I was surprised that actually Admiral Yamamoto did tell Nagumo to have portions of his airplanes armed with torpedoes in case U.S. ships were sighted just like in the movie.
Notice the similarly of the consequences of a one-off Doolittle Raid and Battle of Britain where one Luftwaffe bomber accidentally dropped bombs on London. The Japanese made a fatal decision to attack Midway, and the German lost their initiative of destroying RAF airfields handing them a much needed relief, as Churchill retaliated by bombing Berlin while Hitler switched to bombing London in revenge.
@@winestu5322 a wise observation, in reality Nagumo never had the aircraft numbers needed for a dual mission. He couldn' t be expected to idle half his airgroup during active operations...
If what was known about the battle from the Japanese point of view is that they thought the Americans would never realize their plans that they were planning on attacking Midway until it was too late. Combined with the lack of communications between ships it was truly a mess
It would be a logistical nightmare for the Japanese, but the true goal of the Midway Plan is to destroy the Remaining Carriers of the US Pacific Fleet but in a year or so the US will retake Midway eventually..
With the Japanese code broken the operation had very little chance of success. Yamamoto knew the whole war strategy was going to fail, the only chance of success was for the US to suffer defeats so severe they would sue for peace which wasn't going to happen
1) USN didnt have to be drawn out, they wanted to fight 2) IJA wanted nothing to do with a hawaiian invasion, they were stuck in the china quagmire 3) capturing midway was useless...they had to get it supplies which wasnt easy as the merchant fleet was over stretched anyway 4) what they gonna bring back from midway? coconuts? all that way and come home empty..wasted fuel and time
Japan always had a hard on for obtaining decisive open engagements with the US Navy since Pearl Habor until the end of WW2. Midway was the first one they so seeked. They couldn’t play the long game of waiting for decisive naval engagements with the US, especially they needed ones that resulted in total destructions of US fleets. They became so fixated on it and it backfired
Its the old Jomini v Clausewitz debate, also seen in the American Civil War. The "Decisive Battle" will shatter the enemy and lead to victory (think napoleon) versus the "bleed them dry by using your superior logistics, command, pressure, and resources; and don't let the enemy do the same to you" (think Grant)
Buffer Base..... BUT...impossible to resupply SO CLOSE to Hawaii. If the Japanese had taken it, they would have lost countless ships of all types to US subs that would have encircled Midway. (I personally think we should have considered a Submarine Warfare Only strategy...and simply, eventually, starved Japan. It would have taken a few more years, but no island hopping slaughters.)
It was one of those plans where EVERYTHING had to go right, while one hiccup doomed it. This was just a logistics mess with too dispersed groups and competing agendas.
History Buffs has a good analysis on midway movie, the recent one by Emmmerich. Worth watching Nagumo had too much to do, he was a too careful Admiral and having that much to do doomed him.
One would think that after Pearl Harbor Attack, where Nagumo was too timid.... he would not have been the best guy to command when so much was at stake in making sure the US carriers were located and destroyed.
There are wonderful things about this movie. And like any historical movie there are lousy things too. Yamamoto is portrayed as a strong silent icon, able to deal with any adversity, and I think this unfair to the man Isoroku Yamamoto was. The portrayal seems like it was 'written by monument, not a diary'. Some of the CGI is truly awful, even for the standards of 2010. But, in fairness, some of the CGI in 2019's 'Midway' is equally bad. I think that Yamamoto [2011] and Midway [2019] give accurate portrayals of the mood of the forces involved and the 'state of the war' in May and June 1942. As such, I think they ought to be considered required viewing by any historian or reenactor interested in the Pacific War. But, I would caution that much of what the film says about its principal subject is, to be blunt, propaganda. We learn very little about Yamamoto the man from it.
Once their sub report came in on American carriers communications and heading their way they would have dropped attacking Midway with carriers and concentrate on American carriers. Let the battleships with invasion fleet attack Midway! Once again Japans communications failed while Yamamoto got the message Nagumo did not! America had figured out enough of their code to know Midway was the target!
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The problem for Admiral Yamamoto was not that he had to fight the American Navy, he also had to fight the Imperial Japanese Army.
I like the way Nagumo lies to his face.
If anyone wants to know more, "Shattered Sword" is a phenomenal book on the Imperial Japanese Navy and its downfall
Maybe one of the best books about Midway
I was surprised that actually Admiral Yamamoto did tell Nagumo to have portions of his airplanes armed with torpedoes in case U.S. ships were sighted just like in the movie.
実際は渡辺参謀の口頭で言った事。
Notice the similarly of the consequences of a one-off Doolittle Raid and Battle of Britain where one Luftwaffe bomber accidentally dropped bombs on London. The Japanese made a fatal decision to attack Midway, and the German lost their initiative of destroying RAF airfields handing them a much needed relief, as Churchill retaliated by bombing Berlin while Hitler switched to bombing London in revenge.
Neither of them were airmen.
@@winestu5322 a wise observation, in reality Nagumo never had the aircraft numbers needed for a dual mission. He couldn' t be expected to idle half his airgroup during active operations...
If what was known about the battle from the Japanese point of view is that they thought the Americans would never realize their plans that they were planning on attacking Midway until it was too late. Combined with the lack of communications between ships it was truly a mess
I'm no military strategies but how did the Japanese expect to resupply the midway islands thousands of miles from Japan, if they did capture them?
It would be a logistical nightmare for the Japanese, but the true goal of the Midway Plan is to destroy the Remaining Carriers of the US Pacific Fleet but in a year or so the US will retake Midway eventually..
With the Japanese code broken the operation had very little chance of success. Yamamoto knew the whole war strategy was going to fail, the only chance of success was for the US to suffer defeats so severe they would sue for peace which wasn't going to happen
1) USN didnt have to be drawn out, they wanted to fight 2) IJA wanted nothing to do with a hawaiian invasion, they were stuck in the china quagmire 3) capturing midway was useless...they had to get it supplies which wasnt easy as the merchant fleet was over stretched anyway 4) what they gonna bring back from midway? coconuts? all that way and come home empty..wasted fuel and time
Japan always had a hard on for obtaining decisive open engagements with the US Navy since Pearl Habor until the end of WW2. Midway was the first one they so seeked. They couldn’t play the long game of waiting for decisive naval engagements with the US, especially they needed ones that resulted in total destructions of US fleets. They became so fixated on it and it backfired
hat Drachinifel's video on Kantai Kessen and that will help explain the decision making logic by the IJN.
Its the old Jomini v Clausewitz debate, also seen in the American Civil War. The "Decisive Battle" will shatter the enemy and lead to victory (think napoleon) versus the "bleed them dry by using your superior logistics, command, pressure, and resources; and don't let the enemy do the same to you" (think Grant)
Buffer Base..... BUT...impossible to resupply SO CLOSE to Hawaii. If the Japanese had taken it, they would have lost countless ships of all types to US subs that would have encircled Midway. (I personally think we should have considered a Submarine Warfare Only strategy...and simply, eventually, starved Japan. It would have taken a few more years, but no island hopping slaughters.)
It was one of those plans where EVERYTHING had to go right, while one hiccup doomed it. This was just a logistics mess with too dispersed groups and competing agendas.
Very good movie well done. One error is that the zero fighters do not carry torpedo's.
零戦は魚雷なんて運べないよ
They were drop tanks additional fuel to extend their range
全て暗号が解読されていた
History Buffs has a good analysis on midway movie, the recent one by Emmmerich. Worth watching
Nagumo had too much to do, he was a too careful Admiral and having that much to do doomed him.
One would think that after Pearl Harbor Attack, where Nagumo was too timid.... he would not have been the best guy to command when so much was at stake in making sure the US carriers were located and destroyed.
There are wonderful things about this movie. And like any historical movie there are lousy things too.
Yamamoto is portrayed as a strong silent icon, able to deal with any adversity, and I think this unfair to the man Isoroku Yamamoto was. The portrayal seems like it was 'written by monument, not a diary'.
Some of the CGI is truly awful, even for the standards of 2010. But, in fairness, some of the CGI in 2019's 'Midway' is equally bad.
I think that Yamamoto [2011] and Midway [2019] give accurate portrayals of the mood of the forces involved and the 'state of the war' in May and June 1942. As such, I think they ought to be considered required viewing by any historian or reenactor interested in the Pacific War. But, I would caution that much of what the film says about its principal subject is, to be blunt, propaganda. We learn very little about Yamamoto the man from it.
ミッドウェー島を占領し不沈空母として運用して米機動部隊を迎え撃つ、
と考えると永野の命令を忠実に守ろうとした南雲は間違っていない。臨機応変さと融通は利かないが。
この作戦の正式名称が「ミッドウェー島攻略作戦」であるということを考えると、
機動部隊ではなく戦艦部隊と攻略部隊が前衛なのが適当だったと思う。
元陸将の分析やな
Once their sub report came in on American carriers communications and heading their way they would have dropped attacking Midway with carriers and concentrate on American carriers. Let the battleships with invasion fleet attack Midway! Once again Japans communications failed while Yamamoto got the message Nagumo did not! America had figured out enough of their code to know Midway was the target!
also the comms were working correctly
宇垣よ
こんなことを新聞記者が下馬評していいのかね？こりゃ、軍事機密ですよ。
bombs away LeMay
一概に「誰が悪い」とはなかなか言えないんだよね。表面的には敵空母が見つかったのに兵装転換したりマゴマゴ第二次攻撃隊を出さなかった南雲司令部の問題のように見えるのだが、山本五十六らの作戦自体が「ミッドウェー島を攻略した上でハワイからの敵空母を迎え撃つ」という想定で「ミッドウェーで敵空母が既に待ち構えている」ことは想定していなかった。空母が見つかった時点で作戦が破綻しており、その点では作戦を立てた山本五十六らにも責任がある。
空でもいいからもう一隻用意しとけよ
そんな余裕が日本にあればよかったのですが､実際はなかったみたいです…