Vivobarefoot vs Xero Shoes vs Whitin (Amazon) | Review and Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- The Vivobarefoot Primus Lite III, Xero Shoes HFS, and Whitin are all popular barefoot shoes that are worn for a variety of activities. They all perform well but it depends on the activity you plan to use them for.
This video will aim to break down and compare on how the Vivobarefoot Primus Lite III, Xero Shoes HFS, and Whitin perform.
0:00 Intro
0:59 Why Barefoot Shoes
1:35 Comparing the Shoes
2:22 Width of the Toe Box
3:43 Material and Fit
3:48 Material Vivobarefoot
5:10 Material Xeros
6:06 Material Whitin
7:32 Shoe Sizing
8:12 Aesthetics
9:18 Performance
10:49 Cons of the Shoes
11:39 Overview Foot Level Requirements
12:42 Final Thoughts
SHOES IN THE VIDEO:
Vivobarefoot Primus Lite III:
geni.us/QTzmce
(Amazon) MENS: geni.us/ojyLkT
(Amazon) WOMENS: geni.us/xedy5OM
Xero HFS:
(Xero Website) geni.us/N47pg (MORE OPTIONS - Copy and paste in address bar)
(Amazon) MENS: geni.us/lnTE9I
(Amazon) WOMENS: geni.us/DHVf
Whitin (Amazon) :
geni.us/G90OO
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I'm an elderly woman and I've been wearing barefoot (Xero and Whitin, mostly Xero) for about 2 years, exclusively. I actually like the feel of the Whitin - almost like not wearing shoes at all. The Xeros, of course, offer a bit more support. The best thing about these shoes for me is the feeling of balance and security. The thin sole actually prevents ankle injuries if you step off the edge of a sidewalk because your foot can compensate, which it cannot do with a thick and stiff sole. They take a bit of getting used to, but completely worth it. I wore New Balance shoes in a wide width before barefoot style and won't go back to heavy, thick, running or walking shoes ever again. I also have a problem with most athletic shoes because of the heel protruding in the back. I would "catch" the heel on steps when going down stairs.
Excellent observations 🍀
Thank you so much for your opinion! ❤❤❤
I'm not elderly yet, but I've found myself tripping and falling a lot when I wear shoes with thick or squishy soles. I'm trying to transition now to barefoot shoes since it feels more stable.
Ditto for me!! Just want to add that Altras help to transition to Xeros
Same here, I have hypermobile ankles and have been tripping since I can remember. Whitin were my first barefoot shoes, it was a foot-opening experience ;-) I do wear thin insoles though in some shoes.
I have been playing and walking barefoot wherever I lived since I was a child, also on the beach and while climbing rocks and small cliffs at the beach. I always felt shoes to be a constrictive norm and thus I welcome this new trend so that i can virtually walk barefoot everywhere.
You were ahead of the game!
Same here I’m West Indian born island life no shoes always barefoot
I don’t like my feet in shoes since I was a child I’m a island born West Indian. I just came back the the USA and find wearing shoes hurt my feet. I just transition to xerox shoes and lems cleaning out my closet. 😂 the only sneaker I really liked were the Nike 5.0 barefoot running shoes I didn’t realize they were barefoot shoes until just the other day. I had bought so many pairs and had a brand new pair in the closet and started wearing them in the gym and read the inside of the shoe barefoot running smh 🤦🏾♂️
60 now and still barefoot most of the time. I live in a large city in the upper Midwest. I get a lot of flak from people. Whatever.
Every spring I have to build up my calluses for concrete, rocks, etc.
For some exposition: I'm a tall overweight middle aged woman, who lives in s big city, walks 1/2 mile to work and stands on hard surface all day.
I have been wearing mens wide shoes for a while because womens wide shoes never felt wide enough. I got my first pair of minimalist shoes a few weeks ago (xero prio's). At first they felt weird, the outside of my shins felt strained and stepping on my first rock almost made me fall down. After wearing them for just a few weeks my shins feel better and ive gotten used to stepping on rocks and the cracks in the city streets. I love being able to wiggle my toes in the shoes. I definitely want to buy another pair.
Literally covered every aspect I could have wanted to know, epic review brotha!
Thank you for this analysis, especially the bit at end regarding foot strength and health. I love my barefoot shoes, but I've seen too many people talk about barefoot shoes like they're some kind of miracle cure for all foot-related problems.
thank you, these are incredibly helpful in my decision making for the Xeros! very informative and highly recommended. Thanks Doc Michael!
Glad I could help!
Great video thanks for it. After a debilitating injury I went barefoot style 12 months ago; I've been pain free 7 months. I now wear the Whitins everyday. There is a Whiten "wide" shoe model as well, I wear it everyday working on concrete in a shop with North Sole inserts, and wear the normal Whiten style as a casual shoe off work. I wear a finger style vibrum for WO and cardio. I wear toe spacers around the house barefoot. Big fan of the Whitens but I do wish the box was little wider too. Think I may need to try xero as I think about moving into running. Thanks for video again, all the best.
It was a nice to have a video on this subject from someone with professional credentials!
Love my Whitins. Been wearing them for a couple of years now.
Great video. Army wrecked my feet and arches. Switching to minimalist shoes made the biggest improvement.
Nice!
Hello any particular favorite when it comes to arch support?
@@gt9748 I think Lems makes a really comfortable zero drop that still has a bit of padding.
"But hey, I mean, I like what I like." Love your vibe my friend. Thanks for the informative video!
Informative review video! Thank you!
Congratulations on becoming a DPT and all your work in the community. Without some great PTs, I wouldn't have been able to finish my 20+ year Army career. Great review; I keep getting disappointed with dropping quality control and poor products from companies (Altra, talking to you) asking almost $200 for minimum products... good to hear from a professional this topic before a purchase.
Glad I could help and I appreciate your words!
Thank you so much for the detailed review!
I enjoyed your evaluations of these 3 brands of shoes. I have been wearing Xero Prios the last two years and have noticed a definite improvement in the strength of my ankles and calves. The wide toe box has eliminated about 90% of the numbness I developed from Morton's Neuroma; most likely caused by conventional style shoes with cramped toe box. I did not know there is a Whitin shoe on Amazon. I may try a pair for just casual wear. I use my Prios daily and have a few other Xero styles for casual and winter wear. I will stay with the zero drop style shoes from here on out since most of my foot problems have abated after acclimating to zero drop!
That “extra wide” foot 🦶🏼 though! I pray I wouldn’t have nightmares tonight.
Informative video, thanks.
I have Whitins and Xeros. I love them both! They are so comfortable. I wear my Xeros everyday. The Whitins I have are a cheetah print pattern I bought for fun fashion occasions so I don't wear them as often, but I do like them.
Great video. I have 4 pairs of Zero shoes and love them. I’ve been wearing them for about 8 months. I love the roomy toe box for my toes.
I've had the same pair of whitins for like 2 and a half years, I use them for everything hiking, running, lifting, casual wear. The sole is now almost worn through, but I love them. It's the older canvas ones. I haven't tried the newer ones yet.
Glad they work for you!
That is very impressive for such a small amount of material!
I just got the Oranginer Men's Barefoot Shoes - Big Toe Box - Minimalist Cross Training Shoes ($40 on Amazon). Greatest shoes ever! Also rate high on RUclips review. Thought I'd have trouble adapting to zero-drop, ultra-flex (even after removing the arch supporting sole insert). Just doing the right exercises. Bunion already much improved, no more hip pain either. Even wear my toe spreader sets while working out or walking. And so good looking (got the beige).
Great review. I went with the vivos. Hoping they are as good as they look.
Great fit! Converts power well with appropriately placed cleats! 10/10 would recommend!
hahaaaaa that girl checkin yo buns out on the sled push. :D lookin good my man! thanks for the review i think im sold on the xeros.... with the whitins already on the way ofc.
Here, commenting to return some of the value you gave me with this good review
Much appreciated 🥳
I have Whitins and have been loving them for everyday wear and find them to be plenty wide. Haven't tried doing any serious activity in them but I could see how they may not be supportive enough for that. Still, the price difference is massive (they're ~$40 and Vivos are at ~$160+ right now I believe). So I'm sticking with them for now!
I’ve had mine for a year. I love them. I wear them for hikes, backpacking, biking, and just every day, almost. They held up amazingly well. Usually I destroy my shoes quickly, but these look almost like the day I got them. The cloth is much sturdier than it looks.
What about winter?
@@kdcbattlecreekthey're cold!! around 0-5 degree celsius my feet were freezing haha
U r supporting China..to bad
@@johnseaton4396 🤣 From what country is every electronic device you own? Ur supporting China too if that matters so much
I injured my plantar fascia while training for an ultra. I was wearing Hokas at the time my plantar really never healed for almost a year. I followed a strict PT plan and made PT training adjustments during the year but still I felt weak in my arch. I decided to re learn how to run and do so with zero drops. I'm now running 10 miles a week, no more arch fatigue after 3 months running with zero drop. It's a slow process and I'm still figuring out how to run more efficiently, but I feel great and added bonus. No more knee pain or inflammation after my run.
Thank you thank you for this video!!
You gotta try the Whitin trail runners. Not for running but for the gym, they fix almost all the problems you had with them. Much more supportive and study and the pull laces make them snug, but still the barefoot feel. And they’re the same price. Cons for me is just the sole kind of makes it look like a toe shoe even though it isn’t on the inside
Ill check them out when I get a chance. They kind of remind me of the Vibrams.
This is huge, their trail runners are another level and they have some more casual trailers, and some with straps that really get support around the ankle area and provide that anti-slip functionality.
What size did you get? I usually get a 11.5 but they dont have my size. So i'm wondering should i go 11 or a 12. I will be wearing socks.
Xero just recently had a big sale. I got my pair for $53 and my wife's pair for $27. We are both believers in the brand now after only owning them for about 2 weeks. Quality construction, good style, and the barefoot feel we were looking for are three of the reasons. I started with short runs and will be increasing distance as I strengthen my foot. It definitely changes the technique I use to run, so it's almost like learning how to run again. I like the feel of these shoes while lifting also: deadlifting feels more connected to the ground, kettlebell swings feel for stable, and planking was more comfortable (if that's possible, 😉). My coworker has Vivos and I like the looks of his better, but I'm a bit of a penny pincher so Xero Shoes fit my bill. I've actually order a couple more models of Xeros just before their sale ended, but they haven't arrived yet (hiking boots for my whole family). Hope my thoughts help someone!
Glad you like 'em ;)
How did you get the sale?
I love my Xeros as well. I'm usually not one to give two figs for this or that brand, but Xero is one of the few that I like a lot and happily support. Really hope they keep churning out the styles, preferably some better-looking ones (sorry Xero - I love some of the styles/colors -- HFS pewters look great, the Alpine is badass, and the Mika makes me wish I was a woman -- but a lot of them are simply gnarly to look at lol).
@@xeroshoeswow Xero themselves responded
Good. I can't imagine paying $150 for any of them. I can buy four pairs of Whitish for that much.
I found your observations right on. Whitin doesn't have much lateral support. It's kind of like wearing your slippers outside. I use them often. Returned Vivo for just the reason your stated. Xero is my go to for active shoes if all types
Just a quick update: the Whitins have a version called "Wide Knit" which have a wider toe box. I accidentally bought those and I am quite happy for this mistake, as they are really great and super comfortable even with the toe spacers on my feet. The "Wide Knit" variations look totally similar to those you bought, come in 6 colors and of course a wider toe box.
😮 Sure , I'll check it out when I get a chance
You mean wide size? I bought size 8 wide instead of 8. There are "wide" variations on sizes
@@LuisC7 Yep, probably there are different ways how the Whitin products are labeled on amazon. Here in Germany, you could find one category labelled "Unisex canvas minimalist barefoot" and another as "Unisex Wide Knit barefoot" - the latter one is the one I bought. By looking at the product photos, it is indeed wider than the other type.
@@oumarh.gassama8063 oh ok awesome. So you like your withins? Are they good? Found any issues? I bought mine from amazon usa so they take a bit to arrive. Didn't know they were found ona amazon DE. Probably for cheaper too!
@@LuisC7 Well, wearing my pairs (all black) since a month or so. They have a removable le insole which is not too thick and are actually comfortable, but I instantly removed those to have a true barefoot feeling. So far, all good. They are really comfortable even without the insoles, and the toe box is wide and comfortable too (I was wearing it even with toe spacers on, although I have fairly narrow feet). The laces are good an not slippery - if you tie them they stay as they should all day.
I just started my first barefoot shoes last month. With regular shoes, I usually feel an ache over 10000 steps, but with barefoot shoes, it's still comfortable over 15000 steps without any tight calf.
this is so in depth …, xero has to have a hand up, just based on availability..
great video
A note about knots: if the laces end up at 90° to each other (the loops pointing up and down), the knot will come loose on its own. If they're parallel, (they point left and right, like where they're coming from the eyelets), it will be more stable.
Has to do with the underlying knot geometry, so you might need to change how you tie your shoes slightly!
One of the coolest tricks I ever learned. When the loops are pointing up and down, the underlying knot you’ve made is essentially a granny knot. When the loops lay left to right, the underlying knot is a square knot - much more secure.
For me, the change was as simple as switching right-over-left to left-over-right on the beginning overhand knot. On a side note, I’m still amazed how quickly I adapted. Was tying my shoes the wrong way for 25 years, and basically overnight I completely changed and it stuck immediately. Never even accidentally tied them the wrong way again.
Well this is not always true…. It is less likely certainly for a square based knot to hold longer than a granny based knot…. But if the strings don’t have enough traction against each other and too little ply… they will ultimately slip loose regardless of how you tie them.
@@lizzaangelis3308When both the underlying knots and the upper *two* knots are all square knots, there is a *very* small chance of them coming undone - even the strings has no traction.
Switch to flat laces and problem solved.
great explanation, thank u!
I've actually gotten to where I hate wearing regular shoes. I actually have several pairs of the WHITN barefoot sock shoes. I also have a pair of the zero drop shoes from Fugu. Down the road I plan on getting both Xero and Vevobarefoot.
I would say that is a pretty typical response. I wouldn't say I hate wearing normal shoes, but I share the sentiment of slowly moving away from conventional shoes because of the restriction. BUt in doing so , now I run into the problem with not having as many options to pick from . But at least it is better now compared to where there was only vibram five finger...
If you are still having problems with laces coming undone, then look up the Berluti knot. Is a double knot originally developed for dress shoes but works on anything. It takes a little getting used to, but I've never had one come undone while walking, hiking, running or HITT exercises. It is a slipknot, it comes undone by pulling the loose ends.
Thanks!
I love Xero shoes. I tried 5 different pairs of Vivos and they were all way too long beyond my big toe and the only thing that seemed to change with the sizing differences was the width. I just recieved my first pair of Splay shoes and found they run a bit small but now that I have the size right, They feel pretty good.
I'm really enjoying the vivo leather shoe/boot models they have.
My issue with Whitin is that they are not truly zero drop unless you remove the insole. After removing it the bottom of the show deteriorates quickly.
So far I like my Xero Shoes but my ultimate fav is the Merrell Vapor Glove. The Merrell has the thinnest sole and is the longest lasting and most durable.
The Vivobarefoot shoes are extremely high quality. I’m at almost a year on one pair and I walk and run in them ALOT.
By contrast I tried a pair of Whitins that fell apart and wore through the bottom in about a month and a half under similar usage as the Vivobarefoot.
Lesson: you get what you pay for.
I agree, I've had some vivos for few years now, and just want to beat them and wear them out (so I can throw them away and get some of the cool new models) but I just can't. Can't seem to be able to wear the sole out, the stitching is holding up.. they just keep going. The lesson for me is just to go and invest into models that I really like cause they will last a long time and will keep making me happy daily
Yeah, Whitins are basically slippers. Casual wear only. They are great for airport travel or for throwing them into some luggage as an extra pair of shoes because they pack flat.
Just bought my first pair of barefoot shoes (Zaqq for everyday shoes though I am looking at the Xero 360 for trainers down the road) and I'm really excited. I already walk barefoot as much as I can (I'm the 8 on your scale) and can't wait to stop destroying my feet with modern shoes!
For indoor sports like badminton, volleyball, table tennis etc I can only recommend the xero 360 shoes. They give a lot of lateral support which you absolutely need without feeling too restrictive. I was even surprised by their great durability.
badminton has it's own type of shoes too. Not sure if these shoes will hold up well in sudden movements
I use Vibram 5 fingers (training style). Great in the gym and good for runs and trail running (if it's not slick). They are great, but wore holes in the 2nd toe on both shoes after only a few months. Some shoe goo and a dime over the hole helped them last a couple of years. Now I'm shopping again because I have a hole on the ball of the foot.
Vivo Bare looks interesting for running. I love my V Trains so maybe I might keep those old ones for lifting
Starting wearing the the whitin ones almost a year an ago and loved them. Decided to finally upgrade to the vivo’s and my feet so hurt so incredibly bad even after wearing them after a month
I've been using Xero shoes for a few years. I really like the Prio for everyday wear and running, the mesa trail for trail running/yardwork, and also have the waterproof boots for winter.
I've had my Xero Prios for about a year and half and use them almost daily for jogging.
I was JUST looking at the waterproof boot!! Lol How do you like yours?
Did you have to size up or did you order the exact same size as your Prios?
Yeah I want to know about the winter boots too, is that what you mean?
@@rebeccamueller8790 They have some now that look like rain boots, all rubber boots, to keep feet dry during the rain.
Those are the ones I was interested in... But I haven't bought them yet...
Was wondering if I should size up or down... 🤔🤔
Have you played any spots in them? Doesn't have to be for a team, just for fun
The suggestion for sizing up on the Xero shoes is specifically for that model. On the website they mention sizing suggestions per model.
Correct
I couldn't find any Vivo shoes that fit my feet comfortably. I love most of the Xero shoes, but there are only a couple of models that I can wear all day so sometimes I rotate my shoes at lunch time. I found that the Whitin are the thinnest and lightest of the three, and I think this is the reason why I can wear them 12+ hours without foot pain. However they provide almost no protection and I can't walk on gravel or sharp objects. They're truly the closest thing to being barefoot. With the Xero Shoes I can only do 12+ hours on the Xero Aptos and Xero Prio All Day, and both of those models do protect my feet from sharp objects.
I was told after knee surgery that I wouldn't be able to wear minimalist shoes anymore, but it turned out to be the opposite. I wear minimalist shoes about 90-95% of the time now and I don't have any foot pain. Lifting weights barefoot and spending more time in barefoot shoes has eliminated my arch pains.
Strength and function go hand in hand
I go bare foot when I can, but during my weekday I can’t. After a day of school/work my toes and upper feet are sore and painful. Usually my knees hips and lower back are the same. However when I’m at home doing house work and farm work barefoot, I have no pain at all. Thanks to this video and similar ones, I think I’m going to invest in a pair of vivos.
I’ve put arch supports in my vivo and it worked well
I bought a pair of Xero Forza trainers and I wear them to play basketball. I've been wearing minimal shoes for for 15+ years though, so my feet, ankles and knees are exceptionally strong and I'm not worried about any additional injury risk playing hoops.
I’ve already ordered some Whitin shoes. I used to run barefoot. I feel that you get some type of memory blood for this. After a couple years of not going barefoot, you can get back into it pretty easily. You won’t get calluses or blisters. You just have a wholeness that works. That’s why Whitin might be better for me. I also like my Lems which tend to gush the foot more because of the narrow heal compared to the expanded toe box. While this may not be entirely natural, it helps in the overall sense of balance.
I learned forefoot running on whitin shoes. Now I can use their road trainers
I've put a lot of miles running in Whitin shoes and they are fine. I've even done a few obstacle runs in them. They're my favorite of the three. I like the others, but Whitin fits my feet best.
Michael, see the extra hole for the laces on top of those vivos? Try and use them so that on the second last eyelet the lace goes under then straight over
the last eyelet on the same side, do this with the other side and now you can continuously thread the laces over and over the heel lock so you don't have to actually tie the laces.
I got the vivobarefoot primus lite 3. They were a bit oversized at first but I feel like they gave my feet a lot of freedom to widen.
Great review. Can you do one on what shoes to wear for metatarsalgia. I have heard so many conflicting reports. I would like to wear the bearfoot but I am not sure.
Switched to Xero shoes about a year and a half ago and many problems I had have now gone away. Feet pain, lower back pain, bad posture, all gone soon after switching.
I would love those for just sitting at a desk. I have to walk the halls more than desk work though.
I have a couple pair of Zeros and I have owned a pair of Vivos. The Zeros, I love, and use almost 3 different ones every week. I do not have the whitin, to compare them. I love my zeros!
Going with the Xero (I usually wear Altras)
I've been wearing Vivos as volleyball shoes for a few months now, and I'm very happy. Definitely the best of the barefoot shoes I've worn. I started with Ballop, and they were okay, but didn't last long. Then Tadeevo, which had absolutely no traction on wooden floors. Finally, the Vivo, which I am still using.
hey bro , I am volleyball player too, what about feeling right now when u wear barefoot ? It that comfortable for u play ? Cuz i think wear barefoot that will suffered from the impact of landing😂😂
@@rudyjames1802 I haven't had any issues from jumping at all, and I definitely find them very comfortable to play in.
@@malcolm_in_the_middle okay
Appreciate it
Do you prefer vivo over Xero?
I have LEMS Primal 2s. Really like them.
I bought xero shoes because someone had mention it help their arch pain and ankle stability. I’ve had them for two years and my arches are higher and my ankles are stronger. So In my experience they do strengthen the feet.
Hi Dr Tang thank you for the reviews. I also have all the of those brands and there's another brand that is be so interested to see what you think about. Tadeevo. The other three just don't even come close to this comfortable barefoot feeling but no one uses them.
I havent heard or tried them before, I will put that on the list!
I used the Vibram 5 finger shoes several years ago, I really enjoyed them for running in the city. There is a difference between this type of shoe and the ones listed. When trying the shoes like the ones in this video, I still felt like I was wearing a shoe, whereas when I wore the 5 fingers, I felt barefoot. I think my balance was better and my legs felt stronger. One downside to the 5f shoes is that they are very particular to size, I have one of those more sloping feet where my little toe is shorter than my big toe, so I had to try several different sizes before I found one that worked. (also, if you wear them regularly you will get to know all about the 5 finger funk, they start to smell terrible, and there's not a whole lot that can be done about it. I got away from them because I joined the army and Uncle Sam told me what I was going to put on my feet. I've been out for a while now and have been wanting to get back into them, I liked my 5 fingers, but I was always worried about snagging and ripping my pinky toe in a rock or root out on a trail. I recently saw some 3 toe shoes that break up your big toe, middle two toes and outer toes so you end up with ninja turtle feet. These seemed like a good compromise for someone looking for the full minimalist experience while still getting some extra protection.
Perhaps try some toe socks to address the smell
What are the 3-toe shoes you mention called? Interested in looking at them
@@timothylee6023 Body Glove 3T
I also prefer my 5 fingers to the other minimalist shoes but they no longer make the 5 fingers I know fit. No store near me carries them and i have had to return a few (and lost money on a pair I couldn't return) trying to find a new style to fit. I'm trying some xero shoes but finding a pair for running (besides the diy sandal) I'm still struggling with fit. My foot pronates and in 5 fingers that doesn't affect fit. In minimalist shoes the wider toe box gives room for my foot to rotate somewhat inside the shoe and make them rub when I run. I'm thinking of trying the hfs when xero has their sale.
Thanks for the review. I was thinking of trying some Whitins but since you said they are more narrow than Xero's I probably won't. I have a number of Xero shoes and they are all too narrow for me.
Perhaps try the vivos
I have 2 pairs of Whitin, one for outdoor and one for exercise indoors.
just got a pair of whitin trail cross trainers. I have a pair of asics that I use for playing pickleball and feel very comfortable in. Played with the whitins and found them very comfortable and stable for my feet. Not sure if I could wear them all the time but switching up regularly seems to be a good option the gum sole also seems to give a good grip.
Don’t go straight into wearing these if you have problems with your feet/ankle complex. Strengthen intrinsically and extrinsically, first, and then you can start wearing them in short bursts 30 -90 minutes at a time. Good info tho! Nice to hear from a “non-running guy”. Carson K., PTA
@ 2:37 re: toebox, look how much straighter the Vivos are from the ball joint to the end of the big toe. The others seem to still have some taper, which would still interfere with natural alignment.
I definitely want whitin for price point BUT all day wide shoe! Vivo I have a life changer for my feet
I have an inexpensive pair from Amazon (not Whitin) as a substitute for slipper socks. I love the minimalist feel. I wear them for chi gong practice, and just around the house. I wish I could wear for walking, but I had perineal tendinitis a year ago that took months to recover from, so I wear more supportive shoes for that. I also have flat feet.
I've just bought a cheapo pair from Amazon to wear instead of my slippers during winter (I walk around barefoot indoors when the weather is warmer)
the thing that makes whitin nice is the price on sale there shoes go down to 42 bucks for a pair. Xero can be quite expensive with how often they wear out the soles last but build quaility can be lacking for the price tag of the shoe
The whitins are great. The wide model is amazing.
I've had Whitin for 6 months so far and they're fine. AND $38.
Re the laces, in your video the bow points to the toe rather than the side which means you are tying the bow the wrong way. Start with left lace over right not right over left. The bow will point to the side and your laces are much less likely to come undone. Bizarre I know but it took me fifty years to learn how to tie my laces properly. There are technical knot reasons why this works. Hope this helps.
You could improve the supportive feel of any of these shoes by swapping the non stretchy laces for elastic ones that you set & forget
I love my Freet flex. I use them for parkour and they are fantastic. I got some xero prios but i hardly wear them as they dont feel as bearfooty
To each their own!
I have those Xero shoes, amazing for my feet.
Thanks for the video Doc, this is just want I needed! Wanted to try the Whitin shoes out but did not see many comparisons with them and other brands, especially the Vivos. Now just need to figure out if I’m a 10 wide or 11 wide 😅 (usually wear 11s on regular shoes because my foot is 10.5 4EW). Also, I didn’t see a link for the Whitin model you tested. Could you please provide them? Thanks again!
for the whitins
geni.us/G90OO
3:30: Okay....based on this 'mug' shot(somehow that isn't the right term here) maybe my own x-wide feet are not as weird looking as I thought they were. Except for my extraterrestrial Left foot with the third toe not matching anything anywhere near the chart. Omg. So many decades of shoe purchase despair explained in one video. Life is definitely not fair. 😢
The whitin were too narrow for me, and I really like the prio, but wish the toe box was wider. Will try the vivo at some point too. My wildlings are my favorite walking around shoe, but they’re so minimal that I can’t run in them yet
Amazon does now stock some Whitin models that appear to be wider --- again, it's just from what I can see on the site, so I can't accurately say how wide they are-- but they look wider than all of the shoes tested her, including the Vivos.
I run and used the Xero Prios, they say fits to size and I got a 9 ran 4,000 miles in them but the more I was barefoot and no longer wearing "death coffins" my feet got wider and the Xeros were not big enough. My 2nd pair of Prios I went with a 9 1/2 they have 1500 miles on them they feel better but I can feel that I will need a wider shoe still. I also got the Xero Ztrek sandal and do run in them and they give me more width. Since the Vivos are not much wider than the Xeros I am not willing to spend 150 to find out and the sole is not as durable as the Xero from all I have heard. I like being able get long life from my shoes.
I live in NJ and go barefoot 90% of the time from April-Nov. When I do wear shoes I wear the Xero shoes without socks (after trying numerous brands including the Vibram Five Fingers which I also like). I started about 20 years ago with the Nike Free line (a barefoot running shoe designed to be worn barefoot but was discontinued a while ago). During the warm months I wear the Xero sneaker when doing long walks (9-10 miles) on the boardwalk (though I do the last 3 miles of the walk barefoot...the spacing of the boards tends to pinch my heels). I wear the Xero's throughout the winter. Yes, they get wet easily but they also are not uncomfortable or heavy when worn wet (like a traditional sneaker would be) and they dry out quickly. I used to run several times a week and when wearing traditional sneakers I was a heel striker and suffered from shin splints. When I switched to barefoot shoes I tended to strike with my midfoot or forefoot and the shin splints cleared up. I'm unable to run now due to a torn meniscus which will flare up after running just a short distance (no problems when walking though). I also lift weights and since I can't work out barefoot at the gym due to their misunderstanding of health codes I wear the Xeros or Five Fingers and never have any issues with stability. After decades of going barefoot and wearing these minimalist shoes I cannot stand the tight fit and lack of flexibility of standard sneakers. My feet and ankles are strong enough that I don't even bother tightening the laces on my Xeros.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Although I have not been going with the barefoot route as long as you have, I have been getting similar experiences with other shoes as well. I suppose it is the natural progression, which the logic makes sense to why that would be
Do you buy your size or size up for Xero's? And, what sort of sock do you wear with them?
Ordered some Whitin 12.5 wides, I hope they're big enough. 🙏
Can you review merrel shoes? They are considered barefoot but have insane amounts of arch support. is that good or bad?
5:00 I would suggest using a better knot. The Double Slip Knot (1219 in Ashley's Book of Knots) or the Berluti Knot are both good options. I use the first myself & the tail being pulled is the only way I've had it come undone accidentally.
Since we are talking about products & reviews of them what can you say about furniture for back pain? I didn't see anything in your prior videos when I searched your channel.
Will check out the knots for the future.
I am not sure what you mean about "furniture" for back pain? Are you reffering to something like a massage chair or adjustable table?
Thank you for your suggestions.
Xeros for running but the Barefoot are equally good. Xero’s just fit me a little better and I think they offer a bit more support.
Have you looked into the Zaqq brand? It's basically the German version of Vivobarefoot. Curious what your opinion is on them.
I started with Xero Shoes and then switched to Lems... Lems are easily the nicest shoes I've ever owned, and I mean ALL shoes not just barefoot shoes, Lems are just top notch.
I have the Whitins and I just came from a 6km run, they're so cool. and 1/4 the price of the Zero Shoes. Maybe someday I get them Vivo or Zero. My Whitins are not loose at all, and I do have a small feet. I dont even lace them up anymore, just stretch and put, they're tight. 6km easily, I've never tried them on the long run 10km+
Update: I bought the Xero HFS New on ebay at a bargain. The difference with Withins. Wider and comfortable wide foot makes a good difference, even when the Whitins fit perfectly too, wit a little minimal 1 or maybe even 2mm midfoot arch sole, perhaps it can be taken off if desired.
My girl asked me to wear Whitins while going out some place cause she likes how they look, unexpected.
I worked 16-18hr days 7 days a week all through covid cleaning and disinfecting for my commercial/industrial cleaning business…I tried multiple types of shoe that did nothing but kill my back legs and feet which then spread to neck/shoulder since I found the whitin brand no more pain and they don’t strip my feet from sweating or otherwise! They are very useful for continuous slip free movement, agility and breathability. Since going barefoot I have no pain and now that things have calmed down to a 10-12hr shift 5 days a week I am running on treadmill with whitin…couldn’t do that before…they are very durable I throw one pair in the washer while I wear a second pair…best shoes I have ever worn and when available I go barefoot completely. A whole new world after years of willpower through chronic pain…barefoot is the way for me and Whitin is my brand!
The xero shoes have the Huaracha style lace straps. forgot to
mention that
Thanks for the basketball part! It's a barefoot / minimalist void that needs to be filled. I was considering Whitins and the Xeros for hoops, since I heard 1 or 2 people play in certain Xeros, but maybe I won't now. There's a brand called Joomra which has a shoe almost exactly like those Whitins, but if you look at the back it's a totally different strucure. There's a review video on here where the guy says it feels more like a regular shoe structure in the back while still maintaining the wider toe box, just FYI. I may try those. Thanks for thise review. Super helpful!
Thanks for feedback! Maybe ill take a look at the Joomra when I get a chance.
I use xero 360 for basketball. No problems. It took me about 3 months of training in barefoot shoes to get comfortable with them. Now basketball shoes feel weird haha.
@@harrysidhu4027 To each their own I guess.
@@harrysidhu4027 Thanks for your input. Does it feel restrictive going full court and what's your take about those on outdoor courts? Feel free to share what you did to transition in 3 months. And yes I know what you mean about not being able to go back to hoops shoes.
@@ForTeamTang Hey so I got the Joomras and they legit feel like a hidden gem in terms of full sneaker feel and support with the barefoot shoe benefits. For reference of which exact ones just type in Joomras vs Whitin. The channel is Total Therapy Solution. He has a few videos on them. I tested mine twice now on outdoor courts. It's really grippy traction and is really soft so not sure about outsole durability but after my two sessions no wear down areas at all.
Their toe box is very wide. I'm a size 10.5, got their 10 wide. I still had an inch or two of toe space so could've done 9 wide but I like slight toe room from the front of the shoe. Played one on one, felt no restrictions in basketball movements compared to my some of my cross trainer barefoot shoes. Actually felt more free in them. As for cushioning it's really soft but why it works is because you sink right to ground for excellent ground feel, but with a hint more cushioning feel you would want on concrete. I took my insole out for less cushioning but it's okay with it in. It's not the hottest looking thing lol, but I think they accidentally made a good basketball tennis shoe. Lateral support was great and they have a runners knot for extra lockdown. Any other questions let me know. Or if you found something else that works feel free to share. Thanks!
Can you suggest how to heal a swollen area (tailors bunion?) what shoe might be a good fit while this is an issue, thx
The vivos can also be resoled which I think is plus
When going over the laces, you didn't mention for the Xero's the huarache strap. When you tighten the laces, the straps around the foot and back of the heal also snug up around the foot.
Honestly, I didnt see that much of a difference when i was using them
Experimenting the xeros now. But comfort wise for long walks, I still think the old school reebok dmx was the best. It's like walking on clouds. Does that mean the "comfort" softness was bad for me?
I do have that exact pair of Whitins and concur with Dr. Tang. Very comfortable (without the insole for me) and the subdued styling is great for casual occasions but the fabric upper offers next to no support so the foot tends to shift and swim when it's really planted under load. Not recommended for high performance athletics.
I have two pairs of Whitins - the first pair I bought ~2 years ago and they are trail runners, and the other pair I bout last year that are essentially the same as what Dr. Tang reviewed. Hands down, the trail shoes are the most comfortable pair of shoes I own. They fold well to my foot and required no break in period. The newer casual shoes I got from Whitin are pretty bad and I agree with all of the Dr's thoughts on them.
Great review Doc, many thanks. Can you please explain why these shoes (Vivo and Xero) are so expensive? Are these supposed to be minimalist aka easy design with minimal materials? I would love to have many pair of these shoes but they are soooo expensive.
If I had to guess, I would guess it is because "they can". There really isn't a specific technology or material that is that much of a differential. For example, sunglasses can cost up to hundreds of dollars, but the reality is that basic sunglasses are more or less the same. The power of branding
Hello! Well vivo is from Europe and they used recycled materials so that makes them mor expensive. It takes a lot more travel to get the shoes over seas. But honestly I can’t give you a one solution answer