I loved the soul chaos or whatever it was called I mean, protoman soul with dark sword + good timing and dodging = inf dark swords with no max hp reduction
@@worry-bunny7328 in the description, it mentioned the AI manipulation was more or less removed for the DS port. By reducing each chip/PA use to once per DSA to remove extending the duration or breaking the game along with the e-reader. Even though the e-reader is long gone, this type of DSA playstyle can still be done in any gba version, just requires alot of time devotion to make sure it's perfected.
Starting from MB6 dark Mega man mechanic was removed because dark chips were destroyed in end of MB5. Instead it replaced with Cybeast a rage and powerful bug sleep deep in cyberworld
@@zidanefan9 Question: How would you use this with BigNoise like he is? From what I remember, the chips needed weren't available until post-game, you wouldn't be able to use it during main story. I guess you can use other PA's exclusively and still abuse this though
@@ChrisLopez-no3ww in have a completed team proto man game and I traded my best chips over to my team colonel. So I started team colonel with those chips. Including the chips needed for big noise and wild bird PA. Also, by inserting my GBA cartridge into my DS lite. I can transfer my entire folder over to my DS version of the game and have the folder as a bonus folder....
...That and it's kind of a metaphor for mortals who want supernatural power. You want the power, you gotta give something in return. YOUR SOUL. (Remember that every time you use a dark chip it lowers your Max HP by one.)
I found you guys & subscribed recently. Love your videos. Could you & your friend do more co-op battles though, please? I loved those; your cooperation / communication & how you both handled the battles, and remained chill, was lovely. I'd love to see more of them. Keep up the good work.
I believe so, yes. I've forgotten already which ones I watched. Haha. You could try something like BassBX, DarkMegaSP (or Omega, however it works), & ProtomanSP. For a start. You guys seem to be capable of hacks, so I'm just assuming this can be done unless I'm missing something. (The opponents themselves being possible, I mean).
You seriously got to the point of having Megaman at 1 HP? I dreaded using them as a kid and whenever I did, I would reset my game without saving after finding out that it lowered my overall health.
Holy moly mother of christ!!!!! That was amazing. I never really used dark megaman because i detested losing the 1 hp but damn!!!!! I think I wanna use it hella more.
Yeah, as a young kid playing Red Sun with my blue gameboy, I would fear losing 1HP for some reason. Lol. Or the HP draining. Jeebus look at that obliterate everyone! XD
rockman:yea l defeated bass!! after seeing the chip cannon rockman:l have sold my soul have made a pact with the devil to win this hard battle the only thing l gain is a miserable and useless cannon!!?? NAZE JIGOKU!!
@@kaeru7655 late comment but the way the spam works is its the TOTAL number of dark chips youve used in the entire game up until that point, not just in that specific battle. meaning, if youve only used 3 dark thunders across the entire story up until that fight when dark soul was used, then dark soul can only use 3 dark thunders in battle. but what Midnite did was hack his game in order to spam dark chips since the tutorial. so by the time he had reached these end game bosses, he had used dozens upon dozens of dark chips (big noise and dark thunder specifically) giving dark soul unfathomable spamming power.
When you realize that if the Dark ending was actually canon in the Battle Network series...Things would have been FAR different in 5 and 6. Since Megaman's soul was consumed by the Dark Chip, he ran amok...and Lan followed him down that dark road...hurting his friends...his family...his own world would be turned upside down as he became the very thing him and Megaman wanted to stop: a villain...a *monster.* Yet Lan was powerless to stop it. Because without his friends to help him, he was a slave to the power. (Can you imagine if someone made a fangame of BN where Lan and Hub ended up becoming the bad guys because of the Dark Chip?)
i really dont like using dark megaman mostly because of the 1 hp loss, and theres no guarntee that one of the 3 dark chips will show up, and if it doesnt and youve used it alot your screwed
@@lafbkhope5391 I had no real idea how Dark Megaman worked in BN4, I just used the Dark Chips for kicks and dealt with the HP loss with HP+100. I was VERY surprised when Protoman suddenly went from kicking my ass because I swear he was reading my input and blocking everything to being the one curbstomped. That convinced me to learn how to use DarkSoul properly.
If this is at all like 4's Dark Soul, when Megaman should be killed, he can instead hang on with 1HP like if you had an UnderShirt on a would-be-killing blow, and then the Dark Soul AI takes over to move and use chips. All you can do at that time is use the chips you selected with your own timing to assist the AI, but as a trade-off DarkSoul Megaman is invincible until you're back in control. DarkInvis seems to re-activate the AI control. The one drawback is that you can't use the Boktai battlechips when you're Dark, they just puff like an incorrectly used Attack+ chip. At least, in 4.
Wait, if this works for chaos unison too. That means every failed chaos soul charge shot will result in an DS that spams u with dark thunder and big noise beiny spawned isn't it.....
In BN4, evil chips that are attempted to be used poof out but still count as being a used chip and MegaMan DS can use it. Is it the same for BN5(With dark chips also disappearing if Light Karma Mega uses it in PVP)?
Xanaguy The Legend DarkInvisible had a programmed bug and some of the attacks locked. And since I have copied the chip and the replaced the other there wasn't any locked attacks and bug. Kinda hard to explain but in short you can't copy the bugs and locks along with the chip. You will get the chip itself.
Dark Megaman is a mechanic of Battle Network 4 and 5. Using dark chips makes him turn into dark form. If you "die" while dark, you instead become invincible for a while, but you lose control of Megaman. The game will have him instead randomly attack with the most common battle chips you have used on the save file. But, if you have only used a few chips, dark Megaman will spam them, as the video shows.
Isnt better to just use Shadowman chaosunion? What about only using DarkCirc/Area Grab/ Big Noise, would that be a good combo for the dark soul? Can this exploit be used on mmbn4?
Eh. Dark Thunder works better because it deals a nice damage, follows the enemy and paralyzes them. Dark CircleGun causes flinching and it prevents it to deal that insane damage spam.
i play MMBN4 Red Sun and Blue moon and in an accident i attivate more dark chips and now my megaman are the armor black and put these scary faces that appears at the start of your video; what i have to do to reverse the evil form to the normal form?
Man!!! I know this is hacked. When I tried it without hack, it did spam Dark Thunder and Big Noise. (plus Recover 300, Dark Meteors, Life Sword, Wild Swallow, and mostly Invisible...)
Reynald San Ramon It's not hacked. Dark MegaMan spams the chips you have used. You must only use Dark Thunder and Big Noise if you want him to only spam these 2 chips.
I called it hack because of the Nebula Gray fight. Normally, you can't activate Dark Invis or any dark chips even being a Dark Rockman user because it will turn into smoke. (Unless you know the only way to activate those dark chips, ChaosUnison.)
Maybe I shouldn't have explained it.. I was only pointing at the Nebula Gray fight. I read your comment from 7 months ago... ("How did you manage to use Dark Chips against Nebula Grey? When I use Dark Invisible it will turn into a smoke.")
+RinuxGaming Those were the only chips I used from tutorial up to that point of the game where I was able to hack in the fights. This is easier to do if you use Mod Cards chargeshot like BassCross or something, since they do not count toward chip count and do good damage.
Static behaves similar to Tornado, but won't suck up a panel off the ground for extra damage, instead its range expands based on how many Bugs MegaMan is suffering, this includes both NaviCust bugs and ones inflicted by enemy chips or DarkChips, in BN5 its also Evil locked, so you must have tainted or worse Karma, and it paralyzes targets who have Super Armor, in BN6 it has neither of those behaviors, and just expands based on bug count
Eh, I was more a sol chipfolder user on both ds and gba. It was just more fun for me. Plus the one time my buddy pvped me his dark folder got demolished by my light. (Im very heavy on defense &prog. Advance)
Anderi Kurniawan If you turn into DarkSoul you'll be invinsible. For example, if your enemy use Dark battlechip,they will turn DarkMega,but when they got hit,their health will go down 1 and turns into Dark Soul and invinsible.the only way to defeat it is use a battle chip / Program Advance that would delete them. Program Advance Pile Driver may works against DarkSoul.
3:09 I sold my soul for Cannon *
multimang0steen ...pfffffffBAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
4:32 I defeated my 4 dark sides for Pulsar2 A
Chaos Ezel I CAN'T BELIEVE WE GOT CANNON * AFTER DEFEAT BASS XX
And this is why RNG rewards are total bullshit
Atleast it wasn't a recov10
The real reason they don’t want us giving in to the dark is because of how op it is
darkness makes the power for example becomes ridiculous overflow
@francisco What the hell kind of grammar,
is that?!
I loved the soul chaos or whatever it was called
I mean, protoman soul with dark sword + good timing and dodging = inf dark swords with no max hp reduction
@@axl256gamesx7 I think you mean chaos unison
@@samushunter242 maybe
Havent played for like 4 years, my ds broke and i dont have the gba ver
Lan : megaman i think you've been using again....
Megaman: DARK THUNDER , DARK THUNDER, DARK THUNDER ,DARK THUNDER, DARK THUNDER ●W●
Don't forget: BIG NOISE
Congratulations! You saved the Net
- But Megaman.EXE fell into drugs
Bad Ending
"You're not alone" kinda fits based on the sombratic sounds in the music.
i like it
So what if there was a slower more sorrow version be called, "You're all alone" and it was Dark MegaMan's theme
What are you talking about?
It’s you and the invincible infinity ammo you. Lol
Good lord, that's incredible! I can see why this was removed!
Wait what? :o
@@worry-bunny7328 in the description, it mentioned the AI manipulation was more or less removed for the DS port. By reducing each chip/PA use to once per DSA to remove extending the duration or breaking the game along with the e-reader. Even though the e-reader is long gone, this type of DSA playstyle can still be done in any gba version, just requires alot of time devotion to make sure it's perfected.
Starting from MB6 dark Mega man mechanic was removed because dark chips were destroyed in end of MB5. Instead it replaced with Cybeast a rage and powerful bug sleep deep in cyberworld
@@zidanefan9 Question: How would you use this with BigNoise like he is? From what I remember, the chips needed weren't available until post-game, you wouldn't be able to use it during main story. I guess you can use other PA's exclusively and still abuse this though
@@ChrisLopez-no3ww in have a completed team proto man game and I traded my best chips over to my team colonel. So I started team colonel with those chips. Including the chips needed for big noise and wild bird PA. Also, by inserting my GBA cartridge into my DS lite. I can transfer my entire folder over to my DS version of the game and have the folder as a bonus folder....
Ah yes, my favorite Megaman game:
DARK SOULS
NebulaGray is pretty much a dark souls boss
@@howisthis8849 i dont recall ever fighting a demon made of fire in dark souls
@@memberofchat2825You can get pretty close, though. Demon Firesage, Bed of Chaos, Old Iron King, Smelter Demon...
@@DentalPlanger they are not made of fire, they are covered in fire
Ohmy gosh! You defeated Bass!? Here's a cannon!😂
It's a cannon *! You know how much effort PvP players go through to get their favorite chip in *?!
Should have named video "Wrath of Dark Thunder"
+Evan Magolor No, how about "MMBN5: Irony.mp4"
*and Big Noise
And it only gets worse in battle network 6. That's shit becomes your charge up if you have the chip.
The Dark Thunder multitude looks slick!
I've never seen this game lag, until now. I didn't even think it was possible.
seeing all those thunders floating on the field at once gives me anxiety
Well, isn't massive short-term power boost the whole point of Dark Soul and Dark Chips in the first place?
...That and it's kind of a metaphor for mortals who want supernatural power. You want the power, you gotta give something in return. YOUR SOUL. (Remember that every time you use a dark chip it lowers your Max HP by one.)
@@Darkoriax17 And I learned it from a children's game
@@imperius88 I learned it from studying occult magic.
When you want something, it always comes with hefty price
@@Darkoriax17 avoid magic
Megaman looks cool with the dark colours tbh
Shit got real once geddon became involved lol. I loved that chip it was always epic during a boss fight
I found you guys & subscribed recently. Love your videos.
Could you & your friend do more co-op battles though, please?
I loved those; your cooperation / communication & how you both handled the battles, and remained chill, was lovely.
I'd love to see more of them.
Keep up the good work.
I believe so, yes. I've forgotten already which ones I watched. Haha.
You could try something like BassBX, DarkMegaSP (or Omega, however it works), & ProtomanSP. For a start.
You guys seem to be capable of hacks, so I'm just assuming this can be done unless I'm missing something. (The opponents themselves being possible, I mean).
I rememwbr having to restart because of the 1 hp fights. But damn the ai was dope
You seriously got to the point of having Megaman at 1 HP? I dreaded using them as a kid and whenever I did, I would reset my game without saving after finding out that it lowered my overall health.
Dark thunder is the pk fire of this game
Holy moly mother of christ!!!!! That was amazing. I never really used dark megaman because i detested losing the 1 hp but damn!!!!! I think I wanna use it hella more.
It's worth it. I'm playing MMBN4 Red Sun and DarkSoul is OP.
DarkWindSoul i don't use it cuz i heard (in megaman battle network 5 double team) that itcan kill the megaman soul
Nigerian-American Mapper I think you meant "You can't access Double Souls.".
Well I could care less about the Souls. Dark MegaMan is OP.
Yeah I tried it and I love the dark side!
Yeah, as a young kid playing Red Sun with my blue gameboy, I would fear losing 1HP for some reason. Lol. Or the HP draining. Jeebus look at that obliterate everyone! XD
Now think it spam nothing but dark invs you will never die
Darn bro. This brings brings back memories of my days with the battle network series. But I was not as good as you are here! Damn!
rockman:yea l defeated bass!!
after seeing the chip cannon
rockman:l have sold my soul have made a pact with the devil to win this hard battle the only thing l gain is a miserable and useless cannon!!?? NAZE JIGOKU!!
F
Jeez why does he use so many dark thunders?? He doesn't do that when I turn dark soul
DatBoi SmiddyPants Because he spams the chips you have used. So if you only used Dark Thunder he will only spam Dark Thunder.
Yeah me too i always had thought about that shit too but after i use dark thunder he only fire a normal shot of Mega buster
@@kaeru7655 late comment but the way the spam works is its the TOTAL number of dark chips youve used in the entire game up until that point, not just in that specific battle. meaning, if youve only used 3 dark thunders across the entire story up until that fight when dark soul was used, then dark soul can only use 3 dark thunders in battle. but what Midnite did was hack his game in order to spam dark chips since the tutorial. so by the time he had reached these end game bosses, he had used dozens upon dozens of dark chips (big noise and dark thunder specifically) giving dark soul unfathomable spamming power.
Embrace the power of the dark side
This is MADNESS!!!
No....
THIS
IS
DARK SOUL!!!!!
They really gave you no good reason to not use dark chips except
"But they'll drain your base hp"
And that was enough to scare nearly everyone to not use it!
When you realize that if the Dark ending was actually canon in the Battle Network series...Things would have been FAR different in 5 and 6. Since Megaman's soul was consumed by the Dark Chip, he ran amok...and Lan followed him down that dark road...hurting his friends...his family...his own world would be turned upside down as he became the very thing him and Megaman wanted to stop: a villain...a *monster.* Yet Lan was powerless to stop it. Because without his friends to help him, he was a slave to the power. (Can you imagine if someone made a fangame of BN where Lan and Hub ended up becoming the bad guys because of the Dark Chip?)
Yeah, nah. Duo would have destroyed earth before that
This is the rawest manifestation of "why vote for the lesser evil?"
What people who hate BugDeathThunder in BN6 PvP describe it like
i really dont like using dark megaman mostly because of the 1 hp loss, and theres no guarntee that one of the 3 dark chips will show up, and if it doesnt and youve used it alot your screwed
HP+ Navi Cust Parts boy!
And for Dark MegaMan the Dark Chips always appear starting on the 2nd Turn.
But then again you lack the skills and knowledge to use him right.
La FBK Hope Ikr
@@lafbkhope5391 I had no real idea how Dark Megaman worked in BN4, I just used the Dark Chips for kicks and dealt with the HP loss with HP+100. I was VERY surprised when Protoman suddenly went from kicking my ass because I swear he was reading my input and blocking everything to being the one curbstomped. That convinced me to learn how to use DarkSoul properly.
Fighting with a dark soul to such happy music 😂
Truly insane
"I see no God of Darkness here...
O T H E R T H A N M E" - Rockman.exe proably
Great content. It's nice to watch it in different ways
3:16
OH MY GOD
WHAT THE SHIT ARE THOSE ?
I wanna do this in the legacy collection
*is dark mega man*
*unfitting hero theme plays*
He's not alone(Except for when he is💀)!
The last battle was so electrifying :v
HOW ARE YOU NOT DEAD?
If this is at all like 4's Dark Soul, when Megaman should be killed, he can instead hang on with 1HP like if you had an UnderShirt on a would-be-killing blow, and then the Dark Soul AI takes over to move and use chips. All you can do at that time is use the chips you selected with your own timing to assist the AI, but as a trade-off DarkSoul Megaman is invincible until you're back in control. DarkInvis seems to re-activate the AI control.
The one drawback is that you can't use the Boktai battlechips when you're Dark, they just puff like an incorrectly used Attack+ chip. At least, in 4.
D A R K N E S S
At the end it just looks like a glowing white mega man..?
Xavier V no,that's because the effect of Dark soul is fading away. Though you still can use Dark soul.
What's the theme song called? It really sounds dope
Gameplayer360 Mmbn5 Hero theme
You’d think Hub was Liono.
Dude just kept saying thunder lol
Dark Chips will reduce your health to almost 1, but you can avoid that by using Dark Recovery
Wait, if this works for chaos unison too. That means every failed chaos soul charge shot will result in an DS that spams u with dark thunder and big noise beiny spawned isn't it.....
Being dark to beat dark.
Sweet gameplay man
Wait how did he fight multiple dark mega’s?! Is this a mod or something?
In BN4, evil chips that are attempted to be used poof out but still count as being a used chip and MegaMan DS can use it. Is it the same for BN5(With dark chips also disappearing if Light Karma Mega uses it in PVP)?
Awesome 😎 👏
how do you get the multi-megaman fight?
Modding.
*B I G N O I S E*
How did you manage to use Dark Chips against Nebula Grey? When I use Dark Invisible it will turn into a smoke.
La FBK Hope This particular battle was hacked to show how the fight might go, so the chip wouldn't "poof".
MidniteWv4 How did you hacked it?
MidniteWv4 Well then. I made a Dark Chip harmless hack and I somehow made Dark Invisible super OP. It can spam Dark Invisble xD
I really must know how you are able to make a DarkInvisible that can spam itself.
Xanaguy The Legend DarkInvisible had a programmed bug and some of the attacks locked.
And since I have copied the chip and the replaced the other there wasn't any locked attacks and bug.
Kinda hard to explain but in short you can't copy the bugs and locks along with the chip.
You will get the chip itself.
So wait there’s a dark cross?!! what does megaman transform to make him even more purple and at 1 HP?
Dark Megaman is a mechanic of Battle Network 4 and 5. Using dark chips makes him turn into dark form.
If you "die" while dark, you instead become invincible for a while, but you lose control of Megaman. The game will have him instead randomly attack with the most common battle chips you have used on the save file.
But, if you have only used a few chips, dark Megaman will spam them, as the video shows.
@@DarkonFullPower i meant the part in 1:41 where he went double soul dark megaman
edit: oh i see he died and it made him rampage okay.
0:00 bgm好き
Isnt better to just use Shadowman chaosunion? What about only using DarkCirc/Area Grab/ Big Noise, would that be a good combo for the dark soul? Can this exploit be used on mmbn4?
Eh. Dark Thunder works better because it deals a nice damage, follows the enemy and paralyzes them.
Dark CircleGun causes flinching and it prevents it to deal that insane damage spam.
Its best to just use the big noise pa. It deals the most damage and pierces invis...so you win pretty much every netbattle.
if bass has float shoes and air shoes, how does geddon2 lock him to a single panel?
He doesn't have air shoes
Hey, I know I'm late in the game but could you give me a list of chips that the AI won't use that I could add to the folder?
and that's why I wanted to beat nebula without the darlk power on my first try
So wait how is this possible? I've never seen anything like this before...
you only spam these chip and rely on buster for normal fight
i play MMBN4 Red Sun and Blue moon and in an accident i attivate more dark chips and now my megaman are the armor black and put these scary faces that appears at the start of your video; what i have to do to reverse the evil form to the normal form?
4 months but ignore dark chips and you should be fine after several battles, do not use evil power anymore.
@@hikaritran6477 although he lose 1 HP so his HP will not be looking pretty after this lol
Man!!! I know this is hacked. When I tried it without hack, it did spam Dark Thunder and Big Noise. (plus Recover 300, Dark Meteors, Life Sword, Wild Swallow, and mostly Invisible...)
Reynald San Ramon It's not hacked. Dark MegaMan spams the chips you have used.
You must only use Dark Thunder and Big Noise if you want him to only spam these 2 chips.
I called it hack because of the Nebula Gray fight. Normally, you can't activate Dark Invis or any dark chips even being a Dark Rockman user because it will turn into smoke. (Unless you know the only way to activate those dark chips, ChaosUnison.)
Reynald San Ramon Ah well that's simple. It wasn't hacked, he just edited the offset values in the game to change the music, background and boss.
Maybe I shouldn't have explained it..
I was only pointing at the Nebula Gray fight. I read your comment from 7 months ago...
("How did you manage to use Dark Chips against Nebula Grey? When I use Dark Invisible it will turn into a smoke.")
Oh... Modded.... ... ...
Wait, you have to use the chips you used, or you have to use only darkchips?
+RinuxGaming I only used those 2 chips before these battles.
What 2 chips? Fast gauge and instant gauge?
+RinuxGaming DarkThunder and BigNoise.
So you have to only use Dark thunder and Bignoise until you reach Darksoul? I want to know how you lock the ai into spamming those
+RinuxGaming Those were the only chips I used from tutorial up to that point of the game where I was able to hack in the fights. This is easier to do if you use Mod Cards chargeshot like BassCross or something, since they do not count toward chip count and do good damage.
your HP has no. 4 in it aka number of misfortune XD
@Path Master *Guido Mista would like to know your location.*
Omg is basic god mode with only one hp damn that is amazing
ok this is illegal.
where did those Big noise come from?
So much Dark Thunder that the game actually lags though??
What is the chip list?
oh wow
damm he one shotted him with bug charge
Wait is quad dark megaman omega a actual thing?
keybladerider1 No, it was obviously hacked in.
keybladerider1 Nope.
Hacks bro.Hacks.
その暗黒バトルでそのBGM使うのやめろwww
Hey I need u that explain me and how use the static chip or Noise storm chip please
Static behaves similar to Tornado, but won't suck up a panel off the ground for extra damage, instead its range expands based on how many Bugs MegaMan is suffering, this includes both NaviCust bugs and ones inflicted by enemy chips or DarkChips, in BN5 its also Evil locked, so you must have tainted or worse Karma, and it paralyzes targets who have Super Armor, in BN6 it has neither of those behaviors, and just expands based on bug count
Cloudmonkey Could you explain to me how the Bug Charge battlechip works? I never use it so all in my head was question marks
It fires more Gospel Heads the longer its sat in your Custom Window in terms of turns
Cloudmonkey Oh.Thanks for the info!
Cloudmonkey that battlechip seems so op
tanto para esa mierdita? xD 4:30
parece que si XD
Who put recovery 10 in their folder..
ayo what is this fire song called?
It’s from this game only: “Your’e Not Alone!”
What is the song name ?
Is it possible to do this ?
Lol its said BN 6 on Desc
DrkSwrd...Nope ;v
How do I attain this power ?
Use dark chips in battle network 5 and 4 then get to 1 hp
#MegamanandprotomanvslessermanAMV
This is why I don't use dark soul, ever.
@@joys8634
Nah it sucks...you get the same effect with dark shadow chaos.
Eh, I was more a sol chipfolder user on both ds and gba. It was just more fun for me. Plus the one time my buddy pvped me his dark folder got demolished by my light. (Im very heavy on defense &prog. Advance)
No damage how
bass has cloth
3:24
4 dark rockman fans vs 1 D A R K M E G A enjoyer
(Ik they are the same, but i dont have any other joke, so, oopsies)
0:00
that almost a cheat
Finally. Cannon *.
3:14 todos ustedes contra mi
More like Wrath of Dark Thunder
What in the world am i seeing...
Bass without his 300 shield is not bass. Y'all don't show that online
can someone wxplain to me why megaman not damaged by nebula grey's attack when his HP reduce to 1 ???
Anderi Kurniawan If you turn into DarkSoul you'll be invinsible. For example, if your enemy use Dark battlechip,they will turn DarkMega,but when they got hit,their health will go down 1 and turns into Dark Soul and invinsible.the only way to defeat it is use a battle chip / Program Advance that would delete them.
Program Advance Pile Driver may works against DarkSoul.
literally so many mods/hacks lol
Cheat?
reading descripton first?
So, the DS port sucks ass, since they remove the fun out of it.
too much Para
Elec element is bad