This MARTIAL ART was born in the American PRISON SYSTEM - it is DEADLY!
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
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I was contacted by Sayf Carman who is the first man in the video shown. He has excellent martial arts skill and a wealth of knowledge and experience both on Jailhouse Rock and 52 Blocks. He sent me information about the "birth" of 52 blocks and what I got wrong and i'd like to share it with everyone. Please follow his page here
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"52 has a history that connects it to prison only because some people who did it "went" to prison. It was not born in prison per se. It also would not do well under an average attack in the prison system since the 2 main attacks that take place are slashes and stabbings, both of which are best defended by moving into the arc of the slash and outside of the thrust. "
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52 blocks is popular. Rapper Ludacris is a practitioner of it and anytime he has a "fight scene" in his movies he uses 52 blocks or doesn't do the scene . There is footage of him doing pad work using the system. I'm happy you're giving a great mention to 52 blocks
It’s got a fan following but hard to find schools
@@inside_fighting correct, the one I knew in Harlem closed because of covid . The instructor tried to instruct via tapes or online class but not enough to keep it going
Actor Larenz Tate is also a practitioner of this style. He introduced Ludacris to it.
Might been good back in 50 s jail new jail Fighting these days is brutal
@@inside_fighting There’s an instructor who teaches that. His name is King Mo, and on RUclips Lyte Burly is another instructor.
I have studied various martial arts over the years and my current instructor has this saying , "it's all the same." And the more i've learned over the years I realized there's a finite number of ways that human body can move, so it all comes down to the most effective and practical methods are all the same. Sure, some people stylize it, and others come up with myths and legends about why they do it. But in the end, the real stuff is all the same. Thanks for highlighting 52 blocks.
That’s what Bruce Lee said as well. That style is not really important since every style has something useful about it and so we must choose what works for us and implement them into our way of fighting.
GOD KABIR ALMIGHTY.😊😊
Facts its all the same
I agree. I have only ever trained Bagua, but after twenty years I see it in boxing, judo, bjj. It all contains elements to what I’ve trained and learned over the years with next to no exposure to these other arts.
Carrot cutter who is your instructor? I studied many styles and I always told my students "it's all the same " but have not heard others use it.
I grew up in Queens NYC back in the 70's, i was taught this style as a young boy and everyone in the neighborhood in the streets knew and practiced this style of fighting because we had too in order to survive... I'm 52 and still know this fighting style but stronger....
Original Brooklyn King. I approve this vibe. ONE👍🏾✌🏾🙏🏾💯
The blocking of 52 blocks is the same as what we do in Muay Thai, because of the elbow attacks.
Yea there is big time overlap.
It's not the same, but they're are similarities. There are also similarities to Kali and other southeast Asian arts
Muay Thai and Filipino kali are both my favorite systems
@@elsuperpollo2273 what I do know from experience is that Muay Thai and judo will save your life, even in the streets
I do Muay Thai but it's very close as well, Long guard = Spear, Dracula guard = cape, Spear elbow= Rhino. And I also found these three positions are super strong, to get in the clinch, kick, knee, elbow. With or without gloves. They are the bread and butter.
My coach also had a background in Muay Thai and our naming is very similar, spear elbow, long guard, did not know the dracula guard name but was taught that as well. Spear elbow is the most aggressive of the 3 moving into your opponent, long guard to disengage or try to get out without fighting, and the dracula used when you are being attacked by multiple attackers. Good comment
@@JustinBieberFanSA I picked up the name "Dracula guard" from Sylvie Van Duuglas-Ittu, I don't know if she invented it or if she picked it up somewhere too.
In Creed 3, Damien's character was using 52. He even spent time in prison🔥
I like the way you said, how being good in the gym isn’t comparable to being smart on the street, if you balance it out in both places, it can be both beneficial for what you learn in the gym, and how do you survive on the streets. I’ll take your advice on that.
This may become more prominent in the future as the social climate around the nation changes, but in times past, there weren't that many people that lived in a place where you can get enough practice on the streets to bring to the gym! 😂
Archie Moore and George Foreman both incorporated this style
Yoel romero seemed to also
@Kyle-uq7rw: LOL! I am going to leave this brother's channel before I get him in trouble lol. I will just leave it with this: I am 62 and spent most of my young life in Newark NJ. ANYTHING that happens amongst blacks, has made its way from or to "Brick City". Let's stop pushing for things that are not true! The Ole Mongoose Archie Moore would not have ever heard of 52 blocks when he was fighting! That goes for Foreman also. 52 has taken from the very same fighters you just said took from it! Archie Moore fought from what is called the "CROUCH". As did Rocky Marciano, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Jake Lamotta, Ken Norton and Philly fighter Tim Witherspoon amongst others. There are only so many ways to put your hands! Every time a fighter crosses their arms, someone from 52 says they are doing 52 blocks. Cut it out! Not true! Let it stand on its own merit, but stop saying every great fighter uses 52 blocks because it looks like they may be using the "skull and cross bones"! Since I have trained in 6 different martial arts in my 50 years of training, they could just as easily have been using the WING CHUN BONG SAU (wing block) and MUN SAU (Guard hand). They look almost the same! Lets give this "all great fighters use 52" nonsense, a rest. And, that is from Sayf Carman, NOT the host of this channel. I say that, because some people are going to be salty.
I really enjoyed your video. You are correct with the connection with 52 blocks and silat as well as dirty boxing, American and Filipino dirty boxing.. I learned 52 blocks during my 15 year incarnation in the US prison system. Although some things in 52 blocks my be less then effective on the defense end, but please understand that these methods may in actuality be meant for the offensive not defensive. It's all about deception. Thank you for this video. Please know that it's appreciated from one who has been there and gained experience through sweat,blood and tears. Note: I learned 52 blocks with a pack of playing cards lol l. You hit the mark there. Thank you
Thank you for sharing your knowledge brother 🙏🏼 great insight.
If you did about 5 years of actual boxing ( in real gyms) while growing up BEFORE you did time , then you would have realized that this jail so-called combat system is nothing special
@@MrWARHAMMER68 And every gym boxer that I've known that came up against a dude who knew true Jail House Rock got their asses whooped lol JHR/52 is still boxing homie mixed with some martial arts and trust me the REAL guys who knew it was unstoppable!! Fighting 5 or 6 dudes at once and laying all of them down lol
@@MrWARHAMMER68 I'm from Brooklyn I seen it with my own eyes these dudes were something else and majority of them were knock out artists as well.
@erictubbs6854 you told on yourself kid!!!!! That is every "GYM" boxer that "you" know.
A nationally ranked amateur boxer or a seasoned professional boxer would not be moving in the same social circles or even conversing with some casual like you. They are too focused and driven to get caught up with the general public. Real boxers respect and socialize with real boxers either past or present-- sometimes they will get a little sexual relief with a pretty girl. But they are basically in their own world. Your kind may know of some newbie who paid for a few lessons over the course of 8 months. But they were no " REAL" boxers.
I tried to give you some examples of old school footage to research. But like most fools, you are content with your low level , gutter understanding of any discipline.
I always find your videos very interesting regarding the subject matter covered. Back in 1986 Mel Gibson was trained in 3 systems for his role as Martin Riggs in "Lethal Weapon, the first being Commando Self Defence Tactics, the second being Gracie Ju Jitsu, and thirdly Jailhouse Rock.
The guy who instructed Mel was a guy named Dennis Newsome and there was a fantastic article in the British Martial Arts Mag "Fighters" with Mel being interviewed by Richard La Plant.
Years later on seeing Keysi, I always believed that KFM was a mixture of Panantukan and JHR.
Since discovering that I sought out all the info I possibly could, but Dennis Newsome just vanished off the scene and that was that. The only art that came into prominence was Gracie Ju Jitsu.
Actor/Ludikris is also a serious JHR practitioner.😊❤
Super interesting info
I agree 👍👍 it has a lot of similarities with keysi fighting methif
Superb. I always been interested in 52blocks, KFM, Kali, Silat and other. But not crazy monkey defense cuz that one is just too much exaggerating and lead to stupidity and failure.
But you know the only actor who knows jailhouse rock in reality is the antagonist Gary Busey
Dennis also trained Mel in Capoeira as well. Or atleast he tried, I do recall a couple kicks that made the final cut but it's hard to say how well he took to the art in general.
These techniques were taught in zendokai karate in Australia dating back to the 1970's and early 80's.Bob Jones, the founder of Zendokai was very big into bodyguard work and bouncing, many students started working in nightclubs in preparation for their black belt grading. These techniques were taught to enable students entering into bouncing to have defensive postures without being threatening or provoking a fight.
What you said about "checking your blocks" is vital no matter the martial art.
I do Korean sword, and I tell people to do their blocking set in front of a mirror so they can see what they're actually protecting.
Can you please see if you can get Lyte Burly on and also get Mr.52 on to explain the art from their perspectives and learning experiences please? You can actually interview in any one of them in any order as you wish. It will help to clarify alot about the art to the public.
That would be dope.
Lite Burly is the man. If you want to learn it or about it, check him out. He's in the park, E10th st and Ave B, NYC.
I really appreciate how open minded you are in regards to other styles. I never did 52 Blocks but i trained KFM/Defence Lab for a few years and my other training partners from Bjj/Muay Thai would always clown me because they said its bullshido. But like you said, I knew i was on the right track anyway. There are some very close similarities between 52 Blocks and Defence Lab. The main differences i see are the covers in 52 are more open and transitional while the covers in DL are more rigid and straightforward, and 52 places more emphasis on boxing while DL is more focused on elbows and headbutts.
Have you tried it against them?
I went to jail once for drinking and an old head in there was a lifetime frequent flier. He showed me a fighting style he developed over 30 years to avoid making the opponent bleed and to not have swollen or bleeding knuckles. I wasn't sure he knew what he was talking about but before I left he beat some guy up and got away Scott free. It worked! Blew my mind.
How’s it work? That sounds good!
Interesting
@Atkrdu I am no expert, but I can think of a few nasty tricks involving palm strikes borrowed from medieval hand-to-hand combat techniques intended for use against combatants in armor, and kidney punches and other body blows that cause injury but won't leave people bleeding everywhere... at least, not on the outside, and won't bust your knuckles. Throw in some grappling, elbows, knees, defense, and some more dirty tricks, and you have a martial art centered around delivering pain and not getting caught.
Not leaving marks is how spouse abusers try to get away with it.
Lots of them in jail though, because being an a$$#ole usually means losing control more often than not.
You are right i am for brooklyn born and raised and Very few people know this art Even among FBA. I learned it as a child and have seen people where I am from doing this sence the 1970s. I have never seen people of any other nationaity or race use this style of fighting. Unless taught by FBA.
FACTS it's our art.
I'm from Bed Stuy and dudes in my neighborhood was nasty with it but they all learned in jail lol
@@erictubbs6854 I am from crown heights
@@erictubbs6854 let me add this most guys I know who knows it learned in the street or by relatives
bro havent even watched the video yet but i remember as a child when lethal weapon came out,that his fighting system was based on jailhouserock ,a style to fight in corridors like the way the wakizashi was used in small spaces,when the katana was left at the doorways of certain castles and gambling houses extra...bless u man ,i love your insight!
In my humble opinion, the best video you've done thus far, especially because of your conclusion. Thank you very much!
Thanks man🙏🏼
52B/Jailhouse Rock was one of the arts used to choreograph the fight scene between Mel Gibson and Gary Busey in 1987's Lethal Weapon. Also part of the Keysi Fighting Method used to choreograoh fight scenes in The Dark Knight and Jack Reacher movies.
I remember Rorion Gracie being a consultant for that fight scene. There was an article about it in one of the slew of karate magazines that were on the shelves back then (we bought them all in my house).
I see you did your homework.
no 52B has nothing to do with Keysi. They look similar, but so does Muay Boran. the blocking method looks similar Ill give you that, but that is most likely because they both have a similar ancestry style, like Muay Thai, or other Asian style that influence their development. 52B is dirty boxing, but as all the early guys out of Harlem have talked about, it got mixed with Asian styles that the early people knew and mixed together to create what has become the loose style of 52B.
Great video as usual..
My learning 52B the first time was through a friend's uncle who served time in NYC from 80s to 90s..
I learned a few lessons from the uncle and his fighting was prison like..always looking and searching and always moving due to him always also watching his back from being jumped by multiple opponents...
They are always on the move, I believe due to limited amount space and having to find safe spots so their weakness aren't exposed..
The second person I learned from was never in prison and also practiced MMA, he moved more like one on one and was focused just to the person he was fighting with..
Just like all martial arts, not one system is perfect but always things to learn from each one for all types of situations...
The prison uncle I learned from had great respect to Gong Fu claiming Wing Chun had good influence in the elbow system in 52B...
The MMA teacher was a
total hater of Gong Fu and just said it was a prison system that is an art in and of itself...
Just like all martial arts, each person will take what suits them and develop it for their own uses and how it suits them the best...
I have my own conclusions and a lot of mine is that I respect all arts...if we can learn from every system and take from what each offers and practice and practice and practice..
What I have discovered is that in each different stages of my life, I have and am thankful for all that I had learned and each had suited and served its purpose in each stage and I humbly acknowledge that I feel more of a beginner than since I had started close to 40 years ago...
Always enjoy your POV and your thoughts...
I'm starting to see how people end up on mcdojolife videos
What the hell is wrong with your spacing?
Awesome experience you had ! I studied some Sumatran Silat the constant movement reminds me of the “flowers “ we used to do which were created from 17 moves of the Dasar which flow nicely together rumor has it that there is 19 moves but I only learned the 17 the 9 and the 13 my Guru said Gong fu and Tai Chi are the same as Silat when I watch those arts I see the 17 in the movement I also see the 17 in 52 blocks when they move I see the gong fu and some bagua I now practice an Indonesian gong fu with Afrikan philosophy I do jail house rock as well respect to these arts they are definitely effective and very useful when you train them all a well rounded wholistic innerstanding becomes evident then names and numbers and flowers don’t matter it’s all about expression the numbers and name may help you remember what you did afterwards
Boy, I've watched all your videos, all of them are very good but this one is brilliant on so many levels! There's like tons of knowledge and expertise you managed to share in these 25 minutes!
Best comment I’ve ever read 🙏🏼
I was only 2 years into blue belt you're absolutely right about jiu-jitsu..KSM an 52 blocks is definitely worth training
Awesome video. As an individual that has gravitated towards studying boxing. Past. And present fighters. And emulating them when shadow boxing (not trained at all I do my best to emulate the entire body mechanics of each move and understand the reason why the move is used) I have also found this style is MOST natural and effective. My body now blends defense 1st and offense naturally rolls off my defense. Every little movement has a purpose.
Ok, I don't know anything about this style. I use the "cross arms" mostly when teaching grappling techniques. If I cross my arms & you throw a strike it is going land in 1 of those 4 quadrants- Abdomen, R, L or Face & the quadrant will determine which variation I use.
As a Practioner of KFM/DL and Spear Tactical Systems.... THANK YOU...For showing this. These systems get so much hate. They WORK. Nunca Te Rindas. I am Subscribing right now.
Thanks man 🙏🏼 there’s a lot to like in defense lab / kfm imo. I really think the judgement in martial arts is nuts nowadays… it’s supposed to rid egos but seems to have boosted it because everyone can just comfortably be a professional coach from behind their keyboard lol
@@inside_fighting I think its because... We dedicate our lives to a system for many years. And when we see a system, that has been pressure tested more..and/or is just simply very new.. It makes them, question their art and then it triggers panic... Which then leads to the ego of "My system is better than yours"... Armchair Violence.. is one of those RUclipsrs that attacks systems like KFM, and says that we are a CULT. Lmfao Okay kid sure
Mentally, I'm putting "52 Blocks" in the same category as Krav Maga, Fairbairne Military Combatives, Gutter Fighting, and "Dirty Boxing " Btw, am I seeing some Tai Chi blocks? Really good vid!
yea it looks like there is elements of practical tai chi blocks in it. I agree with your placement of the system.
@@inside_fighting 👍
Was trained/practice like a dance (think capawaya) as 5.0. Police wouldn't allow
Dope video and great OG street fight vid😂!!!
The man in the black shirt in the ring sparring clip is (I think) Nakmeezy, originally a Muay Thai fighter. He's worked and crossed hands with 52 fighters like Lyte Burly of 52 A.O.D. style and -- as in the clip-- with Daniel Marks of 52 Constellation Global. And, have you seen "Mr. 52" Rahmel Scott move? Big K.? Purest form art! The bald guy in the choreographed clip is Diallo Frasier, the trainer of both Ludacris (for "the Fast And the Furious" movies and in real life) and Lorenz Tate (for the movie "Gun Hill ".
It's him.
Hello. Great job, I enjoyed this very much. I wanted to let you know that the guy that demonstrated jailhouse Rock is a real master. His name is Sayf Carman and he has been boxing since he was 9. He's a wrestler and studied many styles of martial arts. He's also been around martial arts for over 40 years and he can give you the real history of karate in the inner cities before the Mc dojos. You should interview him if you can, you won't regret it. He's a real one and his channel is great.
Thank you for letting me know 🙏🏼
@@nicholasdecato4207 Which part? I don't know what you are talking about?
@@nicholasdecato4207I don't know where you are from, but in Brooklyn I saw jailhouse rock being practiced all the time. All martial arts are made up based on the needs of the people and the materials they have on hand. For example, Okinawan Karate uses many weapons that were originally used for farming. I guess we'll have to disagree, but Jailhouse Rock and 52 is a real thing. If you can go to any projects in NYC and tell them it's folklore BS I am sure someone will be able to show you better than they could tell you. Be blessed...
@@nicholasdecato4207 Ok, as I said we'll have to disagree and the trash comment is ???...
thank you for your honest and sincere reaction to the 52 Blocks System. thank you , thank you, Thank you. Representing 52 Blocks Self Defense Academy
I understand your concerns about the excessive hand movements, especially when applied to "dumb areas" .When it is done by an experienced fighter, it is for the purpose of baiting. We attempt to get the opponent to commit to an action that can be quickly countered.
Makes sense and how i saw it. It’s a different approach than me but doesn’t make it any less effective
Anderson Silva... amen.
Brilliant. Ive trained in 52 blocks and Southern Mantis and i see similarities between the two especially with elbows. Well done
Solid breakdown, in the past I thought of similarities to FMA and Silat as well. Great video.
Thanks!
Never saw the rhino guard before! I will add that to my defense!! Thanks!
I sub'd because first off I've never heard of the style,but you seem to have an incredible regard for the Filipino arts and in my humble opinion I feel like FMA is the most real world do or die ary/arts that can be learned. Thanks for the great content.
In Georgia prisons it is called the Alto shuffle. There are videos online here about it.
I will check them out
Coming from a historical fencing background, I can see the constant movement as an attempt to reduce the potential targets your opponent has available to strike. Using your system, get into Spear and see what invitations (where you are telling an opponent to strike), their shifting is telling their opponent that the target they thought was open just became closed. Their shifting is also an attempt to force you to think in a fight for a moment longer so they can take advantage of your potential hesitation, or missed strike.
Historical Fencing: Destreza system (Spanish), Fabris (Dutch), Rudolph Capoferro (Italian), Giacomo Giganti (Italian).
Totally agree about Jiu jitsu. Im a purple belt and dont know as much as some jiu jitsu nerds. I spar with MMA fighters too and much sport JJ goes out the window. I have a boxing background so i hold my own
So we gonna ignore how @22:02 the dude with the headgear used a succesful "closing the gate" block and trap?
Looks a lot like Jeet kun Do. Great review. And I see some Kyokoshin in there too.
I think it’s the best concept of martial arts. A small system that can be taught quickly to be used in a real fight. Needs more emphasis on fighting in enclosed spaces, multiple opponents, and against people that completely out weigh you. It can be worked into an awesome system.
I can remember an article in the early 80's maybe even late 70's , that featured a prison style called the "Comstock Method" that I think is related .
52 Comstock: ruclips.net/video/GfjXFfZeqwg/видео.htmlsi=RJlZ5ePMhOhjXurN
Same thing just west coast. (Comstock Prison)
Comstock Shuffle was jail house rock not 52 and is from NYC not the west coast!!!
I love that you're covering this with respect few do and ghetto birds are always present.
I appreciate that
52 Blocks! One of my favorite systems to train
It’s super cool
52 blocks is originated in African heritage that was influence by a western and eastern culture. It was not created in the prison it became popular in the prisons because it was tested in the prisons and most people on the streets learned it from they family member that was in prison and the gave the techniques street names that they came relate to of the street to make easier to learn. Sensei Professor Moe is one of the main teachers on the system and he teaches it as a full on martial art. Which he also 6 black belts in other styles
52 has nothing to do with Africa.
I'm the "elbow became the weapon" guy in thus video by the way.
My initial thoughts were 52 states/blocks of America. Blocking strikes originated from the planet.
Ask Master Moe about Grandmaster Reno Morales. 🙏🏾 I had the pleasure of spending time with the Grandmaster (my master’s teacher) and Master Moe many years ago. They used to frequently make appearances at awards shows. Grandmaster used to always be at our dojo with his baseball cap and glasses, great man, may he Rest In Peace. Osu.
@@NAKMEEZYI was just finna say this it’s a fba fighting style we used to slap box and would do 52 naturally
Good stuff! I'd like to hear your take on old-school WW2 combatives, like Defendu or Arwrology.
Defendu is interesting because it's like krav maga if you only had 12 days to teach people it. I have worked with the british resistance archive a re enactment/historical society, basically you're teaching someone to kill in just over a week.
Love your insight thank you.
I love this guy's content.
Appreciate that 🙏🏼
Very pragmatic self defense when you consider it was developed in prison. Extreme close range fighting often is cells. Always having to consider the other person has a shank. Things tend to pop off suddenly and clandestinely. Really cool stuff and really cool to see you review it. You have an amazing way with explaining strategy of movement and positioning. I’ve always felt understanding why we do things is as important as understanding how to do it.
Isshin Ryu Karate as it is taught were I train is close to this.
Fighting from the clench, use of elbows to block,angles & distance, etc
We might be one of the few that does as there is A LOT of McDojo garbage in the same style if you look on YT.
We're just a little dojo in Carson, Iowa (population 700) that is 2nd generation from Tastuo Shimabuku.
Let me be completely honest here I'm from Brooklyn and the dudes that REALLY knew this fighting technique(Jail House Rock) are dead!!!! Some of the older guys that are still around that knew it and was masters at it WILL NOT SPEAK ON CAMERA because it was not meant for the enemy to ever learn this technique!!! 52 blocks came out of jail house rock which are two entirely different techniques!! 52 came from 52 pick up let the cards fall where they may JHR/52 has it's origin with the 5% Nation!!!!!
Very much enjoying these deep dives. Thank you
Glad you like them!
I agree 100% with your assessment of sports especially B/JJ for street self defense. Taking a ring approach to street fighting is hazardous to your health.
THANKS FOR THE VIDEO .BUT how you leave out the man who brought 52BLOCKS back SALUTE WARRIOR
Who did i miss 😮
His 60k subs
@@inside_fightingyou can't do a search for 52 blocks and miss Lyte Burly
@@TheKillaMethod oh snap 🫨 he is a 52 master? I try my best to cover things well but i miss people sometimes
@@inside_fighting SALUTE WARRIOR it’s all good EXCELLENT VIDEO if you down to do a live with me and terrible Tim Witherspoon that would be great
In a street fight, you never know who your fighting, and 52 blocks, or jailhouse weave, is useful for any encounter. Most people on the streets don't know how to fight, so for a novice, 52 blocks is good enough to keep them safe. People want to over dramatize fighting, but as Bruce Lee said, any fight that last longer than a minute, you need to charge tickets for. A street fight should be over in as little time as possible, and 52 blocks help keep it under a minute. It's meant to be quick, and deceptive. Nothing flashy.
I love the fact that you said you move the Harlem before it was gentrified so true
That's right! The 52 blocks (jailhouse rock)
There was a secret martial art, almost dead now, born in Brazilian Favelas in rio de janeiro in the early 90s
It's called "baile funk" fighting style
Thiago Santos used it in his fight against Jimi Manuwa and ended up getting him in the second round
In a relatively recent interview he said he told his coach in the locker room: "master, I don't feel like I should follow the strategy. If I box with him I feel he is gonna get me. I wanna brawl. I want to fight him baile funk style" to which his coach agreed by saying: "if this is how you feel, go there and do it"
Very cool. I never heard of it
Me either, but I'm definitely l👀king! So far, all I'm finding are videos of the music and the dance styles.
I'm pretty positive noone outside Brazil has ever heard of it
It was a fight that happened during funk parties in the 90s in rio
But it was short lived, only in that decade pretty much with not many recordings of it
okay I will admit this...I used to perfom 52 blocks on industrial music dance floors in the mid 90's - early 2000's. The location was in Manhattan's L.E.S. on the weekends. The movements fit the music, LOL
When you cross the arms like a X is called skull and crossbones... It's an intercepting motion to use the elbow to attack and defend at the same time. I.E. blocking or attacking with a 45 degree elbow strike.
Cool. I've seen a man named Solace do the same move, but with his arms inverted -- hands and finger tips pointing down (guarding the ribs) and elbows up (guarding the head and face).
Let's be clear, 52-blocks is a BLACK American made martial artist systems!! (Influence from others not withstanding) Also, I would argue that it was BORN ON THE STREETS of Harlem and Brooklyn, but MAYBE refined in prisons. Other than the details of origins, I think this was a very fair and thorough analysis of 52-blocks. He showed tremendous respect for the art, just wish he'd acknowledge the artist properly.
North Carolina before New York. Original peek a boo style.
@massdisruption3437 I can believe that. This seems to be the natural progression and migration process for a lot of black people's arts. Same with cultural foundation of hip hop.
@@Drealistaliveyep, correct.
He knows that and conveniently fails to give the credit to Blacks as the originators of 52B yet he repeatedly gives Filipinos and Chinese their credit. You know wassup King. It makes no difference because you can’t find a video of 52B without us in it so he’s forced to acknowledge us. Blacks created all Martial Arts anyway when it’s all said and done. Thats also why he tried to make a video discrediting the style even tho he claims to hate doing so.😒 what you sensed was on point. Never doubt your gut.
16:50 this looked like touch butt at the park lol, cool breakdown though truly first time hearing 52 blocks
I've been watching your videos for a while. Like how fair your opinions are and also the little instructions/explanations in btwn. Funny, after your last video I had this wish you do one on 52 blocks. Good to see this video and stopped what I was doing to watch it.
Your approval of the system is comforting as I'd been a practitioner for a while and try to wade through the murk to the good stuff and nice to see you did as well.
Good video, definitely subscribing now
Thank you for the kind words. You are lucky you get to train it. I definitely like a lot about it.
I like your channel. You are realistic without having to "poop" on other Martial Arts and looking for value in everyone's experience
I like the "Rhino" position you demonstrated a lot. It was one of the first defensive positions I learned from my MMA coach for the street. From the Rhino, we called it 3 point cover or spear elbow, you can go into a Thai Plum Clinch and setup knees if the opponent pulls back, if they push into you, you can manipulate the head and move into a guillotine choke. It is such a power position. We also used the spear but more on a disengage to keep the opponent at a distance and the cage is obviously very good if you get overwhelmed. Good material, I subbed because finally someone talking sense!
I’ve heard so many stories about the origins of Jailhouse Rock.
One proposed origin is the prisons of American South during the 1920s and 1930s.
Another source put its origin back to the plantation era, when slave owners would bit slaves against each other in so-called “Mandingo fights”.
Others say it can be traced to bare knuckle pugilism.
Over time other systems influenced if, karate, wrestling, Chinese martial arts. It wouldn’t be inconceivable that FMAs and Silat also had an influence.
52 Blocks is just one variation, there is also Comstock, San Quentin, 42d and some others
Techniques from it were utilized in Lethal Weapon, taught to Mel Gibson by Dennis Newsome.
I remember I read a feature story in Reader's Digest. A murder story where one of the suspects was a veteran street fighter. In one of the juvenile facilities that he landed in,, he learned something called Jailhouse boxing. It described as street fighting combined with had moves to confuse opponents and protect your face.
Seems like this
Sounds like boxing
52 block jailhouse rock was created by Foundational Black Americans, period. There was no Phillopian influence or no Chinese influence at all. And this whole ideal that Black people were influenced by Asians or Europeans is also another myth . Because before they had any Asian martial artists , Africans were doing " Monsoon Arts" for thousands of years and had the very first military forces come out of Africa, if we're going to be technical. When Europeans discovered Africans practicing Monsoon Arts , they quickly adopted it , remixed it into Greek/Roman practice and began calling it " martial arts," because they were naming it after those Greek/Roman gods. But, nobody influenced Black Americans when it came to the 52 Block. We just never got interviewed during slavery or Jim Crow segregation , by any white publications and we were unable to report or teach this publicly due to all of the racial violence and hostility going on in America.
From what I’ve researched the oldest recorded martial arts are in India… and exported to Asia from there. While I’m sure there were arts thag existed across Africa even worldwide at similar times as every civilization needed self defense the notion that modern day 52 blocks is not influenced on any level by other systems is a fallacy. Whether there is a “Filipino” influence is far more debatable i agree but the notion that incoming and mainstream systems of the time had influence is undeniable and not something that is a negative nor does it take away from the uniqueness of the system or it’s cultural importance.
Not everything has to be a battle for who owns what… we all take techniques from each other… kyokushin stole a lot of its kicks after meeting Muay Thai etc…
Aka ancient African martial arts did not look like 52 blocks. They were weapons based systems for the time period they existed in.
Never humble
Been doing the arts since I was twelve. First black belt sensei at 14. Golden Gloves trainer at 16.
In under 2 minutes of the first round.
He won his 8 matches with his left hook. He emphasized no changes of position between the arm and the chest.
I interpret it as adding a follow up counter offensive based on the same principles.
I have never been hurt and neither start or decline combat.
All techniques require understanding the details plus combos from multiple systems.
And best to keep your feet moving too.
But I have studied oriental systems deeply, and have studied every system to know basics.
History too.
First complete new system I have seen in decades. But looks useful as one more tool.
Ty
I don’t know if 52 Blocks aka Jailhouse Rock actually works, but i’d respect the hell out of it.
52 blocks and Jailhouse rock goes back since the 19th century, the original name for it is called *Knocking and Kicking.* Sources out the origin of black American prize fighting and self defense. Influence, culture, and environment evolved it later on.
I did Silat for about two years and we were really into clinch and Pesador style entries, Those open hands can easily be Bunkai (i did shotokan as well) often ending up into wrist holds for hand trapping etc. This was back in the JKD mentality before I went full grappler. I never knew about 52 blocks....i must learn more!
Been watching safye carmen for a while, also had the chance of training with lyte burly once. But I am surprised you did not show Dan the Wolfmans version of 52 .
My body is old and it's damaged and it's hurt... That resonates
That sparring clip late in the video made it look like that crossing motion you talked about earlier was to trap the opponent's fist.
52 Blocks is a defense used in jail to protect the face and neck from bladed attacks.
This style of fighting was based on limited space such as a prison cell. To attack and defend while not accidently swinging and hitting concrete walls.
I learned it during my bit. I don’t normally list it as one of my styles bc people seem to know where it comes from. I learned it from this old black dude named Ed. He looked 60 in his face but his body looked like Roy Jones Jr in his prime. Like Vince McMahon. He was home 3-4 days when 3 men emptied their clips on him infront of his daughters house. And that’s a Baltimore story for you.
Thank you for your story! Loved it.
I was born in Baltimore and can attest to the fact that Baltimore stories often result in someone emptying a clip in someone else
That's Baltimore for ya
Did Mike Tyson learn this???
Yes, Brooklyn dudes was known for JHR/52B it was even called in the beginning Brooklyn's dirty little secret!!!
@@erictubbs6854 I can kind of see something similar in his boxing style, he was in and out of the home as a youth, I think he did some of this stuff before Cus D'Amato got to him!!!
@ericcaledonai9700 Tyson was born in Brooklyn yo TF lol
Cool presentation, you left out, Lyte Burly and the notorious, Lord Rahmel and his, “ Dance of death ) east coast NYC brothers. Peace ! 😀🥷🏼🙏🏼
Never heard of 52 block.. very interesting thx
Holy shit so this makes so much sense to me now. My uncle who did like 12 years would stand postured with his elbows high on his chest like hand on chin or arms crossed high when he was in public speaking to people. Even when sitting on his couch watching TV he would sit with his arms crossed high on his chest too so I guess he was always ready for battle.
A fight is won by several different factors,,,there was a guy in my high school who had it all together,,he would keep punching his opponents hands till they quit putting them up and quit
Thank you so much for this..i added it to my capoeira..next gonna add bjj..
I cross-train no-gi BJJ and I refuse to develop a guard game. I always strive for top position and when I am at bottom my goal is to escape, either by sweeping or getting up. It is not the most efficte way to get good at JJ, but it is the most effective way to get good at practical grappling
That’s the right way to train for self defense imo
Thank you for making a video about the systems never invented by African Americans and poor communities thank you I am a subscriber now
No one on RUclips goes into detail on all the lesser know martial arts styles like you! Love the content. Would love to see you collab with some of the bigger martial arts RUclipsrs I feel like Rokus from martial arts journey would be a great convo. Or Ramsey Dewey!
Thanks so much. I’d love to connect with them. They have great channels.
Thank you for this video. I didn't know about that art.
But
It's weird but I'm thinking if there's a paranormal/supernatural Martial art 😄
There are definitely martial arts with a spiritual aspect. Even Silat has it.
It was perfected in the prison system but it wasn't invented in the prison system I repeat it was not invented in the practicism it was invented on the streets of black communities boxing based system. Jailhouse Rock was a variation of 52 but it's a different style of of its own which was invented in the prison system
Appreciate the update
@@inside_fighting thank you for stating 52 blocks is a system and understanding the difference between jailhouse Rock and 52 I truly appreciate this video and what you've done and your appreciation for our culture thank you
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Yes black street boxers like Frank Childs,Battling Jim Johnson,Joe Gans,Joe Jeanette,Sam McVey and Harry Wills. etc.From 9.11 it looked like rough and tumble boxing like what Bill Richmond and Tom Molyneaux did because of the boxing blocks and punches and grappling.
FYI I practiced this martial art and based off what I've researched,discovered and what was said to me, it never started in prison, but it was developed in prison. Just saying. I'll provide some video proof to support my statement in this comment section shortly. Also Mother Dear never invented 52 blocks, but he was a practicioner of the art only knowing a few blocks. That statement can be easily debunked. Jailhouse rock and 52 blocks is not exactly the same thing though, but there are some similarities.
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great points: dojo-zone vs kill-zone training.
Good vallid points mate
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hey dude thought u might get a kick out of this but i just watched footage of Steven Seagull saying 40 years ago he invented a martial art move called the front kick..true story my man
Weapons like the bow and dagger were invented in every corner of human civilization. Some things just work. There’s no reason 52blocks and kali couldn’t come the same conclusion.
People should follow this elder he has a lot of knowledge on martial arts and bare knuckle fighting.
Very enjoyable video, I just started watching your channel. Thank you.
Howdy. First, love your channel. I've been tuning in for awhile now, & I've always found your content interesting. This video hasn't changed my perspective. That said. I think that in doing your research, you should've dug a little deeper. The reason for this is that, as you pointed out, there are differences in 52 Blocks, the most notable of these differences being that between the way it was practiced/taught in the prison system, & the way it's taught/practiced in the streets. Real Jailhouse 52 doesn't have 52 actually blocks. Think about it: Where & when in the prison environment would you have the time & opportunities to learn 52 actual blocks, especially when you consider the fact that practicing anything other than boxing in the yard/gym on the heavy bag isn't allowed, & sparring is prohibited. The system had to be taught secretly, & wasn't overly complicated so as to make sure that the guys it was being taught to could actually learn it. 52 has a number of core blocks, sometimes referred to as "Mother Blocks". These blocks pretty much define the system, as most of the Blocks in the system are simply variations of these blocks. This idea of there being 52 actual blocks is a relatively new one, as far as I'm aware. There's a lot that I can say on this subject, but I'm not trying to take up too much of your time. Thanks for making this video. It was refreshing to finally hear 52 be spoken of positively by martial artist outside of the 52 Block community for a change. I appreciate you for taking the time to do that. Harambee!
Some of the motions are designed to knock away razors if I recall. They spit razors into their hands and slice your face up with those buck 50's.