The Aldrin Cycler: A Conveyor Belt To Mars | Answers With Joe
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As we turn our eyes to Mars, one concept is starting to get more attention - the Mars Cycler. A ship that remains in permanent orbit between Mars and Earth, providing a constant exchange between the two planets and using only gravity assists as fuel. And it was devised by the one and only Buzz Aldrin.
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Michael Collins is ALWAYS being overlooked. Thank you Michael, for everything. Rest in Peace
Literally the most isolated human being in history
Not in Ireland, we'll always remember him.
I wonder if Michael Collins was not the braviest of them all. He knew he won't touch the Moon himself, so nobody will be asking him 'how it is on the Moon?' However what he knew was that Neil and Buzz are supposed to launch from the Moon using engine that was small solid booster. Those can be fired only once and cannot be stopped later. For that reason those engines were not tested, as starting them means using them up. And there was no secondary backup one. If that engine failed, Michael was supposed to tell them "We are so proud of you guys" and head back to Earth alone, as nothing else he could do. Living the rest of his life remembering this.
Yet he overlooked the creator of the Lunar Orbit Rendezvous flight regime, John Houbolt, and gave that title to buzz.
Michael?
My favorite thing about Buzz was the time he punched that "moon landing was faked" guy in the face.
Only appropriate response.
Dude didn't risk his life and make arguably the greatest human achievement in our history thus far, just to get called a faker.
@@ElectronFieldPulse Well- there would be quite a few as appropriate responses than to punch him in the face, but they would become more and more illegal as I'd list them, I guess.
And I normally am close to being a pacifist...
@@alexandergaus493 - I think it makes people mad because of the insane amount of effort and sacrifice which Americans resent being called fake. He is lucky most people aren't violent. I can't see a judge coming down on someone like Buzz either, I would say not guilty in a second, lol
@@ElectronFieldPulse That's basically what the judge DID say. Buzz and his wife were getting out of a car. The creep got right up in Buzz's face. Buzz tried to step around him and the creep began to berate him and Buzz finally got sick of it and decked him.
Fun fact. Michael Collins wasn't bothered that the other astronauts seemed to be more famous than him. He said that if I failed in my calculations and failed to bring them back to the command module thus failing to bring them all home. Then I would have become more famous for obviously all the wrong reasons.🚀
The big advantage of a cycler, apart from artificial gravity, is the extra internal room and radiation shielding that is possible. People could live on one permanently, becoming the first "spacers".
“It could happen!” God you had me cracking up
Yeah, I really got that one! (for those who don't know, Joe has been aspiring to make his own movie. I think he is really successful in his own way, even if his dream from when he was younger has not really come to fruition, yet).
RUclipsrs making movies, that can happen. The conveyor belt to Mars, that can't really happen.
As an Australian I loved your description of space.
Only it's not true, we have more bugs then actual animals
@@nymphoflove lol
Try not to say "Hello there!" out loud around there... You guys got some nasty spiders over there. 😬
Yeah, we actually have a song about our special qualities :)
Scared Weird Little Guys - Come to Australia
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They do omit a lot of our other charming wildlife (Irukanji, the poison spur of the cute male platypus, the dozens of other poisonous snakes, paralysis tick, Murray River encephalitis, Ross River fever, crocodiles, and more). Nevertheless, it is probably the safest place on Earth because our humans are pretty friendly.
Your version of the "daddy longlegs" spider is ridiculous...
And why in the world are all the koala bears infected with an STD!?
That sigh was perhaps the most Joe thing i've ever seen. This was cool new info Joe. I saw the movie stowaway, but had no idea about the history behind it.
Based on a sad short story.
Hey plasma channel great content!
@@FIRE_STORMFOX-3692 Thank you
@@PlasmaChannel you're welcome but i think that everyone agrees, I'm looking forward to your next video whit anticipation and have a great day man, stay safe!
Australia without air. True fact!
From Aus here, just held my breathe as long as I could, can confirm space-like affects
Nah, more chance of finding life on Mars. Same pics though. Let me assure you though, there is no appeal in going to any Mars-like place.
So, space has no air and no culture? Iain M. Banks would be disappointed. At least there will be oceans of crap beer.
more people die from guns in usa in one day than 100 years of animals in australia
So . . . “A 5 year mission, to explore space, the final frontier, to boldly go where no one has gone before?” What bizarre concept. It’ll never catch on . . . 😉✌️
Buzz Aldrin is one of my heroes. I got to meet him, briefly, when he came to Salt Lake City a few years ago. What a guy.
I would have thought the same, until Elon Musk revealed that most of the Apollo astronauts (including Buzz Aldrin) were against the Commercial Crew program and believed SpaceX would fail. I hate them all now.
@@ghostthough7874 Fair enough. Thankfully people can have different opinions than me and I still appreciate their contributions to science and the world. :)
Aldrin, the last of the first! But everyone seems to forget about mr Collins,. r.i.p. Mr Collins ,
Fun fact: I directed a feature film several years ago. It was pretty terrible, but it did get a distribution deal. It ended up in the DVDs under $5 bin at Walmart, got some buys on basic cable, and 3.5 stars while it was on Netflix so it apparently was appreciated by "some". However, I've never seen a single penny from it... I did learn a very important lesson in business though, so that's good I guess. Anyway, never give up on your dreams, just be careful who you collaborate with on said dreams! I believe in you.
ok jesus
What movie was it?
Jesus has been turning too much water into wine again, he starts rambling about some movie the Roman's stole the proceeds from when he's drunk.
Fannie Mae took over the entire midwest repossessing forclosed homes and they used the system I designed and built to do it. They then refused to pay my client a few million after they started developing their own system based on my designs. My client sued and eventually got their money back after a few years. I did not and am still in debt. My client was the contractor organizing everything. Fannie Mae is just the rich assholes that took credit for everything.
@@octoscorpion2506 "National Lampoon's Bethlehem Adventure."
R.I.P. Michael Collins. Far too often overlooked in his Apollo contribution, while already contributing massively to Irish independence. Truly a Great Man.
The Mars ship in the Martian is also based on the cycler's idea. It even also use ion-drive.
Yeah Hermes. It made a lot of sense because it has all these living quarters and storage capacity that you wouldn't want to launch 5 times. Though it seems they only used the cycle method just to get Watney. They otherwise parked it in orbit.
Sideway fact: there were a soaceship spotted in the Expanse tv show, which was called "Mark Watney" =)
It's not a cycler though? Slows down into orbits around earth and Mars.
Nope, they worked around it via invention of "Epstien Drive", just really efficient and fast drive, not a warp one - they try to be as grounded, as possible.
You can give the show a chance - in fact, it's a first show I've seen, where fire in vaccum is spherical, they also make actors hairstyle "higher", cause, you know, no gravity.
But they also not overutilizing weghtlessness, as they're imitating gravity while accelerating/ decelerating, and because of that, compartments in the ship are perpendicular to the ship body
Ummm is this the Gandalf I know ?
If It is you know who I am
When you said politician proof I thought there was gonna be a secret eject button that will trigger while in space whenever a politician was on board
More space junk.
It's not a secret...that's a feature. :P
Same as fool proof.
in 2025 all houses will be politician proof, just vote for me and it will be true
This cracked me up
When I was a kid, I always to thought that moon landing happened a very long time ago. But as I grew up I learned that all these great people are still alive. Rest in Peace Michael Collins.
Greatest quote of the 21th century “Space is like Australia without air - Joe Scott” this one is outlasting our lifespans! Love it!!!
Shoutout to Dingus Erectus, one of the greatest members of this YT channel
Truly one who stands firmly, head-sure, and unbowed! Clothed only in Mack Weldon... ah still got it
Is he a relative of Biggus Dickus?
@@evinbraley they were in the army together
@@Alb-Patriot Their training officer was Sergeant Robin Cocksure.
My all time favorite Buzz moment was when he punched Bart Sibrel in the mouth. A classic.
True, it touched a sensible cord.
At the age of 72. Outstanding!
Even though I think the whole Mars colony concept is pure fantasy, I love Buzz for refusing to be disrespected by that guy.
@@MrScrofulous I would disagree that the concept is pure fantasy, and instead suggest that it's hopelessly impractical. I think if these billionaires keep ramping things up and dumping the money into it, a colony is totally feasible. The question is, why? I can think of so many scenarios, and none of them end well. The argument about colonizing Mars because of global warming would be hilarious if it wasn't so frightening to hear people with so much power demonstrating such a severe lack of the basics of what they're trying to do. If you can't solve global warming, you will never "Terraform" a planet. "Terraform" the Sahara first, if not just to prove the concept. Anyway, with the current technology, the value of any resources that could be acquired on Mars would pale in comparison to the cost of getting them. It's a pipe dream that has a frighteningly high likelihood of being prematurely attempted in our lifetime with what will likely be catastrophic results.
@@neonsashimidream1075 yeah the idea that we cant fix our environment but we can create an entirely new one on a different planet is such a misunderstanding of our actual problem and the logistics of everything.
Yes, you need most of the fuel to leave earth, but when using a cycler there is much less mass (only the taxi) that needs to leave earth. So you will save a lot of fuel.
hate to be a nitpicker but the proper term should be weight is much less, while the mass is decreased it would be more impactful to say weight, but yes you're correct
@@alloftheabove8522 weight = mass x gravity, decrease the mass, and the weight decreases too.
And it's payload, which is usually the heaviest part of a freight transport.
@@pablopereyra7126yeah but we're talking about wanting to move mass. We can't just decrease the mass we move if the whole goal is to move more mass easier.
"Space is just Australia without air" - Joe Scott
Little known fact: there is no air in Australia, only spider and snake venom.
lol
@@realhorrorshow8547 and the smell of fear ..... human fear lol
The biggest benefit for the cycler would be probably that it could provide bigger living quarters because the mass and volume could be put in space with multiple starships and only the payload needed to be accelerated every time.
yeah it's like the main point, I wonder why Joe did not mention that. A cycler could literally be a huge O'Neil cilinder, yet you will only need as much fuel for a martian mission as you would need to send only the crew.
Imagine what tremendous amount of fuel it would take to send such a cilinder on a trip to Mars using classic transfer orbits.
Yep.. two things Starship needs!
Spin gravity and more internal space for more cargo and crew!
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And getting it into the proper orbit could take as long as it needs to, and only once that's accomplished take on passengers.
@@D_Rogers I think the Starship is in its first generation and once Musk starts putting people on Mars he’s going to start creating cyclers to have a constant migration of people.
@@KRYMauL Yes, I think having a few cyclers running would make Mars seem less isolated too. The trip there and back would be more comfortable and therefore open to a bigger variety of people.
Starships would still be needed to get people to and from the cyclers.
Building cyclers shouldn't be any more difficult than building a space station, it's just docking half a dozen custom starships together to form an axle and spokes. Then dock some colony ships to that... :)
Joe: "throw in some mining colonies on Ceres and we're basically living in 'The Expanse'."
Me (having just seen the fate of Julie Mau and Eros an hour ago): "Um..."
Fun Fact: Buzz figured when returning from the surface of the Moon that they had enough fuel to do a faster rendezvous with the Command Module than was planned. He executed this plan without talking at all with mission control about it. He figured that had he not been the one doing it, Mission Control would have just asked him if it would work, so he decided to just do it without mentioning the plan to them.
And he didn't fly again .... coincidence?
@@PMA65537 Neither did the other two.
@@PMA65537 What brand of aluminum foil did you make your cute little hat out of? Did you, and your mommy make it together in her basement? Lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@PMA65537 I didn't think anyone has gone to the moon twice?
@@shamicentertainment1262 Command module pilots went down on later missions, so only one landing each. And James Lovell went on Apollo 8 and 13.
Mars truly is smaller then earth, it fits in joe's office studio room!
It will happen Joe. That's the mind frame you want. Love your work
Some guy named Joe Scott from Dallas making science vids on RUclips? It could happen. It could happen. It could happen. ❤️
Naaah 🙄😂
The best part of Monday has returned ❤
" Space is just Austrailia without air". One of the great lines I've ever heard. Great line Joe. Cost is a relative construct. Make our fuels on the moon and everything changes.
oh my god the exitment i felt when i saw the notification pop up is awsome love your shit joe
You live his shit. Now THAT is love. 😁
You could always detach the drainage pipe from his house and drain his shit off - if you love it that much... 🤣
Your sponsorship slot was well played and entertaining. I think more creators should go for this style as some are very dry. Keep up the great work,
First of all: Great to have you back. Hope the algorithm won’t be too furious. One thing you got wrong is the fuel savings: You actually never save fuel by using a cycler. So there’s no reason to use it for cargo.
Instead the main reason to use a cycler is to have a bigger space for the crew.
You know Joe, for you I really believe "it could happen" you have an amazing way of breaking things down to make sense if literally ANYTHING so that everyone can understand it. You do it in a way that doesn't "dumb" it down but gives it a different perspective that others don't think to do and certainly don't do it as well. I really think you don't grasp how much talent you really have, nor how unique your perspective on things is. You just have to go for it!
To this day my greatest regret is skipping Buzz Aldrin's speech on a conference in Brazil, which I was already on site 🥲
Oh that sucks man
I've got a story like that about Steve Irwin 😭
Yeah, that's a big one.
oof, that must be equal if not more painful than being in rio back in 85 and not seeing queen playing on rock in rio
@@matheussanthiago9685 like being in Moscow in 91 and saying Metallica? Nah I'll catch 'em next time.
You remind me of Charlie Day. Does that help?
Charlie has a much better understanding of the way the world works though. If you disagree, then I suggest you watch the episode 'charlie work'
Joe if you read this I'm totally joking obviously lol
oh my god I've been thinking the exact same thing since I've been subbed to this channel.
DAYMAN!!!!!!
@@seionne85 He is the day man of course
@@B1ankeys I prefer night man 😘
One of my best memories of going to grad-school at Purdue is walking out of my office one day and seeing Buzz Aldrin walking down the corridor. Once I calmed myself down I was able to get a picture with him.
I like that Buzz offered to go to Mars by himself, one way. Balls of steel.
Not only is Aldrin all that, he is also an extremely sharp dressed man 9:42
That is the most space-timely dapper gettup I have ever laid my eyes upon.
Awful taste but great execution
@@gormauslander Great taste, great execution. I'm sure it was for a specific setting where it fit well.
@@Megalomaniakaal the tie clashes with the suit colors. The setting it fits in is a laundry heap
@@gormauslander I ignore the tie in that equation because it's 'murica. Basically mandatory.
To me, the big advantage is having a much larger transit vehicle for the long trip. It still has to be accelerated initially, but then it is available for use. Cargo doesn't care about having a larger living space or spin-induced gravity. If the shorter transit times for direct transfer orbit are desirable enough to put up with less space, then cyclers aren't going to happen. Personally, I think the advantages of more space and other luxuries (that are only justified by accelerating once and then using over and over again) make cyclers attractive. I had not considered the benefit of putting the higher initial investment in place that then has a fairly long useful life.
That's a good point, you could see it like first class vs economy travel. If you want to get to Mars on the cheap, take the cycler. Want to get there faster and can pay for it? Direct route.
@@joescott I'm sorry it's not like that
It's important to mention that the lunar rendezvous concept was crazy because A RENDEZVOUS HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. They didn't even think it was possible! I study the topic and formation flying in space is COMPLICATED, you can't just thrust towards the target and expect to get closer, actually, sometimes doing that makes you go FARTHER AWAY! Buzz only knew it was possible because he literally did his phd dissertation on rendezvous.
"What if we like (hits spliff*) get like Maaars, to come to Earth maan..."
glad to see you back joe ! :)
RIP, Michael Collins. Anyone reading this, if you haven't read Michael Collins book, Carrying the Fire, you should. Also, the Ron Howard documentary, In the Shadow of the Moon. Both are well worth the time.
I've heard the book is great, I need to find it. I'll check the movie. Thanks for the tip!
I have been a big proponent of this concept ever since I heard Aldrin explain it years ago. The best thing about it is that it sets up a permanent infrastructure in space; always available for whatever manned space mission we get around to funding.
So good to have you back! I never realized what a big role you played in my Monday routine untill you took the month off.
Thanks for the awesome content Joe!
See, the nice thing about SpaceX is that they're basically immune to the whims of politicians.
Musk is firmly attached to the government tit. It’s not getting cheaper. Payload managers are complaining how load costs are up and up. Your dreaming if you think the purse strings can’t be cut. We have options.
@@jonathanedwardgibson Both of you are off. SpaceX needs to get government contracts, but Starship is an order of magnitude cheaper.
@@gljames24 Right, SpaceX needs the government contracts, thus far, once Star Link is up and running, that's no longer true, but thus far, SpaceX needs the contracts, but is also the cheapest option, so as long as the government doesn't wanna waste money, they also need SpaceX.
A five year stint as a crew member would be maddening. Seeing the same few people everyday for five years. Not to imagine coming back to a world that more or less jumped five years forward without you there.
I think that idea of entering a bubble and then finding that everything has changed may well just be one of the most challenging things from a psychological standpoint. The idea that you could spend years going between...unless we get ftl comms, I can see people going a bit nuts.
I'm not very knowledgeable about these topics, but would the speeds of travel be fast enough for the pilots to effectively "time travel" and be gone longer than 5 years based on the perspective of we Earth-bound folk?
@@b0xf0x13 They would have to be moving REALLY fast for a noticeable difference in passage of time.
@@b0xf0x13 No, not that fast.
@@Louis-wp3fq gotcha. Ty!
I just can’t imagine bumbling around on the moon of earth and feeling so tiny out there in the void! Amazing
Mystery Guitar man, and that stop motion video were one of the first Videos that i remember loving on YT. I truly never know what i will learn with you Joe! thank you!
I watched "Stowaway," and felt like it was the beginning of a story vs a whole movie. I didn't hate it, but the ending left me unsatisfied.
Yep
How he got stuck in the wires and they had to unscrew the panel made me pass this movie
Yeah...It would have been more believable if he stowed away purposely.
I believe that the classic "Golden Age" science fiction short story "The Cold Equations" was the actual inspiration for the Netflix show/movie "Stowaway".
I'm so glad you're back. Great video Joe!
"Space is just Australia without air." LOL, so true!
My favorite part of Stowaway is that they play tense music like something dramatic is going to happen or go wrong and then nothing happens.
So the music isn't a spoiler?
yeah, I guess... it's just weird that there is tense music where usually something happens at the end. But in Stowaway, it doesn't.
@@revaaron An interesting idea. I wonder why they did that.
I still really enjoyed the movie. By the 3rd time it happened, I knew that nothing was going to happen.
My favourite part was when it ended
Thank you! Very exciting. First time learning of the Buzz Cycler Conveyor.
"it can happen, it could happen...." -
welcome back!
since i've known about it i've always thought the cycler was a viable concept. after watching your video i'm not so sure about it anymore
How did you comment 2 days ago? It came out 9 minutes ago.......tell me my future
It’s a viable concept for moving payloads in space. From a planet to space? Depends on the mission.
@@dicews patreon.
@@adamwest8711 oh ok thank you lol....I can barely afford to pay youtube so I dont get adds hahaha I wish I could support Joe. He makes some of my most favourite content. So thank you amon San for supporting him
Now I'm waiting on the Joe Scott Films.
Scott Manly got me to watch Stowaway, because he was a technical advisor on it with a tiny voice cameo as a mission control operator, and he did a video about how realistic it was.
Yeah, it was a pretty good movie! I liked it.
If you're reading this, I love you and I hope you're doing well 💗
Liar! But I appreciate the sentiment. Back atcha.
You too!
No, I'm doing an online intern ! 🤭
Hey Joe, I still want to see your Werewolf movie.
It could happen...
Comment made a day ago for video 20 minutes ago?
@@dankodnevic3222 patreon. Or RUclips member and I see member badge.
We need more werewolf movies. There's really not that many, and even less that are decent.
They just don't seem to get as much love as vampires do...
@@HoloFizz I remember liking Ginger Snaps and Dog Soldiers but I worry that nostalgia might be clouding my judgement.
@@adamwest8711 Thanks.
And now we need an Answers with Joe movie.
Just think of the cycler as an interplanetary space station. Each mission requires a cargo, living space between planets, mars landing and launch ship with living quarters and supplies, and earth return ship. What you bring back from Mars probably won't be too useful for between planets. But the living quarters could be reused as long as you repair bad parts and resupply consumables. Or just add another section of living quarters plus cargo each time in case you miss the rendezvous, and reuse older quarters or parts from the quarters and dispose.
"Viva La Dirt League" are RUclipsrs who just made a movie
Still shocks me to think that by the time I retire, I will know people who live on Mars. Go, Buzz! (And BTW, Mack Weldon's Airknit HDs are the best UW on Earth.)
Haha don't worry, you won't. You'll neither retire nor will people live on Mars.
@@dejayrezme8617 Buzz kill
Sorry, you won’t.
@@OG1813 Thanks Trump for ruining oranges!
@@dejayrezme8617 i think you're right about "retirement", though many forms of retirement abound in today's world if the interminable hustle
Don’t ever change who you are. We love watching your videos.
I did see the movie. Very cool. Thanks Joe. Welcome back❗
You missed your calling as a runway model.
Joe is too goodlookin for that.
I'm gonna pretend I didn't notice the ship at 4:24 wasnt a Kerbal Space Program screenshot
As a KSP fan with 1000's of hours playtime... I can confirm this!! ...also Scott Manley (who has a vid about this) used KSP to present the cycler concept for the film (Joe Penna - Mystery Guitar Man)!
Because the other ship is legit.... :D
Really interesting concepts, thanks very much for sharing all your research Joe.
My wife's grandmother dated Buzz in highschool and I'm assuming didn't know he landed on the moon because years and years later (and I can't remember the context) she said "I wonder what happened to that Buzzy fellow?" At least I think that's what she called him. Her son informed her that he landed on the moon and was a national hero, much to the chagrin of her husband.
That buzz looks like he is drunk half the time.! ruclips.net/video/2UCRkfmjkj4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/mPQi5tP4XKQ/видео.html
This is an excellent idea. Did a video on this a few months ago, and it was fascinating research. Thanks SO MUCH for the fantastic content, as always!!
im so glad youre back i really missed your videos
The Expanse was the first scifi series I've watched where I legitimately thought "this could by my future in 30 years." We're really only a couple breakthroughs away.
As ever, love every reference to the Expanse!
Thanks for another fine informational dive.
just saw it yesterday! loved it.
So happy your back!
Watched it about an hour ago. Enjoyed it. The vehicle looked pretty feasible and the science was also above par for such movies.
So glad to have you back 😊
Glad you are back Joe. Missed you!
Loved the love letter to Buzz Aldrin! Really interesting concepts as well. It is easy for the general population, to get overwhelmed with all that is required to become an interplanetary species. Videos like these, showing multiple possibilities, give hope and inspiration.
Just for the record my Thumbs up is for that smooth smooth segway.
Calling it a castle was a fantastic idea, and will result in a lot of really rad sounding sentences
Something similar happens today (except for covid-19). Goods are transported slowly and efficiently by ship while people are transported by air. Merchant ship fleets tend to operate like a conveyor belt. Excellent video and now I'm going to buy some Mack Weldons
wait... no "Good show ole chap" for Collins? I thought that was a Joe Scott tradition at this point
Cheers for the video mate! Regards from Cyprus and Scotland 😎👌
I AM SO going to watch the first movie you help make/ perform in!
Best idea I’ve heard yet!
It was Amazing! Watched it twice
I love these ideas, it makes me excited and proud for our future generations.
Concerning the argument at 10:10, "that cyclers aren't much more fuel efficient ..." I think for cargo this is true, but for crew, you can have the cycler contain a bunch of habitable volume. You could launch on something small, like a dragon capsule, which is not comfortable for 4 people to live in for more than a week, and dock with something as big or bigger than the ISS. In this case you'd only have to pay for the delta-v of the dragon capsule to match the speed of the cycler, and you'd effectively get the living space of the cycler for free.
Great segue to the sponsor! Thanks for the interesting vlog!
Not to that it compares to Aldrin's other amazing accomplishments, but he also punched out moon-landing-denyer, Bart Sibrel, when Bart was in his 20s, and Aldrin was in his 70s. I love that video clip.
Buzz is essentially a super hero. Top of the charts intelligence, physically and leadership. Super Buzz if you will.
taking a taxi to a castle on the way to mars sounds like time travelling :D
This concept reminds me of the "First Transcontinental Railroad" and is crucial to have for Mars travel.
Excellent segment!
My grandfather was Buzz's personal accountant for several decades including during the Apollo Program.