In effect you've dampened your strings with the length of string at the back of the trem, you need to remove it and fit a roller bridge to stop string breakage
The angle of the strings between bridge and Guyker Trem is pretty flat. It is eventually steeper on the original stop tailpiece, which puts more pressure onto the bridge
I was actually surprised how much difference in the low end there was. I thought it would be much less. But to your point, it's certainly tweakable with amp settings etc. Props to you for actually using your ears rather than succumbing to confirmation bias.
I have a bigsb on my SG for years. I love it. I recently switched it out for a Floyd Rose 1000. That lasted about a week. Just didn't like it. The sound and tuning was good but too bulky and got in the way. I'll stick with the bigs.
To my ears (through decent headphones), the solid tailpiece was slightly louder and had more solid bass. The trem was definitely quieter and a little thinner. Yes, it can be adjusted for, so it all depends on how much you want a trem on your guitar, and if you like that particular trem. If I were going to guess on why the trem affected the sound, I'd guess it was that piece of guitar string you used. When you strum the string, it pulls on the tailpiece, which with the trem pulls on that piece of string... which flexes just slightly. So it's like you put a spring on the end of each string. As you strum, the springs stretch a little and alter the tension on the string just that tiny amount. Springs also dampen vibrations, so the string probably gets quieter quicker. It would have been interesting to hear it without that bit of string, even if it risked breaking another string.
I can hear the change you speak of. I’ve encountered that with a replacement tune o matic bridge on one of my Les Pauls. More treble. A question on this trem- are you able to adjust height of it like a normal stop bar?
Sounds better with the hard tail. Punchier, faster attack, more lows and low mids, growly and with more authority. With the Les Trem: softer and bouncier attack, less lows and less growly low mids. Thanks for this test, now I‘m cured wanting a Les Trem on my LP copy. 🤝🏼
Zinc stopbar studs will sound different than steel or brass, steel will brighten it, brass will darken it, zinc is "gummy". Changing your bridge will affect tone too, same deal as above with saddles. A cheapo roller bridge can def be a tonesuck. Schallers are awful, Tonepros are good. No roller bridge is really good until you get into $100-150 CNC territory. I'm guessing you've got a good amount of pot metal/zinc in the trem. There's a reason it's half the price of a new Duesenberg. Masking tape on the string ball ends might also have something to do with it... Just saying. Tonepros bridge bodies are all zinc, their tone tailoring thing is to change bushings, studs, thumb wheels and stopbar studs for a particular color. That kind of tinkering is for clean tone stuff, jazz people, low output pickup people and like that. After a certain amount of gain all cats are gray in the dark, you know?
In effect you've dampened your strings with the length of string at the back of the trem, you need to remove it and fit a roller bridge to stop string breakage
He really doesn't have a clue what he is doing and shouldn't be making videos like this misleading others.
Can't tell a bit of a change at all. And i am using studio headphones. I think its all in your head. Or turn the volume up to compensate.
Snapping strings? Roller bridge.
The angle of the strings between bridge and Guyker Trem is pretty flat. It is eventually steeper on the original stop tailpiece, which puts more pressure onto the bridge
I was actually surprised how much difference in the low end there was. I thought it would be much less. But to your point, it's certainly tweakable with amp settings etc. Props to you for actually using your ears rather than succumbing to confirmation bias.
Is this your regular gauge strings?
do you have problems with it going out of tune easier due to the thinner spring compared to the more expensive deusenberg version
Are both guitar’s pickups equidistant from the strings compared to eachother?
Heard some difference. Fascinating
So it comes back in tune ? ! Thanks
I have a bigsb on my SG for years. I love it. I recently switched it out for a Floyd Rose 1000. That lasted about a week. Just didn't like it. The sound and tuning was good but too bulky and got in the way. I'll stick with the bigs.
To my ears (through decent headphones), the solid tailpiece was slightly louder and had more solid bass. The trem was definitely quieter and a little thinner. Yes, it can be adjusted for, so it all depends on how much you want a trem on your guitar, and if you like that particular trem.
If I were going to guess on why the trem affected the sound, I'd guess it was that piece of guitar string you used. When you strum the string, it pulls on the tailpiece, which with the trem pulls on that piece of string... which flexes just slightly. So it's like you put a spring on the end of each string. As you strum, the springs stretch a little and alter the tension on the string just that tiny amount. Springs also dampen vibrations, so the string probably gets quieter quicker. It would have been interesting to hear it without that bit of string, even if it risked breaking another string.
@ 8:30 sounds like a Strat with a HBer. it's not as fat of a sound compare to the hard tail.I like it.
Great video!
look at your bridge flexing... that will eventually weaken those post holes
Love you bro good video
Try a spring made out of a harder material or if you can shorten it.
Thanks Jake.
There's not enough of a difference it should be easy to eq whatever deficiency you think you're hearing. Especially playing with gain.
I totally agree with you, leave it off, it’s killing the sustain, sounds wimpy
I think the moving parts in the tremolo are absorbing some of the resonance.
Probably the spring is the difference,in the end u can adjust your tone on amp and guitar
I wonder if it’s the metal used.
Is absurd how much the bridge Is moving!
I can hear the change you speak of. I’ve encountered that with a replacement tune o matic bridge on one of my Les Pauls. More treble.
A question on this trem- are you able to adjust height of it like a normal stop bar?
Sounds better with the hard tail. Punchier, faster attack, more lows and low mids, growly and with more authority.
With the Les Trem: softer and bouncier attack, less lows and less growly low mids.
Thanks for this test, now I‘m cured wanting a Les Trem on my LP copy. 🤝🏼
Its not a trem bro- i realize they FU nomenclature but vibrato is pitch and tremelo is folume
BIGSBY REQUIRED!
Sustain was severely compromised- very glad I saw this!!
No discernible difference.
Zinc stopbar studs will sound different than steel or brass, steel will brighten it, brass will darken it, zinc is "gummy".
Changing your bridge will affect tone too, same deal as above with saddles. A cheapo roller bridge can def be a tonesuck. Schallers are awful, Tonepros are good. No roller bridge is really good until you get into $100-150 CNC territory.
I'm guessing you've got a good amount of pot metal/zinc in the trem. There's a reason it's half the price of a new Duesenberg.
Masking tape on the string ball ends might also have something to do with it... Just saying.
Tonepros bridge bodies are all zinc, their tone tailoring thing is to change bushings, studs, thumb wheels and stopbar studs for a particular color.
That kind of tinkering is for clean tone stuff, jazz people, low output pickup people and like that. After a certain amount of gain all cats are gray in the dark, you know?
The Dussenberg is crap and it's better than Guyker...that Gibson trem is far better