Westinghouse igen 4500 Review Setup Test Inverter Generator
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Set up and full sound and load test of the westinghouse 4500igen which is the same gen as the onan cummins 4500i. In the video we setup the generator out of the box and and get it ready to run only to find a problem right out of the box. Find out how to resolve the issue.
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Thank you for this. I bought this generator at an auction for $325.00. Couldn’t get it started but it looked brand new. But after watching this, I was able to reconnect the connector and it fired right up.
Awesome I’m glad I could help…👍🏼👍🏼
Did the connector stay attached? I bought one today for $250, found the connector off. Reattached, ran good, then back to same problem. Going back in tomorrow to find problem. Is anyone finding these connectors popping off during use?
@@thomasgibson8025 I haven’t had an issue with it popping back off. I start the generator once a month just to let it run for a couple minutes and no issues so far.
I actually found one were the choke assembly was not tight. So it was good as first and then loosened up a few hours later.
Could e if choke assembly is tight. Pop panel and watch it operate.
Iwanna buy this generator to used with one guitar,one piano, a bass and pro speakers system i had 1700-2200 watts generator but one of my power soeaker turnoff by itself,you think buying this generator will solve the problem
Been watching your videos and doing a lot of research on generators lately. One thing I would recommend, since these don’t have oil filters, is replacing the dip stick with one that has a magnetic tip to catch at least some of the suspended metal shavings in the oil.
Yea they are not bad things to have. I have had them before I just don’t have one for each unit and something’s they are bought and sold as I switch out products.
Man they should give you the job to do every review 👏🏾👏🏾. Quick straight to the point!...awesome job great content
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Great video Johnny. Good on you for showing how to do the factory's job and fix the choke issue.
Yea this issue has been around for a while. I was wondering if this one would have it when I got it ready.
But I suggest if people are not handy just return it. Because if you mess with it then you void the warranty.
Awesome video bro, I have one sitting here now that I am about to follow those steps get it ready, and set it outside to see what it does🙌thx
Your welcome hope you enjoy the gen..👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends I really don't think securing the cable is going to void the warranty. It's not that much different than cracking the case door to put the oil in. If you damage the case I can see them having an issue, but I know a few people that were told directly by Westinghouse how to resolve the issue and that it wouldn't void any warranty and that it would save some down-time for them taking/sending it to a repair center.
Thanks for info on the choke! I've been manually opening and closing my choke on Onan 4500 for the last year.
Wow that’s crazy. Did you do this? And did it work?
Let me know …👍🏼👊🏼
Wow! I just bought two of these. I was thinking there is no way the actual running watts would be 3,700. It looks like one will do the trick! I was planning on running them parallel. I still might and use mine with propane, or just use gas on one and keep the other as a backup. Mines the DF unit 🤞I don’t have to fix the choke issue. Seems these units are really well engineered just have some QC issues. I’ve noticed a lot of other manufacturers sell this rebranded. I need the the Duel Fuel, Remote Start, Parallel option, light weight 3,000 plus watts. So this or a rebranded version were really the only option I could find. I really appreciate this detailed honest review. At least now I know what I’m getting into.
Let me know if there are issues with yours. And yes not as many problems with the df since it’s a later model maybe they fixed a couple things
@@johnnysweekends Will do! Your channel has a ton of useful videos. I have a small fleet of mobile pet grooming vans. My generator is going to take a month to rebuild. In the meantime I’ve spent an unbelievable amount of time and money trying to build a viable solution. I wish I found your channel sooner. But if I got these generators and the remote start wasn’t working I would have probably waisted more time and money returning and waiting for generators. Knock on wood It all pans out!
Well so far so good! Had two of these (DFc updated model) running all day yesterday. My work van has two separate 30 Amp terminals one for 1,500BTU A/C and another for my 2,500W blow dryer and a few 120V outlets. So haven’t needed to use a parallel cable. It was between 90-100 degrees all day. Was able to get about 6-7hrs of work at nearly full load before having to refill fuel. No issues with remote start. The units stayed pretty cool. It’s only been one day, but so far so good!
@richardbixler awesome hopefully they treat you well. Change the oil if you haven’t already.
And thanks for the update
@@johnnysweekends There was some oil in the gen when I set it up. I put the 1/2 qt of break in oil that came with the gen. Checked the oil today after about 14hrs. The oil looks really clean, with only slight metallic silt on the tip of the magnetic dip stick I upgraded to. I’ll take the side panel off and carefully drain the oil and add an EZ drain valve. Really happy so far! Considering all of the unique requirements of my particular use case, I don’t think there’s a better generator for any price that would work as well for my application.
I have one of these generators coming right now. Glad that the choke issue is a simple one to correct, if it happens to mine.
Yea lets hope. If it doesn’t work return it quick as it could be the inverter board. Some are prematurely dying.
Thank you for your video, by following your video I found the very same issue once plugged in the wire the choke started working correctly
Glad I could help and thanks for letting me know …👍🏼😀
Best video I have seen on this unit. Just ordered on Amazon and will arrive tomorrow. What sold me was when your removed the panels and I saw how easy it is to troubleshoot. I like to see what's under the hood. Also, liked to see it under full load so I know what to expect.
Awesome glad I could help and welcome 😀👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends Thought you said 7 months ago. "@Hnopedro1 stay away from this model as it’s had lots of problems. Go with the champion or wen model. " So what's with that?
I don’t recommend it. Doesn’t mean people still dont buy it. And some have good luck with it. Mainly the DF model seems to have less issues. The onan which is identical seems to not have any issues. So i would spend the extra on that.
Wow…what a perfect review! I just bought this cause my predator took a dump when camping now can deal with the connector issue. Thanks!
Wow thank you.
And I still can’t believe they are having issues with new units. This is kinda crazy. Try to get some slack as the harness is snug. And as the engine vibrates it will pull it out
@@johnnysweekends I wonder if you could put a piece of tape on the flat side of the connector to make it fit tighter. Is there room to put a Zip Tie around it after its connected?
I found that if you cut some of the zip ties in side that is holding the wire harness all together and give that section some slack it seems to help. The harness was pretty snug so it would vibrate and pull the plug out again
Dang, this was a fabulous 👌 review 👏! Very informative and thorough.
Thank you and thanks for watching..👍🏼😀
Mine will be delivered tomorrow. Thank you for putting this video together. It will make my setup much easier having watched this. 🙏
That’s awesome glad I could help..😀👍🏼
It’s amazing that the manufacturer hasn’t addressed the auto choke issue already. You shouldn’t have to do troubleshooting and moderately skilled maintenance work just to have a brand new unit work properly. Also, I highly recommend you change the oil ASAP. The majority of the contamination happens in the first 10 minutes of running. I’m making a video addressing this topic with my WEN 3800.
Yea I normally change the oil in all the new gens after the video. So maybe 30 mins to about a hr max.
Some I keep some I sell lol.
The wen 3800 is nice👍🏼
And yes this issue should have been fixed a long time ago but when you ship a few thousand generators to America there is no way to send them back.
So I suggest anyone with the problem to return to the store or where ever they got it and let them deal with it.
Then someone else who can fix it will get a great deal on a open box item that needs a quick fix.
Hey I didn’t remove your reply. And I’m actually missing comments now and lost about 25 subs and a lot of views.
RUclips is having a glitch or something right now. This happened about 5 months ago and took like a month to fix.
So I didn’t remove anything just so ya know.
I wouldn’t do that unless it was inappropriate
Hey let me know you got this. Many RUclipsrs are missing alot of items.👍🏼
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Holy Smokes! I am sure glad I didn't have this issue with my iGen 4500.
Yea some people got lucky so it’s good they don’t have to deal with it….👍🏼
Great video also, it’s very detailed and thanks for the heads up regarding the choke. Mine seems to work pretty good.
Great review ! and because of this review I decided to order one at HD for my RV. It's just a bit more expensive ($1099.00) But I got a 10% MIL discount making the price more reasonable.
Awesome glad I could help and enjoy the new generator..😀👍🏼
Great video, articulate and quick with the info. 👍
Thank you and thanks for stopping by 👍🏼😀
I like that starting feature.
Yes that remote start is nice and becoming more popular.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😃
Thanks for the video.
Don't care how good this generator is but to have that connector not connected right from the factory is a no go for me. Terrible QC.
My Wen 3800 is still the best generator out there for the money.
Those are good gens so far.
Yea no one should have to ox his issue even though it may be easy it should not be the customer who has to fix it and should just return I and let them deal with it.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
Funny I don’t as well for other channels. Sometimes I do and other times I don’t.
I don’t think it does crap.....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Some of the wens are almost exact copy of champion with orange plastic...
excellent video I already have mine set up but I watch yours anyway, if you ever have time to do a key fob pairing, I would appreciate that video because mine does not work. They have sent me two replacements and I’ve went through the programming as per the manual, and I still can’t get it to work. Thanks.
Hi, if they sent you two keys and nether work then I would assume the module is the problem and not the key. Unfortunately I hear more problems on this unit then several others.
Not all are bad but seems more then the norm. 👍🏼
I just got this generator and i had the same problem with the choke. Seems like quality service is not there strong point so im returning mine. 2 years and still same problems. My on off switch was put on upside down too.
I have been recommending people not to buy it but they still do. I think the onan has way less problems
@JOHNNY'S WEEKENDS yup its crazy they still do this. I thought for sure it would be fixed by now. Great video bro!
I thought as well but here you are ..😂
Oh and thanks 👍🏼😀
Just had this delivered. I will not tear apart this generator to fix it. If it isn't running as it should, it will be shipped back along with bad reviews!
I agree to many bad units, don’t recommend anymore
I’m a Handyman, so this is an easy fix for me,thanks again 👍👍. You couldn’t have explained it better with this video thx again, i’m about to subscribe to your channel right now.
Awesome glad I could help and thanks for the sub..!!! 👍🏼👊🏼😀
Great job on your videos, so informative. As a new owner of the Westinghouse iGen4500DFc, I’m confused whether or not I need a Ground Neutral Plug when connecting to my 50 amp service RV w/30 amp adapter?
Only need one if you have an onboard pms or EMS system.
No inline surge protector needed when using a Gen.
@@johnnysweekends I will need to do some research on my Eclipse Attitude 3016ss Toy Hauler to see if they install these at the factory. Thanks for your quick reply and keep up the great work!
Hi Johnny, love your useful videos. I have an interest in Westinghouse’s new iGen11000dfc inverter generator but there is no information on them yet. You would be the perfect reviewer. Any chance you could do a rundown on that one?
I may have to take a look!! 👍🏼
RATS!! I was really excited about this generator & the way you were setting it up....until you had to take apart and disconnect the thing because of the choke. I'm a grandma living out in the boonies just wanting enough electricity to run my internet & lights. Already purchased a kerosene heater for emergencies.
Look into a champion 4500 or 4650 and dual fuel. It’s quieter and better customer service and warranty.
Buy a extended warranty if you want as well and then return it no questions to a big box store like tractor supply co.
I just have to say that during my lifetime, I have been up to my elbows in more machines and systems than I can recall. That having been said, the choke issue you showed is a complete non-starter for me. $1000 to have to tear the thing open to fix a QC issue? What other issues are hidden that will cause a premature loss of my $1000? Now, as someone who is elderly and somewhat limited, they can keep this junk. I would rather go with a brand that cares what they sell you.
I agree no one should have to fix this issue. Granted it’s not a hard fix but I would suggest anyone just return it and let the manufacturer take the lose.
It’s not for the customer to fix and some shops won’t work on this stuff.
Generally I'd agree, but if all other things are equal in the generator to a higher dollar one ($2529 MSRP or Honda EU300i with less power compared to $1049 for the iGen4500DF unit which runs off of propane or gasoline) I can take 20 minutes of time to check the plug and make sure it is secured and add a drop of adhesive to make sure it doesn't "jimmy" loose. And I'm almost 60 years old and nowhere near as "agile" as I was 15 years ago. They make electric tools that do wonders for removing those screws now.
My second iGen4500DF (ordered through Lowes) came in with no issues and I've been running it for 6 months with no problems showing up. The first one was not a QC issue but a shipping issue. Lowes apparently decided to abuse the box and the plastic case on the iGen4500DF got cracked and I refused to accept it. In fact, I liked the iGen4500DF so well when I noticed that Lowes had the iGen2500 for $399 on a one day sale I grabbed one of them even though I really didn't need it. I can add a MicroAir EasyStart to the travel trailer and it will run our 15K unit just fine, but I really got it for a spare in case we only needed to power the fridge and a few lights around the house it would keep me from pulling out the big gun.
I am wondering about a fix to attach the plug so it can't fall out.
Thanks I like this video Thanks for showing the choke issue
No problem and thanks for watching 👍🏼😀
My built in generator has been nothing but problems and im full time boondock so I just ordered one of these to try to make sure I atleast have some form of power should I need it I was kinda limited by storage space and this fit both the size and the price point
Awesome, hope it fits your needs. I do get a decent amount of positive feed back from this unit.
Thank you for this video I have an Ford FG4500iSE very similar generator. Do you know if that controller on your generator has a 2-wire connection for an automatic generator start system? If not any advice for making it 2-wire for auto start or an other generator models?
Sorry IDK to be honest.
Thanks for the great video and info as always! When you buy a new generator, do you go through any sort of break-in procedure?
Yes my own which is basically heat cycles like we used to do when racing dirt bikes or triple cylinder jet skis.
Popular in the racing world, if you actually get time to break in your stuff sometimes it’s build, fire it up , run a easy lap and go line up, lol. Funny how we ran a whole several times like that and tear down looks great…😂
My break in takes maybe 30 minutes at most. The longest part is the cool down.
Hi! Great video! Very down to earth not nerdy explanations, so crapy old guys like me can understand evrything. Have a question; if you put two of them in Paralell, means that you will have 9000w peak, 7400w running with 50 amps and 240 volts? Or you will have all the above but still 120 volts? Maybe a stupid question for many, but new on this generator thing and want to learn. Once again, great video mate! 👍
Yes 9000 peak watts and 7400 @ almost 60 amps!!! But yes you will be at 120volts.
If it was 240 volts your amps would be cut in about half.
All depends what you are wanting to run.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends Thanks for your speedy reply. Only thought instead of buying a $3K+ or more if is an inverter, 40-50 amp generator that will consume almost 9 gallons of fuel in maybe 10 hours so I can use the two bedrooms a/c. Maybe using two of those 4500 in Paralell was going to get 240v, so more running wattage, more amps, less fuel consumption (maybe 14-16 hours on total 6.6 gallons of both tanks of fuel) and less money spent. On nights both inverter a/c 12,000btu 20EER 240v from 9pm until 6am, fridge 3.8 amps whole night, 5.0ft chest freezer 1.2 amps whole night, LED tv 1.5 amps for couple hours. And by day only use one of the 4500 for the fridge, freezer, tv and/or laptop cuple hours. Was an idea because I live in PR, which is on the path of 90% of hurricanes. Since hurricane Maria hit the island on 2017 which the energy infrastructure was badly damage, as of today 4 years later, we are dealing with blackouts weekly. So my idea was good until I got to 240v, which only will get 120v on Paralell.
@@johnnysweekends Hi again! Saw a Ryobi 4000w inverter in Home Depot. Very user friendly, no techy gadgets. 4 120v 20 amps plugs and one 120v 30 amp plug, says will deliver 12 hrs on one tank of fuel (3.3 gallons) @ 50% load. Is not Paralell capable but is almost half the price of the other ones. Checked your channel but didn't saw any video of that one. Will like to know your opinion of that one, if is possible. Thanks!
I think I know which one you are talking about. Yes inverter, no not parallel capable which is handy. It is also open frame which is considerably louder then the enclosed frame inverter gens.
It runs a 212cc engine from probably one of the 3 manufacturers I see a lot. Loncin, rato, Lifan. It’s probably fine it just depends what you are going to do with it and where. There are better options like the champion line.
@@johnnysweekends Thanks! Yeah! Will check Champion. I liked hat one on yuor video, and saw that in your vs with the Westinghouse the Champion was better. As for "db", saw that is only couple more that the W.
Thanks! Take care!
Seems like a well-built unit but....the fact that you have to remove screws to remove a whole panel just to adjust the choke seems crazy!
I dont recommend this unit
Great video! Thank you.
You’re welcome😀👍🏼
So many issues with my Westinghouse (see my videos). My choke has been one item that has worked flawlessly since day one. They wired mine backwards. The hot and neutral were switched. I used an outlet tester and it showed them switched🙄. Who is assembling these? 😂 My first inverter died and I ordered a replacement ($200). It was also wired backwards. It would be a good thing to test on all Chinese gensets. The remote is a great feature but these generators feel like such a gamble...
So much for testing before shipped from factory
Yea not sure they do that anymore lol.
Hopefully this issue is fixed
I have just bought a Westinghouse I gen4500 duel fuel. I will follow your initiation video. I intend using it primarily on propane but I will use it with gas to get everyone lubricated and run in.
Question; what gasoline would you recommend. I live in Palm Springs California.
David
If you plan to just break in with gas and then run it out and drain it and the carb just use 87. There are no performance benefits from 91. Now higher octane does store longer but that’s your only benefit.
You could even run a fuel conditioner if you want for extra protection as I always like to use something like Lucas.
Congrats on the new unit. 👍🏼
im sure you have answered this before, What inline Voltage/Wattage monitor are you using? The one between your load and the generator?
Thanks,
Here ya go Volts Amps Watts Meter RV Generator Load Meter Build
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Awesome videos! Can you use power off the RV plug and the 20A plug or the 12v plug all at the same time as long as you dont exceed the wattage its rated for?
Yes. You can use Rv plug and others just don’t exceed rated load..👍🏼
Another thing I don’t like is the light that lights up in the on position and wastes the battery. It means i can’t just leave this generator in the on position for days and start it up with the remote when I need it.
Yea I agree but the light is a very low draw led. Maybe .05 amps at most. And the manual says to shut off if you are not going to use it with in two weeks to conserve the battery. At least that is what I think I remember but I scanned a bunch and sometimes cross them a little, but most the generators are the same for the little stuff.
But you should be fine for a easy 10 days I would think. Maybe after letting it run check voltage to make sure fully charged after it shuts off for a couple hrs. Then check in about 3 days and see if it drops a lot.
I checked with a meter and it didn’t change it from 12.9. Stayed the same on and off.
That was holding it on there for about 30-45 secs. So not long
Thanks!
You’re welcome 😀👍🏼
Nice video...thank you. Is this generator one that has recently shipped in last couple weeks? Just trying to determine if this is any different than earlier shipped units from several months ago. Also, does this have a floating ground? Have you used a neutral bonding plug to work with your camper's Energy Management System?
So I believe this unit was a early model still floating around from a couple months ago because I got it and didnt make the video for over a month as I was busy with work and other vids.
Most all these generators that are the enclosed inverter type all seem to be neutral floating type. Which if using in a Rv they are supposed to have grounded neutrals like in a home I guess. So it does not transfer the neutral on the 120v units but I’m curious on 240. But I suspect the same.
And no I don’t have a bonding plug just the surge protector that I use before plugging into home or vacation pedestal.
Some have said that you can add a ground to the nut on the gen but now it does become dangerous and poses a shock hazard so per osha generators don’t need to be ground to earth just the frame of the gen.
@@johnnysweekends Thank you Sir for the comprehensive response!
Your welcome and thanks again for watching.👍🏼😄
I have a question, I recently purchased the dual fuel version of this generator and used it for the first time dry camping. It ran great but did not charge the battery right away after opening it and setting it up. Instead I just filled it with gas connected the two cords for the batteries and ran it on its own for a couple minutes. Then I plugged in my travel trailer and ran the AC right away and it worked just fine but when we went dry camping I left the travel trailer plugged into it turned it on and ran it for about an hour right away with the AC before the overload light came on. Is it recommended that I run the generator for at least five minutes before plugging in the RV and start running the AC? I did just recently install a soft starter based off the recommendation from Westinghouse and it seem to do really good but I wanted to make sure I’m not missing something.
Well always good to read the manual to understand your gen fully. The battery thing as far as charging it is so you don’t put a load on a low voltage battery that can prematurely damage it. Super important…? No not really but just something to consider as some gens can sit for months before being sold.
When you get your gen ready you should fire it up and let it warm up fully about 3 mins maybe then plug in your trailer with everything off you should have no load on.
Then once plugged into gen go ahead and turn on what ever in the trailer. But you don’t want the trailer hooked up and gen not running and then as soon as you fire up the gen the ac unit is turned on waiting for power which puts instant load on the gen, which is not recommended.
Again though take a couple mins to read the manual as there is good info in it…👍🏼
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😃
Hook the RV up to the generator using the 30 AMP cord. Start the generator (with it NOT in Econo mode) and let it run for a minute or so and then switch to Econo mode. Then go into your trailer and turn on your A/C or furnace (depending on the season) and then simply operate to like you normally do when hooked to a 30 AMP supply pedestal. Your generator will provide slightly more amperage than the 30 AMP power pedestal does, but you are still restricted by the RV/Trailer itself to 30 AMPS unless you have a 50 AMP RV/trailer setup.
You should not be getting an overload light, especially if running a soft start (something like the MicroAir EasyStart). If you are getting an overload light on the generator then it is possible that the "generator" (basically an alternator) portion of the generator is having issues. It is possible that your soft start may not be functioning correctly or your compressor on the A/C unit may be going bad. You really need to see how much of a load is being drawn by the RV from the generator to know for sure.
@@tracyperry6231 thanks for the advice. We have been running it a quite few times since the post I made and it’s been running really good. With the easy start it will not overload, plus I’ve made it a practice to start the generator and let it run for about a min with the cord not 30amp not plugged in and that’s been great also. So far no problems with the overload.
@@tracyperry6231 I will also put into practice what you said. Thank you very much for the information.
Ok so that choke thing dont bother me all that much i kinda like this unit and how it js set up. Im sure by now they have fixed this issue i would like to think. Its been what almost 2 years since this video. So i ask you good sir. Now that youve had this unit a while is still running good and what not. Im in the market now and want ro buy something on the more affordable side and this falls in my budget. I've also been looking at the wen 4500 start up watts electric start i believe the model is 56455i. Im on the fence between these 2 right now i kinda like the display on this unit more. What is your thoughts? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
This unit continues to have problems which blows my mind. About once a month someone says thanks for the video on how to fix the choke. So the problem is still there and sometimes faulty stepper motors and even bad inverter board going out.
I would stay away. If you like that model I rarely see or hear of problems with the onan 4500 which is this one ….amzn.to/3PaBziR
But I would buy this Wen model over the Westinghouse house any day… seen here amzn.to/3T61xoJ
@@johnnysweekends thank you very much I really appreciate the information and your opinion. It's so hard trying to make the right choice. I want to get the most out my buck. As we all know everything is so darn expensive these days. Again I really appreciate it.
I have a igen4500.The meter that you built if the igen has a 30 watt RV plug how do use the meter with this because you only used three wires? My extension cord came with an adapter that has three prong on male end and the L14 female end.my inlet box is 30 amp. Could I use an adapter to go from three to the four slot female end to use with my inlet?
Yea you just need to hook to the black wire. White or black on a 3 wire but 4 wire you want the black line. 4 wires would be 50 amp. 2 load wires.
Cam you add a muffler to the generator and make it more quite? Will it ruin the generator?
Ahh you probably could add something but it’s a custom build. I don’t know of a add on.
Did yours come with the charger for the charging port? Do you know what style Charger and voltage?
Yes but I don’t know what size it is. I would assume they have it listed or try ebay
My new generator only works with using the recoil. I’ve paired the remote and that will only turn the machine off but not turn it on.
Good fix
Thank you..👍🏼😀
hello, I wanted to know how much it consumes in an hour? and the noise in db?. Thank you.
I believe sound levels are all in the video
What do you guys think about this generator ? Who is using it or may consider buying it??
Thanks again for watching
Westinghouse is 899 on Amazon currently, predator 869 from Harbor Freight. Considering they are basically the same price what would you choose?
The biggest two things with predator is how quiet it is and being there are a decent amount of harbor freights around for warranty exchange. But I have heard they are cracking down on that and not just taking any generator back for no reason. But some are still having luck.
The Westinghouse has more power and more features and a Rv plug if that means anything along with remote start. So it is a really nice unit and it’s the same unit as the onan 4500.
People have reported good service and warranty from customer service and others not. But I don’t hear a lot of problems with these units. They seem to hold up well.
The biggest problem was the choke issue which I show a quick video on the problem which is just a wire unplugged .
You may also wanna look at the new powerhorse 4500 which is a new version of the old and I assume predator will do a copy again like they did with the 3500.
They are the same. The new 4500 PH is a little quieter and has more power.
I for the price would rather have more power and features knowing that both last a long time and you can always buy a extended warranty from Amazon or northern tool which the power house come with a standard 2 year warranty verses the predator is only 90 days so you have to buy a extended warranty just in case.
So I would be looking at Westinghouse or powerhouse now to be honest and Amazon has a good warranty program.
Hope this helps..👍🏼😀
Update: purchased the igen4500df. Waiting for delivery.
Nice , and dual fuel is always a good option when available. 👍🏼😀
We shall see. Enjoyed the video immensely. Ordering 2 since I have a big 5th wheel. How important is it on the 10 hr break in period? Have not seen that addressed in the comments. Did you run yours for 10 hours? Thanks!
These are sold in the UK as P1PE 4000i "Powered by Hyundai". They are sold by the Hyundai generator importer, so I assumed they do have a Hyundai engine.
Do Westinghouse claim they have a Westinghouse engine?
No it is not a westing house engine nor Hyundai it’s a Chinese motor from one of the many manufacturers like in chongqing somewhere
@@johnnysweekends On their website under product overview it says that the iGen2200 & iGen2500 have 4-stroke OHV Westinghouse engne but it doesn't say the type of engine used on the iGen4500. Interesting!
How far does this need to be away from my Rv. Does it radiate heat from the side ? Don’t want to melt my new RV .. thanks. Great video ….
I have seen many with it on a back storage rack and some are in a special generator box or they throw a heat shield against the back to act as a break between the two.
But in all honesty it doesn’t get super hot as long as it has decent air around it.
The biggest though is having it a little away from the gen so you don’t some how get exhaust fumes coming back to air intakes on the Rv. That’s why they say to have it a certain distance to prevent carbon monoxide poisoning.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😃
Just be careful of carbon monoxide build up near the exhaust. Don’t need to worry so much on RV’s more so if using a generator near a residential house.
What do you think of the Westinghouse traditional generators, like the WGen3600?
Nothing wrong with it pending what you are using it for. If for travel and Rv trips and parks I say no. It was be significantly louder in all ways. Not for construction or power outage Sue run what ya can. And they are cheaper and lighter. Just loud.
But Bulls is the same all in all a Chinese engine but in China or Vietnam
What abouy break in? Is it safe to just run right out of the box?
I suggest doing a light break in on the unit. I do heat cycles of a 1/3 load 2/3 and full. Change oil between 30 mins and first hour.
That plug being disconnected for the auto choke should not happen if the connector is properly locked into place. Sounds like sloppy inexperienced people in the assembly and the quality inspection of it. Plugs like that have a lock on them that should "click" into place if properly seated. They can't just come loose.
I agree, that guy had one job and failed miserably lol 🤣
Maybe it was a Monday morning when about a 1000 units when out. There are still some people having trouble but I think it has died down now.
@@johnnysweekends I hope so since I bought one yesterday. Won't be delivered until the 14th.
Well you can watch my shorter fix video for it. It really is easy but hopefully you don’t have to. And you shouldn’t have to really.
Let us know if it’s good 👍🏼
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Thank you 🙏🏼🙌🏼👊🏼😀
So I have the same generator but with dual fuel and I did my first oil change on it and now it won’t stop leaking oil it looks like it’s coming from the flat case underneath the dipstick for the drain plug is at if you have any ideas I would be grateful to hear them
Could it be running out the dipstick hole??
Did you crack the oil ring or is it missing?
Did you over fill the generator?
That’s what I thought at first I thought that I had screwed something up lol but it’s leaking right to the left of the dipstick where the two metal plates touch each other it’s really odd I called Westinghouse and they don’t seem to care didn’t have any advice for me
How old is it? Still under warranty?
What store you buy from? I would start looking into replacement if possible.
Yea unfortunately Westinghouse/onan doesn’t care about these little gens. They don’t make them anyway it’s a Chinese company and they just put there name on it.
That’s why with any of these I recommend a warranty. You just never know.
@@johnnysweekends I bought it March 26, 2021 from Walmart online they were the only ones who had it at the time I wish I can send you a picture of where it’s leaking from
Do you have the receipt or did you buy a warranty..?
You could send here….
Johnny512052@gmail.com
How many generators do you have in your collection now?
Lol ahh they come and go. I think 8 at the moment. Will sell some soon and grab some others. Lol.
Seems Westinghouse has a quality issue with that choke problem.
And inverters dying prematurely. Don’t buy this model
Can I convert the 30A RV plug to a NEMA L5-30R for use with my transfer switch? Is it safe to do that?
I can’t tell you if it’s safe or not. But what I can say is that the electricity doesn’t care what plug it leaves. As long as the connection is correct is all that matters.
@@johnnysweekends I did that on mine with no issues
how long will the battery last sitting in shot garage
Sorry don’t know. Depends on charge and state of health.
I would say a month to where it should start it easy. After that who knows. But it has a charger.
But I also don’t recommend this unit at all and I would buy the onan model
Looking at videos right this moment as video plays… THIS UNIT IS EXACTLY the same as Cumins 4500. So some China knock off rebranded by diff makers; slap a brand label on it of your choice. As the Cumins tech said in one of these threads, they’re junk and just sit to die when coming in for service.
All generators that are portable inverter gens are made in China except Yamaha and Honda but even then some are now being made in China as well.
Onan Cummins 4500 and Westinghouse are the same gen with the same engine with possibly a different inverter board but not a 100% sure on that.
Unfortunately USA doesn’t make a portable inverter gen.
Can you make a review on craftsman generators?
Yea I can try and as one of those soon. Depending on model it looks like a generac copy on some models.
A lot of these gens are the same basically using the same engine and just a different inverter board.
Does it charge the battery while its running??
Yes it does..👍🏼
Unfortunately, these are junk. Had the Cummin's re-brand (same genset, but with Cummins warranty authorized service locations that made it more convenient for service). I had several warranty replacements for these due to one reason or another. I did all the maintenance on the correct schedule on each replacement.
Go with another equivalent option.
Champion unit..👍🏼
Love your videos. But U kinda sound like Jeff Ross so I always wait to hear your punch line. Haha.
The comedian?? Lol I don’t know his punch line ?
Thanks for watching btw….👍🏼😀
@@johnnysweekends I should have said “the punch line”. Haha. I was waiting for you to roast the generator. 😂
Lol 😂 .
Maybe I could use a line but wanna try to keep it PG…😂
I just bought one of these. I've been without power since October of last year. It's taking forever to get my well dug and no one can give me a definite time frame the power company won't turn on my electricity till I have a well...rule nazis.. one of the selling points for me was that it was remote control start the only problem I realized was the battery has to be charged how can I charge my battery without an electrical source can I charge it through the generator or can I remove it and take it to work to charge?!
Yes when the generator is running it will charge the battery. I dont know if you got a lithium option battery but if you did it should stay charged a long time. You could also do a small solar panel for it. Sure would need much to charge it.
Or fire it up once in a while and exercise the generator and it will charge battery while you do it. Which reminds me I need to fire a couple up lol.
@@johnnysweekends sweet!! Thanks. I just put mine up yesterday. I've lived without electricity since October and it felt weird to have regular house lights instead of motion sensored solar lights. Lol I almost kind of didn't like it. Lol but I'll get used to it when it gets to 100° today which reminds me I got to dig out my AC.
Yea I think it’s going to be hot everywhere… start the AC early so it doesn’t have to catch up.. 👍🏼
Can I refuel the generator while it's running?
It is highly recommended that you do not. And it even says in some manuals to let cool a little before refueling.
No granted I have seen several do it but that one time you spill fuel and it hits the exhaust, well then you end up in the hospital or dead. So again it recommended not to.
Gas fumes are dangerous as hell. I have an uncle who burned himself alive playing with gas. You'd do well to just turn the thing off.
The newer model uses propane and gasoline with no issue out the box
Correct they have a DF model now but they are still having more issues than they should. I just had another person the other day complain of issues on a new unit.
Any chance you know whether multiple fobs can be paired with this generator? It seems like all old fobs are erased when a new one is paired, is that right?
Honestly I don’t know. Sorry, probably have to call Westinghouse to see.
This versus 2 igen2500’s?
If you haven’t seen my two verses one video the principals still apply here. They are easier to load or carry and store. They provide overall more power and normally more fuel efficient then the one large gen.
Only thing is double the maintenance but really, the maintenance is super easy on these little things. Also if one doesn’t start for some reason you still have one more.
Hope this helps.
@@johnnysweekends I see Westinghouse’s website has a chart for both the 30 amp and 50 amp kits and the wattage to expect out of each with different generator combos. The 30 amp only puts out 3600 due to it being 30 amp. Can I go up to the 50 amp kit to get the full doubled output I’m shooting for (5000/2500)? Is this safe to do? Anything to keep an eye on? Appreciate the quick reply.
(5000/4400)*
The Westinghouse 4500 is 3700 rated watts at 30 amps
The two smaller ones are 18.3 each. So you want a 50 amp parallel box and you’ll be good because most have a 30 amp and 50 built in. Even at almost 40 amps you could still use the 30 amp side. It will just trip if your running to much.
Can anyone say quality control !
why does the inside of this think looks identical to the harbor freight predator!?
It’s actually totally different from the harbor freight but the new one I just did, the powerhorse 4500 is the same just updated with more power and a little quieter.
Cuz they're all knockoffs of Honda..
i run 3 of them at a time if i need more power the pulsar genset is the same genset at this one but cost less no fuel gage on the palsar but 1/2 the price
Nice, yea I wondered if the pulsar was the same as is the onan 4500
ps my 3 year old old one has over 4500 hrs on it and its smoking win cold
Wow 4500 hrs that’s pretty good … a little smoke ahhh..
Throw a rich treatment of Lucas in there and maybe up the oil weight to 10-30
To me....that is totally unacceptable to have to connect the choke harness. Why in the world should anyone have to do that??? Looks to be quality control issue. That is total crap.
I agree but I have seen new 70k trucks blow up in the first 3000 miles…🤷♂️
Transmissions go out in the first 25k and more.
This is just someone in the assembly line who had a bad day it didn’t give a crap.
Things happen..🤷♂️
But still, quality control at the end should be checked.
Why would I want to buy a generator that needs repairs right out of the box?
I agree, this problem is still happening and seems this unit just has issues
How much is it ?
I recommend a different unit. To many problems with this one
stick with champion
more CHINA Quality Control at its Best
Lol yea someone was new or not awake lol
Not a good sign, you had to fix it first thing..
It was actually a easy fix even though that shouldn’t be the customer’s responsibility.
I guess the story was during shipping they were coming unplugged because they were not pushed in well from the factory..?
Wow! Quality control sucks. Cummins is exactly the same just a different color.
Yup for the most part same gen, may have different electronics but would need to verify.
Yea the wire I guess wasn’t pushed in all the way so during shipping I guess they get pulled loose.
no 12 volt? Fail
😅 yea I would prefer the 12volt socket verses the usb only.
More versatile.
Thanks for the comment and thanks again for watching 👍🏼😁
@@johnnysweekends you're welcome,im subbed and enjoy ur vidyas!!! no 12v is a dealbreaker,my preditor has 12v and its very conveniont
Yea I agree when I look at these I realize I could still use the 12v with several items and if I need usb I’ll add the 12v socket with USB’s in them.
Thanks for subbing appreciate it and glad you like the viddiesss.....😁👍🏼
@@johnnysweekends you're welcome,been subbed to ya 4 a few months,if a guy had a blown chonda gen set with the right parts(flywheel 12v coil ect.swap'em over BAM....12v installed! and a cool project!
Awesome man thanks for following along 👊
Yea would be a good swap out...👍🏼
dont run a microwave with nothing on it :)
Sad QC
You know these were never tested at the factory.
Yup.. lol
Yeah not buying this one.
junk i sent i back
Did it have the choke issue…? Curious if it did. Did you see the repair for it..?
Glad I did not buy this one, poor quality control on the product line
I would hope they are fixed now.
I am out.
Yea I suggest the champion 4500 👍🏼