Little fun fact here: The actor who played "Santa Anna" is Joaquin DeAlmeida. He also played "Pucho" in the Robert Rodriguez film, "Desperado" which also starred Antonio Banderas. So it was cool to see "Pucho" and "El" reunite as Santa Ana and Zorro.
i never knew about this scene until now and i found that there was a deleted scene. they should have kept it. I love the way Joaquin DeAlmeida as Gen. Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana does his amazing act.
I’m glad they deleted this scene. Showing Zorro with the people as they walk out the valley works much better at ending the main story than this scene as introducing a character we have not seen would have just felt tacked on. Talking to the baby works much better. This ending makes me appreciate the film even more though as it shows that the director / producers knew what they were doing.
It's a damned if you do,damned if you don't situation.Had they kept this scene,the whole confrontation with Montero and Love would mean nothing because Santa Anna learned of their scheme anyway.But by not keeping it,you wonder why didn't Santa Anna show up,considering he was about to meet Montero to make the deal a few miles away from the mine. Plus,Santa Anna is a controversial figure,making his rather sympathetic portrayal here awkward.
The great thing about the ending is that it ends as the movie begins, the fox fulfills his mission and tells his son about his adventures but this time there is no Montero to stop him.
Well, a lot of Mexicans, especially back then, were mostly Spanish and Spanish people are European, same as Welsh and Portuguese, it's not rare at all to encounter blonde blue-eyed Spanish whose lineage goes back centuries or freckled res-haired people hailing form Spain. All Spanish people are European, as same as any lther European nationalities.
@@FreddieHg37 Very true. The Spaniards conquered Mexico way back when. My family and I are all from Mexico. My mother's side all look like white people. Green eyes and light skin. I think their ancestors might have came from Spain. They never mentioned it. But that's what I think. They just say they're 100% Mexican.
The Legend of Zorro shouldn't have been made. This was perfect.
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This movie should have had more screen time for Santa Anna as he was indirectly a pivotal character in the story but not overdoing it as he had most urgent matters to attend.
It's a good scene, but maybe they were worried that Santa Anna was portrayed as a nice guy, while some mexicans and texans don't remember him very nicely.
That commanding officer was supposed to be President General Antonio López de Santa Anna, a condecorated war veteran but sadly remembered mostly as an egomaniac egotestical delusional dictator. When he was president he was never at the charge of any military party, so it's not real, he'd never be exposing himself at the front of an army in an inhospitable remote location. As a Mexican from the very heart of Western Mexico, born and raised, living my whole life here, I can attest, people here are not very fond of the memory of the squabbling, coward, usurpator and traitor he was. I get the idea that the point of this was to both make an attempt at legitimizing Zorro actions by the very head of the government, the President, recognizing him and at the same time closing the narrative, painting the Mexican army and as a representation of the free country as a whole as victorious and the "good side" the legitimate free ruler at the time. Which fun fact, aligns pretty much with the narrative of this subplot, being that forced labor and enslavement was still pretty much a thing and fully legal in USA jurisdictions at the time while Mexico had fully abolished slavery since gaining Independence in 1821 and having its two fully democratically elected constitutional Presidents being of Black ancestry: General Guadalupe Victoria "The Black Eagle" and the Afromexican war hero General Vicente Guerrero. Almost 200 years before Barack Obama was elected president in the USA.
Here he's paying his respects and figuratively surrendering himself and his people to Santa Anna, he wouldn't have fought on the side of the power-hungry, greedy separatists, in fact this movie is all about that, he fought Montero who was a separatist who wanted to create the "Republic of California", besides, this takes place in the historical San Joaquin Valley, with a creative license, but do you know how far from El Alamo that is?..
El Zorro would have infiltrated the Alamo and opened the doors so the mexican army could enter, and in San Jacinto el Zorro would have discovered Houston's attack and warned Santa Anna saving the Mexican Army.
@@chuchotarantino really? some sources call his first government as one of the best times for Mexico and like many others it entered into a tumultuous age?
@@chuchotarantino Lol no Do you think they care about what mexicans think? Even if that statetemen were accurate, it wouldn't make a difference to them. Hollywood has often portrayed Mexico in a worse ways before and after this movie. If they omitted it, it's likely because the reactions of the American audience, particularly Texans. You know, Santa Anna is somewhat like a bogeyman to them, much more vilified there than he has ever been here.
I think Hollywood wasted the fox, it could have been a franchise like Bond or Bourne or Marvel. More quality than the MCU has and would have allowed the fox to be explored more in different times and with different actors. Santana should have appeared in the sequel and not that cheap Frenchman.
The official released ending(at the hacienda w/ their baby) was better 4 it's uplifting feel,but i think they could have included this b4 that sequence.also feel that sta. ana may have felt alejandro was zorro,but that's just me.
@@tonytone9152 no, is not, The Spaniard government changed their uniforms to be similar to the Napoleonic Uniforms and this change included the spaniard domains in America, when Mexico becomes independent the napoleonic style remained, it was changed only until 1860s to a more simple style.
After 25 years, I didn't know about the deleted scene. Joaquin DeAlmeida as Gen. Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana.
That Was A Great Scene, I Wish It Wasn't Deleted from The Movie.
Little fun fact here: The actor who played "Santa Anna" is Joaquin DeAlmeida. He also played "Pucho" in the Robert Rodriguez film, "Desperado" which also starred Antonio Banderas. So it was cool to see "Pucho" and "El" reunite as Santa Ana and Zorro.
Hell yea. Great movie. Look. Who is that guy? I’ve never seen him before. Look. He has a gun. Must be him. Boom!
Bucho, but you had to learn that the hard way'
É Bucho ô Burro! Rsrrss
Didn't he also play Rango in Clint Eastwood's blood work?
i never knew about this scene until now and i found that there was a deleted scene. they should have kept it. I love the way Joaquin DeAlmeida as Gen. Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana does his amazing act.
The problem is, where to put it. Diego's death was a very powerful finishing scene, adding this just lessen it.
I also like this scene and Ironically this depiction of Santa Anna is better than the one in The Alamo (2004)
I’m glad they deleted this scene. Showing Zorro with the people as they walk out the valley works much better at ending the main story than this scene as introducing a character we have not seen would have just felt tacked on. Talking to the baby works much better.
This ending makes me appreciate the film even more though as it shows that the director / producers knew what they were doing.
They still could have kept the epilogue with this, if you ask me.
It's a damned if you do,damned if you don't situation.Had they kept this scene,the whole confrontation with Montero and Love would mean nothing because Santa Anna learned of their scheme anyway.But by not keeping it,you wonder why didn't Santa Anna show up,considering he was about to meet Montero to make the deal a few miles away from the mine.
Plus,Santa Anna is a controversial figure,making his rather sympathetic portrayal here awkward.
The great thing about the ending is that it ends as the movie begins, the fox fulfills his mission and tells his son about his adventures but this time there is no Montero to stop him.
A Spaniard and a Portuguese playing Mexicans and a Welshwoman playing a Spaniard.
Well, a lot of Mexicans, especially back then, were mostly Spanish and Spanish people are European, same as Welsh and Portuguese, it's not rare at all to encounter blonde blue-eyed Spanish whose lineage goes back centuries or freckled res-haired people hailing form Spain. All Spanish people are European, as same as any lther European nationalities.
@@FreddieHg37 Trying to explain a joke ruins the joke.
@@FreddieHg37 Very true. The Spaniards conquered Mexico way back when. My family and I are all from Mexico. My mother's side all look like white people. Green eyes and light skin. I think their ancestors might have came from Spain. They never mentioned it. But that's what I think. They just say they're 100% Mexican.
i think santa ana figured it out, but he chose to keep it to himself.
Yes saying it without saying it the way they smile to eachother.
Yea the Mexican Army could have used that gold to buy/build weapons in their war against the US!
The Legend of Zorro shouldn't have been made. This was perfect.
This movie should have had more screen time for Santa Anna as he was indirectly a pivotal character in the story but not overdoing it as he had most urgent matters to attend.
Antonio and Joaquim reunited after Desperado.
When an action adventure movie has a better depiction of Santa Anna than The Alamo (2004)
The commanding soldier knows who Zorro is. Who the hell deleted this amazing scene?!!!
It's a good scene, but maybe they were worried that Santa Anna was portrayed as a nice guy, while some mexicans and texans don't remember him very nicely.
That commanding officer was supposed to be President General Antonio López de Santa Anna, a condecorated war veteran but sadly remembered mostly as an egomaniac egotestical delusional dictator.
When he was president he was never at the charge of any military party, so it's not real, he'd never be exposing himself at the front of an army in an inhospitable remote location.
As a Mexican from the very heart of Western Mexico, born and raised, living my whole life here, I can attest, people here are not very fond of the memory of the squabbling, coward, usurpator and traitor he was.
I get the idea that the point of this was to both make an attempt at legitimizing Zorro actions by the very head of the government, the President, recognizing him and at the same time closing the narrative, painting the Mexican army and as a representation of the free country as a whole as victorious and the "good side" the legitimate free ruler at the time.
Which fun fact, aligns pretty much with the narrative of this subplot, being that forced labor and enslavement was still pretty much a thing and fully legal in USA jurisdictions at the time while Mexico had fully abolished slavery since gaining Independence in 1821 and having its two fully democratically elected constitutional Presidents being of Black ancestry: General Guadalupe Victoria "The Black Eagle" and the Afromexican war hero General Vicente Guerrero. Almost 200 years before Barack Obama was elected president in the USA.
* its first two democratically elected constitutional Presidents
@@FreddieHg37Wow. I never knew that. Thank you so much for the input.
@@chuchotarantino I am learning a lot of History about this General. But Zorro is a fictional character should it really matter?
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Fort Alamo would not have fallen if Zorro was there to defend it against General Santa Anna's army
The movie takes place five years after the Alamo.
Here he's paying his respects and figuratively surrendering himself and his people to Santa Anna, he wouldn't have fought on the side of the power-hungry, greedy separatists, in fact this movie is all about that, he fought Montero who was a separatist who wanted to create the "Republic of California", besides, this takes place in the historical San Joaquin Valley, with a creative license, but do you know how far from El Alamo that is?..
El Zorro would have infiltrated the Alamo and opened the doors so the mexican army could enter, and in San Jacinto el Zorro would have discovered Houston's attack and warned Santa Anna saving the Mexican Army.
El Mariachi e Buxo.
The Robert Rodriguez version of the movie 😀
Is that Joaquím de Alameda?
Yea
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Why did they delete it?! It is a far better ending than in the released movie :)
because president Santa Anna is not well remembered in Mexico as a good ruler. And this scene portrays him in good light.
@@chuchotarantino really? some sources call his first government as one of the best times for Mexico and like many others it entered into a tumultuous age?
@@chuchotarantino Lol no
Do you think they care about what mexicans think? Even if that statetemen were accurate, it wouldn't make a difference to them. Hollywood has often portrayed Mexico in a worse ways before and after this movie. If they omitted it, it's likely because the reactions of the American audience, particularly Texans. You know, Santa Anna is somewhat like a bogeyman to them, much more vilified there than he has ever been here.
I think Hollywood wasted the fox, it could have been a franchise like Bond or Bourne or Marvel.
More quality than the MCU has and would have allowed the fox to be explored more in different times and with different actors.
Santana should have appeared in the sequel and not that cheap Frenchman.
The official released ending(at the hacienda w/ their baby) was better 4 it's uplifting feel,but i think they could have included this b4 that sequence.also feel that sta. ana may have felt alejandro was zorro,but that's just me.
Omg they should have left this scene
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Zorro is good
Why are they dressed like french soldiers?
Santa Anna idolized Napoleon, that why his army dressed and had a structure similar to Napoleon's army
@@ThePhenom9x is this true?
@@tonytone9152 true
@@tonytone9152 no, is not, The Spaniard government changed their uniforms to be similar to the Napoleonic Uniforms and this change included the spaniard domains in America, when Mexico becomes independent the napoleonic style remained, it was changed only until 1860s to a more simple style.