Ranking Blackness Using DNA Test Results
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- In this professional genealogist reacts, I watch "Who's the Most "Black?" Strangers Take DNA Tests" by @jubilee
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It's all about skin colour in the USA. Someone can be half South Asian and half black and not be "seen" as mixed-race or bi-racial due to dark skin colour.
Did that girl just fall into the trap of equating using the African-American vernacular as not being well-spoken? I am a linguist and a multilingual. I speak the vernacular and that does NOT equal slang (I use very little) but my default accent and vocabulary are the vernacular when I slip into English from whatever European language I am speaking depending on which country I am in at the moment..No european has EVER told me I was not well-spoken.... They have made the mistake of doing the "you speak so well" thing when speak a language other than English, or being sceptical that I can do it in the first place but that is because of my being American.
Drives me insane. I have had to try to convince my mother that Patois is not 'broken English' but she got triggered and upset, she was raised that it was and so she will keep using that offensive term.
This needs to be viewed by everyone.
I feel like jubilee made them not talk about their ancestors to make it more surprising for the DNA test reveal,unless they all really didn't understand the prompt
I love when you get all…”but facts, science, numbers, gahhhh!”. Keep doing you, boo. Someone has to.
I think "race" based on phenotype (or color if you will) it's a very touchy subject for me, and it's ID10T that humanity still treat others differently due to phenotype..... even in my own family I've felt this, which is why I never want anyone to feel that way....
"you're too white to be black, to black to be white, too yellow to be south Asian, too purple (yes I've been called purple) to be east Asian"
I was not born the US, this is something that happens worldwide unfortunately
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No way does Bryanna appear to be "more Caucasian", no matter what she does to her hair,
not in the US.
I appreciate your take on this. Thank you.
I believe that the colonial South is partially to blame because of the “one drop rule”. Most Black Americans feel the need to “prove” their Blackness because of the shame attached to the racial mixing that occurred from slavery. In reality, many Black Americans are mixed. Even though, according to my DNA, 70% of my ancestry is from Africa, I often get challenged for acknowledging Black heritage because of my light skin and lighter eyes for my race.
The DNA results from North Africa could be challenging to determine due to significant population shifts caused by invasions from the Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Ottoman Turks, and colonization by the French and British. These invasions led to the migration of the majority of the indigenous black population to other parts of Africa.
Yeah or just being in overall separate communities. Someone in Morocco could easily be mostly European, Arab or African depending on the individual. All North African but from distinct ethnic backgrounds
I’ve seen this Jubilee video a million times & I’ve talked about the light skin guy & the guy with the white great-grandparents on my own channel as examples of what it means to be MGM. But of course I had to watch it again with your perspective which is always greatly appreciated.. My guess is that the guy with the two white great-grandparents has two biracial grandparents. If he had a white grandparent, I feel like he would’ve just said that he has a white grandparent or half white parent as opposed to “I have two white great-grandparents.” It’d be like a biracial person saying they have two white grandparents when they could’ve just said they have a white parent. But someone who’s the child of two biracial people (an MGM), they might say they have two white grandparents. But of course in his case, as you said, his European ancestry from them still totals roughly 25% either way (not counting his other smaller bits of European from his black ancestors).
Would love to see a video on ethnoreligions and how to best traverse this complex topic.
Are there any others than Judaism?
@@greenLimeila The one isn't an ethnoreligion. Zoroastrians and the Druze are. They are exclusively genetically connected and do not accept converts. You must be born into them.
Eritrea was an Italian colony (not for a long time, but longer than the Italian control of Ethiopia).
Eritrea has historical ties with Arabia, specially Yemen. Even in Antiquity there were empires that spun both regions. So I'm expecting a non-negligible percentage of Yemenite in the Eritrean girl's DNA
Don't ever say that Ethiopia was an Italian colony to an Ethiopian, they will go off on you. It is a point of pride for them to have NEVER been colonized.
To compare 5 yrs of occupation to 359 yrs of colonization (Ottoman and Italian) is insane.
@stayontop6692 Exactly 💯 Some East European countries were more colonized than East Africa. Ethiopia was fighting the whole time. Even Somalia was fighting with the British and was only beaten by bombardment. Ethiopia's occupation should be compared to the occupation of Turkiye by Britain at the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The Turks were fighting the whole time and finally defeated 6 foreign armies.
I have no idea why people always equate Europeans to colonizers and Africans and Asians with the victims/colonized.
People look at me and say Im black. They look at my full brother and say he’s mixed or even white passing in winter.
I would call the Eritrean young lady an outlier. She should not be in this group. Yes, she is African but from a different haplogroup (I am assuming). She is most likely E1b1b and the others on the panel are E1b1a. Both are African haplogroup but hers is closer to North Africans who share the same haplogroup. In other words she is not west African. It is like comparing apples and oranges.
Agreed. They should have included a dark skinned black person from the south that KNOWS their lineage came through a plantation. My ancestors moved from Louisiana and Georgia during our Great Migration, and have traditional slaveowner last names. Also, my maternal haplogroup is E1a1a...I'm 80% SSA
Great topic and explanation at the end. I think it's definitely the case that DNA and population genetics is not favorable to intolerant folks. It's one of the great key happenings of our modern times just for that alone.
11:42 : "I think Erythrians, Ethiopians, Kenyan, Eastern African that's definitely going to be considered Black " : Lot of them are mix of East African populations and "Caucasian" populations from South Arabia...
Brown sugar?? Huhhhhhh. Yeah NOPE that is NOT a "black" thing.
One could do this exercise for any country that is a mixing pot. My husband thought he was mostly German, because his fraternal grandparents came from Germany and his mom's side had some German ancestry too.
My husband had no Western/Central European genetic ancestry at all 😂. He was Scandinavian, English, Balkan, Greek/Italian, and Irish/Scottish/Welsh.
This doesn´t necessarily mean he doesn´t have a lot of German ancestry. These tests show which groups your DNA is similar to, not necessarily where your ancestors are from, although this is often the same. North Germans are genetically similar to English and Scandinavian people, so his German ancestry might be read as English or Scandinavian.
I have some German friends from Lower Saxony (North-West Germany) whose test results gave them English and Scandinavian but no German, even though they don´t recall having any recent non-German ancestors.
Therefore, their German category must be more connected to central and southern Germany.
So, he might be German after all.
That sounds like MyHeritage results. They’re notorious inaccurate.
@@skeletalforce9673 This. Many DNA websites have mostly samples from German Americans rather than samples from Germany. Germans who immigrated from the US were not evenly distributed when it came to the area in Germany they were originally from; some areas are vastly overrepresented and other areas had barely anybody migrating to the US.
Was it MyHeritage? They read all my German as English. Like 42%. I know all my 2xs GG parents and half of them were from various places in Germany. All the other sites I uploaded my DNA with ID it as German, therefore MyHeritage is wrong.
I'm really interested to see how the coming update changes. (Because I honestly like all the other tools on MyHeritage).
Great video! I understand more about the difference between ancestry and cultural aspects.
I remember in Colorado, getting mad when I was talking with folks after church, ancestry came up. Most people did not even know the names of their grandparents. In Boston, knowing your history is important.
Totally agree about focusing on the matches rather than the regions of ancestries. I know my ancestry is 92.4% British, Scottish and Northern Irish, and 6% German/French with the rest Scandinavian or generally northwestern European. But the matches are what really count.
I have never heard of putting brown sugar on spaghetti. Dose'nt sound like they would go good together.
Word
Sugar in the tomato sauce to cut the acid. Brown or white works.
@@StaRwaka, not quite, sugar IS acidic.
@@leenam.4578 we put granulated, not brown sugar, in spaghetti....and crushed chili flakes.
Regardless, it’s great. It’s the same brown sugar put into bbq sauce. It’s how I cook it.
I really liked this video, I 'm going to share with my friend.
This is an old video. They are all mixed. None of them are Black. As a Black African proper, I don't see these people as Black at all. The Eritrian lady is not black either, as the Horn of Africa are mixed.
Hey man. I would guard against terms like "Black African proper". People are classified in different in different places according to different reasons. I don't think the use of words like "proper" is necessary.
Black proper ❤😂😂😂😂
Like the term
Im high 90s and we are majority Blood Black 70%100 we come from 2 Black parents and Grand parent
I'm guessing OP is referring to proper i.e. place, not proper i.e. correct. In other words, I'm guessing that OP lives in Africa and is black.
I so wish there had been more nuance. Like this kind of comparison is really interesting to me, because you could have 2 people who look so similar but have wildly different ancestry.
It is not JUST about the "history of slavery in America" It is certainly for those of us alive and mixed race of black and white through this last 100 years who had to live in America during Segregation (1964 by federal law) and the preceding years of integration.
Brown sugar in spaghetti is not a black thing, that's wild. You can do a teaspoon or 2 of white to balance the salt but molasses in my pasta is a NO. Why not just add maple syrup?😅
My immediate family and friends put granulated, not brown, sugar in our spaghetti, along with chili peppers. Got to have a bottle of hot sauce as well. We are Black.
I think that the video would be too long to show us the detail of what we're really curious about in their results. I had researched before but last year I took a DNA test and seeing the percentages in the DNA results was a surprise. My grandmother is 1st generation Italian American so I expected 25% Italian, but I saw 8% Northern Italy, but if I add up the Northern Italy and the smaller percentages of nearby places I come up with 20% Italian. The 73% Germananic Europe was certainly not a surprise, but I wasn't certain if the family's statement of being German/PA Dutch was completely accurate since yes that is the heritage of the community we grew up in but when you trace back to the REvolutionary war and know that you have to go further back to reach immigration, you don't really know. but last week, I found a record of my 10th great grandfather having moved from France to join the the religious group which travelled all over the German states due to persecution before finally coming here in 1734; everyone on that ship was of this religious group and I thought all of them were German (the part of my ancestry that I was sure was German!), but now I know where my 1% French comes from. A year ago I assumed that the 1% French was an anomaly.
Brown sugar in spaghetti? That's Yerushalmi kugel, peeps. Served with a pickle. Lol!
Eritreans are genetically similar to Ethiopians, who are around 50-60 % sub saharan African. So she would be more in the middle.
It’s true, and I’ve known people in the U.S who fit into this category, who don’t even know the names of or anything about all of their grandparents, their names or personal history. I find that amazing, since I’m really into genealogy and I can go back to at least the identity of all of my 3d great grandparent‘s, their places of origins, and dates and places of birth.
Jubilee did another video where they “tested” the idea of culture “blackness”, at least the way it’s used in the US. it was a blind folded episode, and one of the volunteers was as European looking as you can get. People would eliminate after some discussions and questions. I can’t remember the results, but I do remember the “plant” lasted a long time. The point was the AREA he grew up. Inner city, lower income. Most of his friends were African American (as far as he knew), so grew up with very similar speech patterns, vernacular, slang, interests in tv/music, understood micro aggressions, etc.
Ethnicity is not the same as culture. Yes they can be similar, but they aren’t the same. Jewish ethnicity and Jewish religion are not equal and mean different things, and needs to be approached with nuanced. The only other group that has traveled a ton for a long, long time while traditionally marrying within their own ethnicity AND culture that I can think of off the top of my head.
Half my family is African. Their idea of blackness is very different than the American idea of blackness. But even in Canada I get that lovely "what are you ?" question. I am often "told" I am Spanish or Italian. My daughter gets Greek. I say my mother is half African and they are shocked. Why do they think southern Europeans have dark hair and eyes?
Southern Europeans don't have dark hair and eyes because of African ancestry, if that's what you're saying. Lots of people in the world have dark hair and eyes, and it doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with African ancestry. My dad has black hair and brown eyes, and no African ancestry at all. At least not in the last 5,000 years.
My family is so mixed that we run the gamut from very very dark to looking completely Caucasian. And sometimes this happens to siblings one is very dark and the other is very light.
I would be called a Sacatra in the old days... 7/8 African Ancestry, Daughter of what my mother would have been termed as a Griffe. I have a Bi-racial Grandad and a white Great Grandad on my mothers side. Born in the UK I have been trying to work out the mix in my DNA
Jews can be defined solely by dna. We descend from the same tribes. Even European Jews have been shown to be able to trace their dna back to that tribe. Endogamy has kept the tribal dna intact. Most Jews do not identify as religious. But we are still genetically Jewish.
For East-Africans like the Eirtrean girl, deep ancestry is more interesting than the 98% African. If she uses Gedmatch she will find out she has 30-40% Eurasian but then people don't understand and think you are telling them they have a recent European or Asian ancestors 😂
The sugar in the spaghetti thing, from what I have heard from runners (cross-country) is that it’s an athletic thing-I guess it cuts the acidity.
Interesting, but I think that they knew the difference between North African and the other parts, I mean than South African can be even range to Indian/South Asian descent or European
Please do they “How Jewish are you” I’m very interested in this topic.
I recently finished making a comment on another video regarding the Taino on Puerto Rico, where an elder erroneously attached extra meaning to the meaning of the word Indigenous (he tried to attach language-speaking & spirituality prerequisites to a word that simply means origin or birthplace).
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Folk say the craziest things sometimes (been there & done that myself on occassion).
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Is it just me, or do others also see within the Black community - regarding "Blackness" - two events: an older event which was like a social pendulum swinging one way & then the other way with changing circumstances over a period of many years [like folk adhering to the 1-drop policy when it was in effect - & for a short while thereafter as well - acting rather inclusively, saying that all Black folk should unite, help take care of one another, & not be overly concerned as to one's skin tone ('cept maybe some of those folk trying to pass for White, if they could, for purposes of making a better living); & then seeing those born after the 1-drop policy was overturned starting to act more exclusively, pushing away other Blacks & starting to tell some of them that they're not Black]; & then, the newest event being like looking at a bouncing American football (where one moment Blacks are comparing skin tones to exclude, & then there's one short moment where the cry is that all Blacks must unite, but then in what seems like the blink of an eye, the next moment some young & voiciferous Blacks are comparing cultural aspects & their experiences in order to then exclude other Blacks because such don't fit their new, imagined criterea)? 🤔
And, Is this seemingly chaotic behavior & thinking being purposely induced by some folk with an agenda or three? 🤔
Go figure, eh? 🤔
It's interesting. Blackness is a social construct, inherently subjective, a cultural question contingent on things like where you were raised and by whom, how you speak, and also on phenotype. But genetic ancestry is not so subjective; it's based on observable and testable science. It's strange to take something that's really subjective and use science as proof of it. A DNA test can't prove Blackness. All it can prove is if someone has certain types of ancestry, and how much those types. Then the person has to decide what that means to them.
Most of us from outside the American experience have a different view of blackness, including in the Motherland. In Africa, if you are a black African, you are black. To most SSA, I am not black, I am coloured, that is their definition and I have no right arguing with them regarding my obvious significant non black ancestry, they CAN see it. Still, those of us from the Islands define as black, racially and it is really frustrating when African Americans wish to gatekeep 'black' when they are not the other diaspora (and indeed, some indigenous cultures) that have been a) put into a black category by white supremacist imperialism and b) Later adopted it as a sign of empowerment. Who is going to tell a dark skinned Australian Aboriginal they are not 'black' ? Well I know who, Americans, who, for some reason, believe it's a term they have ownership of even when they are talking to people no more lightskinned then they are. Similarly, they feel the need to tell someone they ARE black, like the aforementioned, African Coloureds, who don't identify that way for deep cultural reasons. Obsessing over who is and isn't black, is such a large feature of American culture that even in 2024, it's still a topic of convo. This is why the aliens won't come.
It's so funny how you and Creole Lady Marmalade in the comments
mentioned this vid. I saw it after first uploaded and Wayne and I are
the same percentage "black" although we don't appear alike, he looks
heavily Xosa and or San from South Africa or Esan from Nigeria to me?
I'm part, @ 5%, Eswatini/Swazi and San. Btw, it wasn't difficult for me to understand this experiment, Black is Sub Saharan. 😉 I'll have to disagree
with you about accuracy of percentages because both Autosomal tests that
I took gave me "in general" the same?
Confidence or delusional?
Lol, brown sugar is a thing. They can't cook or forget the South.
love your videos jarrett, but i hate watching jubilee, they're Professional victims. Using colour is so stupid, race shouldn't be, black, white, asian etc, it should be: Nigerian, Polish, Chinese. (more specific)
Why should race even exist? What you've mentioned sounds like nationality
We need to stop the conversation of mentioning slavery years, which ended in 1865 and talk exclusively about the America we all experience today that affects us after Jim Crow Segregation started in 1877 and lasted until the law enacted in 1964. This country advanced through the Industrial Revolution, World War 1, World War 2 and Korean War before a federal law was officially passed to begin the process of protections for all minorities. James Baldwin spoke of this constantly. Yes, I come from a black mother and white UK immigrant father.
What the heck is brown sugar in spaghetti? No way, thats definitely not African. Maybe American?
The way I see it you can be culturally something and your ancestry can be something else. From my experience being adopted by Hispanics parents, but having European ancestry that does not include the Iberian Peninsula. The cultural ties are stronger than the DNA or ancestral ties specially if you have no clue or are aware of were or who your DNA comes from.
You mean North American cultural black because not all black act like that. Not black Latinos we dont act like that.
We're all of a mixture of different ethnic groups from different regions of the world, but often we focus on being from a particular cultural group, which is treated as a ethnic group(big mistake). African American is not an ethnicity.
I disagree. African American is very much an ethnic group
We're an ethnic identifier or block
but says really nothing of ethnicity.
I, my younger sisters and our parents
are but Nat Geno 2.0, which instantaneously
identified by my genetics that I most definitely
am, also listed our- I and my sisters' genome in
the 🇧🇲 Bermudian People Group❓😳😯 🤔
@@ThatSuzanneSchmid Elon Musk, who's an Edomite (so-called white) man is marked down as African American on the U.S Census Bureau because he immigrated from Africa to America. Also, Africa and America are two Edomite men named Scipio Africanus and Amerigo Vespucci.
I am proud to have known my mother's side up to all 4 great grandparents who lived until I was in my 20s. And from that history I know the black experience from their lives and research where they came from. So, I know for a fact my family come from the Dorsey Plantation in Howard County Maryland.
From the start i was skeptical of whether this video was of any use, but the fact that they didn't even tell you what readings in the tests were classed as black and which didn't many that by the end i think the video you reacted to is a waste of time. The only thing i was expecting that didn't occur was that no one seemed to say the test was wrong, that they couldn't have that low a reading. We are all different shades of black and white, and culture has nothing to do with genetics, or at best is a small part.
The only thing i will say about your comments are that at one point you said the guy who had a reading of about 50% black must have one majority white parent, I'm not sure I'm convinced by this, why not both about 50% giving him the 50%. The fact they didn't define what black was (i can only assume African) makes this very hard to even analyse though.
Excellent presentation; however, I'd just like to add a few historical points you didn't cover:
1. Before the one-drop rule was officially codified, some states moved those formerly designated as African to white, dependent upon who owned you and how many black women were raped in the family tree.
2. In some families, multiple black women were raped, which is why in my family we refer to the phenomenon as the multi-generational serial rape of black women.
3. A tiny fraction of white men passed as black men to "marry" their black sweethearts.
How
The algorithm keeps recommending these kinds of videos after watching a few of yours, but now I don't really want to watch them without a responsible expert present to give context. I feel kind of bad for the subjects in these, they're all so sloppy.
Hi Jarrett. I’ve read that many „White“ (for lack of a better word) US southerners have a small percentage of African DNA, for reasons similar to the reverse (but not rape) of why so many African-Americans have about 15-25% European ancestry. Amongst „White“ southerners it can run a few percentage points up to 5-7%? Have you heard this and do you believe it to be true? Any references for this? So much for the Jim Crow „one drop rule.“ It’s an interesting twist on the history of the U.S. South.
5-7% Sub- Saharan African blood in white people may be a result of lighter skinned A.A. ancestors passing for white, and continuing to marry whites. In the past, even 20-30 years ago, this disclosure would have upended their lives in terms of work and where they could find housing.
I would think it's all mainly due to rape. Today's southerners might be descendants of light skinned enslaved people who were able to pass and marry white. I don't think there was very much consensual sex during slavery and before it was legal to intermarry.
Imagine being in Africa, as white minority, and saying "I don't know them like that" or everything else she said 😂
Why are you guessing that Serena has a connection to North Africa ? Its an interesting hypothesis. North Africans are mostly mixed with Arab. She is of East African Descent. Shes most likey Eritrean and Ehtiopian maybe some Somlian and Even Arab Ancestry. I don't think shes Morrocan, Algeria, Yemni or even Egyptian based on her facial features. North Africans also tend to be lighter complexion.
What I am specifically guessing are the results we might see from her DNA test, but that doesn't necessarily mean she has that connection in her recent ancestry. These DNA tests are only estimations, and thus give imperfect results, so people will often see readings of certain regions near their known ancestry. In Serena's case, having strong Eastern African ancestry means she will likely see readings of North African or Middle Eastern in her DNA results, even if all of her known ancestry for hundreds of years was only East African. Similar thing with people who are English/Irish/Wales/Scottish ancestry, they will often get Scandinavian readings. Another example is with people who have Native American ancestry, they will often get readings of East Asian.
@@ProfessionalGenealogistReacts Ahhh I see. I am a newbie and def not as experienced as you. Ive been following you for a while. Wouldn't she need to take an mtDNA or other test.
We all come from Africa so...chill.
It is more accurate to take on board how others define themselves because guarantee they intuitively, its all in the genes,. It not what you look like most time it how you feel.
are you white? because a lot of people would say otherwise. are they right?
He's sephardic jewish I believe
@@skeletalforce9673- Ashkenazi and Sephardi.
actually the special Dutch
How many racial groups are there?
Definition= Answer
As many as you want there to be
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Interesting video but watching them standing next to each other, categorizing and sorting themselves by perceived Blackness and Whiteness, was somewhat disturbing.
please stop talking so much....and you repeat yourself!
thank god im not a 75er im a 87.5er
Wot?
😂
Red, you talk sooo much!
This is one of the most frustrating Jubilee video. "Africa" and "Africans" are historically not synonymous with "Black race". The name "Africa" and "Africans" originally referred exclusively to the indigenous people living in North Africa (the Amazigh aka Berbers) not to the people of sub-Saharan Africa with a certain morphotype. Africa[n] was originally restricted to a certain fair-skinned tribe of Tunisia that lived in caves from which the meaning of the name derives from in Tamazight (Berber language). This Jubilee video is incredibly misleading.
I put sugar in spaghetti when i was younger