While the comment is correct in general and making the LiveWire competent off-road is an uphill battle, dealing with that many fallen trees in a few hours is going to test anybody.
@@BrianTRice77 really depends on bike and skill level, going over trees is all about mastering a clutch up, and dealing with slippery conditions is all about rider experience. Going under some of those trees was a must, that said a lighter bike would have made for an easier ride and less damage if it was dropped. Livewire cant clutch up, mix that with a lot of weight un ill-equipped tires for the condition followed up by bad ground clearance means a lot of damage on a lot of drops with a lot of extra work for a rider who is trying to gain experience on a platform that really isnt made for it. Not saying it cant be done, just saying its possibly the most miserable and needlessly expensive way to do it.
@@AdventuresonZero continental twinduro or shinko 804/805 dual sport tires if you can find a pair that would fit your wheels would probably be a good start.
@@ChaseN194 what’s the mileage on those?
Wow man, this was amazing to watch. Probably not as much fun to experience, but on the edge of my seat the whole way.
Thanks! It certainly sucked filming it!
The next battery powered thing is bring ...
a 10" Dewalt/Ryobi/Milwaukee chain saw.
;)
good video/sound/drone/editing
not so good day
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I got a folding knife saw and a can saw to cover me for the next time - hopefully there won't be one, but I can see how that would be a good bit of kit for true adventure riding
That was the most entertaining video I've seen this week 🤣I hope you'll recover well form this experience!
Thanks! I have... can't say the same for my handlebars quite yet!
The frustration was palpable. Maybe a small hatchet or pack saw?
Oh as soon as I got in cell service I ordered a folding knife saw and can saw to keep on the bike at all times!
Time to build some crash bars?
Yeah I've already started and have the left side installed. Just waiting on the time to finish the right side
@@AdventuresonZero post some pics on the forum /reddit or share a vid I am sure all of us want to see it.
I enjoyed the video. I ride off-road in Oregon and after the storm we always bring a Chainsaw or at least handsaw & a real electric dirt bike. And sometimes that won't cut it and we turn around and pick a different trail. Live and learn.
Yep! I've added a hand saw to my arsenal when taking the bike off-road now
Holy crap that was INTENSE!! I loved the drone shots and music. Music probably made it even more intense. How does the weight feel off-road at these slow speeds? How often are you standing on the pegs? Or is it mostly sitting? You're a brave man lol.
Thanks! The bike is actually quite nimble off-road. I usually stand up when the bike needs to move under me, otherwise I stay seated
Hey I’ve got a house in Covington. That’s pretty neat little area. I live in Wilmington NC though.
Nice!
I wonder if a sawsall and a few spare batteries would be useful in these situations.
It's more weight, but it could prove useful.
Also, good physical fitness makes a ride go better, especially away from the blacktop.
Best to not share proprietary products in the public like this. I’m not saying I’m in a multi billion dollar deal with DeWalt…but there will be signs
@AdventuresonZero Whatever it takes. I was projecting myself into your shoes and imagining a "zombie apocalypse" scenario where turning back isn't an option, and time is in short supply. A battery powered saw would definitely come in handy like a MFer.
This is also a reminder to not ride alone, especially off of the blacktop, to at least brief someone of your ride plan, have a trauma med kit, a mylar blanket, fire making tools, and all relevant EDC gear.
That said, I appreciate you still maintaining a level of production value by placing your cam in good positions as you figure out each unique tree fall problem.
Well in the future, if I come across fallen trees, I think I'll just turn around lol. Obviously I didn't know it would be this bad, so lesson learned. I always carry a Garmin SOS messenger with me, so I can message my wife from anywhere and she can see where I'm at in case of emergencies. I was in the military for 17+ years in the reconnaissance field, so I'm used to traveling light and alone. Appreciate you seeing the quality of the videos, it's usually not easy to get these shots, especially when trying to solve actual problems.
@AdventuresonZero Yeah, I assumed your jaw was too square to be a regular civilian. I did my 20 and retired from NSW.
Keep up the good content. Electric bikes/motorcycles are really interesting.
The main reason I love Harley is the sound. So no electric scooters for me.
Yep, everyone rides for different reasons!
I like sounding like a speeder bike from Return of the Jedi. And not worrying about oil changes, fuel leaks, heat from the exhaust, vibrations, and having to yell to talk to,people over your engine. No more ICE scooters for me.
@@TheSniperGTO
You silly goose 😂
Dude you're a beast! I have one and I weigh 140 lbs. I would never have made it through!
Thanks! I’m sure you could, it’s all about leg leverage
If you go down, always remove your gear (helmet, jacket) and gather yourself before trying to pick up your bike. Take your time.
Very true, on this day though I was very pressed for time! Appreciate the tip though! Thankfully this has been, and hopefully will ever be, the roughest day I’ve had
some damn good advice ill heed. FOrtnine has a video about "suffocating" in a helmet due to recycled air use. lifting a bike would make it infinitely worse. yea, thanks for this, i didnt put the ideas together till you just said that as the f9 vid was focussed on daily street riding.
Great Video, most people would have turned around after the 2nd tree in the road. Best line after you picked up the wafer thin Budweiser can, "hmm it's empty" lol what luck.
Thanks! Yeah too bad there wasn’t a six pack laying around 😆
Definitely need a good hand saw.. Looks like an old Rail Road Bed..
Yep! Have one on order!
Big props for doing this on a livewire.
The fact that you had to haul your bike to the road you wanted to ride with your truck says everything a person needs to know about electric motorcycles. Your truck did half the adventure ride.
If you're gonna keep riding places like that, Silky saws or Agawa Boreal saws will be your friend. Bigger the better.
After that ride though, I wouldn't blame you from strapping a chainsaw to the rig.
I don’t think anyone that actually has ridden or owns an electric bike can argue with you that electrics will go farther than ICE per tank/charge - there’s no argument or comparison, the range capability is not the same. Not sure why you felt the need to mention it here. If you listen closely in the beginning of the video, I highlight that I had already done the beginning portion of the route (section 3 of the MABDR) and wanted to pick back up where I left off. The route there was 40 miles, and I rode 108 miles total back home (picked truck up following day), more than halfway my friend. I have a can saw now that I keep on the bike, and for longer trips (just finished the MABDR a few weeks ago), I carry a larger fold out saw - appreciate the recommendations. Also, I won’t be doing forestry routes in the off-season🤣
No disrespect here but have you ever thought of Carying a saw. I would always carry one even when riding in Tennessee And had to use it several times on the back mountain roads
Like most disasters, this one was unexpected 😆. I carry a saw on the bike now when I ride off-road
Way to hang in there. My back hurt just watching you pick up that bike.
Thanks! it's all in the legs!
You need more aggressive tires for off pavement .. How much does it weigh with luggage and full batteries?
I’ll be getting some 50/50 tires in a few months for the May trip
main thing i would say that made it worse on ya is those slick ass tires. Some good all terain type tires would really do you some good for sure
Yep, def made the conditions harder to get over. I got some 50/50 tires that made 1200 miles of this route really easy to go over! Anakee wilds
Never give up
Unless there’s a bear…then it’s ok
@@AdventuresonZero 😂
You could take your mirrors off and put them in with your luggage..
Not a bad idea!
Imagine hauling your bike to where you want to go ride...
Ok, I’m imagining, now what
Thanks for the video; heads up for me to never take my Livewire off-road 😊
Don’t cast your vote too soon, next video will change your mind
An electric tank would have been a better vehicle for that trail. So many downed trees.
😂 Definitely seemed like some Abatis were set up
I loved this video! What side mounted camera do you use on your helmet?
Thanks! Sony FDRX3000
@@AdventuresonZero Thank you. The quality looks great!
It does! Great in-body stabilization too
that was like a video game. i would never do that ride again unless you have that little saw they advertise on tv. But, i think, it would not have mattered what kind of bike you had...just lucky you didnt run out of juice. im going to test ride a livewire one tomorrow but honestly, at that price point...this is on research
Technically I did it again, this time during riding season (forestry dept maintains roads during spring, summer, fall). How was the test ride?
I would have turned around at the 1st tree, way to power through!
😂 I know. What I forgot to include is by the time I got to the first downed tree, there was only 17 miles left on the route - so I figured it would have taken me longer to get home if I turned around.
After tree #2 I would have turned around. This virtue signal of a bike has no business off road. A 25k$ piece of lead on two wheels doesn’t make any sense to me personally. Interesting video nonetheless and glad you are ok.
The trees didn’t get bad until the last 15 miles or so of the route, so I figured it would have taken longer to get home had I turned around. This was also before I took Brett Tkac’s off-road riding course, where we learned how to hop over trees. Also, I didn’t pay $25k for it. Virtue signal? Not sure what you mean by that. The bike is fun to ride!
Omg I know the feeling! I dropped my 776 lb zero in the woods on an incline and it was next to impossible to pick up
776lbs??
@@AdventuresonZero that's what the gvw says on the frame and it definitely felt that heavy
@@gauthier8822 geez. Zeros website says otherwise I thought. Are you running the power tank?
@@AdventuresonZero nope
@@AdventuresonZero I'll take a pic and post it to the zero group in the comments on your post
Hey Brother. By any chance you traded in your livewire at Harley Davidson fairfax VA?
were you able to talk them down?
Hey you can’t park there bud, glad your ok though
😆
I don't know if you can find it near you but you need to test ride the Energica Experia. Its both Electric and Adventure.
I’m going to see one up close and personal off-road. One of my friends on this trip will be on his Experia. Another will be on a modified Zero DSR - so we’ll have each of the big electric companies represented!
Do you have frame protectors on the bike? Any recommendations for the parts?
I do have the HD frame protectors, and made my own crash bars since publishing this video. I like the HD frame protectors, they’ve been on the bike for over a year with no issues
Cured me. Thanks!
🤜🏻🤛🏻
cool video, but why on earth would you run those type of tires? they look like slicks! 10% off road, plus the live wire is a road bike, really makes zero sense, you slip on leaves, your just looking for trouble.
I expected to just be sticking to gravel the whole ride, but will be getting some knobby tires in the near future for the actual trip. These are the standard 70/30 adventure tires to at come on the Pan America
Knobby tires, while recommendable, will reduce your range even further.
70/30 should be okay. I don’t think the tire pattern is the limiting factor here! The bike honestly looks more competent at handling all those fallen trees than a gas bike with the same weight!
These 70/30 tires fair rather well on these gravel roads, but lose traction quickly on wet grass/mud. I have some TKC80s on my old LiveWire tires and those were fantastic in this terrain, but they wear down rather quickly. I’m looking at the Anakee Wilds, which are a proper 50/50. Supposedly they last 6-8k
The bike was advertised as an inner city bike. Who send you out there
I sent me out there
2 things i couldnt help but notice.
1. A bike that is so heavy you cant lift it is already a non starter for any ADV riding.
2. Those tires look like a seriously bad choice for this kind of riding. Id bet the dunlop Trailmaxes would be a good/perfect choice... or go more aggressive.
Glad people are pushing ebikes. I wont, im too much of a luddite. ALso after watching how much you struggled with this bike im sold on not getting one. My dr i can lift in any situation and half the things you struggled with would have been childs play.
One thing i didnt fully understand is why you went around most those downed trees. just give it some gas and drive right over em.
Yep, this was before I took Brett Tkacs class. Some of these trees were 'springy', and likely would have gotten caught between the rear wheel and frame. However some could have been 'hopped' over, which I learned how to do in Brett's class and have employed that technique quite frequently! This was over a year ago, so I have developed my skillset since then.
@@AdventuresonZero props to you sir. Id like to take that class myself (or one similar). I started riding a bit over a year ago at 48yrs young. This fall i conquered my first black diamond trails in virginia on the Hatfield Mccoy trail system. Even my dr was a bit fat and heavy for that kind of single track.I guess after having had to manage so much deep rutty stuff, i forget that clearance matters and im betting that bike polly has less that which would be desired for clearing small stuff. Sry, im wandering. just wanted to say thanks for the content.
Thanks! Here's the class: ruclips.net/video/Vc7sqHo_QR8/видео.html it was exceptional. I might even do a review of it at some point, although I've lost all my footage from it. I still apply what I learned there into my riding today - invaluable.
does dirt road consume more energy? I plan a route as shortest as near my max range and plan to use dirt roads so make it shorter and save as much range as possible
I’m sure there’s some energy lost due to the loose traction, however it’s the elevation gains that cost the most energy. Moving such a heavy bike at low speeds means there’s no momentum, so it draws more power than going 55mph on a paved surface.
@@AdventuresonZero I skipped to buy LV and ordered Zero S instead, it has less weight and I plan to use dirt roads at 30-50mph max speed to get most range and shortest paths I have to do 140miles range on one charge, no fast charger only 12hours stock 1kW.
I have to use momentom too so not sure if each dirt shortcuts help to increase range and draw less energy.
Wtf were thinking?
Not sure what you mean
pack a Japanese pruning saw 😀
Is that the kind that has a power button?
@@AdventuresonZero No similar to pull saw
With all due respect, the LiveWire is not the bike I would take dirt biking!
Can these off-road electric motorcycles handle this adventure route?! | part 1
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@@AdventuresonZero Well you sure gave it a good workout! I guess my reservation was in the weight territory. I was sure it had the power and range. Trying to get it over obstacles and getting it stood back up when it went over. Good job getting through all the obstacles.
@@pipersall6761 thanks! So this was before I took an ADV course with Bret Tkacs, which is also on my channel, and those skills would certainly have paid off here 😆
Why didn't you ride the "motorcycle" to the test? That thing looks to have the ground clearance of a turtle! Maybe you should ride with others when testing something on remote logging roads.
Riding to the test route would have affected the consumption reading of energy, I needed to see what the actual route consumption was. The turtle just finished the MABDR. It’s fine.
That road gave you 6 months of a work out. Not great challenge on a brick of a bike.
It was a challenge for sure
@@AdventuresonZero You certainly became a better rider from that. That cliff edge could have spelt the end of bike. I have no kids be careful bro,
@@AdventuresonZero PS if you get a flat in bush and can get tire off stuff straw or grass in it to save the rim.
@@441rider that’s a good tip!
@@441rider I took an off road riding course recently, best thing I’ve done that will ensure this day doesn’t happen again 😆
That’s not a adv bike!
It’s a bike. On an adventure. Adventure bike .
It's a public disgrace to the biking in every form - what Goofy RUclipsr's won't do for stupid click to make a fool of themselves. All this and you never even went off road Hello . . . . .
Again, I'm not really sure you watched this video.
You definitely need riding lessons
I did after this video
I’m half way in and halfway out on this bike. I love it! But I also don’t know if this would be a good first motorcycle (speaking for myself here)
What are you ‘out’ on? This is the second (and third) motorcycle I’ve ever owned, first was a Zero DSR, so I only know electric motorcycles
@@AdventuresonZero mostly just how many miles you can ride on a charge. Does the bike get pretty hot? I’m planning on moving to Florida here soon
The bike only gets hot when charging, but it's not like a radiating heat that you feel. If you haven't already, join some of the LiveWire Facebook groups, there are a few riders that live in Florida and can give you an idea of how that environment affects it. Don Kruse is an active member and lives in Florida, he would be the first person I talked to about it
@@AdventuresonZero awesome thank you!
Get a DR. You can pick one up for next to nothing used (cheap as hell new too), give it some love and it will be your best friend after all your future bikes come and go. Dont discount low-tech... Take the discount and have the time of your life. Honesty, a DR might be the best motorcycle ever made and it will let you do everything you want to do from highway to high mountain passes. The mighty dr shines as a first bike and will only grow better as your skill improves (and upgrades which are cheap and plentiful).