Let's get a statement from someone who has been freed because their DNA proved they were not the perpetrator. Especially someone who has been in jail for years waiting for the science to advance enough to prove it.
Alright, I’m a European lawyer specializing in (among other things) data privacy and I must say that I wholeheartedly do not agree with Randy’s views on what constitutes privacy or whether or not your DNA information is private or not. It does not matter if you share DNA with your parents or siblings or other relatives. To spin off on Adam’s metaphor of private is what books you read - yes, absolutely, but you probably share library with someone else, unless you live alone, and if you sharing DNA with relatives is what makes it non-private what does that mean for everyone who owns the same book as you? Protecting data concerning your DNA is definitely a matter of privacy, and an important one as well. Furthermore, it is of utmost importance that the government has as little information as possible on its citizens. You may have a trustworthy government now, but you do not know how politics will turn in 20 or 50 years. Every piece of information you share with your government should be for a damn good reason and never because “there might be some use of it” or “I have nothing to hide”. This unconcerned approach to privacy is frankly unbecoming and quite concerning (pun intended). The European Union has a comprehensive regulatory framework concerning the protection of data in no small part due to what happened here not too long ago. Doing business with my American counterparts I often find myself worried about your data protection regulations and your perception of what should be protected and why. But that’s probably a discussion for another day. (However, I feel like I should be very clear that I also find the video you’re reacting to to be silly and uneducated.)
It's really funny, my birthfather was a conman, bank robber, possible murderer and left families strewn everywhere. I did DNA tests to see if I had other siblings out there AND to see if I could be linked to any of his crimes and possibly solve some cold cases. I specifically submitted my DNA to the law DNA thing for that reason lol
My sister and I have had a lot of conversations about all of this. She, me, and Our Mom, and my kids have all done Ancestry DNA. My half brother is a convicted felon, and is in jail right now. My sister has heard all of the things that that video says. It took soo long to get her to calm down. 😂😂 I explained that all of those testing companies have rules against all of that. And, like I told her, if the police have to use my DNA to convict a genetic family member, that family member must have really done something bad to need to be in jail. But, OMG, the "pie chart"s.😂😂😂
My thought: if one of my relatives is scared of being connected to a crime or convicted because my dna (and my aunt, and my cousins..) then so be it. Don’t commit a serious crime, and you won’t be convicted.
Very interesting perspectives. DNA has unending pros. Possible cons, databases in the hands of others, with who knows what ends. For me DNA and genealogy in conjunction, has exceeded my expectations.
Europeans have to register with the police??? NO , well we don't and never have to... people coming into the country ( uk) had to untill 2022 I think but if you are from here at all never have too...
Yeah I'm French and I have no idea what they're talking about either... It's really annoying when Americans do sweeping generalisations on "Europeans" because we are NOT a monolith and each country has its own laws, so it's difficult to know if they're talking about one specific country and wrongly implying it's the same everywhere, or if they're just making shit up.
@@greenLimeila yes agree with you.. it's not a thing in UK to ever register with the police when you move and everytime you move never has been... I'd be surprised if it's any TBH
I came into the UK as a foreigner back in 1991 & heard I had to register with the police. So I went to the police station & they didn't want me to register. It just wasn't a thing.
In the US.private communication, bank account etc. monitored. In Europe you register where you live. (Like in a voting register.) Post will be delivered, you are able to vote, etc. I think the first one is more intrusive.
A couple points: I really appreciate the various points of view here. Adam and Randy’s contrasting levels of caution on privacy provided balance and nuance (I think Adam’s more correct, personally). One argument that Leon from Renegade Cut makes that baffles me is the “whatever happened in your ancestor’s generations is irrelevant to your life” idea. It’s no different from the right wing folks Leon frequently opposes who argue systemic racism doesn’t exist because slavery ended before any of us were born. No 2% Mongolian DNA will have no impact on your current life or identity, but doing real genealogy reveals a lot about how we came to be who we are. On that note, Randy’s “who is this guy” skepticism makes sense on the surface, but this channel has existed for a long time and I think the creator has plenty of social media. It’s not hard to look at his history of videos to see his point of view. It’s not just a random anonymous source.
I should note that I did not prepare the guests for the video, I purposely had them go into it without knowing what the video would be about. We also had to do all of these on the fly because we were all busy with presentations and meetings during the conference.
The "police" have a data base of fingerprints available to them. If you are required to give a thumb print when you get a driver's license, you have just summitted your fingerprint to that data base.
"the company insurance won't accept you!" In Spain health care is public and free, paid by our taxes so it won't really change anything. In fact, when we get our national ID the police gets our fingerprints. So... threats eliminated I guess?
Those countries that accepted huge amounts of people who receive but don't pay for health care don't offer so good health care any more. So a lot of people who can afford it get an additional insurance to get appointments at doctors faster etc. Those companies might be interested in that data. Maybe coming to Our country as well?
Yeah I don't wanna do a dna test unless its private and actually accurate I've seen many times where they were inaccurate or ways where they can be they are just made for fun
DNA tests have a high level of accuracy, especially considering the most useful part which is genetic matches. Part of the issue is that people are so focused on the ethnicity admixture (pie chart), which is the least useful part of these tests. These tests are much more than just a fun toy, they have allowed families to reconnect, unknown human remains to be identified, and violent criminal perpetrators caught. If these tests are just 'fun', they wouldn't have such great utility.
@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts I mean I have a identical twin brother what if he or I commit a crime or he does how would they know who committed the crime if they solve it by DNA.
Your initial statement was about the accuracy of these tests (direct to consumer DNA tests) and Identical Twins will be identified as sharing the amount of DNA an identical twin would expect, so direct to consumer DNA tests will easily show twins matching at around 99% DNA (1% margin of error). So, if your twin committed a crime (or even just a sibling, not a twin) and genetic genealogy was used to identify the perpetrator of that crime, the genetic genealogist will only be able to tell that the perpetrator likely comes from this family unit of siblings, with the possibility of ruling out a few siblings depending on details. That information is then given to Law Enforcement as an investigative lead only (they cannot arrest anyone using the results from genetic genealogy alone), the LE have to investigate further and provide further evidence of which sibling is the actual culprit before issuing a warrant for arrest and/or seizure of property. The only DNA that can be used for arrests are court accepted autosomal STR comparisons between the DNA from evidence and the DNA from the suspect. The issue you bring up about twins would be an issue for these court accepted autosomal STR comparisons, something not used for genetic genealogy. Although I should note this is something they have been working on solving (www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(13)00227-5/fulltext).
My view is pretty simple on all this. I behave myself so I am not concerned and IF I have a family member that pops up dirty...well, I'm still not going to sweat it bc that's on them and I come from a pretty boring batch of family as far as that stuff goes. Current generations at least. That, or else we're just REALLY good at not getting caught but since I know most personally, I'm leaning hard to the boring lol. I have many other reasons I am unbothered. I have worked in security at high levels I know true privacy is an utter illusion and with any and all ideas one can imagine if someone wants to whatever...they will. It sucks, but that's the facts. You can live in fear or you can live those are your only two options.
What about him? I'm glad he is caught. Plus his DNA was matched up by the police going through his parents trash and finding a cup with his dad's DNA on it. Not from codis or some genealogy website.
This video annoyed me so much that I stopped watching. They sound like my roommate who is very much a conspiracy theorist. The commentary is better....I agree with a lot your guest commentators said.
Let's get a statement from someone who has been freed because their DNA proved they were not the perpetrator. Especially someone who has been in jail for years waiting for the science to advance enough to prove it.
The thing that irritated me the most about it was the author's ignorance about genetic genealogy, which is the primary purpose for donating our DNA.
Video: *people spitting into tubes*
Narrator: "Your BLOOD!"
Alright, I’m a European lawyer specializing in (among other things) data privacy and I must say that I wholeheartedly do not agree with Randy’s views on what constitutes privacy or whether or not your DNA information is private or not. It does not matter if you share DNA with your parents or siblings or other relatives. To spin off on Adam’s metaphor of private is what books you read - yes, absolutely, but you probably share library with someone else, unless you live alone, and if you sharing DNA with relatives is what makes it non-private what does that mean for everyone who owns the same book as you? Protecting data concerning your DNA is definitely a matter of privacy, and an important one as well.
Furthermore, it is of utmost importance that the government has as little information as possible on its citizens. You may have a trustworthy government now, but you do not know how politics will turn in 20 or 50 years. Every piece of information you share with your government should be for a damn good reason and never because “there might be some use of it” or “I have nothing to hide”. This unconcerned approach to privacy is frankly unbecoming and quite concerning (pun intended).
The European Union has a comprehensive regulatory framework concerning the protection of data in no small part due to what happened here not too long ago. Doing business with my American counterparts I often find myself worried about your data protection regulations and your perception of what should be protected and why. But that’s probably a discussion for another day.
(However, I feel like I should be very clear that I also find the video you’re reacting to to be silly and uneducated.)
It's really funny, my birthfather was a conman, bank robber, possible murderer and left families strewn everywhere. I did DNA tests to see if I had other siblings out there AND to see if I could be linked to any of his crimes and possibly solve some cold cases. I specifically submitted my DNA to the law DNA thing for that reason lol
American. My siblings believe this stuff. News flash for them. Our parents and I have done the tests, so…
Oh no, not a PIE CHART!!! 😂
Just my opinion, but the fact that they keep referring to them having your blood shows they have no clue how the testing is done.
My sister and I have had a lot of conversations about all of this. She, me, and Our Mom, and my kids have all done Ancestry DNA. My half brother is a convicted felon, and is in jail right now. My sister has heard all of the things that that video says. It took soo long to get her to calm down. 😂😂 I explained that all of those testing companies have rules against all of that. And, like I told her, if the police have to use my DNA to convict a genetic family member, that family member must have really done something bad to need to be in jail. But, OMG, the "pie chart"s.😂😂😂
My thought: if one of my relatives is scared of being connected to a crime or convicted because my dna (and my aunt, and my cousins..) then so be it. Don’t commit a serious crime, and you won’t be convicted.
I have enough trouble with relatives I match with who have fixated on a wrong family tree.
Very interesting perspectives. DNA has unending pros. Possible cons, databases in the hands of others, with who knows what ends. For me DNA and genealogy in conjunction, has exceeded my expectations.
Europeans have to register with the police??? NO , well we don't and never have to... people coming into the country ( uk) had to untill 2022 I think but if you are from here at all never have too...
Yeah I'm French and I have no idea what they're talking about either... It's really annoying when Americans do sweeping generalisations on "Europeans" because we are NOT a monolith and each country has its own laws, so it's difficult to know if they're talking about one specific country and wrongly implying it's the same everywhere, or if they're just making shit up.
@@greenLimeila yes agree with you.. it's not a thing in UK to ever register with the police when you move and everytime you move never has been... I'd be surprised if it's any TBH
I live in Germany and we have to register our address in the city council when we move in but it doesn't have anything to do with the police.
I came into the UK as a foreigner back in 1991 & heard I had to register with the police. So I went to the police station & they didn't want me to register. It just wasn't a thing.
In the US.private communication, bank account etc. monitored.
In Europe you register where you live. (Like in a voting register.) Post will be delivered, you are able to vote, etc.
I think the first one is more intrusive.
A couple points:
I really appreciate the various points of view here. Adam and Randy’s contrasting levels of caution on privacy provided balance and nuance (I think Adam’s more correct, personally).
One argument that Leon from Renegade Cut makes that baffles me is the “whatever happened in your ancestor’s generations is irrelevant to your life” idea. It’s no different from the right wing folks Leon frequently opposes who argue systemic racism doesn’t exist because slavery ended before any of us were born. No 2% Mongolian DNA will have no impact on your current life or identity, but doing real genealogy reveals a lot about how we came to be who we are.
On that note, Randy’s “who is this guy” skepticism makes sense on the surface, but this channel has existed for a long time and I think the creator has plenty of social media. It’s not hard to look at his history of videos to see his point of view. It’s not just a random anonymous source.
I should note that I did not prepare the guests for the video, I purposely had them go into it without knowing what the video would be about. We also had to do all of these on the fly because we were all busy with presentations and meetings during the conference.
@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts yeah, that’s a good point. Thanks!
The "police" have a data base of fingerprints available to them. If you are required to give a thumb print when you get a driver's license, you have just summitted your fingerprint to that data base.
I read somewhere that often when videos have computer voiceovers it’s because the vlogger is in China.
Turns out that I have a friend who is a friend of the content creator, so I do know he is a real person.
Randy Schoenberg is very naive.
"the company insurance won't accept you!" In Spain health care is public and free, paid by our taxes so it won't really change anything. In fact, when we get our national ID the police gets our fingerprints. So... threats eliminated I guess?
Those countries that accepted huge amounts of people who receive but don't pay for health care don't offer so good health care any more. So a lot of people who can afford it get an additional insurance to get appointments at doctors faster etc. Those companies might be interested in that data. Maybe coming to Our country as well?
What's up with the robo-voice? It sounds ridiculous and only adds to the lack of credibility that the video had to begin with
Ha ha. Yep, South Park, with AI. Whoever has "never" taken a test isn't the person I would probably go to for "advise" on "blood".
Yeah I don't wanna do a dna test unless its private and actually accurate I've seen many times where they were inaccurate or ways where they can be they are just made for fun
What do you mean by DNA test not being accurate?
DNA tests have a high level of accuracy, especially considering the most useful part which is genetic matches. Part of the issue is that people are so focused on the ethnicity admixture (pie chart), which is the least useful part of these tests. These tests are much more than just a fun toy, they have allowed families to reconnect, unknown human remains to be identified, and violent criminal perpetrators caught. If these tests are just 'fun', they wouldn't have such great utility.
@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts I mean I have a identical twin brother what if he or I commit a crime or he does how would they know who committed the crime if they solve it by DNA.
Your initial statement was about the accuracy of these tests (direct to consumer DNA tests) and Identical Twins will be identified as sharing the amount of DNA an identical twin would expect, so direct to consumer DNA tests will easily show twins matching at around 99% DNA (1% margin of error). So, if your twin committed a crime (or even just a sibling, not a twin) and genetic genealogy was used to identify the perpetrator of that crime, the genetic genealogist will only be able to tell that the perpetrator likely comes from this family unit of siblings, with the possibility of ruling out a few siblings depending on details. That information is then given to Law Enforcement as an investigative lead only (they cannot arrest anyone using the results from genetic genealogy alone), the LE have to investigate further and provide further evidence of which sibling is the actual culprit before issuing a warrant for arrest and/or seizure of property. The only DNA that can be used for arrests are court accepted autosomal STR comparisons between the DNA from evidence and the DNA from the suspect. The issue you bring up about twins would be an issue for these court accepted autosomal STR comparisons, something not used for genetic genealogy. Although I should note this is something they have been working on solving (www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(13)00227-5/fulltext).
My view is pretty simple on all this. I behave myself so I am not concerned and IF I have a family member that pops up dirty...well, I'm still not going to sweat it bc that's on them and I come from a pretty boring batch of family as far as that stuff goes. Current generations at least. That, or else we're just REALLY good at not getting caught but since I know most personally, I'm leaning hard to the boring lol. I have many other reasons I am unbothered. I have worked in security at high levels I know true privacy is an utter illusion and with any and all ideas one can imagine if someone wants to whatever...they will. It sucks, but that's the facts. You can live in fear or you can live those are your only two options.
What about Bryan Kohberger?
What about him? I'm glad he is caught. Plus his DNA was matched up by the police going through his parents trash and finding a cup with his dad's DNA on it. Not from codis or some genealogy website.
This video annoyed me so much that I stopped watching. They sound like my roommate who is very much a conspiracy theorist. The commentary is better....I agree with a lot your guest commentators said.