Why Moon Mining Will DEFINITELY Be A Thing | Answers With Joe
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With Artemis 1 stacking right now and the first launch planned by the end of the year, the moon is getting more attention than we have seen since the 1960s. The plan this time is to stay in a permanent moon colony, supported by mining operations on the lunar surface. But what could we mine there? And why will it be necessary for our future moon ambitions as well as interplanetary travel?
There's gold in them there craters. Let's take a look.
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"You may be one of the last generations to see the moon in its pristine condition."
That was deep.
Eh, "pristine." It's an uninhabitable rock, strip mine it to the core, I say. It would be a waste to do anything else.
Pristine, as in completely covered in craters and sharp glassy particles. :D
Which may make us the last to see the Moon and the Earth. Then most species on Earth die, including us. And we'll have earned it.
I’m cool with that
See West Virginia coal miles? The Moon will be Sky Virginia.
No one is ever going to be over the sequel trilogy, Joe. 😕
What the hell were they thinking?!
@@Thedeepseanomad They weren't. That's the issue. No plans at all...
Something I'm never going to forgive them is what they did to Finn. A freaking stormtrooper who could've been a Jedi? And they make him a comic relief? 🙄
The sequel trilogy did more psychological damage to my brain then the 1980’s Transformers movie
As Voltaire said, neither Star Wars nor Sequels nor much of a Trilogy.
Filoni and Favreau are….
These prequel episodes of “The Expanse” are getting really good!
just started watching that show lmao
Now hiring Beltalowda. No experience needed!
Also hiring voice actor for Teddy the Detector.
Gonna go watch that again.
@@dreamcoyote You are serious ke?
@@HankHill11 it's surprisingly good...I watched, then re-watched it during the pandemic... which made it much easier to follow/keep up with.
If you're still watching it, the last episode is a bit of a tear-jerker, kind of wtf? HtF did that just happen? type of ending.
I love how "Olympic size swimming pools", somehow became a semi-standard unit of measure 😊
That's from the artifact system of measurement, which includes the jumbo jet, The London bus, the Eifel tower & the Empire State Building a football pitch, a cricket pitch, the Titanic, QE2 or USS Enterprise. Not to be confused with the fauna measurement system which includes: Elephant, Giraffe, Blue Whale,
I was thinking that when I heard it very recently
@@paddor I'm gonna need you to elaborate on that. I'm just a dumb monkey 😉
@@skasteve6528 for measurement system, don't forget to add:
banana, tennis court, quarter ($0.25 USD), nickel, dime, penny, dollar bill (USD), "arm's length",
"The size of Rhode Island."
When I was a child we watched Neil Armstrong walk on the moon, and my dad cried. I asked my father if I could go to the moon when I grew up and he told me that I would probably be able to go to Mars. Fifty-odd years later I still can't even go to the moon. I read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert Heinlein when I was 12. I look forward to seeing humans living on/in the moon. To me it means that we are progressing as a species.
ruclips.net/video/oVJQoy9-nLg/видео.html
Door Monster
P.S.
Also Heinlein: The first astronauts on Mars were accorded all property rights, according to World Court. So many nations were ready to explode, this seemed the only neutral way out. However, when the astronauts died, then one person owned the moon. The baby born there. Michael. The Stranger in a Strange Land.
i think you are right on the money. also it will improve cooperation for that inevitible day when, aliens aside, that we find an asteroid or comet bearing down on the earth and we have to act fast.
@@meesalikeu I've often wondered at the feasibility of faking a comet being on a collision course with earth. Something where we have 30 years heads up or so to get people back into the space game.
If you got a few million dollars you can go to orbit 😒 sorry
the moon will be a challenge but it's something that will be necessary to progress as a species. we can't do anything major in space without infrastructure and we need the moon to begin building that infrastructure. I mean we can't just skip the moon and go to mars
The shade for the rise of skywalker is well deserved.
No need to additionally comment when this speaks the lord's word
Look I have many issues with the sequels but THE KNIFE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU ON THE KNIFE WHERE TO STAND FOR IT TO MAKE SENSE. IF GAVE YOU CO-ORDINATES. THAT WAS TGE WHOLE POINT OF C3PO LOSING HIS MEMORY. IT WAS LITERALLY A QUARTER OF THE FILM. DID NO ONE ACTUALLY WATCH THE FILM. THERE ARE LIKE A THOUSAND THINGS WRONG WITH THE FILM AND YOU CHOOSE TO PICK APART ONE OF THE ONLY PARTS OF THE PLOT THAT ACTUALLY MADE SENSE? ok there we go. Glad I got that off my chest
Goerg Rockall-Schmidt has a good rant about the trilogy.
@@benjabin6729 I always wince when the healing powers are mentioned.
It's esoteric, but the force power to heal has been presented in canonical media (mostly the games).
Heaven forbid the movie sets up a Chekov's Gun scene so that they can "fire" the gun later...
Wouldn't know, didn't watch. TLJ ended Star Wars for me.
Finding a fossil or any remains on the moon from the extinction event would be hilarious and awesome. Sorry I had the image of Scrat being blown to the moon and the thought of any biomass making that journey would mean that they would have been at the point of impact.
They would have had to been fossilized on earth first and then blown into space. They wouldn’t fossilize once they are in space or on the moon.
@@alexandertaves2730 I am not about to claim surety of facts when I have no means to explore said facts firsthand. Personally I would love to dig my pressurized gloved hands into that beautiful lunar soil and discover for myself what truths it hides.
@@alexandertaves2730 even better then, that means it's the actual bone and not the fossil!
@@hamanakohamaneko7028 true, or a charred frozen chunk of tbone t-Rex!
It would be much more useful to science as a preserved bone with tissue. I wish. That would be amazing.
would be kinda funny
“Ughh Houston we have a problem”
“Yeah what is it?”
“We found a manhole cover”
"So, what's the problem Artemis?"
"It appears to have a series of tunnels full of Nazis under it..."
Nice reference bro
the one from the nuclear tests!
"get outside and enjoy it while you can" no better motivation to use my first telescope
Yes, look at the Moon with your scope when half full at the terminator. The craters are amazing.
Well, there will come a time when we look up at the moon, to see the city lights twinkling back down at us, so you might wanna’ get some snaps? Before it changes forever?
@@ashroskell That's an interesting concept. The lights would only be visible on the portion currently in shadow. However, due to the expense and danger of living on the Moon, it is unlikely that there will ever be more than small outposts there, so visible city lights may never happen.
But you will be able to see Lake Armstrong and Tyco City. At least that's according to Will Riker.
I love “The Expanse” and really liked “Artemis” but if you haven’t already done so, read “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” Robert Heinlein 1966. Still a great book after all this time.
Call Me Bob
Jimmy Webb was a huge fan of Robert Heinlein, and he contacted Heinlein's attorneys to see if Heinlein would mind if he used the title of his novel as the title of a song. Heinlein was delighted with the idea and gave it his approval. “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” turned out to be a terrific song, and both Joe Cocker and Jimmy Webb himself did great versions of it.
I shall!
So cool to see another fan of Heinlien! One of my favorite authors
The starship troopers guy?
Read?
I'm in tears laughing at this one, Joe. You're one of the best educators on RUclips right now. Keep it up.
"I'm clearly not over it"
None of us are, mate.
Makes AotC look like an Oscar contender.
What is that from? I didn't understand the reference.
Its Star wars. I'm more of a trekkie so not sure exactly which film it was but thats definitely Star Wars bs
Don’t worry joe it keeps me up at night too knowing Disney looked at that film and said “yeah this will please the long time fans of one of the greatest movie franchises to ever be conceived.”
Nor should any Force wielder. They are an affront to the very concept of the Force and should be destroyed. For the Empire!
"Oh, we can put a man on the moon but we can't put my mother-in-law on the sun...bullshit."
💀💀💀💀
That sir is called incest.
You could if you went at night.
@@skasteve6528 right? Yeah I must not be paying attention to your non-SpaceX space news. Because as far as I know we have satellite orbiting the sun right now taking measurements and readings and studying our friendly neighborhood Star. Just stick mom on the next transport and she can go out there and keep it company. Easy Peezy. But yeah the whole notion of what someone else pointed out, that being the view from earth of a settlement or a city on the moon. I can't wait!
Well, if you try a Jupiter gravity assist, and because of your mother in law's destination, you probably don't need any life support, or a capsule, I think we probably can, it is just one hijacked falcon 9 away! ;)
"I'm clearly not over it."
Totally get it. And every time I think about it, my inner Steve Rogers kicks in, "Got to move on. The world is in our hands. It's left to us guys, and we have to do something with it. Otherwise... Thanos should have killed all of us."
Solid goal.
"Water's pretty awesome it's done a good job here on earth anyway", I couldn't agree more!!!
Being able to see a glowing city on the moon from Earth would be incredible. Projects on the moon would be the corner stone of all of our technical ability and future missions in the solar system
🤣
True that ;0)
@Daniel Anuchan When the city was in the lunar day we wouldn't be able to see it from the Earth, except with a telescope. During the lunar night, we probably wouldn't be able to see it in the Earth day. During the Earth night, if they were as crap about light pollution as we are, we might be able to see a tiny speck of light with naked eye, and probably with binoculars. But I doubt that any lunar colonies will get that big.
@Daniel Anuchan no but you could probably see Elon musks head of he ever break's low earth orbit.
The Islamic Crescent moon symbol?
"Moon dust if like the glitter you can't get off yourself except it's designed in hell." So, glitter.
but it doesn't even shine :(
@@ValentineC137 oh it shines (it's why the moon is so bright). It just doesn't sparkle.
@@literalsarcasm1830 unless you classify asphalt as shiny, then no it actually isn’t.
The highlands (the brighter part of the Moon) has an albedo of 11-18% while older asphalt has an albedo of 10-15% or even as high as 20-25% depending on if you want to trust Google or citated papers on the subject.
Albedo being the amount of light it relfects.
@@ValentineC137 asphalt has a libido ?
Scary
@@ValentineC137 r/whoosh
"Deconfliction of space activities" sounds a lot like, "preventing those who we don't want up there from being up there."
Yep, that's what they mean.
@@harvbegal6868 Kinda sounds like an opposite of that, actually.
@SuperWhisk Space is kind of big. There's not much you can find or do in one place that there isn't plenty of *space* to do someplace else also. It seems to me that all the phrase means is that nobody should interfere with anybody else's activities. It actually seems kind of redundant. Or at least extremely easy to comply with.
It means if we do not regulate it, we will wage war over it. ......as usual.....
@@arnom1885 yes cuz ppl r fkin immature
I was working in Denver today, so this made me smile
Seeing city lights when we look up at the Moon will be something else.
INDEED
i NEED to see this in my lifetime😫
@@havardrodsand Sorry, but you should pull back that NEED. Any of the first permanent Moon bases will be at the poles and not visible from Earth. We have to see if permanent bases are viable first. Growth will likely be very slow if at all. Doubtful anyone alive today will see city lights up there. It took the USA over 100 years to reach 2000 people, and that was in a land with A LOT more to offer than the Moon.
It would get drowned in by the solar light reflections.
This is gonna go so much worse than people are even thinking of.
12:50 Phew, I'm sure glad Luxembourg has signed the Artemis Accord. I mean, if all those Luxembourger space missions got there first, there wouldn't be anything left for the rest of us ;)
Politically speaking this is pretty important, because it can set a precedence that forces the rest of the EU to follow. Wouldn't be the first time, so don't underestimate the small ones.
If I remember correctly I think I have heard there is a couple of space mining companie start-ups in Luxembourg (and might be a tax haven. Good chance I'm wrong on this one)
@@admiralwily1636 oh it's definitely a tax haven (it's GDP per capita is ridiculous).
You're also correct in the first instance, I found this on wiki:
In February 2016, the Government of Luxembourg announced that it would attempt to "jump-start an industrial sector to mine asteroid resources in space" by, among other things, creating a "legal framework" and regulatory incentives for companies involved in the industry. By June 2016, announced that it would "invest more than US$200 million in research, technology demonstration, and in the direct purchase of equity in companies relocating to Luxembourg." By April 2017, three space mining corporations had established headquarters established in Luxembourg.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Luxembourg
Aren't they part of the European Space Agency, I mean technically couldn't they launch a rocket over at Kourou Space Centre
The Banque of Luxembourg will most likely open up an office there so we can all set up a tax-free mailbox on the moon, out of sight (and out of site) from the Tax Bureau.
One day we are going to look up at a New Moon, and instead of seeing nothing, we will see city lights in the sky.
And then there wouldn't be a single place on earth where you can't see civilisation. Kinda sad
The moon is ALREADY a light in the sky! If the natural beauty of the MOON that keeps us all ALIVE isn't good enough for you and you have to throw christmas lights all over it to think it's beautiful, is there anything natural you DO think is good enough!
Any structures on the surface would not last very long, there's no atmosphere to stop micro meteorites from hitting them, not to mention the pretty vast changes in temperature.
And those lights will spell out "Switch to Geico and save"
@@telectronix1368 micro meteorites are blown out of proportion and they arent imposible to defend against, a couple centimeter thick layer of regolit would be enough to stop 99.9% of all impacts so as long as you don't build huge glass dome cities nothing bad will happen (and you can build those inside craters were the geometry of the crater itself serves as a shield from direct impacts)
It was immensely difficult to bring back 150 pounds of rocks during Apollo…They could discover unlimited supplies of printer ink on
the moon and it never would be economical to bring back…
Correct. Earth does not need any expensive lunar resources. We have rocks at home.
The only somewhat economical use case would be in-situ resource utilization. And it's hard to foresee a future space economy that would generate enough demand to warrant lunar production. The only exception that I can think of is propellant for Earth orbiting assets.
@@debott4538 It will be several generations before people are ready to leave earth…
3:25 Nobody's over it Joe... Nobody is...
You can't unsee the most trope based scene in any movie ever. Plus can't forget, horse back riding. 100% necessary...
It wasn't horseback riding.... it was space-horse riding on top of a space battleship during a battle in which the bad guys ships can't move but the good guys can for some reason because no one told them the rules of the planet.
what movie is that?
@@ryanhebron4287 Star Wars the Rise of Skywalker. AKA episode 9. They clearly had no vision when writing that story and just hobbled together "what looks cool".
@@Skylancer727 if felt like jj abrams forgot he was supposed to direct a movie and not a diss track to rian johnson
@@matheussanthiago9685 well to be fair rian johnson deserves worse than a diss track for sabotaging the trilogy
my dad always said the real trick to fast track space exploration is for the discovery of needed resources (metals, and gases etc) so greedy rich people will do what greedy people do and start a new "gold" rush, im starting to think he has a point
Edit: adding this for clarification I'm not trying to imply my dad came up with this idea lol. This vid just unlocked a memory of my dad that I had forgotten.
just make it a resort with no tax, no marriage/paternity laws,legal drugs,prostitution,gambling. you're going to have a major city on the moon by 2050.
It's already one of the goals of Blue Origin, to industrialise space.
Yes, but in addition to making a few companies fantastically rich, it would also mean humanity has 10-100x more raw resources to utilize. Essentially that would cause the same increase in living standards as the last time that happened around the industrial revolution.
@daznzeus lol I wasn't trying to make it seem like he invented the idea , this just unlocked a memory of my dad. As a kid I remember him talking about this whenever someone brought up space. Just one of his quirks that made me nostalgic when I watched the vid, I didn’t mean anything by it
@daznzeus lol, gotcha. I figured I should clarify, but yeah i do see how it can come across as me boasting about my genius dad 😂😂😂
If moon dust is very very jagged, it might make a good binding material for moon based cement or mortar.
You may have a point, though to source a form of liquid that doesn't come from earth is a bit of a hindrance.
Good idea!, we could bury the sequel trilogy in moon concrete
Mooncrete™
MOXIE is already producing oxygen on Mars. There's hydrogen on the moon. Extract electrical power and you have water.
Y'ALL KNOW WE NEED THE MOON FOR RLY IMPORTANT "LIFE ON EARTH" SHIT RIGHT. YOU KNOW THE EARTH DIES IF WE FUCK UP THE MOON, RIGHT.
Born too late to buy a house on Earth, born too early to buy a house on the Moon
As far as I know, Fusion energy is only 30 years away
Always has been.
@@TanaisNL always will be
And judging from the hype, Helium-3 fusion will be possible the instance we master "regular" fusion.
I thought it was twenty years off
Fusion energy has been going on at the centre of our solar system for about 4.5 billion years and is likely to continue going for 5 billion more years.
I can't help but notice that China and Russia have not signed the Artemis accords and feel like without there signatures it's basically meaningless.
Agreed.
China will definitely "play to win".
Even India was going to sign but decided not.
That's because signing anything with USA is pretty much meaningless if you are on equal footing - USA never fulfills its obligations in the agreement and throughout the Cold War, and especially after it, it has broken pretty much every high level agreement. That is why no one considered on pair with USA wants to co-sign anything anymore. Simply, USA honors the deals it wants, when it wants - and that makes any signing pretty meaningless. It went to the point where USA's actions in the Cold War almost brought up nuclear war - famous being Cuban Crisis.
USA and USSR agreed that they won't put nuclear weapons on each other's borders - because then you take out the other side's ability to retaliate (not enough time), so the whole balance goes away. USA placed nukes in Turkey, contrary to the agreement, and USSR then decided to restore the balance by placing nukes on Cuba. We all know how it all ended, but in many American minds it is seen as a hostile act of USSR. It wasn't, it was actually a response to a hostile act and breaking of a deal by USA.
And when you have a nation that doesn't give a damn about the agreements and obligations (because it has force and thinks it can do what ever the hell it wants and no one can do anything about it), no one wants to sign anything with it.
US troops committed countless war crimes in the last 20 years in the Middle East, no one even remotely important was brought to the international court for war crimes. Because USA does what USA wants - and if you don't like it, come and do something about it. If you can. Classic bully. That's why no one wants to play.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Sad but true.
Where was my trigger warning Joe? That quicksand-tunnel-snake-knife thing still hurts 😢 Daisey deserved better.
Tunnel snakes rule!
Maybe if they hired halfway decent actors lol.
I don't even know what movie that is, but it sounds like Star-Trek, Raider's of the lost Arc, Stargate, and Dune had a love child.
@@walkingcontradiction223 Starwars: Rise of Skywalker.
@@Edramon53 Ahh, no wonder I watched episode I, and that was it... Still like IV-VI, but, no... Just no...
The Apollo program cost around 2.5% of GDP per year. Current NASA budget including Artemis program is around .5%of the National budget.
01:20 The most appropriate (fictional) quote is:
“..You know, when Apollo 17 landed on the Moon, people were calling up the networks and bitching because reruns of I Love Lucy were cancelled”.
- Dr. James Kelloway, Capricorn One (1977).
Do you realise that the reason everyone became disinterested in the Lunar Landings was the Vietnam War.
I mean, the USA was dropping bombs and Americans were dying in a foreign war they couldn't win. That seemed infinitely more important.
I’ve heard similar complaints of how much media attention was focussed on Branson and Bezos with their respective suborbital jaunts. And I would agree… Branson & Bezos got far too much attention for their stunts.
@@CarFreeSegnitz
I certainly think they did. They didn't go into space, they just rebuilt something that was already at that height in the early '60s.
It's as if they rebuilt the wheel and then told us to be excited about it.
@@backalleycqc4790 I partially disagree...People were also getting bored after the first landing and were questioning the cost and effort.
There is always going to be people more focused on socio-political issues than any scientific-engineering one. I distinctly remember a female politician on TV back then saying how we have to solve current socio-economic problems just like we solved landing on the moon.Even as a little kid, I knew this was an "apple and oranges" comparison. Engineers approach challenges with clear goals and end-points, whereas Politicians only survive by forever moving the Goal-Posts.
@@lads.7715 i do have to give credit were crédito is due, while an enginer can solve a problem as long as it's not imposible by physics and we usually have a cobrar goal going forward, we know what we want to accomplish, politics it's a constant gamble were you don't even know what the "winning" conditions are and they never end
The dust thing never occurred to me, but I wonder how much mass we could actually remove from the moon, before it changes it’s orbit of the earth, and the effect it has on things like, the ocean tide cycles, weather patterns, the calendar, my fangs?
Hmmm, I wonder. What ever we remove we'll bring here, so wont it even out?
Even removing billions of tons of material would be insignificant compared to the total mass of the moon (around 7*10^22 kg).
Your fangs 🤣🤪
I may even have less hair during the full moons and silver bullets won't kill me anymore.
@@jkoeberlein1 The moons gravity pulls the tides up by competing with earths gravity. Earths gravity doesn’t pull upwards it pulls downwards. So it’s not a case of keeping the overall weight the same.
“I’ll let you guys argue whether or not starship will come online in time for this video”
Also him: publishes video as super heavy gets 25 of 29 engines installed and the rest of the orbital hardware in final assembly stages
There is a difference between being orbital, and being completely on-line. Starship, due to it's test often until it fails strategy, appears to be further ahead than it really is. The Starship we see today is really only a husk of it's intended state. The Prototypes are just that, there are no internal crew compartments, equipment bays, hell, they are only just now trying to design the large cargo doors that it will need to deploy payloads into orbit. It has a long way to go before it can be considered fully operational. Likely it will become more and more operational over a much longer gradient than most rocket platforms have traditionally in the past. The first version that lands on the moon, likely won't be much more complex than the current iterations, safe for some equipment to test the landing systems, and possibly refueling hardware.
All the crew support, and large payload support stuff, it likely to take a lot more time.
@@BookmansBlues Very true, but that doesn't take away from the fact that Starship is more powerful, even in it's experimental form, and if it flies first, it will steal that thunder from the SLS which is what the OP was about
@@BookmansBlues - Yeah, thats true, but Starship isnt trying to suck money as hard as they can from the government like other companies.
While there is an incentive for SpaceX to go Faster, there is a very big incentive for Government partners to Delay as much as possible.
Dude, this rocket should be finished 10 YEARS AGO with 25% of the current cost.
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Also, developing the Engine and the structure is the HARD PART, everything else is kind of easy, specially if you have hundreds of engineers knowing they are making history in real time.
"its just a husk" - yeah, like EVERY SINGLE OTHER ROCKET, the only exception i can think is the space shuttle, everything else is just a fuel tank attached to a rocket engine.
In my opinion, Starship is already 80% ready, its like copying a bunch of files, 3k files, but 80% of the total size is only by 10 files.
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I bet SLS will have at least ONE more big delay and Starship will be almost ready when SLS finally leaves the ground, and with some luck, dont Explode in mid air.
@@BookmansBlues I would be careful about putting faith in Boeing or ULA at this point.
@@brianfhunter
Also Starship costs a tiny fraction of SLS, like 3 orders of magnitude less. And since it's fully reusable, it can fly far more frequently. Up to 3 times a day for one ship. And it's going to be mass produced. Apart from the similar size, Starship is in a completely different league. SLS is an F1 race car, while Starship is a pickup truck.
Uh... I believe the "benchmark" may be "sliced bread". "It's the greatest thing since sliced bread"!
Not until we invent a mini lightsaber so you can cut and toast at the same time.
@@walkingcontradiction223 Didn't Colin Furze already do something like that?
@@quinnbattaglia5189 I remember it from Futurama or something similar.
@@walkingcontradiction223 Though I'd argue a major benefit of "sliced bread" is not having to slice it yourself... so I feel like most people would still prefer to toast their pre-cut slices of bread than to cut their own slices of toast.
@@GrahamRomero Baguettes and similar aren't sliced, nor bread you bake yourself. That's why they have bread knives. I'm a rebel though so I put my bread in a blender.
One major thing Water on the Moon gives us, is concrete. I know it sounds frivolous to use precious water for building material. But having concrete structures on the surface or in caves/lava tubes. Means you can create stable and truly long term habitats. But now that Joe said it, I think he will be quoted in the future about appreciating the Moon while its still pristine and unspoiled.
I have limited knowledge of concrete but I believe that it requires oxygen to remain stable. Making concrete structures on the moon before an oxygen atmosphere would likely be improbable.
Joe Scott will get over the trilogy when we crack fusion energy
Say in about twenty years then? 😁
Just 10 years out lol
@@stevepirie8130 no no no, in 10 years we say 10 more.
@@beastamer1990s only been 4 years away for the last 40 years!
that will never, ever, ever happen and most scientist agree. the solution is thorium reactors, you might want to look into that. fusion research will suck up enormous amounts of OUR money and will never, ever be a solution
Thanks!
"put on a bra" lmao Thanks Joe, I needed that
Try these cool, black stockings too!
I was a teenager at that time- heard that a lot….
Can't make me put one on, they be free!
@@JenFoxworth They must be very uncomfortable. Especially in the heat, Jen.
@@imlistening1137 Girls develop so young. Scares the boys.
Ever since I was in grade school and the Apollo missions were going on, I've had no problem with our tax dollars being spent on space missions, happy to see that. PS: A larger diameter aluminum wire will conduct just as well as copper, you just need more of it. Typically you must upsize your conductor two sizes to accommodate the same circuit ampacity, e.g., substitute a 750 MCM aluminum for a 500 MCM copper.
The tech. developed for space have made all of our lives better.
The possibility of mining in space would also benefit all of us.
Technically 99 percent of the tax dollars goes to working Americans. I think it's better than giving it to bums who take advantage of the welfare system..
A lot of the public will be against it for years, until the first benefits begin to accrue. Even if we don't crack fusion by the time a moon base is set up, there could still be processes beneficial to Earth - low-G manufacturing comes to mind.
Many imagine Apollo cost America nearly 100% of its budget. NASA’s funding was at its richest at around 5%, at that it was a staggeringly huge project. Today NASA’s budget hovers around 0.5% of the US budget. While America spends roughly $20 billion through NASA it spends over $700 billion on the military.
@@Bryan-Hensley, I'd need to see the data for that one.
Also, a definition of "working" would be required.
City, State, Federal bureaucracies are filled with "do nothing jobs".
-Technically "working" on paper, but not in practice.
But I do agree. The welfare system needs to be re-examined.
On many occasions, I've had women at the grocery store try to "sell" me their EBT Card.
: "This EBT card has $80 on it, I'll sell it to you for $40."
: Why would I pay you $40 to get my tax dollars back?
It would be interesting to see how many welfare recipients "lose" their EBT cards, and need a new one.
I am so glad I found your channel Joe. I especially enjoy how you cover mysteries, missing people, etc. Thank you for keeping your content based in fact and possible answers to the mysteries plausible. No "crazy", "mega bizarre", "you won't believe your eyes". No click bait here.
you want the truth.??..watch viper tv.. sumerian tablets.. then,,tell me aliens dont exist..
Just imagine what we could learn from a few dozen core samples from various locations. Below a few meters is still largely unknown & only theories exist for what could be below the surface. Scientists are also looking at the possibility of using underground caverns & lava tubes as possible shelter since the mass above would be great at shielding most spacial radiation.
"We used to have a big shiny moon" - future bedtime story.
The human race will starve to death prior to that.
if only, the damn satelite is to blame for some of our floods....
but it wont happen, theres to much of it.
''and know it's shinier''
The moon's surface is slightly less reflective than an asphalt road, whatever we do there, we'll make it more shiny!
I'll probably be out by Neptune by the time that's an issue.
I live in Florida. I went to the last Shuttle launch. I'm definitely going to the first SLS launch. I might have to move to Texas after that, though, to be closer to Starship launches... at least until Starship launches are moved off shore to the floating launch platforms.
You like to live near a bomb who spills toxic fumes ,🙂
@@Kannot2023 >>> _WHERE'S THE LOVE?!_
So cool! Seeing a launch in person is on my Bucket list! Well I want to see both a day and nighttime launch.
I went to Cocoa Beach a few years ago and saw the VAB over the horizon. That would be a cool place to be during a launch.
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Nichols comment is made by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. There's nothing toxic about liquid oxygen. It does use methane, which is a greenhouse gas, but when the rocket exploded, the little bit of methane left in the tank burned up harmlessly just like a natural gas plant that lights the top of their stacks so that it burns instead of escaping into the atmosphere. He said it himself. It's a bomb. It exploded. It burned up all the methane before it could be a problem. There is a 5 mile excursion zone to keep people out of the blast. It's comment made by someone ignorant of the facts.
Thursday's video prediction: "6 Times That Star Wars Broke Our Hearts."
And where the hell are our George-Jetson "hovercars", eh!? Eh!? As the youngest rep of the Gen-Xers (I was born in Sept. 69; hey, is that in the summer then? Never thought of that - "summer of 69"...), I speak for legions, & WE DEMAND:
1) Lightsabers,
2) hovercars,
3) fusion-powered Anything,
4) AI supercomputers with a predilection for naming everyone "Dave" (albeit in a soft, calming voice), &
5) Star Destroyers (pref with hyperdrives, but that's not a deal-breaker)!
C'mon Humanity - Baby Boomers I'm looking at YOU - tick tock, alright!? On behalf of my generation I'm calling you to account...this REALLY better not end up being one of those "writing cheques we can't cash" nonsense, or by golly there'll be trouble!
@@tolentarpay5464 i hate to break it to you do but ur closer to a Boomer, Gen X didnt end til the late 70s at earliest
Only 6?
@@mycosys
Gen X lasted until early eighties. They can't agree on the exact year that it ends, but it's most often somewhere between 1980 and 1983. 1965-1980 seems to be the most common years that people use.
n° 1 - the tone down from ep 5 to 6
I mean, how there they go from
''I'm your father/ cut off limb/han frozen in carbonite/ and leia force sensitive'' 5 min before black screen
to ''silly teddy bears beat stormtroppers with rocks and sticks now''
If I were a young miner on the moon I would flash my buns all the time and say.
"I'm a miner on the moon, mooning miners."
Untill Brutus misunderstood the gesture. After that, no more minermooningjokes.
I do always love the argument that "We've already ruined the Earth, why should we go and ruin the Moon?"
What's there to ruin? It's a gray, sun-blasted, radioactive wasteland covered in abrasive basalt dust and a hazy near-vacuum.
But, it's a dry heat.
Said it way more intelligently than I would have.
That argument also doesn't make any sense in the first place. Mining on the moon means LESS mining on earth, it's literally part of the solution to fixing our planet.
But its a pristine gray sunblasted radioactive wasteland covered in the rest of the stuff you said! Though, in all honesty I really wish that when I looked up into the sky I could see a city on the moon. It would have some dumb obvious name like Luna or some shit, but I want the future dammit.
Mining the moon?
What would the effects be and how widespread?
Changing the nass of the moon by removing material could affect the tides here on earth which could affect the weather here on earth. We're already seeing the affects of climate change here on earth. What would happen her on earth if people start dismantling it.
I have a joke about fusion energy, but it takes 30 years to tell.
But only 10 years to first chuckle
I'll show you the way to the Thor(ium)
15:38 This gave me a good laugh. A noble wish, but not gonna happen because, you know, greed.
Aluminum is a better conductor than copper per kilogram. Copper only wins per unit volume.
The moon is made of cheese. I read it on the internet. 🌝 + 🧀 = ♥️
@StraightupGamer literally has to be
Cheese slices, because obviously it's flat
We can mine cheese from the moon!
Naa its a projection.
Fun Fact: Technically, there really is cheese on the moon. the Beresheet mission (about 2 years ago) crash landed on the moon and it had some cheese on board.
I was waiting for the moon Nazi joke but it never came. Disappointed.
Just wait till we start mining on the moon. They will show up. I promise
@@________382 that sounded funnier in your head didn't it.
Na, after the moon missions they decided to go to Mars instead.
The rest of earth will never be able to rival the tech of the furer, so they will never make it to Mars.
LOL. Gotta love the meme.
Maybe not a moon nazi joke, but it was at least a moon jedi joke... (kinda... you get what i mean...)
Same. I was hoping for an "IronSky" joke.
funny how i used to think it would be awesome to have self-sustaining moon bases and everything...
then i realized we might actually do it, and a bit terrified at the prospect (repercussions) now.
Mining the moon seems like a terrible idea to me. I can’t believe that there’s serious discussion about this. What happens if we destroy our moon and that’s the end of the world as we know it.
@@ok.ok.5735 why would a moon mine cause more damage to earth than an earth mine?
Who will own the Moon?????
@@ok.ok.5735 mining the moon will enable us access to further space.
*pushes glasses up nose*
The Soviet N1 was the most powerful rocket ever built, not the SLS... It just didn't get very far off the ground
Oof, one of the last generations to enjoy the moon in it's pristine condition - that just made me horribly depressed, thanks Joe. 🌙
The "moon in its pristine condition" is a frozen irradiated hell half the time and a burning, even *more* irradiated hell, the other half of the time.
It's best use is a center for resource extraction and as an industrial park for heavy manufacturing.
We need to get as much of those two acivities, as possible, *off this planet*.
Yeah but... Imagine someday you'll look up the sky and see the faint light of lunar citys. A constant reminder of what humanity can achive.
It is beautiful in a way.
On the other hand we are talking about changing another rock in the solar system forever aaand looking at what we are doing with the first one we should propably think about that again...
Pristine wasteland where nothing can live or grow.
@@Kremit_the_Forg Nope, no need to "think about that again."
The more industry and resource extraction we can put on lifeless rocks, the less damage we do to the one rock that we know of that actually has life.
Better yet, all that industry and resource extraction will eventually make it cost-effective to build places for people to live, first on those lifeless rocks (at which point, they stop being "lifeless"), and then in space habitats.
And that means we can start drawing down the population on Earth, and sending people to live comfortable lives in space.
The best possible plan is to turn Earth into a vast natural reserve, populated by a minimal number of people devoted to its care, while everyone else lives peaceful, comfortable and prosperous lives in habitats scattered widely, throughout the Solar System.
I'd like to think we can get there, someday.
@@Kremit_the_Forg Yeah, if humans had to go through a 'performance review' based on out treatment of the earth, we wouldn't be getting to use other celestial bodies just yet.
I sat there for a solid few seconds hearing you talk about quicksand and thought "that could be a movie tbh" and then you mentioned the healing and my face went monotone as hell realizing that you ARE talking about an already existing movie 🤣
What movie?
@@CessnaPilot99 rise of Skywalker
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 calling that dumpster fire a movie is being far to generous. a cancerous polyp on the anus of society would be a more accurate descriptor.
@@TheFloorface LOL
Wow guys can’t wait to finally start mining the moon to fuel fusion energy in 20 years
Lolz, maybe with fusion energy we can get James Webb up and running!
We've actually been doing fusion for years now, it's just that we can't figure out how to get more energy than we put in
What's meant by "pseudo atmosphere of moon dust"? Surely any dust would fall without air to suspend it. Footage of lunar rovers shows how dust kicked up by the tires just arcs back to the ground. Would dust be orbiting close to the surface? Electrostatic suspension? What?
The really weird thing is that when you said "23 pages of trash" my initial reaction was "23 pages isn't much trash at all!" Why my brain decided to take that statement literally is beyond me lol
This video makes me want to re-watch that Sam Rockwell movie "Moon". I love that movie, highly underrated little gem.
Agreed
I'd never even heard of the movie before this video. I guess I'm going to have to search it out now.
@@GandolphTheGreyBeard ‘Moon’ and ‘Source Code’ were both directed by Duncan Jones (David Bowie’s son)...
...unfortunately everything he’s made since has been a disappointment.
Underrated is the wrong term. Obscure maybe? Most people who know about it think it's fantastic.
@@Rocketsong Yeah, maybe. But obscure things tend to also become underrated things in the grand scheme of things. By the way, how a movie is "rated" is a subjective thing. Maybe I think this movie is better than all the people who think this movie is great.
"We can send a man to the moon, but I can't get a date." I didn't realize when I posted that, Joe was going to make fun of me. I just want a date.
I would bet almost everyone who wants a date could get one. They might just not live up to your standards, so they reject them.
12:07 ♫Fly me to the moon, let me mine among the stars♫
I love how bitter you still are Joe about Rise of Skywalker, lol. Keep up the awesome work dude. Another great video.
For someone like me, who opted out of Star Wars after the The Last Jedi clusterfuck and thus hasn't seen Episode 9, this sequence was extremely disturbing.
*IT'S NOT CANON*
I totally forgot the last jedi even happened, damn Joe
I had it blocked from conscious thought then he mentioned the injured snake.
Wasn't that snake scene in The Rise of Skywalker?
I had a harder time breathing in Texas humidity than Colorado elevation! Good to know the RE metals are up there. That's our device future! Here's to the iPhone 50, mined from the moon, and only $50m! charger not included
Baby lungs
Won't be that much. The moon isn't the only place where we can get those resources from. We've got two asteroid fields and possibly the Oort Cloud too (if it exists), which means we will have trillions upon trillions of tonnes to mine, which in turn means that their value will eventually drop to free. A materials value is primarily defined by rarity and how difficult it is to obtain. The rest is detail work to make it fit in better with the monetary system we run, but the RE resources we obtain outside the Earth, the rarer life itself becomes and at some point it will be naturally occurring materials like wood and leather that will be incredibly expensive, as we can definitely do smaller plants on colonized worlds, but entire forests are quite unlikely for at least a couple thousand years.
@@Arterexius Yes, but the most important part of what you said is the difficulty to obtain the metals. Until spaceflight itself becomes truly routine (not likely, imho), anything we have to go up and pull out of the vacuum of space is going to be astronomically expensive. Not to mention, mining is brutal work on Earth, and these miners will also have to be trained for spaceflight/working there specifically. That ain't cheap!
As has been mentioned in the video, rare earth elements are not actually rare ...
The comedy was on point in this one, Joe. Keep up the good work!
You are literally my source of scientific news, keep up the good work Joe!
Hope you expand that
That is sad. Joe does a very good job at research and presentation, but he is not a scientist. He substitutes opinion and optimism in places where actual data and facts are unclear or unknown because it is popular and grows his channel. I notice very few people in the comments call him out on this.
@@Val_Emrys But we are going to make the moon uninhabitable. Call Greenpeace
@@bindingcurve Said no Greenpeace person ever. But ok, just make up crap...because...
@@Val_Emrys Listen to Joe. He was concerned about moon dust floating around due to industry on the surface that would make the moon uninhabitable. ;)
I think it would be pretty cool to stare up from Earth and see the faint glow of city lights in the dark portion of the Moon's crescent phases. Our Earth still looks fairly pristine from orbit during the day, so I'd imagine the sun touched portions of the moon will still look pristine from Earth's perspective for a 1000 years to come; assuming we don't create a thin but opaque atmosphere of dust around the moon.
Also, a city the size of Los Angeles would use up every drop of known Moon water in about 500 days, so hopefully water recollection systems improve, and fingers crossed we don't start growing needless lawns on the Moon either lol.
Moon Lawn™
On a microscopic level, the surface of the Moon is like soda straws. This makes the full moon 11 times brighter then the half moon. It's going to be really sad to loose that to dust.
Ya loose dust will be a problem.
We can just paint it white after we suck up all the dust
@@stdesy thank god we only have to paint one side
"We don't want to mess up the moon too much. [...] The moon has been inspiring humanity for thousands of generations."
So did forests. And oceans.
In the movie Moon, Sam Rockwell's character was a Helium-3 miner, and so was Sam Rockwell's character.
Also Sam Rockwell's character.
@@ErwinPommel don’t forget Sam Rockwell’s character
@@lmao2709 You can say that again! 😉
Ruin the moon? Its a piece of rock. Now, if we affect the trajectory or gravitational power of it it could effect us, badly, but ruining the moon means nothing. There is no nature there for us to damage by messing with it.
Yeah, I really have no understanding of this argument and I have seen it a lot lately, mostly from environmentalists and Guardian contributors . Space mining and manufacturing is the best thing that can happen to nature on earth
Making the moon's potential even more inaccessible by creating moon dust atmosphere or disturbing sites that could have been scientifically insightful, is what "ruining the moon" means. I think. We need to make sure to not trip ourselves in the process.
That we know of. Until recently we thought all life needed air, but we found an organism living in fish that doesn't need air. And I don't mean "of it doesn't need oxygen but needs other gases", no I mean it literally does not need air.
@@livingcorpse5664 do you have a source or name for this organism?
That's because you connect the "ruining" strictly to life and habitability - which, in my opinion, is wrong. It's like saying that you can't ruin the furthest reaches of South Pole, or some desert, because there is no nature there to ruin. The value of some place is not tied only to ecosystem it has. Many places on Earth are protected and valued solely because the nature made them in a specific way over countless millennia, not because there is some nature there that could be ruined.
For example, there is not that much life in the Grand Canyon, most certainly not as in for instance some forest in Oregon, but guess what - forest is not protected, Grand Canyon is.
So of course you can ruin something that has no ecosystem of its own. When you redefine "ruin" to mean changing what nature made, then the argument falls into place.
You COULD argue that moving industry to the Moon would help with the Earth's ecosystem, but you can't argue that saving one does not mean the destruction/ruination of the other celestial body. You are just trading one destruction for another - and the argument is no longer is it ruining or not, but which one serves us better.
So yeah, it IS ruining the Moon, it's just that it's ruination that we can live with. But it is still ruination.
Mining the moon for that sweet, sweet Helium 😄
That part of the mining is which I find problematic. For all that other stuff? Yes. Helium 3? I am not so sure. It is very energy intensive process, which means you'll need very expensive infrastructure up there to mine the regolith and then refine it. Also, Helium 3 rich areas are around the equator on the far side - that's as far from the proposed Lunar bases as you can get on the Moon - meaning thousands of kilometers away.
And then you need to consider that, while the price of 1g of He3 might be high now, the moment you start mining it in large quantities, the price will drop like a rock. The rules of supply and demand. So you can't really count on that huge price.
Further, He3 is a third generation fusion fuel. The first, and the most energetic, are deuterium and tritium reactions, both of which can be found on Earth for a fraction of a cost. Especially deuterium - oceans themselves contain enough for countless millennia of power generation. So it is another nail in the He3 mining coffin. It would be very hard to justify mining He3 for a huge cost when you can get the fuel down here for a fraction of the cost.
And further still, once you get the fusion going, He3 is actually PRODUCED in fusion reactors as a result of deuterium fusion. So, that means that folks having a fusion reactor and access to an ocean, can have all the power they want, including that 3rd gen fuel cycle, without ever stepping a foot on the Moon.
So I highly doubt that Helium 3 mining would be a huge deal - for Earth. Helium 3 has one advantage though - it is a form of aneutronic fusion, meaning that in reaction, you don't release extra neutrons, meaning that a reactor using He3 as a fuel would need less radiation shielding. For Earth it does not matter, because the price of extra shielding is nothing compared to the cost of shipping He3 from the Moon. But for some future fusion powered spacecraft, it might be advantageous as it means less mass to haul around the system.
All that being said, if/when we master fusion, Helium 3 might be mined on the Moon to power some future spacecraft. But there is no economic reasoning to ship it to Earth, at least in my opinion after the extensive research into the subject.
@@Wustenfuchs109 This guy is on point.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Wow, great insight, thanks for that!
Agreed. I only think that the moon will maybe be used if we ever did need a fuel source for future space craft perhaps.
I can see it being used as a type of service/fuel station one day.
I just really hope they don't, as the moon's gravitational force is the only thing I ever worry about haha.
Your intensive research has really paid off.. and on a great subject as well 😄
@@Wustenfuchs109 but but funny voices
@@Wustenfuchs109 not to mention, Tritium can be produced in vast quantities in conventional nuclear reactors, and tritium then decays into Helium-3. This is already being done in one reactor due to the decreased supply from nuclear warheads, but can be done in any commercial reactor.
If we mine on the moon and transport it to Earth, wouldn't that cause an imbalance in the natural gravity between Earth and the moon? If this happened, would it disrupt the tides, magnetic poles, atmosphere, and more?
no
I think it would, given the short time that's past down here with us eating up the Earth's resources, put that same amount of time with us stripping the moon for any resources it will eventually cause a weight difference enough that the moons orbit will change..the moon is alot smaller,take even 1% of its surface away, it will need to adjust its orbit to stay in balance with the earth..some of us know what will happen and the rest won't care or believe as they'll all be fighting each other to survive with our ongoing state...
We're talking about litteral astronomical quantities here. Even if you mined more material then we've ever mined on Earth, and sent all of it to Earth, the effect wouldn't even be measurable. It would be like worrying about birds flying over ship causing it to sink because occasionally they leave feathers on the boat, and feathers have weight.
@@squirmyrouter With some "quick maths" I'd estimate we'd need to move around 4.5 million "Mt Everests" off the moon to be equal to 1% of its mass, so while any changes do technically impact its orbit, I think it'd be negligible.
@@tomkelly8827 lol
This kinda stuff is my favorite thing to see on this channel.
Aluminum forms a +3 ion. As such, without bothering to reference some sort of Table, I would guess that non-oxidized Aluminum probably conducts electricity EVEN BETTER THAN Copper.
tip for viewers: joe says the most important things in a low tone that may be hard to hear.
Loved the movie “Moon”. I honestly thought I was the only person who saw it. Lol
Nah, I've seen it and its great !
Why did Sam and Sam's clone sit around for so long, doing nothing, as though they weren't, you know, clones? Wouldn't you be a bit more excited and want to know what was going on if a fresh clone of you just showed up?
@@jjohnston94 Spoilers!
It was somewhat interesting but didn't have all that much to do with the Moon; it was just the backdrop for the movie.
@@harmless6813 You missed the point, it had everything to do with the moon as it is the most hostile and lonely place mankind has ever been.
Some people might say, "If we can send a man to the moon, why not all of them?"
Because no one ever went to the moon. Pretty simple when reality kicks in.
what's really crazy about all this is that there's the 2003 anime "Planetes" that actually was about all that space stuff that we fancy today, and they are taking pretty realistic approaches to all of that
maybe because the creators talked to nasa a lot
helium 3 mines on the moon, a moonbase as a spaceport to sustain near earth space travel and a spaceship heading to mars, still a big deal in the show, but they use the moon as a base for building and fueling it, not to mention the "tandem mirror engine" used for that mars mission, you know, like the one they are exploring today.
they also go in to a lot of the darker subjects around space travel
Excellent fairly "hard" S F. anime.
The main character is a girl who joins the space-junk removal section. Her first encounter with the main male character was while he was working on maintenance of a space suit, including wearing the sanitation attachment including the diaper. Forever after, she can't get over calling him the diaper guy.
It never mentions her wearing a diaper while she's in a suit for hours at a stretch.
The leader of the junk section is a woman who hardly ever gets a chance to smoke - living in a space station and working in tiny capsules and in space suits.
The climax of a big story arc is her crash-landing a re-entry escape capsule onto a lonely little island. The radio tells her that rescuers are on the way, and she can finally light up and enjoy a smoke in peace on a beach.
They're gonna make it non cannon, Joe, we have to believe
I’m fine with making RoS not canon but I love the other two so I can’t see who that would work
@@heather23renae They're really not very good either. TFA is just a poor remake of Star Wars, and TLJ just doesn't make any sense from beginning to end.
@@heather23renae TFA was ok, but it followed ANH super closely. TLJ had no substance, and I was actually very confused when the movie ended. I thought I had only seen half a movie when it was over.
Hahaha the rise of Skywalker rant was the reason I’ll always love you
It has been estimated that Fusion reactors here on Earth (when they actually get here) would require only 5 tons of HE3 to power the entire planet's electrical energy needs for one year. It is kinda a big deal!
PhD student in fusion energy and plasma physics here. I can confirm, that sounds about right. A good rule of thumb is that you need 60kg of He3 to power a city of one million people for one year.
@@LordSwordbreak thanks!
@@LordSwordbreak That's why the Chinese have gone there.
I was watching this just now in 2022. Then bam, we just cracked fusion energy! Oh my god! So excited!
Thanks Luxembourg, everyone was eagerly waiting for you too join the accord
To the moon Joe, TO THE MOON!!
My favorite moon based musician, Silane Dion
Shameless 😂😂😂
Selene. Really? You broke the joke.
7:33 aluminium (aluminium!) is a pretty good conductor. Much of the above ground local electricity supply in the UK has seen copper replaced by aluminium because it is less vulnerable to lightning strikes.
That has more to do with the fact Aluminium is 1/6 the price of the same capacity copper wire…
Aluminium is well known as an excellent conductor for above ground main lines. However, it overheats and therefore is unsafe to use in buildings.
@@jamese9283 Overheating is purely a question of bad terminations - and copper is just as vulnerable to bad terminations (having had to put out a fire in my own meter box because of incompetent electrical work, I am very aware of this).
What you can’t do with aluminium is just twist wires together in wire nuts and hope (wire nuts are honestly a bad idea with even with copper).
Aluminium needs properly crimped aluminium alloy connectors to be safe.
@@allangibson2408 I would argue that the parameters of the current it carries is also a big factor.
@@JanjayTrollface So long as the area of the Aluminium conductor is 40% larger than the equivalent copper conductor the temperature rise will be the same.
You forgot whaling. Whaling is still fully legal there.
NOW I CAN SEE THE WHALES
LOOMING OUT OF THE DARK
LIKE ARROWS IN THE SKY
I CAN'T BELIEVE MY EYES
BUT IT'S TRUE
WE'RE WHALERS ON THE MOON
WE CARRY A HARPOON
BUT THERE AREN'T NO WHALES
SO WE TELL TALL TALES
AND SING A WHALING TUNE.
Thank you, Fungineers!
SAVE THE MOON WHALES!!!
I question our moon being in "pristine condition" but when I start to think about it, in what state would it really be considered pristine? Before asteroids hit it? How about before it formed? I cannot think of a cleaner state than non-existence.
I would argue that it was pristine before any humans landed there. We left a whole bunch of non organic stuff up there. In my interpretation, pristine just means untouched by man.
People really underestimate how hard it is to bring a man on the moon back home alive lol. Putting a man on the moon is relatively easy compared to putting a live man on the moon and bringing him back still alive lmao. Thats the real hard part.
I'm so not over it that I refused to go see it. Yeah, the one before that got me too :/
Hey :) Super nice video Joe ! You took a broader approach to it than I thought, and thus I learned that moon mining will be quite different from asteroid mining ! I'm sure I would really enjoy a video on the Outer Space Treaty 😄
I signed up to Curiosity Stream & Nebula after a video a few weeks ago - I think at that point there were only 1 or 2 episodes of the Human Body. I was hesitant, because the conversion from Australian dollars to US dollars is often brutal, but that extra temptation of Nebula was too much to resist. And honestly, even with a fairly terrible concession rate at the time, it's been worth it. Plus, as a once a year payment, it's done. So, yeah, I totally recommend it. I've been working my way through the more history focused programs, and every one has been fascinating. The one about The Egtved Girl blew my mind. Who knew stone age women were so mobile? You should all absolutely go watch that one. And just about everything else.
Until Amazon prime is available for two day delivery to the moon, I don't give a fuck.
The most inspiring sight would be to look up there and see city lights on the moon.
they already have fake space stations for you to look up at.
@@madammo7786 Yeah. Right.
(You can't "fake" a space station.)
@@ThatBoomerDude56 I doubt this will happen, the mission is not the colonize the moon, its for scientific research and a bit of mining, a lot like Antarctica. Space is too hostile for large scale permanent stays. Ever since Scott Kelly and some other astronauts came back the colonization talk kind off died down (from what I see). Also are you never satisfied by the beauty of the moon or anything natural? (not a mean question just asking)
@@User-l3u6m Yes, I like to see natural things. But I also like to see signs of human achievement. And, so far, NASA has been thinking from the perspective of the cost of the Apollo missions, with the next planned NASA missions being only slightly more efficient and slightly larger scale. No government-funded lunar missions will ever produce much of anything practical -- including mining.
But commercial space flight has the potential of cutting the cost of human access to space to 10% or less of the current cost -- hopefully within the next decade, but we'll see. At that point, non-government human space flight will be possible and practical exploration & exploitation will be much more feasible. And the human desire for exploration at least to the moon will be overwhelming.
Yes, the lunar environment is hostile. But not so much so that it would prevent people from staying for several months at a time. Possibly not in the next couple decades. But if humanity manages to maintain our technological advancement, it will happen.
@@ThatBoomerDude56 bit optimistic but ok.
And with all that talk about elements and how to get one from the other, I now want to play "Oxygen not Included" yet again
"You could be the last generation to see the moon in its pristine condition"
That is terrifying.
We managed (or are on the way to) destroy earth, now we may start doing same to the moon.
It's just a big rock and no one else will be missing it. In fact, we may be able to make it into something useful.
I mean, I'm that guy that is kinda sad when he makes those first foot prints into the fresh fallen snow. But that doesn't keep me from leaving the house.
@@harmless6813 not sure since the moon does influence things happening here on earth like the tides.
It does effect the earth … but I doubt we have the technology to ( destroy) the moon .. knock it out of orbit , split it in half etc
@@13thmistral This has been discussed elsewhere in this thread: We don't have the capability to remove so much mass from the Moon that it would measurably affect the tides. The Moon may be smaller than Earth but it's still a frigging huge chunk of rock.
@@harmless6813 never say never. I doubt i will be alive for it too see it, but once we humans really see something interesting we are really capable of causing a lot of environmental change.
Joe mentioned regolith, and it's potential for problems, but maybe downplays it a little.
I feel regolith will be a deal killer, not only on any industrial activity on the moon, but on Mars, as well. Regolith is *really* bad, and there aren't any good solutions to dealing with it.
You cannot mine, or use vehicles, without moving parts. It's not too bad during short-term missions like our earlier moon missions which lasted a few days. But, we're talking about building and maintaining a more-or-less permanent, or at least long-term, base. And mining. There are no machines that don't have moving parts. The regolith is going to work it's way into even microscopic crevices, stick to everything, and just grind away at everything that moves.
Even in the short-term missions of the early 1970's, there were problems of the regolith coating the space suits, and entering the air locks, and getting into the modules. Multiply that by a thousand for a long-term mission. Air lock seals will leak, space suit seals around helmets, gloves and joints will leak. Plus, all the regolith that makes it into habitats will cause health issues. Even with constant filtering, filters and their assemblies will get fouled *fast*, and be difficult to maintain.
We'll see. Maybe a solution will be found.
I'd love to see a video that goes more in depth on the Artemis Accords and the Outer Space Treaty!!
a video for each!